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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos, I am Dana Valley coming

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at you with this certified fantabulous co host of mine,

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mister Grant cues we are here to react to the

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twenty twenty five NBA Draft, the first round, since it's

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a two day draft now.

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Speaker 2: But there's a twist.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who watched it last year knows that Grant, being

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the dedicated podcast co host that he is, did not

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pay attention to the first round. He has no idea

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what happened. He did not follow it, wasn't tracking it

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on social media. A lot easier this year with Sean's

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not being allowed to fire off picks like eight selections

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in advance, so he's just going to be We'll go

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through like maybe the top ten or so selections. He

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might try to guess who it was, but we just

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get to see his reaction happening to any transactions live.

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Also throughout the process, we have lots of trades to

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catch up on. I know Blazers fans were clamoring to

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hear us talk about the Nie Simon's Drew holiday trade.

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Speaker 2: That will be folded into this as well.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to get to so we won't

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waste too much of the time. But grant first and

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most importantly foremost, and no pressure. But you're gonna need

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to ramble a little bit to the kids so I

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can go promote this on social media.

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Speaker 2: How the heck are you?

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Speaker 3: I am yours truly in ignorance because and also like, so, yeah,

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this is we have a lot to get to. It's

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a very exciting show. But like, also this is kind

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of just a bit that we I don't know why

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we decided to do it starting last year, but I

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thought it was kind of fun. And it also like

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is a pretty thinly veiled excuse for our dynamic to

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play out in a specific situation, because like, I feel

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like it's pretty often that you're sort of explaining to

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me what's happening in the world, especially like as it

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relates to what's happening online, and there will be a

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lot of that. There will be memes I don't understand

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that you'll have to explain to me, and I mean

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more directly, for what our audience would care about. I

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don't know who picked who, I don't know about any

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trades that may or may not have happened. I'll constantly

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be trying to read your face to see how close

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I am to guessing something correctly. So that'll be fun

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at least for me. Like and then also, as is

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also in keeping with our general dynamic, You've done a

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lot of prep and work and I just sort of

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showed up, and you know, thanks for that. But at

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some point things will even out, I guess. But that's

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a long winded answer just to say that I'm excited

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to be here, excited to talk about the draft, excited

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to learn actually what happened in the draft.

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Speaker 1: So I just before we get started, I want one

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prediction from you, and it could be even a yes

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or no. Okay, do you think that this kept in

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theme with Shams's prediction that we were headed for the

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most craziest offseason in NBA history?

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Speaker 3: I think I think most crazy easiest is like a

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double superlative. I'm not ready to say this draft got there,

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maybe like most crazier. So it's like that's like seventy

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five percent of a double superlative or something, right, I

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don't know it. Uh, it'll be crazy, uh, and it'll

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all be news to me.

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Speaker 1: Most importantly, Well, we're gonna let you guess, so before

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I throw up the number one pick on the screen,

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and this is a tough one. Yeah, the Dallas Matters

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had the number one pick. Do you one think they

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made it?

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Speaker 2: And two? Who do you think that they took with

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said pick?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so, uh, I'm gonna go ahead and

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get out on this, limon say they did keep it

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and they did select Cooper Flag. Feel strongly about that.

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Speaker 1: You are such a soothsayer there, they took Cooper Flag.

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Don't do you have any thoughts about this? Like this

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is a pretty risky pick. I don't know that he

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was the consensus favorite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, but he's a

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better person than player and uh he works incredibly hard.

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me before we started recording that they did take the

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full five minutes to make this pick. And it's just

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like what are we doing? Can we could they have

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just like mailed like snail mailed it in you know,

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three months like once they won the lottery.

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Speaker 1: Well, as you kind of pointed out, like they were

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trying to get that sweet sweet ad revenue and or

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maybe they were trying to figure out how to screw

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up their cap sheet even.

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Speaker 2: Further, who knows what they're like, what they were trying

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Speaker 1: This is I'm so fascinated to see what this team

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becomes with him, though, just because you don't have Kyrie there,

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who just signed his deal three years, one twenty million,

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and they were involved, I can confirm in the Drew

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Holiday sweepstakes. And not only were they involved Grant, but

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the package of PJ. Washington and Daniel Gafford for Drew

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Holliday had been bandied about. That's the exact package that

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we talked about. I think they're probably smart not to

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make that trade, but it does seem like they're gonna

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need to get another ball handler, and if they don't,

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it's gonna be trial by fire for Cooper Flag And

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I was impressed with the film I saw of him,

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of his playmaking out of ball screens, even from the post.

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I just don't know if it's at like NBA speed yet,

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but I guess you might as well learn. It's just

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they seem committed to this window timeline and he's the

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most important player in the building moving forward, though, so

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I don't have I don't make no mistake. I think

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they should have kept the pick. I think they should

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have drafted him. I'm just so interested to see how

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this all comes together, and please, oh please, can we

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get some shooting on this team?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would just expect him to be

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purely additive dud just whatever the role. Like I really

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don't imagine that they're gonna put the ball in his

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hands a ton and be like make the offense go,

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way he's like bringing it up every time and is

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like you're running pick and rolls. I don't know, like

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thirty times a game, Like I don't, I don't see that.

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I think they'll ease him in to maybe more of

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a playmaking role, but like you could just throw you

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go go find a stop gap free agent point guard

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to to do that kind of stuff, and like you'll

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see his playmaking manifest like when we talk to to

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wass Of, just like he's gonna make the connective passes,

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he's gonna make the easy reads, he's gonna like he's

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gonna do all the stuff you would expect the player

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at that position to do, and then anything beyond that

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is just like that'll develop. But there's no way he's

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just running the offense. I can't imagine that. I know

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that's not what you're saying, but but yeah, like maybe

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he'll be overstretched a little bit, but I'm not worried

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about him.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to take a guess at who is

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the number two pick?

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Speaker 3: Well, this was as big a lock as in, I mean,

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as short of Cooper Flag, this has to be Dylan

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that was the signaling all along.

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Speaker 2: Look at you two for two thousand times.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: This is another.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be interested in all these teams,

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but I want to see how they tie it together

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with Dylan Harper, Dearon Fox, Stefan Castle. A lot of

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people seem more optimistic because of what they believe Dylan

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Harper can do off the ball. I still just think

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there might be a push and pull between you have

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three guys who all should get ample opportunities on the ball.

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But you just look at this team from a talent

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perspective right now, and it's just I don't it's a

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weird mix of the have Wenby, they have Daron Fox,

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they have Devin Vessel, Kelden Johnson, Harrit like they could

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win now. But there's also just these two massive like

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prospects in Steph Castle and Dylan Harper now on this team.

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It's just it's it's a weird meld, but I'm excited

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to see it in action.

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Speaker 3: Do you think Dearon Fox is gonna get that the

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max extension? Just like no questions asked? Is it like

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four for two twenty nine or something like that? Do

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you think that's just done?

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Speaker 1: I think if he wanted it, he could get it.

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I don't think he's going to take it, or maybe

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they didn't want to give it to him. A kind

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of part of the process of him coming over was

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you're not gonna get this the full boat here?

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Speaker 2: What do you think, I.

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Speaker 3: Asked, because I would you don't want to play hardball?

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uh when they brought him in, But like if it's

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just because oh we have Castle, like that's not a

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sufficient reason to say, like, oh, maybe we don't need

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him that badly. But now that you have Harper, it's

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kind of like, I mean, do we really want to

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go full boat for a guy that's the speed bass

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player at twenty eight? Like it's just I would it's

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an interesting dynamic, I think beyond the on court stuff

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of like how do you play all these guys together?

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I think like financially you might be in a position

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where you have to go to Fox and say like, hey,

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look like soot so about that. I things have changed

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a little bit. How about a two plus one at

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like thirty five a year or something.

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Speaker 2: Were you surprised at all if they kept this pick?

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Speaker 1: I don't feel like it was really a shocker, especially

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when Giannis kind of took himself off the market a

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couple of weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the I think it should have been

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on the table if Yannis were available, and then that

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just continues to not happen, and so yeah, it's been

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a it's been several weeks. I feel like where they

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just kind of were broadcasting we're going to keep this pick,

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and then everybody agreed it was going to be Harper.

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Speaker 1: Who do you think what number three? So seventy six

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Speaker 2: What? So?

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Speaker 3: I do? One? I do think they kept it. Two,

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there's been so much like back and forth about like

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how how much stock are we gonna put in a

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guy getting bad advice and not doing any workouts, and

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like when's the last time a player like him just

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didn't work out for anybody or didn't do meetings or

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anything like that. So I think the Sixers decided that

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it was not worth the upside being what it is,

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like it's tantalizing. I don't think they picked Bailey, and

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guards maybe in the rotation, I think they kept the

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pick and took edge Comb.

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Speaker 1: Three for three for mister Grant Hughes, and I think

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this was the I know you're worried about, like them

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being too guard heavy. I just think this was the

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right pick when you look at the defensive disruption couple

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that I know a lot of people were kind of

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concerned of what can he become offensively. If he's just

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a play finisher who can make a shots from the perimeter,

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that is perfect for a team that's built around Joelle

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and b Paul George Tyres, Maxie, Quentin Grimes coming back

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by the way, low key, we'll get into this train

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in a little bit. But like Philly also kind of

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picked up a w Terrence Mann going to Brooklyn. I

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would think that makes it far less likely that Brooken

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even thinks about throwing an offer sheet.

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Speaker 2: Quentin Grimes his way.

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Speaker 3: Interesting didn't think about that. So with Edgecomb, do you

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Speaker 2: I don't like the Ola Depot comps.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it does him almost a not that

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it doesn't him a disservice because Pete Oladipo was fantastic,

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but I don't think it's just I think he could

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be better, and more like I think he could do

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a better job of guarding up defensively, ok, And I

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just don't question offensively. I just like Victor Oldipo could

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hit some like ridiculously difficult shots on the ball, and

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more of just like use him in the Trey Murphy

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vein on offense or just someone along those lines. But

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maybe I'm again maybe I'm wrong there.

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Speaker 3: And also like I mean, Jared McCain was the most

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impressive rookie for a fraction of a season in which

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we all agreed the rookies weren't good, and it's so

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it's like, how big of the deal is that if

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Jared McCain is your third guard now? And I guess

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I don't know where he'd be if Grimes is back

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to I get I The only the only thing that

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gives me a little pause is like, is Edgecomb? If

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Edgecomb can guard up then plays plays more like he's

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a six to seven guy, then I'm like, I have

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no issues with this. I mean other than like, yes,

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he needs to develop as a shooter and all that stuff. Okay,

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I'm just mostly I'm just high on me because I

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got come on pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Getting high on your own pretty good.

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Speaker 3: So I really I think I'm gonna mess it up

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because I've been thinking about the next pick, and.

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Speaker 1: Number four is the Charlotte Hornets. Who do you think

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they took?

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Speaker 3: So this becomes the question of how far is Bailey

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gonna fall? And so as I was thinking about this,

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I I I feel like Bailey and Brandon Miller are

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slightly duplicative, and I'm really working hard to talk myself

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out of Bailey there. And I also think, again, if

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you have any concerns like Charlotte is kind of conducting

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itself like a pretty like sober, serious, practical organization. You

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already have LaMelo Ball, who I think like it gets

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a bad rap and we overblow, like the silliness and

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the unseriousness. But if that's even like a tiny concern.

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I also, I don't think you add Ace Bailey to

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that mix, so it's not Bailey here. Then the question

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is do they go malawatch, which feels like a reach,

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or do they go like who's then is who then?

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Is your best player available? I don't think it's Tray Johnson.

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I'm trying to read your face too as I says,

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I don't think it's Tray Johnson. I don't think it's

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malowatch because that's just really high to take him. I

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guess I'm also saying Charlotte kept this pick and didn't

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trade it. Am I right about that? Charlotte does make

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this pick. Charlotte makes this pick. Okay, this is uh,

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this is Conkin.

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Speaker 2: Nipple four for four? Are you cheating, sir?

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Speaker 3: I'm not cheating. I'm not cheating like I think that.

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I think that's what a smart sober organization does, and

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that's what Charlotte is.

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Speaker 1: Now apparently he was the continent hippill ended up being

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like way higher on people's just like big boards than

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I ever expected. Like he was in the top five

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of almost everyone's big boards. And I think putting him

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in Charlotte, where LaMelo one of the I mean, look,

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LaMelo has his flaws, and I realize that I've kind of,

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like you know, defended him more more than most. I'll say,

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but you need to surround him with actual complimentary talent.

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And I think that giving him a shooter like this,

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the likes of which he's never played with before. And

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you kind of dig into the data, it's like Grant

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his teammates catch and shoot three point shooting the past

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three years. These are the percent tiles his teammates have

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ranked in twenty three through twenty twenty five. Twenty twenty three,

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the first percentile, twenty four, the fifteenth percentile. This past year,

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the thirtieth percentile.

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Speaker 2: Conk Nipple comes in.

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Speaker 1: As immediately like what at least the seventy fifth percentile

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of the type of shooter there.

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Speaker 2: So I'm excited to see these two play together.

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you on Charlotte between them and just

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the Wizards too, And we're gonna talk about them in

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a little bit. I don't think people understand like how

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good of a job they're actually doing. In Charlotte, there's

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a lot of like block contracts and like they do

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do they have the guy on the roster? How do

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you feel about Brandon Miller? The t John Salon pic

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doesn't look great. But I can't I don't want to

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spoil anything else because we got to talk about Charlotte

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actually in a little bit oh interestingly, But I love

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this pick for Fit. It's just I had wondered if

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he would have been the best player available. I think

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you can easily make the case because from what I

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did have watched of Conkin Nipple, He's builds like this shooter,

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this motion shooter, and there's like there's more there. You

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can do some stuff off ball screens, there's a driving game.

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I think he needs some more directionality to it. He

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plays a little bit more physical. I love this pick

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for Charlotte.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really like it. I mean I like it

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for mainly because I was right about it.

