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Speaker 2: Open up to an odyssey, or there's something in the
Speaker 2: woods anado te what you're about to see you or
Speaker 2: something in the woods. Knock in the park con Changer
Speaker 2: by the Omen said, don't go outside. There's something in
Speaker 2: the woods tonight. I hear rim knocking, shaking bushits footprints,
Speaker 2: howlt on my lung. Open up to an odyssey. Something
Speaker 2: in the woods. Thanks for joining me today is spread
Speaker 2: in Alaska. What I've wanted to share with you comes
Speaker 2: from Brad. Brad was a former fishing guy. He worked
Speaker 2: on the Newsgek River, he worked up the Wood River
Speaker 2: up at Electmegig. He He's been all around my old
Speaker 2: stopphing grounds. He reached out last summer. Initially it took
Speaker 2: a while because of his work schedule and stuff. He
Speaker 2: no longer lives in the state, just out of happenstance,
Speaker 2: not particularly because of this incidents, but it took a while.
Speaker 2: I finally was able to pinpoint the area, send him
Speaker 2: some photos from Google Earth, and he guided me into
Speaker 2: the area. A little bit of back and forth. On
Speaker 2: his off time. He went with a buddy. He met
Speaker 2: from a different outfit. They met at the Cnbar in
Speaker 2: Dillingham the season before. There were buddies and they decided
Speaker 2: when they both had time off, they were going to
Speaker 2: go up to McClung River fish for grayling or whatever
Speaker 2: and just get up in their head towards McClung Hills,
Speaker 2: basically just see Alaska, you know what I mean. Because
Speaker 2: they were so client oriented. They're rigging up people's poles
Speaker 2: most of the time, running up and down river, chasing
Speaker 2: king Sam and that kind of stuff. So they were
Speaker 2: going to enjoy some time just to do the fishing
Speaker 2: they wanted to do, which was fly fishing. They get
Speaker 2: up past tide water, well above tide water, closer to
Speaker 2: McClung Hills. When they get there, they had to walk around,
Speaker 2: meaning there was a smaller little tributary creek that fed
Speaker 2: into the McClung where they had stopped, and they hiped
Speaker 2: because the boat wasn't going to get in there. It
Speaker 2: was too many big rocks and things of this nature,
Speaker 2: too shallow water. They had to use a jet unit.
Speaker 2: Just getting to this spot. There was some dead fall.
Speaker 1: In the water.
Speaker 2: There was a beaver dam that was trying to be built.
Speaker 2: They had to fight to get pack up in here.
Speaker 2: They had started earlier in the day, and this is
Speaker 2: into July, still plenty of daylight. For a long time.
Speaker 2: They took a while to get up in. They parked
Speaker 2: this gift and they started hiking. They were both armed,
Speaker 2: had their fly fishing gear and a small little day
Speaker 2: pack with something that heat in it. They packed their
Speaker 2: gear and they walk around in alfier shaped band that
Speaker 2: they get around and they get to the sandbar. Because
Speaker 2: as they were approaching this little gravel bar that they're
Speaker 2: fish off of, you got to understand, this creek has
Speaker 2: pretty high bakes on the sides, not to shear drop,
Speaker 2: nothing overly major in some places, up to seven foot
Speaker 2: or whatever. They heard the first weird noise off it
Speaker 2: the distance. Looked at each other as they were walking,
Speaker 2: was like, I don't know if I guess, we'll see
Speaker 2: if it comes in or whatever. Get further to marker
Speaker 2: number two and that's where they hear weird noises. They said,
Speaker 2: it sounded like someone just making up a language. Real loud,
Speaker 2: not not just gibberish, real real loud in airline. What
Speaker 2: the hell, Maybe there's some locals drunk back up in
Speaker 2: here or something. We're fishing with, no big deal. Everyone's
Speaker 2: been friendly, so nothing to really worry about. They get
Speaker 2: down to where they're gonna start fly fishing. A couple casts,
Speaker 2: you know, they're whipping the line back and forth. And
Speaker 2: from what Brad said, his buddy Leam was down below him,
Speaker 2: and he was a little bit further up on the
Speaker 2: bank higher up again is about three four foot difference.
Speaker 2: So Brad sees something off to his left and he turns,
Speaker 2: and that will be the first sighting. It'll be marked
Speaker 2: on the map. He sees this thing. It's a dark figure.
Speaker 2: It starts moving from his left around in the trees,
Speaker 2: coming around towards which would be directly across from where
Speaker 2: Liam was down below. He gets leaves attended to says, hey,
Speaker 2: there's something big and dark moving in the trees over there.
Speaker 2: Liam's oh, it's probably just to bear. He respools his
Speaker 2: line and he backs up. He's getting over because he
Speaker 2: had taken off his shoulder bolster where he had a
Speaker 2: forty four magnum and set it down on his date
Speaker 2: pack because it was messing with them as he was
Speaker 2: trying to fly fish, was rubbing under his arm and
Speaker 2: it was irritating him, so he had taken it off
Speaker 2: with immediately puts it back on, and this thing circled
Speaker 2: in front of them as they were both standing there
Speaker 2: and it screams at him. They were like, what the
Speaker 2: hell because they could make out a silhouette of something
Speaker 2: large and it was just pitch black in their field
Speaker 2: of view. The sun was in their eyes at that moment,
Speaker 2: so it was just dark. They couldn't make anything out.
Speaker 2: It was just dark, and the way it was right
Speaker 2: by the trees, it was just a dark silhouette. That
Speaker 2: scream happened. Brad said that it felt like it almost
Speaker 2: made him cough from jiggling his lungs with so much force.
