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Speaker 2: Do Yo Yo Yo? What's up? Welcome everybody. Y'all liking
this new setup? I hope so. So. We are going
to be covering a couple of films that you might
be surprised we haven't covered yet. And we're a full
on podcasters now because we have a double microphone and
hopefully it.
Speaker 1: Works two microphones. Check check can you hear me on
my own?
Speaker 2: I think we're doing good.
Speaker 1: We're fancying now nice moving on.
Speaker 2: Now, show everybody your special T shirt that you're wearing.
Speaker 5: We're doing They.
Speaker 2: Can't see that. It says you're my national treasure. And
he's smiling from his vampire movie.
Speaker 1: This is the first Christmas present you ever got me
when we met we were dating.
Speaker 2: Yes, I hope you guys like it. We already got
some members what's up to Daniel? What's up to.
Speaker 4: U?
Speaker 2: Sito? What's up to super colifragilistic gorilla tones? And we
got average redhead.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna steal the Declaration of independent I'm gonna steal
the Declaration of Independach.
Speaker 1: What do you think I'm going to kidnap the president.
Speaker 3: I'm going to kidnap the president. I'm gonna steal Milania
the first lady. I'm gonna feed a ram noodles in
a page?
Speaker 2: Is this good? Are you comfortable? By the way, thank
you to the guys who super chattle last night. I
wanted to do hades on dat I missed his super
chatt He says, I'm going to into the script clubs
pondering meta fe No, we did that one. I think
I'm just making sure I didn't miss one of the
super chats. All right, So why have we not done
National Treasure? I'm not exactly sure. I mean, it feels
like something that we should have done. I think I
mentioned it on a Boiler Room livestream maybe five years ago.
And sometimes these you know, esoltery classics, we just kind
of bypassed and we actually forget them. So but we're
here to do it now, and before we kick it off,
here's the weird thing that happened. When we started watching
the movie. I was like, I bet you there's gonna
be some reference to the book that Jamie read, because
Jamie read like a seven hundred page book on five
or six hundred how many It was like five hundred,
five hundred page book on the architecture and symbolism of DC.
And it's a scholarly text, but it got into a
lot of the esltary stuff.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, it's called Secret Architecture of Our Nation's Capital
and it's on my member sex on my channel if
you want the whole two hour long book report where
we're going to go over some of the highlights. Because
the book popped up in the freaking movie. That's so crazy.
Speaker 2: I had a feeling. I was like, I wonder if
this movie relates to that book. And then when Nick
Cage goes into the bookstore in DC when he's gonna
steal the Declaration of Independence, sure enough, right by the
checkout counter when he's got the fake Declaration of Independence?
Is this book? And Jamie didn't believe me. It was
for I was like, that's your book She's like no.
I was like, yes, it is right.
Speaker 1: They're seeing the market.
Speaker 2: What was it saying?
Speaker 1: So you got to echo?
Speaker 2: All right, So when one person's talking, we'll just have
to mute the other one because otherwise you got to
be like further away, I think is the issue. So
when you're talking, just un mute and then I'll mute.
So so we finally come to it. And there's a
couple of books also that I think irrelevant to this
because we have discussed the esoteric history of America. We've
talked about Freemasonry, the Enlightenment, We've talked about all the
secret societies that were involved in the founding of the
US many times in many podcasts. But there's a key
text that deals with this from the actual Congressional Librarian
archivist James H. Billington. That's Firing the Minds of Men,
the History of the Revolutionary Faith, and this gets into
everything post French Revolution that led up to the American Revolution.
So there's a couple other books that I'll mention too.
Jamie and I actually did a podcast years ago on
Manly P. Hall's Secret Destiny of America where we get
into the nitty gritty of the esoteric idea of America
as the new Atlantis, et cetera, et cetera. Do you
want to get to some of your highlights first or
you want to get into the movie.
Speaker 1: Let's say to do both as we can own. Yeah,
it's on we can talk about DC itself.
Speaker 2: So all right, so let's let's get to the first
one then. So it was it was a.
Speaker 1: Lot of.
Speaker 2: We got to go back in time to the Civil War, right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well it was interesting because it's also about bloodlines,
and it gets back into that in the second part.
So Nicholas Cage is in this long line of Mason's
and Patriots, and that's part of the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So in the beginning, we have this sort of
Goonies like scene where young Nick Cage, who is played
by a child actor that looks absolutely nothing like Nick
Cage whatsoever. So he decides that he's gonna go looking
in his granddad's treasure chests up in the attic and
he finds what was it a map or something. He
finds something.
Speaker 1: Now, he finds the book that reminded me of Never
Ending story because it had that big symbol on the cover.
Speaker 2: So it was like that, Yeah, and he we have
this montage of a flashback right where he goes back
to the time of the Revolutionary War, right, and the
Revolutionary War he gets his hands laid on him by
his granddad, his Masonic granddad's Masonic succession here, and we
find out that Charles Carroll, who was one of the
Catholic signers of the declaration. Turns out Charles Carroll, according
to the film, was a Freemason. I don't know if
that's actually true though, because he was. They were committed
Roman Catholics. They're one of the few Roman Catholic families
early on. Now it's possible that the Carols were also Freemasons.
Plenty of Catholics have been Freemasons, but I thought that
was an odd reference. But right away we see Christopher
Plummer's I transitions into the all seeing I have the pyramid.
So right away this this sequence right here, it grew
where and it turns into the myth of the Templars. So,
in other words, America is this lineage from ancient Egypt
all the way to the Templars to the founding of America,
which is like straight out of Manly p Hall type mythology.
Speaker 1: Well, I just think it's interesting how a lot of
people are fighting right now who is an American and
who's like a heritage American who deserves to be called American?
What is all this? And they have no idea about
any of this history of the Masonic Revolutionary War, or
that the Enlightenment ideals or anything like that. So it's like,
do you believe in Atlantis? That's part of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, certainly a lot of the people who
were early on in this you know, Enlightenment experiment believed
in some of these Rosicrucian esoteric Masonic principles. I don't
think all of them did. But you know, you have
other esoteric influences too, like the hell Fire Club, Benjamin
Franklin being you know, a member of that sort of
Wild Eyes, White Shut style Satanic group. You know, you
have Sons of Liberty with Patrick Henry, et cetera. But
I just thought it was interesting that somehow we have
this connection to the Templars. But I've never understood why
there is supposed to be a connection to the Templars.
I'm aware of the Templar mythology and the whole story.
I've read two or three books on the history of
the Templars. So I know that the narrative, but I actually,
as I get older, I tend to think, no, this
is actually just something concocted by Free Masonic groups to
give a kind of an ancient lore to their subversive
revolutionary society. Hence, we're the builders. We go all the
way back to Hiramobiff, we all go all the way
back to the builders of the pyramids, you know. And
they actually make reference in this early sequence too. The
Templars knew the quote secrets of the ancient Freemasons and
they were the builders.
Speaker 1: Well, so this starts in the Revolutionary War, and the
sequel starts in the Civil War. Right, So if you're
going back to the secret architecture of our nation's capital book,
this kind of starts out before Washington, DC was even
a thing. And it used to be called foggy Bottom
because of the like pesti mudflats. So it really was
a swamp right muddy, yes, like the mud flats on
a trucker.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought that was a name for a girl's butt,
like a fat girl's butt or something.
Speaker 1: No, the mud flats. So DC itself is built on
this swampy, swamp, foggy.
Speaker 2: It's a swamp to drain.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's why they would say drain the swamp.
And it was like literally known for its deafening frog
uh and cough inducing mists. Yeah, frogs like frog's croakie
the frogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like deafening frog.
Speaker 1: Deafening frog. Yeah, it was hypnotodet but then it was
called Funkstown after a Dutch settler named Jacob Funk. But
then when they're building it, you have to notice that
there are twenty zodiacs in Central DC and that's like
way more than any other city. And this secret Architecture
spends hundreds of pages talking about how the city was
built as a like a body of a god or
a goddess to hold these people in its womb. And
so he talks about the Egyptian hieroglyphs that seemed to
be the source of the five pointed star on the
American flag, which is like serious or serious b right,
there's whole books written about that. And then the other
part of this is electricity. So this is also a
new thing that's going to be incorporated into the city
because of Benjamin Franklin. And it was going to be
like this new era of light or lucifer, right with
electricity and this new city that they built from the
ground up. And also goddess worships. So there's a giant
allegorical female statue of America which is on the capital dome.
