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Speaker 2: Now PW Torch and Spreaker bring you the Wade Keller
Speaker 2: Pro Wrestling Podcast. It's time for this week's Interview Classic,
Speaker 2: where Wade Keller interviews one of Pro Wrestling's newsmakers.
Speaker 3: Five years ago.
Speaker 1: This week on the Wade Keller Progressing Podcast, we brought
Speaker 1: you a triple header of three distinct segments on our
Speaker 1: Interview Friday episode, beginning with Triple H's media press conference
Speaker 1: after the NXT debut on USA Network. Then we jump
Speaker 1: back a couple months to July twenty six, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: at the Trego Stays Progressing Hall of Fame weekend in Waterloo,
Speaker 1: Iowa at the five Sullivan Brothers Convention Center, where Bruce
Speaker 1: Mitchell and I interviewed Nick dinsmore known as Eugene in person.
Speaker 1: He was a trainer of John Cena, brock Lesner, Batista
Speaker 1: and The Rock and told some great stories about that
Speaker 1: and more. And then after that a panel discussion from
Speaker 1: the next day including Beth Phoenix, Bob rup Baron, Von
Speaker 1: Rashki Thuttererbow Patterson, and Gerald Briscoe. I summarize it more
Speaker 1: coming up here in the original introduction to this episode,
Speaker 1: which dropped originally on September twentieth, twenty nineteen, and it
Speaker 1: is Today's Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Podcast Interview Classic for Friday,
Speaker 1: September twentieth, twenty twenty four on Today's wad Keller Pro
Speaker 1: Wrestling Podcast Interview Friday. It's a special triple header with
Speaker 1: three different distinct segments. First, we go to the Triple
Speaker 1: H Media conference Call, where for about twenty five minutes,
Speaker 1: he answered media questions after NXT's debut on USA Network
Speaker 1: this past Wednesday night. He talks about the thought process
Speaker 1: that went into planning what would be featured as a
Speaker 1: first impression for new viewers on USA Network, Vincent Man's involvement,
Speaker 1: and if he had heard any reaction from him yet,
Speaker 1: whether the full sale venue is sufficient in the long
Speaker 1: run for a national cable show, setting the involvement of
Speaker 1: the cruiser Weights, the show was structured differently because of
Speaker 1: the split between USA and WWE Network, Whether NXT is
Speaker 1: still considered a developmental territory now that it's on national
Speaker 1: cable and earning tens of millions of dollars a year
Speaker 1: for the company, and utilizing Cruiserweights on the show, along
Speaker 1: with some other topics, so that comes first. Thanks to
Speaker 1: Kelly Wells of pw torch dot com. He covers NXTTV
Speaker 1: for pw torch dot Com. Also is the host of
Speaker 1: the PWT Talks NXT edition of the PW Torch Daily cast.
Speaker 1: He asked a question on this call and also did
Speaker 1: record it for all of us. Second Up is an
Speaker 1: ever before heard interview from a couple months ago, late
Speaker 1: July actually with Nick Dinsmore, who wrestled in WWE. As
Speaker 1: Eugene Bruce Mitchell and I conducted this interview. This took
Speaker 1: place right before the interview we featured earlier with Sergeant Slaughter,
Speaker 1: the mega awesome interview with Sergeant Slaughter that I'm super
Speaker 1: proud of and has gotten such good feedback, that was
Speaker 1: conducted right after this. In fact, as you listen to
Speaker 1: Nick Dinsmore talk, you'll hear Sergeant Slaughter enter the room
Speaker 1: and get around of applause and sit down and interject
Speaker 1: himself a little bit during this. So this is the
Speaker 1: never before heard warm up ACKed in a sense, and
Speaker 1: it's worth listening to. Nick Dinsmore talks about training at
Speaker 1: the very beginning of their careers. Are very earlier in
Speaker 1: their careers, the rock Batista, brock Lesner, and John Cena,
Speaker 1: what a class of future megastars, and he shares some
Speaker 1: anecdotes about what they were like early on.
Speaker 3: Was brock Lezra a nice guy?
Speaker 4: Was he Adiva?
Speaker 1: Did he see greatness in John Cena early on what
Speaker 1: was He Like the Rock?
Speaker 3: He has a funny line.
Speaker 1: About how he felt when he would just gaze toward
Speaker 1: Dwayne Johnson and look at him, and also Batista. So
Speaker 1: he also talks about whether those four stood out above
Speaker 1: any above everybody else, and in what separates somebody with
Speaker 1: that eventual success from those who maybe are driven but
Speaker 1: don't get successful, or maybe are less driven, par equally
Speaker 1: talented and don't end up as successful. So he kind
Speaker 1: of gets into the details on that. He also talks
Speaker 1: about the Eugene character and some of the controversy with
Speaker 1: it and maybe some awkwardness doing media interviews at the beginning.
Speaker 1: In character, he also talks about a rib used to
Speaker 1: play on Matt Stryker repeatedly and more so again another
Speaker 1: twenty some minutes with Nick, Eugene Dinsmore, Bruce Mitchell, and
Speaker 1: I conducting the interview in front of a live audience
Speaker 1: at the five Sullivan Brothers Convention Center at the annual
Speaker 1: George Fragol's Lutha's Progressing Hall of Fame. I hope if
Speaker 1: you're in driving distance or flying distance with the orth
Speaker 1: flying out for this event, that she'll be there next year.
Speaker 1: It's a really fun time. The Impact Pro Wrestling Independent
Speaker 1: Group runs a star studded event on Friday with a
Speaker 1: raucous crowd of regular fans and people in town for
Speaker 1: the convention. And then there's a Hall of Fame ceremony
Speaker 1: that involves MMA and amateur along with professional inductees at
Speaker 1: the five Cultland Brothers Convention Center. There's panel disguys and
Speaker 1: access to the Dan Gable Wrestling Museum, the National Wrestling
Speaker 1: Museum in Waterloo, Iowa, which features extensive amateur a setup
Speaker 1: and also some cool stuff from the pro wrestling realm. Actually,
Speaker 1: Bruce Mitchell, Jason Powell and I were among those who
Speaker 1: got to wander around in the storage basement and see
Speaker 1: all the pro wrestling memorabilia that wasn't on display on
Speaker 1: the top floor. But they'll be apparently rotating and expanding
Speaker 1: the pro wrestling section for next year's convention. So what
Speaker 1: we'll tell you more about that, but you can always
Speaker 1: look up National Wrestling Hall of Fame or George Trago's
Speaker 1: Luthe's Progressing Hall of Fame on Google and find the
Speaker 1: home site and keep.
Speaker 3: Up on details.
Speaker 1: Then we wrap up with another section around twenty Minutes,
Speaker 1: which features Beth Phoenix, who is the color commentator on
Speaker 1: NXT on USA Network, And this was part of a
Speaker 1: panel discussion that included Bob rup Baron von Rashke, Thunderbil Patterson,
Speaker 1: in Gerald Brisco.
Speaker 3: Beth got most of the.
Speaker 1: Questions and did most of the talking, and I caught
Speaker 1: most of that with my recorder, and she talks about
Speaker 1: a variety of really cool topics, including her thoughts on
Speaker 1: the transition from the Diva's era to what it is
Speaker 1: now and what that means to her and her frank
Speaker 1: blunt thoughts about the Divas era that she was part of.
Speaker 1: Also who she thinks are top emerging stars today, male
Speaker 1: and female outside of WWE. I think people will be
Speaker 1: interested and their ears a per cup when they heard
Speaker 1: the name she picked out as future stars, and in
Speaker 1: particular her hope that when kids watch pro wrestling, they
Speaker 1: see a slice of themselves in at least one or
Speaker 1: two of the characters on television, no matter what their background, orientation,
Speaker 1: anything having to do with what they identify as. She
Speaker 1: wants pro wrestling rosters to be diversified enough to be
Speaker 1: represented and at the very end, Baron von Rashki chimes
Speaker 1: in with a joke about his imaginary sister, Big Bertha.
Speaker 3: Who he used to dress bas.
Speaker 1: In the AWA. So in case you're wondering who that
Speaker 1: was and what that's all about, that is that's what
Speaker 1: comes in at the end. Actually, at the beginning, Jerald
Speaker 1: Brisco talks about teaming with his brother and feuding with
Speaker 1: a Funks and Jay young Blood and Rick Steamboat and
Speaker 1: some other topics about the tag teams that helped define.
Speaker 3: His career as a tag team wrestler.
Speaker 1: So real diverse mix. I've kind of been sitting on
Speaker 1: these two sections with with Beth Phoenix and Gerald and
Speaker 1: also Gene for a couple months just because there's been
Speaker 1: so many other shows on Interview Friday that I've wanted
Speaker 1: to put up, or we've just had a ton of
Speaker 1: mail bag mailbank questions to get to, or we've had
Speaker 1: pay per views in major events to preview, and we
Speaker 1: kind of mix it up on Fridays with those formats,
Speaker 1: so we kind of get to exhale this week a
Speaker 1: little bit with a lighter weekend, as far as that
Speaker 1: goes without a Summer Slam or a Class of Champions
Speaker 1: or an aw event or a super busy mail bag
Speaker 1: On the flagship Thursday edition. Yesterday, Johnny Fairplay joined me
Speaker 1: and we covered some current events and also answered mail
Speaker 1: bay questions on a variety of topics. So if you
Speaker 1: miss that, check that out. The daily schedule of this
Speaker 1: Blue Brand, the Weight, Color Prossing Podcast might change a
Speaker 1: little bit as we get into October. So just if
Speaker 1: you're in a pattern of listening to us and hit
Speaker 1: refresh on certain days, just be aware you might want
Speaker 1: to check more often and there might be a day
Speaker 1: you expect to show that it doesn't appear as we
Speaker 1: kind of adjust to the new schedule because it used
Speaker 1: to be Monday and Tuesdays we're really busy, and sometimes
Speaker 1: Sundays and then it would lighten up. Now we've got
Speaker 1: the Monday, Wednesday Friday pattern coming up, and so I'm
Speaker 1: still kind of working out how we're going to fit
Speaker 1: everything in now that we're adding the Wednesday post show
Speaker 1: and moving the Tuesday Postmacdown show of course to Fridays.
