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Speaker 7: John Fuller, attorney at law, joins me, and we've got
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Speaker 6: You today coming up at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 7: We're gonna have somebody on that actually got a seventy
Speaker 7: five dollars ticket. It's actually not a ticket, which is
Speaker 7: we'll get into it to eleven o'clock hour. But but
Speaker 7: he fought it, John, this guy fought that seventy five
Speaker 7: dollars ticket for crossing the double lines. I think he's
Speaker 7: was on I twenty five going on to E four
Speaker 7: seventy and he fought this whole thing.
Speaker 6: I think it took him six months.
Speaker 7: He fought it all the way up and sued the
Speaker 7: state of Colorado. And you know how hard it is
Speaker 7: to actually sue a municipality or a government agency.
Speaker 6: Andy one.
Speaker 7: Now he's thinking to doing a class action because well
Speaker 7: we're going to get into it. It's eleven o'clock hour.
Speaker 7: But it's absolutely a great story. Make sure you join
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Speaker 7: Deputy Bo, it's glad to see your still not in
Speaker 7: the pokey? Now did someone bake you a cake? And
Speaker 7: if for people that don't know what we're talking about,
Speaker 7: he went out on assignment when was that Monday?
Speaker 8: That was last Friday? Out to the Spyglass Creek apartments. Yeah,
Speaker 8: they were doing some unethical and illegal booting of some
Speaker 8: shady stuff, really shady.
Speaker 6: What car was that when you went out to remember
Speaker 6: what the vehicle was?
Speaker 8: Yeah, there were two, like when was a chevrole same
Speaker 8: place though you have the same tenant had two cars
Speaker 8: and the parking spaces were not marked yep, And there
Speaker 8: was no signage stating about booting or towing.
Speaker 7: Did he actually cut the boot off, right, I had
Speaker 7: a different one.
Speaker 6: We had like three calls.
Speaker 5: He didn't cut up the boot off.
Speaker 8: I went down there to try to reason with the
Speaker 8: manager because.
Speaker 6: He actually lived there.
Speaker 8: He lived there, he just moved in, and the management
Speaker 8: company was very reluctant to give him the actual parking pass.
Speaker 7: Where did he Where did he park? Wasn't it in
Speaker 7: the visitors space or a different one?
Speaker 8: No, he parked right in front of his apartment.
Speaker 6: Oh good, Yes, he parked in front of his apartment.
Speaker 7: Yes, okay, And then you went down there and they
Speaker 7: called the cops. Sign you yeah.
Speaker 8: Instead of having there's just a conversation about how we
Speaker 8: could get the boot removed.
Speaker 7: Don you got to turn that off? Bro, I'm sorry everybody.
Speaker 7: I just we got a cell phone going crazy in here,
Speaker 7: so go ahead.
Speaker 8: So anyway, instead of having a conversation about how to
Speaker 8: get these boot removed, because the management company to give
Speaker 8: him the parking pass in time, the manager called me
Speaker 8: a scammer and was going to he did not going
Speaker 8: to he did he called the police.
Speaker 6: Did the cops ever show up?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: I waited three and a half hours.
Speaker 7: Why would you even wait?
Speaker 8: Because I wanted the police to I wanted to explain
Speaker 8: to the police of this un ethical activity. And I
Speaker 8: wasn't worried about getting a trespassing ticket because I told
Speaker 8: the manager that's ridiculous because I was there as a
Speaker 8: guest of the tenant. Yeah, you were, and I wasn't
Speaker 8: being you know, that was crazy, though.
Speaker 7: I'll never forget you saying last week, hey, we're on air,
Speaker 7: or I'm sorry while we were on air, basically saying hey,
Speaker 7: he called the cops.
Speaker 6: He asked me to leave.
Speaker 7: Anytime I have showed up on stuff like that and
Speaker 7: someone asked me to leave, I have left, but generally
Speaker 7: it's on property.
Speaker 6: I remember going down to an auctioneer one time.
Speaker 7: And he asked me to leave, but you know, I left,
Speaker 7: but I went right to the sidewalk there and I
Speaker 7: was still filming and it went pretty good.
Speaker 6: But that was a really good job going down. I
Speaker 6: thought that was great.
Speaker 7: Radio man. Yeah, And let me tell you what ultimately
Speaker 7: happened on that deal.
Speaker 8: Well, what happened because of the commotion with me going
Speaker 8: in and out of the leasing offices. Cameron, the caller's girlfriend,
Speaker 8: was just so upset about the situation. While I was
Speaker 8: sitting at the leasing office waiting for Denver police to
Speaker 8: show up. She went into an apartment and paid the
Speaker 8: three hundred and fifty dollars boot fee to have the
Speaker 8: boots removed well, and I told them not to do this,
Speaker 8: And I said, how could these boots get removed? Because
Speaker 8: I was at the entrance of the part of the
Speaker 8: apartment complex waiting to see the toe company or the
Speaker 8: parking boot company. It was scammy. One of the maintenance
Speaker 8: men of the apartment building went out and removed the boot.
Speaker 8: So it's just kind of an inside that same.
Speaker 6: Company park it Right.
Speaker 7: I reached out to him on another call from Friday,
Speaker 7: and he sent me back the other call. I don't
Speaker 7: know if you remember this, but the guy's space was taken,
Speaker 7: so he parked in the visitor lot only, and there's
Speaker 7: a big sign literally right where he parked saying, you know,
Speaker 7: park it right, this is for visitors only. And he
Speaker 7: parked there and they booted his car. But the funny
Speaker 7: part was he lived there and someone was parked in
Speaker 7: his spot.
Speaker 6: But park it Right still did it. I don't like
Speaker 6: park it Right.
Speaker 7: And I reached out for the owner of park it
Speaker 7: Right to come out on the air, and he just
Speaker 7: emailed me back saying, here's the picture of the sign.
Speaker 6: But he kind of threatened the guy in.
Speaker 7: A text too. Did they do that to your guy?
Speaker 7: He's like, well, this guy cut the boot off. He goes, Oh,
Speaker 7: you're destroying personal property. I mean cutting these boots off
Speaker 7: for nothing. We're going to put a tow truck out
Speaker 7: there and we're gonna see your cars someday and we're
Speaker 7: going to grab it and blah blah, and it's gonna
Speaker 7: end up costing you thousands. It was just a nasty,
Speaker 7: nasty text to him. And then when the guy wouldn't
Speaker 7: come on air, he's the same guy John when they
Speaker 7: were gonna when they were contemplating changing all these towing laws,
Speaker 7: they could have put him out of business. During COVID,
Speaker 7: he wanted to come on the show and plead his
Speaker 7: case to the public. How Park it writes a better
Speaker 7: deal because your car's there, it's cheaper. But these guys
Speaker 7: just throw a boot on there. I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 7: Tom and I went out one time and cut one off.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I wanted to cut this one off because it
Speaker 8: was done unethically and they didn't give the ten at
Speaker 8: the parking pass and I believe they did that on
Speaker 8: perp but.
Speaker 7: He definitely lived there. Oh, as you go to the
Speaker 7: next level, you think they did it just for the
Speaker 7: money grab.
Speaker 8: Sure, I think the manager of this spyglass apartment complex
Speaker 8: is in on it. He's getting a cut of these of.
Speaker 6: That's an interesting opinion.
Speaker 5: It is an interesting opinion. I can't prove it, but
Speaker 5: he was.
Speaker 8: The parking company told me that the manager has full
Speaker 8: authority to remove the boot.
Speaker 7: John. He was so fired up when he was down there.
Speaker 6: I kept going, you gotta get out of there. It's
Speaker 6: time to leave now.
Speaker 9: In a development where I live, there's different segments. But
Speaker 9: one of my Buddi's got a parking ticket because he's
Speaker 9: supposed to know that you can only park on main roads,
Speaker 9: not on side streets. There's no signage.
Speaker 7: But that's not the complex, right, It is the complex
Speaker 7: that is even though it's the street. You're saying they
Speaker 7: own the side streets.
Speaker 9: It's within the it's within development. And he got towed,
Speaker 9: He got a boot because he parked on one of
Speaker 9: the side streets and not one of the main roads.
Speaker 5: And how the hell are you supposed to know that?
Speaker 9: There's absolutely no signage.
Speaker 7: That's interesting. I mean, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I
Speaker 7: have no idea how you're supposed to know it. I
Speaker 7: know this for a fact, I don't care if it's
Speaker 7: a boot.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 7: Actually, the weird part is, I think boots are different.
Speaker 7: We have towing laws for tow trucks what they can do,
Speaker 7: but I don't know if they roll over into this
Speaker 7: booting product. I mean, I have no idea, John, do
Speaker 7: you have any thoughts on that? It's like, I know, yeah,
Speaker 7: So I don't think they do. I think they're different.
Speaker 7: I don't think they have the same regulations.
Speaker 10: I don't think they do because they're mainly acting as
Speaker 10: an agent of the private property owner.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so when they said, oh, you cut our boot off,
Speaker 7: we're going to come after and tow your car and
Speaker 7: all this, I don't think they can.
Speaker 6: Legally do that.
Speaker 11: I don't think so either.
Speaker 6: I think they'd have to go to court.
Speaker 7: They'd have to get a judgment for the destruction of
Speaker 7: that private property.
Speaker 6: They'd have to prove that is the guy that cut
Speaker 6: it off.
Speaker 7: They'd have to prove all kinds of stuff before they
Speaker 7: could go out and just randomly tow a vehicle. I mean,
Speaker 7: I don't know why more people. Honestly, I'm not condoning
Speaker 7: this because I don't know what could happen to you.
Speaker 7: But I don't know why more people just simply don't
Speaker 7: cut the boot off, like really, I mean personally, I
Speaker 7: don't think I would. I don't, but maybe I would.
Speaker 7: I mean, I've cut a boot off for a caller before.
Speaker 5: Well, how hard it is to cut the boot?
Speaker 7: It was nothing, man. We could have done it right there,
Speaker 7: but we didn't know that going down there. So we
Speaker 7: brought a tow truck. I got a buddy that owns
Speaker 7: a tow truck. We went down there, put it on
Speaker 7: a tow truck real quick. We brought it over to
Speaker 7: Jeff Vick's place, and he cut it off with a
Speaker 7: little whiz wheel in less than two seconds.
Speaker 9: Right, But somebody, if I walked out this morning and
Speaker 9: found a boot, what would I need to do to
Speaker 9: cut it off?
Speaker 7: A little whiz wheel would work. Even a little batteryoperty.
Speaker 8: On battery, a battery operated, a little hacksaw would work.
Speaker 7: That'd be a little pay, but it would definitely work.
Speaker 7: I don't think it would take all that long. There's
Speaker 7: not much to these.