Speaker 2: It made him gasp with his breath a little bit
Speaker 2: because of the intensity of it, and he said it
Speaker 2: was one of the loudest things he has heard outside
Speaker 2: of being right next to a runway when a jet
Speaker 2: takes off some high decimals right there. They're startled, though,
Speaker 2: I whooped the hell, so they climber their stuff real quick.
Speaker 2: You gotta understand, it took them an hour and a
Speaker 2: half two hours to get through this brush, following game
Speaker 2: trails and all that, just to get to where they were. Now,
Speaker 2: they start retreating very reserved. They weren't running, They didn't
Speaker 2: want to run. They didn't know what this thing was.
Speaker 2: But it was loud and it was big, and neither
Speaker 2: one of them had Bigfoot harry Man on their mind
Speaker 2: right now. Once they start backing up, they get about
Speaker 2: maybe sixty yards into their retreat in this thing is
Speaker 2: opposite of them, off to their leaftip as they're facing
Speaker 2: this creek right, because they kept hearing noises in the
Speaker 2: brush and Liam's like, it's following us. It's over there,
Speaker 2: it's following us. So they both stop and look, and
Speaker 2: sure enough, it comes out a little bit and that's
Speaker 2: when Liam gets packed with them. Just the smallest little
Speaker 2: pebble just boot hit them center of the chest. Startled
Speaker 2: the shit out of him. He drew his pistol in
Speaker 2: points and it goes back in the trees right, and
Speaker 2: then more rocks start reining in, just landing around the
Speaker 2: little ones, nothing too big. Immediately they were both freaking out.
Speaker 2: Rad says, come on, let's go. They get to move
Speaker 2: it again. They didn't get a whole lot much further,
Speaker 2: just around to the apex of that real tight bend
Speaker 2: there at what I called top of the helf here,
Speaker 2: what about there? And more rocks start reining in. They
Speaker 2: were trying to pinpoint where the rock's coming from, because
Speaker 2: at this point the rocks were coming in real hard
Speaker 2: and real fast. Hitting backpacks hit Rad in the leg.
Speaker 2: He said that it hit his legs so hard he
Speaker 2: still has a hardened nodule under his skin just from
Speaker 2: the impact of it. And he still got a knot
Speaker 2: in the muscle from where this an impacted. So immediately
Speaker 2: it was go time. As far as they were concerned,
Speaker 2: they wanted to shoot this thing, right, He said. It
Speaker 2: wasn't his brightest idea because he had a three fifty seven.
Speaker 2: Liam had that forty four. That's what they had for
Speaker 2: bear protection. They deliberated, maybe you shouldn't shoot. So Liam says,
Speaker 2: I'm going to pop one shot. See what this thing does.
Speaker 2: Because they could see it directly across from them, basically
Speaker 2: on a little pinacle. They see it just swaying, lugging.
Speaker 2: It was staying behind a group with three small trees,
Speaker 2: just barely showing yourself. Every once in a while, Liam
Speaker 2: pops a shot that direg shit just over the top.
Speaker 2: Immediately it disappears, They're like, okay, great, they continue on.
Speaker 2: They're motivated, so they're moving fairly quickly. They get back
Speaker 2: around to where they had parked the skiff. Now, when
Speaker 2: they get back over to the skiff, they were not
Speaker 2: cheery at all. They had started bickering amongst each other
Speaker 2: under stress. They were both under stress, and they started
Speaker 2: nitpicking each other about who was going to drive this,
Speaker 2: that and the third. It was just due to strictly
Speaker 2: the tension in the air that they were just micro
Speaker 2: bickering over nonsense. So Brad ketches it and says, we're
Speaker 2: flashing out of each other man, you can drive, that's fine, whatever. Right,
Speaker 2: So they get to the skiff. Now, understand, on their retreat.
Speaker 2: Throughout the whole time, they are hearing this thing off
Speaker 2: across the creek, breaking stuff, thrashing, making all sorts of
Speaker 2: weird noises. He said, none of them he could attribute
Speaker 2: to a imitation of a sound or anything. It all
Speaker 2: sounded like gibberish and yelling. Intermittently, there'd be like a
Speaker 2: real high pitched whistle that hurt the ear. It was
Speaker 2: so high pitched and strong. That was all random in nature.
Speaker 2: As they were retreating after Liam fired the shot over
Speaker 2: this thing's head. So from what Brad said, when they
Speaker 2: got to the skiff, it looked like it had been
Speaker 2: messed with. There was some impressions in the gravel, but
Speaker 2: they couldn't tell from what they assumed it was from
Speaker 2: this thing or another one, so super high tension. Now
Speaker 2: it wasn't like tipped over anything like that, but it
Speaker 2: had been pulled up further up on out of the beach.
Speaker 2: They were just dumbfounded by it because they had to
Speaker 2: anchor line tight off just barely pulled up because it
Speaker 2: wasn't real fast moving at that point as far as
Speaker 2: the re or. There wasn't a heavy current that was
Speaker 2: just going to whisk it away. So seeing it pulled
Speaker 2: up like that, they're a bit stressed, so they work together. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: keep in mind the whole time there's thrashing and yelling
Speaker 2: going off in the distance, right, So they get it
Speaker 2: pushed back down in. Liam pops in and he's firing
Speaker 2: it up, and that's when a rock hits the skiff.
Speaker 2: Brad was trying to figure out where it was coming
Speaker 2: from because they were raining down at an arc very
Speaker 2: similar to what happened to Daniel and Christopher as far
Speaker 2: as it was coming in like artillery and just landed
Speaker 2: in the skiff lang lang lank. And these were a
Speaker 2: little bit bigger rocks than the ones before. Were, you know,
Speaker 2: anywhere from the size of a cashew to the size
Speaker 2: of a walnut, he said. The one that hit him
Speaker 2: in the leg real hard was about the size of
Speaker 2: a walnut. And these were river rocks. They were smooth.