Speaker 2: Freak, yeah, coming again to say the mother freaking day America.
We've all forgotten that. Is there more? I don't want
to cut you.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's way more.
Speaker 2: Like there's like, okay, we let's follows real quick there,
because this is the book Jamie's talking about that she
read what last year or a year ago, Yeah, David
o'vasin's big book, Secret Architecture of Nations Capital. So this
is not a conspiracy text. It's more of a historical
architecture book. But yeah, Columbia, Lady Liberty, right, These were
all sort of allegorical representations of the goddess. And this
idea of the whole city being laid out like a man,
that's from Plato's Republic, right, that's the esoteric idea that
the whole city is a kind of embodiment of the
macrocosm in the microcosm, so the body of a man
is the structure not just of the city or Plato's
perfect republic ideal city, but also it's the structure of
the universe in the Timaeis. So this whole esoteric idea
always goes back to Plato and neo Platonism.
Speaker 1: Well, the Egyptian temples were also built on this idea
that this is like the as above, so below like
microcosm macrocosm of a man.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, this is an old principle. It's in Saint
Maximistic Confessor, it's in the Orthodox Church Fathers, it's in Plato,
it's in you know, it goes back to the Hermetica.
It's an ancient idea and it's decided mystical correspondences. But
what was the basis for The one thing I was
curious to learn from you when you read this book,
which I didn't know about, was the zodiac stuff. Why
was there a zodiac? You said the cities laid out
with zodiacs or they're just buildings.
Speaker 1: There's twenty zodiacs incorporated into the main architecture of downtown DC.
And it's not just about the zodiac, it's about the
constellation Virgo. So all of these zodiacs point to Virgo
the Virgin, which he is equating with the God series
or Demeter.
Speaker 2: So that's like Columbia. Yeah, okay, interesting And we know,
of course that Freemasons were involved in all this architecture
of DC for sure, and they even bring this up
in the film, which is interesting because I think to
some degree this book had to play a role in
the crafting of the narrative of National Treasure One, because
there's clues in the architecture. There's clues in all the DC,
like the layout of DC. A lot of this I
didn't remember, right because I haven't seen this film in years,
and to go back and watch it, and actually there's
quite a bit of details, even though this is a
corny Disney, you know, version of Indiana Jones, but just
with Nick Cage, there was a little bit more in
it than I remembered. And it gets pretty it gets
fairly esoteric, more than you would think.
Speaker 1: Oh, electricity didn't come until the eighteen eighties, but the
esotericis held this idea that the electricity would promote a
new life for mankind and it was a change in
the nature of humanity, and it was like this intellectual electricity.
So I know electricity wasn't.
Speaker 2: During the We know that they weren't like using electric
cattle prods back in the seventeen hundreds.
Speaker 1: But it's the time of the Enlightenment, is what we're
trying to talk about.
Speaker 2: The you gotta so also the uh there's an immediate
reference to the all seeing eye on the dollar bill,
like right away, so that they pack all of this
of Masonic conspiracy stuff into like the first five minutes,
which was interesting. I didn't recall any of that, but
I didn't also didn't realize that in the film, Nick
Cage is named Benjamin Gate after Benjamin Franklin. As we said,
Ben Franklin was of course a member of the hell
Fire Club to some degree of kind of a Satanist,
it appears. And also the term Gate in Freemasonry is
very important in their symbology. It signifies Yakin and Boaz,
the two pillars of the temple, and it's a symbol
or an image of initiation. So the idea is that
it's enlightenment. And that's exactly why in the film you
always see in the promos for the film, you always
see Nick Cage carrying the torch, because he is carrying
the Torch of Liberty or Lady Liberty.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna hear a lot of like the Golden Age,
Age of the Sun, stuff like that when you're talking
about Enlightenment. They called this the Age of the Sun.
And the street plan of d C was a radiant
that was on a grid of streets oriented on a
north south line. Is said in a fashion historians trace
to Rome or Babylon. So in my talk at our conference,
it was called from Rome to Washington, d C. And
we traced a lot of things that came out of
the Roman Empire into District of Columbia itself.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the founders, you know, and the builders,
so to speak, they were looking back to previous civilizations.
So they want to incorporate elements of Rome, elements of
even perhaps Babylon and you know, the great cities of old.
But they also wanted to update it and give it
this Republican flavor. And if you go back and watch
National Treasure, one thing again that stands out that I
didn't recall was these constant references that Nick Cage May
and John Boyd and Riley as well to the importance
of the American Democratic Revolutionary principles, and they keep going
back to it, they keep her referencing it. For example,
when they're about to steal it, Nick Cage starts telling
Riley this sort of prosaic, you know, emotional moment about
how we don't need kings anymore, and we decided that
no man should have that much power, no one should
have that much wealth. There's almost this like coded revolutionary
communistic element to it, because the treasure actually ends up
being literal, you know, hordes of gold that Nick Cage
says that nobody should have, No one man should have
all of that when he tells that to Harvey Kattell,
the FBI agent, who we also find out is a freemason.
But the other thing that doesn't that I didn't recall
was that there's a reference to Nick Cage's bloodline, and
his bloodline is very important in the film, even to
the point that early on when they're looking for the
pipe that's hidden in the sunken ship the Charlotte, they
find this pipe and in order to decode it, he
pricks his finger and uses his blood, and so you
have this bloodline symbolism that's constantly referenced, and even in
Part two, Nick cage is all about clearing his family's name, right.
He wants to protect his bloodline, even though he doesn't
have children, which is odd because he seems to be
sort of a player, we learn at first before he
meets Diane Krueger, But even when he marries Diane Krueger,
they don't have kids yet. Maybe in Part three, which
we just found out there's going to be a Part three,
maybe he'll have some little nicks. But what do you
make of the references to the bloodline. He puts his
blood on the pipe code or the pipe cipher, and
they find out that there's this weird sort of Jordan
Maxwell word play at work. We'll talk about that in
a second. But actually ciphers and codes and all that
that does have quite a bit of pedigree from the
Masonic societies if you go back to the origins of
say the pig Pen's Cipher that comes out of Freemasonry.
So there is a lot of actual accurate history in
this ridiculous movie. That kind of surprised me. I don't
think there is like a secret magic pipe that you know,
you decode with your blood, But what do you think
of the bloodline imagery with Benjamin Gates.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that Burke's peerage.
Speaker 2: Of course, I've looked up the dyers in burs oh.
Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah. What they figured out was that all
of the presidents are related to British Royalty. And I mean,
if you're in the conspiracy realms, you're gonna come across that.
You know, America is a corporation of the British Crown
and the Maritime Admiralty Law and like all of the
Jordan Maxwell stuff. So I think it's just kind of
like a note to that, a nod that this is
an extension of the crown. Still, what do you think
through freemasonry?
Speaker 2: I mean, as possible, I think that there really was
a war for independence. I don't think it was all fake.
I mean the Queen supported the South, which we'll get into,
which does actually come up in part two, and that's
that's accurate. But the first thing that stood out as
kind of absurd, other than the templar stuff, was when
was when he's sitting there with Sean it was seen
Bean and they're trying to decode the pipe and they're
sort of bantering about these different possibilities for wordplay and
the reference on the pipe is something like the iron pen,
and they they do a little wordplay and iron pen,
and then Riley says like a penitentiary, and then Nick
Cage says a resolute pen the Declaration of Independence. This
is how he figures out Declaration of Independence was that
it was penned with iron resolution. So it's like literal like, uh,
the birth of a ship.
Speaker 6: And of course if you look at the birth of
the ship, the birth is where you are born through
your mother's water and the ship sails upon water.
Speaker 2: It's just like retard level wordplay, skitzo level world. But
this is what schitzos do, Like they can't understand like
reference like definitions of words. They mean different things in
different contexts, So then like a schizo will think that
the word has the same reference, and then they'll metaphysically
like make every reference the same. That's how you get schizo.
Speaker 1: I forgot I was gonna say, I was.
Speaker 2: Talking schizo level wordplay. Tara Dactyle, Jordan Maxwell, Okay, that's okay.
You don't have to talk if you forget to get
your ideas. So uh, and I wouldn't be surprised if
if when Disney was crafting this. They didn't actually go
watch them Jordan Maxwell videos about the secret Destiny of
America or whatever.