Speaker 8: Boots, especially these the boots that I encountered, they looked
Speaker 8: like a pick a ball.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this guy, you got to give it to the
Speaker 7: guy that came up with it. He came up with
Speaker 7: a direct com. He's a direct competitor of tow truck companies.
Speaker 7: And I think I think you're right. I think they
Speaker 7: do get They might pay them a certain amount of
Speaker 7: money per month, so I wouldn't call it a kickback,
Speaker 7: but I would love to know how the business model works.
Speaker 7: But when I called the guy up, man, I tried
Speaker 7: left a message and I texted him, I emailed him,
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, he didn't want to come on.
Speaker 7: He just sent me over a picture. And it's like
Speaker 7: that told me a lot about the guy. I think
Speaker 7: he's a bum. That's my opinion.
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Speaker 7: Thoughts guys on this stock market today? Thoughts on the tariffs?
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Speaker 6: Go ahead?
Speaker 5: What do you Before I get to the tariffs? Yeah,
Speaker 5: there are regulations regarding private booting on private property. I
Speaker 5: did look them up. Are they well? The two they're
Speaker 5: pretty They're not as voluminous as the regulations that affect
Speaker 5: the towing industry. But the two important ones are the
Speaker 5: state sets a maximum cap of one hundred and sixty
Speaker 5: dollars per boot, and the second thing that they set
Speaker 5: is the maximum for their.
Speaker 7: Own boots, I assume, yeah right, yeah, downtown Denver.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah. I'm not talking about government boots. I'm
Speaker 5: talking about the private boots, such as the case that
Speaker 5: BO has been working. And the second regulation deals with
Speaker 5: their response times. So from the time that you pay
Speaker 5: the ticket, the state requires that the boot is removed
Speaker 5: within a certain number of hours during business hours and
Speaker 5: a larger amount of hours during holidays and weeks.
Speaker 6: The one work where you where you were BO?
Speaker 7: Do you?
Speaker 6: How do they get it off?
Speaker 7: They call up a pay back in the day five
Speaker 7: years ago, park it right, you basically would call up
Speaker 7: and pay and I thought they gave you a code.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what happened here? And also I want to crack something.
Speaker 8: The company is called Metro Parking Management, not park it Right. No,
Speaker 8: Metro Parking Management of Denver. Now what happened? The tenant
Speaker 8: went back to apartment and called a number and gave
Speaker 8: her credit card and some a maintenance person from the
Speaker 8: apartment building came out and removed the boot.
Speaker 7: And I think the maintenance guy, boy, that's even a
Speaker 7: stranger one. So under but under the statute they have
Speaker 7: to do it in two hours.
Speaker 5: I can't remember the exact number. Of hours, but there
Speaker 5: are two two tight.
Speaker 7: And then what happens if like someone does cut it off?
Speaker 7: And the one that I was checking out and emailed.
Speaker 5: Park it right on, Well, it's certainly something I would do, right,
Speaker 5: I know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Is there any rules?
Speaker 13: Like?
Speaker 7: What are they allowed to do?
Speaker 5: Well? The regulation affecting private boots does not address your
Speaker 5: own self help remedies.
Speaker 7: See, I mean if you did it, if some and
Speaker 7: put a boot on there, First of all, how would
Speaker 7: I know who did it?
Speaker 6: I'm just thinking out loud.
Speaker 7: I'm sure they put a sticker in a phone number
Speaker 7: and stuff, but maybe someone takes that off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I'd be the wind.
Speaker 6: Yeah whatever, It's like, okay, see you cut the boot.
Speaker 7: Now what I mean, what can they possibly do if
Speaker 7: you park in the right place the next day? I mean,
Speaker 7: can they come and tow your car the next day?
Speaker 7: I don't think so.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think they can provide retaliatory towing services
Speaker 5: for your car. Right.
Speaker 7: The text that one guy received was unbelievable from park
Speaker 7: it right. Oh, They're like, we're gonna see your car
Speaker 7: and we're gonna get it, and we'll get you and
Speaker 7: you owe as thousands of dollars.
Speaker 6: You destroyed our property.
Speaker 7: And you know it's not verbatim, but that's basically what
Speaker 7: they were saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't doubt that the man sent you an
Speaker 5: unhinged text or set, you know, the concerner and unhinged text. However,
Speaker 5: mark you know.
Speaker 7: That did on Let me ask you this on that
Speaker 7: because of a tow company tows you and you can't
Speaker 7: afford to get your car back, they have to release
Speaker 7: it for I think seventy five bucks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's even cheap.
Speaker 6: It's like sixty bucks with the uh wait wait with
Speaker 6: the go ahead.
Speaker 5: Yes, so the towing company has to release your car
Speaker 5: for sixty some dollars and an agreement for you to
Speaker 5: repay the rest of the three over time.
Speaker 7: And let me tell you they are supposed to have
Speaker 7: signs posted and everything. Oh yeah, and a lot of
Speaker 7: them people don't even know that's an option. They try
Speaker 7: to do it on the real download. In fact, I
Speaker 7: think it was Wyatts they got in trouble for that. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but people listening, listen if you've got to. If they're
Speaker 7: going that's four ner and fifty bucks, all you got
Speaker 7: to say is I don't get the money, and they
Speaker 7: got to cut it.
Speaker 6: You're saying sixty bucks.
Speaker 5: It's sixty something. Just boot go for that too, though, No, no,
Speaker 5: the only two regulations are the ones I mentioned, so
Speaker 5: the boot is not regulated to the same extent. But Mark,
Speaker 5: in my research into Bo's matter over here, I came
Speaker 5: across a more insiduous device out there. Now, what is
Speaker 5: Are you familiar with the term windshield octopus?
Speaker 7: I assume it's something right over your windshield. I think
Speaker 7: I have heard this. So you literally couldn't drive because
Speaker 7: you can't see.
Speaker 5: It's a steel box about the size and shape of
Speaker 5: an open phone book if you remember that, and in
Speaker 5: on the underside of the steel box that contacts your window,
Speaker 5: or a whole bunch of suction cups. So they stick
Speaker 5: this thing to your windshield, activate the suction cups, cups,
Speaker 5: and lock the box. That's unbelieva and it's very difficult
Speaker 5: to cut off. There is just nothing in there to attack,
Speaker 5: and you know you could what is it? What shield octopus?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 6: My god, never have you even seen one besides on air, just.
Speaker 5: On the internet. And it's you know, like a big
Speaker 5: yellow wangle.
Speaker 6: So when you get it taken off, then what.
Speaker 5: Well, just like the boot, right, somebody would have to
Speaker 5: come out and stick the suction cups after collecting your cash,
Speaker 5: and then they take the device back with them. But
Speaker 5: I assume that can be attacked with a portable angle grinder,
Speaker 5: just like a private boot could be.
Speaker 7: That is unbelievable. Removing the Barnacle parking device, the barnacle,
Speaker 7: the barnacle. It's easy to remove the Barnacle property device.
Speaker 7: It works with large suction cups and small suction pump.
Speaker 7: Every car has a lug wrench to change your tire,
Speaker 7: so you already have the tool you need. Just slide
Speaker 7: the flat side of the lug wrench up to the
Speaker 7: suction cup, push it in and twist slowly.
Speaker 6: It will break the seal.
Speaker 5: Well hopefully before it breaks your win shoe.
Speaker 7: I was just thinking that would suck. You crack your windshield,
Speaker 7: something will break. I guarantee you the barnacle. The barnacle
Speaker 7: will come off. But these people are getting kind of crazy,
Speaker 7: and I think I don't I would love to know
Speaker 7: if it's legal what they're doing or well. I guess
Speaker 7: it is legal to boot because you are actually doing
Speaker 7: it because of the apartment complex or the business, whatever
Speaker 7: it is. You're working for them and you're monitoring their
Speaker 7: parking lot. But I still don't understand what remedy to
Speaker 7: the booter if someone cuts.
Speaker 6: It off and throws it away.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would take a step back. I would ask
Speaker 5: John here for his opinion on the booters or the
Speaker 5: Barnacle operator's right to even touch your car, regardless of
Speaker 5: who ordered that.
Speaker 7: So when you move into an apartment, though, you sign
Speaker 7: a lease. In that lease, you're gonna have an agreement
Speaker 7: about where you're gonna park, and it's going to talk
Speaker 7: about a lot of that stuff. So I think there's
Speaker 7: probably no problem with it in a apartment situation under
Speaker 7: I'm not saying I'm not saying every lease is correct,
Speaker 7: but John thoughts.
Speaker 5: But Mark, But before we hear John's thoughts, the lease
Speaker 5: might also say no animals allowed in your apartment. But
Speaker 5: that doesn't give the property manager the right to come in,
Speaker 5: grab your cat while you're at work and do away
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 7: No, but habit If your cat was in someone else's apartment, well,
Speaker 7: just like your car is in someone else's space.
Speaker 5: Well no, if you have the right to be in
Speaker 5: that space, that's not something you're not going to.
Speaker 6: Go into your apartment and take anything.
Speaker 7: You're using the cat as an example, but if you're
Speaker 7: not supposed to have a gun, they're not going to
Speaker 7: go take it.
Speaker 5: But it's an analogy.
Speaker 7: If that cat was outside, I think they'd have the
Speaker 7: right to take the cat.
Speaker 5: In my hypothetical analogy for stuff.
Speaker 6: It was a horrible analogy.
Speaker 5: So let's get back to the basic of my premise,
Speaker 5: which is, Hey, it's my car. What right do you
Speaker 5: have to even touch it? Hover over it, scratch it
Speaker 5: with your belt buckle, potentially that kind of thing.
Speaker 7: Because you live there and it's their parking lot. Yeah,
Speaker 7: but it's still my car. You park it ball arena
Speaker 7: and you don't pay, you don't have whatever you're supposed
Speaker 7: to have down there to park, and they tell your
Speaker 7: car what right did they have to touch your car?
Speaker 5: In that Asselet's get back to the apartment complex and
Speaker 5: I have the right to be Yeah, what do you
Speaker 5: have against cats? I don't that's the point. I love
Speaker 5: my cat.
Speaker 11: I need to talk here. Listen.
Speaker 10: I don't think you have any rights when you park
Speaker 10: your vehicle on somebody else's problems.
Speaker 11: It's private property.
Speaker 10: They can dictate, you know, the terms that you can
Speaker 10: park on there or not park on there, and and
Speaker 10: you're subject to them.
Speaker 11: I don't think that you have if you've paid to
Speaker 11: be there.
Speaker 10: Well, if you paid, you have a limited license that
Speaker 10: that dictates your right to be there. But that doesn't
Speaker 10: mean that you have a property right that can't be
Speaker 10: you know, trespassed against or something. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 10: Maybe I'm wrong about it, but every lease.
