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<v Speaker 2>Open up to an odyssey, or there's something in the

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<v Speaker 2>woods anado te what you're about to see you or

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<v Speaker 2>something in the woods. Knock in the park con Changer

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<v Speaker 2>by the Omen said, don't go outside. There's something in

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<v Speaker 2>the woods tonight. I hear rim knocking, shaking bushits footprints,

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<v Speaker 2>howlt on my lung. Open up to an odyssey. Something

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<v Speaker 2>in the woods. Thanks for joining me today is spread

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<v Speaker 2>in Alaska. What I've wanted to share with you comes

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<v Speaker 2>from Brad. Brad was a former fishing guy. He worked

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<v Speaker 2>on the Newsgek River, he worked up the Wood River

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<v Speaker 2>up at Electmegig. He He's been all around my old

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<v Speaker 2>stopphing grounds. He reached out last summer. Initially it took

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<v Speaker 2>a while because of his work schedule and stuff. He

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<v Speaker 2>no longer lives in the state, just out of happenstance,

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<v Speaker 2>not particularly because of this incidents, but it took a while.

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<v Speaker 2>I finally was able to pinpoint the area, send him

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<v Speaker 2>some photos from Google Earth, and he guided me into

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<v Speaker 2>the area. A little bit of back and forth. On

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<v Speaker 2>his off time. He went with a buddy. He met

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<v Speaker 2>from a different outfit. They met at the Cnbar in

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<v Speaker 2>Dillingham the season before. There were buddies and they decided

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<v Speaker 2>when they both had time off, they were going to

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<v Speaker 2>go up to McClung River fish for grayling or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>and just get up in their head towards McClung Hills,

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<v Speaker 2>basically just see Alaska, you know what I mean. Because

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<v Speaker 2>they were so client oriented. They're rigging up people's poles

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<v Speaker 2>most of the time, running up and down river, chasing

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<v Speaker 2>king Sam and that kind of stuff. So they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to enjoy some time just to do the fishing

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to do, which was fly fishing. They get

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<v Speaker 2>up past tide water, well above tide water, closer to

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<v Speaker 2>McClung Hills. When they get there, they had to walk around,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning there was a smaller little tributary creek that fed

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<v Speaker 2>into the McClung where they had stopped, and they hiped

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<v Speaker 2>because the boat wasn't going to get in there. It

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<v Speaker 2>was too many big rocks and things of this nature,

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<v Speaker 2>too shallow water. They had to use a jet unit.

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<v Speaker 2>Just getting to this spot. There was some dead fall.

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<v Speaker 1>In the water.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a beaver dam that was trying to be built.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to fight to get pack up in here.

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<v Speaker 2>They had started earlier in the day, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>into July, still plenty of daylight. For a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>They took a while to get up in. They parked

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<v Speaker 2>this gift and they started hiking. They were both armed,

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<v Speaker 2>had their fly fishing gear and a small little day

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<v Speaker 2>pack with something that heat in it. They packed their

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<v Speaker 2>gear and they walk around in alfier shaped band that

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<v Speaker 2>they get around and they get to the sandbar. Because

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<v Speaker 2>as they were approaching this little gravel bar that they're

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<v Speaker 2>fish off of, you got to understand, this creek has

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<v Speaker 2>pretty high bakes on the sides, not to shear drop,

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<v Speaker 2>nothing overly major in some places, up to seven foot

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. They heard the first weird noise off it

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<v Speaker 2>the distance. Looked at each other as they were walking,

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I don't know if I guess, we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>if it comes in or whatever. Get further to marker

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<v Speaker 2>number two and that's where they hear weird noises. They said,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounded like someone just making up a language. Real loud,

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<v Speaker 2>not not just gibberish, real real loud in airline. What

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<v Speaker 2>the hell, Maybe there's some locals drunk back up in

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<v Speaker 2>here or something. We're fishing with, no big deal. Everyone's

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<v Speaker 2>been friendly, so nothing to really worry about. They get

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<v Speaker 2>down to where they're gonna start fly fishing. A couple casts,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're whipping the line back and forth. And

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<v Speaker 2>from what Brad said, his buddy Leam was down below him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was a little bit further up on the

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<v Speaker 2>bank higher up again is about three four foot difference.

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<v Speaker 2>So Brad sees something off to his left and he turns,

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<v Speaker 2>and that will be the first sighting. It'll be marked

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<v Speaker 2>on the map. He sees this thing. It's a dark figure.

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<v Speaker 2>It starts moving from his left around in the trees,

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<v Speaker 2>coming around towards which would be directly across from where

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<v Speaker 2>Liam was down below. He gets leaves attended to says, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something big and dark moving in the trees over there.

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<v Speaker 2>Liam's oh, it's probably just to bear. He respools his

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<v Speaker 2>line and he backs up. He's getting over because he

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<v Speaker 2>had taken off his shoulder bolster where he had a

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<v Speaker 2>forty four magnum and set it down on his date

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<v Speaker 2>pack because it was messing with them as he was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to fly fish, was rubbing under his arm and

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<v Speaker 2>it was irritating him, so he had taken it off

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<v Speaker 2>with immediately puts it back on, and this thing circled

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<v Speaker 2>in front of them as they were both standing there

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<v Speaker 2>and it screams at him. They were like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>hell because they could make out a silhouette of something

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<v Speaker 2>large and it was just pitch black in their field

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<v Speaker 2>of view. The sun was in their eyes at that moment,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was just dark. They couldn't make anything out.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just dark, and the way it was right

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<v Speaker 2>by the trees, it was just a dark silhouette. That

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<v Speaker 2>scream happened. Brad said that it felt like it almost

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<v Speaker 2>made him cough from jiggling his lungs with so much force.