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Speaker 2: Uh, four for four.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you started off last year, Mellos,

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Go check and see what he was. Although we do

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have by the way, someone proposed, I laughed I sat

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of the comments that we now call our.

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Speaker 2: Subscribers and listeners hard woodies. That's some sicko ship.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't hate it. Uh. I didn't even

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think about the the the LaMelo like three point set

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up stuff when it came to Canipple. That's like as

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good an argument as anything Dan, Danny Min's and your

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I am a hard woody. We see you, You're you're seen.

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Speaker 2: You have an excellent first name.

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Speaker 3: To sir, do you feel have you ever been to Danny?

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Speaker 2: Uh? My sister, My sisters call me, that is, they

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used to.

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Speaker 1: They used to call me when I was younger because

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I was a little on the poor here side. Danny

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devours desserts triple D.

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Speaker 2: So that's what I was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's well, Guy Fierre's gonna be mad at you

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because that's Diner's drive ins and dives. So I you

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can't call yourself.

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Speaker 1: Whe do you think he got that idea from? Because

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I I predate right, how long is Diner's drive?

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Speaker 3: You must you must.

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Speaker 1: I would just like to point out that this is

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clearly a tangent, but I did find a way to

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bring it back to the hornets. I of course found

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a way to make the number four pick about LaMelo Ball.

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Speaker 2: That is the for me.

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Speaker 3: Well what else are you gonna talk about? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Cool?

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Speaker 3: So the fifth pick is Utah. And now the question

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again is how far is like Bailey is like the

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most intriguing figure in this draft. I'm tempted to send

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him to Utah just because that makes the least sense.

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And I never once thought about him going to Utah

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at all. But then he didn't work out for anybody.

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But who was I think like Brooklyn. If he was

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steering himself anywhere, was Brooklyn and that's like a long

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way away, it would be kind of a flex it was.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you the two teams he was trying

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to get to were Washington in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and that's six and eight. He's not going. I

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have a strong feeling about seven that I've been on

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for a long time. It's he's Ace. Bailey is not

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going to the Pelicans at seven. Why would the Jazz? Well, okay,

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let's make the case for Utah. Uh, they have no cornerstones.

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They need the highest upside players they can get, because

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that's what they don't have. Bailey would fit that bill.

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But that seems like such a like a risky thing

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to do. I wouldn't hate it. And then who else

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is here? Trey Johnson is like the next highest guy

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on the draft board. I don't like, They're not going

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Murray Boyles, not going Queen, They're not going to malawatch Man.

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Does Utah take Ace Bailey?

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Speaker 2: Dan?

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to read your face.

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Speaker 2: You know they have to. I can't tell you until

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you lock it?

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Speaker 3: Have you?

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Speaker 2: Like you've named like eight different people pick one?

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Speaker 3: Okay, uh, I just why would they take Johnson? Why

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would they they are not gonna take malwatch who.

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Speaker 1: I do find it funny that you I do find

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it funny that you think Utah has the level of

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prospects to where they have to look at these guys

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and say, oh, we can't take Trey Johnson because of

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who who on the ro Because.

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Speaker 3: Because Trey Johnson I don't think is regarded by anybody

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is like could be a superstar, right Like, I don't know,

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maybe I'm misreading that, and I think Bailey is the

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only guy left that is just like, oh, someone BJ

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says Grant is correct? What does that mean? I've said

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so many things? Okay, Ace Bailey to the Jazz because.

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Speaker 2: Why not lock it in five for five.

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Speaker 1: We need to turn off the comments section next time

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you are five.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I wouldn't have done it if he

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hadn't said that. Oh that's an asterisk. Why did they

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do that?

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Speaker 2: Why did they do that?

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Speaker 1: Because he was I think clearly the most talented play

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in the draft for that, because it's the cornerstone play.

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Speaker 3: Right again, I don't hate it.

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Speaker 1: And as by the way they bj pointed out in

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the chat as well, but like they he wants the

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ball in his hands because that's why he was trying

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to steer himself too. Maybe he doesn't want to live

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in Utah. I get preferring Brooklyn or Washington. Okay, sure

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this is the team that First of all, they have

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no wings aside from Cody Williams, so you're guaranteed playing

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minutes off rip. And yeah, you could say, oh they

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have Keyante George and Isaiah Collier. There's no one on

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this team who's going to actually take the ball out

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of Ace Bailey's hands, like more than as like unreasonable,

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like Larry Market is more of a play finisher, and

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I think look between having Kessler behind you, Larry Market

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in spacing and movement. If they could just get like

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another shooter in here, like he would be insulated pretty

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well to be in an environment I think where he

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could develop his offensive tools quite nicely right off the

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bat that I get.

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Speaker 3: I see it, Yeah, I could see it. I wonder

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how he feels about it, But I could see it

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from Utah's perspective, just like we we gotta we don't

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have a guy. We don't have the guy. We don't

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have anybody that like projects as as the guy, and

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that's a huge problem three years into a rebuild. I yeah,

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I get it from their perspective. I just like, yeah, no,

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it makes it. I'm still surprised. I like, I just

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I just ran out of other ideas, Like I'll be

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fascinated to see, like what his role is if he

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does get to go there and be someone that's on

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the ball constantly and like he seems to want to be.

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It's it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to take a step at number six? Now?

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Speaker 3: Who's got six?

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Speaker 2: The Wizards? Who's got six? Did you pay attention to

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the draft at all?

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Speaker 3: No, let's see.

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Speaker 2: You need it.

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Speaker 1: You can't look at the comments anymore. We are people

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spoiling picks that are okay, we're going to talk about

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all the picks. But Grant can't look at the you

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just showed them on stage.

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Speaker 3: You just don't don't.

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Speaker 2: Click on the comments tab, that's all you.

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Speaker 3: I got my hand up right now. I can't see

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the comments.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I keep saying, Trey Johnson, that's well, they wouldn't take fears.

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Fear Fears is going to the Pelicans at seven. I

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feel very confident about that, have for a long time.

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I'll guess that they reached on Colin Murray Boyles just

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because they don't have a defensive guy like that. We

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locking it in, Yeah, we're locking it in. Final answer, Eh.

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Speaker 2: That's your first mess. Good run though, five of five.

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Speaker 3: Dumb guess Why did I guess that?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so that's all right, Johns.

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Speaker 1: This is we all know that I wasn't like the

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biggest Trey Johnson fan, but like, this is such a

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good landing spot for him because they have so many

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just shoot the ball, like and you got rid of

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Jordan Poole and you have like high character vets there

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and we'll see how long they stay. But like McCollum

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and Middleton and even Marcus Smart. So it's just like

477
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,880
and there's also the guys around him. When you look

478
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:31,519
at sar Kola Bali, Bob Carrington, Keyshawn George, they're all

479
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,720
very plug and play, and I think like his you

480
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:37,319
put his shooting in here, that opens up stuff for

481
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,599
Sar bub Carrington if you want him to get a

482
00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:41,880
little extra room pressure or do more damage inside the

483
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,839
arc A Kolabali of course, I was not a big

484
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,640
Tray Johnson guy. But aside from reaching on like you

485
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,279
know him in love with Carter Bryant and Colin Murray,

486
00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:55,839
boyles like this is I actually think that this is

487
00:21:55,839 --> 00:21:57,680
a really good pick. By what it just makes so

488
00:21:57,799 --> 00:21:58,839
much sense for the roster.

489
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,039
Speaker 3: It is it it is, and it does. And I

490
00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:04,480
overthought that why, like why yeah, just he they don't

491
00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:07,519
have this guy. They have guys that we like kulibally

492
00:22:07,599 --> 00:22:09,680
that we hope will be good enough shooter like this

493
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,640
he just comes in with like a carrying skill.

494
00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:14,279
Speaker 1: Is there any of all the guys they've drafted now,

495
00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:16,519
don't they just have like their primary picks? I mean,

496
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,400
like do they just have a five man lineup in

497
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,039
theory where it's Keishawn George Kulibali saw Carrington.

498
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: And Trey Johnson kind of there, and they're not even small.

499
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's trade, he's trade the smallest of that

500
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,400
maybe bubb Is I can't like, but they're all around

501
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,880
the six five sixty six area.

502
00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:35,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, the positional size. And if there's any Johnson can

503
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,240
really be a plus shooter, which like all, there's no

504
00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:40,799
If there's questions about him, it's not will he make

505
00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:43,720
open shots? Right like, so at least in theory, he'll

506
00:22:43,799 --> 00:22:46,839
just do that. Okay, I'm a well upset that was

507
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,000
I should I don't know why I overthought that one. Okay, so, uh,

508
00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:53,759
the New Orleans Pelicans are taking I predicted that fears

509
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:57,519
would not fall lower than seven. Uh, even with Jordan

510
00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:00,880
Poole there. Now, I just like they they I've just

511
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,240
had locked in fears to the Pelicans.

512
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,279
Speaker 1: You six or seven's not bad for you, Gret, I'll

513
00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:08,200
take it. I mean, that's actually really good.

514
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 3: That's the least surprise. I mean other thing Flag and

515
00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:12,319
Harper like that. I just I don't know why I

516
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,839
just got locked into that one.

517
00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: What is What are your thoughts on you had some

518
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,200
pretty strong thought or not strong, but you were hesitant. Yeah,

519
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,359
you had concerns about Jeremiah Fears when we were doing

520
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:25,079
our draft prep.

521
00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the the smaller guard with shooting questions.

522
00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:33,759
It's just there just aren't a lot of those guys

523
00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,160
that become like plus starters. Like I mentioned Garland when

524
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,960
we talked to WATS, Like Garland is, you know, is

525
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,640
kind of the exception that proves the rule, I feel like,

526
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,000
because there aren't a lot of other players with fears

527
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:51,000
profile and specific weaknesses at that position that like have

528
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,160
done well. He can develop certainly, and obviously the Pelicans

529
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,480
are banking on that. But but yeah, like I that's

530
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,160
a positional type that increasingly I'm just like a little

531
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,039
more worried about than I used to be, if you

532
00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:03,200
know what I mean. I don't know, I don't know

533
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,480
if that's founded on much, but that's just kind of

534
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,599
the feel I have right now.

535
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: So Number eight is the Brooklyn Nets, And I'm gonna

536
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:16,319
give you this hint. Okay, this is like Dan's basketball

537
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,839
porn pick oh that they made?

538
00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: Hmm did they take Derek Queen?

539
00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: Are you locking that in?

540
00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:26,839
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'll lock that in I don't know why

541
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,200
I decided you liked him.

542
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 2: You're wrong. It was jeg Or Denham.

543
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I am not so excited. You talking about

544
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,799
a team that can put the ball in just his

545
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,960
hands and he has I said, he has like a

546
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:43,359
he plays like a similar type to Luka Dancic when

547
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,599
he feels like the cadence to his game. The jumper

548
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,480
is a big question. I'm interesting how that works. But

549
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:50,519
him just like kind of working under Jordi Fernandez. I

550
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:52,519
think this is I don't know if you want to

551
00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:54,440
call to reach or a gamble, but like we're kind

552
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,519
of in the draft territory where it was okay, who.

553
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: Were you just like, oh they didn't take him? Or

554
00:24:58,440 --> 00:24:59,319
they are they kidding me?

555
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,599
Speaker 3: So do you think he's got I mean, he's gonna

556
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:06,640
play point guard essentially for them, because I know that

557
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,880
when we talked to Wass he was kind of like,

558
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,519
there are quite that is what he does well is

559
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:13,759
he's he's a good passer. He makes a lot of

560
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,319
like risky turnovers, but like, do you think that is

561
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,960
gonna be like, because again, if you're gonna try to tank,

562
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,200
like putting the ball in the hands of someone who's

563
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,839
like very gifted but is gonna make a lot of

564
00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:25,960
mistakes is not the worst approach. You think he's just

565
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,440
gonna be like running the show more or less.

566
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: Who else would be my first? If not him, then who?

567
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that that's gonna be a fascinating

568
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,559
team to watch, a sneaky good tank move too. The

569
00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:39,519
more I think about.

570
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:41,599
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, I love this pick and I think that, look,

571
00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:43,599
he'll be able to do some stuff off the ball

572
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,799
as well. And the way that Jordan Fernandez just seems

573
00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:48,039
like I know we only have like a one year sample,

574
00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:51,759
but just able to extract value from players that you

575
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:53,960
wouldn't necessarily expect or like gets them to do things

576
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,839
like cam Thomas just getting a little bit better as

577
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:58,960
a passer, getting a little bit better defensively under him,

578
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,039
I think is a big deal. So I'm excited about

579
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:02,799
the yeg Or Demon pick, and I'm I'm really just

580
00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:05,039
happy that he went to a team I was wondering, like, oh,

581
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,000
is he gonna slip to like an Okac at fifteen

582
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,759
or twenty four for summer. I didn't think we'd get

583
00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:11,720
to twenty four and then just won't play. But like

584
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,240
this is a team that's gonna play him.

585
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a I mean, that's a fascinating pick. I

586
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,559
like it feels like a reach. Yeah, but but I

587
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,960
kind of like I like that reach.

588
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,599
Speaker 1: Who do you think went at number nine? Also a

589
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:25,440
pick that was bandied about in quite a bit of

590
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,000
trade rumors.

591
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:27,839
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to remind me who has nine because

592
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:29,880
I don't like to have no information in front of

593
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,200
me because it'll spoil it for me.

594
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 2: The Toronto Raptors at number nine.

595
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: Oh, they were supposed to trade this pick, weren't they. Dan,

596
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,599
we haven't had a trade. I can't just say like

597
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,400
they traded it. That'd be a lame. I'm gonna guess

598
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,599
what do they need? They need? Three point shooting? They

599
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:53,480
need I don't know, a superstar. I'm gonna say, did

600
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,920
they take No? Why would they do? I'm thinking, like, uh,

601
00:26:57,039 --> 00:27:01,799
a name that I'll butcher U Yakucionish from Illinois. It's

602
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,640
kind of the last like semi interesting guard Jase Richardson's.

