Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos, I am Dana Valley coming
at you with this certified fantabulous co host of mine,
mister Grant cues we are here to react to the
twenty twenty five NBA Draft, the first round, since it's
a two day draft now.
Speaker 2: But there's a twist.
Speaker 1: Anyone who watched it last year knows that Grant, being
the dedicated podcast co host that he is, did not
pay attention to the first round. He has no idea
what happened. He did not follow it, wasn't tracking it
on social media. A lot easier this year with Sean's
not being allowed to fire off picks like eight selections
in advance, so he's just going to be We'll go
through like maybe the top ten or so selections. He
might try to guess who it was, but we just
get to see his reaction happening to any transactions live.
Also throughout the process, we have lots of trades to
catch up on. I know Blazers fans were clamoring to
hear us talk about the Nie Simon's Drew holiday trade.
Speaker 2: That will be folded into this as well.
Speaker 1: We have a lot to get to so we won't
waste too much of the time. But grant first and
most importantly foremost, and no pressure. But you're gonna need
to ramble a little bit to the kids so I
can go promote this on social media.
Speaker 2: How the heck are you?
Speaker 3: I am yours truly in ignorance because and also like, so, yeah,
this is we have a lot to get to. It's
a very exciting show. But like, also this is kind
of just a bit that we I don't know why
we decided to do it starting last year, but I
thought it was kind of fun. And it also like
is a pretty thinly veiled excuse for our dynamic to
play out in a specific situation, because like, I feel
like it's pretty often that you're sort of explaining to
me what's happening in the world, especially like as it
relates to what's happening online, and there will be a
lot of that. There will be memes I don't understand
that you'll have to explain to me, and I mean
more directly, for what our audience would care about. I
don't know who picked who, I don't know about any
trades that may or may not have happened. I'll constantly
be trying to read your face to see how close
I am to guessing something correctly. So that'll be fun
at least for me. Like and then also, as is
also in keeping with our general dynamic, You've done a
lot of prep and work and I just sort of
showed up, and you know, thanks for that. But at
some point things will even out, I guess. But that's
a long winded answer just to say that I'm excited
to be here, excited to talk about the draft, excited
to learn actually what happened in the draft.
Speaker 1: So I just before we get started, I want one
prediction from you, and it could be even a yes
or no. Okay, do you think that this kept in
theme with Shams's prediction that we were headed for the
most craziest offseason in NBA history?
Speaker 3: I think I think most crazy easiest is like a
double superlative. I'm not ready to say this draft got there,
maybe like most crazier. So it's like that's like seventy
five percent of a double superlative or something, right, I
don't know it. Uh, it'll be crazy, uh, and it'll
all be news to me.
Speaker 1: Most importantly, Well, we're gonna let you guess, so before
I throw up the number one pick on the screen,
and this is a tough one. Yeah, the Dallas Matters
had the number one pick. Do you one think they
made it?
Speaker 2: And two? Who do you think that they took with
said pick?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so, uh, I'm gonna go ahead and
get out on this, limon say they did keep it
and they did select Cooper Flag. Feel strongly about that.
Speaker 1: You are such a soothsayer there, they took Cooper Flag.
Don't do you have any thoughts about this? Like this
is a pretty risky pick. I don't know that he
was the consensus favorite.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, but he's a
better person than player and uh he works incredibly hard.
Uh yeah, I mean I don't know. Like you told
me before we started recording that they did take the
full five minutes to make this pick. And it's just
like what are we doing? Can we could they have
just like mailed like snail mailed it in you know,
three months like once they won the lottery.
Speaker 1: Well, as you kind of pointed out, like they were
trying to get that sweet sweet ad revenue and or
maybe they were trying to figure out how to screw
up their cap sheet even.
Speaker 2: Further, who knows what they're like, what they were trying
to do there.
Speaker 1: This is I'm so fascinated to see what this team
becomes with him, though, just because you don't have Kyrie there,
who just signed his deal three years, one twenty million,
and they were involved, I can confirm in the Drew
Holiday sweepstakes. And not only were they involved Grant, but
the package of PJ. Washington and Daniel Gafford for Drew
Holliday had been bandied about. That's the exact package that
we talked about. I think they're probably smart not to
make that trade, but it does seem like they're gonna
need to get another ball handler, and if they don't,
it's gonna be trial by fire for Cooper Flag And
I was impressed with the film I saw of him,
of his playmaking out of ball screens, even from the post.
I just don't know if it's at like NBA speed yet,
but I guess you might as well learn. It's just
they seem committed to this window timeline and he's the
most important player in the building moving forward, though, so
I don't have I don't make no mistake. I think
they should have kept the pick. I think they should
have drafted him. I'm just so interested to see how
this all comes together, and please, oh please, can we
get some shooting on this team?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would just expect him to be
purely additive dud just whatever the role. Like I really
don't imagine that they're gonna put the ball in his
hands a ton and be like make the offense go,
Like I just like that's not right, Like there's no
way he's like bringing it up every time and is
like you're running pick and rolls. I don't know, like
thirty times a game, Like I don't, I don't see that.
I think they'll ease him in to maybe more of
a playmaking role, but like you could just throw you
go go find a stop gap free agent point guard
to to do that kind of stuff, and like you'll
see his playmaking manifest like when we talk to to
wass Of, just like he's gonna make the connective passes,
he's gonna make the easy reads, he's gonna like he's
gonna do all the stuff you would expect the player
at that position to do, and then anything beyond that
is just like that'll develop. But there's no way he's
just running the offense. I can't imagine that. I know
that's not what you're saying, but but yeah, like maybe
he'll be overstretched a little bit, but I'm not worried
about him.
Speaker 2: Do you want to take a guess at who is
the number two pick?
Speaker 3: Well, this was as big a lock as in, I mean,
as short of Cooper Flag, this has to be Dylan
Harper to the Spurs. And they kept the pick because
that was the signaling all along.
Speaker 2: Look at you two for two thousand times.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 2: This is another.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be interested in all these teams,
but I want to see how they tie it together
with Dylan Harper, Dearon Fox, Stefan Castle. A lot of
people seem more optimistic because of what they believe Dylan
Harper can do off the ball. I still just think
there might be a push and pull between you have
three guys who all should get ample opportunities on the ball.
But you just look at this team from a talent
perspective right now, and it's just I don't it's a
weird mix of the have Wenby, they have Daron Fox,
they have Devin Vessel, Kelden Johnson, Harrit like they could
win now. But there's also just these two massive like
prospects in Steph Castle and Dylan Harper now on this team.
It's just it's it's a weird meld, but I'm excited
to see it in action.
Speaker 3: Do you think Dearon Fox is gonna get that the
max extension? Just like no questions asked? Is it like
four for two twenty nine or something like that? Do
you think that's just done?
Speaker 1: I think if he wanted it, he could get it.
I don't think he's going to take it, or maybe
they didn't want to give it to him. A kind
of part of the process of him coming over was
you're not gonna get this the full boat here?
Speaker 2: What do you think, I.
Speaker 3: Asked, because I would you don't want to play hardball?
And you do assume that, like there was some understanding,
uh when they brought him in, But like if it's
just because oh we have Castle, like that's not a
sufficient reason to say, like, oh, maybe we don't need
him that badly. But now that you have Harper, it's
kind of like, I mean, do we really want to
go full boat for a guy that's the speed bass
player at twenty eight? Like it's just I would it's
an interesting dynamic, I think beyond the on court stuff
of like how do you play all these guys together?
I think like financially you might be in a position
where you have to go to Fox and say like, hey,
look like soot so about that. I things have changed
a little bit. How about a two plus one at
like thirty five a year or something.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised at all if they kept this pick?
Speaker 1: I don't feel like it was really a shocker, especially
when Giannis kind of took himself off the market a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the I think it should have been
on the table if Yannis were available, and then that
just continues to not happen, and so yeah, it's been
a it's been several weeks. I feel like where they
just kind of were broadcasting we're going to keep this pick,
and then everybody agreed it was going to be Harper.
Speaker 1: Who do you think what number three? So seventy six
ers had this pick coming into the three after grand
did they keep it?
Speaker 2: What? So?
Speaker 3: I do? One? I do think they kept it. Two,
I do not think they took Ace Bailey, even like
there's been so much like back and forth about like
how how much stock are we gonna put in a
guy getting bad advice and not doing any workouts, and
like when's the last time a player like him just
didn't work out for anybody or didn't do meetings or
anything like that. So I think the Sixers decided that
it was not worth the upside being what it is,
like it's tantalizing. I don't think they picked Bailey, and
I guess even though I think it puts too many
guards maybe in the rotation, I think they kept the
pick and took edge Comb.
Speaker 1: Three for three for mister Grant Hughes, and I think
this was the I know you're worried about, like them
being too guard heavy. I just think this was the
right pick when you look at the defensive disruption couple
that I know a lot of people were kind of
concerned of what can he become offensively. If he's just
a play finisher who can make a shots from the perimeter,
that is perfect for a team that's built around Joelle
and b Paul George Tyres, Maxie, Quentin Grimes coming back
by the way, low key, we'll get into this train
in a little bit. But like Philly also kind of
picked up a w Terrence Mann going to Brooklyn. I
would think that makes it far less likely that Brooken
even thinks about throwing an offer sheet.
Speaker 2: Quentin Grimes his way.
Speaker 3: Interesting didn't think about that. So with Edgecomb, do you
think like the comps are kinda.
Speaker 2: I don't like the Ola Depot comps.
Speaker 1: I feel like it does him almost a not that
it doesn't him a disservice because Pete Oladipo was fantastic,
but I don't think it's just I think he could
be better, and more like I think he could do
a better job of guarding up defensively, ok, And I
just don't question offensively. I just like Victor Oldipo could
hit some like ridiculously difficult shots on the ball, and
maybe Edgecombe progresses into that, but he kind of feels
more of just like use him in the Trey Murphy
vein on offense or just someone along those lines. But
maybe I'm again maybe I'm wrong there.
Speaker 3: And also like I mean, Jared McCain was the most
impressive rookie for a fraction of a season in which
we all agreed the rookies weren't good, and it's so
it's like, how big of the deal is that if
Jared McCain is your third guard now? And I guess
I don't know where he'd be if Grimes is back
to I get I The only the only thing that
gives me a little pause is like, is Edgecomb? If
Edgecomb can guard up then plays plays more like he's
a six to seven guy, then I'm like, I have
no issues with this. I mean other than like, yes,
he needs to develop as a shooter and all that stuff. Okay,
I'm just mostly I'm just high on me because I
got come on pretty good.