Speaker 2: So immediately he's like, you know, what the hell. So
Speaker 2: he's following looking back. He has to go around because
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of a lip at the mouth
Speaker 2: of that creek, and he had to get up on
Speaker 2: the rise a little bit to see passed beyond where
Speaker 2: the rocks were coming from. He sees it standing and
Speaker 2: it has no qualms about him seeing it at all.
Speaker 2: It's just looking right at him and just chucking these rocks.
Speaker 2: So he's screwed. This noise. He yells, hey, real loud,
Speaker 2: has his gun in his hand. This thing is just unfazed, unfazed.
Speaker 2: Brad wasn't doing anything. He hears the outboard running. Liam's
Speaker 2: warming it up just a little bit, and as he
Speaker 2: gets back down to push off, another rock hits and
Speaker 2: so He's like, what the hell because the rock that
Speaker 2: landed that time came from off to his right hand side.
Speaker 2: So he's facing the river pushing the skiff off, and
Speaker 2: the rock comes in this way, and that's the direction
Speaker 2: they're going to get back down to the Wood River.
Speaker 2: So his attention is drawn to his right, justifiably so,
Speaker 2: especially with the rock coming in like that. He said
Speaker 2: that when he turned and looked down the ways, there
Speaker 2: was a dark head above the brush that was at
Speaker 2: least seven foot tall as far as what he was guestimating,
Speaker 2: and there was a head above it, and he would
Speaker 2: see the hand the second time it threw something. He
Speaker 2: saw the hand come up over the brush and watched
Speaker 2: the rock come and land right in front of his feet.
Speaker 2: He said, at that point he freaked out. Another rock
Speaker 2: green from the one that was back behind them, hid
Speaker 2: inside the skiff. He pushed off. God In pulled out
Speaker 2: his three fifty seven and was pointing at this thing
Speaker 2: as they were getting up to speed on the step.
Speaker 2: As they were going by, he said, it turned and
Speaker 2: watching them. He said he got a really good look
Speaker 2: at the one that was right there off the edge
Speaker 2: of the river. He said it looked real Neanderthal, very
Speaker 2: k man like, had grayish skin. He couldn't tell if
Speaker 2: it was super wrinkly, but he could see some dark crease, wrinkles, nose,
Speaker 2: flat to the face, real broad jaw, real broad. He said.
Speaker 2: What was weird though, is it looked like it was balding,
Speaker 2: like it had a bald spot. He said. It wasn't
Speaker 2: really crested or anything like that. He said it was rounded,
Speaker 2: but bald. He said, it is the strangest thing. You know,
Speaker 2: he didn't expect, you know, a sasquatch to be bald
Speaker 2: or whatever. Which is I have no clue that. I'm
Speaker 2: no expert, Harriet. It just died. Still stop throwing rocks.
Speaker 2: As he was pointing in that they skiff by now
Speaker 2: they get back down to the Wood River. They get
Speaker 2: Brad back to the outfit he was working at. Liam
Speaker 2: had to take his skiff and go back to his
Speaker 2: outfit or whatever. They just call it quits. Their adventuring
Speaker 2: was done. Brad talks to his boss and he's, I
Speaker 2: need to let you know what we saw at the
Speaker 2: McClung river. They start throwing rocks just that. He tells
Speaker 2: them everything right, and his boss is bullshit he's no,
Speaker 2: this is what happened. He goes, look, you're under contract.
Speaker 2: You got your six pack license, you got this, you
Speaker 2: got that. I need you to operate the skiff that
Speaker 2: you're here for. It sounds like you're trying to back
Speaker 2: out of the contract. And he goes, no, not at all.
Speaker 2: I'm informing you of what we saw over there, and
Speaker 2: the guy's bullshit show me. Then, very reluctantly, Brad agreed.
Speaker 2: He takes his boss at the time back on up there.
Speaker 2: The next day, they go back to the exact same
Speaker 2: spot and there's tracks, there's a lot of gravel, but
Speaker 2: there was a couple of muddy parts where you could
Speaker 2: clearly see a very large bare footprint, not a bear
Speaker 2: like er, but a bare human foot shape print clearly
Speaker 2: in the mud. He said they were at least almost
Speaker 2: twenty inches long, which is a big ass. But his
Speaker 2: boss walks over and is just real arrogant. Because Brad
Speaker 2: never intended on quitting's job. He was like, no, this
Speaker 2: is I'm just informing you. But the way his boss
Speaker 2: acted was very arrogant, very dismissive, just went over and
Speaker 2: stomped on. He goes, that's just a double bear track man,
Speaker 2: You're not going to learn anything by being scared of
Speaker 2: bears out here and this and that, and look, I've
Speaker 2: been doing this for different outfits over the years. I'm
Speaker 2: not unfamiliar with bears. I know what a bear is,
Speaker 2: and I know what we saw wasn't a bear. He
Speaker 2: ends up losing his job because of the arrogance of
Speaker 2: his boss was like, I'm not going to have you
Speaker 2: potentially tainting clients with this non sense, and he had
Speaker 2: no intention of sharing it. Essentially, the guy ends up
Speaker 2: firing him. He fired him on the spot.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And said, once we get back to the lodge, you
Speaker 2: gather up your stuff. I'm taking you to dealing him,
Speaker 2: and you're going to get yourself a flat out of here,
Speaker 2: and you owe me for the flight here because you
Speaker 2: didn't complete your contract. Right at that point, Brad was like,
Speaker 2: loop yours dude, Yeah, go ahead and get me out
Speaker 2: of here. So the guy ends up taking him back
Speaker 2: to doing him the next day because there's some stuff
Speaker 2: going on at the lodge or whatever. So when he
Speaker 2: gets back to doing him, he happened to run into Liam,
Speaker 2: who was at ac Alaska Commercial Market picking up some
Speaker 2: supplies or whatever. Right tells him, hey, dude, I lost