603
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: I would just say I one like insistence would be

604
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,640
think about who runs the Toronto Raptors Before you go

605
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:15,480
too far down though?

606
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: What do they need?

607
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: They they took final answer, that's wrong, calinary boyles. I

608
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:27,039
thought that that is the most Let's get like a shorter,

609
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:32,160
squattier Scottie Barnes. Okay, I don't hate the pick, but

610
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,039
I'm just like, what are they doing? Could we get

611
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:35,279
some shooting on this team?

612
00:27:35,319 --> 00:27:36,319
Speaker 2: For the love of god?

613
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: That's rough, I mean, And that's what.

614
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:39,319
Speaker 2: Do you think?

615
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.

616
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,839
Speaker 1: Are you're not playing him with yaka pertl Right, well

617
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,319
I guess you are. I would just like to point

618
00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:54,759
out that now Chris Bouchet has become a necessity because

619
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:56,480
they need some floor spacing in the front court.

620
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, bring him back, but like even with like

621
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,839
I don't even love him with Barnes, like that's just.

622
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: No, it's but it's it is sort of like this

623
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,880
is just like Project, but it's a different Project six'

624
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,759
nine er over, Again except it's not that you just

625
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:14,839
have a bunch of different guys who don't necessarily need

626
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,920
to be tethered to a, position but they all have

627
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:20,400
either redundancies in their weaknesses.

628
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: Or strength with one.

629
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: Another SO i but look his defense, though and like

630
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,119
The raptors play a very aggressive style of, defense or

631
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,599
they can Under Darko, Ryakovic Like i'm excited to see

632
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:33,960
what he can do in the defense that has A

633
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,880
Scottie Barnes jamal shed being on this team a healthy.

634
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,079
Speaker 2: Manual, QUICKLY i do.

635
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: Think to, me when we're looking at the fallout from this,

636
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,960
PICK i think that The raptors are gonna and LIKE

637
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,519
i would almost guarantee they're trading one Of Yaku perl

638
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:49,039
or R J barrett at this point over the.

639
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:53,519
Speaker 3: Offseason, YEAH i, mean it's just the shooting is such a.

640
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,119
PROBLEM i, get, LIKE i don't, know Maybe Brandon ingram

641
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,000
is really gonna keep the, volume uh and like quickly

642
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,599
We'll but even then it's just like your whole front

643
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:04,359
court rotation is gonna have questions about the, Spacing LIKE i,

644
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,440
DON'T i don't. Know maybe maybe the.

645
00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: Would have made you feel better about then it's.

646
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,039
Speaker 3: Well you got you sent me up all?

647
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:15,279
Speaker 2: Right?

648
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: Interesting so, ten who's got to well here can we?

649
00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:21,559
Speaker 1: Now so the part of the hook of this podcast

650
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:24,079
is going to be where we lied to because there

651
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,759
was all these trades that were supposed to. Happen there

652
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,799
was only one trade in the top, ten and it

653
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:32,160
happened days before it happened On game. Seven The sun's

654
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,359
got the number Ten pig's part of THE kd. Trade

655
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,119
SO i would just like to say we were, hoodwinked.

656
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,079
Speaker 2: Bamboozled Let astray run them.

657
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: UP i will not Forgive sean's for saying this is

658
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,960
gonna be the most craziest offseason. Ever i'm really just

659
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,759
kidding BECAUSE i was getting fed up actually with the

660
00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:50,279
amount of transactions that were going, down like even before the, Fire,

661
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,960
like what was the trade that actually made me angry

662
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:53,640
that it?

663
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:55,319
Speaker 2: Happened it was it happened late at.

664
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,799
Speaker 1: Night i'd taken an edible AND i, LIKE i actually turned,

665
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:00,480
down like an editor asked to come in to DO

666
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:02,599
i was like, no Like i'm, High like this isn't,

667
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:04,599
Happening like this is gonna be a? Mess was it

668
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,319
was that the The boston trade With simon's And Drew

669
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:08,359
holiday that broke late at.

670
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: Night later at, NIGHT i just thought it was Saving

671
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,240
so you thought you, yeah place you.

672
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: Weren't but my point be, like there's gonna be all this.

673
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:18,880
Movement you're the top of the, draft lo and, behold

674
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,319
absolute jackshit. Happened SO i FEEL i feel lied To.

675
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,079
Speaker 2: Grant but you. Know with that, said who do you

676
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:27,960
think went to The sons at number?

677
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: Ten, well NOW i Got i'm gonna guess A malowatch.

678
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,119
AGAIN i will SAY i would have thought hard About Carter,

679
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,319
bryant but it was spoiled in the chat for. ME

680
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,160
i assume this is true that he went to The

681
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:39,599
spurs at.

682
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,599
Speaker 1: Fourteen, yeah you talk about The spurs had like basically

683
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,759
my favorite draft because you end up With Dylan harper

684
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:48,480
And Carter. Bryant, so, yes you were right. Again so

685
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:50,319
where are you? Now you've only missed on, Three you're

686
00:30:50,359 --> 00:30:50,759
seven of?

687
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: Ten, right take.

688
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: It but we're gonna pivot right into the next element

689
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:57,799
of this because it's not a. Pick it's, well there

690
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,599
is a pick, involved it's a. Trade so minutes after

691
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:04,359
or BEFORE i don't even, remember but these, two these

692
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,079
these auto events happened one right after the. Other, basically

693
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,640
The sun's Drafted malawatch and traded For Mark.

694
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: Williams what so.

695
00:31:13,119 --> 00:31:17,559
Speaker 1: The trade is The Charlotte hornets GET i didn't include the,

696
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:19,279
name and the graphics are, everybody but they got the

697
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:24,519
number twenty nine, pick which turned Into leam, McNeely and

698
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,440
they also got a twenty twenty nine first round. Pick

699
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,039
it'll be the worst Of, Cleveland minnesota And. UTAH i

700
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:32,559
think there's top five protection on The minnesota. Pick The

701
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,480
sun's Got Mark, williams who's extension. Eligible what is going

702
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:39,680
on In? PHOENIX i just don't. Like so is the

703
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,680
idea to you Want Mark? Williams you could pay him

704
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,519
and then you just won't Play mallawatch? Enough or do

705
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,759
you you both these players as guys who can do

706
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,200
like fifteen minutes a.

707
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,079
Speaker 3: Pop do you do you think That Nick richards went

708
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:56,559
to the front office and was, like, guys there's there's

709
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,039
SOMEONE i used to play with and he started over.

710
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,839
Me and if you Think i'm, good go get this other,

711
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,559
guy and That's Mark. Williams do you think That Nick

712
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,279
richards just got himself? Demoted like? Accidentally this is also

713
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,759
not as good of a package as The hornets initially

714
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:14,200
got from The, lakers Which i'm never ever gonna get.

715
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,599
OVER i, know, like what why Is Mark williams valued this?

716
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,000
Highly the GUY i don't, know like he's, fine but

717
00:32:20,039 --> 00:32:23,680
he's never, healthy and, like, YEAH i DON'T i don't like. It,

718
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,200
Why LIKE i, think why not just play? Malowatch you're

719
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,559
gonna Ask malwatch to do like two things like just

720
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,359
catch lobs and rebound and block or three and block,

721
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,160
Shots like why can't a rookie do?

722
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: That That Carter bryant would have made so much sense

723
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,319
to you if your tray For Mark williams and it's just,

724
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,559
like doesn't this kind of, say, okay we're out on

725
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:45,680
the OsO I gadaro experience a little bit.

726
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: Too oh, yeah R.

727
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,079
Speaker 3: I p Like gudaro. EXPERIENCE i enjoyed that. EXPERIENCE i

728
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:51,960
like push shots and good short roll.

729
00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: Passing or maybe to be fair To, Phoenix Mark williams

730
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,720
has played in like an average of nine games a.

731
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 3: SEASON i was gonna, say don't be fair To phoenix

732
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,359
and then you, weren't SO i appreciate. It uh, YEAH

733
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,799
i don't think The suns are transacting. Intelligently do you?

734
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:08,000
Do you think that's?

735
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:10,759
Speaker 2: Shocking the matt should be a run.

736
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:14,039
Speaker 1: Team, well if this is what happens when he removes

737
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:16,880
himself from basketball decisions or, no he's in so, no

738
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:17,519
he's more.

739
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:21,799
Speaker 3: Involved he's more, involved which so status. Quo yeah, NO

740
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,119
i think, look Maybe Mark williams will stay healthy and

741
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,559
he'll be he'll be a If Mark williams plays sixty five,

742
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:37,400
Games is he the fourteenth best center in the? League,

743
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:38,240
like is?

744
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: That is?

745
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: That where like he's not a top ten center right

746
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,319
in any REALISTIC i just here's my.

747
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: THING i, know it was the number twenty nine, pick

748
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,839
and we're talking about a pick that's probably gonna be

749
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,519
number twenty.

750
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: Five but you don't give up two first.

751
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,359
Speaker 1: Round picks for an injury prone non star who might

752
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,160
be a top fifteen player at his, position who's about

753
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,920
to get a new contract unless we get word that

754
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,640
he signs an extension that's like four years and twenty

755
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,519
million dollars or some ludicrous shit like.

756
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:08,519
Speaker 2: THAT i. DON'T i just IT'S i feel so bad

757
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:09,800
For suns. FANS i just.

758
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,679
Speaker 1: Rough it's, like this is like you're Reaching bull's level of,

759
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,039
incompetence just you haven't sustained it for his.

760
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 3: THOMB i mean, this it's some very different types of.

761
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,360
Incompetence but, YEAH i don't. Know Maybe Mark williams will

762
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:24,920
be great and we'll be, wrong but it's just like

763
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:28,840
the likeliest outcome is he's gonna miss a ton of

764
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,039
the season and not be a difference maker when he's.

765
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:33,519
Speaker 1: HEALTHY i also my final thing here when you look

766
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:36,400
At malawatch And Mark, williams and Maybe malawatch develops into

767
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,039
this BIG i love the idea Of Devin booker alongside

768
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:42,360
a big man who can like make more decisions with the,

769
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,480
ball whether like An osogadar out of the short roll

770
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,079
or maybe someone who win the ball on the. Floor

771
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,519
even use Of nurkic is. Passing and now you've made

772
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,880
a couple of. Decisions you've decided by cornering the market

773
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,519
on all the shooting guards That Devin booker is now

774
00:34:55,559 --> 00:34:58,199
your point guard, still and you've decided that he's just

775
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,480
never gonna play with one of those decisions making pigs

776
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,119
at this Like Nick richards doesn't do that. Stuff Mark

777
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:05,000
williams has shown it like a little, bit but you

778
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,920
don't want him putting the ball on the. Floor and Then, Malawatch,

779
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,639
okay he's gonna be a. Rookie let's see what happens.

780
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:12,760
Here BUT i don't like what's happening In. Phoenix IF

781
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,719
i Was Devin, BOOKER i would not be signing that.

782
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 2: Extension no theory of.

783
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: This, team, Well i'd be signing it and then demanding

784
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,320
A trade's one hundred and fifty million.

785
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: Bucks yeah you might as. Well just who do you think?

786
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:26,519
Speaker 1: Was we can now get back to the draft, picks

787
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:27,760
and we're into number eleven.

788
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 3: Territory let's see this would be.

789
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: AND i will tell you there was a.

790
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: Trade oh it was supposed to Be, portland but they

791
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,440
did not make the.

792
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:38,639
Speaker 2: Pick oh.

793
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 3: Fascinating, WELL i mean, THIS i don't. Know that doesn't

794
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,000
help or hurt. Anything i'm this is where it's like

795
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:48,679
we we could dispense with the bit at any, time

796
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,360
because now it's just there's like five or six names

797
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,159
That i'll just recycle a bunch of. TIMES i forget

798
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:55,199
who that was last YEAR i kept saying somebody over

799
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,280
and over and he didn't get. Picked Forever i'll, say,

800
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:01,760
uh this pick that Was portland's and is not theirs.

801
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,119
Anymore then it's just like a throwne a. Dart this

802
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,480
is this Is Derek. Queen how about?

803
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 1: That it is Not Derek. Queen it Is Cedric coward

804
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:16,119
went to The Atlanta Memphis. Grizzlies excuse, me they got

805
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,639
number Eleven Cedric coward and they Sent Yong hanson the

806
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,239
number sixteen, Pick orlando's twenty twenty eight first, rounder and

807
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:29,079
two second round picks to get. This that, is they

808
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:31,920
must be pretty sure That Cedric coward's like the guy

809
00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:32,559
they really.

810
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:35,199
Speaker 3: Like Cedric coward is What i'm divining from. THIS i

811
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,280
Also Jong hanson is not the name of someone THAT

812
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,840
i HAVE i, know so we should also well that's

813
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:43,400
indicator That, well there's the.

814
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,199
Speaker 1: Meme so because we're not gonna, go we'll have a

815
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,719
wrap up afterwards where we go through the.

816
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:47,599
Speaker 2: Pick so there was the.

817
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:50,079
Speaker 1: Meme he was drafted by The grizzlies at number. SIXTEEN

818
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,480
i think it Was Jonathan gavoni went ON espn and,

819
00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:55,320
said this is the biggest reach of the draft so.

820
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,960
Far but they talked about his, work, ethic all the

821
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,679
stuff he could. Do but that's the meme where it

822
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,679
WAS i said young To Scoot henderson in The blazers locker,

823
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,360
room and it's The Adam silver Learn chinese buddy meme

824
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:07,280
that you.

825
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: Vaguely knew, existed vaguely new. EXISTENCE i mean the TWENTY

826
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:13,639
i bump on The orlando twenty eight, first but then

827
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:15,360
we spent a lot of time talking about, like, well

828
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,679
unless something goes very wrong for the magic that's in

829
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,559
the mid, twenties probably so big. Deal still a first,

830
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:25,800
though to move up five, spots that's. Interesting, okay, yeah

831
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,760
the better be the, guy, Right.