Speaker 2: Getting high on your own pretty good.
Speaker 3: So I really I think I'm gonna mess it up
because I've been thinking about the next pick, and.
Speaker 1: Number four is the Charlotte Hornets. Who do you think
they took?
Speaker 3: So this becomes the question of how far is Bailey
gonna fall? And so as I was thinking about this,
I I I feel like Bailey and Brandon Miller are
slightly duplicative, and I'm really working hard to talk myself
out of Bailey there. And I also think, again, if
you have any concerns like Charlotte is kind of conducting
itself like a pretty like sober, serious, practical organization. You
already have LaMelo Ball, who I think like it gets
a bad rap and we overblow, like the silliness and
the unseriousness. But if that's even like a tiny concern.
I also, I don't think you add Ace Bailey to
that mix, so it's not Bailey here. Then the question
is do they go malawatch, which feels like a reach,
or do they go like who's then is who then?
Is your best player available? I don't think it's Tray Johnson.
I'm trying to read your face too as I says,
I don't think it's Tray Johnson. I don't think it's
malowatch because that's just really high to take him. I
guess I'm also saying Charlotte kept this pick and didn't
trade it. Am I right about that? Charlotte does make
this pick. Charlotte makes this pick. Okay, this is uh,
this is Conkin.
Speaker 2: Nipple four for four? Are you cheating, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm not cheating. I'm not cheating like I think that.
I think that's what a smart sober organization does, and
that's what Charlotte is.
Speaker 1: Now apparently he was the continent hippill ended up being
like way higher on people's just like big boards than
I ever expected. Like he was in the top five
of almost everyone's big boards. And I think putting him
in Charlotte, where LaMelo one of the I mean, look,
LaMelo has his flaws, and I realize that I've kind of,
like you know, defended him more more than most. I'll say,
but you need to surround him with actual complimentary talent.
And I think that giving him a shooter like this,
the likes of which he's never played with before. And
you kind of dig into the data, it's like Grant
his teammates catch and shoot three point shooting the past
three years. These are the percent tiles his teammates have
ranked in twenty three through twenty twenty five. Twenty twenty three,
the first percentile, twenty four, the fifteenth percentile. This past year,
the thirtieth percentile.
Speaker 2: Conk Nipple comes in.
Speaker 1: As immediately like what at least the seventy fifth percentile
of the type of shooter there.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see these two play together.
Speaker 1: And I'm with you on Charlotte between them and just
the Wizards too, And we're gonna talk about them in
a little bit. I don't think people understand like how
good of a job they're actually doing. In Charlotte, there's
a lot of like block contracts and like they do
do they have the guy on the roster? How do
you feel about Brandon Miller? The t John Salon pic
doesn't look great. But I can't I don't want to
spoil anything else because we got to talk about Charlotte
actually in a little bit oh interestingly, But I love
this pick for Fit. It's just I had wondered if
he would have been the best player available. I think
you can easily make the case because from what I
did have watched of Conkin Nipple, He's builds like this shooter,
this motion shooter, and there's like there's more there. You
can do some stuff off ball screens, there's a driving game.
I think he needs some more directionality to it. He
plays a little bit more physical. I love this pick
for Charlotte.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like it. I mean I like it
for mainly because I was right about it.
Speaker 2: Uh, four for four.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you started off last year, Mellos,
Go check and see what he was. Although we do
have by the way, someone proposed, I laughed I sat
of the comments that we now call our.
Speaker 2: Subscribers and listeners hard woodies. That's some sicko ship.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't hate it. Uh. I didn't even
think about the the the LaMelo like three point set
up stuff when it came to Canipple. That's like as
good an argument as anything Dan, Danny Min's and your
I am a hard woody. We see you, You're you're seen.
Speaker 2: You have an excellent first name.
Speaker 3: To sir, do you feel have you ever been to Danny?
Speaker 2: Uh? My sister, My sisters call me, that is, they
used to.
Speaker 1: They used to call me when I was younger because
I was a little on the poor here side. Danny
devours desserts triple D.
Speaker 2: So that's what I was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well, Guy Fierre's gonna be mad at you
because that's Diner's drive ins and dives. So I you
can't call yourself.
Speaker 1: Whe do you think he got that idea from? Because
I I predate right, how long is Diner's drive?
Speaker 3: You must you must.
Speaker 1: I would just like to point out that this is
clearly a tangent, but I did find a way to
bring it back to the hornets. I of course found
a way to make the number four pick about LaMelo Ball.
Speaker 2: That is the for me.
Speaker 3: Well what else are you gonna talk about? Okay?
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 3: So the fifth pick is Utah. And now the question
again is how far is like Bailey is like the
most intriguing figure in this draft. I'm tempted to send
him to Utah just because that makes the least sense.
And I never once thought about him going to Utah
at all. But then he didn't work out for anybody.
But who was I think like Brooklyn. If he was
steering himself anywhere, was Brooklyn and that's like a long
way away, it would be kind of a flex it was.
Speaker 1: I can tell you the two teams he was trying
to get to were Washington in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: Okay, and that's six and eight. He's not going. I
have a strong feeling about seven that I've been on
for a long time. It's he's Ace. Bailey is not
going to the Pelicans at seven. Why would the Jazz? Well, okay,
let's make the case for Utah. Uh, they have no cornerstones.
They need the highest upside players they can get, because
that's what they don't have. Bailey would fit that bill.
But that seems like such a like a risky thing
to do. I wouldn't hate it. And then who else
is here? Trey Johnson is like the next highest guy
on the draft board. I don't like, They're not going
Murray Boyles, not going Queen, They're not going to malawatch Man.
Does Utah take Ace Bailey?
Speaker 2: Dan?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to read your face.
Speaker 2: You know they have to. I can't tell you until
you lock it?
Speaker 3: Have you?
Speaker 2: Like you've named like eight different people pick one?
Speaker 3: Okay, uh, I just why would they take Johnson? Why
would they they are not gonna take malwatch who.
Speaker 1: I do find it funny that you I do find
it funny that you think Utah has the level of
prospects to where they have to look at these guys
and say, oh, we can't take Trey Johnson because of
who who on the ro Because.
Speaker 3: Because Trey Johnson I don't think is regarded by anybody
is like could be a superstar, right Like, I don't know,
maybe I'm misreading that, and I think Bailey is the
only guy left that is just like, oh, someone BJ
says Grant is correct? What does that mean? I've said
so many things? Okay, Ace Bailey to the Jazz because.
Speaker 2: Why not lock it in five for five.
Speaker 1: We need to turn off the comments section next time
you are five.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I wouldn't have done it if he
hadn't said that. Oh that's an asterisk. Why did they
do that?
Speaker 2: Why did they do that?
Speaker 1: Because he was I think clearly the most talented play
in the draft for that, because it's the cornerstone play.
Speaker 3: Right again, I don't hate it.
Speaker 1: And as by the way they bj pointed out in
the chat as well, but like they he wants the
ball in his hands because that's why he was trying
to steer himself too. Maybe he doesn't want to live
in Utah. I get preferring Brooklyn or Washington. Okay, sure
this is the team that First of all, they have
no wings aside from Cody Williams, so you're guaranteed playing
minutes off rip. And yeah, you could say, oh they
have Keyante George and Isaiah Collier. There's no one on
this team who's going to actually take the ball out
of Ace Bailey's hands, like more than as like unreasonable,
like Larry Market is more of a play finisher, and
I think look between having Kessler behind you, Larry Market
in spacing and movement. If they could just get like
another shooter in here, like he would be insulated pretty
well to be in an environment I think where he
could develop his offensive tools quite nicely right off the
bat that I get.
Speaker 3: I see it, Yeah, I could see it. I wonder
how he feels about it, But I could see it
from Utah's perspective, just like we we gotta we don't
have a guy. We don't have the guy. We don't
have anybody that like projects as as the guy, and
that's a huge problem three years into a rebuild. I yeah,
I get it from their perspective. I just like, yeah, no,
it makes it. I'm still surprised. I like, I just
I just ran out of other ideas, Like I'll be
fascinated to see, like what his role is if he
does get to go there and be someone that's on
the ball constantly and like he seems to want to be.
It's it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Do you want to take a step at number six? Now?
Speaker 3: Who's got six?
Speaker 2: The Wizards? Who's got six? Did you pay attention to
the draft at all?
Speaker 3: No, let's see.
Speaker 2: You need it.
Speaker 1: You can't look at the comments anymore. We are people
spoiling picks that are okay, we're going to talk about
all the picks. But Grant can't look at the you
just showed them on stage.
Speaker 3: You just don't don't.
Speaker 2: Click on the comments tab, that's all you.
Speaker 3: I got my hand up right now. I can't see
the comments.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I keep saying, Trey Johnson, that's well, they wouldn't take fears.
Fear Fears is going to the Pelicans at seven. I
feel very confident about that, have for a long time.
I'll guess that they reached on Colin Murray Boyles just
because they don't have a defensive guy like that. We
locking it in, Yeah, we're locking it in. Final answer, Eh.
Speaker 2: That's your first mess. Good run though, five of five.
Speaker 3: Dumb guess Why did I guess that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's all right, Johns.
Speaker 1: This is we all know that I wasn't like the
biggest Trey Johnson fan, but like, this is such a
good landing spot for him because they have so many
just shoot the ball, like and you got rid of
Jordan Poole and you have like high character vets there
and we'll see how long they stay. But like McCollum
and Middleton and even Marcus Smart. So it's just like
and there's also the guys around him. When you look
at sar Kola Bali, Bob Carrington, Keyshawn George, they're all
very plug and play, and I think like his you
put his shooting in here, that opens up stuff for
Sar bub Carrington if you want him to get a
little extra room pressure or do more damage inside the
arc A Kolabali of course, I was not a big
Tray Johnson guy. But aside from reaching on like you
know him in love with Carter Bryant and Colin Murray,
boyles like this is I actually think that this is
a really good pick. By what it just makes so
much sense for the roster.
Speaker 3: It is it it is, and it does. And I
overthought that why, like why yeah, just he they don't
have this guy. They have guys that we like kulibally
that we hope will be good enough shooter like this
he just comes in with like a carrying skill.
Speaker 1: Is there any of all the guys they've drafted now,
don't they just have like their primary picks? I mean,
like do they just have a five man lineup in
theory where it's Keishawn George Kulibali saw Carrington.