Speaker 1: So with that primer that setup out of the way,
Speaker 1: let's begin with Triple H talking with the wrestling media
Speaker 1: immediately following the NXT debut on USA Network this past Wednesday,
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Speaker 4: Thank you Paul for being here.
Speaker 5: You know, first first night of this first kickoff, it's
Speaker 5: I just stood in front of talent and said hard
Speaker 5: to follow up what they just accomplished without saying anything
Speaker 5: that doesn't really sound right other than to say how
Speaker 5: proud I am of all of this. It's taken a
Speaker 5: long time to get here, but this was the star
Speaker 5: starting line, not the finish line, and we went out
Speaker 5: there tonight on the number one network on cable television USA.
Speaker 5: Amazing partners for us for years and put on what
Speaker 5: I feel was an epic hour of programming on USA
Speaker 5: number one trend US number one in the world the
Speaker 5: entire time, number four in the world the entire time.
Speaker 5: Tough to say much more than that. I thought it
Speaker 5: was a hell of a night, and I thought it
Speaker 5: was an epic performance on everybody's part. I'm proud of
Speaker 5: his team, from behind the scenes to in front of it.
Speaker 5: I want to thank our partners here at Full Sale
Speaker 5: University because without them this doesn't happen. You know, they're
Speaker 5: the best partners we have and everything that they have
Speaker 5: here is top shelf and could be better partners for us. Great,
Speaker 5: great night. The beautiful part is we get to do
Speaker 5: it again next Wednesday and the Wednesday after that and
Speaker 5: going forward. So I'm I'm excited, and I'll open it
Speaker 5: up too.
Speaker 4: Questions from all of you, Hi, guys are going to
Speaker 4: start in the room.
Speaker 6: So guys, so let's go for Scott Fishman t the Insider,
Speaker 6: So talk about what goes into You know, you can
Speaker 6: only make.
Speaker 1: One first impression, so so many tonight are getting their
Speaker 1: first opportunity to see the NXT brand.
Speaker 7: We went into the thought process of deciding what matches
Speaker 7: you're going to do, what you were.
Speaker 8: Going to feature on tonight's show.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of thought process, you know, you you
Speaker 5: mil through it a million different options and ways and
Speaker 5: and and opportunities. What's the first thing you want them
Speaker 5: to see. What's the most exciting thing they can see
Speaker 5: coming out to shoot? How do you balance a show
Speaker 5: an hour show of action as much as possible, but
Speaker 5: yet still knowing this is the first shot at this
Speaker 5: big audience. How do you get them to give you
Speaker 5: the character development and that sort of storyline movement, but
Speaker 5: yet bigger than that is the characters and the and
Speaker 5: the personalities of these performers. That's really what you need
Speaker 5: to get across in these first episodes. But by also
Speaker 5: making this as action packed as possible. So it's a
Speaker 5: ton of going back and forth and what do we
Speaker 5: want to get to And then once you make a
Speaker 5: commitment to it, now you know what's within the show,
Speaker 5: and now you get now you have to figure out
Speaker 5: how to format it all. The biggest thing I was
Speaker 5: concerned with tonight for me was the pacing of it.
Speaker 5: Given that I know Bell to Bell, we can do
Speaker 5: what we do and I feel like we do that
Speaker 5: as well or better than anybody on the planet, but
Speaker 5: how do you paste that out now? Differently with commercials
Speaker 5: and those commercial timings, those are things that we have
Speaker 5: don't have control over in a lot of ways that
Speaker 5: you know, the length of times of commercials and how
Speaker 5: many commercials you need to have in a show. So
Speaker 5: working all that together, I felt like we did a
Speaker 5: really good job at the pacing and making things feel right,
Speaker 5: and it didn't feel like it lagged at any points
Speaker 5: or you know, got bogged down. So I was really
Speaker 5: happy with that. That will be the consistent EBB and
Speaker 5: flowed For me, I'm confident in the talent. We'll do
Speaker 5: what the talent do here, and I'm confident in the
Speaker 5: team here from a tech standpoint of how we do it.
Speaker 5: So for me, it's it's more the forethought of the
Speaker 5: pacing and how you run this than it is anything else.
Speaker 8: Thank you, feel like the next couple of weeks more
Speaker 8: like a trial run because it's sort of got a
Speaker 8: one hour show called by a one hour show as
Speaker 8: opposed to a full flowing two hours that give you
Speaker 8: a couple of different opportunities in terms of formatic.
Speaker 4: It does.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a little bit more freedom with our
Speaker 5: network to not have to do some of the commercial
Speaker 5: things and everything else and hit all of those exactly right,
Speaker 5: but we still have to, like you know, there's there's
Speaker 5: no leeway at at the at the nine o'clock hour,
Speaker 5: we had to hit that that out and that that's
Speaker 5: that is the tricky part. Look, that's the tricky part
Speaker 5: for Rockster, the tricky part for SmackDown's a tricky part
Speaker 5: for anybody that's doing live television in that manner where
Speaker 5: at a particular time you are off the air, whether
Speaker 5: you're ready for it or not ready for it, and
Speaker 5: you can't go off earlier. You're going off when you're
Speaker 5: going off, So you know that that's that's.
Speaker 4: The tricky part. The beautiful thing about.
Speaker 5: This team here is a lot of experience. A lot
Speaker 5: of people know they're doing people in years of it
Speaker 5: and uh, and we can roll with these punches and
Speaker 5: get them done. It's not our first gig, it's not
Speaker 5: our first day on the job, so we had a
Speaker 5: lot of experience with it. Doesn't mean mistakes won't happen,
Speaker 5: but but we we have them handled and tonight as
Speaker 5: things went through, you know, we were able to go
Speaker 5: where we needed to go, and I thought we had
Speaker 5: an epic first shot. It's it is a little nice,
Speaker 5: though I think that the first couple of weeks are
Speaker 5: are also you know, I'm happy that if you're if
Speaker 5: you're watching USA and you're new to the product, like
Speaker 5: the fans that have been with us since the beginning,
Speaker 5: they know, the ones that don't, this is new to them.
Speaker 5: So giving them that that first taste and giving that
Speaker 5: first taste in the little dose and letting them have
Speaker 5: it for a couple of weeks. I sound like I'm
Speaker 5: making breaking bad or something, but but but you give
Speaker 5: them that little taste of it and then leave them
Speaker 5: wanting more. And we'll give that to them over these
Speaker 5: coming weeks now as they get into these characters more.
Speaker 5: When we hit that first two weeks, that first two
Speaker 5: hour stride on ten two, we're gonna knock this thing
Speaker 5: out of the park and we're gonna We're going to
Speaker 5: make sure that people are engaged, because by the first
Speaker 5: two weeks you're done, they're wanting more of it, and
Speaker 5: that that's the goal of this. It's it's kind of
Speaker 5: a blessing in disguise, a little bit for me.
Speaker 8: I like it.
Speaker 9: Okay, the format two matches before the live and then
Speaker 9: also Shaun Lula will use on the live show. So
Speaker 9: is that something going forward He's going to do two
Speaker 9: matches for it goes the TV and sometimes maybe use
Speaker 9: other tight wrestlers and the superstars or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, although it's you know, I mean, look, I don't
Speaker 5: necessarily think when NXT is going to change.
Speaker 4: And Sean Muluta.
Speaker 5: Has been a fairly regular performer for us here. You know,
Speaker 5: he works with Evolve and he's I like Sean a lot,
Speaker 5: and uh, you know, we used him in the Cruiserweight Classic,
Speaker 5: and you know, he's grown so much as a performer,
Speaker 5: and I really I'm happy that he gets the opportunity
Speaker 5: to come here and even in the moments that he
Speaker 5: had tonight, just just having that opportunity, that's that's a
Speaker 5: rep and that's an opportunity to put himself in front
Speaker 5: of the world. Then these to me are important things
Speaker 5: and I think you're going to see a lot of that.
Speaker 5: There's a massive amount of opportunity here for people within
Speaker 5: our system, for people that are trying to get in
Speaker 5: within within that system, for the talent that are working
Speaker 5: with groups that work with us, like a ball and
Speaker 5: things like that to be able to connect them into
Speaker 5: what we do. I want to keep this fresh. I
Speaker 5: want to keep it moving. You know, you saw Imperium
Speaker 5: here tonight from the UK. You saw Cruiserweight matches with
Speaker 5: Leo Rush coming back and and you know, a slightly
Speaker 5: different take with the Cruiserweight, So you know, I think
Speaker 5: all those things are ways to keep this constantly fresh
Speaker 5: and evolving, constantly moving forward and giving fans something different
Speaker 5: in a lot of ways at all times. As far
Speaker 5: as the dark matches earlier in the in the night,
Speaker 5: I think having a few matches prior to us get
Speaker 5: going allows us to settle into a groove that allows
Speaker 5: us to make sure everything is working right. And those
Speaker 5: will also be great content for for whatever we decide
Speaker 5: to use them for, whether that's a you know, part
Speaker 5: of a show, part of a network show, part of
Speaker 5: something in a tape format. I'm not We're not we're
Speaker 5: figuring that part out right now. I'm concerned about two
Speaker 5: hours of live every single week, but that is definitely
Speaker 5: something that will.
Speaker 4: Be a part of this going.
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Speaker 11: Okay, we'll go to the phones.
Speaker 4: One question for Al.
Speaker 12: Thank you. We'll hear from Mike Johnson with PW insider
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Speaker 13: Please go ahead, Hey, Paul, how am I doing?
Speaker 4: I'm great?
Speaker 12: Thank you?
Speaker 3: You're pretty happy.
Speaker 11: I'm good.
Speaker 13: I'm guessing you're pretty happy right now.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm very happy. You know.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's very rare for me at.
Speaker 4: NXT when we do something big or.
Speaker 5: Live that I don't walk away happy from it. You know,
Speaker 5: is this a work in progress? Are there things that
Speaker 5: I want to do better? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I want to be my own worst critic and I
Speaker 5: want to analyze this and I want to make it
Speaker 5: better every single time.
Speaker 14: But I'm really happy.
Speaker 13: So my question is the the show is format. It's
Speaker 13: pretty much be all. No promos really on the show
Speaker 13: other than the videos, very little on the vignettes.
Speaker 4: Talk a little bit.