832
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: Uh and The blazers are having an offseason. Grant because

833
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,159
we have not talked about The Drew holiday, trade this.

834
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 2: Feels like a good spot to talk about.

835
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: It so just as the trade, details The celtics Got

836
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,000
Anthony simons has a year and twenty seven point seven

837
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:44,079
million left on his, deal followed by The blazers Getting

838
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,079
Drew holliday with three years and one hundred and four

839
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:48,920
point four left on his. Deal i'm SORRY i have

840
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:51,639
this the assets, backward but The celtics also Got New

841
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,320
york's twenty thirty second round pick And portland got In

842
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,559
portland's twenty thirty one second round. Pick so it was

843
00:37:57,639 --> 00:37:59,880
got two second round picks And Anthony simon's on a

844
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:03,440
spiring deal For Drew. Holiday what did you make of this?

845
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:05,400
Trade what do you make of what The blazers are?

846
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: Doing, yeah because that is the more interesting side to talk,

847
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,840
about right because The celtics are saving money not just

848
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,800
the next, year but they're also just like those other

849
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:21,239
two years Of holiday's contract. DISAPPEAR i forget who said.

850
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,880
It it might have. BEEN i don't want to miscredit,

851
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,360
it but the idea, being if this strikes you as,

852
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,039
weird it probably just means That portland thinks they're better

853
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:33,679
than you do and believes, that you know WHAT i,

854
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:36,360
mean it's and thinks that they have a chance to

855
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,280
like actually do, something which is not a crazy thing to.

856
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,599
Think it does The Portland when we Did portland's, offseason

857
00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:46,000
like some of their needs were. SHOOTING i guess you've

858
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,480
got to believe That holiday's three point shooting will continue

859
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,320
to hold up just as the rest of his game.

860
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:55,519
Slips but even, THEN i feel Like simon's because of

861
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,639
his ability to get off different kinds of threes and

862
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,320
just his youth and the. Volume like you you are

863
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,639
making a shooting, DOWNGRADE i, Think And i'm Aware holiday

864
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:10,199
was like forty something percent last. Year it Makes portland's

865
00:39:10,199 --> 00:39:12,880
defense pretty, nuts, right like it was already a strength

866
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:13,280
and like.

867
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: Now top five for like half the, year and now

868
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,639
you Add Drew, holliday, who even if he, SLIPPED i

869
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:21,280
think that was more about The celtics futst with his

870
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,239
matchups a little bit more last year and like SO

871
00:39:24,519 --> 00:39:29,280
i you have. Him Timanti Kamara Denny, Avda Donovan. KLINGEN i,

872
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,559
Mean Jeremy grant can still get things done on the defensive,

873
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:34,559
end and, Like Jeremy grant is coming off the bench,

874
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:38,400
NOW i actually, SO I i. Do i'm sitting here, wondering,

875
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,519
like did they really have to include the seconds For Drew.

876
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:42,320
Holiday it's, like if we want to quibble over that

877
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,559
this team needs shooting Badly Andthony simons was their best,

878
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,960
shooter AND i think you could make the case perhaps

879
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,239
their only shooter if we're being, like yeah To Monic

880
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,440
mars getting his, threes but like not the type of

881
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,199
three is That Anthony simons is going to.

882
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,119
Speaker 2: Hit WHAT i will say is.

883
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: That people still get too caught up in the fact,

884
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,960
that oh my, god look at that. Contract they're planning

885
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:06,239
on trying to do something with your holiday this. Season

886
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,000
they're gonna be two years left on that deal, afterwards

887
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,480
cap space does it never meant To portland what it

888
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,199
did to other. Teams it means even less now the

889
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,960
way that free agency is, headed and if free agency

890
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,920
is gonna reinvent, ITSELF i have news for. People it's

891
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,199
not happening within one of the next two. Summers and

892
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,840
so if it happens by twenty twenty, seven he's just

893
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,559
an expiring. Contract and you can, say, oh it makes

894
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:31,519
it harder for them to save teams, money, sure but

895
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:35,840
how often do we see really big trades where the

896
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,440
salaries are just so, Lopsided like even What boston has

897
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,880
done this offseason has not been. That The Christaps porzingis

898
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,239
trade is the closest they came to, it and that's

899
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,280
like he was on an expiring contract, himself and they

900
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,800
used a team that had cap, space like more cap

901
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,719
space than anyone in the league could even. Fathom SO

902
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,719
i look at this and, say, yeah does it feel

903
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,599
Like portland is acting a little too urgently? Here, YEAH

904
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:02,239
i would say, yes like this is this a trade

905
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:02,760
THAT i would have?

906
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: Made probably, Not.

907
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: But it's also, Okay like their defense is gonna be

908
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,000
hell fire and it already was hell, fire and we

909
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,079
just saw, that, like, Oh Drew holliday's contract was kind

910
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:14,920
of an asset or at least not a net. Negative

911
00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:17,239
so it's only going to get. SHORTER i know he's

912
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,119
gonna get, older but he's a high character. Guy and,

913
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:21,719
finally BECAUSE i know you want to say, something Having

914
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,920
Scoot henderson And Shaden sharp like under the influence Of Drew,

915
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,239
holliday there are far worse THINGS i could imagine for this.

916
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,800
Team AND i think the bigger issue for me is

917
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,440
we mentioned, like, okay the, shooting BUT i like tongue in.

918
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,920
Cheek Is Jeremy grant coming off the?

919
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: Bench are you?

920
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,039
Speaker 1: Start like is one Of shade And sharp And Scoot

921
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:40,559
henderson just permanently coming off the? Bench and is it

922
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,000
gonna Be? Scoot LIKE i do wonder part of me

923
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:45,800
if the plan is to Start Drew, HOLLIDAY i do

924
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,440
sit here a little bit and, wonder, like, well what

925
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:51,000
is the plan With Scoot henderson and or less Likely

926
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:51,360
shade And?

927
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 3: Sharp that is WHAT i was gonna get, to is

928
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,079
like part half of me is LIKE i kind of

929
00:41:56,199 --> 00:42:00,880
love The Holiday sharp, fit AND i like The Holiday

930
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,159
scoot fit better THAN i do With simons in his.

931
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,599
Place in either case it and it's the other half

932
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,360
is can you play all three? Together but that was

933
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,039
also an issue With simons right, like because so LIKE I,

934
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,639
i the problem, persists and SO i GUESS i come

935
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:26,280
out mostly positive BECAUSE i just like the. Duo in

936
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,280
either case Of holiday With sharp or With, SCOOT i

937
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,920
can see that making more sense Than simon's in his.

938
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:35,239
Place but, YEAH i don't know what that because, you,

939
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,079
oh you can play him at the, three because sure

940
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:38,760
he can guard, up he can guard fours if you

941
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,239
need him. To but then it's, like, WELL i really

942
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,480
Want avdia and kamaraw on the floor as much as,

943
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,360
Possible so what? Where so, yeah it would BE i

944
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,760
would be, discouraged wouldn't You if that Meant scoots coming

945
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,119
off the bench again in his third. YEAR i feel

946
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:51,559
like that would be.

947
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: Discouraged but maybe that's not what you. Do but Then i'm, wondering,

948
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,800
okay is? It so can you Start Drew, Sharp, Henderson

949
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,480
avdya And klingon who then so you're Bringing jeremy Gran

950
00:43:01,559 --> 00:43:04,159
DeAndre eight and off the. Bench that's, which by the,

951
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,079
way those guys aren't part.

952
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 2: Of your bigger picture as far As i'm, concerns SO

953
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,079
i would have.

954
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:11,039
Speaker 1: Zero but Then Tamani kamara's not in, there and so

955
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:14,960
he's maybe their single most valuable, Player like maybe not

956
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:18,599
best in a, vacuum but in terms of, VALUE i think.

957
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 3: You Want kamara on the floor against the other team

958
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,239
starters because you want to throw him at.

959
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:26,679
Speaker 2: Like the one Of holiday's sharp or scooter is coming off.

960
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 3: THE i, mean Maybe holiday doesn't. START i could see, that,

961
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,119
LIKE i mean that, would but he's making the salary

962
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:32,440
makes that.

963
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,559
Speaker 1: Hard and also just could you imagine going from winning

964
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:38,079
a title contending for one In boston this past? Year,

965
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,960
yeah and then now not only are you on The

966
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,239
blazers who you already traded to like, previously you're coming

967
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:43,960
off the bench for The.

968
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 3: BLAZERS i still like it, though, right we, agree LIKE

969
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,360
i think this is it's interesting AND i think it could.

970
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: Work, Right that's WHERE i.

971
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: Matter even if you don't love, it or even if

972
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,760
you would have made the, trade the fact people portraying

973
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,039
it as this, FARCE i JUST i.

974
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: DON'T i don't really. Understand so number twelve is The

975
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,280
chicago And.

976
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,559
Speaker 1: Grant they did a good. Thing they Drafted Noah. Sangway,

977
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,119
OKAY i love. This this is someone who could defend

978
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:10,360
his ass off at like all different sorts of positions

979
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,679
and just has a like a ton of malleability. THERE

980
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,559
i don't, know like necessarily what he's gonna turn into

981
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:20,239
offensively for, them but they kind of have enough when

982
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,840
you look At vouch And lonzo And Kobe white And

983
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,559
josh like they have enough stuff on offense to figure it.

984
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:28,119
Speaker 2: OUT i like going after someone like.

985
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 3: This anytime The bulls do something against, TYPE i feel

986
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,039
like it's by definition is a good, call and this

987
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:36,639
feels like it's a little bit against. Type AND i,

988
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:40,480
mean maybe him and Modest bozellis just inject. Enough you,

989
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:42,559
KNOW i don't. Know bozellis hasn't really shown a, ton

990
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:45,320
but like he has the athleticism and the competitiveness to

991
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,280
eventually be a good. Defender maybe and maybe this gives you,

992
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,559
Length AND i don't, KNOW i kind of like. IT

993
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:53,679
i can't claim to know a ton about A, singway

994
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,360
BUT i Think wass liked. HIM i Think wass maybe

995
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,440
had him up pretty high on his good wing defender.

996
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: List AND i actually the only THING i don't even

997
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,920
know IF i disagree with, you LIKE i Think monsters

998
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:05,400
might already be really good on. Defense like the type

999
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,960
of stuff he can do is like borderline big man

1000
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:11,360
ish but also w a wing. Package so having him

1001
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,320
in the same, way in the same like. Unit and

1002
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,800
Then Patrick williams is still on this. Team, grant come,

1003
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,360
on you got a trio that could just lock it, down.

1004
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:20,039
Speaker 3: Sure lock down that.

1005
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:25,079
Speaker 1: Money the number thirteen, pick we have a, trade so

1006
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,599
it is it Is Derek.

1007
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: Queen though The pelicans are Getting Derek. Queen they traded for.

1008
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: Him, uh they gave The hawks and number twenty. Three

1009
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,119
and this is the, thing twenty twenty six first round pick.

1010
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,719
Unprotected it's the most favorable Of New orleans And.

1011
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,079
Speaker 2: Milwaukee that's LIKE I Derek queen.

1012
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Is people were he was one of the many people

1013
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,079
in this draft who are apparently Baby jokic by the,

1014
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:51,480
way like fur his Baby.

1015
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:54,119
Speaker 2: Jochics, NOW i don't, know how do you feel about?

1016
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 3: This so you're telling me that twenty six first that

1017
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,000
The hawks? Have it'll WELL i was gonna, say so

1018
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,679
it's The pelicans, Pick but is it like it might Be.

1019
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:07,679
Milwaukee what's the? Ceiling what's the realistic ceiling on that?

1020
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,239
Pick could be could be a lottery? Pick? Right one

1021
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,679
of these two teams is good bet to miss the.

1022
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: PLAYOFFS i guess this telegraphs though that like they're. Not

1023
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:20,039
and for anyone who cares BECAUSE i didn't include, it

1024
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,800
this is what happens when you're making graphics in real, time.

1025
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,719
Folks that turned Into Asa newell at number twenty. THREE

1026
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,760
i know a friend of the, Podcast Adam, frommell who's

1027
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,960
A hawks, fan is very excited about that. Pick just

1028
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,960
does telegraph that The pelicans are clearly planning on like

1029
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:36,480
making the playoffs or the play In, right otherwise you

1030
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:38,280
don't include this, pick you.

1031
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:42,079
Speaker 3: Wouldn't think and that's a bold stance because The west

1032
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:48,199
is still really good and maybe yeah that, AGAIN i

1033
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:50,800
guess yeah, again you got. It this is sort of

1034
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:54,159
like the coward move where it's like, you, queen better

1035
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:56,079
be the guy it better be worth because that's A

1036
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,239
i don't, know that's two trades now that have been

1037
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,320
like or is it even, yeah at least two that's

1038
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,519
a lot to move. UP i mean ten spots is

1039
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:06,400
a little different but than five in The memphis. Trade

1040
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,199
BUT I i don't know that that feels, like, uh

1041
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,559
the downside For New orleans is pretty significant, there, right

1042
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,679
because what it's unprotected if if you have a seat

1043
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,039
like you just went through a season that's like a

1044
00:47:19,039 --> 00:47:21,719
lot can go wrong all at the same, time and

1045
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,199
you always Have zion's health being a massive question. MARK

1046
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:29,679
i THINK i think The hawks crush it here because

1047
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,039
they get massive upside if That New orleans pick or who,

1048
00:47:33,079 --> 00:47:34,719
Knows like maybe The bucks trade be.

1049
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: HONEST I i'm Assuming New orleans has like pretty good

1050
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,320
into but maybe we shouldn't trust their intel because they

1051
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,320
traded for that number twenty three, pick they gave it

1052
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,000
back to The, pacers and now look at what that

1053
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:48,559
pick could. Become SO i just what is The you,

1054
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:51,679
KNOW i know people Compared Queen too to Like Greg.