Speaker 9: Every lease that I've signed, always has specific all tails
Speaker 9: about parking and the remedies thereof.
Speaker 10: Now, if they if limited, that's no different than you
Speaker 10: pay in the toll to go on a lot downtown.
Speaker 10: It's a limited license to use that property.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 10: All I'm saying is that doesn't create some you know,
Speaker 10: holy zone that they can't they can't walk across because
Speaker 10: that's now Ken's parking spot or Dmitri's parking spot.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 11: I just think that you have a right to park there,
Speaker 11: But it doesn't.
Speaker 10: It doesn't in any way foreclose the owner's right to
Speaker 10: police that property or to take action against you if
Speaker 10: you violated their terms.
Speaker 9: Right, I agree, That's what I was saying. It's always
Speaker 9: in every lease I've signed. Those provisions are.
Speaker 7: There yet almost everywhere, right, I mean, like for real? Hey, Alex,
Speaker 7: what's your question?
Speaker 2: Hello?
Speaker 14: Mark?
Speaker 6: Are you doing I'm doing.
Speaker 7: Good, Alex? What's going on?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 2: Okay? So, since you're used to have.
Speaker 7: A tire shop, right, yes, sir, I have a.
Speaker 15: Question about so when you replace a tire on a vehicle,
Speaker 15: it's a hard not to scratch the rim.
Speaker 7: Oh man, I'm saying. Oh, I'll tell you all about that.
Speaker 7: Let me take this break. That's a I wonder if
Speaker 7: he scratched somebody's rim, being the caller, Alex, or if
Speaker 7: his rim got But I, unfortunately have bought a lot
Speaker 7: of rims in my life and not for my own car.
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Speaker 7: I promise I'll bring you up right after this.
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Speaker 7: five five, you need some help. I also have a
Speaker 7: course attorney. Any auto accident, I have our personal injury attorney,
Speaker 7: John Fuller with us. He also does the show occasionally Forced,
Speaker 7: which is really cool. Let me get back to Alex,
Speaker 7: but three h three Martino. So Alex, I'm just curious.
Speaker 7: Is it your rim that got scratched or did you
Speaker 7: scratch your rim or what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's my vehicle.
Speaker 15: So I took it to the dealer yesterday because I
Speaker 15: had a puncher on the tire, yep, and they have
Speaker 15: to replace the tire.
Speaker 7: Is it brand new?
Speaker 15: Vehicle has less than eight thousand miles, The tires are pristine.
Speaker 15: So after they replace the tire, I look at the
Speaker 15: rim and it's all scratch.
Speaker 7: And what did they say?
Speaker 6: Did you bring it back to him?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 15: It was it was nice, So I didn't see it
Speaker 15: until this morning when I looked at the vehicle. So yeah,
Speaker 15: I'm gonna I'm gonna call him back.
Speaker 7: I would, honestly, I would drive down there. It's if
Speaker 7: I looked at it, I could tell you if the
Speaker 7: tire machine did it. But when you say it's scratch,
Speaker 7: what does that mean? Is it scratched like around the
Speaker 7: entire radius or what is it? Where is it scratched?
Speaker 15: Yeah, I can tell as a machine admit it because
Speaker 15: so it's on the list. Yeah, exactly, it's perfinitely perfectly
Speaker 15: round all the.
Speaker 6: Way around, all the way around.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So here's probably what happened. They use the wrong duckhead
Speaker 7: and what the duckhead is. So you have your tire
Speaker 7: machine and you basically have a duckhead that's either steal
Speaker 7: or plastic or graphite depending on the application.
Speaker 6: The worst thing that can happen.
Speaker 7: They use this steal one for really big truck tires,
Speaker 7: not nice rim truck tires, but steel wheel I mean
Speaker 7: big truck tires like you know, twenty two fives or
Speaker 7: nineteen five something like that, and they use they accidentally
Speaker 7: forget to take this steel duckhead off. Then they get
Speaker 7: a nice aluminum rim or a rim in there, and man,
Speaker 7: it can do exactly what you do. So I don't
Speaker 7: think you're going to have any argument. What they'll do
Speaker 7: is they're going to want to send that rim out
Speaker 7: and basically get it repaired. And most of the time
Speaker 7: that's fine. I mean, if they gouged it too deep,
Speaker 7: you can't get it repaired, they'd have to replace it.
Speaker 7: But they'll probably send it out it to get it refurbished.
Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, what dealer was it?
Speaker 15: It was the dealer over here in Loveland.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, well, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 16: Man.
Speaker 6: It's really not a big deal.
Speaker 11: Dude.
Speaker 6: They'll take it, uh and they'll take.
Speaker 7: Care of it. I wouldn't worry about it, honestly. And
Speaker 7: if they don't take care of it, call us back, man.
Speaker 7: I mean, we'll call over there. If they don't want
Speaker 7: to take care of it. Make sure you send me
Speaker 7: a picture of it so I can verify it as
Speaker 7: a tire machine. And I assume you haven't been anywhere else.
Speaker 7: And it only did it to the one tire, right
Speaker 7: or the one wheel that's the only one, because that was.
Speaker 6: The only flat y had.
Speaker 7: It was the only one. It's not like you bought
Speaker 7: tires because usually what happens is people realize they have
Speaker 7: the wrong duckhad on pretty quick and it's always on
Speaker 7: that first rim.
Speaker 6: Then they'll pull that duck head off and put the
Speaker 6: right one on. Yeah.
Speaker 15: No, And I took a picture right before I dropped
Speaker 15: the car of the dealership.
Speaker 14: That's smart because I had issues.
Speaker 15: I had issues in the past, so I took a
Speaker 15: picture of the rim.
Speaker 7: And Uh, that's really smart.
Speaker 17: I mean I.
Speaker 15: Couldn't see it last night because it was dark, but
Speaker 15: this morning I can.
Speaker 7: Tell Yeah, yep, bring it back. Tell them, but don't
Speaker 7: be afraid. If they just want to get it refurbished,
Speaker 7: it'll look perfect.
Speaker 6: Bro Okay, all right, see Alex appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Bye, all right? Three o three seven one three eight
Speaker 7: two five five. That's pretty smart to him. Guys, Uh
Speaker 7: taking that picture? You know where?
Speaker 6: I do that all the time? John, Do you rent
Speaker 6: cars a lot?
Speaker 11: Not too much.
Speaker 6: I rent cars all the time, and I always walk
Speaker 6: around with the camera.
Speaker 10: Yeah I've I'll tell you when I have actually done
Speaker 10: that is with U haul truck. Oh yeah, because there
Speaker 10: is not a pristine U haul truck in this country.
Speaker 11: I don't believe.
Speaker 10: No, that hasn't been for the rider's under a tree,
Speaker 10: over a curb, into a wall, you know, into a
Speaker 10: loading dog whatever they do to them.
Speaker 11: They're all banged up. And we had.
Speaker 7: One stolen by a homeless guy yesterday on the shelf.
Speaker 10: If you don't protect yourself and take all your pictures,
Speaker 10: you're subject to get charged for all that stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know it's pretty wild.
Speaker 7: Anytime I pick up a rental car, okay, I go
Speaker 7: a step further. I'll walk around it with the video
Speaker 7: camera on. It only takes a minute. It's no big deal.
Speaker 7: And I'll point out every little thing I have just
Speaker 7: by talking. Even if it looks like a scratch. I'll say, oh,
Speaker 7: in a scratch there, and then here's this and blah
Speaker 7: blah blah. But I've never had an issue. We get
Speaker 7: a lot of calls where people return it and you know,
Speaker 7: four or five months later, their credit card's getting hit.
Speaker 7: It's just never happened to me. I've never had it now.
Speaker 7: I did back out one time. It was in Texas,
Speaker 7: Dallas Fort Worth Airport, man and I stay a hotel
Speaker 7: and I'll never do it again. That was on the
Speaker 7: airport grounds. So every time you left a hotel to
Speaker 7: go somewhere, you had to go through all the gates. Basically,
Speaker 7: pay a toll is what it came down to and
Speaker 7: I went down the wrong one, so I had to
Speaker 7: back out and go over to one where there was
Speaker 7: a human and man, I hit this metal.
Speaker 6: Gate and scratched the entire car down the side. Oh
Speaker 6: my goodness. I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 7: But my credit card ended up paying for it ultimately,
Speaker 7: so I had coverage on my credit card so I
Speaker 7: didn't have to put it through my own insurance.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 7: Three zero three, seven, one, three eight two five five.
Speaker 7: By the way, coming up eleven o'clock or eleven oh five.
Speaker 7: John Bolin, he's the attorney that actually sued Colorado over
Speaker 7: these seventy five dollars tickets. He's thinking of getting everybody
Speaker 7: together and doing basically a class action and going after
Speaker 7: the State of Colorado for everybody that's paid the seventy
Speaker 7: five bucks. I'm dying to hear this guy's story. Now,
Speaker 7: he's an attorney, so it's interesting. Most of us are
Speaker 7: not going to fight it to that level and sue
Speaker 7: the State of Colorado. That's gotta that's gotta take a
Speaker 7: lot of time, right John, I mean, just sue a state.
Speaker 11: God love him.
Speaker 7: Well, we're gonna see what happens. Three oh three seven
Speaker 7: one three talk.
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Speaker 7: All right, three oh three seven one three eight two
Speaker 7: five five. Hey Jim, what is going on with you
Speaker 7: and Champion Windows?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 14: So we're coming up in June. It's going to be
Speaker 14: two years since they started the job.
Speaker 17: All right.
Speaker 14: I have contacted the number of times.
Speaker 7: It's amazing.
Speaker 14: They replaced windows and then a signing last door.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 14: They left my home a total work With the first
Speaker 14: crew that came in here, they did a lot of
Speaker 14: dammage inside. They broke glass all over my all over
Speaker 14: the house inside. They there are class chips on the
Speaker 14: beds every day. They even used what we use our
Speaker 14: vacuum cleaner to clean up after themselves, which damny's the
Speaker 14: vacuum cleaner. I mean, just just incredible. Sent another crew in,
Speaker 14: they took pictures. I took pictures of it all, sent
Speaker 14: it all into them, and I mean it was just
Speaker 14: just just horrible. The you know, the service, the workmanship, everything.
Speaker 14: And the other crew came in, they saw what they'd
Speaker 14: done and they agreed that It's like, you know, this
Speaker 14: is horrible. This is just amazing. I can't believe that
Speaker 14: they left you this way and they fixed what they could.
Speaker 14: They're supposed to replace a screen on a sliding glass door,
Speaker 14: it's the wrong type, the wrong color, and so forth.
Speaker 14: They contacted me other times. One guy came out still
Speaker 14: didn't have the right one. They still want to the
Speaker 14: money in order to finish it, but it's like, I'm
Speaker 14: not going to pay that additional amount.