Speaker 2: And Trey Johnson kind of there, and they're not even small.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's trade, he's trade the smallest of that
maybe bubb Is I can't like, but they're all around
the six five sixty six area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the positional size. And if there's any Johnson can
really be a plus shooter, which like all, there's no
If there's questions about him, it's not will he make
open shots? Right like, so at least in theory, he'll
just do that. Okay, I'm a well upset that was
I should I don't know why I overthought that one. Okay, so, uh,
the New Orleans Pelicans are taking I predicted that fears
would not fall lower than seven. Uh, even with Jordan
Poole there. Now, I just like they they I've just
had locked in fears to the Pelicans.
Speaker 1: You six or seven's not bad for you, Gret, I'll
take it. I mean, that's actually really good.
Speaker 3: That's the least surprise. I mean other thing Flag and
Harper like that. I just I don't know why I
just got locked into that one.
Speaker 1: What is What are your thoughts on you had some
pretty strong thought or not strong, but you were hesitant. Yeah,
you had concerns about Jeremiah Fears when we were doing
our draft prep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the the smaller guard with shooting questions.
It's just there just aren't a lot of those guys
that become like plus starters. Like I mentioned Garland when
we talked to WATS, Like Garland is, you know, is
kind of the exception that proves the rule, I feel like,
because there aren't a lot of other players with fears
profile and specific weaknesses at that position that like have
done well. He can develop certainly, and obviously the Pelicans
are banking on that. But but yeah, like I that's
a positional type that increasingly I'm just like a little
more worried about than I used to be, if you
know what I mean. I don't know, I don't know
if that's founded on much, but that's just kind of
the feel I have right now.
Speaker 1: So Number eight is the Brooklyn Nets, And I'm gonna
give you this hint. Okay, this is like Dan's basketball
porn pick oh that they made?
Speaker 3: Hmm did they take Derek Queen?
Speaker 2: Are you locking that in?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'll lock that in I don't know why
I decided you liked him.
Speaker 2: You're wrong. It was jeg Or Denham.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I am not so excited. You talking about
a team that can put the ball in just his
hands and he has I said, he has like a
he plays like a similar type to Luka Dancic when
he feels like the cadence to his game. The jumper
is a big question. I'm interesting how that works. But
him just like kind of working under Jordi Fernandez. I
think this is I don't know if you want to
call to reach or a gamble, but like we're kind
of in the draft territory where it was okay, who.
Speaker 2: Were you just like, oh they didn't take him? Or
they are they kidding me?
Speaker 3: So do you think he's got I mean, he's gonna
play point guard essentially for them, because I know that
when we talked to Wass he was kind of like,
there are quite that is what he does well is
he's he's a good passer. He makes a lot of
like risky turnovers, but like, do you think that is
gonna be like, because again, if you're gonna try to tank,
like putting the ball in the hands of someone who's
like very gifted but is gonna make a lot of
mistakes is not the worst approach. You think he's just
gonna be like running the show more or less.
Speaker 2: Who else would be my first? If not him, then who?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that that's gonna be a fascinating
team to watch, a sneaky good tank move too. The
more I think about.
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, I love this pick and I think that, look,
he'll be able to do some stuff off the ball
as well. And the way that Jordan Fernandez just seems
like I know we only have like a one year sample,
but just able to extract value from players that you
wouldn't necessarily expect or like gets them to do things
like cam Thomas just getting a little bit better as
a passer, getting a little bit better defensively under him,
I think is a big deal. So I'm excited about
the yeg Or Demon pick, and I'm I'm really just
happy that he went to a team I was wondering, like, oh,
is he gonna slip to like an Okac at fifteen
or twenty four for summer. I didn't think we'd get
to twenty four and then just won't play. But like
this is a team that's gonna play him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a I mean, that's a fascinating pick. I
like it feels like a reach. Yeah, but but I
kind of like I like that reach.
Speaker 1: Who do you think went at number nine? Also a
pick that was bandied about in quite a bit of
trade rumors.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to remind me who has nine because
I don't like to have no information in front of
me because it'll spoil it for me.
Speaker 2: The Toronto Raptors at number nine.
Speaker 3: Oh, they were supposed to trade this pick, weren't they. Dan,
we haven't had a trade. I can't just say like
they traded it. That'd be a lame. I'm gonna guess
what do they need? They need? Three point shooting? They
need I don't know, a superstar. I'm gonna say, did
they take No? Why would they do? I'm thinking, like, uh,
a name that I'll butcher U Yakucionish from Illinois. It's
kind of the last like semi interesting guard Jase Richardson's.
Speaker 1: I would just say I one like insistence would be
think about who runs the Toronto Raptors Before you go
too far down though?
Speaker 2: What do they need?
Speaker 1: They they took final answer, that's wrong, calinary boyles. I
thought that that is the most Let's get like a shorter,
squattier Scottie Barnes. Okay, I don't hate the pick, but
I'm just like, what are they doing? Could we get
some shooting on this team?
Speaker 2: For the love of god?
Speaker 3: That's rough, I mean, And that's what.
Speaker 2: Do you think?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Are you're not playing him with yaka pertl Right, well
I guess you are. I would just like to point
out that now Chris Bouchet has become a necessity because
they need some floor spacing in the front court.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, bring him back, but like even with like
I don't even love him with Barnes, like that's just.
Speaker 1: No, it's but it's it is sort of like this
is just like Project, but it's a different Project six'
nine er over, Again except it's not that you just
have a bunch of different guys who don't necessarily need
to be tethered to a, position but they all have
either redundancies in their weaknesses.
Speaker 2: Or strength with one.
Speaker 1: Another SO i but look his defense, though and like
The raptors play a very aggressive style of, defense or
they can Under Darko, Ryakovic Like i'm excited to see
what he can do in the defense that has A
Scottie Barnes jamal shed being on this team a healthy.
Speaker 2: Manual, QUICKLY i do.
Speaker 1: Think to, me when we're looking at the fallout from this,
PICK i think that The raptors are gonna and LIKE
i would almost guarantee they're trading one Of Yaku perl
or R J barrett at this point over the.
Speaker 3: Offseason, YEAH i, mean it's just the shooting is such a.
PROBLEM i, get, LIKE i don't, know Maybe Brandon ingram
is really gonna keep the, volume uh and like quickly
We'll but even then it's just like your whole front
court rotation is gonna have questions about the, Spacing LIKE i,
DON'T i don't. Know maybe maybe the.
Speaker 2: Would have made you feel better about then it's.
Speaker 3: Well you got you sent me up all?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Interesting so, ten who's got to well here can we?
Speaker 1: Now so the part of the hook of this podcast
is going to be where we lied to because there
was all these trades that were supposed to. Happen there
was only one trade in the top, ten and it
happened days before it happened On game. Seven The sun's
got the number Ten pig's part of THE kd. Trade
SO i would just like to say we were, hoodwinked.
Speaker 2: Bamboozled Let astray run them.
Speaker 1: UP i will not Forgive sean's for saying this is
gonna be the most craziest offseason. Ever i'm really just
kidding BECAUSE i was getting fed up actually with the
amount of transactions that were going, down like even before the, Fire,
like what was the trade that actually made me angry
that it?
Speaker 2: Happened it was it happened late at.
Speaker 1: Night i'd taken an edible AND i, LIKE i actually turned,
down like an editor asked to come in to DO
i was like, no Like i'm, High like this isn't,
Happening like this is gonna be a? Mess was it
was that the The boston trade With simon's And Drew
holiday that broke late at.
Speaker 2: Night later at, NIGHT i just thought it was Saving
so you thought you, yeah place you.
Speaker 1: Weren't but my point be, like there's gonna be all this.
Movement you're the top of the, draft lo and, behold
absolute jackshit. Happened SO i FEEL i feel lied To.
Speaker 2: Grant but you. Know with that, said who do you
think went to The sons at number?
Speaker 3: Ten, well NOW i Got i'm gonna guess A malowatch.
AGAIN i will SAY i would have thought hard About Carter,
bryant but it was spoiled in the chat for. ME
i assume this is true that he went to The
spurs at.
Speaker 1: Fourteen, yeah you talk about The spurs had like basically
my favorite draft because you end up With Dylan harper
And Carter. Bryant, so, yes you were right. Again so
where are you? Now you've only missed on, Three you're
seven of?
Speaker 3: Ten, right take.
Speaker 1: It but we're gonna pivot right into the next element
of this because it's not a. Pick it's, well there
is a pick, involved it's a. Trade so minutes after
or BEFORE i don't even, remember but these, two these
these auto events happened one right after the. Other, basically
The sun's Drafted malawatch and traded For Mark.
Speaker 2: Williams what so.
Speaker 1: The trade is The Charlotte hornets GET i didn't include the,
name and the graphics are, everybody but they got the
number twenty nine, pick which turned Into leam, McNeely and
they also got a twenty twenty nine first round. Pick
it'll be the worst Of, Cleveland minnesota And. UTAH i
think there's top five protection on The minnesota. Pick The
sun's Got Mark, williams who's extension. Eligible what is going
on In? PHOENIX i just don't. Like so is the
idea to you Want Mark? Williams you could pay him
and then you just won't Play mallawatch? Enough or do
you you both these players as guys who can do
like fifteen minutes a.
Speaker 3: Pop do you do you think That Nick richards went
to the front office and was, like, guys there's there's
SOMEONE i used to play with and he started over.
Me and if you Think i'm, good go get this other,
guy and That's Mark. Williams do you think That Nick
richards just got himself? Demoted like? Accidentally this is also
not as good of a package as The hornets initially
got from The, lakers Which i'm never ever gonna get.
OVER i, know, like what why Is Mark williams valued this?
Highly the GUY i don't, know like he's, fine but
he's never, healthy and, like, YEAH i DON'T i don't like. It,
Why LIKE i, think why not just play? Malowatch you're
gonna Ask malwatch to do like two things like just
catch lobs and rebound and block or three and block,
Shots like why can't a rookie do?
Speaker 1: That That Carter bryant would have made so much sense
to you if your tray For Mark williams and it's just,
like doesn't this kind of, say, okay we're out on
the OsO I gadaro experience a little bit.
Speaker 2: Too oh, yeah R.
Speaker 3: I p Like gudaro. EXPERIENCE i enjoyed that. EXPERIENCE i
like push shots and good short roll.
Speaker 1: Passing or maybe to be fair To, Phoenix Mark williams
has played in like an average of nine games a.
Speaker 3: SEASON i was gonna, say don't be fair To phoenix
and then you, weren't SO i appreciate. It uh, YEAH
i don't think The suns are transacting. Intelligently do you?
Do you think that's?
Speaker 2: Shocking the matt should be a run.
Speaker 1: Team, well if this is what happens when he removes
himself from basketball decisions or, no he's in so, no
he's more.