Speaker 1: Again no, wa uh Jordan Maxwell.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's the.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of one of the annoying things about
this movie, not that there is many, but they already
know everything right off the bat, like he's a human Google.
And that's what I hate about Dan Brown and that
character Robert Langdon Langdon is that he just always knows
everything right off the bat, and there's no whimsical way
that they find out the clues.
Speaker 2: Well again, I mean there is an accurate reference at
the beginning to the All Seeing Eye and that so
all of that conspiracy candy kind of sets the stage
for the rest of the film home, which I have
to admit, like I really thought National Treasure one held
up really well, it's almost twenty years ago. It is
twenty years ago. Basically, it's still pretty funny. Riley and
Nick Cage's banter is pretty funny. Nick Cage acting insane
as he always does, is very entertaining. But they also
make reference to the architecture in the layout of DC.
They said it was a Masonic plan and structure, and
I'm sure everybody's probably familiar with this, But do you
want to if you want to look at some of
your notes right there that you want to talk about,
I'll look up the DC layout.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, it says the Capital Dome is the center
of a compass where the arc of the sunset is
centered and marks the point where the equinoctial and soul
steel points meet and are reconciled. As above. So blow
they call the dome the spiritual full crumb of Washington.
And if you go to the Egyptian a obelisk, a
dome and a pentagram is the Howard glypher serious.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, if you look too, you'll notice the the uh,
there is all kinds of Masonic stuff all over DC. There's,
as Jamie's bookcare points out right, like if you go
you'll find these like mysterious bricked up doors. I've seen
a lot of those in DC. Last time I went.
I noticed a lot more of this than I had
ever cared to notice. But you also have what the
House of the Temple right, which is the sort of
the big grand lodge there in d C, which I
know you've been to. But this is where everybody who
is invited to the thirty third degree after the thirty
second degree goes.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, this is actually Albert Pike's temple and he
is buried there, so we can talk about that in
the part too. But I guess the point about DC
and it's arc texture that we kind of want to
like drive home is that they are it's a goddess
worship architecture, and it's centered on Virgo, which he's equating
with series, but in a quasi Christian way. He said,
you could also interpret it as the Virgin Mary.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean to the Freemasons, they just sort
of mash all of these symbols together and they're the
original Schitzos that make the symbology whatever they want it
to be. Right. For example, my classic favorite example is
the Freemasons, the one that say that the word Solomon,
the name of Solomon is sol like sol invictus Ohm,
which is what the Buddhist chant and on the Egyptian
deity that is not what the name Solomon means. Those
total nonsense, total Schitzo retardation. Shalom is the name, it
means peace, and Hebrews had nothing to do with the
other deities of other religions. But it is correct that,
as you'll know, is here you have the square in
the compass in d C. It is laid out this
way by design. It was designed in a kind of
a Masonic way. Here's another pentagram that was designed in
DC there, so you know, this is kind of old
school conspiracy hat type stuff, but it is relevant to
mention that it is designed intentionally in this kind of
Masonic way. Do you recall the Masonic architect behind a
lot of the stuff. Do you remember what his name was?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lafayette I think was one of them.
Speaker 2: Well General Lafayette. Well, I didn't know he was an architect,
but he might have been.
Speaker 1: I know he was amazing to see, it's in the book.
I can't remember his name. It's in the book report though.
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you guys want to go watch Jamie's
full book report on the Nations Architecture and Capital Layout,
you can go watch is on your channel as it
for members or is a.
Speaker 1: Public It's free on rock fin and then on YouTube
it's for members.
Speaker 2: All right. So the book goes on to discuss I'm scuming.
The movie goes on to discuss the the National Archives,
and I thought, I thought, right, away. This is kind
of a They do make a reference to the Library
of Congress in the first one, and they go to
in the second one, and I thought, well, this has
got to refer in some way also to James Billington,
because his research is so you know, pre eminent, so
famous in terms of firing the minds of men. And
what's amazing about firing the minds of men is when
you read it as we've covered it, you know, many
many times in many podcasts, especially with Tristan. I think
Tristan to the whole podcast just on Firing the Minds
of Men, it admits that the revolutionary faith is a faith, right, so,
and the Enlightenment faith is the faith of the atheistic, communistic,
socialistic revolution that occurred. And it's not empathetical really to
the Jacobins. So you have the Jacobins and the Groundin's
ever since the Enlightenment, you have these two strands of
Enlightenment philosophy, and Billington, who is a fan of it,
basically says, yeah, we're not as radical as the communists,
but it's the same revolutionary power and faith and ethos
that is behind America and the French Revolution. They're both
the same revolution. So do you want a right wing
revolution or a left wing revolution, which in reality means
that they're all leftist revolutions. Is to overthrow, thrown in alter,
that is the revolution, and that is reiterated in the
film Believe It or Not multiple times over where Nick
Cage reiterates the American principles, the founding principles of you know,
no hierarchy, no authority, everybody's equal power comes from the
bottom up right. This is all Masonic revolutionary philosophy. And
they make heavy usage of the all Seeing Eye in
part one, which is of course the you know, chief
symbol of the Freemasons.
Speaker 1: Well, I thought it was interesting they didn't go to
the actual Washington Monument at all.
Speaker 2: Well, you mean, there is a kind of flyover where
they show it in a couple of scenes, just gonna
give b a roll to set the stage that they're
in DC. But it immediately turns into kind of the
vestiges of those nineties films where you've got your team,
you know, you've got kind of like Mission Impossible or
any other film where you've got this this cobbled together
team of misfits that you're having to you know, do
your big black ops with. So you've got John Voyd,
You've got Riley who's the nineties holdover hacker Nerd. You've
got Diane Krueger who's playing the document archivist specialist or whatever.
They got Nick Cage who's basically the Indiana Jones character.
And so this ragtag team is somehow able to combat
the ultimate criminal syndicate, you know, elite crime organization figure.
Sean Bean and I think it's what we were talking
about this when we're watching it. Like in movies, criminals
aren't like just they're not just shitty like street trash.
They're like James Bond. They always make criminals.
Speaker 1: They have unlimited resources.
Speaker 2: They have unlimited resources. They're all like the smoothest like
multimillionaires who have like a team of black ops dudes,
you know, on hand, and like no criminals are actually like,
there's no actual criminals that really act this way in
the real world really well.
Speaker 1: Speaking of Washington Monument, the Obelisk, it says in that
book that the apex of it is made of aluminum
rather than stone, suggesting that is completed but remains technically unfinished,
like the pyramid on the dollar bill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the significance for a lot of the esoteric societies
is that the unfinished Pyramid means that the great Work
is still yet to be complete. In other words, that
there will be some future capping of the stone when
humanity kind of achieves some kind of apotheosis. So it
can be interpreted as an allegory of transhumanism, an allegory
of you know, gnosticism, coming to know the mysteries. Whatever.
It always has this kind of a significance in these
these secret societies, but it's also kind of a bait
and trap, bait and switch trap, which they promised to
the initiates, right like, oh, if you join this society,
you're going to be you know, initiated into these secret
mysteries and pay your dues and you know, let us
touch butts with you, and then you're going to know
the secrets of the universe. But it's always some kind
of we're you know, faking gay thing.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of Gnostics, the earliest surviving zodiac, it says
in Washington, has a mythrick and Gnostic images and projected
the Mother Goddess theme. So that's another thing that we
talk about in that speech that I did at the conference,
is that all of these mother goddesses kind of merged
together into one super goddess, Isis or whatever they call her,
the Goddess with a thousand names, but it is Columbia
of the District of Columbia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, you know, we went and recently I'd
never been to Jamestown, So Jamie and I went to
Jamestown and we went to Colonial Williamsburg and all that.
We got to see all of the original Virginia Company
settlements here. And what was interesting was that I didn't
realize they have, of course a big pillar there where
the original settlement set up, and then they have kind
of a dedication at the bottom and Virginia right because
it's the virgin So there is a reference to the
Virgin Mary. A lot of the original people from the
Virginia Company were Anglican Protestant, but also probably Freemasons as well,
so there is this early, early sort of reference to
the goddess. And I don't think ultimately, especially for these people,
they mean the they don't actually mean like Mary. They
mean some sort of esoteric significance. Because what a lot
of the esoteric societies and occult groups do is they
will say outwardly, oh, yes, we believe in you know,
the Mother of God, we believe in the Virgin, but
they secretly mean, you know, some sort of weird esoteric thing.