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<v Speaker 2>It made him gasp with his breath a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>because of the intensity of it, and he said it

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<v Speaker 2>was one of the loudest things he has heard outside

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<v Speaker 2>of being right next to a runway when a jet

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<v Speaker 2>takes off some high decimals right there. They're startled, though,

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<v Speaker 2>I whooped the hell, so they climber their stuff real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta understand, it took them an hour and a

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<v Speaker 2>half two hours to get through this brush, following game

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<v Speaker 2>trails and all that, just to get to where they were. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>they start retreating very reserved. They weren't running, They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to run. They didn't know what this thing was.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was loud and it was big, and neither

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<v Speaker 2>one of them had Bigfoot harry Man on their mind

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Once they start backing up, they get about

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<v Speaker 2>maybe sixty yards into their retreat in this thing is

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<v Speaker 2>opposite of them, off to their leaftip as they're facing

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<v Speaker 2>this creek right, because they kept hearing noises in the

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<v Speaker 2>brush and Liam's like, it's following us. It's over there,

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<v Speaker 2>it's following us. So they both stop and look, and

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<v Speaker 2>sure enough, it comes out a little bit and that's

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<v Speaker 2>when Liam gets packed with them. Just the smallest little

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<v Speaker 2>pebble just boot hit them center of the chest. Startled

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<v Speaker 2>the shit out of him. He drew his pistol in

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<v Speaker 2>points and it goes back in the trees right, and

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<v Speaker 2>then more rocks start reining in, just landing around the

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<v Speaker 2>little ones, nothing too big. Immediately they were both freaking out.

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<v Speaker 2>Rad says, come on, let's go. They get to move

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<v Speaker 2>it again. They didn't get a whole lot much further,

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<v Speaker 2>just around to the apex of that real tight bend

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<v Speaker 2>there at what I called top of the helf here,

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<v Speaker 2>what about there? And more rocks start reining in. They

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to pinpoint where the rock's coming from, because

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<v Speaker 2>at this point the rocks were coming in real hard

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<v Speaker 2>and real fast. Hitting backpacks hit Rad in the leg.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that it hit his legs so hard he

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<v Speaker 2>still has a hardened nodule under his skin just from

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<v Speaker 2>the impact of it. And he still got a knot

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<v Speaker 2>in the muscle from where this an impacted. So immediately

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<v Speaker 2>it was go time. As far as they were concerned,

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to shoot this thing, right, He said. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't his brightest idea because he had a three fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>Liam had that forty four. That's what they had for

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<v Speaker 2>bear protection. They deliberated, maybe you shouldn't shoot. So Liam says,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to pop one shot. See what this thing does.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they could see it directly across from them, basically

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<v Speaker 2>on a little pinacle. They see it just swaying, lugging.

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<v Speaker 2>It was staying behind a group with three small trees,

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<v Speaker 2>just barely showing yourself. Every once in a while, Liam

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<v Speaker 2>pops a shot that direg shit just over the top.

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<v Speaker 2>Immediately it disappears, They're like, okay, great, they continue on.

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<v Speaker 2>They're motivated, so they're moving fairly quickly. They get back

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<v Speaker 2>around to where they had parked the skiff. Now, when

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<v Speaker 2>they get back over to the skiff, they were not

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<v Speaker 2>cheery at all. They had started bickering amongst each other

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<v Speaker 2>under stress. They were both under stress, and they started

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<v Speaker 2>nitpicking each other about who was going to drive this,

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<v Speaker 2>that and the third. It was just due to strictly

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<v Speaker 2>the tension in the air that they were just micro

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<v Speaker 2>bickering over nonsense. So Brad ketches it and says, we're

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<v Speaker 2>flashing out of each other man, you can drive, that's fine, whatever. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>So they get to the skiff. Now, understand, on their retreat.

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<v Speaker 2>Throughout the whole time, they are hearing this thing off

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<v Speaker 2>across the creek, breaking stuff, thrashing, making all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>weird noises. He said, none of them he could attribute

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<v Speaker 2>to a imitation of a sound or anything. It all

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<v Speaker 2>sounded like gibberish and yelling. Intermittently, there'd be like a

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<v Speaker 2>real high pitched whistle that hurt the ear. It was

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<v Speaker 2>so high pitched and strong. That was all random in nature.

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<v Speaker 2>As they were retreating after Liam fired the shot over

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<v Speaker 2>this thing's head. So from what Brad said, when they

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<v Speaker 2>got to the skiff, it looked like it had been

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<v Speaker 2>messed with. There was some impressions in the gravel, but

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<v Speaker 2>they couldn't tell from what they assumed it was from

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<v Speaker 2>this thing or another one, so super high tension. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like tipped over anything like that, but it

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<v Speaker 2>had been pulled up further up on out of the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>They were just dumbfounded by it because they had to

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<v Speaker 2>anchor line tight off just barely pulled up because it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't real fast moving at that point as far as

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<v Speaker 2>the re or. There wasn't a heavy current that was

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<v Speaker 2>just going to whisk it away. So seeing it pulled

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<v Speaker 2>up like that, they're a bit stressed, so they work together. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>keep in mind the whole time there's thrashing and yelling

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<v Speaker 2>going off in the distance, right, So they get it

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<v Speaker 2>pushed back down in. Liam pops in and he's firing

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<v Speaker 2>it up, and that's when a rock hits the skiff.

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<v Speaker 2>Brad was trying to figure out where it was coming

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<v Speaker 2>from because they were raining down at an arc very

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<v Speaker 2>similar to what happened to Daniel and Christopher as far

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<v Speaker 2>as it was coming in like artillery and just landed

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<v Speaker 2>in the skiff lang lang lank. And these were a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit bigger rocks than the ones before. Were, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>of a walnut, he said. The one that hit him

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<v Speaker 2>So immediately he's like, you know, what the hell. So

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<v Speaker 2>the rise a little bit to see passed beyond where

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<v Speaker 2>the rocks were coming from. He sees it standing and

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<v Speaker 2>it has no qualms about him seeing it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just looking right at him and just chucking these rocks.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's screwed. This noise. He yells, hey, real loud,

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<v Speaker 2>Brad wasn't doing anything. He hears the outboard running. Liam's

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<v Speaker 2>warming it up just a little bit, and as he

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<v Speaker 2>gets back down to push off, another rock hits and

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<v Speaker 2>so He's like, what the hell because the rock that

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<v Speaker 2>landed that time came from off to his right hand side.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's facing the river pushing the skiff off, and

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<v Speaker 2>the rock comes in this way, and that's the direction

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to get back down to the Wood River.

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<v Speaker 2>So his attention is drawn to his right, justifiably so,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with the rock coming in like that. He said

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<v Speaker 2>was a dark head above the brush that was at

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<v Speaker 2>least seven foot tall as far as what he was guestimating,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a head above it, and he would

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<v Speaker 2>see the hand the second time it threw something. He

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<v Speaker 2>saw the hand come up over the brush and watched

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<v Speaker 2>the rock come and land right in front of his feet.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, at that point he freaked out. Another rock

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<v Speaker 2>green from the one that was back behind them, hid

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<v Speaker 2>inside the skiff. He pushed off. God In pulled out

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<v Speaker 2>his three fifty seven and was pointing at this thing

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<v Speaker 2>as they were getting up to speed on the step.