1055
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,880
MUNROE i think he has more shooting touch Than Greg munroe.

1056
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:57,760
Does but are you ever you're planning on playing him With?

1057
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,280
Zion what does the defense look like at any point?

1058
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 2: THERE i.

1059
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 3: Just Don't the MORE i look at, THIS i just,

1060
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:08,079
like you can't give up an unprotected first rounder next

1061
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:11,400
year if you're The, pelicans you can't do. It like

1062
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:13,400
that could be, you that could be the number one.

1063
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:14,639
Pick it's totally.

1064
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: Possible i'll go back and make Sure i'm not missing,

1065
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,119
anything But i'm pretty sure that it's said that it

1066
00:48:20,199 --> 00:48:23,519
was gonna be the like an unprotected. Pick so that's just, like,

1067
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,719
yeah they're training the number thirteen pick of the draft

1068
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,239
in one of The pelicans are number twenty three pick

1069
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,960
in an unprotected twenty twenty twenty six first round pick

1070
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,119
most favorable Of New orleans And.

1071
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: Milwaukee SO i think the theory of.

1072
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:37,119
Speaker 1: This if you're The, pelicans Is yannis is staying In,

1073
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,360
milwaukee so they will still that pick will be in

1074
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,159
the late, teens early, twenties and we're gonna be good

1075
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:46,480
because we're gonna stay healthy like we always. Do like

1076
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,440
is that The pelicans like this is just this is

1077
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,800
a huge risk AND i don't think the upside is

1078
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:56,280
there for them TO i, like like If zion misses any, Time,

1079
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,119
like what is this team With jordan bole'.

1080
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: By Jordan poole and a rookie point guard that you,

1081
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,039
draft you just drafted at seven like? That this is?

1082
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,400
IT i, LOOK I i hate this for a lot of.

1083
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,320
Reasons this is a really good this is A king's.

1084
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,280
TRADE i DON'T i, yeah, man Maybe i'll be dead.

1085
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,199
WRONG i JUST i don't think this is a good

1086
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:21,360
move at all by The. Pelicans Dere Maybe Derek queen's,

1087
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,880
Great maybe that's what fixes.

1088
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 2: It here's ho hoping he.

1089
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: Is we root for all these, rookies but this feels

1090
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,480
like a good time to talk about the trade we allude.

1091
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,920
To so in a deal with The, wizards The pelicans

1092
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,079
Received Jordan pool was two years and sixty six million

1093
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:36,639
left on his. Deal Sadik bay two years and twelve

1094
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:37,159
and a half.

1095
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 2: Million didn't play a single game for The.

1096
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: Wizards they signed him with that torn LEFT acl and

1097
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,800
then got rid of, him and they got the number forty.

1098
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,239
Pick washington RECEIVED. C. G McCollum expiring at thirty point seven,

1099
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,719
Million Kelly ollnik expiring at thirteen point four, million and

1100
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,599
a future second round. Pick they also got off a

1101
00:49:53,639 --> 00:49:56,639
shit ton of money for twenty twenty, six where the

1102
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,719
early estimates are that if they want, to they can

1103
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,719
have a hundred million to.

1104
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: Space take, That, brooklyn you think you Got Caspase.

1105
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,599
Speaker 2: NOW i fucking love This wizard's front.

1106
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:11,119
Speaker 1: Office they are so smart if you just look at

1107
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,920
what they've, Done like look at what they did at

1108
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,320
the trade deadline to get compensation For Chris Middleton Marcus

1109
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,679
smart who are now on these bigger expiring. Contracts even

1110
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,440
people made fun, of like The Rashaun holmes non, Get

1111
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,239
like they restructured his deal to where he lowered his

1112
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,559
guarantee next, year but he got that non guarantee for

1113
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,079
like thirteen to nine or whatever it.

1114
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: Is this coming.

1115
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,559
Speaker 1: Year they can they have so much room under the

1116
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,440
tax grant that if they wanted to guarantee the entire,

1117
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:37,559
thing they can get back a player making more than

1118
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,679
twenty million dollars and they haven't lost anyone who's important to.

1119
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,199
Speaker 2: Them like that is, Real like you could do.

1120
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:45,119
Speaker 1: Real damage on the trade market that, way or you

1121
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:47,440
could guarantee whatever you want of it to move, him

1122
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,760
or you just get rid of. Him this is just

1123
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,559
LIKE i shouldn't be this excited about like The, Wizards

1124
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:56,559
like this is just a really well run organization right,

1125
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:58,719
now we're not talking enough about. IT i think They're

1126
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,599
one quote unquote downfall would be do you think that

1127
00:51:02,679 --> 00:51:05,159
they have the guy of the future already in tow

1128
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:08,719
and it's Between Sar kulibali Now Trey.

1129
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: Johnson you just you don't.

1130
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: Know but this Is we're two years into the rebuild

1131
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:15,000
and they've just accomplished so much.

1132
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:15,519
Speaker 2: Already.

1133
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:21,119
Speaker 3: YEAH i think a couple. Thoughts, ONE i think moving

1134
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:23,480
on From Jordan poole has its value not just in

1135
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:27,320
saving you money next, year but then also like all,

1136
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,840
right bub it's your. Show AND i think that's because

1137
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:33,599
that way you're gonna learn About carrington and kulibally to

1138
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,199
a lesser, extent like more than you would If Jordan

1139
00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:38,639
poole was on this. Team and like Maybe Jordan poole

1140
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,800
is not the best culture. Guy that's it's up for.

1141
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,599
Debate but like you hear all the time that like you, know,

1142
00:51:45,639 --> 00:51:48,440
oh the easy part is the, teardown, Right it's like

1143
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,440
it's easy to tank and to to do some selling

1144
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,719
and to cut salary and, stuff but like The wizards

1145
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,440
are making it look like way, easy like you know

1146
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,000
WHAT i, Mean LIKE i mean that as a, complm

1147
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,559
like the way that just every move has been geared

1148
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:07,239
towards let's create, flexibility let's and, LIKE i don't, know

1149
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,320
do you think this is another? THING i don't want

1150
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,280
to get on a huge tangent here because we're not

1151
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,400
gonna get through this. Thing but, like do you think

1152
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,239
The wizards will buy out some of these like your

1153
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,960
McCollums and Your smarts and your, middletons or do you

1154
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,039
think they're gonna look to take on because creating all

1155
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:26,360
that cap space in twenty six makes me think they're

1156
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,159
maybe not. Interested and, like give us your bad three

1157
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,280
year deal for this expiring one we have With picks.

1158
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,039
Attached they could do, that but like it feels like

1159
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:38,760
maybe they're looking to Be brooklyn on steroids next offseason

1160
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:40,880
more than anything. Else AND i.

1161
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: Think it's possible that they.

1162
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,199
Speaker 1: Might that's the point where they're gonna, say, hey we're

1163
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:45,519
making sure we keep our pick this.

1164
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:46,519
Speaker 2: Year it's top eight.

1165
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: PROTECTED i think otherwise it goes to The knicks and

1166
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:50,840
if it doesn't turns into two seconds and then maybe

1167
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,000
they believe it'll be time to hit the acceleration. Button

1168
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:55,679
BUT i also think that they'll be opportunity BECAUSE i

1169
00:52:55,679 --> 00:52:58,320
think they've looked At Jordan poole and said a lot

1170
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,000
of people gave us. Shit they said that we've writen

1171
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:01,760
Off Jordan pool too much because he had a good.

1172
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:02,159
Speaker 2: Season.

1173
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: Awesome over the past four, years he's had two good.

1174
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,119
Seasons so you're working on in every other year. Trajectory

1175
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:11,519
even though it's not how it mapped. Out you got

1176
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:13,400
off of someone WHO i think very easily could have

1177
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,599
turned into a net negative for someone who just comes

1178
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,920
off the. BOOKS i think they're being opportunistic here AND

1179
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,920
i could see them doing something similar to what they

1180
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,280
did With smart Or middleton this this season or even

1181
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,760
this offseason and, saying, yeah we're taking on money that

1182
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,159
only goes out an extra, year so it's just then

1183
00:53:29,199 --> 00:53:31,920
we're still getting first round compensation for. It SO i

1184
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,280
think they're just leaving their options. Open AND i think

1185
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,360
that The Will Dawkins Michael winger led front office has

1186
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,760
kind of shown that they deserve the benefit of the doubt,

1187
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,360
here and MAYBE i think you could look at their

1188
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,320
draft picks and, say who's been their home. Run they

1189
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,320
haven't really drafted in a SPOT i, guess with the

1190
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,960
exception Of Alex sar to say that's where the home

1191
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:49,960
run needs to be and Like.

1192
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,039
Speaker 2: Sar just might still be really fucking.

1193
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:55,119
Speaker 3: Good, well then there were no home runs in that, draft, ye,

1194
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:56,519
right so like they.

1195
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 1: DID i don't know what the there's a case That

1196
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,239
alex if you do. REDRAFT i Know Zachary resische probably

1197
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,840
still goes and maybe they'll be the McCain castle. Supporters

1198
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,000
But i'll make a Case rolex are to go number

1199
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:09,440
one in a redraft right, now like with some of

1200
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,639
the tools he. Showed SO i loved not just this,

1201
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,400
draft like The Trey johnson. PICK i understand, IT i like,

1202
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,119
it but LIKE i just love what The wizards are,

1203
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:20,039
doing AND i think that they're in really really good

1204
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:23,880
hands moving. Forward strong, Agree what are we on number,

1205
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:25,639
fourteen the last lotto?

1206
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 2: Pick oh, no, wait we're gonna go into a trade

1207
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:28,639
with The hawks? First how about?

1208
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: That So atlanta received Christophs porzingis the twenty twenty six

1209
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,320
second round. Pick it's like the worst of seven. Teams

1210
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:39,159
it's probably gonna end up Being minnesota's or. Something boston

1211
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,119
Got George, Niang cleveland's twenty thirty one second round, pick

1212
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,119
and Then brooklyn Received Terrence, mann who is three years

1213
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:48,840
and forty seven million left on his, deal and the

1214
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,199
number twenty two, pick, which for anyone who cares that

1215
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,719
turned Into Drake. Powell so this is a mean and

1216
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:59,199
Christophs porzingis is expiring at like thirty million.

1217
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 2: BUCKS i kind of, LIKE i like what The hawks are. Doing, Great, NO.

1218
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 3: I, KNOW i, agree it's just like it it's an

1219
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:15,440
interesting dynamic to add To Trey young plus the quartzead

1220
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,679
of twenty five and under like like good. Starters BUT

1221
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,320
i mean maybe that's just a little bit of a

1222
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,800
stretch For Reesa. Shay but, LIKE i really am in

1223
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,960
the bag For Kong. WU i THINK i don't have

1224
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,920
an issue with like maybe you play those two. Together

1225
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,880
maybe you just bank On porzingis missing time and a

1226
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,880
Kong wu still your starting. CENTER i don't, Know like

1227
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,639
maybe you can Manage porzingis's minutes off the bench just,

1228
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:40,519
Fine Like Jalen johnson fits great next to either of those,

1229
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:43,760
bigs LIKE i And Dyson daniels is gonna be starting

1230
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:48,199
next To trey Like atlanta, Is like you don't want

1231
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,199
to make this comparison because it's like it's too, convenient

1232
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:54,039
but It's atlanta has like some indie vibes where it's

1233
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:56,880
like we're not and it's different because like they don't

1234
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,000
have their picks so they can't. Tank but it's like

1235
00:55:59,039 --> 00:56:00,880
they're just gonna try to be pretty good and make,

1236
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,559
incremental like positive moves and like see what. HAPPENS i

1237
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,719
don't hate. IT i THINK i think for where The

1238
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:09,239
hawks put themselves with some of the trades they made

1239
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,760
with respect to their draft, picks like this is a

1240
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,360
move you, MAKE i think it's it's it's totally sensible

1241
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,360
for them to take a shot On, porzingis who LIKE

1242
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,360
i don't, know maybe he's not gonna give you, anything

1243
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,800
but it's not Like niang's gonna like what Was niang

1244
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:22,280
doing for.

1245
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:24,920
Speaker 1: The, like, WELL i mean his floor spacing was, valuable,

1246
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:28,280
valuable but you get that on defensive steroids With Chris

1247
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:28,880
tops if he's.

1248
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,519
Speaker 3: Healthy, sure so you make a premium. Position, yeah.

1249
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: Right and also you got off the because the one

1250
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,039
one of the things we didn't like is you gave

1251
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:39,360
up picks with Bug Down bogdanovitch to Get Terrence man

1252
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,360
in the first. Place now you get him, off and

1253
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,199
So Chris tops comes off the. Books but you also

1254
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,840
what you've done, Too AND i didn't even realize.

1255
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 2: This do you?

1256
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: Know they're the only other team aside From brooklyn who

1257
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,239
can take in a player making more than the mid

1258
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,920
level right now because of That Dejonte murray trade, exception

1259
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,400
they still have and they have enough room under the

1260
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:58,760
tax to where they could they have enough remunder the

1261
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,239
first APRON i think to use it. All but we

1262
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,679
know they won't pay the tax because this is the

1263
00:57:01,679 --> 00:57:04,559
plant that we're talking, about so they Could like that

1264
00:57:04,639 --> 00:57:07,800
gets super interesting, too like if they Want Jake fisher

1265
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,800
link them To Nikia Alexander walker and you AND i

1266
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,840
have you AND i have talked about the outlines of

1267
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,480
what it seems like they're trying to do Around Trey.

1268
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:17,079
Young it's, Okay porzingis gives you the. Shooting we wanted

1269
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:19,000
to see them get some more playmaking and shooting around,

1270
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:20,840
him but they've almost kind of, decided, like.

1271
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:22,079
Speaker 2: We'll figure it out on.

1272
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 1: Offense we're just gonna surround him with as many versatile

1273
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:29,079
or like fucking lunatic defenders as. Possible when you look

1274
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:33,559
At Dyson Daniel Zachary resi che, SO i. LIKE i

1275
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:36,119
like what they're kind of, doing and it's very low risk.