Speaker 2: my John ob or whatever. It so happened that they
Speaker 2: needed another guy. So instead of bailing out like he
Speaker 2: had thought he was going to have to, his buddy, Liam,
Speaker 2: who was with him, got him lined up with the
Speaker 2: outfit he was working for, and he finished the season
Speaker 2: that way. He said he I ever repaid the guy
Speaker 2: for the ticket, told him to get bent. I want
Speaker 2: to thank them for reaching out. I did not get
Speaker 2: a chance to speak to Liam. It's been a while
Speaker 2: since Brad has had contact with them. This experience happened
Speaker 2: to them about fifteen years ago. I want to thank
Speaker 2: you Brad for sharing that. It took a while to
Speaker 2: get the mapping right. This area of the McClung, just
Speaker 2: north of Dillingham up the Wood River. The mouth of
Speaker 2: the McClung is in a title zone, but once you
Speaker 2: get past that, it's all fresh water going back towards
Speaker 2: McClung Hills, which would be north northeast roughly his rugged remote,
Speaker 2: very large bears, very big bears going through there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's where the elderly couple saw the bushmen as they
Speaker 2: call it, that jumped across into the water, and John,
Speaker 2: who shared his experiences with us from Fairbanks on down,
Speaker 2: he pointed out that they were freaked out he saw
Speaker 2: the wet tracks on the gravel leading away. Just be
Speaker 2: aware out there because they're not behind every tree. However,
Speaker 2: it's very random in nature and you just never know.
Speaker 2: There's been plenty of people. I've been hunting the same
Speaker 2: spot forty years and been one twenty minute experience and
Speaker 2: they don't even hunt any moment. So for those seeking
Speaker 2: this kind of encounter, good luck. You gotta be careful
Speaker 2: what you wish for because you just may get it.
Speaker 2: I wanted to share with you today comes from Priscilla.
Speaker 2: Priscilla self proclaimed tag along on what happened mid nineties,
Speaker 2: very traumatic situation of how things played out. She tagged
Speaker 2: along to basically help with everything around camp. She was
Speaker 2: just participating in someone else's adventure. We'll leave it at that.
Speaker 2: So what ends up happening is that Lake Beverly hard
Speaker 2: Luck Bay. I've been to that area. It is fricking
Speaker 2: beyond beautiful, gorgeous area, clear water down to the bottom,
Speaker 2: just gorgeous. It's hard to put into words how beautiful
Speaker 2: it is out there. She's on adventure status. She's going
Speaker 2: along for the ride, tag along, right. She was in
Speaker 2: her mid twenties, very adventurous at that time. It changed
Speaker 2: because of this. So where they end up. They parked
Speaker 2: the skiff and they set up camp. The total of
Speaker 2: six people. A couple of them are doing a work
Speaker 2: related part of their trip where they happen to count
Speaker 2: salmon hatchlings and other stuff. So they go up creeks
Speaker 2: and into bogs and they dip in it and they
Speaker 2: measure the fish and the species and so on. She
Speaker 2: was just tagging along while they were doing their stuff.
Speaker 2: A couple people at stayed of camp, and a group
Speaker 2: of four she was included. Go up this creek on
Speaker 2: the map, you'll see a number one. That is where
Speaker 2: they stopped the first day and there was some study
Speaker 2: done and the rainforced them back to camp day two.
Speaker 2: Number two. You'll see the blue dot further up the creek,
Speaker 2: and you'll see a couple of red dots. I'll get
Speaker 2: to that in a second. So day two of this
Speaker 2: adventure she tagged along for. She ended up carrying some
Speaker 2: buckets and other equipment for the two guys that were
Speaker 2: doing their thing. Her older brother was off her left
Speaker 2: hand shoulder, and the two guys doing their job were
Speaker 2: in front of them. Her brother was basically a chaperone
Speaker 2: bear protection so on. He had a shotgun and his handgun.
Speaker 2: She had brought along a handgun, even though it was
Speaker 2: a twenty two revolver. She felt safe. So they get
Speaker 2: back up in there and right where that lake comes
Speaker 2: to this little creek, this little fear creek. There at
Speaker 2: that time there was the beginnings of a beaver dam,
Speaker 2: and that the two guys that they were with, they
Speaker 2: tore the beginnings of it apart in the water start
Speaker 2: flowing and all that kind of stuff. So they sat
Speaker 2: back for a little while and just watching the guys
Speaker 2: do their stuff. They're dipping this net into the water.
Speaker 2: They're scooping out, catching a few here few the area.
Speaker 2: It was real slow going. If it wasn't for the
Speaker 2: beauty of the scenery, they would have been bored to tears.
Speaker 2: But she was seeing stuff she never seen before, the
Speaker 2: different species of trees and so on. She said, they're
Speaker 2: about fifty sixty feet from the mouth of this little
Speaker 2: creek where it's fed from this larger pond, small lake.
Speaker 2: She said. They got bored watching these guys and decided
Speaker 2: they're going to go up to the lake and look
Speaker 2: around because it was just crystal clear water, had a
Speaker 2: bluish hit to it, that bluish greens view just gorgeous.
Speaker 2: And they get over there and that's when they see
Speaker 2: the two sasquashed, the two harry Man across that lake,
Speaker 2: and they're looking right back at them. Immediately, the older
Speaker 2: brother knew to get down. He knew that there's Harryman
Speaker 2: over there, and we got to not be here. Smart guy,
Speaker 2: no sense in taking a risk. One of the workers
Speaker 2: that they were accompanying there with they get their attention
Speaker 2: because these two guys were in the biology field. They
Speaker 2: start pointing. They start telling them, hey, look over there.