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<v Speaker 2>As they were going by, he said, it turned and

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<v Speaker 2>watching them. He said he got a really good look

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<v Speaker 2>at the one that was right there off the edge

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<v Speaker 2>of the river. He said it looked real Neanderthal, very

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<v Speaker 2>k man like, had grayish skin. He couldn't tell if

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<v Speaker 2>it was super wrinkly, but he could see some dark crease, wrinkles, nose,

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<v Speaker 2>flat to the face, real broad jaw, real broad. He said.

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<v Speaker 2>What was weird though, is it looked like it was balding,

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<v Speaker 2>like it had a bald spot. He said. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>really crested or anything like that. He said it was rounded,

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<v Speaker 2>but bald. He said, it is the strangest thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't expect, you know, a sasquatch to be bald

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. Which is I have no clue that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>no expert, Harriet. It just died. Still stop throwing rocks.

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<v Speaker 2>As he was pointing in that they skiff by now

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<v Speaker 2>they get back down to the Wood River. They get

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<v Speaker 2>Brad back to the outfit he was working at. Liam

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<v Speaker 2>had to take his skiff and go back to his

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<v Speaker 2>outfit or whatever. They just call it quits. Their adventuring

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<v Speaker 2>was done. Brad talks to his boss and he's, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to let you know what we saw at the

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<v Speaker 2>McClung river. They start throwing rocks just that. He tells

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<v Speaker 2>them everything right, and his boss is bullshit he's no,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what happened. He goes, look, you're under contract.

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<v Speaker 2>You got your six pack license, you got this, you

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<v Speaker 2>got that. I need you to operate the skiff that

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<v Speaker 2>you're here for. It sounds like you're trying to back

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<v Speaker 2>out of the contract. And he goes, no, not at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm informing you of what we saw over there, and

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<v Speaker 2>the guy's bullshit show me. Then, very reluctantly, Brad agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>He takes his boss at the time back on up there.

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<v Speaker 2>The next day, they go back to the exact same

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<v Speaker 2>spot and there's tracks, there's a lot of gravel, but

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<v Speaker 2>there was a couple of muddy parts where you could

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<v Speaker 2>clearly see a very large bare footprint, not a bear

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<v Speaker 2>like er, but a bare human foot shape print clearly

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<v Speaker 2>in the mud. He said they were at least almost

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<v Speaker 2>twenty inches long, which is a big ass. But his

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<v Speaker 2>boss walks over and is just real arrogant. Because Brad

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<v Speaker 2>never intended on quitting's job. He was like, no, this

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<v Speaker 2>is I'm just informing you. But the way his boss

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<v Speaker 2>acted was very arrogant, very dismissive, just went over and

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<v Speaker 2>stomped on. He goes, that's just a double bear track man,

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<v Speaker 2>You're not going to learn anything by being scared of

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<v Speaker 2>bears out here and this and that, and look, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been doing this for different outfits over the years. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not unfamiliar with bears. I know what a bear is,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know what we saw wasn't a bear. He

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<v Speaker 2>ends up losing his job because of the arrogance of

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<v Speaker 2>his boss was like, I'm not going to have you

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<v Speaker 2>potentially tainting clients with this non sense, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>no intention of sharing it. Essentially, the guy ends up

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<v Speaker 2>firing him. He fired him on the spot.

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<v Speaker 1>And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>And said, once we get back to the lodge, you

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<v Speaker 2>gather up your stuff. I'm taking you to dealing him,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to get yourself a flat out of here,

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<v Speaker 2>and you owe me for the flight here because you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't complete your contract. Right at that point, Brad was like,

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<v Speaker 2>loop yours dude, Yeah, go ahead and get me out

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<v Speaker 2>of here. So the guy ends up taking him back

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<v Speaker 2>to doing him the next day because there's some stuff

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<v Speaker 2>going on at the lodge or whatever. So when he

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<v Speaker 2>gets back to doing him, he happened to run into Liam,

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<v Speaker 2>who was at ac Alaska Commercial Market picking up some

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<v Speaker 2>supplies or whatever. Right tells him, hey, dude, I lost

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<v Speaker 2>my John ob or whatever. It so happened that they

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<v Speaker 2>needed another guy. So instead of bailing out like he

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<v Speaker 2>had thought he was going to have to, his buddy, Liam,

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<v Speaker 2>who was with him, got him lined up with the

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<v Speaker 2>outfit he was working for, and he finished the season

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<v Speaker 2>that way. He said he I ever repaid the guy

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<v Speaker 2>for the ticket, told him to get bent. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to thank them for reaching out. I did not get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to speak to Liam. It's been a while

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<v Speaker 2>since Brad has had contact with them. This experience happened

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<v Speaker 2>to them about fifteen years ago. I want to thank

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<v Speaker 2>you Brad for sharing that. It took a while to

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<v Speaker 2>get the mapping right. This area of the McClung, just

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<v Speaker 2>north of Dillingham up the Wood River. The mouth of

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<v Speaker 2>the McClung is in a title zone, but once you

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<v Speaker 2>get past that, it's all fresh water going back towards

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<v Speaker 2>McClung Hills, which would be north northeast roughly his rugged remote,

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<v Speaker 2>very large bears, very big bears going through there. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's where the elderly couple saw the bushmen as they

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<v Speaker 2>call it, that jumped across into the water, and John,

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<v Speaker 2>who shared his experiences with us from Fairbanks on down,

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<v Speaker 2>he pointed out that they were freaked out he saw

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<v Speaker 2>the wet tracks on the gravel leading away. Just be

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<v Speaker 2>aware out there because they're not behind every tree. However,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very random in nature and you just never know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been plenty of people. I've been hunting the same

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<v Speaker 2>spot forty years and been one twenty minute experience and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't even hunt any moment. So for those seeking

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of encounter, good luck. You gotta be careful

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<v Speaker 2>what you wish for because you just may get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to share with you today comes from Priscilla.