Speaker 13: About the decision to put action first and let the
Speaker 13: personality stand out in the ring foremost, as opposed to
Speaker 13: giving someone like Cameron Grimes a chance to do a promo.
Speaker 5: To establish who we is.
Speaker 13: Talk a little bit about the decision to not have promos,
Speaker 13: and a lot of mic work on the show tonight.
Speaker 5: So I think we'll approach things differently at all times.
Speaker 5: But I do think we did spend If you go
Speaker 5: back and you broke this apart into that first USA
Speaker 5: hour and you broke that apart, there's a lot of
Speaker 5: character development that actually happened within those segments. It has
Speaker 5: to be quick and it's got to be hits. You
Speaker 5: don't have, you know, you don't have a whole segment
Speaker 5: to have somebody go out there and cut a promo
Speaker 5: and build a character in that manner, you know, for me,
Speaker 5: Cameron Grimes, yeah, I could have had him go out
Speaker 5: there and talk. I think I built more intrigue in
Speaker 5: him tonight with what we did, and now I am
Speaker 5: interested to hear more about him.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I think though when we get into the two hours,
Speaker 5: there's going to be those opportunities to build storylines.
Speaker 4: You have to do that stuff.
Speaker 5: You have to give me information, not just in the
Speaker 5: ring and not just physical, but how do you get
Speaker 5: to those matches? How do you build those characters and
Speaker 5: those character arcs and those storyline arcs to get to
Speaker 5: where the matches themselves mean the most they can mean.
Speaker 5: You have to do that stuff, but the way that
Speaker 5: you do it you constantly just have to me, my
Speaker 5: opinion is you constantly have to be giving me fresh,
Speaker 5: new something information, something I got to learn, something new.
Speaker 5: I feel like that people short attention span theater is
Speaker 5: if it's the same thing they've seen, if you're giving
Speaker 5: me a new piece of information, if you're giving it
Speaker 5: to me in a different way, if it's a new look,
Speaker 5: if it's something more, I'm intrigued by that and I
Speaker 5: want to stay and watch it. So those are things
Speaker 5: we'll work on as we move forward. Tonight was clearly
Speaker 5: a particular type of show for a particular reason. Going forward,
Speaker 5: they'll all be particular types of shows for particular reasons.
Speaker 5: They'll just be different.
Speaker 13: All right, Well, thanks for the time, Thank you, till
Speaker 13: you're next.
Speaker 12: From Jason Powell with Pro Wrestling dot Net, please go ahead.
Speaker 15: Yeah, hey, Paul, Hey, how different would the second hour
Speaker 15: have looked and been booked had it actually aired on
Speaker 15: USA Network?
Speaker 14: And if you had competition running against you? Did you
Speaker 14: kind of take a little bit of a lighter approach
Speaker 14: with some of that by featuring some of the more
Speaker 14: I guess. I guess everyone's developmental to a point, but
Speaker 14: it did seem like you had some talent on there
Speaker 14: that maybe wouldn't make the cut other weeks or am
Speaker 14: I mistaken?
Speaker 5: No, Look to your point of the developmental. I believe
Speaker 5: in this business you're developmental till the day you stop
Speaker 5: getting in the ring. You learn every single time you're
Speaker 5: in there.
Speaker 4: The day that you.
Speaker 5: Stop learning about what's next in this business and what's
Speaker 5: coming up and what's new and stop growing, you should
Speaker 5: stop because you're done. So everyone as developmental, as far
Speaker 5: as the people in the show. Yeah, Look, how would
Speaker 5: it have been different? Well, one, it would have had commercial
Speaker 5: breaks too. We would have to go right to the
Speaker 5: exact moment of going off the air. You know, we
Speaker 5: went off the earlier as our network and we can
Speaker 5: we can tweak some things around and change some things.
Speaker 5: Would that hour have been different Yes, Would it have
Speaker 5: been massively different? Nope. You know, here's the thing. You
Speaker 5: have two hours. Not everything in there can be you know, poorn,
Speaker 5: gas and the fire. You have to have moments and times.
Speaker 5: You know, it's a funny thing in the world when
Speaker 5: people watch a Game of Thrones or something like that,
Speaker 5: there have to be some episodes or at least some
Speaker 5: moments within those shows where they're building to something bigger.
Speaker 5: If everything is just you know, a massive explosion. Then
Speaker 5: it's just it's all the same. It doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 5: So you have to have that ebb and flow and
Speaker 5: you have to have that stuff. I want to debut
Speaker 5: new characters. I want to get new performers out there.
Speaker 5: I want to give opportunity to people, one that are
Speaker 5: returning or that they haven't seen in a while, or
Speaker 5: two that they they've never seen, and and give it
Speaker 5: to them in that manner. But to do that, you
Speaker 5: have to you have to do things differently, shake things
Speaker 5: up and you and you have to have those moments
Speaker 5: where you know you're you're gonna rely on fans to
Speaker 5: go like, hey, this is somebody new, but you know
Speaker 5: what I want, I want to give them a shot. Right,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna to leave because I've
Speaker 5: never seen this person before. I'm gonna leave because I'm
Speaker 5: gonna not leave because I'm interested in finding out more
Speaker 5: about them, because we've done a good enough job before
Speaker 5: you see them the first time of building some hype
Speaker 5: around it that you're interested in. And that's really what
Speaker 5: I want to do is just keep people interested.
Speaker 15: All right, Thank you very much, Thank you well.
Speaker 12: Here next from Connorcasey with Comic book dot Com.
Speaker 14: Please go ahead, you much appreciate it.
Speaker 8: I think a lot of players are really surprised to
Speaker 8: see Leo Rush back in the fold tonight with his returns,
Speaker 8: and that was playing out ahead of time or was
Speaker 8: this a fairly in recent development.
Speaker 4: No, it's something we've been talking about for a while.
Speaker 5: But look the this whole thing of an XT in USA.
Speaker 5: While we've been talking about doing it for a year
Speaker 5: and a half, two years, then when it finally happens,
Speaker 5: it's a recent development because when it until it actually happens,
Speaker 5: you know, it hasn't happened. So until we knew what
Speaker 5: was going on, there was a bit of a of
Speaker 5: a lag there. And uh, you know, I'm I'm just
Speaker 5: really excited Leo Rush one of the He just a
Speaker 5: phenomenal energetic and uh and money performer to me, and
Speaker 5: and I'm thrilled that we can put him in this
Speaker 5: show and have him showcase what he does. He was
Speaker 5: spectacular tonight he and on he both tore up and
Speaker 5: and uh, you know that that's what.
Speaker 4: This is about.
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Speaker 11: We next, Paul, thank you so much for time.
Speaker 14: Hey you so.
Speaker 4: Chompa released this video.
Speaker 13: Earlier today, very cool video where it looked like he
Speaker 13: was ready to get back into action.
Speaker 5: What's the latest one with chomp?
Speaker 15: Has he been cleared to return?
Speaker 5: He is getting very close. You know, when you when
Speaker 5: you come down to the end. Unfortunately, I've been through
Speaker 5: a lot of when you come down to the end,
Speaker 5: there's this point in time where you are just chomping
Speaker 5: at the bit, You're ready to go, You feel like
Speaker 5: you can move the world, and yet the doctors are
Speaker 5: still like just giving a bit more like just take
Speaker 5: it slow. That last couple of percent to getting to
Speaker 5: one hundred percent is the most frustrating part for an
Speaker 5: athlete because you feel like you're ready to take on
Speaker 5: the world and you just can't quite yet. And he's ready,
Speaker 5: He's as close as you know he can get. But
Speaker 5: when they give him the green light, he is the
Speaker 5: racehorse right now, stomping and pushing against that gate, and
Speaker 5: when that doctor tells him go, he's gonna come flying
Speaker 5: out of there.
Speaker 6: Cool.
Speaker 4: Hey, Paul, thanks so much.
Speaker 16: Congratulations on a great show tonight.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, and we'll hear.
Speaker 12: Next from Kelly Wells with tw toorch dot com.
Speaker 17: Please go ahead, ni cool, thanks for a show. How
Speaker 17: are you doing? Thanks for a show full of surprise tonight.
Speaker 4: So thank you very much.
Speaker 17: Using the raw and the Manhattan Center an example, other
Speaker 17: live shows have originally emanated from the same arena week
Speaker 17: after week, but is NXT unique and that the decision
Speaker 17: to stay at full sale for the foreseeaful future allows
Speaker 17: talents to remain grounded at the performance center. And what
Speaker 17: role did the crowd play given that we know that
Speaker 17: this crowd will react positively, not only to the existing talent,
Speaker 17: but the addition of the cruiserweights.
Speaker 5: So I think that the decision to stay here was many,
Speaker 5: you know, there was many the thoughts and different components
Speaker 5: that went into it business wise, our partnership here.
Speaker 4: But for me also too.
Speaker 5: You know, when we say we are NXT this, that's
Speaker 5: a part of it. This crowd that's here, a lot
Speaker 5: of them have been coming to this since day one,
Speaker 5: and they come to the shows and they support the
Speaker 5: s shows you know, around Florida, and they're a part
Speaker 5: of this. And we have people travel in from all
Speaker 5: over the place kind of and come to Florida on
Speaker 5: their vacations or whatever. And part of the what they
Speaker 5: do while they're here, they're looking for an NXT event
Speaker 5: to go to and that's a really cool thing. And
Speaker 5: they've been such an integral part of that. When I
Speaker 5: say we are NXT, I mean them, we all of us,
Speaker 5: the talent, the crew, the everybody. They're a part of
Speaker 5: this team that made this thing work and they are
Speaker 5: as well. So there's there's a part of it for
Speaker 5: me like emotionally that I go, yeah, I don't want
Speaker 5: to do this anywhere else. I want to do it
Speaker 5: right here, and I want these people that are here
Speaker 5: every single you know, show that we've done. I want
Speaker 5: them to be able to stand up on the USA Network,
Speaker 5: the number one network on cable television, and to be
Speaker 5: able to stand up and let their voices be heard
Speaker 5: and show who they are and how proud they are
Speaker 5: of it. They got it to where it is as
Speaker 5: much as we did, the talent did, the crew did,
Speaker 5: the everybody else did, but they were there for it.