Speaker 2: The guy's look and they're just like, oh, probably just
Speaker 2: some fishermen. They were really dismissive initially, well that's just
Speaker 2: other people, no big deal, it doesn't affect our study.
Speaker 2: Their mind wasn't on what Priscilla and her brother were
Speaker 2: trying to convey to them until the screams went down,
Speaker 2: and immediately all eyes were that direction, right. The screams have,
Speaker 2: and that's when the two disappear into the trees on
Speaker 2: either side of this pond, this small lake off to
Speaker 2: the right, one off to the left. They disappeared. They
Speaker 2: could hear these things coming through the trees. There was
Speaker 2: loud whoops, There were stuff being thrown out into the
Speaker 2: water as they were coming, branches breaking, trees shaking, just
Speaker 2: chaotic noise echoing down through loud as hell. She said.
Speaker 2: It went from dead quiet to an orchestra playing just loud.
Speaker 2: It was very powerful, all the different whoops and screams
Speaker 2: and whatnot. So immediately everyone's puckered up right. Her brother
Speaker 2: on shouldered the shotgun and they start moving back, keeping
Speaker 2: an eye at the chaos coming their way. They weren't
Speaker 2: seeing much during that point, just a lot of noise,
Speaker 2: and the noise was coming towards them as they're backing away.
Speaker 2: She said, they must have gotten maybe one hundred feet
Speaker 2: by that point. These two things were on opposite sides
Speaker 2: of where they were just standing. They were on their
Speaker 2: end of the lake where they were in the fish
Speaker 2: study going on, and then they commenced to following them.
Speaker 2: They're retreating back out of there. Every once in a while,
Speaker 2: there's rocks landing biome, there's pine combs landing biome. Most
Speaker 2: of the vocalizations fell off, she said, once they were
Speaker 2: on the retreat. Understand, this retreat is not just like
Speaker 2: you're walking down a bike path and get along real easy. No,
Speaker 2: this is thick underbrush, thick grass. You're not just traveling
Speaker 2: real easily through this shit. You got on hip waiters.
Speaker 2: You're going through mucky, marshy stuff, and especially trying to
Speaker 2: do it quickly. You're falling a lot, You're tripping over stuff.
Speaker 2: It's panic riddled. They're trying to flee perceive very dangerous situation.
Speaker 2: She said. The further they got back away from that lake,
Speaker 2: the less they were seeing these things and hearing them
Speaker 2: off to both sides of them, on their left and
Speaker 2: right just behind them. They're hearing the noises periodically and
Speaker 2: every once in a while when they'd slow down, and
Speaker 2: that's when the rocks would rain down, one or two,
Speaker 2: sometimes a pine, sometimes a stick would come flinging by.
Speaker 2: Basically they were being ushered out. That's what I pick
Speaker 2: up from it. These things easily could have overtaken them.
Speaker 2: They got to a point to where they were initially
Speaker 2: once they were getting closer back to the lake shore.
Speaker 2: She said that they were cut off at one point
Speaker 2: because one of these things was on their back trail
Speaker 2: and had gone room. Then quietly unbeknounced to them and
Speaker 2: got in front of them, and they all saw it
Speaker 2: peeking out from behind this tree, just watching them. And
Speaker 2: again she said, they couldn't really make out the faces
Speaker 2: because of how they were positioned, the daylight and everything.
Speaker 2: They couldn't really make out the face very clearly. However,
Speaker 2: the mannerisms was one, she said of curiosity her brother.
Speaker 2: When the one got in front of them as they
Speaker 2: were retreating, he leveled the gun at it, and then
Speaker 2: they heard it tear off, made some weird noises like
Speaker 2: a gargling sound, and some whoops and some chirps, real loud,
Speaker 2: sharp whistles, and some other stuff as it took off
Speaker 2: going up towards that little mountain right next to that lake.
Speaker 2: Once that happened, they immediately picked up their pace because
Speaker 2: the trail got a little easier the ground was a
Speaker 2: little harder. There they got onto the beach. They ended
Speaker 2: up walking along the beach quietly and slowly because the
Speaker 2: one that initially scared off when he leveled the gun
Speaker 2: at it. They could hear it was either that one
Speaker 2: or another one had crossed and joined him or whatever.
Speaker 2: But they heard breaking trees, she said. It was some
Speaker 2: of the loudest stuff. They sounded so close to them,
Speaker 2: like a tree was just at any moment fall over
Speaker 2: right on them. Even though that's unreasonable to think that
Speaker 2: a tree one hundred feet back from the shoreline's going
Speaker 2: to break onto you. But it was just panic stricken, right,
Speaker 2: she said. The day before when they got back to
Speaker 2: break camp because they weren't going to stay, it was chaos.
Speaker 2: Everything was thrown into the tent, didn't matter. But one
Speaker 2: of the guys was dragging the tin full of stuff
Speaker 2: over to the skiff. The tint tore. It was like
Speaker 2: a circus, right, So they scrambled, they get everything into
Speaker 2: the skiff. They end up firing up the skiff and
Speaker 2: they take off from and the guys, once they're feeling
Speaker 2: more safe out on the water away from shore, they said,
Speaker 2: let's circle back. Let's see if we can see them
Speaker 2: out in the open. They circled a few times and
Speaker 2: saw nothing. At one point, just as they're getting ready
Speaker 2: to leave, they noticed a dark spot way up on
Speaker 2: that mountain, which was right there. You can't tell from
Speaker 2: the topographical but it's right there in your face when
Speaker 2: you're at that beach, it's right there. And they saw
Speaker 2: one of them going up that and they just cut
Speaker 2: out from there. One of the things she also shared
Speaker 2: was she learned that these guys that they were with,
Speaker 2: one of them actually had a camcorder and recorded some
Speaker 2: of this interaction this retreat. She said she found out
Speaker 2: through her brother, because her brother was tight with those guys.