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<v Speaker 2>Priscilla self proclaimed tag along on what happened mid nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>very traumatic situation of how things played out. She tagged

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<v Speaker 2>along to basically help with everything around camp. She was

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<v Speaker 2>just participating in someone else's adventure. We'll leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 2>So what ends up happening is that Lake Beverly hard

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<v Speaker 2>Luck Bay. I've been to that area. It is fricking

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<v Speaker 2>beyond beautiful, gorgeous area, clear water down to the bottom,

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<v Speaker 2>just gorgeous. It's hard to put into words how beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>it is out there. She's on adventure status. She's going

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<v Speaker 2>along for the ride, tag along, right. She was in

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<v Speaker 2>her mid twenties, very adventurous at that time. It changed

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<v Speaker 2>because of this. So where they end up. They parked

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<v Speaker 2>the skiff and they set up camp. The total of

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<v Speaker 2>six people. A couple of them are doing a work

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<v Speaker 2>related part of their trip where they happen to count

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<v Speaker 2>salmon hatchlings and other stuff. So they go up creeks

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<v Speaker 2>and into bogs and they dip in it and they

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<v Speaker 2>measure the fish and the species and so on. She

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<v Speaker 2>was just tagging along while they were doing their stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple people at stayed of camp, and a group

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<v Speaker 2>of four she was included. Go up this creek on

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<v Speaker 2>the map, you'll see a number one. That is where

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<v Speaker 2>they stopped the first day and there was some study

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<v Speaker 2>done and the rainforced them back to camp day two.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two. You'll see the blue dot further up the creek,

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<v Speaker 2>and you'll see a couple of red dots. I'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that in a second. So day two of this

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<v Speaker 2>adventure she tagged along for. She ended up carrying some

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<v Speaker 2>buckets and other equipment for the two guys that were

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<v Speaker 2>doing their thing. Her older brother was off her left

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<v Speaker 2>hand shoulder, and the two guys doing their job were

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<v Speaker 2>in front of them. Her brother was basically a chaperone

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<v Speaker 2>bear protection so on. He had a shotgun and his handgun.

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<v Speaker 2>She had brought along a handgun, even though it was

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty two revolver. She felt safe. So they get

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<v Speaker 2>back up in there and right where that lake comes

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<v Speaker 2>to this little creek, this little fear creek. There at

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<v Speaker 2>that time there was the beginnings of a beaver dam,

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<v Speaker 2>and that the two guys that they were with, they

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<v Speaker 2>tore the beginnings of it apart in the water start

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<v Speaker 2>flowing and all that kind of stuff. So they sat

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<v Speaker 2>back for a little while and just watching the guys

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<v Speaker 2>do their stuff. They're dipping this net into the water.

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<v Speaker 2>They're scooping out, catching a few here few the area.

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<v Speaker 2>It was real slow going. If it wasn't for the

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<v Speaker 2>beauty of the scenery, they would have been bored to tears.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was seeing stuff she never seen before, the

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<v Speaker 2>different species of trees and so on. She said, they're

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<v Speaker 2>about fifty sixty feet from the mouth of this little

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<v Speaker 2>creek where it's fed from this larger pond, small lake.

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<v Speaker 2>She said. They got bored watching these guys and decided

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to go up to the lake and look

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<v Speaker 2>around because it was just crystal clear water, had a

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<v Speaker 2>bluish hit to it, that bluish greens view just gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 2>And they get over there and that's when they see

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<v Speaker 2>the two sasquashed, the two harry Man across that lake,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're looking right back at them. Immediately, the older

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<v Speaker 2>brother knew to get down. He knew that there's Harryman

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<v Speaker 2>over there, and we got to not be here. Smart guy,

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<v Speaker 2>no sense in taking a risk. One of the workers

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<v Speaker 2>that they were accompanying there with they get their attention

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<v Speaker 2>because these two guys were in the biology field. They

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<v Speaker 2>start pointing. They start telling them, hey, look over there.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy's look and they're just like, oh, probably just

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<v Speaker 2>some fishermen. They were really dismissive initially, well that's just

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<v Speaker 2>other people, no big deal, it doesn't affect our study.

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<v Speaker 2>Their mind wasn't on what Priscilla and her brother were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to convey to them until the screams went down,

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<v Speaker 2>and immediately all eyes were that direction, right. The screams have,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when the two disappear into the trees on

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<v Speaker 2>either side of this pond, this small lake off to

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<v Speaker 2>the right, one off to the left. They disappeared. They

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<v Speaker 2>could hear these things coming through the trees. There was

415
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<v Speaker 2>loud whoops, There were stuff being thrown out into the

416
00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:20.799
<v Speaker 2>water as they were coming, branches breaking, trees shaking, just

417
00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:25.039
<v Speaker 2>chaotic noise echoing down through loud as hell. She said.

418
00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:28.240
<v Speaker 2>It went from dead quiet to an orchestra playing just loud.

419
00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:32.519
<v Speaker 2>It was very powerful, all the different whoops and screams

420
00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:36.920
<v Speaker 2>and whatnot. So immediately everyone's puckered up right. Her brother

421
00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.960
<v Speaker 2>on shouldered the shotgun and they start moving back, keeping

422
00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.079
<v Speaker 2>an eye at the chaos coming their way. They weren't

423
00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:48.240
<v Speaker 2>seeing much during that point, just a lot of noise,

424
00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:51.519
<v Speaker 2>and the noise was coming towards them as they're backing away.

425
00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:54.960
<v Speaker 2>She said, they must have gotten maybe one hundred feet

426
00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:58.160
<v Speaker 2>by that point. These two things were on opposite sides

427
00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:00.599
<v Speaker 2>of where they were just standing. They were on their

428
00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:02.519
<v Speaker 2>end of the lake where they were in the fish

429
00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:05.039
<v Speaker 2>study going on, and then they commenced to following them.

430
00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.640
<v Speaker 2>They're retreating back out of there. Every once in a while,

431
00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:13.039
<v Speaker 2>there's rocks landing biome, there's pine combs landing biome. Most

432
00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:16.519
<v Speaker 2>of the vocalizations fell off, she said, once they were

433
00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:20.640
<v Speaker 2>on the retreat. Understand, this retreat is not just like

434
00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.319
<v Speaker 2>you're walking down a bike path and get along real easy. No,

435
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:27.880
<v Speaker 2>this is thick underbrush, thick grass. You're not just traveling

436
00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:31.000
<v Speaker 2>real easily through this shit. You got on hip waiters.

437
00:22:31.119 --> 00:22:34.519
<v Speaker 2>You're going through mucky, marshy stuff, and especially trying to

438
00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:37.480
<v Speaker 2>do it quickly. You're falling a lot, You're tripping over stuff.

439
00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:42.400
<v Speaker 2>It's panic riddled. They're trying to flee perceive very dangerous situation.