1276
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,079
Here now if you Extend, porzingis that's that gets in

1277
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:42,039
a little. Risky BUT i Do i'm now more interested

1278
00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:43,840
in their offseason because do you look at this and

1279
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,000
say this was more of an opportunistic trade or do

1280
00:57:47,039 --> 00:57:49,519
you look at this and say they're kind of because

1281
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:51,800
they're picks their next two where they have twenty six

1282
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,400
and twenty seven are also going To San. Antonio do

1283
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,480
you just read this as all, right they're gonna Extend

1284
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,440
Trey young like they're gonna try and keep, winning or

1285
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,880
do you think this was more about being.

1286
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: OPPORTUNISTIC i think it's.

1287
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,239
Speaker 3: MORE i guess it's opportunistic more than the. Alternative but

1288
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,079
it's also like they you don't really have a. CHOICE

1289
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,920
i guess you. Could you don't need to go trade For,

1290
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,480
porzingis but but like not having your picks kind of

1291
00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:19,039
simplifies your your your, options, Right like As michael, Says

1292
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:21,440
atlanta can be a honest. Destination THAT'S i, mean that's

1293
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,960
with respect to The pelicans Slash bucks twenty six. Unprotected,

1294
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:31,400
YEAH i mean early front, runner not front, runner but

1295
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,400
early nominee for like really good offseason so. Far, Hawks

1296
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:37,599
LIKE i think they've they've made a couple of really shrewd,

1297
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:41,519
moves and LIKE i don't feel Like porzingis has a

1298
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:44,079
ton of leverage if you want to start extension, Negotiations

1299
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:47,119
like the health history is what it, is so like

1300
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:48,280
maybe maybe you.

1301
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,119
Speaker 2: Can't and he's Playing EuroBasket.

1302
00:58:50,639 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 3: Is in a powerful, position and he says.

1303
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: He's playing with his national team this, year so like

1304
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,000
you can't extend him until you know that he makes

1305
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:56,719
it out of their one.

1306
00:58:56,719 --> 00:58:59,119
Speaker 3: Piece, yeah, right you're gonna hold off on that for.

1307
00:58:59,159 --> 00:59:01,559
Speaker 1: Sure do you want to one out For brooklyn only

1308
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:03,760
having like sixty million dollars in cash space? LEFT i

1309
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,519
don't know what if that's enough for them to do.

1310
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:07,719
Speaker 3: ANYTHING i will SAY i did have a thought of, like,

1311
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,000
OOH i don't know THAT i like them dipping into,

1312
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:12,880
that BUT i guess you get number twenty, two so

1313
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:13,440
good for.

1314
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,559
Speaker 1: Them and turns man like he can still be really

1315
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:17,360
good on. DEFENSE i don't know what he's gonna be

1316
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:22,159
on offense, ever, Basically but and Then, BOSTON i DO

1317
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,920
i understand what they're. Doing and AS bj says in the,

1318
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,599
chat like The zinger trade, shows there's only so much

1319
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:29,679
you could do when you have zero. LEVERAGE i am

1320
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:32,320
a little bit, uncomfortable like how many people are celebrating, like,

1321
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,400
oh The celtics went from having this half a billion

1322
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,760
dollar payroll with taxes like it's only it's only one hundred.

1323
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:38,440
Speaker 2: And eighty million now or.

1324
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,119
Speaker 1: Something i'm, like we don't need to applaud, that like

1325
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:45,599
this is billionaires saving. Money do you think that they're

1326
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:47,559
about four and a half million as we record this

1327
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:52,559
beneath the second? Apron their salary shedding isn't done?

1328
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: Right, WELL i mean do you? So do you mean

1329
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,679
you Think Derek white Or JALEN.

1330
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,599
Speaker 1: I Was that was one of my bold predictions this,

1331
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:06,280
offseason was That Derek white and Or Jalen brown will be.

1332
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,480
Moved AND i just think we're not talking, well, actually

1333
01:00:09,519 --> 01:00:11,159
you AND i are talking enough about, it Because i've

1334
01:00:11,159 --> 01:00:13,159
now brought it up like eighty times on this. PODCAST

1335
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,039
i feel like people aren't talking enough about this isn't

1336
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:19,039
just about next, season it's about they need to see

1337
01:00:19,079 --> 01:00:21,440
What Jayson tatum looks like in twenty twenty, six and

1338
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,559
you're really looking at a twenty twenty seven.

1339
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:24,719
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty eight timeline.

1340
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: Horizon Derek white's not going to be, specifically he isn't

1341
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,880
gonna be super young at that. Point Jalen brown's kind

1342
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,199
of racked up injuries like low, Key SO i JUST

1343
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,199
i don't. Know AND i also kind of think THAT

1344
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:37,559
i know there's only one team with cap, space And

1345
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:41,280
boston just kind of used. THEM i wouldn't shock me

1346
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:42,719
if they're just, like you know, what we're gonna try

1347
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,280
and duck like that where they need another twenty million

1348
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,000
or something to get out of the luxury tax or.

1349
01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:49,039
Whatever it might be thirty closer to thirty million at this.

1350
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:51,360
Point it just wouldn't shock me if they try to do.

1351
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:56,039
Speaker 3: THAT i wouldn't shock me, either BECAUSE i do think

1352
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,960
the super hard reset is really like the cold logical

1353
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,960
best decision for them because of like What's tatum when he's,

1354
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,760
back and like how like you, know really resetting. EVERYTHING

1355
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,960
i WOULD i guess i'd hedge and say if they.

1356
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:17,199
Do if they do, that it's more of a deadline

1357
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:20,480
a trade deadline, THING i think THEN i would guess

1358
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:23,840
it this like right, NOW i will.

1359
01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:26,679
Speaker 1: Just SAY i was just gonna, say, like it's hard

1360
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:28,639
to cut that much money at the trade.

1361
01:01:28,639 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: Deadline SO i.

1362
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:32,199
Speaker 1: Think IF i, like will they split the baby and

1363
01:01:32,199 --> 01:01:34,119
they're gonna cut a little more because one right, now

1364
01:01:34,159 --> 01:01:36,639
like can you GET i guess maybe he would take

1365
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:38,800
another pay. Cut but you're not even able to give

1366
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:41,239
out that you don't have a center. Name Guess kita

1367
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,960
is the only center under excuse, Me Xavier tillman's the

1368
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,480
only center under or big under.

1369
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:47,679
Speaker 2: Guarantee contract for next.

1370
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,119
Speaker 1: Year so it's, like is Al horford is coming back

1371
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:52,159
for four million bucks or the? Minimum, okay then then

1372
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:54,360
you just stay under the second apron and rock and

1373
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,880
roll with. It BUT i just think there's like even

1374
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,719
if it's A Sam houser, dump so then all of

1375
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:00,719
a sudden it's, okay we're twenty million dollars away or

1376
01:02:00,719 --> 01:02:02,119
whatever it is from ducking. ATTACKS i don't have the

1377
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:04,320
numbers in front of me right. NOW i think there's

1378
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,960
at least one more, sound whether It's Sam, Hawser Derek.

1379
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: White Or Jalen.

1380
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: Brown not my prediction About brown Or white getting, MOVED

1381
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,599
i think looks a lot worse because two of the

1382
01:02:12,639 --> 01:02:15,000
players that people assumed were the hardest to, move including

1383
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,760
the single hardest And Drew, holiday are gone And boston

1384
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:19,840
didn't have to attach an asset to either one of. Them,

1385
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,679
yeah but they're to, ME i just look at this and,

1386
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:24,840
say for what they're clearly intending to do next, season

1387
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:28,440
because this roster is severely less, Talented like Every simon's

1388
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,119
can come in and bomb, threes BUT i don't look

1389
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:33,119
at him as someone who plays Necessarily boston's style of.

1390
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:35,559
Offense AND i don't know how you how well can

1391
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:37,920
you insulate him defensively right now When christops And Drew

1392
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,199
holliday are gone And tatum is?

1393
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,039
Speaker 2: Gone yeah you.

1394
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 3: Can't my theory on The celtics is they're just going

1395
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:45,400
to rebreak the three point attenp record by With simons.

1396
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:46,119
Speaker 2: Over under fifty a.

1397
01:02:46,199 --> 01:02:48,679
Speaker 3: Game, yeah over, it because they'll just be, like we'll

1398
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:51,719
be as high variants as, possible because that's the only why.

1399
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,239
Not let's maybe we'll. Win you, know we'll just shoot

1400
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:56,480
more threes because we don't have the talent advantage. Anymore

1401
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:58,039
and they did shoot a shit ton of threes when

1402
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:00,039
they have the talent. Advantage so, LIKE i, THINK i

1403
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,519
think the math says you should do even more of

1404
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:05,880
that when you when you've lost the kinds of players they've. Lost,

1405
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:08,920
YEAH i don't, KNOW I I i ACTUALLY I i

1406
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,760
really don't Think horford is going to be back BECAUSE

1407
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,119
i think SOMEONE i THINK i think someone should just

1408
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:16,440
give him the full mid level or something like, that because,

1409
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,039
like if you're a good, team you should just Want

1410
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:20,880
Al horford, on you, know playing fifteen to twenty minutes for.

1411
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: You WHAT'S bj says not sold That simon's Or niang

1412
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,039
play a single minute In. BOSTON i, mean, look when

1413
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:29,320
you're just looking at movable salaries that maybe you could

1414
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,320
jettison into exceptions Like Sam hawser And nyang would be

1415
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:34,519
the ones to just, be, oh look we just got

1416
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:36,760
rid of twenty million bucks in salary or whatever it.

1417
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: Is so, YEAH i.

1418
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: Don't it feels like there's more to come In. Boston

1419
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,199
what is the team though that has the mid level

1420
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,760
and just like we'll give it To Al horford right?

1421
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,760
Now The hawks just Got porzingis and Having, kong so

1422
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,440
it's not going to be. Them, okay so he could

1423
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,000
probably have the mid level if it wants, to but

1424
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:56,440
they just bring him.

1425
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:01,719
Speaker 3: Back there WAS i, CAN'T i can't do The, Clippers.

1426
01:04:01,159 --> 01:04:03,119
Speaker 1: Like would he want to be like The clippers can

1427
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:05,039
get to the full mid? Level is that a team

1428
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:06,599
that would make?

1429
01:04:06,639 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 2: Sense?

1430
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:10,639
Speaker 3: YEAH i think he would make sense for. Them, Yeah.

1431
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: Milwaukee but that's LIKE i guess he's.

1432
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:15,199
Speaker 1: A little bit better Than Brook. Lopez like he's definitely

1433
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:16,679
better defensively Than lopez for.

1434
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 3: SURE i mean he's. More, YEAH i mean he's kind

1435
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,519
of got a lot of What lopez, does except that

1436
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,760
he's just. More he's got he can. Switch, Still, NO

1437
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,199
i don't know what else we. Got let's move let's move.

1438
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: Ahead we have the number fourteen, pick which Was Carter

1439
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:33,920
bryant to The.

1440
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,719
Speaker 2: Spurs uh love.

1441
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: HIM i think that THAT'S i am kind of, wondering

1442
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,079
Like Keldon johnson is just never gonna feel like he

1443
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:42,719
has a permanent spot on the, spurs, Right but he's

1444
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:43,320
always be.

1445
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 3: There he's always going to be, there and he's always

1446
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:47,800
going to be included. In, oh that's a pretty good

1447
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,559
salary to throw in a. TRADE i like that a.

1448
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:54,440
Lot someone could talk themselves Into Keldon. Johnson DO i

1449
01:04:54,519 --> 01:04:56,760
have it wrong that there's a fair amount of overlap

1450
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:59,360
Between Carter bryan and Like Jeremy sohan and that it's

1451
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,280
like we have questions about the shooting and they can

1452
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:04,119
guard everything that, moves and that's kind of.

1453
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:06,719
Speaker 1: IT i think it was low, volume But Carter brian

1454
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:10,159
at least did shoot like thirty seven something PERCENT ok from,

1455
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:13,400
three And Jeremy sohan is probably like shooting that from

1456
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:14,360
his two handed free.

1457
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 2: Throws his one handed free throws are probably exponentially.

1458
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 3: High what does he shoot one handed from? Three he

1459
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:19,599
thought they look into.

1460
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: That why doesn't he tried that? More or try a

1461
01:05:22,519 --> 01:05:24,559
skyhook from? Three maybe that's how you get.

1462
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:27,599
Speaker 1: IT i LOOK i like this pick just as someone

1463
01:05:27,639 --> 01:05:29,960
who profiles is like that three AND d maybe a

1464
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,719
little bit. More guy you can come in AND samsoni

1465
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,360
just has a lot of. Talent but they're so AND

1466
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,639
i don't mean this in a bad. Way they're on

1467
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,880
such a weird trajectory just because you Have, wemby you

1468
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,760
traded For, fox but Like Carter brian someone that you

1469
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:45,920
should want to develop and, play Certainly harper And Steph,

1470
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,960
castle you should want to develop and. Play Jeremy sohan

1471
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:51,320
what is His it does feel like his spot on

1472
01:05:51,360 --> 01:05:53,360
the team is. Iffier but they also haven't made an

1473
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,320
upgrade in the front court that would make you think, like,

1474
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:57,760
oh we just don't need him. Anymore and they did

1475
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,039
kind of figure out like different ways to offensively over

1476
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:04,719
the past two. Seasons it feels, Like I'M i feel,

1477
01:06:04,719 --> 01:06:08,159
LIKE i know this is Atypical, spurs but unless they're

1478
01:06:08,159 --> 01:06:11,039
planning on making next year just kind of experimental again

1479
01:06:11,199 --> 01:06:13,519
and they're, okay maybe not making the play in or

1480
01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:16,239
only making the play in if everybody remains, healthy it

1481
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,920
does feel like they're gonna do something else this. Offseason

1482
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:21,760
maybe maybe it's only like trade For Cam johnson or,

1483
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,840
something but, yeah because because.