Speaker 7: And how much do you owe? How much do you
Speaker 7: owe them?
Speaker 14: Little over three thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: And are they saying that's the reason why they're not
Speaker 7: finishing this warranty work and replacing the wrong items stuff
Speaker 7: like that.
Speaker 14: No, no, no, because I've talked to them and they said,
Speaker 14: oh yeah, we'll get somebody out and they didn't and
Speaker 14: then they said, well, I said, can you connect you
Speaker 14: with the manager? And that hasn't happened either.
Speaker 7: You know, ever since, ever since Great Day Improvements brought
Speaker 7: to these guys, I think it was twenty one or
Speaker 7: twenty two. I've never seen a company in my life
Speaker 7: go to hell so fast. I just haven't seen it.
Speaker 7: There was a period of time last quarter or actually
Speaker 7: not last quarter, but the end of last year twenty
Speaker 7: twenty four. I mean, we got so many complaints on him.
Speaker 7: It was almost weekly at one point. And what I
Speaker 7: learned is there's really no one to complain to except
Speaker 7: for the guy that you basically worked with who either
Speaker 7: sold you the windows or was like your project manager.
Speaker 6: Is that still the case or has that changed?
Speaker 17: Well?
Speaker 14: No, I mean I contacted the sales then and about
Speaker 14: the initially right after this, that first group came in
Speaker 14: and they destroyed everything all he said, I'll take care
Speaker 14: of it. Diver heard back from him. So I contacted
Speaker 14: the service manager at the time. That guy's last name
Speaker 14: was Trojan, and he basically you know, didn't answer, didn't
Speaker 14: answer phone calls. He called me one time after that
Speaker 14: to say, hey, who's the last guy.
Speaker 6: You talked to over there, Jill.
Speaker 14: Man, if I talked to anybody, it was, it was
Speaker 14: somebody in their Listen.
Speaker 7: Here's what I want. Let me put you on hold.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna keep you on, but I want you to
Speaker 7: give Kelly a name of someone that we can call.
Speaker 7: I want to put a deputy on it right away
Speaker 7: to see if they can call over the break. And
Speaker 7: I want to figure out, uh, what what's going on?
Speaker 7: I mean, and if they don't want to answer us,
Speaker 7: I mean, we can you know what we can do? Dragon,
Speaker 7: I let that guy talk for about a minute without
Speaker 7: interrupting on purpose. I generally don't do that. I would
Speaker 7: like if you could to put together a quick thirty
Speaker 7: second commercial four Champion using this caller's minute long speech.
Speaker 7: Can you do that during the break? You get the idea.
Speaker 7: So let's see. Let's see if Champion will talk to
Speaker 7: us three oh three seven, one, three eight.
Speaker 6: Two five five. Don't forget John Bolan coming up.
Speaker 7: We're gonna be talking about those seventy five dollars tickets.
Speaker 7: He actually took Colorado State to court and won. He
Speaker 7: got his seventy five bucks back.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Tom Martine, Welcome my friends to the only Chauvis Guy.
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Speaker 7: You ready for this? Three h three Martino, that's the number.
Speaker 7: Now I have one line open now, John Bolan, I
Speaker 7: am so interested in this. Kelly sent me an article.
Speaker 7: It was a nine News. I'm gonna bring John up. John.
Speaker 7: I'll introduce you a little better in a second. But
Speaker 7: Kelly sent me this article, guys, and it was on
Speaker 7: nine News, or maybe it was Fox thirty one. I forget,
Speaker 7: but anyhow, I click on it. And here's a little
Speaker 7: short story about John Bolan. We have had so many
Speaker 7: calls John right to the show in the past, I'd
Speaker 7: say six months that you couldn't believe it of people
Speaker 7: saying I had to exit out of one of these
Speaker 7: express lanes because I almost missed my exit, or I
Speaker 7: accidentally swerved because someone was coming over and I swerved
Speaker 7: past the double lines. And you know, everybody's got an excuse.
Speaker 7: So I'll say that everybody's got an excuse of why
Speaker 7: they did it. Did you guys know Martino actually got one,
Speaker 7: so Tom actually got one as well. And Tom claimed
Speaker 7: up and down. I never went over the double lines.
Speaker 7: But interestingly enough, I get all his mail because I'm
Speaker 7: not even going to go into why, but I get it.
Speaker 6: So I opened it up and there was a picture.
Speaker 11: Of Tom over the line over the life.
Speaker 7: So everybody says they don't do it, but what John
Speaker 7: Boland did?
Speaker 6: And John, you're an attorney, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, sure am.
Speaker 7: I love this.
Speaker 6: I absolutely love this.
Speaker 7: Why don't you tell us your story on how and
Speaker 7: what infraction to begin with?
Speaker 6: What happened and where was it?
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, yeah, I got one of these
Speaker 1: notices of civil penalties in the mail from something that
Speaker 1: happened back in May last year, one seventy. I was
Speaker 1: going north down on I twenty five to get on
Speaker 1: westbound Sea for seventy and you know there there's a flyover, yep.
Speaker 1: And the entrance to the tolane is actually on the flyover,
Speaker 1: So if you miss that, then you've got to take
Speaker 1: the rest of that flyover and the roads eventually come
Speaker 1: together next to each other and you can hop in
Speaker 1: the to lane there.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 7: I can picture it perfectly, and I've actually done that
Speaker 7: same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was just in the car distracted
Speaker 1: enough by my kids probably to have missed the GPS
Speaker 1: instructions that I needed to go lest and get in
Speaker 1: that thing. And so I just hopped in as soon
Speaker 1: as the lanes came together, which was over the double
Speaker 1: white line. Like you say, I have lots of us
Speaker 1: do it. And you know I intended to pay the toll,
Speaker 1: and I did pay the toll. I've got one of
Speaker 1: those transponders on the window, and I paid the toll
Speaker 1: and I went on my way. And so I got
Speaker 1: this notice of civil penalty in the mail that I
Speaker 1: committed a safety violation, yes white line. And I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, Okay, I mean that sounds legit. It might
Speaker 1: have been the wrong thing to cross that double white line.
Speaker 1: So I looked up the statute.
Speaker 7: Is the statute, I'm curious?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the statute is in the Colorado Advised Statues.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 1: The number here is forty three dash four eight.
Speaker 7: Eight forty three dash four dash what eight eight eight eight?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 6: Keep going, man, I wanted to pull it up to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pull it up. That's the statue to theay
Speaker 1: cite in their notice of civil penalty that says I
Speaker 1: committed a safety violation. But that statute says that they're
Speaker 1: empowered send out these civil penalties or total eVision.
Speaker 7: Not for crossing I see what you're saying, Not for
Speaker 7: crossing the double lines, but for someone that maybe doesn't
Speaker 7: have an account and they use the express lane and
Speaker 7: their license plates picked up by the camera and they
Speaker 7: get charged or whoever gets charged it owns a vehicle
Speaker 7: and they don't pay it.
Speaker 6: That's what the civil penalty is for.
Speaker 5: Sure.
Speaker 1: Or if they're getting the lane and then they see
Speaker 1: the little toll taker device coming up and they hop
Speaker 1: out of the lane to miss that and get back
Speaker 1: in right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, to avoidable avision.
Speaker 1: Sure, And that would be crossing the line in order
Speaker 1: to commit.
Speaker 17: To all avision.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it would be.
Speaker 1: But I didn't do that. I paid the toll. I
Speaker 1: wanted to pay the toll. I just got in a
Speaker 1: little late. In fact, I got less than I paid
Speaker 1: for because I didn't travel the lane the whole time.
Speaker 17: You know.
Speaker 7: Well, so what we hear though, is if something happens
Speaker 7: like that, and I want to be very clear on this,
Speaker 7: you got charged through your transponder for that toll that
Speaker 7: section that you ended up in, and then you exited
Speaker 7: because you didn't want to, of course, pay the toll
Speaker 7: in the next section, so you got out before the
Speaker 7: next section. But they billed you not only for the
Speaker 7: toll you paid that, but they also were trying to
Speaker 7: get seventy five bucks because you exited early.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. I actually took two sections and paid
Speaker 1: for both of them, and then I hopped out where
Speaker 1: I wanted to go, and I still got this notice
Speaker 1: of civil penalty for seventy five bucks.
Speaker 7: Now somewhere on that notice, because I've seen plenty of them,
Speaker 7: they are like, you can go to this website and
Speaker 7: upload any evidence you have and actually get a hearing.
Speaker 6: Did you do that?
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 1: They've got a two step process. The first is, you know,
Speaker 1: just submitting by text on their website, I think, or
Speaker 1: by email. Here's why I think there's a problem. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was denied within forty minutes.
Speaker 6: Oh my god. So it's probably an auto response.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 7: That's crazy, Literally in forty minutes. And what did you
Speaker 7: put in that first thing? Like, hey, I paid the
Speaker 7: toll and I wanted to get out, or I mean,
Speaker 7: what did you put?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I put the same thing that I'm saying to
Speaker 1: you right now, which is that got it patute? And
Speaker 1: the regulation supporting it is for toll eVision. But I
Speaker 1: paid the toll, so I can't be evading it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So then what they declined it in forty minutes?
Speaker 7: What's step two?
Speaker 13: Yes?
Speaker 1: Up to In that same email where they decline it,
Speaker 1: they say you can have a hearing and administrative hearing
Speaker 1: and if you want to set one up, here's a link,
Speaker 1: and you set it up and you go to a
Speaker 1: virtual hearing like zoom A yeah, like zoom, and this
Speaker 1: is with an administrative hearing officer.
Speaker 7: Hey, John, let me let me John, let me ask
Speaker 7: you something real quick before we go on to this
Speaker 7: second one. Isn't there a time frame you have to
Speaker 7: follow too? So, in other words, if they send the
Speaker 7: notice out and you don't request the hearing an X
Speaker 7: amount of days, don't you give up the right to
Speaker 7: the hearing or something like that?
Speaker 17: Yes?
Speaker 1: I believe that they stated a time frame that you've got.
Speaker 7: To so you were within all these time frames. Yep, Okay,
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, continue on, Yeah.
Speaker 1: No problem. So this is a hearing on zoom with
Speaker 1: what's called an administrative hearing officer, not a judge in
Speaker 1: our state system. And these people are lawyers who are
Speaker 1: employees of the tolling authority.
Speaker 7: So it sounds like the worst setup ever. It's like
Speaker 7: the mafia, keep going, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Exactly, it's their tooling authority itself deciding whether it is wrong.
Speaker 6: Nobody impartial think about that. It's crazy.
Speaker 7: No one impartial, like inn a magistrate or a judge
Speaker 7: or anybody.