440
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:45.640
<v Speaker 2>She said. The further they got back away from that lake,

441
00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:48.519
<v Speaker 2>the less they were seeing these things and hearing them

442
00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:50.960
<v Speaker 2>off to both sides of them, on their left and

443
00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:55.000
<v Speaker 2>right just behind them. They're hearing the noises periodically and

444
00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:56.599
<v Speaker 2>every once in a while when they'd slow down, and

445
00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:58.599
<v Speaker 2>that's when the rocks would rain down, one or two,

446
00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:02.519
<v Speaker 2>sometimes a pine, sometimes a stick would come flinging by.

447
00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Basically they were being ushered out. That's what I pick

448
00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:09.079
<v Speaker 2>up from it. These things easily could have overtaken them.

449
00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:11.279
<v Speaker 2>They got to a point to where they were initially

450
00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:13.960
<v Speaker 2>once they were getting closer back to the lake shore.

451
00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.359
<v Speaker 2>She said that they were cut off at one point

452
00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:18.759
<v Speaker 2>because one of these things was on their back trail

453
00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.880
<v Speaker 2>and had gone room. Then quietly unbeknounced to them and

454
00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:24.200
<v Speaker 2>got in front of them, and they all saw it

455
00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:27.079
<v Speaker 2>peeking out from behind this tree, just watching them. And

456
00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>again she said, they couldn't really make out the faces

457
00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.279
<v Speaker 2>because of how they were positioned, the daylight and everything.

458
00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:36.960
<v Speaker 2>They couldn't really make out the face very clearly. However,

459
00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.519
<v Speaker 2>the mannerisms was one, she said of curiosity her brother.

460
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:43.079
<v Speaker 2>When the one got in front of them as they

461
00:23:43.119 --> 00:23:45.599
<v Speaker 2>were retreating, he leveled the gun at it, and then

462
00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:49.200
<v Speaker 2>they heard it tear off, made some weird noises like

463
00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>a gargling sound, and some whoops and some chirps, real loud,

464
00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:56.680
<v Speaker 2>sharp whistles, and some other stuff as it took off

465
00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.599
<v Speaker 2>going up towards that little mountain right next to that lake.

466
00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Once that happened, they immediately picked up their pace because

467
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:04.640
<v Speaker 2>the trail got a little easier the ground was a

468
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.240
<v Speaker 2>little harder. There they got onto the beach. They ended

469
00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:12.480
<v Speaker 2>up walking along the beach quietly and slowly because the

470
00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:14.759
<v Speaker 2>one that initially scared off when he leveled the gun

471
00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:17.279
<v Speaker 2>at it. They could hear it was either that one

472
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 2>or another one had crossed and joined him or whatever.

473
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:23.039
<v Speaker 2>But they heard breaking trees, she said. It was some

474
00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:25.480
<v Speaker 2>of the loudest stuff. They sounded so close to them,

475
00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:27.839
<v Speaker 2>like a tree was just at any moment fall over

476
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:31.480
<v Speaker 2>right on them. Even though that's unreasonable to think that

477
00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:34.160
<v Speaker 2>a tree one hundred feet back from the shoreline's going

478
00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:37.160
<v Speaker 2>to break onto you. But it was just panic stricken, right,

479
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:40.240
<v Speaker 2>she said. The day before when they got back to

480
00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:44.079
<v Speaker 2>break camp because they weren't going to stay, it was chaos.

481
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Everything was thrown into the tent, didn't matter. But one

482
00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:50.279
<v Speaker 2>of the guys was dragging the tin full of stuff

483
00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:53.319
<v Speaker 2>over to the skiff. The tint tore. It was like

484
00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:56.640
<v Speaker 2>a circus, right, So they scrambled, they get everything into

485
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.039
<v Speaker 2>the skiff. They end up firing up the skiff and

486
00:24:59.160 --> 00:25:02.599
<v Speaker 2>they take off from and the guys, once they're feeling

487
00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:05.079
<v Speaker 2>more safe out on the water away from shore, they said,

488
00:25:05.119 --> 00:25:07.039
<v Speaker 2>let's circle back. Let's see if we can see them

489
00:25:07.079 --> 00:25:09.920
<v Speaker 2>out in the open. They circled a few times and

490
00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:12.839
<v Speaker 2>saw nothing. At one point, just as they're getting ready

491
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.200
<v Speaker 2>to leave, they noticed a dark spot way up on

492
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.640
<v Speaker 2>that mountain, which was right there. You can't tell from

493
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:21.240
<v Speaker 2>the topographical but it's right there in your face when

494
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.039
<v Speaker 2>you're at that beach, it's right there. And they saw

495
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:28.680
<v Speaker 2>one of them going up that and they just cut

496
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:31.400
<v Speaker 2>out from there. One of the things she also shared

497
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:35.960
<v Speaker 2>was she learned that these guys that they were with,

498
00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:39.839
<v Speaker 2>one of them actually had a camcorder and recorded some

499
00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 2>of this interaction this retreat. She said she found out

500
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.000
<v Speaker 2>through her brother, because her brother was tight with those guys.

501
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:50.559
<v Speaker 2>They lost their job, the reason being that the footage

502
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:54.400
<v Speaker 2>was confiscated, their notes, everything done to document what they

503
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:58.200
<v Speaker 2>were experiencing. They turned it in, Hey, we need to

504
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:00.880
<v Speaker 2>change the study kind of deal. They were fired for

505
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:04.599
<v Speaker 2>not completing the contract they had signed to do this study.

506
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.759
<v Speaker 2>So they didn't complete the project that they signed up

507
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.599
<v Speaker 2>for because of this circumstance that they're like, hey, look

508
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:14.640
<v Speaker 2>at this, and they use that against them to basically

509
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:16.960
<v Speaker 2>push them up. I don't know what the endgame is

510
00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:20.559
<v Speaker 2>with that, those in power stamping out any sign of evidence.

511
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:22.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's fear, I don't know if

512
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.319
<v Speaker 2>there's a protocol involved. I just don't know, but it's

513
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.759
<v Speaker 2>messed up to say the least. To use an experience

514
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.279
<v Speaker 2>against somebody as an excuse to fire them is just

515
00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:34.880
<v Speaker 2>jackeda I'm going to thank Priscilla for sharing. Priscilla has

516
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:39.240
<v Speaker 2>a very severe fear of the woods, so much so

517
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:43.440
<v Speaker 2>that she can't go by a city park without looking

518
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:45.440
<v Speaker 2>for a harry Man peaking at her. She no longer

519
00:26:45.480 --> 00:26:50.160
<v Speaker 2>lives in Alaska. She moved away decades ago because of

520
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:54.240
<v Speaker 2>this particular instance. One of the things she shared that

521
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:58.279
<v Speaker 2>caused her so much fear was she could tell they

522
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:01.440
<v Speaker 2>were watching her and not the guys. The only time

523
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.400
<v Speaker 2>she felt like one of them had their attention on

524
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 2>the guy was when her brother leveled the shotgun at

525
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>it and it left left their view into the trees.