Speaker 3: Involved he's more, involved which so status. Quo yeah, NO
i think, look Maybe Mark williams will stay healthy and
he'll be he'll be a If Mark williams plays sixty five,
Games is he the fourteenth best center in the? League,
like is?
Speaker 2: That is?
Speaker 3: That where like he's not a top ten center right
in any REALISTIC i just here's my.
Speaker 1: THING i, know it was the number twenty nine, pick
and we're talking about a pick that's probably gonna be
number twenty.
Speaker 2: Five but you don't give up two first.
Speaker 1: Round picks for an injury prone non star who might
be a top fifteen player at his, position who's about
to get a new contract unless we get word that
he signs an extension that's like four years and twenty
million dollars or some ludicrous shit like.
Speaker 2: THAT i. DON'T i just IT'S i feel so bad
For suns. FANS i just.
Speaker 1: Rough it's, like this is like you're Reaching bull's level of,
incompetence just you haven't sustained it for his.
Speaker 3: THOMB i mean, this it's some very different types of.
Incompetence but, YEAH i don't. Know Maybe Mark williams will
be great and we'll be, wrong but it's just like
the likeliest outcome is he's gonna miss a ton of
the season and not be a difference maker when he's.
Speaker 1: HEALTHY i also my final thing here when you look
At malawatch And Mark, williams and Maybe malawatch develops into
this BIG i love the idea Of Devin booker alongside
a big man who can like make more decisions with the,
ball whether like An osogadar out of the short roll
or maybe someone who win the ball on the. Floor
even use Of nurkic is. Passing and now you've made
a couple of. Decisions you've decided by cornering the market
on all the shooting guards That Devin booker is now
your point guard, still and you've decided that he's just
never gonna play with one of those decisions making pigs
at this Like Nick richards doesn't do that. Stuff Mark
williams has shown it like a little, bit but you
don't want him putting the ball on the. Floor and Then, Malawatch,
okay he's gonna be a. Rookie let's see what happens.
Here BUT i don't like what's happening In. Phoenix IF
i Was Devin, BOOKER i would not be signing that.
Speaker 2: Extension no theory of.
Speaker 3: This, team, Well i'd be signing it and then demanding
A trade's one hundred and fifty million.
Speaker 2: Bucks yeah you might as. Well just who do you think?
Speaker 1: Was we can now get back to the draft, picks
and we're into number eleven.
Speaker 3: Territory let's see this would be.
Speaker 2: AND i will tell you there was a.
Speaker 1: Trade oh it was supposed to Be, portland but they
did not make the.
Speaker 2: Pick oh.
Speaker 3: Fascinating, WELL i mean, THIS i don't. Know that doesn't
help or hurt. Anything i'm this is where it's like
we we could dispense with the bit at any, time
because now it's just there's like five or six names
That i'll just recycle a bunch of. TIMES i forget
who that was last YEAR i kept saying somebody over
and over and he didn't get. Picked Forever i'll, say,
uh this pick that Was portland's and is not theirs.
Anymore then it's just like a throwne a. Dart this
is this Is Derek. Queen how about?
Speaker 1: That it is Not Derek. Queen it Is Cedric coward
went to The Atlanta Memphis. Grizzlies excuse, me they got
number Eleven Cedric coward and they Sent Yong hanson the
number sixteen, Pick orlando's twenty twenty eight first, rounder and
two second round picks to get. This that, is they
must be pretty sure That Cedric coward's like the guy
they really.
Speaker 3: Like Cedric coward is What i'm divining from. THIS i
Also Jong hanson is not the name of someone THAT
i HAVE i, know so we should also well that's
indicator That, well there's the.
Speaker 1: Meme so because we're not gonna, go we'll have a
wrap up afterwards where we go through the.
Speaker 2: Pick so there was the.
Speaker 1: Meme he was drafted by The grizzlies at number. SIXTEEN
i think it Was Jonathan gavoni went ON espn and,
said this is the biggest reach of the draft so.
Far but they talked about his, work, ethic all the
stuff he could. Do but that's the meme where it
WAS i said young To Scoot henderson in The blazers locker,
room and it's The Adam silver Learn chinese buddy meme
that you.
Speaker 3: Vaguely knew, existed vaguely new. EXISTENCE i mean the TWENTY
i bump on The orlando twenty eight, first but then
we spent a lot of time talking about, like, well
unless something goes very wrong for the magic that's in
the mid, twenties probably so big. Deal still a first,
though to move up five, spots that's. Interesting, okay, yeah
the better be the, guy, Right.
Speaker 1: Uh and The blazers are having an offseason. Grant because
we have not talked about The Drew holiday, trade this.
Speaker 2: Feels like a good spot to talk about.
Speaker 1: It so just as the trade, details The celtics Got
Anthony simons has a year and twenty seven point seven
million left on his, deal followed by The blazers Getting
Drew holliday with three years and one hundred and four
point four left on his. Deal i'm SORRY i have
this the assets, backward but The celtics also Got New
york's twenty thirty second round pick And portland got In
portland's twenty thirty one second round. Pick so it was
got two second round picks And Anthony simon's on a
spiring deal For Drew. Holiday what did you make of this?
Trade what do you make of what The blazers are?
Speaker 3: Doing, yeah because that is the more interesting side to talk,
about right because The celtics are saving money not just
the next, year but they're also just like those other
two years Of holiday's contract. DISAPPEAR i forget who said.
It it might have. BEEN i don't want to miscredit,
it but the idea, being if this strikes you as,
weird it probably just means That portland thinks they're better
than you do and believes, that you know WHAT i,
mean it's and thinks that they have a chance to
like actually do, something which is not a crazy thing to.
Think it does The Portland when we Did portland's, offseason
like some of their needs were. SHOOTING i guess you've
got to believe That holiday's three point shooting will continue
to hold up just as the rest of his game.
Slips but even, THEN i feel Like simon's because of
his ability to get off different kinds of threes and
just his youth and the. Volume like you you are
making a shooting, DOWNGRADE i, Think And i'm Aware holiday
was like forty something percent last. Year it Makes portland's
defense pretty, nuts, right like it was already a strength
and like.
Speaker 1: Now top five for like half the, year and now
you Add Drew, holliday, who even if he, SLIPPED i
think that was more about The celtics futst with his
matchups a little bit more last year and like SO
i you have. Him Timanti Kamara Denny, Avda Donovan. KLINGEN i,
Mean Jeremy grant can still get things done on the defensive,
end and, Like Jeremy grant is coming off the bench,
NOW i actually, SO I i. Do i'm sitting here, wondering,
like did they really have to include the seconds For Drew.
Holiday it's, like if we want to quibble over that
this team needs shooting Badly Andthony simons was their best,
shooter AND i think you could make the case perhaps
their only shooter if we're being, like yeah To Monic
mars getting his, threes but like not the type of
three is That Anthony simons is going to.
Speaker 2: Hit WHAT i will say is.
Speaker 1: That people still get too caught up in the fact,
that oh my, god look at that. Contract they're planning
on trying to do something with your holiday this. Season
they're gonna be two years left on that deal, afterwards
cap space does it never meant To portland what it
did to other. Teams it means even less now the
way that free agency is, headed and if free agency
is gonna reinvent, ITSELF i have news for. People it's
not happening within one of the next two. Summers and
so if it happens by twenty twenty, seven he's just
an expiring. Contract and you can, say, oh it makes
it harder for them to save teams, money, sure but
how often do we see really big trades where the
salaries are just so, Lopsided like even What boston has
done this offseason has not been. That The Christaps porzingis
trade is the closest they came to, it and that's
like he was on an expiring contract, himself and they
used a team that had cap, space like more cap
space than anyone in the league could even. Fathom SO
i look at this and, say, yeah does it feel
Like portland is acting a little too urgently? Here, YEAH
i would say, yes like this is this a trade
THAT i would have?
Speaker 2: Made probably, Not.
Speaker 1: But it's also, Okay like their defense is gonna be
hell fire and it already was hell, fire and we
just saw, that, like, Oh Drew holliday's contract was kind
of an asset or at least not a net. Negative
so it's only going to get. SHORTER i know he's
gonna get, older but he's a high character. Guy and,
finally BECAUSE i know you want to say, something Having
Scoot henderson And Shaden sharp like under the influence Of Drew,
holliday there are far worse THINGS i could imagine for this.
Team AND i think the bigger issue for me is
we mentioned, like, okay the, shooting BUT i like tongue in.
Cheek Is Jeremy grant coming off the?
Speaker 2: Bench are you?
Speaker 1: Start like is one Of shade And sharp And Scoot
henderson just permanently coming off the? Bench and is it
gonna Be? Scoot LIKE i do wonder part of me
if the plan is to Start Drew, HOLLIDAY i do
sit here a little bit and, wonder, like, well what
is the plan With Scoot henderson and or less Likely
shade And?
Speaker 3: Sharp that is WHAT i was gonna get, to is
like part half of me is LIKE i kind of
love The Holiday sharp, fit AND i like The Holiday
scoot fit better THAN i do With simons in his.
Place in either case it and it's the other half
is can you play all three? Together but that was
also an issue With simons right, like because so LIKE I,
i the problem, persists and SO i GUESS i come
out mostly positive BECAUSE i just like the. Duo in
either case Of holiday With sharp or With, SCOOT i
can see that making more sense Than simon's in his.
Place but, YEAH i don't know what that because, you,
oh you can play him at the, three because sure
he can guard, up he can guard fours if you
need him. To but then it's, like, WELL i really
Want avdia and kamaraw on the floor as much as,
Possible so what? Where so, yeah it would BE i
would be, discouraged wouldn't You if that Meant scoots coming
off the bench again in his third. YEAR i feel
like that would be.
Speaker 1: Discouraged but maybe that's not what you. Do but Then i'm, wondering,
okay is? It so can you Start Drew, Sharp, Henderson
avdya And klingon who then so you're Bringing jeremy Gran
DeAndre eight and off the. Bench that's, which by the,
way those guys aren't part.
Speaker 2: Of your bigger picture as far As i'm, concerns SO
i would have.
Speaker 1: Zero but Then Tamani kamara's not in, there and so
he's maybe their single most valuable, Player like maybe not
best in a, vacuum but in terms of, VALUE i think.
Speaker 3: You Want kamara on the floor against the other team
starters because you want to throw him at.
Speaker 2: Like the one Of holiday's sharp or scooter is coming off.
Speaker 3: THE i, mean Maybe holiday doesn't. START i could see, that,
LIKE i mean that, would but he's making the salary
makes that.