Speaker 6: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to pay thirty dollars in order
Speaker 1: to have this hearing as well.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, so now you're paying half half of
Speaker 7: what the ticket is.
Speaker 6: How long was the hearing?
Speaker 1: Not long, you know, probably fifteen minutes, depending on how
Speaker 1: much you want to present your own favor, which I
Speaker 1: did present. I just presented the evidence that I had
Speaker 1: paid the toll that day. Yeah, and that was it.
Speaker 1: And I made my argument the same argument, and the
Speaker 1: administrange hearing officer rejected it hands and that was the
Speaker 1: end of it.
Speaker 7: And what happens, I mean, do they do they let
Speaker 7: you know at that moment that you lost or do
Speaker 7: they let you wait a couple of weeks and tell
Speaker 7: you like they're actually thinking about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they let me know that moment you ruled against
Speaker 1: me right there?
Speaker 6: And what was there?
Speaker 7: What was their reasoning when you tell them, Look, here's
Speaker 7: the statute and it says this toll evasion. And as
Speaker 7: you can see by this statement, I assume that I
Speaker 7: paid the toll.
Speaker 6: What do they say?
Speaker 1: So the she was referring to the regulation And I
Speaker 1: can give you the citation for that regulation as well
Speaker 1: if you like.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's two CCR six O six.
Speaker 6: Dash one and get what's the gist of it?
Speaker 1: And this is how the power to High Performance Transportation
Speaker 1: enterprises the tolling authority. This is how they define toll evasion.
Speaker 7: Oh and inside of that, how do they define it
Speaker 7: crossing over the double lines?
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 18: They've got a section here that says alevision is, among
Speaker 18: other things, failing to pay a toll or avoiding a
Speaker 18: toll by entering or exiting the lane other than other
Speaker 18: designated access point and are.
Speaker 1: Swerving between the lanes, which they call weaving. And that's
Speaker 1: the scenario that we just talked about, right, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: exactly so they can skip the toll.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well that I would think that was the intent
Speaker 7: of that law. I don't think the intent was what
Speaker 7: happened to you where you pay the toll and you
Speaker 7: get out because on that place at C four seventy
Speaker 7: and twenty five, and I don't care what direction you're coming,
Speaker 7: you can easily get in that left lane on accident
Speaker 7: or someone might do it.
Speaker 6: And if you notice it the long.
Speaker 7: Last time, I mean there's a medium of cement about
Speaker 7: two feet right there. So what did you do after that?
Speaker 1: After the administrative hearing?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you lose at the administrative hearing and
Speaker 1: you still want to pursue your additional rights, they have
Speaker 1: some information on the website saying how you appeal to
Speaker 1: the county court the county where this where this all happened.
Speaker 7: So Douglas County, I assume Douglas County. So you go
Speaker 7: to Douglas County, go ahead, yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, You've got to file a petition what they call it,
Speaker 1: which is essentially complaint to start a whole lawsuit in
Speaker 1: the county court.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because basically government immunity and other issues. When you
Speaker 7: go after a municipality or a county in your case,
Speaker 7: or even a state, you have to give them notice.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 7: So you give them, you give them the proper notice
Speaker 7: and I assume you literally file lawsted.
Speaker 6: Let me put you on hold.
Speaker 7: I got to take this break, but man, I love
Speaker 7: it so now think of all these hoops and he's
Speaker 7: an attorney. How many normal well when I say normal people,
Speaker 7: how many non attorneys would ever go through this?
Speaker 6: It's guys like this.
Speaker 11: I love.
Speaker 6: Hold on, John, hold on.
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Speaker 7: All right, three oh three seven one three eight two
Speaker 7: five five listen. I want to jump right back to John.
Speaker 7: And he was great enough to come on the show.
Speaker 7: He's an attorney. He got a seventy five dollars ticket
Speaker 7: for crossing the double lines out there.
Speaker 6: He actually paid.
Speaker 7: He actually ended up because he had a transponder, of course,
Speaker 7: paying for that section E road, and then he got
Speaker 7: out went through the double lines. Now granted you're not
Speaker 7: supposed to do that, John, I did want to ask
Speaker 7: you something.
Speaker 6: Were you exiting Quebec right there?
Speaker 1: No, I went all the way to Broadway. I was
Speaker 1: headed over to see a Cranberry's cover band. Got it
Speaker 1: my wife's fortieth birthday with a bunch of friends down
Speaker 1: at the pro.
Speaker 6: Screwing nice cool. So I get you there.
Speaker 7: So basically you went through the first part is where
Speaker 7: you go on Colorado's website or whatever the website is
Speaker 7: and say, hey, you know, here's the deal. And then
Speaker 7: you went through a hearing over zoom or whatever the
Speaker 7: state uses, and you lost that. Then you actually told
Speaker 7: Douglas County you were going to file a lawsuit about this,
Speaker 7: and then you actually filed a lawsuit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, And you hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not the this is not an
Speaker 1: easy process for a layperson to follow.
Speaker 6: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 7: And what's even more ridiculous on that note, John, from
Speaker 7: what I've learned from you, because I haven't talked to
Speaker 7: anybody that actually went through the second thing you went
Speaker 7: through where you've got to pay thirty bucks for the hearing.
Speaker 7: But you said, I mean you spend fifteen minutes, and
Speaker 7: they're like nope. And these people basically work for the
Speaker 7: same people they gave you the ticket. But so what
Speaker 7: happens when you get in front of a real judge
Speaker 7: in fact, who's there for the state or for the county?
Speaker 6: Who actually is it?
Speaker 1: So the Attorney General's Office showed up to defend the
Speaker 1: tolling authority.
Speaker 6: I bet they hated this.
Speaker 7: They're thinking, oh, man, if they lose this, they're going
Speaker 7: to have everybody out there trying to fight like this
Speaker 7: guy is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's lots of folks who are unhappy
Speaker 1: about these tickets. I've heard from over five hundred myself
Speaker 1: since that article came out Monday afternoon. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: the Attorney General's office is the are the folks handling this?
Speaker 1: That's one of the difficulties. It's pretty difficult enough to
Speaker 1: figure out how to write your complaint and get what's
Speaker 1: called the summons together, get this stuff on file with
Speaker 1: the court, but you also have to serve people to
Speaker 1: bring them into court.
Speaker 11: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure your listeners have heard of that. All
Speaker 1: that means is that you have to have a responsible
Speaker 1: adult physically hand the papers to the person.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And we do that because then the person we
Speaker 1: know that they got the papers, and also it impresses
Speaker 1: on them. And this is a big deal because people
Speaker 1: don't just walk up and hand you legal papers every day.
Speaker 7: Did they make you actually did you have to go
Speaker 7: through discovery?
Speaker 1: I know we did not have to do any discovery
Speaker 1: in my case. I kept it pretty simple, got it.
Speaker 1: If you needed some of that, you could get it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but you didn't need anything. I mean, you've got
Speaker 7: everything right there in the statute itself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I get it.
Speaker 7: So what was I assume you get up there and
Speaker 7: you're basically saying the same thing you've said three times
Speaker 7: at this point, and you have lost every step of
Speaker 7: the way.
Speaker 6: What was different with the judge?
Speaker 7: I mean, really, in your own mind, why did the
Speaker 7: judge find that the state was wrong or the county
Speaker 7: or whatever it is having What did the judge see
Speaker 7: differently than everybody else you dealt with before?
Speaker 1: Well, you know the other processes I would label a
Speaker 1: rubber stamp because they're employed by the toiling authority, and
Speaker 1: their job is to unless it's a pretty clear cut
Speaker 1: thing like I wasn't driving or the car was stolen. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: their job is to let the ticket stand. But the judge,
Speaker 1: you know, this is an independent process. He's not employed
Speaker 1: by those folks, so he's taking an independent look at things.
Speaker 1: And you know, I felt that I was right about
Speaker 1: what the statue says and about what the regulations say,
Speaker 1: and that what matters here is that no one was
Speaker 1: trying to evade a toll. Yeah, so the judge ultimately
Speaker 1: agreed with me.
Speaker 7: Did he agree that the statute doesn't fit the crime?
Speaker 7: In other words, like if you get arrested for murder
Speaker 7: and you were jaywalking, I mean, that's just an absurdity.
Speaker 7: Did he kind of look at it like that, like
Speaker 7: it wasn't toll evasion? Or was he talking about just
Speaker 7: your I guess my question is was he talking about
Speaker 7: just your specific issue or is he setting precedent that
Speaker 7: they can't do this to anybody and it's going to
Speaker 7: change the rules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was talking about my specific case. And you know,
Speaker 1: the word precedent has two different meanings. One is is
Speaker 1: there any other court that has to do exactly what
Speaker 1: this judge did because they're bound under the law to
Speaker 1: do it. Like when we talk about the United States
Speaker 1: Supreme Court.
Speaker 6: Sure, all the.
Speaker 1: Lower courts are bound to do what they say, and
Speaker 1: that's not the case with the Colorado County Court got it.
Speaker 1: But is it precedent in the sense that there's.
Speaker 7: A ruling out there that was in the favor of
Speaker 7: the poor guy that got seventy five dollars ticket. I mean,
Speaker 7: that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I will call that persuasive.
Speaker 7: Now, let me ask you. I was thinking, because I
Speaker 7: heard either I either read or saw it in one
Speaker 7: of the interviews I saw with you, that you're thinking
Speaker 7: about a class action and that's kind of an amazing
Speaker 7: thing to do for two reasons. One, it would punish
Speaker 7: them for doing this if they're not supposed to be
Speaker 7: doing it. Or it would make them define and do
Speaker 7: this in a better way to where they're within their law.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's obvious a judge is saying what they
Speaker 7: did was horrible.
Speaker 6: So I mean, how serious are you on that?
Speaker 7: Because if there's a thousand people right now and then
Speaker 7: after our podcast, you know that's fifty thousand people a
Speaker 7: month plus our YouTube and our Facebook and everything. I mean,
Speaker 7: if you if you literally got five hundred, one thousand
Speaker 7: people that had these tickets, they wouldn't have to really
Speaker 7: do anything.
Speaker 6: They're just going to be part of the class.
Speaker 7: You guys will figure out if they fit the class
Speaker 7: or the criteria. But how serious are you in putting
Speaker 7: a class together?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're working on putting one together right now. We
Speaker 1: are serious. And because I think that this situation is
Speaker 1: exactly what class actions were made for it they are
Speaker 1: this is a seventy five this is a seventy five
Speaker 1: dollars ticket, and so it makes no sense. You can't
Speaker 1: find a lawyer to go fight a seventy five dollars Well.
Speaker 7: You could have three or four hundred bucks an hour. Yeah,
Speaker 7: yeah you could. You could find an attorney to do it,
Speaker 7: but it would be an absurdity, Like literally, it would
Speaker 7: be absurd. But so you guys are going to do this.