Speaker 2: They lost their job, the reason being that the footage
Speaker 2: was confiscated, their notes, everything done to document what they
Speaker 2: were experiencing. They turned it in, Hey, we need to
Speaker 2: change the study kind of deal. They were fired for
Speaker 2: not completing the contract they had signed to do this study.
Speaker 2: So they didn't complete the project that they signed up
Speaker 2: for because of this circumstance that they're like, hey, look
Speaker 2: at this, and they use that against them to basically
Speaker 2: push them up. I don't know what the endgame is
Speaker 2: with that, those in power stamping out any sign of evidence.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's fear, I don't know if
Speaker 2: there's a protocol involved. I just don't know, but it's
Speaker 2: messed up to say the least. To use an experience
Speaker 2: against somebody as an excuse to fire them is just
Speaker 2: jackeda I'm going to thank Priscilla for sharing. Priscilla has
Speaker 2: a very severe fear of the woods, so much so
Speaker 2: that she can't go by a city park without looking
Speaker 2: for a harry Man peaking at her. She no longer
Speaker 2: lives in Alaska. She moved away decades ago because of
Speaker 2: this particular instance. One of the things she shared that
Speaker 2: caused her so much fear was she could tell they
Speaker 2: were watching her and not the guys. The only time
Speaker 2: she felt like one of them had their attention on
Speaker 2: the guy was when her brother leveled the shotgun at
Speaker 2: it and it left left their view into the trees.
Speaker 2: She said, the whole time, from spotting them across the lake,
Speaker 2: them coming around and then retreating out of there, all
Speaker 2: to when they were loading up the skiff, she felt
Speaker 2: watched and she felt like she was their focus. And
Speaker 2: she said, she doesn't know how, she just felt it
Speaker 2: in her spirit, and it scared the living hell out
Speaker 2: of her, and she sore off the woods from that
Speaker 2: point forward. When she ended up getting back to Anchorage
Speaker 2: after that trip, she said it was less than a week,
Speaker 2: which she tidied up all her loose ends and went
Speaker 2: back to her home state. I want to thank her
Speaker 2: for reaching out and being patient with the back and
Speaker 2: forth on the phones. I know it was a little
Speaker 2: annoying because it's hard to relive some of those things
Speaker 2: because you get brought right back into the moment. So
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I appreciate your efforts. I talked to
Speaker 2: the people a bunch of different times to get their information.
Speaker 2: If they're willing to share themselves, then by bringing them
Speaker 2: on and they share. If they're not willing to share,
Speaker 2: I share for them. Vicariously, it's a little too cold
Speaker 2: to be out in the Tahoe, so I got to
Speaker 2: tolerate potentially my dog's getting in my basement a snow.
Speaker 2: Big deal. What I'm sharing with you today comes pre statehood,
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven, to be exact. What Herbie shared with me.
Speaker 2: It was really rough for him because he was ten
Speaker 2: years old at the time. He was from the village
Speaker 2: he's from, which he didn't want to get into or whatever.
Speaker 2: He had to leave due to his father's alcoholism. After
Speaker 2: World War Two, he gets sent off to his uncle's
Speaker 2: house which he lived with his at and uncle through
Speaker 2: high school and stuff. They lived in what is now
Speaker 2: near what's known as I Did a Rod. It wasn't
Speaker 2: the name of the place back then. When he gets there.
Speaker 2: It was a rough transition because he went from rough
Speaker 2: ki stuff to stability, which was hard for him to
Speaker 2: get used to. From what he was saying, but one
Speaker 2: of the things he enjoyed is his uncle enjoyed getting
Speaker 2: out into the woods, love to adventure. His uncle had
Speaker 2: gotten back from doing chores with his older cousin, which
Speaker 2: was fourteen. His uncle just got done talking to a
Speaker 2: neighbor about something to do with some rocks he suspected
Speaker 2: potentially a gold claim or something like that. Just really
Speaker 2: random in nature. But it was an adventure. His uncle
Speaker 2: was all for trying to get a leg up, go
Speaker 2: gold mining or whatever, look for gold, peter whatever. Again,
Speaker 2: he's ten years old, and so he's getting bits and
Speaker 2: pieces of it and doesn't truly understand what's going on.
Speaker 2: Where they were was south of where I Did Rod
Speaker 2: is now. He said when they left, him and his
Speaker 2: cousin were the worker bees. That's pretty standard stuff. As
Speaker 2: Native kids. You're doing the word.
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Speaker 2: So him and his cousin loaded up the skiff. The
Speaker 2: skiff was like a twenty foot real narrow all handmade,
Speaker 2: and it had an old car motor for the motor
Speaker 2: in it just slapped together, but it worked, and his
Speaker 2: uncle was proud of his contraption and use it anytime
Speaker 2: he could outside of wintertime. From what he said, they
Speaker 2: left and it wasn't all that long that it took
Speaker 2: to travel to this spot. They stopped a couple places
Speaker 2: and set a net for whitefish, just to have food
Speaker 2: on the trip because his uncle only brought some beans
Speaker 2: and stuff. They get to where they were going to
Speaker 2: walk along this bluff. According to what he was saying,
Speaker 2: his uncle's friend neighbor told him along that bluff he
Speaker 2: had found some gold nuggets. If he was really wanting
Speaker 2: to try to get a leg up to go there,
Speaker 2: and that's the place to go, right His uncle's just
Speaker 2: going on a whim basically, Hey, yeah, just go on.