So and that's also how they dupe people too. Write
they say, oh, you believe in Christianity. Oh well, let
me tell you the real gnostic interpreted interpretation of Christianity.
When you join our group, we have the real secrets,
the real keys of knowledge, in fact, in morals and dogma,
which I have over there. We've covered this in previous podcasts.
Pike actually says that the real Christianity is what Origin taught.
It's actually neoplatonism and universalism. So they don't shy away
from Christian terms in Christian theology, but they just redefine
it to be some gnostic thing and say, oh, that's
the real Christianity. And they rely on people's ignorance and
you know, word concept fallacies, et cetera, to push a
bunch of nonsense.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so you've got the grain goddess series who
is Virgo? And then in their Christian mysticism, it becomes
the Virgin Mary and the grain becomes the bread of life.
Like you said, everything has this like Christian interpretation put
on top of the pagan.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's another element in this one, which I'm
not sure what to make of it, because they keep
referencing time and clocks over and over and over. What
exactly those significance I mean, I know what the significance
is for the narrative, but what this means in some
sort of esoteric sense, I'm not exactly sure. Obviously, you know,
time is one of the things that keeps us sort
of imprisoned in the esoteric views. So you're racing against
the clock, not just against your death, but against you know,
whatever time frame the you know the I think Harvey
Kottel gives you know, Nick Cage a certain amount of
time to you know, clear his name and to figure
out where Sean Bean is, et cetera. The clock of
the Trinity Church becomes one of the clues that Nick
Age has to see in this sort of Benjamin Franklin
designed you know, ocular bifocals, et cetera. It turns into
this boomer q QAnon q tard code type of thing,
which is actually entertaining. But I was watching this and
I was like, as Nick Cage is wearing these glasses
and figuring out this is what the boomers were thinking
when the q Andon crap was having, Like they think
they're Nick Cage in national treasure, like solving all of
these trump cut q tart codes.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of times, zodiacs are a clock also with
the procession of the equinoxes and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as we move on, we talked about hell
f Our Club, We talked about the Gates family, their lineage.
There's a there's this interesting debate that Nick Cage has
when he when he gets back and sees his dad
because he needs the Silence Do Good letters right, which
is another name for Benjamin Franklin's it's his pen name
for writing these letters. And supposedly there's a code embedded
in the Silence Do Good letters, which John Voyd has.
But when Nick Cage gets there, he's talking to John
Voight and John voy is a total normy, like he's
exited the conspiracy world. He's taken the blue pill. There's
no more conspiracies, it's only clues. It's only uh, you know,
misdirection and disinformation. None of it's real. And they have
this funny debate between the conspiracy theorists and the normy Dad,
which I thought was pretty funny because it's like Nick
Cage's kind of gen xy. He's not really boomer, he's
kind of gen x, but he's debating with a boomer,
and it's actually a pretty accurate debate between what you
would have if you were a conspiracy theorist debating like
a boomer normy.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I thought that was part was pretty entertaining. But eventually
of course gets you know, John Boy back into the
conspiracy world and they decode the the message on the
Declaration of Independence when they steal it. But the other
thing that comes up, I want to say this too,
this was this was I think this is intentional, and
I'm really annoyed by a lot of the you know,
Gematria nonsense and the people who obsess over weird you know,
numbers that are mentioned in movies and then they interpret
and some gets away all this nonsense in they read
into it. But I think in this case, this is
a legitimate situation where the clock tower says two twenty
two when they're trying to decode the Trinity Church tower,
and Riley specifically says he turns to the camry says three
two two. He thinks it's three twenty two, and he's
the one that has to talk about the fact that
there wasn't daylight savings time, so it actually be two
twenty two. But Riley says it's actually three twenty two
technically speaking. And of course three two two is the
famous uh skull and Bones lodge. That's the lodge of
scull and Bones I think originally in Germany.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's just what I was gonna say, three two
two with the time, Okay, okay, So if.
Speaker 2: You look up, if you look up skull and Bones
that you will find that this is actually true. And
this is in Anthony Sutton's History of Skull and Bones two,
by the ways, So this is not a conspiracy gibberish.
This is actual legit history. The first lodge of the
skull and Bones of the bonesmen was in German in
what eighteen eighty two, and it's called Lodge three two two.
So this was this was intentionally put there in the script,
on purpose.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 1: So in this book he actually goes into do the ancients,
do the Masons, do the founding fathers? He says, can
it be true that Masons regard the ancient gods and
goddesses as living beings with power to be still favors
on certain places, and the idea that countries and cities
are ruled by spiritual beings is very ancient. So that
actually goes back to the beginning of creation where God
sets you know, angels over principalities and powers and places,
and some of them fell and some of them didn't.
So that would make certain places more evil than others.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, I mean, I think in
Christian theology, we definitely think that locations, places and things
can you know, be sanctified in take on a you know,
a new reality. Right, they can be transfigured, so to speak.
Sole principle behind relics. Right, relics are you know, energized,
energized by the uncreded energies. So so yeah, And the
other thing what I mentioned too is, as you guys know,
the history of Skull and Bones is where the oss
and Cia, particularly for many decades, recruited out of so
you would be brought into the Skull and Bones Secret Society.
There's others as well. There's a scroll and key, et cetera,
and these kind of become you know, breeding grounds for
potential future intelligence recruits. So a lot of people out
of Wall Street, a lot of people out of you know,
Eastern Seaboard establishment back in the late forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties,
et cetera, were recruited into Skull and Bones, and this
is where they would kind of be, you know, put
into intelligence stuff. As everybody remembers, both John Kerry and
Bush Scene you were members of Skull and Bones, and
they were asked about that by what's his face, the
Matt Matt guy from Meet the Press, and uh, Matt.
That guy didn't live much longer after that. If you
guys remember that this is forgotten conspiracy lore, but this
is legit, like actual conspiracy stuff. Let's see if we
can find it. It might be scrubbed. But that chunky
reporter forget his name, but he was a famous Meet
the Press reporter guy back in the nineties and two thousands,
and he asked I think John Kerry about that when
they were both running you here it is Meet the Press.
You were both listen to this spelling bones the secret Society,
the sub secret We can't talk about what does that
mean for America. The conspiracy theorists are going to go.
I don't know even the number three two two. First
of all, he's not the nominee.
Speaker 1: And uh but uh look I look for.
Speaker 2: Now. I'm not gonna lose. Oh, there we go. There's
some old school also her head Mushard gashes and then uh,
Tim Russer, right, And then Tim Russer asked, Uh, John,
carry the same thing. I think, let's see, let's see
open spelling bone. Let's see if we can get him
asking carry the same question. I'm not gonna lose if
you both remembers of spelling bones. A secret society at Yale?
Speaker 4: What does that tell us? Uh?
Speaker 2: Not much because it's a secret. Is there a secret handshake?
Is there a secret code?
Speaker 3: I wish there were something secred. I could manifest three
twenty two secret.
Speaker 2: Number manifest And then he mentioned three two two. There
are all kinds of secret stem but one thing that's
not a secret, I disagree, classic political deflection. Well, you know,
there's a lot of secrets, but one thing that's not
a secret is this president's handling of the economy. Right
just immediately, U, Well, listen, one thing that's not a
secret is this president's failed policy in the Middle East. Right,
you just deflect the question. That's a classic political non answer.
But you'll notice this is very real. This is classic
conspiracy stuff. I remember when this came out, and I
remember Alex playing it. This is two thousand and six,
and again, Tim Russer did not live much longer after
all this. He met an early, somewhat early demise. I'm
not saying that it was because he asked this question. However,
to my knowledge, nobody in mainstream media had really asked
that kind of a question to you know, people in
the political power structure at that level to date. I
mean maybe they had. There's a few news reports on
on Bohemian Grove, but you know, there was wasn't really
a lot of discussion of Skull and Bones in mainstream
media at all until it came out. There. There was
that one TV movie, Brotherhood of the Bell, which is
also a kind of a conspiracy classic if you enjoy
old conspiracy movies. It might actually be on YouTube if
you guys are interested in this. And I did a
podcast with Jones picking Bones yes here it is right
here many years ago, maybe twenty twenty, and we covered
Brotherhood of the Bell. I think it should be somewhere
on the channel still, but you can watch the whole
movie here, and it's really based on Skull and Bones.
There's also the one with who's that guy from the
two thousands? The order has no the Skull and Bones
movie with Josh Jackson in it. That one's also explicitly
skull and Bones. We should watch that too, that'd be
a fun conspiracy rewind well.