Speaker 7: The class action people just sit back, you know, you
Speaker 7: know they're probably going to end up with not much,
Speaker 7: but who cares what it does.
Speaker 6: It's bigger.
Speaker 7: It's telling the state you're not allowed to do something
Speaker 7: like this.
Speaker 6: You just simply can't do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's exactly right. I think that they
Speaker 1: are acting outside of the authority that was granted by
Speaker 1: the General Assembly. And if they want additional authority, they
Speaker 1: want to be able to enforce people crossing the line
Speaker 1: even if they paid the toll, then you know the
Speaker 1: right way to go about that is to go and
Speaker 1: get that authority.
Speaker 6: Hey, John, what phone number? What phone number?
Speaker 7: Or email? What contact information for anybody listening that has
Speaker 7: been affected, no matter what, just has received and paid
Speaker 7: one of these seventy five dollar tickets for crossing the
Speaker 7: double lines in Colorado? How can people at least get
Speaker 7: their name to you? And do you want like a
Speaker 7: picture of their notice? Just give me some real basics
Speaker 7: where to start telling people to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a form on our website. The website is
Speaker 1: www dot bow sh dot com.
Speaker 6: Well well d ow like dw what.
Speaker 1: Bow oho, oscar whiskey the at Charliehotel dot com.
Speaker 11: Got it, that's the spot.
Speaker 1: And so they can get their name, email address and
Speaker 1: a brief description of you know, their case in there.
Speaker 1: We don't have to represent every single person in a class.
Speaker 1: What you do is we'll find a few representatives, maybe
Speaker 1: five to ten that you know they have in common
Speaker 1: everything with the class, and then we can just crosscheck
Speaker 1: and verify from the people that submit into our forums.
Speaker 14: There.
Speaker 1: I love it that they're in the class. Yep, we
Speaker 1: get the info.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so just so people know real general, the class
Speaker 7: means this. It all has to be the same. So
Speaker 7: in other words, if you were actually trying to evade
Speaker 7: the toll, that's not part of this class. If you
Speaker 7: didn't pay the toll, that's not part of this class.
Speaker 7: This is someone that either accidentally or whatever, ended up
Speaker 7: paying the toll and crossed the double lines. And unfortunately,
Speaker 7: there's thousands of people listening that have got this. John Fuller,
Speaker 7: didn't you say you got one of these tickets?
Speaker 11: Yeah? I did.
Speaker 10: I don't know that mine was accidentally. I think I
Speaker 10: cut the corner just a little bit too early or
Speaker 10: we'll see it. But that's bys because you paid the
Speaker 10: toll as well. Yeah, I paid the toll every day
Speaker 10: of my life, it seems like. But yeah, I nonetheless
Speaker 10: had a welcome in a letter at my house for
Speaker 10: seventy five bucks.
Speaker 6: Hey, John, give me that. Give the website one more time.
Speaker 1: Yes, www dot bow sh dot com. Bravo, Oscar Whiskey
Speaker 1: Sierra Charlie Hotel.
Speaker 7: Got it, Bowlin and Shaw Attorneys, and you guys could
Speaker 7: do it right there. So anybody out there listening, Hey, man,
Speaker 7: great story. Really appreciate you taking the time. And I'm
Speaker 7: gonna make sure anybody that calls with you seventy five
Speaker 7: dollars tickets. I can't believe how many we get that
Speaker 7: literally paid the toll. We're gonna have him go right
Speaker 7: to that website for you. So it was great talking
Speaker 7: to you, and uh, hopefully I meet you in person someday.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: Hey, good work too, really good work.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you got it. John, that's John Bolan and once
Speaker 7: again bouch. So it's b O w sch dot com.
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Speaker 7: All right, three oh three seven one three eight two
Speaker 7: five five. Man, I just learned my fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 7: German shepherd Niko is now worth I think it works
Speaker 7: this way, is now worth almost four thousand. Let me
Speaker 7: tell you why, uh Suzanne brought him up to CSU
Speaker 7: and by the way, probably not even arguably, probably one
Speaker 7: of two of the best veterinarian schools and people there,
Speaker 7: the professors, the whatever they're called events, they got to
Speaker 7: do an MRI. So I got a I got to
Speaker 7: put about two more grand into this dog I paid
Speaker 7: fifteen hundred for and then we'll figure out what's going
Speaker 7: on with them. Fine, but you know what I got
Speaker 7: him to throw in, guys, because when you put a
Speaker 7: dog through an MRI, of course you got to knock
Speaker 7: him out. I mean, he's gonna be out. But I
Speaker 7: got him to throw in, John, You're gonna be proud
Speaker 7: of me a nail clipping. So while he's out there,
Speaker 7: gonna co ed and clip his nails. As a added bonus.
Speaker 10: You got to throw in like they express, the anal
Speaker 10: glands and all that stuff to let me ask you.
Speaker 7: What's the most? And I pro I'm gonna get listen.
Speaker 7: I've got tire, Shelley and Stephanie. I'm gonna get right
Speaker 7: with you, guys. I promise I will on the phones.
Speaker 7: But what's the most you've ever dropped on a dog?
Speaker 7: John seriously? Or a pet?
Speaker 6: Give me a And I mean at one time, not
Speaker 6: over a lifetime.
Speaker 10: I don't know. We'sed to own horses. Man, that's a
Speaker 10: whole different case.
Speaker 7: No, no, not fair, not fair.
Speaker 11: I know it's not.
Speaker 10: But dogg or cat, I don't know, my wife, and
Speaker 10: I mean we dropped a grand on pulling teeth out
Speaker 10: of a Chihuahua. I mean, I'm just waiting for this dog.
Speaker 10: You don't have fly, I'm waiting for this dog to
Speaker 10: run out of teeth. It seems like every time you
Speaker 10: go in there, they pull like seven or.
Speaker 11: Eight of them.
Speaker 6: You know they're regrowing. I think they are growing.
Speaker 10: They keep pulling him out to the tune of like
Speaker 10: a grand every time.
Speaker 11: It seems like maybe.
Speaker 9: It's a baby shock and out of Chiuaha.
Speaker 7: That's the most in one.
Speaker 11: I know we spent way more than that. How about
Speaker 11: two three grand? Four grand?
Speaker 5: Mark a few years ago, I lost the twenty year
Speaker 5: old cat, and I spent a few thousand dollars in
Speaker 5: her last few months. But the last few months, yeah,
Speaker 5: and I would have given her some of my time
Speaker 5: if I could.
Speaker 7: I know a guy in the last six months spent
Speaker 7: twenty thousand dollars on heart surgery on a little dog,
Speaker 7: twenty thousand dollars and it actually lasted a little bit,
Speaker 7: but I don't think he got his money's worth. A
Speaker 7: dog was somewhat old too. We all get there. I
Speaker 7: spend seven grand on Ashitsu. One time we were out
Speaker 7: of town and we had a house sitter. Her name
Speaker 7: was Lana. She moved our car out of our garage
Speaker 7: so she could park in the garage while she was
Speaker 7: their house sitting and dog sitting. She ran over our
Speaker 7: dog in our car in our driveway, got them up
Speaker 7: to the vet. We were with the kids, our kids
Speaker 7: were really young, at Lego Land in SeaWorld in California,
Speaker 7: San Diego area. Get a call at one o'clock in
Speaker 7: the morning from Lanta. She's at the vet and needs
Speaker 7: to know if we're going to approve two thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: And we're like, well, yeah, I mean what happened, she
Speaker 7: told us. So we approved two grand. We get a
Speaker 7: call back. By the time the night was over, we're
Speaker 7: seven grand deep in this dog.
Speaker 10: We're gonna need a different credit card, sir, that one's
Speaker 10: not going through it.
Speaker 6: So we're seven grand deep into this dog.
Speaker 7: And that was it. That dog lived another three or
Speaker 7: four years. I'm going to tell you something that is
Speaker 7: absolutely unbelievable. Remember our house sitter ran over our dog
Speaker 7: in our car and our driveway. I would say two
Speaker 7: three years later, I get a check from her dad.
Speaker 6: She was seventeen at the time.
Speaker 7: I get a check from her dad from his insurance
Speaker 7: company I think it was State Farm for seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: He turned it into his homeowners. Now Wyatt took two years.
Speaker 7: I would have no idea. I didn't even know what
Speaker 7: was going on, but we got reinburse seven grand. Listen, Stephanie,
Speaker 7: Tire and Shelley. I promise I'm going direct to you.
Speaker 7: One of them's got a problem with the Denver police
Speaker 7: towing their car. An issue with the car accident, that's
Speaker 7: going to be right up John Fuller's alley big time.
Speaker 7: And then Stephanie an issue with a flood and a
Speaker 7: crawl space that can be catastrophic. Hold on.
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Speaker 7: to whoever's been holding the longest and we're just going
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Speaker 7: So the first one up is going to be Shelley. Shelley,
Speaker 7: what is going on with you? Shelley hold on? That's
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Speaker 17: Hi? Two days ago, my thirty two foot motor coach
Speaker 17: which I was living in, and I was parked outside
Speaker 17: of a friend's house, which would they were okay with
Speaker 17: me being there? Anyway, long story for it. I posted
Speaker 17: a notice from the cops that I had to move
Speaker 17: it seven hundred feet, which is ridiculous because three days later, Hey, where.
Speaker 7: Is this, Shelley?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 7: Downtown Denver, is it?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 6: Okay, so it's city.
Speaker 17: City Denver, downtown, not down I'm sorry. It was on
Speaker 17: Chelton Hooker Okay, still Denver. So I rented the truck,
Speaker 17: moved it to seven hundred feet they required, and as
Speaker 17: soon as I was returning from bringing the truck back, cops,
Speaker 17: the fire department, everything there, they towed my my IRV.
Speaker 17: That's the roof over my head.
Speaker 7: So wait a second, I just really want to understand this.
Speaker 7: So they first didn't toe it. They put a notice
Speaker 7: say you had to move it seven hundred feet. Now
Speaker 7: is that a rule like you can't be in the
Speaker 7: same spot for X amount of time?
Speaker 6: Why are they telling you to move it the seven hundred.
Speaker 17: Feet Apparently you can't move hips more than three days.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's just.
Speaker 6: An ordinance of some deal.
Speaker 7: So when you moved it somewhere else, did you park
Speaker 7: somewhere where they could immediately toe it? What I don't
Speaker 7: understand is why didn't they just immediately tow it where
Speaker 7: you were? But now they towed it when you moved
Speaker 7: like they asked you to move.