Speaker 1: Hard and also just could you imagine going from winning
a title contending for one In boston this past? Year,
yeah and then now not only are you on The
blazers who you already traded to like, previously you're coming
off the bench for The.
Speaker 3: BLAZERS i still like it, though, right we, agree LIKE
i think this is it's interesting AND i think it could.
Speaker 2: Work, Right that's WHERE i.
Speaker 1: Matter even if you don't love, it or even if
you would have made the, trade the fact people portraying
it as this, FARCE i JUST i.
Speaker 2: DON'T i don't really. Understand so number twelve is The
chicago And.
Speaker 1: Grant they did a good. Thing they Drafted Noah. Sangway,
OKAY i love. This this is someone who could defend
his ass off at like all different sorts of positions
and just has a like a ton of malleability. THERE
i don't, know like necessarily what he's gonna turn into
offensively for, them but they kind of have enough when
you look At vouch And lonzo And Kobe white And
josh like they have enough stuff on offense to figure it.
Speaker 2: OUT i like going after someone like.
Speaker 3: This anytime The bulls do something against, TYPE i feel
like it's by definition is a good, call and this
feels like it's a little bit against. Type AND i,
mean maybe him and Modest bozellis just inject. Enough you,
KNOW i don't. Know bozellis hasn't really shown a, ton
but like he has the athleticism and the competitiveness to
eventually be a good. Defender maybe and maybe this gives you,
Length AND i don't, KNOW i kind of like. IT
i can't claim to know a ton about A, singway
BUT i Think wass liked. HIM i Think wass maybe
had him up pretty high on his good wing defender.
Speaker 1: List AND i actually the only THING i don't even
know IF i disagree with, you LIKE i Think monsters
might already be really good on. Defense like the type
of stuff he can do is like borderline big man
ish but also w a wing. Package so having him
in the same, way in the same like. Unit and
Then Patrick williams is still on this. Team, grant come,
on you got a trio that could just lock it, down.
Speaker 3: Sure lock down that.
Speaker 1: Money the number thirteen, pick we have a, trade so
it is it Is Derek.
Speaker 2: Queen though The pelicans are Getting Derek. Queen they traded for.
Speaker 1: Him, uh they gave The hawks and number twenty. Three
and this is the, thing twenty twenty six first round pick.
Unprotected it's the most favorable Of New orleans And.
Speaker 2: Milwaukee that's LIKE I Derek queen.
Speaker 1: Is people were he was one of the many people
in this draft who are apparently Baby jokic by the,
way like fur his Baby.
Speaker 2: Jochics, NOW i don't, know how do you feel about?
Speaker 3: This so you're telling me that twenty six first that
The hawks? Have it'll WELL i was gonna, say so
it's The pelicans, Pick but is it like it might Be.
Milwaukee what's the? Ceiling what's the realistic ceiling on that?
Pick could be could be a lottery? Pick? Right one
of these two teams is good bet to miss the.
Speaker 1: PLAYOFFS i guess this telegraphs though that like they're. Not
and for anyone who cares BECAUSE i didn't include, it
this is what happens when you're making graphics in real, time.
Folks that turned Into Asa newell at number twenty. THREE
i know a friend of the, Podcast Adam, frommell who's
A hawks, fan is very excited about that. Pick just
does telegraph that The pelicans are clearly planning on like
making the playoffs or the play In, right otherwise you
don't include this, pick you.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't think and that's a bold stance because The west
is still really good and maybe yeah that, AGAIN i
guess yeah, again you got. It this is sort of
like the coward move where it's like, you, queen better
be the guy it better be worth because that's A
i don't, know that's two trades now that have been
like or is it even, yeah at least two that's
a lot to move. UP i mean ten spots is
a little different but than five in The memphis. Trade
BUT I i don't know that that feels, like, uh
the downside For New orleans is pretty significant, there, right
because what it's unprotected if if you have a seat
like you just went through a season that's like a
lot can go wrong all at the same, time and
you always Have zion's health being a massive question. MARK
i THINK i think The hawks crush it here because
they get massive upside if That New orleans pick or who,
Knows like maybe The bucks trade be.
Speaker 1: HONEST I i'm Assuming New orleans has like pretty good
into but maybe we shouldn't trust their intel because they
traded for that number twenty three, pick they gave it
back to The, pacers and now look at what that
pick could. Become SO i just what is The you,
KNOW i know people Compared Queen too to Like Greg.
MUNROE i think he has more shooting touch Than Greg munroe.
Does but are you ever you're planning on playing him With?
Zion what does the defense look like at any point?
Speaker 2: THERE i.
Speaker 3: Just Don't the MORE i look at, THIS i just,
like you can't give up an unprotected first rounder next
year if you're The, pelicans you can't do. It like
that could be, you that could be the number one.
Pick it's totally.
Speaker 1: Possible i'll go back and make Sure i'm not missing,
anything But i'm pretty sure that it's said that it
was gonna be the like an unprotected. Pick so that's just, like,
yeah they're training the number thirteen pick of the draft
in one of The pelicans are number twenty three pick
in an unprotected twenty twenty twenty six first round pick
most favorable Of New orleans And.
Speaker 2: Milwaukee SO i think the theory of.
Speaker 1: This if you're The, pelicans Is yannis is staying In,
milwaukee so they will still that pick will be in
the late, teens early, twenties and we're gonna be good
because we're gonna stay healthy like we always. Do like
is that The pelicans like this is just this is
a huge risk AND i don't think the upside is
there for them TO i, like like If zion misses any, Time,
like what is this team With jordan bole'.
Speaker 3: By Jordan poole and a rookie point guard that you,
draft you just drafted at seven like? That this is?
IT i, LOOK I i hate this for a lot of.
Reasons this is a really good this is A king's.
TRADE i DON'T i, yeah, man Maybe i'll be dead.
WRONG i JUST i don't think this is a good
move at all by The. Pelicans Dere Maybe Derek queen's,
Great maybe that's what fixes.
Speaker 2: It here's ho hoping he.
Speaker 1: Is we root for all these, rookies but this feels
like a good time to talk about the trade we allude.
To so in a deal with The, wizards The pelicans
Received Jordan pool was two years and sixty six million
left on his. Deal Sadik bay two years and twelve
and a half.
Speaker 2: Million didn't play a single game for The.
Speaker 1: Wizards they signed him with that torn LEFT acl and
then got rid of, him and they got the number forty.
Pick washington RECEIVED. C. G McCollum expiring at thirty point seven,
Million Kelly ollnik expiring at thirteen point four, million and
a future second round. Pick they also got off a
shit ton of money for twenty twenty, six where the
early estimates are that if they want, to they can
have a hundred million to.
Speaker 3: Space take, That, brooklyn you think you Got Caspase.
Speaker 2: NOW i fucking love This wizard's front.
Speaker 1: Office they are so smart if you just look at
what they've, Done like look at what they did at
the trade deadline to get compensation For Chris Middleton Marcus
smart who are now on these bigger expiring. Contracts even
people made fun, of like The Rashaun holmes non, Get
like they restructured his deal to where he lowered his
guarantee next, year but he got that non guarantee for
like thirteen to nine or whatever it.
Speaker 2: Is this coming.
Speaker 1: Year they can they have so much room under the
tax grant that if they wanted to guarantee the entire,
thing they can get back a player making more than
twenty million dollars and they haven't lost anyone who's important to.
Speaker 2: Them like that is, Real like you could do.
Speaker 1: Real damage on the trade market that, way or you
could guarantee whatever you want of it to move, him
or you just get rid of. Him this is just
LIKE i shouldn't be this excited about like The, Wizards
like this is just a really well run organization right,
now we're not talking enough about. IT i think They're
one quote unquote downfall would be do you think that
they have the guy of the future already in tow
and it's Between Sar kulibali Now Trey.
Speaker 2: Johnson you just you don't.
Speaker 1: Know but this Is we're two years into the rebuild
and they've just accomplished so much.
Speaker 2: Already.
Speaker 3: YEAH i think a couple. Thoughts, ONE i think moving
on From Jordan poole has its value not just in
saving you money next, year but then also like all,
right bub it's your. Show AND i think that's because
that way you're gonna learn About carrington and kulibally to
a lesser, extent like more than you would If Jordan
poole was on this. Team and like Maybe Jordan poole
is not the best culture. Guy that's it's up for.
Debate but like you hear all the time that like you, know,
oh the easy part is the, teardown, Right it's like
it's easy to tank and to to do some selling
and to cut salary and, stuff but like The wizards
are making it look like way, easy like you know
WHAT i, Mean LIKE i mean that as a, complm
like the way that just every move has been geared
towards let's create, flexibility let's and, LIKE i don't, know
do you think this is another? THING i don't want
to get on a huge tangent here because we're not
gonna get through this. Thing but, like do you think
The wizards will buy out some of these like your
McCollums and Your smarts and your, middletons or do you
think they're gonna look to take on because creating all
that cap space in twenty six makes me think they're
maybe not. Interested and, like give us your bad three
year deal for this expiring one we have With picks.
Attached they could do, that but like it feels like
maybe they're looking to Be brooklyn on steroids next offseason
more than anything. Else AND i.
Speaker 2: Think it's possible that they.
Speaker 1: Might that's the point where they're gonna, say, hey we're
making sure we keep our pick this.
Speaker 2: Year it's top eight.
Speaker 1: PROTECTED i think otherwise it goes to The knicks and
if it doesn't turns into two seconds and then maybe
they believe it'll be time to hit the acceleration. Button
BUT i also think that they'll be opportunity BECAUSE i
think they've looked At Jordan poole and said a lot
of people gave us. Shit they said that we've writen
Off Jordan pool too much because he had a good.
Speaker 2: Season.
Speaker 1: Awesome over the past four, years he's had two good.
Seasons so you're working on in every other year. Trajectory
even though it's not how it mapped. Out you got
off of someone WHO i think very easily could have
turned into a net negative for someone who just comes
off the. BOOKS i think they're being opportunistic here AND
i could see them doing something similar to what they
did With smart Or middleton this this season or even
this offseason and, saying, yeah we're taking on money that
only goes out an extra, year so it's just then
we're still getting first round compensation for. It SO i
think they're just leaving their options. Open AND i think
that The Will Dawkins Michael winger led front office has
kind of shown that they deserve the benefit of the doubt,
here and MAYBE i think you could look at their
draft picks and, say who's been their home. Run they
haven't really drafted in a SPOT i, guess with the
exception Of Alex sar to say that's where the home
run needs to be and Like.
Speaker 2: Sar just might still be really fucking.
Speaker 3: Good, well then there were no home runs in that, draft, ye,
right so like they.