Speaker 1: Speaking of skullduggery, Skull and Bones, speaking of skulldugery. This
book also talks a little bit about like occultism in
the not so distant past. So he's talking about in
the nineteen fifties, he said, CIA Miles Copeland ran what
he called the Cosmic Operations Bureau for the CIA, better
known as OHP or Occultism in High Places, which was
a program to infiltrate astrologers, gurus, and scientologists into inner
circles of world leaders who were known to be susceptible
to such things.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm the one that was telling you that you
should look into that. The Miles Copeland book is rare.
It's hard to find, but I have, of course, we
lectured through Miles Copeland's CIA memoirs Game of Nations, and
I have his other book, but one where he talks
about occultism and high places as a CIA program is
really rare. It's hard to find. It's the Skulls. This
is also a fun you know, two thousand era, you know,
conspiracy classic with Josh Jackson being recruited into Skull and
Bones and it's a coach if you remember, is the villain.
He's the one that's running the Running the Bones operation.
I know, right, So this is where you get branded,
which is a real thing. You do get branded in
a lot of secret society. Crowley, remember Crowley would brand
his his initiates. But again this is based on actual
Skull and Bones initiation. The Good Shepherd with Matt Damon
of course, has the same scene sequences where you're initiated
into Skull and Bones at Yale, Harvard, et cetera. So
where are we at though, Let's get.
Speaker 1: Back to Nick Cage found the bifocals remember that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the ocular, the study of optics, you know,
this was key to the advancement of technology, the camera,
et cetera. And you go all the way back to
even esotericist like Descartes Descartes was studied uh optics and refraction,
and you know, obviously the same with the with Ben
Franklin studying that. But we wouldn't be where we are
with cameras right, and technology in terms of like computers
without the setting the stage with the optics studies. And
so I think that's one reason why the all sing
I played such a key role in this and all
the you know, Egyptian symbology. It's everywhere in this film,
the Declaration of Independence, of course, being this sort of
relic if you're an Americanist, it's it's like the ultimate
you know, documents symbolizing what you see there, the all
sing eyes, freedom from all tyranny six simper tyrannus, right,
the torch of liberty. We covered that. The treasurer we
find out is actually not just gold, but it's also
Diane Krueger says, the Alexandrian scrolls that were destroyed in
the Fires of Alexandria, which ancient you know, deception and
lying mythology. Trust to pend that on the Christians. Oh,
the Christians hated the nosis, so they burned down the
Alexandrian Library, which is all Bologne. That's not true, they
try to blame Saint Cyril for you know, killing Hypatia
as well, all that sort of Masonic mythology. But it's
the old saying eye itself in the film that is
what you have to reach through. Remember that where Nick
kh has to poke through there to get through to
the treasure room when he lights the torch of Liberty.
And this is in the catacombs underneath Trinity Church. So
the idea here is that you have Christianity as the
sort of upper you know, frontispiece, the face, the religion
that faces reality, but secretly in the catacombs underneath Christianity,
right is the real secrets of Esoterism. The cryptocracy understands
and knows reality. And that's why when they get down
into the treasure chambers, there's a sequence of rooms that
signify ancient civilizations. So you have like ancient Babylon in Egypt,
and then you cross into a room that's Christian with
templar and you know, cross imagery, and then you get
to the big treasure room, which is the real secret,
which Nick Cage offers to Harvey Kaitel as a kind
of bargaining chip to not go to jail.
Speaker 1: Well, This is kind of reflected too in something that
he talked about in the book, which is the two
separate cornerstone ceremonies. So if you go to Alexandria across
the river from DC and go to the George Washington
Masonic Memorial, it's a giant obelisk shaped building dedicated to
George Washington his Masonic career and the I mean, there's
got to be a twenty foot painting on the wall
of fresco of George Washington laying the Masonic cornerstone. But
there are two different cornerstones, like you just said, there's
the hidden one and the visible ones. So they would
do separate rituals for each one because that was the
one underground in the one above ground. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the katabasis is obviously you know, that
comes up all the time in literature. We've covered that
many times. But it's fascinating to see the use of
this in this movie, which I didn't recall. I didn't
expect that. I think it's making reference to, you know,
the the underground nature of secret societies, that they can
keep the secrets in the catacombs and they know what's
really going on. And then you have this corny ending
where when he's talking to Harvey Cattel all right, when
they're trying to figure out how to divvy up the treasure,
and Nick Cage tells him that, you know, it's for
the people. It's too much money for one person. Nobody
should have that much wealth. So you almost have this
quasi socialistic message. And actually socialism and communism come out
of the Freemasonic revolutionary secret societies.
Speaker 1: That picture you just had up, that's another example of
the esoteric idea of as above so below the one
with the Washington monument reflecting on the reflexing pool, so
that is what that is.
Speaker 2: Also. Yeah, so you have this anti capitalist, anti monarchist
sort of vibe towards the end of the film, which
I thought was pretty corny but overall still a lot
of fun. And then what does the end with? It
ends with a bang. It ends with Nick Cage finally
getting laid because are not Maelan and Ackerman. Diane Krueger says, oh,
I left you a map to the bedroom. Haha. So
it ends with like it progresses to like sex magic
or something at the end.
Speaker 1: What did you think of her being an immigrant in
the movie, Oh I forgot about this.
Speaker 2: This is another interesting little tidbit where it was like, uh,
when Nick Cage first gets there with Riley and they're
trying to convince Diane Krueger that they have this, you know,
secret information that could lead to you know, somebody trying
to steal the Declaration of Independence, namely Sean Bean. Right,
she does obviously doesn't believe him. She thinks it's preposterous.
And he's like, oh, I see, so you're not American
and she goes, I am American. She's like, I was
born in Germany, but I'm an American. Right, So there's
this sort of immigration message, right, like anybody is an American?
How dare you say that it's only the heritage people.
But the funny thing too, I was like, Okay, so
she's like this blue eyed, blonde bombshell, and I'm like, yeah,
I'm pretty sure that that's not what the migrants look
like that are coming here. There's there's not a lot
of giant Kruger's coming here.
Speaker 1: All immigrants are beautiful blondes that go to work at
the Capitol building.
Speaker 2: Or a document archives specialists. Right, They're not Somali ad
Iq creatures. They're actually Dyan Krueger's everywhere.
Speaker 1: That's why do you want to deport them?
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was a Natural Treasure one A lot
of fun. I had a blast, you know, re re
experiencing this coming back, you know, with so much more
kind of esoteric information and knowledge that I haven't seen
in a long time. I had a blast. Did you
enjoy it as much?
Speaker 1: As? This is one of those movies that's extremely rewatchable,
kind of like The Mummy, that's it's always going to
be fun every time, even though you've seen it one
hundred times.
Speaker 2: Let's read a few of the super chaps before we
get to the next section, National Treasure two. Now, somebody
is super chad to be saying that I got refuted
and exposed. Oh I love a good exposed video, So
let's see how I got exposed. This says that apparently
I'm I don't actually believe in God because there was
a clip of me saying that God doesn't exist. Uh oh,
and of course, yeah, here we go. You ready, here's
me saying God doesn't exist. Let's go so for example,
like with human beings, right, if there's three people, we
would say that there's three human beings.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but the mode of existence of God is not
the same as the mode of existence of creatures. So
human beings are discreete distinct, separate people. The Father of
the Son and Holy Spirit are not separate. Hence we
believe in paraphoresis that they endwell one another.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there we go. That was me saying God
doesn't exist. According to David, you got exposed. You said
God doesn't exist. As these people are just ridiculous every day.
I'm struggling twenty dollars day, and we're gonna paper called
conditional ultimacy, open disjunction. Either intelligibility tracks ultimate reality, in
which case it's non reflexive and there's a relational multibstat
at first principle, or the whole intelligible domain doesn't track
to ultimate reality. Interesting line of argumentation. I think that
that would point to the triad for sure, and that
would point to ultimate reality being personal and not impersonal.
Aaron Rennick ten dollars. Is there a way that I
can call you in a private chat about Orthodoxy? I'm
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Don't oh we did that last time? Excuse me? Do
you want to read Supertaar? Right here?
Speaker 1: Brandy Bubba Brandy in christ Trump recently signaled that the
National Treasure is potentially hidden at the Learning Center in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: So now we know what National Treasure three is about.