Speaker 17: I honestly I couldn't even tell you. I just know
Speaker 17: that I live in compliance with the notice and that
Speaker 17: my biggest issue is, I mean they destroyed that. The
Speaker 17: right half of the windshield is completely gone. I don't
Speaker 17: know what happened to that. My stuff was everywhere, lots
Speaker 17: of things broken. They gave me fifteen minutes to remove
Speaker 17: all and that's my That's where I was living, you know,
Speaker 17: So everything I have?
Speaker 6: Where did you put everything? Just what happened?
Speaker 17: I've rented a new home and went to the They
Speaker 17: had it at the Sheriff's Denver Sheriff's Inpound Lot. But
Speaker 17: fifteen minutes, that's just ridiculous. I'm sixty before.
Speaker 7: I understand, and I don't agree with any of this,
Speaker 7: but I'm trying to figure out how we can actually
Speaker 7: help you.
Speaker 6: Can you get the vehicle back?
Speaker 7: Now? When you say the windshield, was it cracked in
Speaker 7: the first place, I mean did they it was crashed?
Speaker 7: So there's an argument there. It didn't matter the windshield.
Speaker 17: Man, that's not even my issue.
Speaker 7: What is the issue, then, Shelley, I.
Speaker 17: Want the rest of my stuff, That's all I want.
Speaker 17: I just want to get.
Speaker 7: Now, Dmitri, Shelley, please please hold on. I hear the
Speaker 7: emotions in you, and I do want to help you
Speaker 7: get your stuff. This is very similar to another one
Speaker 7: we worked on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, right around what is the Thanksgiving or Christmas?
Speaker 5: And I'll follow you in on what I found out
Speaker 5: as as we come back.
Speaker 6: We actually have information on this stuff.
Speaker 7: So hold on and then Tire, I'm going to talk
Speaker 7: to you just to get the gist of your car
Speaker 7: accident question on the break, and then Stephanie you're gonna
Speaker 7: be up next. Hold on, everybody, and Shelley just calm down.
Speaker 7: Hold on. We're going to try to help.
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Speaker 7: trying to figure out how to help Shelley. She's homeless.
Speaker 7: She lived in her RV and basically Denver. She was
Speaker 7: parked in Denver. They put a sign up or they
Speaker 7: put a notice up. You got to move seven hundred feet.
Speaker 7: It was seven hundred feet, right, Shelley, Yes, within a
Speaker 7: period of time where they were going to tow it.
Speaker 7: She had to call a tow truck over because the
Speaker 7: vehicle didn't actually run, and she moved it the seven
Speaker 7: hundred feet. And then I guess you went out somewhere
Speaker 7: and when you came back or they knocked on what
Speaker 7: actually did happen?
Speaker 6: Were you in the vehicle when they came out.
Speaker 7: To move it.
Speaker 17: No, my roommate was but that I had rented a
Speaker 17: tow truck and I pulled it myself, and then I
Speaker 17: was returning the tow truck and when I drove up
Speaker 17: the they were there.
Speaker 6: I wonder, Shelley, tell me if this makes sense?
Speaker 7: When they saw you move it the seven hundred feet
Speaker 7: and have to use a tow truck, I wonder if
Speaker 7: that's when they made the decision that they were going
Speaker 7: to tow it because it's inoperable.
Speaker 17: Do you think they knew us already? We have we
Speaker 17: have been dealing with Bim please with this for a questions.
Speaker 7: Why would you possibly be in Denver like that? Why
Speaker 7: wouldn't you go just to the outskirts or somewhere else.
Speaker 7: I guess I don't understand that logic.
Speaker 17: Okay, this is this is a problem, the part that
Speaker 17: I needed to fix it. Yeah, at like eleven hundred dollars.
Speaker 17: We were my roommate and I were intending on, you know,
Speaker 17: repairing it, of course, you know, and we were just
Speaker 17: I was I was just going to sell it and
Speaker 17: go back to living in an apartment. Well, now I
Speaker 17: don't have it to sell, and if they destroyed the
Speaker 17: living daylights out of it, so not it's not even
Speaker 17: feasible for me to even try to sell it. But
Speaker 17: the problem is they left me homeless, which was bad enough,
Speaker 17: and that I just wanted to be able to get
Speaker 17: my personal property out here.
Speaker 6: Let's stick to that.
Speaker 7: So Dmitri, you dealt with this on this guy's tools,
Speaker 7: almost verbatim. It was another motor home deal. They towed it,
Speaker 7: but all the guys tools were in there, and that's
Speaker 7: how we made a living. And I think it's at
Speaker 7: the same point, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So in that matter, the guy was never allowed
Speaker 5: to get into the into the motor home because he
Speaker 5: didn't have registration or title to it. All he had
Speaker 5: was a bill of sale. But the Denver sheriff said that, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, as far as we know, that's a fake
Speaker 5: bill of sale. Of course it needs to be official,
Speaker 5: so I agree with that as.
Speaker 11: I do too.
Speaker 5: So, Shelley, do you have anything to prove ownership of
Speaker 5: this RV? Do you have a registration?
Speaker 2: The title we have time with your name on it? Yes?
Speaker 5: Okay? Is there is there a registration? Also, by any chance.
Speaker 17: The registration is expired, okay.
Speaker 5: But it has your name on it.
Speaker 7: Maybe that's why it was so.
Speaker 5: But and the last question I have four you is
Speaker 5: how do you know that you moved at seven hundred feet?
Speaker 17: Because I'm a former math teacher number one, and I
Speaker 17: measured how far we measured to see how down we
Speaker 17: moved it two and a half blocks and that's more
Speaker 17: with actually twelve hundred.
Speaker 6: Shelly, why did they just not that it was right?
Speaker 6: But why did they toe it? I really want to
Speaker 6: understand that you must have an inkling.
Speaker 17: Well, yes I do, because obviously, I mean I'm talking
Speaker 17: to other people that live in RV's. The state of
Speaker 17: Colorado wants to get RV's out of here. Okay, they
Speaker 17: don't even want them.
Speaker 7: And honestly, Shelley, if I owned a house or something
Speaker 7: you were parked in front of there. I mean I
Speaker 7: probably would have a problem with it, but I.
Speaker 17: Was parks in front of my friend's house, which and
Speaker 17: there's a park across the street, so we were not obstructing.
Speaker 7: I get it.
Speaker 6: But the rules are rules. But here's the good news.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so, Shelley, I still have my contact at the
Speaker 5: Sheriff's office, So if you could scan and email us
Speaker 5: your title and your now expired registration, I'll submit those
Speaker 5: documents to the Sheriff's office and I'll ask them to
Speaker 5: give you give you access to that RV so you
Speaker 5: can remove the rest of your stuff. When did a
Speaker 5: go into the impound yard?
Speaker 17: It went in the mpound yard two days ago.
Speaker 5: Okay, so it's still there. So yeah, if you can,
Speaker 5: if you can email that Kelly here, We'll give you
Speaker 5: our email address and show forward those documents to me
Speaker 5: right away and I'll follow up on it with the
Speaker 5: Sheriff's office two days.
Speaker 17: You do understand that I did. We were able to
Speaker 17: go in there yestesterday, but they only I mean I
Speaker 17: fifteen minutes. It's just a ludicrous You just need a
Speaker 17: little more time.
Speaker 5: Sully did they say you can come back for another
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes.
Speaker 17: Another day, or did they say deputy his last name
Speaker 17: is my first name, ironically, Deputy Shelley. He said it
Speaker 17: would be up to him because I said, I said,
Speaker 17: can I please come back tomorrow? Because he told me
Speaker 17: he was going to have me arrested for trust happiness?
Speaker 6: Why did they Why are they being so difficult with you?
Speaker 6: Did you throw it?
Speaker 11: I mean, did you give them money?
Speaker 5: Look, I.
Speaker 7: Know they took your house and stuff, but did you
Speaker 7: get into like an altercation or threaten them or no?
Speaker 17: I was crying and yeah, bagging and pleading them, So
Speaker 17: please let me get my stub.
Speaker 11: What would it take to actually get your RV back?
Speaker 7: Wow?
Speaker 17: I don't want it back. I mean it's two hundred
Speaker 17: and thirty five dollars at this point, was to the
Speaker 17: fifty five.
Speaker 7: Then it doesn't run.
Speaker 17: It doesn't run. I don't want it back. They destroyed it.
Speaker 17: I mean the whole right windshield is completely missing. It
Speaker 17: wasn't even anywhere around. And the inside I mean I
Speaker 17: have pictures of what they did to the inside of
Speaker 17: They broke a lot of my stuff. I mean I
Speaker 17: have these little crystal figurines and things were broken and
Speaker 17: everything out of the refrigerator was just strewn all over
Speaker 17: the place. I've had the same toad before, so the
Speaker 17: way the inside looked was it looks like they just
Speaker 17: ransacked through everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I have a suggestion for Shelley. Shelley, yes is bow.
Speaker 8: What was the story about the seven hundred Why were
Speaker 8: they concerned about the seven hundred and fifty feet?
Speaker 6: You can't be in the same spot.
Speaker 5: I don't want people living on the street, so so
Speaker 5: all vehicles are required to be moved. Well, I have
Speaker 5: a small suggestion.
Speaker 8: I had a rental property in Denver and someone had
Speaker 8: similar situation. They put their camper on the street and uh,
Speaker 8: it was in front of my rental and I kept
Speaker 8: calling the police about it, and the uh, the person
Speaker 8: that was that was their only home. So the person
Speaker 8: and the police wouldn't tow it or get involved. Because
Speaker 8: the person that was in this camp or or RV
Speaker 8: called the mayor's office and had some sort of department
Speaker 8: for the initiative for.
Speaker 5: Homeless Oh wow, and she she was able and this
Speaker 5: was this made me upset.
Speaker 8: The mayor's office got involved and they allowed this person
Speaker 8: to stay on the public street.
Speaker 6: In front of my rental house.
Speaker 8: They gave some because I called the police department several
Speaker 8: times because it was kind of an iceore and they slowed.
Speaker 8: The mayor office got involved and it stays. So you
Speaker 8: may want to call the mayor's office and ask for
Speaker 8: the homeless division. There may be an avenue for you
Speaker 8: to maybe get your RV out.
Speaker 6: Hey, Kelly, that's that's that's great advice.
Speaker 5: BO.
Speaker 6: So we're gonna get all your information. You're gonna give
Speaker 6: it to Kelly.
Speaker 7: Dmitri's gonna reach out, and then I'll have Deputy Bo
Speaker 7: if he can find that number. If you know what
Speaker 7: it is, give that to Dmitri. So we got two avenues,
Speaker 7: but we're gonna try to like, what do you need?
Speaker 7: Maybe a half hour would that be sufficient? At this point?
Speaker 17: Would be great?