1484
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:25,639
Speaker 3: Otherwise it feels like a little bit too much of

1485
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:27,920
a slow roll where and we've BEEN i, KNOW i

1486
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,960
have just been like If wemby is this, good now

1487
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:32,960
it's okay to just. Go i'm a little surprised that

1488
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,679
they made this. PICK i think this was one that

1489
01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:37,320
a lot of people speculated would potentially be moved in a.

1490
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,920
Deal BUT i don't. Know maybe they're just you, know

1491
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,280
they don't the. Spur it's not like a bad course

1492
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:44,280
to take if you cause maybe you just end up Like,

1493
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,800
houston except you also Have, wemby where it's, like we

1494
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,880
got all these guys on rookie scale. Deals you, know

1495
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,440
we'll worry about having to extend all of them. Later,

1496
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:55,400
meanwhile we have a ton of interesting. Talent, YEAH i

1497
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,960
think maybe SOMETHING i WOULD i would Put San antonio

1498
01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:59,480
pretty high on the list of. Teams it's, like you

1499
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:02,119
GOT i think maybe there's something coming eventually here trade,

1500
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:04,920
wise just because it does feel a little underwhelming if they,

1501
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,039
just you, know two more, rookies like two more young

1502
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:11,880
guys to stockpile that are gonna take a, While and SO.

1503
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:12,639
Speaker 2: I do like to pick.

1504
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 1: Overall BUT i also it's not just about, oh you Have,

1505
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,239
wemby so, go it's you already kind of. Went you

1506
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:20,960
already kind of went by Getting Daron. Fox and that's

1507
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:23,239
WHAT i. Think if if they never make that, trade

1508
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,920
you're kind of sitting here saying all, right like they're

1509
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,639
just gonna continue to do like, whatever and then they're

1510
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:29,360
waiting on that, move AND i know the price might

1511
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:31,199
have been right For, fox but it just sort of

1512
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:33,800
kind of ops you skates the are what is the.

1513
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,719
Speaker 2: Actual endgame for next? Season?

1514
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: Anyway oh, wow this is generational hater spurs been asked

1515
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,840
AS qui. Left that's like right on point with The

1516
01:07:42,199 --> 01:07:44,599
so we're gonna go through the rest of the draft

1517
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:46,519
now to see what stands out and just kind of

1518
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:48,679
pick and pluck. Here if you're still listening to us

1519
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:50,880
this late at, night and one of the chat asked

1520
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,360
Questions grant AND i will be happy to answer. Them

1521
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,199
so we'll begin with the next eight picks. Here, Grant

1522
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:01,519
so at number, Fifteen Oklahoma city kept it Took Thomas.

1523
01:08:01,519 --> 01:08:04,920
Sorber memphis we already. Mentioned at number sixteen From orlando

1524
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:09,440
Took Jan. Henson minnesota Took Joan bringer at number. Seventeen

1525
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,599
utah ended up with number. Eighteen Via washington Took Walter

1526
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:18,039
Clayton junior, Nineteen brooklyn Took Nolan troure. Twenty miami Took

1527
01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:21,279
Casperis Yaka. YONIS i can't pronounce.

1528
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: It do you have.

1529
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 3: IT i know you, think, yeah, cucionis BUT i could.

1530
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,199
Speaker 1: That washington Via utah number twenty one took Will, riley

1531
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:31,960
and Then brooklyn at number twenty two Took Drake.

1532
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 2: Powell anything stand out the reach For?

1533
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: Memphis, well by the, Way i'll say what stands out

1534
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:40,840
to me? Here SINCE i actually watched the draft and

1535
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,680
we're throwing this at you like in the, Moment, okay,

1536
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,199
see keeping number fifteen was a little bit of a

1537
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:50,239
surprise for. Me and Then, memphis LIKE i just didn't

1538
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:53,079
have any firm hold on what Jan henson could be

1539
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:55,560
and then it was called the biggest like reach of

1540
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,840
the draft at that, point so that was a little

1541
01:08:57,840 --> 01:08:58,880
bit surprising for.

1542
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,680
Speaker 3: Me, HERE I i the one that actually gets. ME

1543
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,880
i THINK i agree with you on THOSE i THOUGHT

1544
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:06,479
i thought it was a safe bet that The thunder

1545
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,560
would move both of those, picks just because they have

1546
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:14,039
like thirteen guaranteed contracts plus Other Jalen williams and Uh Aj,

1547
01:09:14,199 --> 01:09:16,840
mitchell and it's just, like well where does this, Guy

1548
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,359
like they seem like a draft and stash. POSSIBILITY a

1549
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:23,239
little surprise they made that. PICK i Like treor For

1550
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:26,039
brooklyn because that's LIKE i, know when we talked to

1551
01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:28,279
was and we, asked, like who's the best, people who

1552
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,880
are the best pick and roll? Operators he mentioned, Him

1553
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,560
SO i think it maybe that's bad news for our,

1554
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,000
guy for For. Yegor but uh DID i say? That?

1555
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:40,680
Right is it Yegor? OR i keep on saying like, Igor,

1556
01:09:41,159 --> 01:09:44,720
Uh but just having another guy that's gonna handle the

1557
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,520
BALL i think makes, sense even if now you're just

1558
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,079
kind of entrusting that position to two. Rookies but, yeah

1559
01:09:50,119 --> 01:09:52,399
that that's. Interesting we gotta let's.

1560
01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: See oh, yeah, yeah so the the so Yes yong

1561
01:09:58,039 --> 01:09:59,359
is a. BLAZER i don't have it up on the,

1562
01:09:59,359 --> 01:10:01,720
screen but, yes that's what a young handsOn to go

1563
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,600
To portland ended up with.

1564
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,079
Speaker 3: That But donovan, asked how do you guys think The hornets?

1565
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:06,319
Speaker 2: Did?

1566
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:11,079
Speaker 3: Uh The canipple pick was terrific BECAUSE i guessed it

1567
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,840
the value of The valets we think we think The hornets.

1568
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,159
Did they're being run like, INTELLIGENTLY i think is a general.

1569
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 1: Stance and they also ended up With liam mcnely at

1570
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,960
number twenty. NINE i thought they got good value out of.

1571
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 2: The Mark williams.

1572
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 1: Trade it was it was never going to align with

1573
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,960
what The lakers gave, up but like The, lakers like

1574
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:33,640
we're able to flip the uh, to like pull back

1575
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,319
on that. One so but, Yeah charlotte is just, yeah

1576
01:10:37,319 --> 01:10:40,079
there's some, stuff there's some concerns there, still but they've

1577
01:10:40,079 --> 01:10:42,520
already overhauled their training staff that happened last. Year AND

1578
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,520
i think that they've shown, specifically like forget this. DRAFT

1579
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,000
i liked The canipple, pick but at the past two trade,

1580
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,279
deadlines they have shown that they are taking a longer.

1581
01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:53,680
VIEW i think that's what this team, needs is that

1582
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,079
level of, patients and that will come a time where

1583
01:10:56,079 --> 01:10:58,840
maybe they need to accelerate it a, bit but they're

1584
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,720
not there. Yet AND i think The Mark williams trade

1585
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,039
is maybe even a perfect example of, that as you're

1586
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:05,560
not reinvesting in someone that you either don't believe, in

1587
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,239
don't think is a good, fit don't think we'll stay.

1588
01:11:07,279 --> 01:11:10,760
Healthy SO i like a lot of What charlotte has.

1589
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,079
Done the rest of the first round twenty three through

1590
01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:16,079
THIRTY Asa newell goes To. Atlanta that's Via New, Orleans

1591
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:21,079
sacramento traded for number twenty four From. Okce they Got Nee.

1592
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:24,199
CLIFFORD i actually really like that By. Sacramento he's kind

1593
01:11:24,199 --> 01:11:26,720
of like a remember when we were very high On Himay.

1594
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:28,760
Hawkes he reminds me a little bit of that type

1595
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,239
of player where just like sort of the five tool baseball,

1596
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:33,079
player where it might not be elite at, anything but

1597
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:36,800
does a bunch of stuff really. Well Ben sarah For.

1598
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,760
Brooklyn excuse, Me Jase richardson For orlando at number twenty.

1599
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,279
FIVE i think he could be pretty. Good he's a little, small,

1600
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:45,319
though for a two. Guard twenty Six brooklyn At Ben's

1601
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,960
saraf twenty seven For, Brooklyn Danny wolf twenty eight For,

1602
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:52,600
Boston Hugo Gonzalez. CHARLOTTE i, Said liam McNeely at number

1603
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,800
twenty nine And, grant can you pronounce number?

1604
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,560
Speaker 2: Thirty, oh that's.

1605
01:11:57,319 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 3: Our, Guy Janick Conan. NIEDERHAUSER i don't know anything other

1606
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,520
than how to pronounce his. Name CAN i ask you

1607
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,520
how mad you think The sons are That Jace richardson

1608
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,199
went at twenty five and maybe they were hoping to

1609
01:12:11,199 --> 01:12:13,079
get him in the second round, somehow just because of

1610
01:12:13,119 --> 01:12:15,159
The michigan state, connection.

1611
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,239
Speaker 2: And also also he's a two, guard like that's just

1612
01:12:17,279 --> 01:12:17,640
a Double.

1613
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 3: Well we got a question here from Dog Water, JASON

1614
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,079
i kind of agree that the fit offensively makes some sense.

1615
01:12:26,119 --> 01:12:31,000
There good, driver LIKE i was Reading Sam vasini's right,

1616
01:12:31,079 --> 01:12:34,039
up and it's like good like under like good court,

1617
01:12:34,079 --> 01:12:36,920
mapping good spatial, Awareness like maybe that translates to like

1618
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,560
better playmaking than you might otherwise get that. Position we

1619
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,479
still Think orlando needs some more of that, defensively like

1620
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,039
he is, smaller like he was one of the most

1621
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:49,039
LIKE i guess disappointing like measurers at the combine right

1622
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:50,840
because it's, like what was he like six to one

1623
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:55,760
in shoes or in socks or something like. That it's

1624
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,560
hard to be a huge difference, maker kind of Like

1625
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,760
Cole anthony to use that comparison if you just don't

1626
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,680
have like good wing size and that's who you're gonna be.

1627
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:05,920
Guarding but, YEAH i don't. KNOW i think MOSTLY i

1628
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,720
would be focused on there's a good chance that this

1629
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,159
is a huge value like, offensively which is What orlando needs.

1630
01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: ANYWAY i do wonder, though just because the lack of

1631
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,640
usage that we've seen From Jet, howard who actually has

1632
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,840
pretty good positional, size if he's not gonna be Able Jace,

1633
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,039
RICHARDSON i, mean now give you anything defensively or worry

1634
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:28,119
about him being targeted on defense because he is so.

1635
01:13:28,199 --> 01:13:31,199
Small how much do you actually play? Him Because jacquevaughan

1636
01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:34,720
is kind of. Jacquvaughan oh my, God Jamal, mosley it's

1637
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,199
kind of been predisposed to not. Playing, yeah it's, Late i'm.

1638
01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:40,680
Tired look these are typos that we've got typos. Here

1639
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,239
that shit, Happens, UH i remember WHAT i was. Saying,

1640
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:46,800
Oh Jamal mosley has been predisposed not to play the

1641
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,640
guys who are defensive, liabilities and now you kind of

1642
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:52,640
combine that with and a future modern Says Fred.

1643
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:53,600
Speaker 2: Vanvleetet small can.

1644
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,199
Speaker 1: Guard he's also built like Fucking Kyle lowry, Too And

1645
01:13:56,319 --> 01:13:58,279
Jace richardson is not like he is strong and.

1646
01:13:58,359 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 2: Beefy SO i JUST i question WHAT i like the.

1647
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: Value but it's JUST i always kind of have this internal,

1648
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:08,520
struggle like IF i were running a team like The

1649
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,439
magic are trying to. Contend now that's why you go

1650
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:12,600
and trade all those first round picks For Desmond. Bain

1651
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,920
so how much time do you actually get to? Develop

1652
01:14:15,279 --> 01:14:16,880
jase richards, SAID i, mean, look we see it. Happen

1653
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,079
look what happened With Christian brown In, denver but it

1654
01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:21,960
was more so like he played out of necessity because

1655
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,119
they were so. Shallow do you Think orlando was there

1656
01:14:24,199 --> 01:14:28,119
yet in its back, court especially because he's not a point,

1657
01:14:28,119 --> 01:14:31,119
guard like isn't he's more of an off guard, guy, Right, yeah.

1658
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:35,039
Speaker 3: That's unfortunately like point guard, SIZED i mean by modern. Standards,

1659
01:14:35,119 --> 01:14:38,880
YEAH i think you're. Right it won't be. Easy WHAT i,

1660
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,960
mean if he just lights, out then you probably almost

1661
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,079
have to play. Him but he's like he's gonna be,

1662
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:48,720
like is he ahead Of Anthony black in the guard?

1663
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,399
ROTATION i doubt? It all, Right so he's your fourth

1664
01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:54,640
guard at absolute best with if you assume Sugs Bin,

1665
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,479
Black i'm probably forgetting somebody else and then on a

1666
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,840
team Where polo And franz are going to handle the ball.

1667
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:01,600
Too like there just may not be a ton of

1668
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:05,079
opportunities For, richardson which is, fine he's a twenty fifth.

1669
01:15:05,079 --> 01:15:06,319
Pick but, YEAH i think you're.

1670
01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:07,359
Speaker 2: Right, no that's franchise.

1671
01:15:07,399 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 1: Malpractice and we will now resume critiquing the uh generational,

1672
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:14,560
hater Says Raptors stands are Crucifying Colin Murray boyle online

1673
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,199
for looking like he was shaking his head and saying

1674
01:15:17,279 --> 01:15:20,039
fuck when The raptors drafted, him maybe he doesn't have his.

1675
01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: Passport, yeah we ever think of.