Trump's already dropped the Q hints right. Trump is like
giving us a new Q drop because Nick Cage is
going to have to go in and steal the speaking
speaking spells in the Retard Center in DC. Is that
what you're saying here? I mean, what is the learning
center in Minneapolis? Is that where all the Muslims are?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Is it like a do you know what a speaking
spell is?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's where they were all the daycares were.
Speaker 2: Right, So the National Treasure is actually at the Somali Daycares.
Got it? You want to read the next one.
Speaker 1: AI World Champion Royal Order or the sixth seventh Degree
six seven? Is that saying?
Speaker 2: Yep, he's making a six to seven joke. He got us,
got me.
Speaker 1: Next?
Speaker 4: That's it?
Speaker 1: Octavian thirty three. There's thirty three watch The Good Shepherd
with Matt Damon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen it many times, we've covered it in
the past. It deals with the basically an accurate presentation
of how the US intelligence apparatus was set up. So
you have the establishment of Skull and Bones at at
Yale and it's British intelligence that came and did that,
and the film accurately presents that. It also accurately presents
the initiation rights and rituals with you know, getting peed on.
So there we go. Fun stuff, right.
Speaker 1: Well, I was reading Cults of the Shadow, which we're
going to cover with Isaac Wisehap at the end of
this month, and there's a lot of pee talk in
there also.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell us what it's called to the
Shadow about.
Speaker 1: It is another one in the Kenneth Grant series. So
Kenneth Grant took over for Alsha Croley in the OTO
and made it the Typhoni and Oto and it is
about sex, magic and bodily fluids and pea drinking is
one of the things. So if you want to do magic,
get ready to drink pea.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm assuming that comes out of India, comes out
of the India.
Speaker 2: Are being racious.
Speaker 1: Heck yeah, And he talks so much about yoga Sanskrit.
All of the words in there are Sanskrit, like I
pretty much know Indian now reading that glossary.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to National Treasure too. So the sequel,
which is also entertaining a lot of fun. Some weird
twists and turns in this one that you don't really expect.
I didn't remember what happens exactly with Ed Harris as
the villain that he ends up not exactly being a villain,
And the symbology and significance of the Confederacy in the
South in this film is bizarre. It's unexpected. By the way,
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Speaker 6: Notishsh valuable drinking liquids.
Speaker 2: Do not pish here, that's the booger rustle. So now
we have reference to the Nights of the Golden Circle,
which was a real Masonic clan related group that was
interested in taking out Abraham Lincoln. And they thought if
they could take out Abraham Lincoln, or that they could continue,
you know, the mission of the Confederacy, et cetera. They
would be able to establish a Confederate government and be
able to secede from the Union. And of course John
Wilkes Booth was tied into this with the attempt on
Lincoln's life. But made me think about, well, that's interesting.
There's a connection between acting and intelligence all the way
back to I mean, I know it goes back to
the ancient world, but acting an intelligence in the case
of John Wilkes Booth is a pre eminent example. You
have an actor assassin who tries to take out honest
abe and you want to read the super each other.
Speaker 1: Someone remembered it was Lafont was the architect, and he.
Speaker 2: Was a free Mason. He was a Mason French.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because the the Revolution was also in French
and they also had a version of Columbia the Goddess
as their mascot too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well that's what I was talking about when I
referenced the Jacobins and the Grondans. It's the French Revolution
which has the Jacobins, and our founding fathers also paid
a lot of deference to the Jacobins and the Communists. Okay,
so the next reference here is again to go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh, when they found the treasure in part one, at
the very end, so he lights the fire and it
lights up the whole room. I don't know if you
noticed this, but it's kind of the story, the Masonic
story of history. As they go into the treasure. So
at the top of the stairs there's like two king
tuts flanking the doors, and like all kinds of Egyptian treasures,
and then they go down a little bit and then
it goes into like Greek and then more modern. So
it's following some kind of chronological timeline mentioned that.
Speaker 2: Already you weren't less it always flies like I explained stuff,
and she's thinking about what she's going to say, and
so she doesn't hear that. Yeah, I already mentioned that
it was rooms concentric rooms going into the treasure.
Speaker 1: But did you say it was like history, like chronicle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes from the ancient civilizations up to the
templars and in the Middle Ages, et cetera, and then
it progresses to the treasure. But in this one we
have this reference to the Civil War. It's not the
Revolutionary War, and Benjamin Gates wants to clear his family's
name and Riley, we find out, has written a conspiracy
book which was a popular hit called The Templar Treasure.
Now this is fascinating because right around this time was
when all of these Templar Dan Brown books were really popular.
So all this Templar crat was everywhere. I remember buying
Templar books back in the in the two thousands, and
a lot of it's just nonsense, right, It's esoteric gibberish,
a bunch of nonsense. But the film was kind of
ahead of the curve when it comes to the popularity
of all that, because it kind of peaked around twenty
eleven or twelve and then it turned into twenty twelve nonsense. Right,
So the popular conspiracy candy that was out there prior to,
you know, the twenty twelve stuff was all the Templar stuff,
and that was largely due to Dan Brown. So I
think probably this film was capitalizing a little bit on
the Dan Brown ferver again, all of which was a
bunch of gibberish nonsense.
Speaker 1: Well, this movie is interesting because it starts out with
spycraft again, where he's doing the cipher of where the
treasure is, and this is all linked to the assassination
of Lincoln.
Speaker 2: It is, and then it progresses to the National Monument eventually.
And what's fascinating is that some of the I mean,
obviously there's not like a giant secret underground as to
inca tomb or whatever, but some of the stuff is real,
Like there are these kind of like hidden things up
in the Rushmore. If you've never been to Rushmore, it
is something to see at least once in your life.
It's not something that I would go back to, but
it was interesting to see once. And there's a lot
of this weird, sort of esoteric symbolic stuff, probably our
hidden doors up there. I don't know. But Rui says,
for ten dollars, it's always awesome to see you guys together.
Thank you so much. We have a lot of fun
doing our podcast. Of course, appreciate that. And then let's
see Gorilla says, or my computer is freezing here, what
are you looking up?
Speaker 1: I saw this weird thing about John Wilkes, Ruth's brother,
and how they had like weird let me look it up.
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was a really good allegory for civilization in the fall.
And we're gonna analyze Gone Girl with Ben Affleck and
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he says, you.
Speaker 1: Want to read that one there, Edo Tolkien. What's the
most essential for Nick Cage impressions?
Speaker 2: The best and most essential is the clip where he
talks about his what does he call it voodoo style
of acting? And it's the Ghostwriter interview and he says
that neo shamanic. That's it, where he talks about his
style of acting being neo shamanic. And he says he.
Speaker 1: Puts he.
Speaker 2: Sews things into his clothes because he thinks they're like
shamanic relics. This is it here, I think this is it.
Let's see.
Speaker 7: Strider in the Hull because I like the monsters. I
couldn't understand how something's so scary to look at it
could also be good. So it was right off the
bat it was a paradoxy well in an interesting way. Uh,
Ghostwriter is more real if you go for that sort
of thing. And they're a little a little more interesting.
Now my ghostwriter didn't eat panic rock music. He's ridiculous
to try to just relax, but I don't recommend it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see this character the butt, all right, Uh,
let me see it's this is a longer interview, So
let me try neo shamanic because I know he says that,
and he's like, I'm trying to create a new I'm
creating a new acting style. I call it neo shamanic.
Here it is?
Speaker 8: Is it that I've been told that all actors really
hail from the early medicine men and the and the
shamans in the villages pre Christianity, where they would put.
Speaker 7: On masks and and act out.
Speaker 2: And it sounds like he's got a little bit he's
recovering from a little of a cold here, so he's
not he's a little more nasally than usual. But about
the thing with Nick that he he has this sort
of thing that he does where he has this cadence
and he kind of has a rhythm to his words
and some of the words are very slow like that,
and then he has this other, this thing that you
know he does where he goes up like this and
then it comes down okay, and that that's that's when
he's having a normal kind of say.
Speaker 7: And really would They were probably pretty crazy, but they
would go in and find answers to questions. Today you're
called psychotic if you do that, but it's all semantics.
Speaker 2: So what I would. It's all semantics, right, So if
you're psychotic or you're a shaman, it's just semantics. There's
no difference. That it was a ridiculous line, but it's funny.