Speaker 2: In adventure was just getting into fall. The leaves are
Speaker 2: starting to turn in everything, and so Chris morning the
Speaker 2: first morning after they set up camp for the first
Speaker 2: few days. It was no problem. They were going approximately
Speaker 2: maybe a thousand and fifteen hundred feet from their camp,
Speaker 2: walking along this bluff, just stopping periodically and checking out
Speaker 2: the ground, seeing how much overburden there was, how much
Speaker 2: dirt on top, and basically just digging around seeing if
Speaker 2: they find quartz or any other kind of leading rocks. Right, So,
Speaker 2: he said he was just doing his thing, being a kid.
Speaker 2: He's ten years old. He's looking at the birds. He's
Speaker 2: doing kid stuff. He had a little twenty two for
Speaker 2: shooting spruce grouse or maybe a rabbit or something like that,
Speaker 2: because again they only brought some beans and so they
Speaker 2: only caught a few white fish on the way down. Basically,
Speaker 2: his uncle tells him, I'm going to be digging around
Speaker 2: you and your cousin. You guys shoot spruce chickens or whatever.
Speaker 2: Make sure we have something at the end of every
Speaker 2: day to eat. So he was doing his thing. He
Speaker 2: said it was about three days into this that early
Speaker 2: in the morning he had gotten up he had to
Speaker 2: use the restaurant outside. When he got up, he heard
Speaker 2: a howling way off in the distance. He just figured wolves,
Speaker 2: no big deal, there's wolves around. At that time, his
Speaker 2: uncle was getting up and heard the wolves too. He's
Speaker 2: going back into this makeshift shelter. I wouldn't call it
Speaker 2: a tent, old school canvas tark. His uncle had made
Speaker 2: a little portable wood stove out of some old small
Speaker 2: oil can of some kind. He said, it had to
Speaker 2: have been like a twenty gallon twenty ish gallon oil can.
Speaker 2: But his uncle had fabricated him a little wood stove
Speaker 2: right and used some old exhaust pipe from a vehicle
Speaker 2: for the stove pipe. Again, uncle was all about making
Speaker 2: stuff hisself, so everything was improvised. He's in there feeding
Speaker 2: this stove and his uncle comes back in, and it
Speaker 2: was Kirby's job to basically cook breakfast, get breakfast going
Speaker 2: once they got there. They had always had beans on
Speaker 2: the stove, so there was always beans ready. It's just
Speaker 2: what we're having with the beans kind of thing. He
Speaker 2: gets dressed and he goes out looking for spruce chickens.
Speaker 2: He's unsuccessful. He comes back because they're about to start
Speaker 2: this work day where they're basically adventuring checking out the area.
Speaker 2: They got to a spot further down the bluff, the
Speaker 2: furthest they've gotten from camp. That's when it was mid morning,
Speaker 2: and they heard the loudest howling he said he had
Speaker 2: ever heard in his life, a wolf howl. He said
Speaker 2: it sounded like a wolf on a bullhorn. It was
Speaker 2: very powerful, very loud, and immediately him and his cousin
Speaker 2: were scared. Now, his cousin's fourteen, just a few years older,
Speaker 2: but of course a little bigger. At that age. His
Speaker 2: cousin had a thirty out six rifle. He had his
Speaker 2: little twenty two, and his uncle also had a thirty
Speaker 2: out six rifle. Always had him with them because there's
Speaker 2: bears out there. So the digging, and grant you, this
Speaker 2: wasn't full blown mining. They were just digging a little bit,
Speaker 2: checking the area. That it was an adventure. It wasn't
Speaker 2: like a full blown mining program, you know. They were
Speaker 2: just out there to check it out. He said. His uncle,
Speaker 2: once the howling stopped, tells the boys, gather up your stuff. Well,
Speaker 2: the boys, all they were carrying was one shovel. He
Speaker 2: had a small pick, their firearms, and a couple extra
Speaker 2: ammo in their pockets. But his uncle was so focused
Speaker 2: he was telling them, basically, have your stuff together, we
Speaker 2: gotta go. Him and his cousin did not see what
Speaker 2: his uncle initially saw because he was looking up the
Speaker 2: bank off to the right, just off away from them
Speaker 2: from the where that sound was originating. They're ready to go,
Speaker 2: They tell them, hey, yeah, we're good to go. Uncle
Speaker 2: starts telling them to walk back. Start walking back. Now
Speaker 2: they get about ten feet, Herbie said, that's when a
Speaker 2: few rocks pom hit the ground real hard. He said
Speaker 2: they had to been thrown with force near Looking around,
Speaker 2: and his uncle says run. So they're confused. He said,
Speaker 2: run the kayak. Run, there's a jakaya cup. There a monster. Right.
Speaker 2: They take off running because at this point this thing
Speaker 2: was just above them on the bluff. They didn't see
Speaker 2: it initially. So they're retreating back to their camp, which
Speaker 2: again thousand feet a little more, not that far, and
Speaker 2: the big scheme of things because they're running, they were
Speaker 2: up on a little shelf that was up a little
Speaker 2: higher than the river before the bluff started. They're going
Speaker 2: along and all they had to go by was game trails,
Speaker 2: old game trails and whatnot. It wasn't a well traveled area.