526
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:13.920
<v Speaker 2>She said, the whole time, from spotting them across the lake,

527
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.240
<v Speaker 2>them coming around and then retreating out of there, all

528
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.079
<v Speaker 2>to when they were loading up the skiff, she felt

529
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:24.799
<v Speaker 2>watched and she felt like she was their focus. And

530
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 2>she said, she doesn't know how, she just felt it

531
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.039
<v Speaker 2>in her spirit, and it scared the living hell out

532
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>of her, and she sore off the woods from that

533
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:36.880
<v Speaker 2>point forward. When she ended up getting back to Anchorage

534
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.480
<v Speaker 2>after that trip, she said it was less than a week,

535
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 2>which she tidied up all her loose ends and went

536
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 2>back to her home state. I want to thank her

537
00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:48.680
<v Speaker 2>for reaching out and being patient with the back and

538
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.319
<v Speaker 2>forth on the phones. I know it was a little

539
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:54.799
<v Speaker 2>annoying because it's hard to relive some of those things

540
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 2>because you get brought right back into the moment. So

541
00:27:57.400 --> 00:28:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. I appreciate your efforts. I talked to

542
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.799
<v Speaker 2>the people a bunch of different times to get their information.

543
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:06.960
<v Speaker 2>If they're willing to share themselves, then by bringing them

544
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:09.039
<v Speaker 2>on and they share. If they're not willing to share,

545
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I share for them. Vicariously, it's a little too cold

546
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:13.599
<v Speaker 2>to be out in the Tahoe, so I got to

547
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:16.880
<v Speaker 2>tolerate potentially my dog's getting in my basement a snow.

548
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Big deal. What I'm sharing with you today comes pre statehood,

549
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:24.599
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty seven, to be exact. What Herbie shared with me.

550
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:27.240
<v Speaker 2>It was really rough for him because he was ten

551
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 2>years old at the time. He was from the village

552
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.119
<v Speaker 2>he's from, which he didn't want to get into or whatever.

553
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 2>He had to leave due to his father's alcoholism. After

554
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:42.759
<v Speaker 2>World War Two, he gets sent off to his uncle's

555
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.680
<v Speaker 2>house which he lived with his at and uncle through

556
00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.119
<v Speaker 2>high school and stuff. They lived in what is now

557
00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:52.000
<v Speaker 2>near what's known as I Did a Rod. It wasn't

558
00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.359
<v Speaker 2>the name of the place back then. When he gets there.

559
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:59.160
<v Speaker 2>It was a rough transition because he went from rough

560
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:03.319
<v Speaker 2>ki stuff to stability, which was hard for him to

561
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:05.920
<v Speaker 2>get used to. From what he was saying, but one

562
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:09.279
<v Speaker 2>of the things he enjoyed is his uncle enjoyed getting

563
00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:13.400
<v Speaker 2>out into the woods, love to adventure. His uncle had

564
00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:16.839
<v Speaker 2>gotten back from doing chores with his older cousin, which

565
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:20.359
<v Speaker 2>was fourteen. His uncle just got done talking to a

566
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:24.519
<v Speaker 2>neighbor about something to do with some rocks he suspected

567
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 2>potentially a gold claim or something like that. Just really

568
00:29:28.519 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 2>random in nature. But it was an adventure. His uncle

569
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:35.039
<v Speaker 2>was all for trying to get a leg up, go

570
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.920
<v Speaker 2>gold mining or whatever, look for gold, peter whatever. Again,

571
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>he's ten years old, and so he's getting bits and

572
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.519
<v Speaker 2>pieces of it and doesn't truly understand what's going on.

573
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Where they were was south of where I Did Rod

574
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:52.640
<v Speaker 2>is now. He said when they left, him and his

575
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.960
<v Speaker 2>cousin were the worker bees. That's pretty standard stuff. As

576
00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Native kids. You're doing the word.

577
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more sasquatch Otasy will be right back

578
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:03.279
<v Speaker 1>after the east messages.

579
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:08.799
<v Speaker 2>So him and his cousin loaded up the skiff. The

580
00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>skiff was like a twenty foot real narrow all handmade,

581
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 2>and it had an old car motor for the motor

582
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.599
<v Speaker 2>in it just slapped together, but it worked, and his

583
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.880
<v Speaker 2>uncle was proud of his contraption and use it anytime

584
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 2>he could outside of wintertime. From what he said, they

585
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>left and it wasn't all that long that it took

586
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 2>to travel to this spot. They stopped a couple places

587
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 2>and set a net for whitefish, just to have food

588
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:38.599
<v Speaker 2>on the trip because his uncle only brought some beans

589
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:41.799
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. They get to where they were going to

590
00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:44.440
<v Speaker 2>walk along this bluff. According to what he was saying,

591
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>his uncle's friend neighbor told him along that bluff he

592
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.720
<v Speaker 2>had found some gold nuggets. If he was really wanting

593
00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:53.559
<v Speaker 2>to try to get a leg up to go there,

594
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:56.559
<v Speaker 2>and that's the place to go, right His uncle's just

595
00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:59.200
<v Speaker 2>going on a whim basically, Hey, yeah, just go on.

596
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:03.400
<v Speaker 2>In adventure was just getting into fall. The leaves are

597
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 2>starting to turn in everything, and so Chris morning the

598
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.599
<v Speaker 2>first morning after they set up camp for the first

599
00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>few days. It was no problem. They were going approximately

600
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 2>maybe a thousand and fifteen hundred feet from their camp,

601
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>walking along this bluff, just stopping periodically and checking out

602
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.319
<v Speaker 2>the ground, seeing how much overburden there was, how much

603
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>dirt on top, and basically just digging around seeing if

604
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.440
<v Speaker 2>they find quartz or any other kind of leading rocks. Right, So,

605
00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 2>he said he was just doing his thing, being a kid.