1676
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,119
Speaker 1: That look he's probably looking at, LIKE i don't, KNOW

1677
01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:26,880
i guess Like i'm just gonna be playing crab.

1678
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 2: SPACES i didn't see. THAT i really don't think.

1679
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,159
Speaker 1: That i'd be shocked if that was like his Real

1680
01:15:32,279 --> 01:15:34,920
the only player in, this like even the Member Joel

1681
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,439
embiid when he was drafted By philly at the, time

1682
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,199
everyone's trying to reading into. It there's probably always something

1683
01:15:40,399 --> 01:15:42,760
like that's a Huge there's always something else going. On

1684
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:45,000
and also these guys have way more intel than we.

1685
01:15:45,079 --> 01:15:46,479
DO i know this draft was a bit of a

1686
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,800
crap shoot after number two, basically but he probably had

1687
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,000
a pretty good idea of where he.

1688
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 2: Was going at that.

1689
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 1: Point so really the only one would be In Ace,

1690
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,399
bailey WHO'S i know you didn't Watch.

1691
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: Grants i'll inform you this is by the, way shout

1692
01:15:59,000 --> 01:15:59,239
out to.

1693
01:15:59,239 --> 01:16:01,119
Speaker 1: You it's like, YOU i think it's kind of, easy

1694
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:04,279
but you went five for five to start on those,

1695
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:08,439
picks AND i love this. Bit last year you suggested

1696
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,279
to me that we do, this AND i was kind

1697
01:16:10,279 --> 01:16:12,720
of skeptical because in my. HEAD i was, like all,

1698
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,239
right LIKE i don't know how this is gonna, go

1699
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:16,399
and then it feels like a lot's gonna be on

1700
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,640
me to like guide the. Discussion but you once, again

1701
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,920
ABSOLUTELY i had faith this. Year THOUGH i had no

1702
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:23,199
faith in you last, year.

1703
01:16:23,319 --> 01:16:26,199
Speaker 2: Complete faith in you this. YEAR i love this bit

1704
01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:27,000
and shout out.

1705
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,039
Speaker 1: To you BECAUSE i feel LIKE i get fomo if

1706
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:31,359
you told ME i couldn't watch the, draft AND i

1707
01:16:31,359 --> 01:16:33,880
don't think that like that's a you might downplay it

1708
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,199
because you're just that that's who you, are but THAT

1709
01:16:36,279 --> 01:16:37,199
i wouldn't be able to do.

1710
01:16:37,239 --> 01:16:39,039
Speaker 2: That SO i commend you for getting through.

1711
01:16:39,079 --> 01:16:42,520
Speaker 3: It thank. You i'll accept the. COMPLIMENT i WISH i

1712
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,039
could remember WHY i suggested it last. Year it was

1713
01:16:45,039 --> 01:16:47,159
probably BECAUSE i couldn't watch the. DRAFT i had, like

1714
01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:49,399
SO i don't know what that would have. Been but,

1715
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,880
uh now we have to keep doing it to see

1716
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,439
IF i can go six for six to, start just

1717
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:57,800
just to see like what the what are the upper

1718
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:03,279
limits of OF uh guessing? SUCCESS i will say, Uh

1719
01:17:04,079 --> 01:17:07,760
A's bailey like slipping made it a lot more. EXCITING

1720
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,159
i was pretty confident he was gonna, slip BUT i

1721
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:11,439
BUT I i don't know.

1722
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:14,279
Speaker 2: That I'll i'll always just we'll have to see how

1723
01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:14,600
it turns.

1724
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: Out BUT i do Applaud utah for taking him, anyway

1725
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,520
because they're in a position where if you think he

1726
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,840
has cornerstone, upside like you need that, dude, right, yeah,

1727
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:27,119
risky but, hey, dang you guys are still? Alive rumbor has? It? Uh,

1728
01:17:27,159 --> 01:17:30,680
okay this IS fev got two years fifty million.

1729
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 2: Dollars do you think he get more or?

1730
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 1: Less he basically did you notice he basically ran a

1731
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,439
bye to get one special grant where it's like that,

1732
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,359
well because he was basically gonna make four was it

1733
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:45,399
forty four million? Dollars, yeah so he got two years

1734
01:17:45,399 --> 01:17:47,720
and fifty which basically replaced his last. Season so it's, like,

1735
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,079
oh you paid for your you gave him my two,

1736
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:51,199
Years i'm gonna give you one for.

1737
01:17:51,239 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 2: Free basically basically.

1738
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,960
Speaker 3: YEAH i mean like that's a screaming deal for The

1739
01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:57,560
rockets that that is less THAN i thought he would,

1740
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,439
get because it's, like, Why i'm pretty sure he could

1741
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,800
expect to make more than six million dollars in free

1742
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,880
agency next next, Summer like that's are you sure? SURE

1743
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:11,359
i feel good about? IT i think it's. Likely, yeah

1744
01:18:11,359 --> 01:18:15,159
that that ALMOST i like that smacks of like there

1745
01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:18,479
was an agreement a wink wink at some point, before

1746
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,000
because like ops out of forty four to take fifty

1747
01:18:22,039 --> 01:18:24,640
over two. Years, well it was a team, option so

1748
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,039
it wasn't all, right you, know never mind forget WHAT i.

1749
01:18:27,039 --> 01:18:31,159
Speaker 1: Said, yeah it does make me, question, like so they guaranteed.

1750
01:18:31,239 --> 01:18:33,640
Him let's say they guaranteed him one hundred million dollars

1751
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,640
over three, years which is actually less than.

1752
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 2: That The raptors weren't willing to do.

1753
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:42,239
Speaker 3: That that's, True, NO i mean that that comes out

1754
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:46,880
THAT i wonder what would he what would Van fleet

1755
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:51,039
have gotten in in unrestricted free? Agency like, Average well

1756
01:18:51,079 --> 01:18:51,279
that was.

1757
01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:53,520
Speaker 1: Generational hater asked what what team was going to offer

1758
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:56,560
money in free? AGENCY i, mean, yeah there's the whole

1759
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,159
there's not cap space floating. Around we're not saying The

1760
01:18:59,239 --> 01:19:01,319
raptors should have. Souse we're saying The rocket should have

1761
01:19:01,359 --> 01:19:04,319
picked up the team. Option we're just, saying, like he

1762
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,880
signs that deal knowing the cap space landscape in twenty twenty,

1763
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,880
five so it was just he caught he knew this was,

1764
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,119
coming and so this amounts to like a three for

1765
01:19:13,239 --> 01:19:15,640
ninety million dollar deal or whatever it ends up. BECOMING

1766
01:19:16,199 --> 01:19:18,399
i just that makes The raptor's decision making to let

1767
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:19,680
him leave for nothing look even.

1768
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,199
Speaker 3: Worse to me because because that feels like market rate

1769
01:19:22,319 --> 01:19:25,359
or like, better like that FEELS i mean from his

1770
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,720
like that's pretty that's that's pretty. Good, YEAH i don't

1771
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,359
know The rockets are, scary, man that that's just like

1772
01:19:31,399 --> 01:19:35,399
a lot they have a lot of good. Players thailand,

1773
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:37,239
says it looks LIKE i missed The asa noule. Chat

1774
01:19:37,359 --> 01:19:39,640
how about The hawks getting the single most attractive draft

1775
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,680
draft asset To, MILWAUKEE i mean Or New? Orleans, Right,

1776
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:46,039
like it's either one of us looking pretty. Good i've

1777
01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:46,880
liked That New orleans.

1778
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 1: Upside, yeah on top of as Of, newell which is

1779
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:52,359
like a solid pickup for them and someone who probably

1780
01:19:52,359 --> 01:19:56,720
could be in the rotation from day. One maybe, SURE i,

1781
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,279
mean LIKE i don't know how much they actually like

1782
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,800
need him now that you Have pors and Uh On

1783
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:03,880
Yaka kunglu, there but like as a third big Like

1784
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,039
Larry Nance junior is a free, Agent clickapella is a free.

1785
01:20:06,039 --> 01:20:10,079
Agent so but, yeah The, hawks we already mentioned this

1786
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:11,600
tie and so if you go back and watch the.

1787
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,359
Replay we didn't take too deep into as And. Newell

1788
01:20:13,399 --> 01:20:15,720
we were only doing the lottery. Stuff but The hawks

1789
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,600
just Got we like what they've done so, far and

1790
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:19,680
they just got way more fascinating.

1791
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:23,520
Speaker 3: For the rest of this. Offseason, Yeah, grant how are you?

1792
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:27,520
Feeling i'm feeling pretty. GOOD i, mean, LIKE i, uh

1793
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:31,199
is there anything ELSE i could? Guess, like, like just

1794
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:32,239
just not now need a?

1795
01:20:32,279 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: Prediction give us one prediction for the rest of the off.

1796
01:20:35,039 --> 01:20:39,560
Speaker 3: Season let's. See, WELL i already said That horford's gonna

1797
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:41,600
be gone From? Boston does?

1798
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,279
Speaker 2: That can you tell me where he's? Going are you

1799
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:44,319
putting him on The? Warriors?

1800
01:20:44,399 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 3: No Because i'm super on the, SPOT i was forget

1801
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,880
WHAT i was. Reading you, know my, memory if it

1802
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,640
doesn't INVOLVE nba players from the late, nineties it isn't. Good.

1803
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:56,600
Uh there was a team THAT i know that that

1804
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:58,760
based on a move that they had. Made it was

1805
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,520
a good team and they just cleared enough to use

1806
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,920
the full mid level AND i can't remember who it.

1807
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,680
Was AND i was, like, Oh Al horford might go.

1808
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:09,239
There this is all riveting podcasting BECAUSE i can't remember

1809
01:21:09,239 --> 01:21:11,199
what team that. Was he's gonna go to that team

1810
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,520
wherever it. IS i predict, THAT i predict that we

1811
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:16,880
have fun doing this again next? Year is? That does that?

1812
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,119
Count and and uh That i'll enjoy it just as.

1813
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 1: Much we're Not we're not gonna combust like the phoenix

1814
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:24,760
suns in the.

1815
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,159
Speaker 3: Sun isn't?

1816
01:21:26,199 --> 01:21:26,319
Speaker 2: It?

1817
01:21:26,359 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 3: Like do you ever feel BECAUSE i really take shots

1818
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:30,720
at the suns a, lot do you ever feel like

1819
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,199
it's time to lay? Off because it's like it's, two.

1820
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,439
Speaker 1: Here's the, thing AND i, think and it's okay because

1821
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,960
fans like are inextricably tied to their. FANDOMS i am

1822
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,000
never insulting an entire fan base at.

1823
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,479
Speaker 2: Once And i'm Also i'm very rarely insulting the.

1824
01:21:44,520 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: Players, Yeah I'm i'm prouching UP i.

1825
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 3: Feel and that's HOW i justify it to myself As,

1826
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:53,159
oh the the, billionaire like he's gonna be fine if

1827
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:55,279
someone like me is like giving him a hard, Time

1828
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:56,479
he's never gonna see.

1829
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,920
Speaker 1: It he'll keeping do you disagree with? ME i can't

1830
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,159
fall asleep at. NIGHT i would imagine THAT hbo is

1831
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:02,960
the same.

1832
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 3: Way he's just just riddled with anxiety and he just

1833
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:08,880
hates he could just feel It i'm sure.

1834
01:22:09,239 --> 01:22:12,159
Speaker 1: We did have a comment From Future monitor, Again Chris,

1835
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:14,279
paul who's ever teach McComas? Had are their benefits to

1836
01:22:14,319 --> 01:22:16,760
being low to the? Ground jase guarded well in college.

1837
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 3: Too it's probably there's so many short guys in THE, nba,

1838
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,079
Right that's probably WHY i height. It, PROBABLY i, mean come, on,

1839
01:22:23,279 --> 01:22:26,560
yeah there are, exceptions generally, speaking not great to be.

1840
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:31,039
Speaker 1: Small the defender, great that's his pathway to playing For.

1841
01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:33,479
Orlando those they've just shown that they're probably not gonna

1842
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:36,159
play guys even, there even trading For Desmond, bain how

1843
01:22:36,199 --> 01:22:38,399
long do we wanted to Get Anthony simon's and Then

1844
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,640
i'm getting someone who would not be targeted as often.

1845
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:45,199
Speaker 3: DEFENSIVELY i Respect orlando being kind of uncompromising and, like,

1846
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:47,760
yeah we know we need, offense but we're. Not you've

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01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,560
got a guard or you're just sorry you can't play,

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01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:51,640
THAT i guess kind.

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01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:52,039
Speaker 2: OF i.

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Speaker 3: LIKE i like having their principled if nothing, Else.

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01:22:55,399 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 2: Uh you have anything? Else are you ready to take

1852
01:22:57,880 --> 01:22:58,359
us out of? Here?

1853
01:22:58,359 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 1: Now that you need to thank you for everyone because

1854
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:03,399
we didn't plan to go. Live this is, like so

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01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:05,159
there weren't as many people in here as, normal But

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01:23:05,199 --> 01:23:07,640
we just threw it up randomly BECAUSE i don't want

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to edit an entire. Vision that's why the typos are gonna.

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Stay Normally i'll go back and post and fix, those but,

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uh this is all staying one.

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Speaker 3: Take, yeah, perfect got, it got it in. One thanks

1861
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,680
everybody for, Listening thanks for, Commenting thanks for. Watching h

1862
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:24,039
this will be up you know you can you, know,

1863
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:26,159
sorry or if you're watching this not, live you're really

1864
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:27,960
missed out on an, experience.

1865
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,560
Speaker 2: You, know but watch it three times.

1866
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,159
Speaker 3: Anyway, yeah to help you algorithm and do all the rate. Reviews,

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01:23:33,159 --> 01:23:36,560
subscribe comment on. It you know that we'll still respond

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01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:40,520
to THOSE ms to sit. Damn sometimes tell your, friends

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tell your. Enemies shouts for a TEEN a politics chair