Speaker 2: They're busting through and once they got about half the
Speaker 2: distance from where the initial rock throwing started, that's when
Speaker 2: he heard his uncle firing bam bam. He said he
Speaker 2: unloaded his rifle because when they heard the shots they
Speaker 2: turned around to look. They couldn't see what his uncle
Speaker 2: was firing the rounds right, he shot four or five times,
Speaker 2: had the bolt open on his thirty out six, and
Speaker 2: he's telling them run get the camp, and he's reloading
Speaker 2: his rifle. They get about half the distance from where
Speaker 2: his uncle started shooting the first time, and more shots
Speaker 2: pop off. After the second volley of gunfire, they heard
Speaker 2: this hillacious screaming. He said. It sounded like a demon
Speaker 2: coming out of the woods. That's when him and his
Speaker 2: cousin first got a look at the harry Man. He
Speaker 2: said it was real lanky and skinny. It was very tall,
Speaker 2: but it looked weird because it looked like its torso
Speaker 2: was the longest part, along with his arms, and his
Speaker 2: legs didn't seem to be all that long from their
Speaker 2: vantage point, so he, being so young, didn't understand. He
Speaker 2: wasn't understanding what he was seeing at the time. He
Speaker 2: said he was really confused because to him it looked
Speaker 2: like a skinny man in a fur coat, and he
Speaker 2: didn't know why his uncle was trying to shoot this
Speaker 2: skinny man in a fur coat. He at the time,
Speaker 2: being ten, he knew it was large, but he didn't
Speaker 2: realize how large. They get back to camp and the
Speaker 2: screamings going on, still just off out of sight, and
Speaker 2: the uncles keep in watch, and they're trying to get
Speaker 2: everything done, unpacked all that stuff. The stove was still
Speaker 2: hot from the morning, so him and his cousin drug
Speaker 2: it outside. They dump all the coals out of it
Speaker 2: and set it off to the side and kind of
Speaker 2: stomp on all the coals that were left, just to
Speaker 2: get them out of the way, and they start taking
Speaker 2: down this canvas tarp that they had set up. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: the whole time, his uncle's telling them to hurry, cut
Speaker 2: the lines. Don't save the rope, just cut the lines.
Speaker 2: Get our stuff. He's ten, cousin fourteen. They're doing their damnedest.
Speaker 2: His uncle was always kind, always quick to laugh, like
Speaker 2: to joke around. Wasn't a mean guy, but he was
Speaker 2: very serious. You hurry up, hurry, first time he heard
Speaker 2: his uncle cuss yelling at him to move their asses,
Speaker 2: to get the shit and get moving. They gather it up.
Speaker 2: At some point his uncle turns around and it gives
Speaker 2: them instruction on what to bring lead the take this,
Speaker 2: take that, and leave this stuff. I'll get it later
Speaker 2: or whatever. So they end up leaving that canvas tarp
Speaker 2: and a couple other things, nothing too major, a kerosene
Speaker 2: lamp or something. They grabbed the most important stuff. Him
Speaker 2: and his cousin are going along back down to the skiff.
Speaker 2: The uncle's right there watching Meanwhile. This whole time, this
Speaker 2: harry Man's just out of sight, screaming, breaking stuff periodically.
Speaker 2: Grass dumps and stuff would fly by, just demonic sounds
Speaker 2: that he had never heard before, and it really freaked
Speaker 2: him out. They get down to the skiff, and at
Speaker 2: that point they're getting the stuff in the skiff, and
Speaker 2: his cousin has to keep watch while his uncle fires
Speaker 2: up that homemade contraption of a motor. It was an
Speaker 2: old motor out of a car. It flooded a lot,
Speaker 2: It had its problems, right, So the uncle sat there
Speaker 2: for almost an hour, cousin keeping an eye out. Uncle
Speaker 2: was real nervous looking around all the time. Finally got
Speaker 2: it started and they got out of there. One thing
Speaker 2: that Herbie said that he'll never forget is when he
Speaker 2: saw it as they were leaving the river bank. They
Speaker 2: weren't doing anything. This thing started chucking rocks, dangerously, chucking
Speaker 2: rocks at them. He found out later that the two
Speaker 2: rocks that impacted him and his cousin were almost hit
Speaker 2: by these rocks. They were kids. They weren't paying attention
Speaker 2: to up the hill. They were paying attention to the
Speaker 2: path that they had to take, and the rocks just
Speaker 2: came in just behind them both and they hurt him impact,
Speaker 2: But he found that out later. He didn't realize how
Speaker 2: much danger they were in until the shots fired, and
Speaker 2: he said the expression on this think's face was just
Speaker 2: one of hate. He said he never he's dealt with
Speaker 2: hate in his life, and he's never seen that kind
Speaker 2: of scowl. He said, this creature had real like complexion,
Speaker 2: almost like a white man. However, the difference being is
Speaker 2: the shape of the head was different. Real big head,
Speaker 2: real white jaw, real big nose, bulbous at the tip.
Speaker 2: That was the things that stood out the most to him.
Speaker 2: The eyes. He said, he saw nothing but blackness. He
Speaker 2: couldn't make out the eyes. Again. This comes from approximately
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven, pre statehood. He said that once they
Speaker 2: got back to the village, his uncle had a powwow
Speaker 2: with his friend and some other stuff. He said it
Speaker 2: was like a week later they attempted him and his
Speaker 2: friend and a couple other adults, not kids this time
Speaker 2: had gone back and from what he heard, there was
Speaker 2: nothing left of the type. It was shred to bits.
Speaker 2: Whatever else was there was just destroyed. I want to
Speaker 2: thank herby for having the patients. Thank you to his
Speaker 2: granddaughter for helping him, because hey, he's not hyptotechnology, far
Speaker 2: less than me, and I'm not very good at it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate his patience. I want to thank his granddaughter.
Speaker 2: She knows who she is, Herbie. I appreciate you sharing
Speaker 2: that with us. Thank you guys for joining me. We
Speaker 2: will catch you guys on the next one.
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