Speaker 7: Dude, is I put on Afro Caribbean paint, like a
white and black paint and black out my eyes so
I look like this sort of Afro Caribbean voodoo icon.
Speaker 2: Whoa dude? Uh based Nick Cage doing some black face.
Speaker 7: And then I would sow in bits of Egyptian artifacts
that were thousands of years old into my costume and
gather some onyx or turmaline or something that was meant
to have vibrations. And who knows if it works or doesn't,
but for me, it was an idea of like trying
to stimulate my mind or trick my mind into believing
I was this character from another dimension. And I would
walk on the and then wouldn't speak to anybody, wouldn't
say a word. So I projected this aura of horror,
which created fear of my fellow actors.
Speaker 2: Which this is a favorite interview of all time. This
is so great. He's like, I'm sewing a voody relics
into my clothes and I'm terrifying my fellow actors with
this aura. So anyway, uh, here you go. Here's a
question for you, Jami, or here.
Speaker 1: Read that, Jamie. What is your favorite Steve Winwood song?
Oh dire Wire double o seven? What is your favorite
Steve Winwood song? Bring Me High Love?
Speaker 2: That one exactly, And that's what.
Speaker 1: I put on bring me Hi Your Love.
Speaker 2: That's what I put on on your your Instagram picture
seven martyrs, says Yo Jay Berg. Say it with a
wiggle lap, yo zieber Ato Tolken. What is the most
essential for Nick Cage? Listen to this and after this
interview and you will get your Nick Cage correct, even
though he's a little bit got a little bit of
a cold. Here, this is the classic right here, that's
what all right, Let's get back to National Treasure two.
So here they have to decode the clues and they
have to go to Paris, France, because we're linking it
back to the French Revolution, as we said in seventeen
eighty nine, which was all a Jacob and Masonic affair ultimately,
and we learned that they have to also go to
the Queen's Buckingham Palace because there's two resolute desks. So
wait a minute, what's the connection between the Queen's Desk
and the French Revolution? Well, if you follow with the
logic of my theories on the British Empire and the
controlled dialectics of revolution, it makes perfect sense. Why is
it that the British Empire maintains its monarchy and the
rest of the monarchies fall to Masonic revolutions? Take a
look at this. So there's.
Speaker 1: So I think Ed Harris says he's actually related to
Albert Pike in this.
Speaker 2: Movie, right, that's absolutely right. He says he's related to
Albert Pike and that the they're gonna have to clear
each other's names because Ed Harris claims that it's Nick
Cage's family that's guilty for the attempt on the life
of John will of Lincoln by John Wilkes Booth. But
I just thought it was fascinating dialectic. So there's two deaths,
So there's twin pillars of masonry, right, severity and mercy
and severity yeaken and Boaz. The queen has this Masonic connection.
And for those that don't know, the Queen of England
actually is the head of World Freemasonry. I mean she
passed away, but she was the official head of World
Free Masonry. So there would be a perfect connection between
French revolutionary Masonry English Masonry, which has this supposed opposition
like there's this fake you know, Christian Masonry of the
what's the Blue Lodge an English Masonry versus the atheism
of Grand orient Masonry. I think that's probably controlled dialectic
because it all it's all revolutionary nonsense. But what did
you make of the reference to both sides of the
Confederacy and the they're both Masons on the Confederacy and
the Union side, And that's actually true. And Ed Harris
says that he's a send a relative of Albert Pike,
and then it turns out that he ends up being
this sacrificial hero. So the Freemason Confederates aren't actually a
bad aren't actually bad guys because they're they're descendants of
Albert Pike.
Speaker 1: Well, for all you knew people, if you don't already
have your you know, tenfold hat. Albert Pike wrote the
definitive book on freemasonry called Morals and Dogma, in which
he says, like over seventy times that masonry is Kabbala
And there's some choice quotes in there that if you
look at any Masonic conspiracy video that they are quoting
it every time, like Lucifer is the light Bearer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I said, his chapter on Christianity basically
says that, oh, actually it was the Gnostics and the
Neil Playtonists that were correct. That's real Christianity. The Trinity
isn't true, it's just what Origin taught. That's the real Christianity.
So that's the background in the film. They go to
Buckingham Palace. You know, there's a bunch of goofy scenes,
and it turns out that the film he is Bankers
Bankers and mash the parts phony. They're seeking the city
of Gold seeble Law. So this is a mythical you know,
Aztec inca thing where there's this hidden city of gold somewhere.
They go to the Library of Congress. The most ridiculous
part of this movie, which I think ends up being
kind of American as propaganda, is this idea that there's
the President's Book, which is this book that tells the
presidents all the secrets of America, and you only get
to see this if you're the president, and it gives
the impression that, oh, the president's really calling the shots
in America. It's not the bankers, it's not the Fortune
one hundred, it's the president because he knows all the
secrets of America and who assassinated Lincoln and who assassinated JFK.
All this nonsense. But I think all of us know
that the president's not calling the shots. I mean, the
president is subservient to BB. It's like they're not calling
the shots, they're not running shit. But the movie gives
impression that they actually are, and that you know, if
you can just get you know, the president on your side,
then uh, you know, then you can then you can
fix the problems with the bad apples in Washington.
Speaker 1: The way he treated the President was so like, yes,
it's like he was talking to a god.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan. Yeah, It's like it's like a
celebrity right. The President is just a big A list
celebrity that you know you got to schmooze up to.
And they have a shared love for architecture, which was retarded.
Speaker 1: Well, this kind of makes sense because if you go
in the Capitol Dome and you look up, it's the
apotheosis of Washington. And so they did have this idea
that you could become a god on earth. And then
there's that classic conspiracy picture two of George Washington sculpture
with his chest exposed and he's doing the as above
so below just like bafame, I would I put that
on my talk now that I'm thinking about it. But
since we're at the Library of Congress, the Secret Architecture
Book actually talks a lot about that and saying that
it houses two of the most impressive zodiacs in the world.
Columns at the Library with corn, cobs and tobacco represent
America's farming, and again that goes back to the corn
and the wheat is what the goddess is holding. And
Thomas Jefferson actually called DC the Cyrillian Capital because of
all of the zodiac symbols of the green goddess.
Speaker 2: Okay, and so here is that famous painting at the Capitol, right,
the apotheosis of Washington. So he's being treated, like Jamie said,
as if he's a deity. He's kind of the you know,
a celebrity of the time. And in the film Nick
Cage is treating the President in the exact same way.
It's pretty funny, but that's kind of another one of
these One of the bait and switch right of Americanism
and American society is that oh, anyone can become the president. Right.
It's a fair meritocracy where anybody can pull themselves up
other boostraps, and you can become the president, you can
become Sam Walton, you can become anybody, you can become
a celebrity. Just buy into the American dream and you know,
work hard and you'll rise. The cream rises to the
top with a little bit of you know, assholes and elbows,
and you'll get to the top. But it's all of
course ridiculous and nonsensical. I mean, there's a sense in
which some of that's true in previous decades, but I
think everybody's figured out that, like now with the you know,
is infinity other people here, that that's not going to
be possible.
Speaker 1: Also at the Library of Congress there is a court
of the sea god Neptune. Now we're back to Atlantis
surrounded by Neptune's nereids, and then you have the nerods
and dolphins of Atlantis, tritons and Nym's. He's talking about
thirty three faces of race. I don't know what that means.
But then you also have floor to zealing zodiacs of
Heaven and Earth at the Library of Congress. Did you
notice that in any of these scenes. I don't think
they like zoomed in on any of that.
Speaker 2: I think there was a couple of sequences where they
kind of showed Yeah, they kind of showed the dome
in the in the library here, but they don't spend
a whole lot of time on It's not emphasized because
the focus of this one, oddly enough, is this ancient
you know, Aztec inca olmech society or civilization that previously
lived here. So we're supposed to we got this kind
of history channel, you know, chariots of the gods, idea
that oh, actually there was this you know, supremely advanced,
awesome society that lived here before, which created seebe law
this you know, highly advanced city of Gold. It was
a kind of an Atlantis. Oh but it all destroyed,
was destroyed. There was a cataclysm. We don't know what happened.