Speaker 1: DID i don't know what the there's a case That
alex if you do. REDRAFT i Know Zachary resische probably
still goes and maybe they'll be the McCain castle. Supporters
But i'll make a Case rolex are to go number
one in a redraft right, now like with some of
the tools he. Showed SO i loved not just this,
draft like The Trey johnson. PICK i understand, IT i like,
it but LIKE i just love what The wizards are,
doing AND i think that they're in really really good
hands moving. Forward strong, Agree what are we on number,
fourteen the last lotto?
Speaker 2: Pick oh, no, wait we're gonna go into a trade
with The hawks? First how about?
Speaker 1: That So atlanta received Christophs porzingis the twenty twenty six
second round. Pick it's like the worst of seven. Teams
it's probably gonna end up Being minnesota's or. Something boston
Got George, Niang cleveland's twenty thirty one second round, pick
and Then brooklyn Received Terrence, mann who is three years
and forty seven million left on his, deal and the
number twenty two, pick, which for anyone who cares that
turned Into Drake. Powell so this is a mean and
Christophs porzingis is expiring at like thirty million.
Speaker 2: BUCKS i kind of, LIKE i like what The hawks are. Doing, Great, NO.
Speaker 3: I, KNOW i, agree it's just like it it's an
interesting dynamic to add To Trey young plus the quartzead
of twenty five and under like like good. Starters BUT
i mean maybe that's just a little bit of a
stretch For Reesa. Shay but, LIKE i really am in
the bag For Kong. WU i THINK i don't have
an issue with like maybe you play those two. Together
maybe you just bank On porzingis missing time and a
Kong wu still your starting. CENTER i don't, Know like
maybe you can Manage porzingis's minutes off the bench just,
Fine Like Jalen johnson fits great next to either of those,
bigs LIKE i And Dyson daniels is gonna be starting
next To trey Like atlanta, Is like you don't want
to make this comparison because it's like it's too, convenient
but It's atlanta has like some indie vibes where it's
like we're not and it's different because like they don't
have their picks so they can't. Tank but it's like
they're just gonna try to be pretty good and make,
incremental like positive moves and like see what. HAPPENS i
don't hate. IT i THINK i think for where The
hawks put themselves with some of the trades they made
with respect to their draft, picks like this is a
move you, MAKE i think it's it's it's totally sensible
for them to take a shot On, porzingis who LIKE
i don't, know maybe he's not gonna give you, anything
but it's not Like niang's gonna like what Was niang
doing for.
Speaker 1: The, like, WELL i mean his floor spacing was, valuable,
valuable but you get that on defensive steroids With Chris
tops if he's.
Speaker 3: Healthy, sure so you make a premium. Position, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right and also you got off the because the one
one of the things we didn't like is you gave
up picks with Bug Down bogdanovitch to Get Terrence man
in the first. Place now you get him, off and
So Chris tops comes off the. Books but you also
what you've done, Too AND i didn't even realize.
Speaker 2: This do you?
Speaker 1: Know they're the only other team aside From brooklyn who
can take in a player making more than the mid
level right now because of That Dejonte murray trade, exception
they still have and they have enough room under the
tax to where they could they have enough remunder the
first APRON i think to use it. All but we
know they won't pay the tax because this is the
plant that we're talking, about so they Could like that
gets super interesting, too like if they Want Jake fisher
link them To Nikia Alexander walker and you AND i
have you AND i have talked about the outlines of
what it seems like they're trying to do Around Trey.
Young it's, Okay porzingis gives you the. Shooting we wanted
to see them get some more playmaking and shooting around,
him but they've almost kind of, decided, like.
Speaker 2: We'll figure it out on.
Speaker 1: Offense we're just gonna surround him with as many versatile
or like fucking lunatic defenders as. Possible when you look
At Dyson Daniel Zachary resi che, SO i. LIKE i
like what they're kind of, doing and it's very low risk.
Here now if you Extend, porzingis that's that gets in
a little. Risky BUT i Do i'm now more interested
in their offseason because do you look at this and
say this was more of an opportunistic trade or do
you look at this and say they're kind of because
they're picks their next two where they have twenty six
and twenty seven are also going To San. Antonio do
you just read this as all, right they're gonna Extend
Trey young like they're gonna try and keep, winning or
do you think this was more about being.
Speaker 2: OPPORTUNISTIC i think it's.
Speaker 3: MORE i guess it's opportunistic more than the. Alternative but
it's also like they you don't really have a. CHOICE
i guess you. Could you don't need to go trade For,
porzingis but but like not having your picks kind of
simplifies your your your, options, Right like As michael, Says
atlanta can be a honest. Destination THAT'S i, mean that's
with respect to The pelicans Slash bucks twenty six. Unprotected,
YEAH i mean early front, runner not front, runner but
early nominee for like really good offseason so. Far, Hawks
LIKE i think they've they've made a couple of really shrewd,
moves and LIKE i don't feel Like porzingis has a
ton of leverage if you want to start extension, Negotiations
like the health history is what it, is so like
maybe maybe you.
Speaker 2: Can't and he's Playing EuroBasket.
Speaker 3: Is in a powerful, position and he says.
Speaker 1: He's playing with his national team this, year so like
you can't extend him until you know that he makes
it out of their one.
Speaker 3: Piece, yeah, right you're gonna hold off on that for.
Speaker 1: Sure do you want to one out For brooklyn only
having like sixty million dollars in cash space? LEFT i
don't know what if that's enough for them to do.
Speaker 3: ANYTHING i will SAY i did have a thought of, like,
OOH i don't know THAT i like them dipping into,
that BUT i guess you get number twenty, two so
good for.
Speaker 1: Them and turns man like he can still be really
good on. DEFENSE i don't know what he's gonna be
on offense, ever, Basically but and Then, BOSTON i DO
i understand what they're. Doing and AS bj says in the,
chat like The zinger trade, shows there's only so much
you could do when you have zero. LEVERAGE i am
a little bit, uncomfortable like how many people are celebrating, like,
oh The celtics went from having this half a billion
dollar payroll with taxes like it's only it's only one hundred.
Speaker 2: And eighty million now or.
Speaker 1: Something i'm, like we don't need to applaud, that like
this is billionaires saving. Money do you think that they're
about four and a half million as we record this
beneath the second? Apron their salary shedding isn't done?
Speaker 3: Right, WELL i mean do you? So do you mean
you Think Derek white Or JALEN.
Speaker 1: I Was that was one of my bold predictions this,
offseason was That Derek white and Or Jalen brown will be.
Moved AND i just think we're not talking, well, actually
you AND i are talking enough about, it Because i've
now brought it up like eighty times on this. PODCAST
i feel like people aren't talking enough about this isn't
just about next, season it's about they need to see
What Jayson tatum looks like in twenty twenty, six and
you're really looking at a twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty eight timeline.
Speaker 1: Horizon Derek white's not going to be, specifically he isn't
gonna be super young at that. Point Jalen brown's kind
of racked up injuries like low, Key SO i JUST
i don't. Know AND i also kind of think THAT
i know there's only one team with cap, space And
boston just kind of used. THEM i wouldn't shock me
if they're just, like you know, what we're gonna try
and duck like that where they need another twenty million
or something to get out of the luxury tax or.
Whatever it might be thirty closer to thirty million at this.
Point it just wouldn't shock me if they try to do.
Speaker 3: THAT i wouldn't shock me, either BECAUSE i do think
the super hard reset is really like the cold logical
best decision for them because of like What's tatum when he's,
back and like how like you, know really resetting. EVERYTHING
i WOULD i guess i'd hedge and say if they.
Do if they do, that it's more of a deadline
a trade deadline, THING i think THEN i would guess
it this like right, NOW i will.
Speaker 1: Just SAY i was just gonna, say, like it's hard
to cut that much money at the trade.
Speaker 2: Deadline SO i.
Speaker 1: Think IF i, like will they split the baby and
they're gonna cut a little more because one right, now
like can you GET i guess maybe he would take
another pay. Cut but you're not even able to give
out that you don't have a center. Name Guess kita
is the only center under excuse, Me Xavier tillman's the
only center under or big under.
Speaker 2: Guarantee contract for next.
Speaker 1: Year so it's, like is Al horford is coming back
for four million bucks or the? Minimum, okay then then
you just stay under the second apron and rock and
roll with. It BUT i just think there's like even
if it's A Sam houser, dump so then all of
a sudden it's, okay we're twenty million dollars away or
whatever it is from ducking. ATTACKS i don't have the
numbers in front of me right. NOW i think there's
at least one more, sound whether It's Sam, Hawser Derek.
Speaker 2: White Or Jalen.
Speaker 1: Brown not my prediction About brown Or white getting, MOVED
i think looks a lot worse because two of the
players that people assumed were the hardest to, move including
the single hardest And Drew, holiday are gone And boston
didn't have to attach an asset to either one of. Them,
yeah but they're to, ME i just look at this and,
say for what they're clearly intending to do next, season
because this roster is severely less, Talented like Every simon's
can come in and bomb, threes BUT i don't look
at him as someone who plays Necessarily boston's style of.
Offense AND i don't know how you how well can
you insulate him defensively right now When christops And Drew
holliday are gone And tatum is?
Speaker 2: Gone yeah you.
Speaker 3: Can't my theory on The celtics is they're just going
to rebreak the three point attenp record by With simons.
Speaker 2: Over under fifty a.
Speaker 3: Game, yeah over, it because they'll just be, like we'll
be as high variants as, possible because that's the only why.
Not let's maybe we'll. Win you, know we'll just shoot
more threes because we don't have the talent advantage. Anymore
and they did shoot a shit ton of threes when
they have the talent. Advantage so, LIKE i, THINK i
think the math says you should do even more of
that when you when you've lost the kinds of players they've. Lost,
YEAH i don't, KNOW I I i ACTUALLY I i
really don't Think horford is going to be back BECAUSE
i think SOMEONE i THINK i think someone should just
give him the full mid level or something like, that because,
like if you're a good, team you should just Want
Al horford, on you, know playing fifteen to twenty minutes for.
Speaker 1: You WHAT'S bj says not sold That simon's Or niang
play a single minute In. BOSTON i, mean, look when
you're just looking at movable salaries that maybe you could
jettison into exceptions Like Sam hawser And nyang would be
the ones to just, be, oh look we just got
rid of twenty million bucks in salary or whatever it.
Speaker 2: Is so, YEAH i.
Speaker 1: Don't it feels like there's more to come In. Boston
what is the team though that has the mid level
and just like we'll give it To Al horford right?