Speaker 5: And and this is the thank you, right, this is
Speaker 5: the this is the moment in time they get to
Speaker 5: come on the ride with us and they get to
Speaker 5: experience this as well and and be a part of
Speaker 5: this live. So you know, when when this building here
Speaker 5: at at Full Sale University, the Full Sale Live, which
Speaker 5: you know might as well be called the n x
Speaker 5: T Arena. When when they're live and something is good,
Speaker 5: there is no more energetic environment than here. It's it's
Speaker 5: a crazy vibe here and and you know, I love it.
Speaker 5: And to me, this is the thank you. Thank you
Speaker 5: for for helping us get to where we are, and
Speaker 5: thank you for coming along in the ride and continue
Speaker 5: to come along with us because we're just getting started.
Speaker 17: You know, yes, absolutely, thanks for a great show.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 12: And we'll hear next from Bryan for.
Speaker 19: Hey Ryan, a Paul Paul Killer show tonight. Thank you
Speaker 19: so for the people who are watching at home. And
Speaker 19: I don't even know if you know this yet because
Speaker 19: were obviously very busy tonight, but there were massive issues
Speaker 19: with the WWE network tonight where people were trying to
Speaker 19: log in and they couldn't. There was all these password issues.
Speaker 19: Do you have any ideas there have been any word
Speaker 19: brought back to you yet on what might have caused that.
Speaker 4: You know, so I heard about it.
Speaker 5: I don't believe from my understanding, just from what I've
Speaker 5: heard so far, I don't believe it was a massive,
Speaker 5: widespread thing, you know, like bad news travels fast. But
Speaker 5: I don't believe it was as big as it was
Speaker 5: kind of put out.
Speaker 4: There to be.
Speaker 5: I think there was a select grouping of people that
Speaker 5: couldn't log in or something. To my understanding. The great
Speaker 5: thing is with the WW network, once the issue was
Speaker 5: addressed and fixed, they could log right in and you
Speaker 5: can go back and watch it right now on demand,
Speaker 5: and you can watch it whenever you want. So it's
Speaker 5: sitting right there. You know, with the platform, comes comes
Speaker 5: little glitches and issues. I know we're they're in the
Speaker 5: process of figuring it all out and hopefully that's something
Speaker 5: that ever happen again. And you know, for our for
Speaker 5: our fan base that was was there watching it, then
Speaker 5: go back and watch.
Speaker 4: It right now.
Speaker 11: Cool.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 5: I'll thank you, thank you, and.
Speaker 12: We'll take our last question from Sean Ross staff with
Speaker 12: Fightful Please go ahead.
Speaker 16: Hey sew, Hey Paul, thanks for taking the time. Of course,
Speaker 16: one of the big discussions is how much would Vincent Man,
Speaker 16: if at all, have any hand in this show.
Speaker 4: Did you get any input.
Speaker 16: From him before, during, or immediately after this show? Maybe
Speaker 16: any any tips, anything of that nature.
Speaker 5: I received a bunch of texts from him throughout the day, Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, excited and excited to see it and uh,
Speaker 5: you know, wishing us a lot, especially as they got close.
Speaker 5: You know, he was sending me a little text counting
Speaker 5: me down to twenty minutes, you know, which I thought
Speaker 5: was great because you know, it's it was just fun.
Speaker 5: But and then he sent me a few text rash
Speaker 5: he watched the entire thing. I'm sure he's at the office,
Speaker 5: probably in a meeting while he was doing it. But
Speaker 5: he enjoyed it. He loved it, and uh thought talented
Speaker 5: a hell of a job. Thought they knocked it out
Speaker 5: of the park. You know, he was excited. He sent
Speaker 5: me a massive congratulations after it was over, and was
Speaker 5: thrilled with the product. You know, it's it's a funny
Speaker 5: thing because you know, people don't give him the credit.
Speaker 5: He embraces the difference. He embraces the difference. The products
Speaker 5: should be different, and he embraces that difference and is
Speaker 5: all into that difference and can see the difference and
Speaker 5: and you know, it's like liking different types of music
Speaker 5: and one thing might be somebody's cup of tea, something
Speaker 5: else might be the other. But you can appreciate all
Speaker 5: of it. And I think that's the you know, the
Speaker 5: best way of saying it. He absolutely appreciates it and
Speaker 5: thought it was great. So you know, he sent me
Speaker 5: a congrats to us, to the crew and to the.
Speaker 4: All the talent. Thanks, Paul, thank you.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry what you're saying. One more was that was okay? Well,
Speaker 5: you know, I thought we had a spectacular night. And
Speaker 5: I appreciate everybody's support on this and wanting to be involved,
Speaker 5: and I you appreciate all the conversation around it. You know,
Speaker 5: obviously you'd be doing this every week. I don't know
Speaker 5: that doing every single thing every week is the best
Speaker 5: way to do it. But I want to keep these
Speaker 5: doors open. I want to keep these conversations going and
Speaker 5: and let you guys help be a part of this
Speaker 5: and make it the best show that we can make
Speaker 5: it that my goal is as good as everybody feels
Speaker 5: it was tonight. There are some things I want to
Speaker 5: do better and We're going to make this the best
Speaker 5: show on television. That's that's the goal. So you know,
Speaker 5: I was thrilled. My hat's off to everybody, and I
Speaker 5: thank you all for the for the support tonight. Thank
Speaker 5: you very much.
Speaker 20: Thanks everybody, Every good night.
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Speaker 1: five Sullivan Brothers Convention Center in front of a live
Speaker 1: audience at the George Tragels Luthez Pro Wrestling Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame Weekend Happenings. This interview took place on Friday, July
Speaker 1: twenty sixth.
Speaker 3: Our guest Nick Dinsmore. No one in WWE as Eugene.
Speaker 21: I will at the Pro Wrestling Hall of Fame luthas George, George,
Speaker 21: George Tregos Luthez, and it's the highlight of every summer.
Speaker 21: It's really cool to do this, and we've been a
Speaker 21: little more free for him. We've got the famed Eugene frame,
Speaker 21: Nick din Dinwe all kinds of things in professional wrestling.
Speaker 1: And in the Chris tradition of wrestling promoters.
Speaker 3: We have a packed house tonight.
Speaker 7: Out to the raptors, not an empty scene in the house.
Speaker 7: Were turned away at the door the Raptors.
Speaker 1: So I'm wad Keller, pros and coach editor, hosts of
Speaker 1: the Wake Color Prosing podcast. Bruce Mitchell is the senior
Speaker 1: columnist nineteen ninety with Pro Wrestling Torch and also the
Speaker 1: star of the Bruce Mitchelladio Show, the second longest running
Speaker 1: weekly podcast on any subject anywhere since two thousand.
Speaker 3: And four, before the word podcast existed.
Speaker 1: And we have Nick Dinsmore Eugene as our first guest.
Speaker 1: And so if you guys have questions or want to
Speaker 1: interject at any point as we're talking, just.
Speaker 3: Wave and let me know.
Speaker 1: And then when we kind of get to a break point,
Speaker 1: we'll we'll go to you first.
Speaker 7: Can we spec to you, mister Dinsmore?
Speaker 21: Sure I know you are training wrestlers now, talk about
Speaker 21: what you're doing now in the business and where and
Speaker 21: how it's all working.
Speaker 22: Since twenty fifteen, My wife and I live in Sue Fall,
Speaker 22: South Dakota.
Speaker 7: She's from Sioux Falls. I'm from Louisville, Kentucky.
Speaker 22: We now live in Swuit Falls and we're in Midwest
Speaker 22: All Pro Wrestling now have just about thirty students. We're
Speaker 22: on two monthly events plus other events. We tour around
Speaker 22: and try to take live pro wrestling entertainment around the Midwest,
Speaker 22: all ages, family friendly, Eugene style live entertainment and train
Speaker 22: wrestlers in the art and professional wrestling guys that want
Speaker 22: to either wrestle just to try it, or guys that
Speaker 22: want to wrestle for w you try.
Speaker 4: To tcd art.
Speaker 21: How's that experience been. How's teaching compared to you know,
Speaker 21: looking out for yourself and managing your own career. Well,
Speaker 21: teaching is something I've always done.
Speaker 22: When I was in Louisville at OBEW when the big
Speaker 22: flock of developmental guys came, I was kind of like
Speaker 22: a player coach at the time, and I was doing
Speaker 22: some teaching but wrestling a lot of the guys that
Speaker 22: were there when Batista was there and Brock and Seen
Speaker 22: in Victoria. You know, it's been a long time. And
Speaker 22: then I was also a coach at the Formance Center
Speaker 22: for a couple of years. So the teaching something that
Speaker 22: I've always enjoyed. And I've always known that I wanted
Speaker 22: to start my own wrestling company Territory, you know, just
Speaker 22: because I find it interesting. And stoot Falls had zero
Speaker 22: wrestling at the time, and you know, we've had a
Speaker 22: monthly event for the past three years and kind of
Speaker 22: given that section of the world, you know, their own
Speaker 22: pro wrestling. So it's Midwest All Pro Wrestling m AP
Speaker 22: where we're putting pre wrestling on the map. Yeah, I
Speaker 22: guess wrestled Jonathan Coachman on the twelfth.
Speaker 7: We had a sup Fall street fight. We went and
Speaker 7: took it in the street.
Speaker 22: We rumbled up and down Lane Avenue there and we
Speaker 22: were trying to create awareness for organ donation. Coach's father
Speaker 22: recently received a life saving cart transplant, and he was
Speaker 22: trying to encourage people to mark on their license to
Speaker 22: become an organ donor, because you can save up to
Speaker 22: eight lives with one donor, but then one donor can
Speaker 22: also contribute something like seven seven thousand different donations.
Speaker 7: From from one body. I don't understand the stats, but
Speaker 7: that's what I've sold regardless.
Speaker 22: We had big event in Sioux Falls and coach came
Speaker 22: down and his dad was there, and it was it
Speaker 22: was a good time, sold out, packed to the rafters,
Speaker 22: turned away at the door.
Speaker 3: There are how'd that come about bringing a Coachman in?
Speaker 1: In terms of the logistics of that, it would seem
Speaker 1: like getting him to South Dakota. It's for a good cause,
Speaker 1: But as an Indian promoter trying to bring somebody to
Speaker 1: that part of the country, that seems like a good achievements.