But America will be the new Atlantis. Like this Seebolaw
was this you know, ancient, you know, mystical city. And
if we could just figure out the President's mystical gnostic
the President's gnostic mysteries, if we could decode all of that, right,
we would we would know the secrets of America, and
America could become the new Atlantis. I mean, I think
that's the theme of this one, is America as the
new Atlantis. Even though it's not explicit, but I kind
of feel like in National Treasure three, because they have
to keep upping the ante, right, Nick Cage has to
like steal something more ridiculous than previously. So like, you know,
what's he going to break into the next one Pentagon
NSA Area fifty one, what's he going to steal? I
don't know, like the supercomputers, the alien body and are
if it does something really hopefully it doesn't get that retarded.
Speaker 1: So here again in the Secret Architecture of DC book,
he's talking about how DC was a new undertaking. Its
construction marked one of those rare events in history when
a city was planned and built for a specific purpose.
And then the Great Mystery of It takes the Egyptian
Pyramid as an ideal triangle and links it with the
zodiac sign Virgo. But then he says, some scholars have
noted the Great Seal also resembles the truncated pyramids of
meso America on which the temple would be built. Yes, right,
And then he says, the idea is that a truncated
pyramid is completed by a spiritual being, symbolized by the
Eye of Providence, the all seeing Eye of God. Its
roots in literature may be traced back to the eye horse.
Speaker 3: I'm going to steal the epstream files. I'm going to
steal the Book of Mormon. I'm going to steal the
Golden plag I'm going to steal the Book of.
Speaker 2: What are some other like American objects that he I mean,
he has to opt the antea. So what's the next
object going to be? What's an American object that you
that you could steal? I can't even think of what
else he could steal.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know specifically, but I feel like it's
going to be about aliens because that's the only place,
that's all.
Speaker 2: They ever go. That's the last you know, refuge of
Hollywood gnostic mysteries is to just go full Spielberg and
make it about aliens again. I mean they did with
the Indiana Jones and ends up being freaking aliens. That
was so stupid. Please don't turn this into a freaking
Nick Cage alien movie. That's that's so lame. Backseat Sauceman,
one dollar back seat Sauceman since ten dollars. Thank you
so much. Appreciate that. Welcome to the new members ig Sorrow.
What's up?
Speaker 1: This is kind of weird. So we were talking about the
House of the Temple of the thirty third, right, Albert Pikes.
It says the House of the Temple roof reflects the
Great Seal. Its design is the adapting the tomb of
the King Mauzulus. Who where we get the word mausoleum from. Yeah,
so it's a giant tomb. What's a giant tumb the
Temple of thirty third?
Speaker 2: Oh? Interesting, Well, when they get into the ole mec
inca Aztec tomb or whatever it is here, you know,
there's there's a funny line where they come to the
altar of human sacrifice and Riley or somebody says, oh,
that's nice, that's where they sacrifice the humans, and Nick
Cage is like, no, that's what they really did. So
basically America is a giant consecrated human sacrifice ground. That's
why it's haunted. That's the theme of the movie, although
it's also supposedly somehow like, you know, the New Atlantis. So,
in other words, to have the New Atlantis, to have
the new City of the Gods, we've got to what
I guess, have a giant human sacrifice going on. I
guess that's what abration is. I don't know exactly what
what we're supposed to make of it. They don't actually
say like, oh, yeah, this was a degenerate, disgusting, you know,
Apocalypto style culture. It was, you know, what they had
to do at the time. It was necessary, you know,
each to their own banana out of about fifty dollars.
Semi related, did you ever cover Proofs of Conspiracy by
John Robinson? I'm familiar with it, although my publisher kind
of put out a more updated actual history of the
Illuminati called Perfectibilists by Terry Mulanson. The reason that Washington
warned the Illumini infiltration free Masons. Now, I understand that
I'm not saying that Washington was pro Jacobin or Illuminist.
He was against it. And supposedly Washington actually wasn't that
serious about freemasonry. He like went through the first three
you know, uh, he went through the Blue Lodge levels,
the first three levels, but then supposedly wasn't that interested
in it. But I think that retroactively the Masons co
opted and made George Washington like this super Mason, which
he actually wasn't. But yeah, I'm from I have John
Robinson's book. It provides pretty good origins of masonry, as
well as from an insider a perspective at the time. Yes, exactly.
One shot says, your impersonation of Nick Cage was dead on.
Thank you. I think a lot of people think that's
probably one of my best impressions. But what was on
your mind?
Speaker 1: I just keep reading these notes and they're really interesting.
So in chapter nine of this book he talks about
the moon landing and buzz Aldrin and Mason. So now
we're going into space, right, which maybe National Treasure three
will be going into space.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it is. It's gonna They're gonna They're
gonna do like Atlantis and Nick Cage is gonna steal
the freaking golden plates of Joseph Smith and it'll be
some space garbage story and they'll they'll have to I'm
gonna have to steal space, right, He'll go to steal
the moon or some crazy shit like that, and it'll
I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, I want to see him break in a nora Ad.
Speaker 2: That would be yeah, I mean I would. I would say,
like if he breaks in you know, Chyenne Mountain or
Norad Complex and like that, that sounds fun, right, And
just please don't make it about aliens, like I don't
know what else what else could he steal? I don't know.
Speaker 1: But this is the goal of the manifest Destiny ideas
of Lightenment. So now that they've conquered the New World,
now that they have that, they're going to go into space, right,
and the moon is the first step in that. Even
if we did or not, it's still in the imagination.
And in the book it says alongside the National flag,
Aldron also carried a Masonic banner embroidered especially for the mission,
and I have a picture on my computer of all
of them kind of like praying to this tiny little
pyramid before the mission.
Speaker 2: You remember that, No, I do know about that because
the old school conspiracy stuff here. I remember text Mars
did a documentary like twenty twenty five years ago on
the Masonic elements of the Moon missions and how it
was all dedicated to all this Masonic gibberish, and you know,
Buzz Alder and all these guys were like super dedicated Masons,
and which again makes me feel like, Okay, well, I
don't trust these people, so why am I supposed to
believe everything that they say? But anyway, I think that
kind of rounds out the national treasure. We talked about
the presidential propaganda. We talked about the Queen aided the South,
and that's of course, you know, because the South provided
a lot of cotton to the UK and then they
want to lose that that crop. The British elites also
thought that the South had a more of an aristocratic
sense about them, and so they favored the Southern attitude
and culture at that time, and so the British support
of the South some people argue that the British support
of the South because they wanted to foment revolution to
kind of get America back under sway. I'm not sure
who knows. I wouldn't be surprised. But the other thing
that was odd was that that Ed Harris as this
sort of you know, Confederate villain, ends up sacrificing himself
to save you know, Nick Cage and Riley and John
Voight and Diane Krueger. So I didn't expect that because
most films, you know, especially Hollywood stuff, like the Southern
person is the villain, right, you're a blue eyed, blonde person,
you're a villain. If you're a Southerner, you're the villain, right.
And all you do is, like, you know, enslave people
and whip people. That's all Southerners ever did was just
a slave and whip. That's we had nothing. We had
nothing else going on, no time to do anything except
to swip people and enslaved people. That right. So, but
of course all that's nonsense. But I suspect the only
reason that Ed Harris ended up not being of total
villain and redeems himself is because he's the descendant of
Albert Pike. So that's like the only good. You know,
Southerners are like these radical sort of you know, Scottish
Rite Masons. What do you think.
Speaker 1: I was reading these notes because they were so interesting.
So as we're like getting towards the end, I just
wanted to say. In the book, it says from the
very beginning, and this isn't a conspiracy book, this isn't
a crackpot self published like this was in the movie, right,
So from the very beginning, the city was intended to
celebrate the mystery of Virgo, the Egyptian Isis, the Grecien series,
and the Virgin Mary who became Columbia. And it says,
from an arcane standpoint, the design of the Federal City
was centered upon the magic of a specific sunset, namely
the summer solstice on June twenty first, and all of
these a lot of these secrets that he's getting, he says,
come from a painting a which was called The Washington
Family by Edward Savage, where they are looking over a
map of DC. So in the very ends of the book,
he's asking if there's kind of like a conspiracy against
Lamfont because the measurements are not exact to his maps.
They changed it and kind of made it not good.
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Speaker 1: I just did a show for my members on the
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, let's come over here and take a look.
So here's Jamie's channel, and if you come over to
the videos and latest, this is her. She just read
this nineteen sixteen project book. She's also done a new
talk on screw tape letters, which is cool. I read
that a few years ago myself enjoyed it quite a
bit as funny because Jamie and Ben Shapiro just happened
to cover screwtape letters that was not planned, by the way,
And then you've got some other talk here going on.
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