Now The hawks just Got porzingis and Having, kong so
it's not going to be. Them, okay so he could
probably have the mid level if it wants, to but
they just bring him.
Speaker 3: Back there WAS i, CAN'T i can't do The, Clippers.
Speaker 1: Like would he want to be like The clippers can
get to the full mid? Level is that a team
that would make?
Speaker 2: Sense?
Speaker 3: YEAH i think he would make sense for. Them, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Milwaukee but that's LIKE i guess he's.
Speaker 1: A little bit better Than Brook. Lopez like he's definitely
better defensively Than lopez for.
Speaker 3: SURE i mean he's. More, YEAH i mean he's kind
of got a lot of What lopez, does except that
he's just. More he's got he can. Switch, Still, NO
i don't know what else we. Got let's move let's move.
Speaker 1: Ahead we have the number fourteen, pick which Was Carter
bryant to The.
Speaker 2: Spurs uh love.
Speaker 1: HIM i think that THAT'S i am kind of, wondering
Like Keldon johnson is just never gonna feel like he
has a permanent spot on the, spurs, Right but he's
always be.
Speaker 3: There he's always going to be, there and he's always
going to be included. In, oh that's a pretty good
salary to throw in a. TRADE i like that a.
Lot someone could talk themselves Into Keldon. Johnson DO i
have it wrong that there's a fair amount of overlap
Between Carter bryan and Like Jeremy sohan and that it's
like we have questions about the shooting and they can
guard everything that, moves and that's kind of.
Speaker 1: IT i think it was low, volume But Carter brian
at least did shoot like thirty seven something PERCENT ok from,
three And Jeremy sohan is probably like shooting that from
his two handed free.
Speaker 2: Throws his one handed free throws are probably exponentially.
Speaker 3: High what does he shoot one handed from? Three he
thought they look into.
Speaker 2: That why doesn't he tried that? More or try a
skyhook from? Three maybe that's how you get.
Speaker 1: IT i LOOK i like this pick just as someone
who profiles is like that three AND d maybe a
little bit. More guy you can come in AND samsoni
just has a lot of. Talent but they're so AND
i don't mean this in a bad. Way they're on
such a weird trajectory just because you Have, wemby you
traded For, fox but Like Carter brian someone that you
should want to develop and, play Certainly harper And Steph,
castle you should want to develop and. Play Jeremy sohan
what is His it does feel like his spot on
the team is. Iffier but they also haven't made an
upgrade in the front court that would make you think, like,
oh we just don't need him. Anymore and they did
kind of figure out like different ways to offensively over
the past two. Seasons it feels, Like I'M i feel,
LIKE i know this is Atypical, spurs but unless they're
planning on making next year just kind of experimental again
and they're, okay maybe not making the play in or
only making the play in if everybody remains, healthy it
does feel like they're gonna do something else this. Offseason
maybe maybe it's only like trade For Cam johnson or,
something but, yeah because because.
Speaker 3: Otherwise it feels like a little bit too much of
a slow roll where and we've BEEN i, KNOW i
have just been like If wemby is this, good now
it's okay to just. Go i'm a little surprised that
they made this. PICK i think this was one that
a lot of people speculated would potentially be moved in a.
Deal BUT i don't. Know maybe they're just you, know
they don't the. Spur it's not like a bad course
to take if you cause maybe you just end up Like,
houston except you also Have, wemby where it's, like we
got all these guys on rookie scale. Deals you, know
we'll worry about having to extend all of them. Later,
meanwhile we have a ton of interesting. Talent, YEAH i
think maybe SOMETHING i WOULD i would Put San antonio
pretty high on the list of. Teams it's, like you
GOT i think maybe there's something coming eventually here trade,
wise just because it does feel a little underwhelming if they,
just you, know two more, rookies like two more young
guys to stockpile that are gonna take a, While and SO.
Speaker 2: I do like to pick.
Speaker 1: Overall BUT i also it's not just about, oh you Have,
wemby so, go it's you already kind of. Went you
already kind of went by Getting Daron. Fox and that's
WHAT i. Think if if they never make that, trade
you're kind of sitting here saying all, right like they're
just gonna continue to do like, whatever and then they're
waiting on that, move AND i know the price might
have been right For, fox but it just sort of
kind of ops you skates the are what is the.
Speaker 2: Actual endgame for next? Season?
Speaker 1: Anyway oh, wow this is generational hater spurs been asked
AS qui. Left that's like right on point with The
so we're gonna go through the rest of the draft
now to see what stands out and just kind of
pick and pluck. Here if you're still listening to us
this late at, night and one of the chat asked
Questions grant AND i will be happy to answer. Them
so we'll begin with the next eight picks. Here, Grant
so at number, Fifteen Oklahoma city kept it Took Thomas.
Sorber memphis we already. Mentioned at number sixteen From orlando
Took Jan. Henson minnesota Took Joan bringer at number. Seventeen
utah ended up with number. Eighteen Via washington Took Walter
Clayton junior, Nineteen brooklyn Took Nolan troure. Twenty miami Took
Casperis Yaka. YONIS i can't pronounce.
Speaker 2: It do you have.
Speaker 3: IT i know you, think, yeah, cucionis BUT i could.
Speaker 1: That washington Via utah number twenty one took Will, riley
and Then brooklyn at number twenty two Took Drake.
Speaker 2: Powell anything stand out the reach For?
Speaker 1: Memphis, well by the, Way i'll say what stands out
to me? Here SINCE i actually watched the draft and
we're throwing this at you like in the, Moment, okay,
see keeping number fifteen was a little bit of a
surprise for. Me and Then, memphis LIKE i just didn't
have any firm hold on what Jan henson could be
and then it was called the biggest like reach of
the draft at that, point so that was a little
bit surprising for.
Speaker 3: Me, HERE I i the one that actually gets. ME
i THINK i agree with you on THOSE i THOUGHT
i thought it was a safe bet that The thunder
would move both of those, picks just because they have
like thirteen guaranteed contracts plus Other Jalen williams and Uh Aj,
mitchell and it's just, like well where does this, Guy
like they seem like a draft and stash. POSSIBILITY a
little surprise they made that. PICK i Like treor For
brooklyn because that's LIKE i, know when we talked to
was and we, asked, like who's the best, people who
are the best pick and roll? Operators he mentioned, Him
SO i think it maybe that's bad news for our,
guy for For. Yegor but uh DID i say? That?
Right is it Yegor? OR i keep on saying like, Igor,
Uh but just having another guy that's gonna handle the
BALL i think makes, sense even if now you're just
kind of entrusting that position to two. Rookies but, yeah
that that's. Interesting we gotta let's.
Speaker 1: See oh, yeah, yeah so the the so Yes yong
is a. BLAZER i don't have it up on the,
screen but, yes that's what a young handsOn to go
To portland ended up with.
Speaker 3: That But donovan, asked how do you guys think The hornets?
Speaker 2: Did?
Speaker 3: Uh The canipple pick was terrific BECAUSE i guessed it
the value of The valets we think we think The hornets.
Did they're being run like, INTELLIGENTLY i think is a general.
Speaker 1: Stance and they also ended up With liam mcnely at
number twenty. NINE i thought they got good value out of.
Speaker 2: The Mark williams.
Speaker 1: Trade it was it was never going to align with
what The lakers gave, up but like The, lakers like
we're able to flip the uh, to like pull back
on that. One so but, Yeah charlotte is just, yeah
there's some, stuff there's some concerns there, still but they've
already overhauled their training staff that happened last. Year AND
i think that they've shown, specifically like forget this. DRAFT
i liked The canipple, pick but at the past two trade,
deadlines they have shown that they are taking a longer.
VIEW i think that's what this team, needs is that
level of, patients and that will come a time where
maybe they need to accelerate it a, bit but they're
not there. Yet AND i think The Mark williams trade
is maybe even a perfect example of, that as you're
not reinvesting in someone that you either don't believe, in
don't think is a good, fit don't think we'll stay.
Healthy SO i like a lot of What charlotte has.
Done the rest of the first round twenty three through
THIRTY Asa newell goes To. Atlanta that's Via New, Orleans
sacramento traded for number twenty four From. Okce they Got Nee.
CLIFFORD i actually really like that By. Sacramento he's kind
of like a remember when we were very high On Himay.
Hawkes he reminds me a little bit of that type
of player where just like sort of the five tool baseball,
player where it might not be elite at, anything but
does a bunch of stuff really. Well Ben sarah For.
Brooklyn excuse, Me Jase richardson For orlando at number twenty.
FIVE i think he could be pretty. Good he's a little, small,
though for a two. Guard twenty Six brooklyn At Ben's
saraf twenty seven For, Brooklyn Danny wolf twenty eight For,
Boston Hugo Gonzalez. CHARLOTTE i, Said liam McNeely at number
twenty nine And, grant can you pronounce number?
Speaker 2: Thirty, oh that's.
Speaker 3: Our, Guy Janick Conan. NIEDERHAUSER i don't know anything other
than how to pronounce his. Name CAN i ask you
how mad you think The sons are That Jace richardson
went at twenty five and maybe they were hoping to
get him in the second round, somehow just because of
The michigan state, connection.
Speaker 2: And also also he's a two, guard like that's just
a Double.
Speaker 3: Well we got a question here from Dog Water, JASON
i kind of agree that the fit offensively makes some sense.
There good, driver LIKE i was Reading Sam vasini's right,
up and it's like good like under like good court,
mapping good spatial, Awareness like maybe that translates to like
better playmaking than you might otherwise get that. Position we
still Think orlando needs some more of that, defensively like
he is, smaller like he was one of the most
LIKE i guess disappointing like measurers at the combine right
because it's, like what was he like six to one
in shoes or in socks or something like. That it's
hard to be a huge difference, maker kind of Like
Cole anthony to use that comparison if you just don't
have like good wing size and that's who you're gonna be.
Guarding but, YEAH i don't. KNOW i think MOSTLY i
would be focused on there's a good chance that this
is a huge value like, offensively which is What orlando needs.
Speaker 1: ANYWAY i do wonder, though just because the lack of
usage that we've seen From Jet, howard who actually has
pretty good positional, size if he's not gonna be Able Jace,
RICHARDSON i, mean now give you anything defensively or worry
about him being targeted on defense because he is so.
Small how much do you actually play? Him Because jacquevaughan
is kind of. Jacquvaughan oh my, God Jamal, mosley it's
kind of been predisposed to not. Playing, yeah it's, Late i'm.
Tired look these are typos that we've got typos. Here
that shit, Happens, UH i remember WHAT i was. Saying,
Oh Jamal mosley has been predisposed not to play the
guys who are defensive, liabilities and now you kind of
combine that with and a future modern Says Fred.