606
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>He's ten years old. He's looking at the birds. He's

607
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>doing kid stuff. He had a little twenty two for

608
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.559
<v Speaker 2>shooting spruce grouse or maybe a rabbit or something like that,

609
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>because again they only brought some beans and so they

610
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.119
<v Speaker 2>only caught a few white fish on the way down. Basically,

611
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>his uncle tells him, I'm going to be digging around

612
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:57.319
<v Speaker 2>you and your cousin. You guys shoot spruce chickens or whatever.

613
00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.039
<v Speaker 2>Make sure we have something at the end of every

614
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 2>day to eat. So he was doing his thing. He

615
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:05.920
<v Speaker 2>said it was about three days into this that early

616
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:07.680
<v Speaker 2>in the morning he had gotten up he had to

617
00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 2>use the restaurant outside. When he got up, he heard

618
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.799
<v Speaker 2>a howling way off in the distance. He just figured wolves,

619
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.319
<v Speaker 2>no big deal, there's wolves around. At that time, his

620
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:19.599
<v Speaker 2>uncle was getting up and heard the wolves too. He's

621
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.519
<v Speaker 2>going back into this makeshift shelter. I wouldn't call it

622
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a tent, old school canvas tark. His uncle had made

623
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:31.119
<v Speaker 2>a little portable wood stove out of some old small

624
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 2>oil can of some kind. He said, it had to

625
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>have been like a twenty gallon twenty ish gallon oil can.

626
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.839
<v Speaker 2>But his uncle had fabricated him a little wood stove

627
00:32:39.920 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 2>right and used some old exhaust pipe from a vehicle

628
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 2>for the stove pipe. Again, uncle was all about making

629
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.240
<v Speaker 2>stuff hisself, so everything was improvised. He's in there feeding

630
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:53.079
<v Speaker 2>this stove and his uncle comes back in, and it

631
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 2>was Kirby's job to basically cook breakfast, get breakfast going

632
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.720
<v Speaker 2>once they got there. They had always had beans on

633
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 2>the stove, so there was always beans ready. It's just

634
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>what we're having with the beans kind of thing. He

635
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:10.160
<v Speaker 2>gets dressed and he goes out looking for spruce chickens.

636
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>He's unsuccessful. He comes back because they're about to start

637
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:17.359
<v Speaker 2>this work day where they're basically adventuring checking out the area.

638
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:20.279
<v Speaker 2>They got to a spot further down the bluff, the

639
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:25.359
<v Speaker 2>furthest they've gotten from camp. That's when it was mid morning,

640
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:29.759
<v Speaker 2>and they heard the loudest howling he said he had

641
00:33:29.880 --> 00:33:34.039
<v Speaker 2>ever heard in his life, a wolf howl. He said

642
00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:36.640
<v Speaker 2>it sounded like a wolf on a bullhorn. It was

643
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>very powerful, very loud, and immediately him and his cousin

644
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>were scared. Now, his cousin's fourteen, just a few years older,

645
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>but of course a little bigger. At that age. His

646
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.920
<v Speaker 2>cousin had a thirty out six rifle. He had his

647
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.279
<v Speaker 2>little twenty two, and his uncle also had a thirty

648
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 2>out six rifle. Always had him with them because there's

649
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>bears out there. So the digging, and grant you, this

650
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:01.839
<v Speaker 2>wasn't full blown mining. They were just digging a little bit,

651
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 2>checking the area. That it was an adventure. It wasn't

652
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:08.840
<v Speaker 2>like a full blown mining program, you know. They were

653
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:11.960
<v Speaker 2>just out there to check it out. He said. His uncle,

654
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>once the howling stopped, tells the boys, gather up your stuff. Well,

655
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.800
<v Speaker 2>the boys, all they were carrying was one shovel. He

656
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 2>had a small pick, their firearms, and a couple extra

657
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.480
<v Speaker 2>ammo in their pockets. But his uncle was so focused

658
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:28.800
<v Speaker 2>he was telling them, basically, have your stuff together, we

659
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.639
<v Speaker 2>gotta go. Him and his cousin did not see what

660
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:34.440
<v Speaker 2>his uncle initially saw because he was looking up the

661
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.480
<v Speaker 2>bank off to the right, just off away from them

662
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.920
<v Speaker 2>from the where that sound was originating. They're ready to go,

663
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 2>They tell them, hey, yeah, we're good to go. Uncle

664
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 2>starts telling them to walk back. Start walking back. Now

665
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>they get about ten feet, Herbie said, that's when a

666
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 2>few rocks pom hit the ground real hard. He said

667
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.679
<v Speaker 2>they had to been thrown with force near Looking around,

668
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:59.519
<v Speaker 2>and his uncle says run. So they're confused. He said,

669
00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>run the kayak. Run, there's a jakaya cup. There a monster. Right.

670
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.400
<v Speaker 2>They take off running because at this point this thing

671
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:09.760
<v Speaker 2>was just above them on the bluff. They didn't see

672
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:13.360
<v Speaker 2>it initially. So they're retreating back to their camp, which

673
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:17.280
<v Speaker 2>again thousand feet a little more, not that far, and

674
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.119
<v Speaker 2>the big scheme of things because they're running, they were

675
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 2>up on a little shelf that was up a little

676
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.480
<v Speaker 2>higher than the river before the bluff started. They're going

677
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:28.280
<v Speaker 2>along and all they had to go by was game trails,

678
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 2>old game trails and whatnot. It wasn't a well traveled area.

679
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 2>They're busting through and once they got about half the

680
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:40.039
<v Speaker 2>distance from where the initial rock throwing started, that's when

681
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.599
<v Speaker 2>he heard his uncle firing bam bam. He said he

682
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:47.440
<v Speaker 2>unloaded his rifle because when they heard the shots they

683
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>turned around to look. They couldn't see what his uncle

684
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 2>was firing the rounds right, he shot four or five times,

685
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:55.920
<v Speaker 2>had the bolt open on his thirty out six, and

686
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 2>he's telling them run get the camp, and he's reloading

687
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.199
<v Speaker 2>his rifle. They get about half the distance from where

688
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.840
<v Speaker 2>his uncle started shooting the first time, and more shots

689
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:09.280
<v Speaker 2>pop off. After the second volley of gunfire, they heard

690
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.679
<v Speaker 2>this hillacious screaming. He said. It sounded like a demon

691
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 2>coming out of the woods. That's when him and his

692
00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 2>cousin first got a look at the harry Man. He