Speaker 22: He's from the Kansas City so it wasn't too far away,
Speaker 22: and his dad, I guess lived his sitting and they
Speaker 22: drove up and then he flew out to h the
Speaker 22: pay per views on on.
Speaker 7: That Saturday, the Extreme Rules pay per view, whatever it was,
Speaker 7: it was, it was his idea.
Speaker 4: He wanted to do it.
Speaker 22: You know, he's trying to contribute to his Saint Luke's
Speaker 22: foundation because that was the for some people that let's
Speaker 22: say someone in the family needs a heart transplant, the
Speaker 22: family can't afford it, there's a foundation to try to
Speaker 22: allegate some of the cost of it, and we're trying
Speaker 22: to raise money for that. But as well as awareness
Speaker 22: of the people become an organed downer.
Speaker 3: Good that's a very good cause. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: places we can go, because you've been a lot of places.
Speaker 1: But talk about some of the people that you have
Speaker 1: worked with training who have gone on to become big,
Speaker 1: big names that people know about. Like give us some
Speaker 1: insight and some fun stories on a couple of people
Speaker 1: early on who went on to be successful.
Speaker 22: I can't tell all of them, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 22: like I said, when I was in Louisville, I had
Speaker 22: about three or four his experience when they sent John
Speaker 22: Cena there and Baptista and brock Lesner and a lot.
Speaker 7: Of those guys came in with zero experience.
Speaker 22: They Randy came in It had a few matches, but
Speaker 22: he didn't know anybody, and he was he was kind
Speaker 22: of in a particular shy, but not real shy, but
Speaker 22: know anybody. And the first thing I did would just
Speaker 22: start messing with him. In our first show, he was
Speaker 22: going out his first match OVW and I kicked his
Speaker 22: back leg and he tripped going through the curtain. But
Speaker 22: it was like that the fact that I just joked
Speaker 22: with him, that he and I became really good friends,
Speaker 22: and the scene and I used to ride together, who
Speaker 22: became real good buddies. That The only story I can
Speaker 22: tell you is we were in Knoxville one night. We
Speaker 22: bought a bunch of fireworks and I was hanging out
Speaker 22: the car shooting bottle rockets down the street when you
Speaker 22: really got arrested, but the champ champ talked to got
Speaker 22: to calling the police owners.
Speaker 1: So that's just an amazing classic wrestlers at that time period,
Speaker 1: and everybody went on to do great things. When you
Speaker 1: saw when you see somebody like John Cena are there
Speaker 1: like eight other guys who were as that you run into,
Speaker 1: who are as determined and dedicated to becoming successful like
Speaker 1: he has, who just don't make it. Or was there
Speaker 1: something about Sena that even then you could see stood
Speaker 1: out as this guy's got that something that's gonna make
Speaker 1: him successful.
Speaker 7: He leaves in bounds above everybody else. Like if you
Speaker 7: look at him, there.
Speaker 22: Might be other guys that look similar bodyboater, good, look athletic,
Speaker 22: all right, But then when you would just promo is
Speaker 22: his emotion? The stuff that he did, we used to
Speaker 22: have like a kind of a drill, not a drill,
Speaker 22: but like I would interview you and say, okay, you've
Speaker 22: got a match tonight with so and so go, And
Speaker 22: somebody tried to get him on like a you've got
Speaker 22: a Super Mario Kart match against the Pillsbury Double Boy.
Speaker 22: You know, all these fictitious characters, and he cut a
Speaker 22: promo on each one of them and just didn't miss
Speaker 22: a beat. He can make you laugh, he can make
Speaker 22: it you cry. And I think his his on screen
Speaker 22: character as wholesome John cena is Is is great, but
Speaker 22: it's it's also you know, not his full range, because
Speaker 22: he's very talented.
Speaker 3: And then how about brock Lesser.
Speaker 22: Brock was always nice. He was a you know, Midwestern guy,
Speaker 22: and I don't I don't know that he liked a
Speaker 22: lot of the crowd, like at least people coming up
Speaker 22: to him. I'm not really sure. Yeah, but I remember
Speaker 22: he met my wife and my wife's in the Midwest,
Speaker 22: and they immediately connected on Midwestern living and whatnot. And
Speaker 22: then when I saw him the wrestling in thirty right
Speaker 22: before the wrestle undertake, as a person asked me, you're
Speaker 22: still with the girl from Laverne. Yeah, yeah, we got married.
Speaker 22: So he was always super nice and me he was
Speaker 22: the first one to be at the arena. He'd drive
Speaker 22: the ring, set up the ring, take down the ring,
Speaker 22: the last guy there, and I'm just super super nice.
Speaker 23: I'm Kelly Wells, host of the seven Star podcast, the
Speaker 23: new Ongoing Torch show covering the world of New Japan
Speaker 23: pro wrestling. We'll drop new episodes as major shows and
Speaker 23: noteworthy events dictate.
Speaker 6: And I'm Chris Lansdowe.
Speaker 14: Join us as we covered the ever changing landscape of
Speaker 14: New Japan as they navigate an era with no lack
Speaker 14: of talent.
Speaker 6: But I really need to create some new styles.
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Speaker 1: And when you did you think there was something about
Speaker 1: that he was also special like John Cena where or
Speaker 1: did you see some of the trepidation to be that
Speaker 1: kind of public figure where you thought maybe this won't
Speaker 1: work up.
Speaker 22: No, I didn't think it wouldn't work out because he
Speaker 22: was a national champion amateur wrestler, and just something about
Speaker 22: him is just magnetism. But you see people like like
Speaker 22: that walk in the airport or down the street, it's
Speaker 22: just immediately like I don't know who this is, but
Speaker 22: something about me is attractive. Team the Rock is like
Speaker 22: that a million fold. I mean, I mean a little
Speaker 22: bit with him that made my career, and it was like,
Speaker 22: you know, just something about you know, I'm not attracted, man,
Speaker 22: but that goddamn guy's attracted. Just about him is like,
Speaker 22: you know, just I just want to look at him.
Speaker 22: I don't know, It's just something that's unexplainable.
Speaker 3: And it was pretty cool about Da Batista.
Speaker 1: He was in that class of people who when Brock left,
Speaker 1: he took off and kind of got the push that
Speaker 1: that that opening that when Brock left was left open
Speaker 1: and went on to have a great career. Where was
Speaker 1: he relative to Brock and Sena athletically in terms of
Speaker 1: his his enthusiasm and attitude and all of that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need it working.
Speaker 22: Dave was really cool, but he uh, he didn't he
Speaker 22: didn't have a wide range of offense, which was fine
Speaker 22: because what.
Speaker 7: He did worked. But I remember at a certain point.
Speaker 22: When he was Leviath and his wife then started to
Speaker 22: get over and people started and Louisville started like Leviath,
Speaker 22: and so I would take him down and put him
Speaker 22: in a hole and wait for the people get behind him.
Speaker 22: And then he get upset because he's suposed to heal,
Speaker 22: and he's like, you can turn me, baby face. He
Speaker 22: can panic and fluster. And I just laughed, you know,
Speaker 22: But like, uh, there's so many big guys that came through,
Speaker 22: Like Nathan Jones came through there, Yeah, and just he
Speaker 22: wasn't reckless, but he was just so big and so powerful.
Speaker 22: And I was, you know, two hundred and twenty pounds
Speaker 22: and I'm supposed to be leading him and he's thrown
Speaker 22: me around the ring. All those guys were there was
Speaker 22: a big group that got hired at the same time.
Speaker 22: But those guys seeing up Rock Randy Bautista were just
Speaker 22: something that was much more appealing about them because there
Speaker 22: was you know, threefold that many guys that they were there.
Speaker 1: But back then, would you have picked out one or
Speaker 1: two others who you thought would have equally good chance
Speaker 1: of those four or didn't for when you look back
Speaker 1: stand out as I could have.
Speaker 3: Told you then these are the four are gonna make it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can tell early sometimes.
Speaker 7: I mean sometimes sometimes you can.
Speaker 22: Then there were guys that you might thought they could
Speaker 22: have used, but maybe just one thing happened, you know,
Speaker 22: in their life that you know.
Speaker 1: What's what's one of the keys for young wrestlers who
Speaker 1: want who want to make it on a in a
Speaker 1: big scale. Obviously, if you don't have that, in fact
Speaker 1: that you talked about Rock having, you can't invent that.
Speaker 3: But what what's something.
Speaker 1: In terms of attitude, in terms of approach to the
Speaker 1: business that is in someone's control that you just wish
Speaker 1: you could gift Everybody who has that desire.
Speaker 7: Just have to immerse themselves in it completely.
Speaker 22: I mean, it's difficult to have other responsibilities in life
Speaker 22: and then try to make it to the top level.
Speaker 22: It's it's very difficult to and I see some guys
Speaker 22: try and it's it's very it's spread their time back
Speaker 22: and forth with the guys that can really just jump
Speaker 22: in with both feet and if they have to relocate
Speaker 22: and go somewhere and move somewhere, or just you know, hey,
Speaker 22: I'm gonna go get out of the country and just
Speaker 22: just go wherever it takes me and just try to
Speaker 22: immerse themselves fully in it and then try to nine
Speaker 22: people that have credibility, have done things, have been places
Speaker 22: to draw off of and create connections with people that
Speaker 22: have connections and try to keep in.
Speaker 21: Touch with those there. Are there more opportunities now or less?
Speaker 21: Or is the market opening up or not?
Speaker 7: Or I don't know.
Speaker 6: Can of the business you think?
Speaker 22: You know, years ago it was difficult to get in,
Speaker 22: but once you got in, there's a lot of places
Speaker 22: to work and if you were halfway decent, you know,
Speaker 22: other promoters could send you around.
Speaker 7: But now it's it's not so much like that. It's
Speaker 7: easy to get in, but there's no money.
Speaker 22: It's it's like there's a base level of INDI's and
Speaker 22: then there's a big step if you can get over overseas.
Speaker 21: Or get starting to change or it's still common.
Speaker 22: But I mean with with with with the AW expanding
Speaker 22: and I mean times they're changing.
Speaker 7: You know, it could be.
Speaker 21: It just seems like w W has more wrestlers on
Speaker 21: their contract and the aw's getting wrestlers on the contract.