Speaker 2: Vanvleetet small can.
Speaker 1: Guard he's also built like Fucking Kyle lowry, Too And
Jace richardson is not like he is strong and.
Speaker 2: Beefy SO i JUST i question WHAT i like the.
Speaker 1: Value but it's JUST i always kind of have this internal,
struggle like IF i were running a team like The
magic are trying to. Contend now that's why you go
and trade all those first round picks For Desmond. Bain
so how much time do you actually get to? Develop
jase richards, SAID i, mean, look we see it. Happen
look what happened With Christian brown In, denver but it
was more so like he played out of necessity because
they were so. Shallow do you Think orlando was there
yet in its back, court especially because he's not a point,
guard like isn't he's more of an off guard, guy, Right, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's unfortunately like point guard, SIZED i mean by modern. Standards,
YEAH i think you're. Right it won't be. Easy WHAT i,
mean if he just lights, out then you probably almost
have to play. Him but he's like he's gonna be,
like is he ahead Of Anthony black in the guard?
ROTATION i doubt? It all, Right so he's your fourth
guard at absolute best with if you assume Sugs Bin,
Black i'm probably forgetting somebody else and then on a
team Where polo And franz are going to handle the ball.
Too like there just may not be a ton of
opportunities For, richardson which is, fine he's a twenty fifth.
Pick but, YEAH i think you're.
Speaker 2: Right, no that's franchise.
Speaker 1: Malpractice and we will now resume critiquing the uh generational,
hater Says Raptors stands are Crucifying Colin Murray boyle online
for looking like he was shaking his head and saying
fuck when The raptors drafted, him maybe he doesn't have his.
Speaker 2: Passport, yeah we ever think of.
Speaker 1: That look he's probably looking at, LIKE i don't, KNOW
i guess Like i'm just gonna be playing crab.
Speaker 2: SPACES i didn't see. THAT i really don't think.
Speaker 1: That i'd be shocked if that was like his Real
the only player in, this like even the Member Joel
embiid when he was drafted By philly at the, time
everyone's trying to reading into. It there's probably always something
like that's a Huge there's always something else going. On
and also these guys have way more intel than we.
DO i know this draft was a bit of a
crap shoot after number two, basically but he probably had
a pretty good idea of where he.
Speaker 2: Was going at that.
Speaker 1: Point so really the only one would be In Ace,
bailey WHO'S i know you didn't Watch.
Speaker 2: Grants i'll inform you this is by the, way shout
out to.
Speaker 1: You it's like, YOU i think it's kind of, easy
but you went five for five to start on those,
picks AND i love this. Bit last year you suggested
to me that we do, this AND i was kind
of skeptical because in my. HEAD i was, like all,
right LIKE i don't know how this is gonna, go
and then it feels like a lot's gonna be on
me to like guide the. Discussion but you once, again
ABSOLUTELY i had faith this. Year THOUGH i had no
faith in you last, year.
Speaker 2: Complete faith in you this. YEAR i love this bit
and shout out.
Speaker 1: To you BECAUSE i feel LIKE i get fomo if
you told ME i couldn't watch the, draft AND i
don't think that like that's a you might downplay it
because you're just that that's who you, are but THAT
i wouldn't be able to do.
Speaker 2: That SO i commend you for getting through.
Speaker 3: It thank. You i'll accept the. COMPLIMENT i WISH i
could remember WHY i suggested it last. Year it was
probably BECAUSE i couldn't watch the. DRAFT i had, like
SO i don't know what that would have. Been but,
uh now we have to keep doing it to see
IF i can go six for six to, start just
just to see like what the what are the upper
limits of OF uh guessing? SUCCESS i will say, Uh
A's bailey like slipping made it a lot more. EXCITING
i was pretty confident he was gonna, slip BUT i
BUT I i don't know.
Speaker 2: That I'll i'll always just we'll have to see how
it turns.
Speaker 1: Out BUT i do Applaud utah for taking him, anyway
because they're in a position where if you think he
has cornerstone, upside like you need that, dude, right, yeah,
risky but, hey, dang you guys are still? Alive rumbor has? It? Uh,
okay this IS fev got two years fifty million.
Speaker 2: Dollars do you think he get more or?
Speaker 1: Less he basically did you notice he basically ran a
bye to get one special grant where it's like that,
well because he was basically gonna make four was it
forty four million? Dollars, yeah so he got two years
and fifty which basically replaced his last. Season so it's, like,
oh you paid for your you gave him my two,
Years i'm gonna give you one for.
Speaker 2: Free basically basically.
Speaker 3: YEAH i mean like that's a screaming deal for The
rockets that that is less THAN i thought he would,
get because it's, like, Why i'm pretty sure he could
expect to make more than six million dollars in free
agency next next, Summer like that's are you sure? SURE
i feel good about? IT i think it's. Likely, yeah
that that ALMOST i like that smacks of like there
was an agreement a wink wink at some point, before
because like ops out of forty four to take fifty
over two. Years, well it was a team, option so
it wasn't all, right you, know never mind forget WHAT i.
Speaker 1: Said, yeah it does make me, question, like so they guaranteed.
Him let's say they guaranteed him one hundred million dollars
over three, years which is actually less than.
Speaker 2: That The raptors weren't willing to do.
Speaker 3: That that's, True, NO i mean that that comes out
THAT i wonder what would he what would Van fleet
have gotten in in unrestricted free? Agency like, Average well
that was.
Speaker 1: Generational hater asked what what team was going to offer
money in free? AGENCY i, mean, yeah there's the whole
there's not cap space floating. Around we're not saying The
raptors should have. Souse we're saying The rocket should have
picked up the team. Option we're just, saying, like he
signs that deal knowing the cap space landscape in twenty twenty,
five so it was just he caught he knew this was,
coming and so this amounts to like a three for
ninety million dollar deal or whatever it ends up. BECOMING
i just that makes The raptor's decision making to let
him leave for nothing look even.
Speaker 3: Worse to me because because that feels like market rate
or like, better like that FEELS i mean from his
like that's pretty that's that's pretty. Good, YEAH i don't
know The rockets are, scary, man that that's just like
a lot they have a lot of good. Players thailand,
says it looks LIKE i missed The asa noule. Chat
how about The hawks getting the single most attractive draft
draft asset To, MILWAUKEE i mean Or New? Orleans, Right,
like it's either one of us looking pretty. Good i've
liked That New orleans.
Speaker 1: Upside, yeah on top of as Of, newell which is
like a solid pickup for them and someone who probably
could be in the rotation from day. One maybe, SURE i,
mean LIKE i don't know how much they actually like
need him now that you Have pors and Uh On
Yaka kunglu, there but like as a third big Like
Larry Nance junior is a free, Agent clickapella is a free.
Agent so but, yeah The, hawks we already mentioned this
tie and so if you go back and watch the.
Replay we didn't take too deep into as And. Newell
we were only doing the lottery. Stuff but The hawks
just Got we like what they've done so, far and
they just got way more fascinating.
Speaker 3: For the rest of this. Offseason, Yeah, grant how are you?
Feeling i'm feeling pretty. GOOD i, mean, LIKE i, uh
is there anything ELSE i could? Guess, like, like just
just not now need a?
Speaker 2: Prediction give us one prediction for the rest of the off.
Speaker 3: Season let's. See, WELL i already said That horford's gonna
be gone From? Boston does?
Speaker 2: That can you tell me where he's? Going are you
putting him on The? Warriors?
Speaker 3: No Because i'm super on the, SPOT i was forget
WHAT i was. Reading you, know my, memory if it
doesn't INVOLVE nba players from the late, nineties it isn't. Good.
Uh there was a team THAT i know that that
based on a move that they had. Made it was
a good team and they just cleared enough to use
the full mid level AND i can't remember who it.
Was AND i was, like, Oh Al horford might go.
There this is all riveting podcasting BECAUSE i can't remember
what team that. Was he's gonna go to that team
wherever it. IS i predict, THAT i predict that we
have fun doing this again next? Year is? That does that?
Count and and uh That i'll enjoy it just as.
Speaker 1: Much we're Not we're not gonna combust like the phoenix
suns in the.
Speaker 3: Sun isn't?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 3: Like do you ever feel BECAUSE i really take shots
at the suns a, lot do you ever feel like
it's time to lay? Off because it's like it's, two.
Speaker 1: Here's the, thing AND i, think and it's okay because
fans like are inextricably tied to their. FANDOMS i am
never insulting an entire fan base at.
Speaker 2: Once And i'm Also i'm very rarely insulting the.
Speaker 1: Players, Yeah I'm i'm prouching UP i.
Speaker 3: Feel and that's HOW i justify it to myself As,
oh the the, billionaire like he's gonna be fine if
someone like me is like giving him a hard, Time
he's never gonna see.
Speaker 1: It he'll keeping do you disagree with? ME i can't
fall asleep at. NIGHT i would imagine THAT hbo is
the same.
Speaker 3: Way he's just just riddled with anxiety and he just
hates he could just feel It i'm sure.
Speaker 1: We did have a comment From Future monitor, Again Chris,
paul who's ever teach McComas? Had are their benefits to
being low to the? Ground jase guarded well in college.
Speaker 3: Too it's probably there's so many short guys in THE, nba,
Right that's probably WHY i height. It, PROBABLY i, mean come, on,
yeah there are, exceptions generally, speaking not great to be.
Speaker 1: Small the defender, great that's his pathway to playing For.
Orlando those they've just shown that they're probably not gonna
play guys even, there even trading For Desmond, bain how
long do we wanted to Get Anthony simon's and Then
i'm getting someone who would not be targeted as often.
Speaker 3: DEFENSIVELY i Respect orlando being kind of uncompromising and, like,
yeah we know we need, offense but we're. Not you've
got a guard or you're just sorry you can't play,
THAT i guess kind.
Speaker 2: OF i.
Speaker 3: LIKE i like having their principled if nothing, Else.
Speaker 2: Uh you have anything? Else are you ready to take
us out of? Here?
Speaker 1: Now that you need to thank you for everyone because
we didn't plan to go. Live this is, like so
there weren't as many people in here as, normal But
we just threw it up randomly BECAUSE i don't want
to edit an entire. Vision that's why the typos are gonna.
Stay Normally i'll go back and post and fix, those but,
uh this is all staying one.
Speaker 3: Take, yeah, perfect got, it got it in. One thanks
everybody for, Listening thanks for, Commenting thanks for. Watching h
this will be up you know you can you, know,
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