693
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:23.280
<v Speaker 2>said it was real lanky and skinny. It was very tall,

694
00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.000
<v Speaker 2>but it looked weird because it looked like its torso

695
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.159
<v Speaker 2>was the longest part, along with his arms, and his

696
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.840
<v Speaker 2>legs didn't seem to be all that long from their

697
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 2>vantage point, so he, being so young, didn't understand. He

698
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 2>wasn't understanding what he was seeing at the time. He

699
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:43.719
<v Speaker 2>said he was really confused because to him it looked

700
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>like a skinny man in a fur coat, and he

701
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't know why his uncle was trying to shoot this

702
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:53.320
<v Speaker 2>skinny man in a fur coat. He at the time,

703
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.920
<v Speaker 2>being ten, he knew it was large, but he didn't

704
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>realize how large. They get back to camp and the

705
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 2>screamings going on, still just off out of sight, and

706
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 2>the uncles keep in watch, and they're trying to get

707
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.800
<v Speaker 2>everything done, unpacked all that stuff. The stove was still

708
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 2>hot from the morning, so him and his cousin drug

709
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:13.920
<v Speaker 2>it outside. They dump all the coals out of it

710
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 2>and set it off to the side and kind of

711
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:18.400
<v Speaker 2>stomp on all the coals that were left, just to

712
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:21.599
<v Speaker 2>get them out of the way, and they start taking

713
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 2>down this canvas tarp that they had set up. Meanwhile,

714
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:27.679
<v Speaker 2>the whole time, his uncle's telling them to hurry, cut

715
00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:29.920
<v Speaker 2>the lines. Don't save the rope, just cut the lines.

716
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.920
<v Speaker 2>Get our stuff. He's ten, cousin fourteen. They're doing their damnedest.

717
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:39.159
<v Speaker 2>His uncle was always kind, always quick to laugh, like

718
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:42.559
<v Speaker 2>to joke around. Wasn't a mean guy, but he was

719
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.639
<v Speaker 2>very serious. You hurry up, hurry, first time he heard

720
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.920
<v Speaker 2>his uncle cuss yelling at him to move their asses,

721
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 2>to get the shit and get moving. They gather it up.

722
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:55.199
<v Speaker 2>At some point his uncle turns around and it gives

723
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:58.480
<v Speaker 2>them instruction on what to bring lead the take this,

724
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.360
<v Speaker 2>take that, and leave this stuff. I'll get it later

725
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:04.360
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. So they end up leaving that canvas tarp

726
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.440
<v Speaker 2>and a couple other things, nothing too major, a kerosene

727
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 2>lamp or something. They grabbed the most important stuff. Him

728
00:38:11.159 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 2>and his cousin are going along back down to the skiff.

729
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 2>The uncle's right there watching Meanwhile. This whole time, this

730
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:23.519
<v Speaker 2>harry Man's just out of sight, screaming, breaking stuff periodically.

731
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Grass dumps and stuff would fly by, just demonic sounds

732
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.079
<v Speaker 2>that he had never heard before, and it really freaked

733
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 2>him out. They get down to the skiff, and at

734
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 2>that point they're getting the stuff in the skiff, and

735
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:40.360
<v Speaker 2>his cousin has to keep watch while his uncle fires

736
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.159
<v Speaker 2>up that homemade contraption of a motor. It was an

737
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.280
<v Speaker 2>old motor out of a car. It flooded a lot,

738
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:49.840
<v Speaker 2>It had its problems, right, So the uncle sat there

739
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:53.039
<v Speaker 2>for almost an hour, cousin keeping an eye out. Uncle

740
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:55.400
<v Speaker 2>was real nervous looking around all the time. Finally got

741
00:38:55.440 --> 00:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>it started and they got out of there. One thing

742
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.880
<v Speaker 2>that Herbie said that he'll never forget is when he

743
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.239
<v Speaker 2>saw it as they were leaving the river bank. They

744
00:39:06.280 --> 00:39:10.400
<v Speaker 2>weren't doing anything. This thing started chucking rocks, dangerously, chucking

745
00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 2>rocks at them. He found out later that the two

746
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:16.920
<v Speaker 2>rocks that impacted him and his cousin were almost hit

747
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:19.760
<v Speaker 2>by these rocks. They were kids. They weren't paying attention

748
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 2>to up the hill. They were paying attention to the

749
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.760
<v Speaker 2>path that they had to take, and the rocks just

750
00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:28.519
<v Speaker 2>came in just behind them both and they hurt him impact,

751
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.400
<v Speaker 2>But he found that out later. He didn't realize how

752
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.760
<v Speaker 2>much danger they were in until the shots fired, and

753
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 2>he said the expression on this think's face was just

754
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 2>one of hate. He said he never he's dealt with

755
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.199
<v Speaker 2>hate in his life, and he's never seen that kind

756
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:47.880
<v Speaker 2>of scowl. He said, this creature had real like complexion,

757
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:52.199
<v Speaker 2>almost like a white man. However, the difference being is

758
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 2>the shape of the head was different. Real big head,

759
00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 2>real white jaw, real big nose, bulbous at the tip.

760
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.599
<v Speaker 2>That was the things that stood out the most to him.

761
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>The eyes. He said, he saw nothing but blackness. He

762
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.599
<v Speaker 2>couldn't make out the eyes. Again. This comes from approximately

763
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty seven, pre statehood. He said that once they

764
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:18.039
<v Speaker 2>got back to the village, his uncle had a powwow

765
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:20.920
<v Speaker 2>with his friend and some other stuff. He said it

766
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:23.760
<v Speaker 2>was like a week later they attempted him and his

767
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.639
<v Speaker 2>friend and a couple other adults, not kids this time

768
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:29.800
<v Speaker 2>had gone back and from what he heard, there was

769
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.400
<v Speaker 2>nothing left of the type. It was shred to bits.

770
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Whatever else was there was just destroyed. I want to

771
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 2>thank herby for having the patients. Thank you to his

772
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.880
<v Speaker 2>granddaughter for helping him, because hey, he's not hyptotechnology, far

773
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.599
<v Speaker 2>less than me, and I'm not very good at it.

774
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate his patience. I want to thank his granddaughter.

775
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:50.880
<v Speaker 2>She knows who she is, Herbie. I appreciate you sharing

776
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 2>that with us. Thank you guys for joining me. We

777
00:40:54.119 --> 00:41:53.760
<v Speaker 2>will catch you guys on the next one.

778
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:54.559
<v Speaker 1>Did Di