Speaker 22: Course we look like we got three shows with the
Speaker 22: next team and that they had whatever the relationship is
Speaker 22: with Evolver, you know, and just the more they keep
Speaker 22: adding and you know, with the network, they're probably gonna
Speaker 22: have shows about people that just come into the performance
Speaker 22: center and in that situation in a reality style, and
Speaker 22: then once they start having matches, then the next tier
Speaker 22: of guys at the performance center, and then the NXT
Speaker 22: show or whatever it is, and then they have the
Speaker 22: ability to have I pitched a music video show with
Speaker 22: wrestling videos, with all the videos they've ever made.
Speaker 7: Music video show didn't bite on it.
Speaker 21: Can you talk about talking about the developmental system training
Speaker 21: wrestlers back in the WW days and now you got
Speaker 21: your in school and then of course an XT, like
Speaker 21: the difference is now how that's really become more of
Speaker 21: an industry.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 22: Krang was the first developmental guy, but he was when
Speaker 22: they sent him to Memphis, and there were other guys
Speaker 22: at the time, but basically what that was then was
Speaker 22: independent companies training w's future talent.
Speaker 7: And this is what I've.
Speaker 22: Heard when Tah went from just on screen talent and
Speaker 22: more in the office, NC sent him around to every
Speaker 22: department in b and just get a feel for it
Speaker 22: and think for two weeks and then come back and
Speaker 22: report on me. So he went to marketing and pay
Speaker 22: per views and whatever it is, and then he went
Speaker 22: down to FCW and it wasn't knock on FCW, but
Speaker 22: FCW is an indie company training w W talent and
Speaker 22: hunters like that's not that's not the w W class,
Speaker 22: you know, level of excellence, and so Vince goes, okay,
Speaker 22: well then you'll be in charge of that. That's when
Speaker 22: he went to the New York Giants training Center and
Speaker 22: kind of said, okay, the best athletes in the in
Speaker 22: the world, what what what?
Speaker 7: What do they work with?
Speaker 22: And that's what he kind of looked around, said Okay,
Speaker 22: this is what we need, and that Performance Centers is
Speaker 22: a beautiful building, like there's there's no reason that somebody
Speaker 22: that goes down there should not succeed.
Speaker 1: Do you when you have students that you're training, do
Speaker 1: you have your eye on like I can recommend them
Speaker 1: to Hunter, to WWE and and kind of what is
Speaker 1: your criteria for wanting to put your reputation on the
Speaker 1: line to make that phone call or send that email
Speaker 1: saying hey, here's somebody you should look at it.
Speaker 7: It's a lot of things.
Speaker 24: You know.
Speaker 22: It's because WW has always been a big man business,
Speaker 22: but a someone that's an entertainer can also get in there.
Speaker 22: So if someone has that one little thing that's very
Speaker 22: popular or very entertaining or very attractive, you know, they
Speaker 22: might have what it takes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you gotta be careful. How many guys you recommend? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 21: Talk about your own career. You worked with everybody like
Speaker 21: you worked with the top guys on the top and.
Speaker 22: Been ring with the rock Ben, ring with Colvin Pain,
Speaker 22: Vince McMahon, that know what I mean, Like the best
Speaker 22: day of my life was a damn.
Speaker 3: That my life.
Speaker 21: Hey, you talked a little about you get hurt.
Speaker 7: I had to drag her down.
Speaker 21: He talked a little about about working with brock Lester,
Speaker 21: about about how charismatic he was and how it helped
Speaker 21: your career talked about him, or you worked with didn't work,
Speaker 21: you worked a shame man.
Speaker 22: And I wrestled Vincent Chain does Sioux City and they
Speaker 22: poured green paint on my head and I sat there
Speaker 22: for three hours with green paint standing in my head
Speaker 22: and they put my head in a toilet.
Speaker 7: Toilet.
Speaker 21: Yeah, what's it like working for that level of I
Speaker 21: mean we all have that. You know the boss and
Speaker 21: then there's the boss and when they come we've had
Speaker 21: those experiences. Is like, that's but but that just seems
Speaker 21: like ituld be a completely different dimension of I.
Speaker 7: Can't remember what were you do?
Speaker 22: Was in the ring with Vince something and there's a
Speaker 22: promo in the ring live on TV and for some reason,
Speaker 22: I just write him kissed him on the cheek and
Speaker 22: no reason.
Speaker 7: I had no idea why, and I didn't know him
Speaker 7: that well.
Speaker 22: When when when he got when he got injured at
Speaker 22: the one Row rumble, when he heard both his knees,
Speaker 22: he was in Birmingham.
Speaker 7: That's the same time I had Mandred. I was in
Speaker 7: Birmingham and I didn't.
Speaker 22: Tell him, but I snuck into his hospital room and
Speaker 22: just like peecked my head in there and he was
Speaker 22: like it wasn't clean shaven. I could tell you started
Speaker 22: getting nervous and just say, hey, I'm in town. If
Speaker 22: you need anything, tell somebody, get a hold of me.
Speaker 22: And I was too nervous, And I wish I would
Speaker 22: have sat there because he wasn't gonna go to go
Speaker 22: anywhere with both his knees prepared and just talked to him.
Speaker 22: But it's probably the biggest regret I have that I
Speaker 22: just didn't sit there and just poke at him.
Speaker 7: And you can talk. I was nervous, yeah, shying, but
Speaker 7: having that.
Speaker 21: Spotlight and then doing the things the way they wanted
Speaker 21: to have done and the way you wanted them done too.
Speaker 21: I mean that's and and and getting through that. That's
Speaker 21: when you team with Flair too, right, Yes, on a
Speaker 21: paper view, Yes, so just some experiences with him.
Speaker 22: Flair wanted to do a bit where he introduced Hugene
Speaker 22: to maybe some Ladies of.
Speaker 7: The Ninth or whatnot.
Speaker 3: And I can only see the camera off.
Speaker 22: I can almost see like like the big bed and
Speaker 22: the Flair and the girls and Eugene and.
Speaker 7: Like the pipe.
Speaker 22: But I would have like the pipe of blows the bubbles,
Speaker 22: you know, but that get shot down.
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Speaker 21: Let's talk about the character of Eugene. I know you
Speaker 21: talk to us a couple of years ago here in
Speaker 21: Waterloo about the whole that there was a whole plan
Speaker 21: for Eugene, or at least I've heard this that there
Speaker 21: was a whole plan for Eugene. It went beyond just
Speaker 21: the character that some things are going to be revealed
Speaker 21: in the end.
Speaker 22: But can it's that or did I hear that from
Speaker 22: I don't remember I couldn't think I don't know, yah me.
Speaker 1: Talk about the origination and the progression you could take it.
Speaker 22: I was trained by not Mary Danny Davison ovw but
Speaker 22: also Hustle Rip Rogers, Rip Rogers. Soon his autism, so
Speaker 22: ripped him to me one day and said, I've got
Speaker 22: an idea for a character.
Speaker 7: That, you know, kind of like rain Man.
Speaker 22: You can't you know, not very social and can't tie
Speaker 22: his booze, can't put a square paint in a square hole,
Speaker 22: but the minute the bell rings, he can do wrestling flawlessly.
Speaker 22: Because at that point I was mister Wrestling Nick Dinsmore,
Speaker 22: and I could wrestle an hour Broadway and not use
Speaker 22: the same multiwise whatever. The wrestling was easy, and I
Speaker 22: was getting to a point where I was not getting frustrated,
Speaker 22: but just I wasn't challenged. So I was doing comedy
Speaker 22: in my match, just to entertain myself and entertain the fans.
Speaker 22: And I pitched that to all the agents for like
Speaker 22: RN and Fit and Dean, and they're like, well, wrestling's
Speaker 22: kind of gonna beyond that. We don't do that anymore.
Speaker 22: This is probably two thousand and four, two thousand and three.
Speaker 7: Thousand and four.
Speaker 22: Okay, so then all the writers come down pitched all them.
Speaker 22: I don't think we would do that, So I told
Speaker 22: somebody this earlier. I would see the guys that would
Speaker 22: not complain, but the squeaky will gets the oil. So
Speaker 22: I'd see some of the talent that might voice their opinions,
Speaker 22: and all of a sudden they'd end up on TV.
Speaker 22: And I was never one to complain or squawk. But
Speaker 22: then I said, I told Doug Bashem, I said, I
Speaker 22: think I'm gonna quit and try to go Japan, which
Speaker 22: I wasn't going to because I was living at home
Speaker 22: in my home, top dog in the territory, working four
Speaker 22: hours a day wrestling, so I wasn't but I wanted
Speaker 22: to see what would happened.
Speaker 7: Doug Bashom told dem Malinko Dean told Johnny eight.
Speaker 22: Next thing I know, I'm sitting in a meeting with
Speaker 22: Vince mcman and Stephanie was there, and Vince.
Speaker 7: Goes, I want to get back to character based wrestling.
Speaker 22: So I just thought, this idea, what about this character
Speaker 22: raymonn blah blahlah blah blah.
Speaker 7: Great, we'll start on Monday. I had no idea that,
Speaker 7: but I didn't know who the character was. I just
Speaker 7: it was just an idea.
Speaker 22: Steve Aouston walks in and uh, Steve Boston worked with
Speaker 22: Danny Davis and a Global and this was especial seen
Speaker 22: the kid wrestled no so with Danny and his training,
Speaker 22: and Steve goes.
Speaker 7: Well, you're probably one of the best.
Speaker 22: And it was just that photo confidence, like not seeing
Speaker 22: me wrestles like wow. And they filmed some vignettes for Eugene,
Speaker 22: but they really didn't like it, so they just it
Speaker 22: was Houston.
Speaker 7: I remember the day.
Speaker 22: It's sometime in May in two thousand and four, and
Speaker 22: then I just kept catching on and kept doing well.
Speaker 22: It was something different at that time. I felt like
Speaker 22: it was post nWo, post Steve Boston, but everybody still
Speaker 22: want to be cool, strong, heel and not sell and
Speaker 22: I wanted.
Speaker 7: To do complete opposite.
Speaker 22: I wanted to be sympathetic, comedy, babyface to a midget
Speaker 22: high spots.
Speaker 7: The only kid's character was Hurricane, but he was gonna
Speaker 7: smack down.
Speaker 22: So I knew that there was one one demographic that
Speaker 22: wasn't being filled and Brian Gerwitz could write for it,
Speaker 22: and and that's what took it off right there. The
Speaker 22: movie The Big Show did. Is that we're talking about
Speaker 22: The Big Show movie. No what what I heard and
Speaker 22: I was trying to remember it. It may have done.
Speaker 21: Nothing to it, but it was that at the end
Speaker 21: of your character are that it'd be revealed that you
Speaker 21: were actually an evil genius.
Speaker 7: I think I think we went too far, but then
Speaker 7: we went too long.
Speaker 22: I think if it would have at the peak have
Speaker 22: been over if they would have done it then, but
Speaker 22: then I don't know that it would have been as
Speaker 22: good as as they would. I had to put me
Speaker 22: at the top heel and it probably would have been
Speaker 22: done and I would have been It couldn't be halfway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Yeah, there's you have like a story.
Speaker 1: I can think, well, this would be the reveal and
Speaker 1: then I'll shift into.
Speaker 3: That long term.
Speaker 1: But the initial character worked so well, yeah, that you
Speaker 1: just rolled with it, and then it also became too late.
Speaker 22: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I don't know. I mean
Speaker 22: that that was like early on. I think some people
Speaker 22: thought that, but again I don't I don't think it
Speaker 22: would have been good.
Speaker 1: How was a fan interaction when you were playing that role,
Speaker 1: when you're outside the ring, people coming up to you,
Speaker 1: how did they react to you, and how did they
Speaker 1: react to the character, and did they differentiate when you
Speaker 1: would interact with people outside and just the public.
Speaker 22: No, everybody that I spoke to, everybody that I met,
Speaker 22: everybody that I that I shook hands with, joint yes, please, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11: You're still doing your sure there, sit here.
Speaker 7: In the middle, okay, all right, so sit down till
Speaker 7: you say at ease.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's your words.
Speaker 22: Had the interaction so everybody that nobody had uh, everybody
Speaker 22: loved Eugene. And so often I would get like, my
Speaker 22: brother has special needs and you playing Eugene gave him
Speaker 22: so much inspiration. I can't tell you how many people
Speaker 22: came to me with like positive affirmation that what I
Speaker 22: was doing was right. I think when they first started
Speaker 22: doing the character, some big radio stations kind of didn't.
Speaker 7: Know which way the he was gonna go with the character.
Speaker 22: But once it became an underdog story of somebody trying
Speaker 22: to achieve it was it was everybody loved him.
Speaker 7: Once once the first time I had a match and
Speaker 7: I won, That was it the interest of the story.
Speaker 22: But if they would have made fun of Eugene and
Speaker 22: not really let him do anything, it wouldn't have worked,
Speaker 22: but the writers that wrote it beautifully awesome.
Speaker 1: Does anyone have a question for Nick before?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: But do you have any memorable rib stories?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 7: None that are too good?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I used to take a Matt striker.
Speaker 22: I would always lock his bag in a locker or
Speaker 22: lock his bag to a locker, so you get mad
Speaker 22: and then you have to go find the janitor whatever,
Speaker 22: be run and get the pictures where And he'd come
Speaker 22: back and I were taking it off.
Speaker 11: You go back?
Speaker 7: Can you come back?
Speaker 11: And you back on?
Speaker 7: You know, but he was kind of kind of green,
Speaker 7: so he didn't want to complain. He didn't know who
Speaker 7: was doing it. And I'd just sit back and watch
Speaker 7: him the whole time and take him off, take him on.
Speaker 15: Good.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 25: I'm a little curious if you mentioned Danny Davis and
Speaker 25: there was a real brain trust the v W. As
Speaker 25: you teach, what do you reflect back on the lessons
Speaker 25: as you are learning that you feel are the most
Speaker 25: important to convey to your students.
Speaker 22: I don't feel like like like Danny tell us a
Speaker 22: lot safety and basics and you know, being able to
Speaker 22: I don't have to be strong. I have to look strong,
Speaker 22: but I don't have to be strong, but I have
Speaker 22: to position my body correctly so I take care of
Speaker 22: myself and the guy that I'm working with, and just
Speaker 22: sound fundamental basics and being able to do just enough
Speaker 22: restling that you can wrestle with anybody and you don't
Speaker 22: have to do a whole lot of stuff if you
Speaker 22: can this great, but being able to do the sound
Speaker 22: basics and I hurt yourself and that trip over your
Speaker 22: own feet, have enough cardio, enough core, strength of balance, strength,
Speaker 22: and then getting into being aware of where the ropes are,
Speaker 22: where the referee is, where the manager is, where the
Speaker 22: partners are, how much time we got left with the king,
Speaker 22: you know, and everything else. Yes, Mulla, this character from
Speaker 22: that young man. The name I pitched the idea for
Speaker 22: the character. But there was a young man in Pittsburgh
Speaker 22: and I was might to love. His name was Eugene,
Speaker 22: and he wud come to the matches. I've been him
Speaker 22: a handful of times.
Speaker 26: Father was a brock forree put up the rings and uh.
Speaker 26: He always brought Eugene into the matches and he just
Speaker 26: loved everybody, and everybody loved to him.
Speaker 7: And I see so much in that in the character
Speaker 7: that you portrayed.
Speaker 6: I know we had another hand up.
Speaker 11: Yeah, talkings loves against as we don't.
Speaker 24: Have Mike's talk about team with Rob Conway as.
Speaker 6: Lords of the Ring and Ober.
Speaker 22: Yeah, we we both started wrestling about the same time
Speaker 22: in nineteen ninety six when OBW was just the Danny
Speaker 22: Davis School wrestling, and then when the developmental system came
Speaker 22: in and when I started writing the TV. So he
Speaker 22: carried us on and I don't know, it just would
Speaker 22: be attacked for a long time, and uh, he's probably
Speaker 22: you know, and i'd have a in the ring. I
Speaker 22: didn't have a I don't know what the word is,
Speaker 22: but we knew what each other was thinking, whether we
Speaker 22: were partners or opponents or I can always step one way,
Speaker 22: and I knew he would be there as like I
Speaker 22: didn't really have that with with anybody else, but like
Speaker 22: if we were tag team partners or opponents, always on
Speaker 22: the same page about anything, and it was like a
Speaker 22: real easy to be able to just work with one another,
Speaker 22: you know, like probably the best partner or opponent I've
Speaker 22: ever had. But then Doug Bashelm, I think I probably
Speaker 22: have my best matches with Doug Bashelm.
Speaker 7: But Conway was always a heel, and he never wanted to.
Speaker 22: Be a baby face. And I was always a baby face.
Speaker 22: I beginning out of trouble being the heel. But he
Speaker 22: just wanted to punch Kicken stomps. That's what Lawler and
Speaker 22: Dundee Didville.
Speaker 6: Yes, question for both the talents. Who owns the names
Speaker 6: of your characters?
Speaker 7: Do you own your own names?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 7: I signed, I signed away my likeness rights. Do you
Speaker 7: do you have to lease it?
Speaker 4: Then?
Speaker 7: It really hasn't been an issue. I just I just
Speaker 7: kn'd you know, just if they sent me.
Speaker 26: Okay, thank you, Pasbro. Anybody that wants to mark than
Speaker 26: me the right to use my name, okay, but it
Speaker 26: was it was a hard time, yeah, eighty eighty four
Speaker 26: for me to have to own that name.
Speaker 5: But Buro I am today.
Speaker 1: So any other final questions for Nick before we kind
Speaker 1: of shift focus to Sarge.
Speaker 11: All right, cool, quick one?
Speaker 4: Oh sure?
Speaker 18: Yeah?
Speaker 22: Any memories of about Rico Constantino or Rico is awesome,
Speaker 22: Like he was one of the first developmental guys to
Speaker 22: come to Louisville. And I think he got signed at
Speaker 22: like thirty nine years old maybe or forty, but he
Speaker 22: had walked onto the American Gladiators and won. He'd been
Speaker 22: a cop, been a paramedic, been shot, been stabbed, was
Speaker 22: a bodyguard for Kiss, bodyguard.
Speaker 7: For Benny Hens, the faith healer, legit bad dude.
Speaker 22: After nine to eleven, he was almost asked to be
Speaker 22: a US Marshall I think, but he supposedly he wrestled
Speaker 22: a little bit in Las Vegas and then he sent
Speaker 22: a tape in w Back when WCW's around, they're like,
Speaker 22: somebody calls, you know, w CW's get ready to signed
Speaker 22: Rico Constantino. You gotta decide now are you gonna signing
Speaker 22: or not? You're gonna sign him, it's supposed to They
Speaker 22: signed him right away off that. I don't know if
Speaker 22: that's true. But Rico's athletic and good.
Speaker 7: And then he got injured.
Speaker 22: He towards Botella, and he really had to change his
Speaker 22: style of wrestling, and he could change it so well
Speaker 22: like and then he played the recal character on TV
Speaker 22: was awesome.
Speaker 7: But Rico's a good dude.
Speaker 3: So well, let's get broad of a clause for Nick.
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Speaker 1: Now we move next to the National Wrestling Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame Museum. The next afternoon, a panel discussion that featured
Speaker 1: Beth Phoenix, Gerald Briscoe, Bob Rup, Thunderbolt Patterson, and Baron
Speaker 1: von Rashki. This snippet features Gerald Briscoe talking about legendary
Speaker 1: take teams he wrestled at helped define the career of
Speaker 1: him and his brother Jack, and then extensive comments from
Speaker 1: Beth Phoenix about the transition from the Deva era to today,
Speaker 1: her thoughts on some rising stars men and women and more.
Speaker 3: So, here we go, but you, of course, you.
Speaker 29: Know if you're I think we're kind of stamped with
Speaker 29: two different teams that you know that that we exceled with,
Speaker 29: and I think that's of course, the Funk.
Speaker 6: Brothers and the pres Kale brothers with two.
Speaker 29: Texas Cowboys against two Oklahoma and in you know, and
Speaker 29: all four these and athletes and all four you know,
Speaker 29: ready to rock and roll at the bat at the
Speaker 29: bow of the Westwood would go and give, give the give,
Speaker 29: give everybody setting out there what they paid to see
Speaker 29: action for sixty minutes.
Speaker 6: And uh and it's suspense.
Speaker 15: And a good story along the line.
Speaker 6: And we're fortunately when the Funks we got to go
Speaker 6: all over the world and work with those.
Speaker 4: Two guys, and and.
Speaker 29: I think that that kind of defined their career. And
Speaker 29: then you know, of course at the end of the career,
Speaker 29: we decided to turn and turn the hills. But the
Speaker 29: funny thing about it, when the Bunks would come to
Speaker 29: Florida or the South, you know, they were the hills,
Speaker 29: but you put the brist Hills out into Texas was
Speaker 29: with the Pumps and us being from Oklahoma, we were
Speaker 29: the guys.
Speaker 6: So with our Ben kind of used to used to that.
Speaker 4: But when we went to Carolina, it was the end.
Speaker 29: Of our career and we both decided it's very hard
Speaker 29: in our career that we weren't going to team up
Speaker 29: we were going to be in several places so we
Speaker 29: could take advantage of the.
Speaker 6: System, learned the system. So he went to Florida and
Speaker 6: I went to Carolina.
Speaker 29: He was successful in Florida, course, and through the help
Speaker 29: of this man there.
Speaker 6: I was fairly successful.
Speaker 4: And the Carolina.
Speaker 29: So when they had that big show, they break Jack
Speaker 29: into Carolina. When they have big showed in Florida, they
Speaker 29: break me down there and and you know, we had
Speaker 29: the best of two worlds.
Speaker 6: But probably at the end of it, that was the
Speaker 6: beginning of the career where we said we're not really
Speaker 6: gonna be tag team. We're not going to be known
Speaker 6: as the tag.
Speaker 4: Team in the beginning.
Speaker 6: So we ended up being because of Pompton.
Speaker 29: And then at the end of the career were Florida Jackets.
Speaker 6: Really wanted to retire, he said, So he said, you.
Speaker 20: Know, why don't we turn hill and go to Carolina.
Speaker 29: Doc both Jay Youngblud had just come off of this
Speaker 29: gigantic program with Sergeants Solder and Don to the little
Speaker 29: sergeants here the night and being honored and rightfully so.
Speaker 29: So when they finished up that so Ricky and Jay
Speaker 29: they were so hot. I mean, you give you just
Speaker 29: walk bile and do you kill the uh the hot
Speaker 29: key coming off of them.
Speaker 6: So we we worked at them where we really didn't.
Speaker 4: Change a whole lot.
Speaker 29: We just became more resting, more more uh more to
Speaker 29: the point where we wouldn't break the rules so much,
Speaker 29: and we'd just been them until they couldn't have been anymore.
Speaker 6: And and the people him routing Ricky and.
Speaker 29: Day to to uh to outstanding them and babyfaces like
Speaker 29: a good guys. We automatically, because we were the venner
Speaker 29: and who were the older guy, we automatically became became.
Speaker 6: The bad guys. And we had a very successful rotten
Speaker 6: with those guys. So I hate to hate to say
Speaker 6: one team over another, but I like those two team
Speaker 6: brought there conn at the.
Speaker 30: Mine of the fact, I have another question to me
Speaker 30: that as a as a wrestler who came in.
Speaker 31: An era where the women weren't necessarily all being taken
Speaker 31: as seriously as they are today.
Speaker 7: I'm curious what emotions and.
Speaker 31: Like, what were you feelings as the whole The hashtag
Speaker 31: give you Little Chance started.
Speaker 6: Taking hold in just.
Speaker 9: The last few years, as we've seen.
Speaker 31: WWE and other companies start to position the women in
Speaker 31: the main events. We just saw the women native in
Speaker 31: WrestleMania that you were also on, So just kind of give.
Speaker 6: Me what was going on in your headspace through that period.
Speaker 32: Sure, you know, I think that we have to be
Speaker 32: transparent about where we were at one point in order
Speaker 32: to kind of acknowledge where we are now today. So
Speaker 32: I know that it's hard to kind of talk about
Speaker 32: some of the stuff that was a part of our
Speaker 32: business for a while. But again, like we were talking
Speaker 32: about earlier, that's what put what's in seats at the time,
Speaker 32: that was our brand.
Speaker 24: It was very sexualized.
Speaker 11: I was a part of that.
Speaker 24: You know, I did d this photo shoots and bikinis
Speaker 24: and that.
Speaker 32: But we always myself, I can only speak on my
Speaker 32: own feelings, and I'm sure a lot of the girls
Speaker 32: felt this way too. If I had to do a
Speaker 32: bikini shoot to get an opportunity to have a wrestling
Speaker 32: match down the line or wrestle on a pay per
Speaker 32: view and create a storyliner and angles surrounding a Playboy magazine,
Speaker 32: then I felt like I would be contributing to the
Speaker 32: change somehow. Even if and I know Trisha and I
Speaker 32: had had this top trist Stratus and I had this
Speaker 32: talk too, so tonight and we would have this top
Speaker 32: with that finley if that would say like tonight, you
Speaker 32: have match and it's going to be a gradeable match.
Speaker 24: You're going to be wrestling in mud.
Speaker 32: And he's like, Fus, that doesn't mean it has to
Speaker 32: be He's like, we can make this entertaining. This is
Speaker 32: what we're given, and we can also make them want
Speaker 32: to see.
Speaker 24: More from the women.
Speaker 32: And the thing is, if you care about that products,
Speaker 32: it's going to read and.
Speaker 24: They're going to want to see more. And the bottom line.
Speaker 32: Is we were entertainers, so we were there to entertain
Speaker 32: in whatever job we were given. And I think the
Speaker 32: mentality for all the women was sure, I would much.
Speaker 24: Rather be having a thirty minute, you know, hell.
Speaker 32: At us cell match, or I would much rather be
Speaker 32: featured in an I quit match, you know, a main.
Speaker 24: Event on a pay per view. But this is what
Speaker 24: I had and I'm still going to bring my best.
Speaker 32: So fast forward to today, I think you started getting
Speaker 32: more and more girls that we're wanting to take those
Speaker 32: risks and show that they had more. Plus cultures change
Speaker 32: and it's been helping. You know, I feel like there's
Speaker 32: a shift in culture where we're seeing more women rise
Speaker 32: up as leaders, as stars and superheroes. You know, you
Speaker 32: have Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman, and people are flocking
Speaker 32: to see these movies.
Speaker 24: And like I said earlier, it's not just the women
Speaker 24: saying like we want.
Speaker 32: To see this, it's dad's brothers, sons, you know, males
Speaker 32: are also ready for the change to see women featured more.
Speaker 32: And I got to do to be a part of
Speaker 32: WrestleMania and step back in the ring this year, and
Speaker 32: for me, having had two children and being the age
Speaker 32: that I am, I'm thirty eight years old.
Speaker 24: To have the opportunity to step back in the ring
Speaker 24: and perform with the women that that sort of wasn't.
Speaker 32: Available before having kids and being able to perform, and like,
Speaker 32: roles are changing, the world is changing, and I just
Speaker 32: love seeing that now little girls are going to have
Speaker 32: female superstars to grow up dreaming about, you know, and
Speaker 32: their action figures and video games.
Speaker 24: Which there was but not as prevalent as it is now.
Speaker 32: And all this is really really relevant to me because
Speaker 32: I have two little girls, so I've invested interest in
Speaker 32: making sure that the next generation doesn't see it as like,
Speaker 32: you know, men are in a certain echelon, and women
Speaker 32: are in a certain echelon.
Speaker 24: I just want them to see like superstars.
Speaker 32: And I love that they've done away with separating calling
Speaker 32: it divas and I respect that, but I just love
Speaker 32: that it's superstars across the board. It really gives the
Speaker 32: product of sense of equality, and we're just seeing that
Speaker 32: not only in WWE.
Speaker 24: You know, we're seeing that an impact wrestling. We're seeing it.
Speaker 24: You know, I'm sure AW is.
Speaker 32: Going to be making some some changes in statements to
Speaker 32: represent women positively. And I just I love seeing that
Speaker 32: happen across the board because what it means is for
Speaker 32: my little girls is they're not going.
Speaker 24: To feel a glass seal like previous generations. And I'm very,
Speaker 24: very very proud to have been a part of that.
Speaker 6: I do time for one more questions. Is anybody that
Speaker 6: has a question go ahead that I.
Speaker 24: Haven't heard it?
Speaker 32: Or when I do know that the previous two man
Speaker 32: classics were really successful and everybody was very very happy
Speaker 32: with it, I wouldn't be surprised to see it come back.
Speaker 32: I just haven't heard any I haven't heard any rumblings
Speaker 32: about when that might be, but I would I would expect.
Speaker 7: It to happen.
Speaker 24: You know, we had wonderful feedback and.
Speaker 32: What I wouldn't have given as an indie wrestler to
Speaker 32: have had an opportunity to wrestle on the WWE platform
Speaker 32: Like this is such a cool time and I was
Speaker 32: so happy to see girls that have been working their
Speaker 32: butts off for decades get that chance to be featured
Speaker 32: in WWE.
Speaker 24: So I would expect to see it again.
Speaker 4: It's a short question, so.
Speaker 6: We'll do one more. One more.
Speaker 11: This is it.
Speaker 6: Helping powers?
Speaker 8: Really picks up your.
Speaker 20: Eye right now?
Speaker 24: Like male or female, anybody.
Speaker 32: I mean, I think we're all talking about from the
Speaker 32: male side, We're all talking about will Asprey. I think
Speaker 32: he just brings something so different to the table. He's
Speaker 32: such a classy, humble guy. I think he's I think
Speaker 32: he can do anything he wants you for the rest
Speaker 32: of his life as far as career goes. And I
Speaker 32: know I know she's currently signed an Impact, but I
Speaker 32: really love Jordan Grace. I feel like she's she's really special.
Speaker 32: She has an amazing work ethic. But I also like
Speaker 32: the positive self image that she gives up.
Speaker 24: I think we need more female role models like that.
Speaker 32: They're representative of diverse shape, side eth ethnicity. I want
Speaker 32: to see a culture where little kids watching him see
Speaker 32: a little bit of themselves in somebody on.
Speaker 8: The US, you know.
Speaker 32: And I appreciate that about Jordan, and I look forward
Speaker 32: to seeing where her crew goes.
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