Speaker 7: And the poor woman only wants a half hour to
Speaker 7: get her stuff out. I mean, really, this this is
Speaker 7: kind of absurd if they don't do it. You know,
Speaker 7: this is Denver where Mayor Mike is the most liberal
Speaker 7: person I've ever seen in my life, and they won't
Speaker 7: let somebody in her position get their stuff for a
Speaker 7: half hour. What's wrong with this picture? How are you
Speaker 7: so liberal and act like you're the best people in
Speaker 7: the world and only wanted he.
Speaker 5: Could work platform. Remember, he ran on the platform of
Speaker 5: solving the homelessness situation, and that pencil neck never got
Speaker 5: back to me when I was trying to help that
Speaker 5: other guy get his tools out of the impound yard.
Speaker 6: He's a tool, That's what's going on here. He's talking
Speaker 6: out of one side of his mouth.
Speaker 7: I might not agree with his politics at all, but
Speaker 7: when you get up there and say, hey, I'm going
Speaker 7: to fix the homeless situation and do this or that,
Speaker 7: and he won't even allow his officers, and they're his
Speaker 7: officers or guards over there at impound to give this
Speaker 7: lady a half hour to get everything she owns in life.
Speaker 6: Mike, you're an ass.
Speaker 17: Thank you.
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Speaker 7: All right three O.
Speaker 6: Three seven one three eight two five five.
Speaker 7: You've been ripped off for taking advantage of Hey, by
Speaker 7: the way, tyree, call back.
Speaker 6: You're up next.
Speaker 7: But we had to help that poor woman get her
Speaker 7: stuff back. But John Fuller is in studio with us.
Speaker 7: He's a personal injury attorney. So give us a callback,
Speaker 7: explain what's going on, and we can probably help you.
Speaker 7: But to gist of it was he was sick and
Speaker 7: tired of working. John with a big company or a
Speaker 7: big law firm. He didn't tell me which one, but
Speaker 7: I understand what he's saying. And they said we don't
Speaker 7: want your business anymore. But his side of it, and
Speaker 7: he just told me that during the break, what would
Speaker 7: you do in a case like this, not you as
Speaker 7: an attorney, but anybody listening out there. You hire a
Speaker 7: law firm you were injured, They take the case, and
Speaker 7: then every time you call up you got a different
Speaker 7: case manager. And I talk about this in your commercials, John,
Speaker 7: I mean, but finally you said, after I got the
Speaker 7: six new person working on my case and none of
Speaker 7: these people reach out and call me.
Speaker 6: I've got to call them all the time.
Speaker 7: So finally he said, I got a little upset and
Speaker 7: probably said some stuff I shouldn't have, and then I
Speaker 7: got a call back on we don't want your business anymore.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's kind of crappy. I mean, seriously, to
Speaker 7: have to deal with five or six people then you
Speaker 7: get fed up with it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 7: I don't know what he said to them. I mean,
Speaker 7: it could be outrageous, it could not be, but I
Speaker 7: mean it's kind of weird.
Speaker 6: So just real quick.
Speaker 7: And then I got to go to Stephanie. Can an attorney,
Speaker 7: a personal injury attorney that took your case, can they
Speaker 7: simply fire the client at any time?
Speaker 11: Yeah, they generally generally can.
Speaker 10: It's all going to come down, like every other contract issue,
Speaker 10: to what it says in the contract.
Speaker 7: So give the agreement.
Speaker 10: Yeah, in the fear agreement, it gives the attorneys a
Speaker 10: right to withdraw at any time. And so I don't
Speaker 10: know what was said, but I'm sure it wasn't a
Speaker 10: pleasant conversation. There's two sides to everything, of course, but yeah,
Speaker 10: I mean they can they can say, look, there's no
Speaker 10: way we're going to make this guy happy. We're not
Speaker 10: going to deal with our employees getting harassed or threatened
Speaker 10: or anything like that.
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm not I don't know that that's what
Speaker 11: was said.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but if that line was ever crossed, it's a
Speaker 10: line that you can't come back from. I just had
Speaker 10: one the other day like that, and that asked me
Speaker 10: to retake on a case and I was like, no,
Speaker 10: I won't do that to my staff.
Speaker 7: You know, just too abusive, I mean, bottom line exactly. Hey, Stephanie,
Speaker 7: what's going on with this cross space?
Speaker 19: So my house back to a Denver public school. They
Speaker 19: built a soccer field and when they built it, and
Speaker 19: they put more soil there and made me property higher.
Speaker 19: So now I have a swell behind my house that's
Speaker 19: feet higher, so all the excess water comes back into
Speaker 19: my property. And I've been dealing with this now for
Speaker 19: seven years. Oh my god, it's oh yeah, no, it's
Speaker 19: getting progressively worse. And I didn't I couldn't figure out
Speaker 19: what it was happening at first.
Speaker 16: Well, it was.
Speaker 7: I want to pull this part out of it, because
Speaker 7: you said it was the school. If it was just
Speaker 7: I just from doing the show. I can tell you
Speaker 7: a few things when someone builds something up. And once
Speaker 7: again I'm not talking about the government, so this could
Speaker 7: be different in John, maybe he knows something on that.
Speaker 7: If not, we have another attorney we can get on.
Speaker 7: But when you develop something and you're going to change
Speaker 7: the flow of water or storm drain or anything, you
Speaker 7: have to have a plan. So you put that plan together,
Speaker 7: than someone in the city or the county or wherever
Speaker 7: sign off on it and say yes, that's acceptable, then
Speaker 7: you know, you build it whatever it is. I don't
Speaker 7: care if it's a house next door or a soccer
Speaker 7: field or whatever. You go out there and you actually
Speaker 7: build it. Now, if the water does go the wrong
Speaker 7: direction and ultimately ends up hurting someone else's property or
Speaker 7: like in your case, I mean like getting into the
Speaker 7: crawl space or into the house, it's a pretty tough
Speaker 7: fight then because they did follow the plan. So the
Speaker 7: first thing typically you would do is find out if
Speaker 7: the construction followed that plan, was it done right? Because
Speaker 7: if the county, and tell me what you think about this, John,
Speaker 7: if the county signs off on something when it comes
Speaker 7: to the flow of storm water and they screw up
Speaker 7: the engineer screws up. Where does that generally, where would
Speaker 7: you think that would go back on? I'd either say
Speaker 7: the county itself or the engineer that did the plan,
Speaker 7: or or too bad, so sad.
Speaker 10: Well, I think no matter what, so much time has
Speaker 10: passed that the there's gonna be no chance of going
Speaker 10: back now and dealing with that. I think as long
Speaker 10: as all the rules were followed, there's a very little recourse.
Speaker 7: I think so too.
Speaker 10: Or surface water running off onto an adjacent property. I mean,
Speaker 10: I don't I don't know everything.
Speaker 19: It's getting progressively worse, I'm sure, And I mean, let's
Speaker 19: let me just tell you. It goes under my I
Speaker 19: have a carport. It goes under my car port and
Speaker 19: rises up, so I have like watermarks across my carport.
Speaker 6: Is it just your house, Stephanie.
Speaker 10: Have you tried to do anything with French strange or
Speaker 10: to mitigate the damage at all, or even a big
Speaker 10: sump pump.
Speaker 19: It's in both of my neighbors. It goes because it
Speaker 19: goes all the way to the front of my property.
Speaker 19: It's cracked the street in the front of my house.
Speaker 19: I mean, we're not talking a little bit of water.
Speaker 19: We're talking a lot. I had a civil engineer come
Speaker 19: over last year and do a survey on my yard
Speaker 19: at the backyard to make sure it wasn't had because
Speaker 19: they turned around.
Speaker 6: That Oh it's mother nature, what they said.
Speaker 19: And they're like, you know, water moods and stuff like that,
Speaker 19: and it doesn't have anything to do with me. And
Speaker 19: I have a support wall in the back of my
Speaker 19: house that was built the same by my house was
Speaker 19: in nineteen fifty seven, and when I bought my house
Speaker 19: nine years ago, that wall was in perfect condition. The
Speaker 19: wall is leaning towards my house by thirty degrees.
Speaker 6: And my sense, yeah, but you're in that case.
Speaker 7: I mean you're talking almost what is that seventy five
Speaker 7: years and I get it, it's all from there. But Stephanie,
Speaker 7: here's what I want to do. Hold on a second.
Speaker 7: I want to get Bradley O'Brien on. So I want
Speaker 7: to ask him because this is the kind of attorney
Speaker 7: you would hire for something like this. So let's ask
Speaker 7: him his advice. Is it passed the statute to limitations?
Speaker 7: I mean, I've got a ton of questions on this.
Speaker 7: I just don't know the answers to, but he will do.
Speaker 7: I do want to ask you this. So, have you
Speaker 7: literally just called Denver or whoever built a school or
Speaker 7: is in charge of that soccer field being done, and
Speaker 7: had a real conversation like this is crazy, and what
Speaker 7: do they say?
Speaker 6: Are they the ones telling you it's just mother nature?
Speaker 19: I have called the school. I have called wastewater. I
Speaker 19: have called stower water. I have called I have electrical
Speaker 19: pulls on the prop my property, so I have called
Speaker 19: Denver Electric.
Speaker 2: I have called the Have you ever hold on have you.
Speaker 7: Ever called the city and County of Denver themselves? Yes,
Speaker 7: I assume it's their property. And what do they say?
Speaker 2: They?
Speaker 19: Okay, so they all say it has nothing to do
Speaker 19: with them. So wastewater says, because the water isn't flowing
Speaker 19: over and up above that it doesn't have anything to
Speaker 19: do with them. And I'm like, oh my god, this
Speaker 19: is insane. If you come and look at my property,
Speaker 19: you will be in in regard to you saying it's
Speaker 19: not still a case to seven years, it's going it's
Speaker 19: ongoing dammage.
Speaker 7: Now, I'm just talking about arguing anything that happens to
Speaker 7: a wall or retaining wall over a seventy five year
Speaker 7: period is a hell of a stretch to make.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I believe it has to.
Speaker 6: Do one with the soccer field. That wasn't my point
Speaker 6: on that.
Speaker 7: I'm going I just don't know what you do on
Speaker 7: a wall that's seventy five years old. It's starting to move.
Speaker 6: But hold on a second. Let's try to get Bradley
Speaker 6: O'Brien up.
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Speaker 6: All right, three oh three seven one three A two
Speaker 6: five five.
Speaker 7: Kelly's still trying to get Bradley O'Brien on, So you
Speaker 7: just keep holding there, Stephanie. I want to get the
Speaker 7: attorney on with this.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 7: This say is working with Doc by the way, we
Speaker 7: have two lines open three zero three seven one three
Speaker 7: eight two five five Any questions for John on personal injury?
Speaker 7: Is the guy with the basement inslation, So give me
Speaker 7: give us a little update though, what not an update
Speaker 7: before I go to him? But what was the initial call?
Speaker 11: Doc?
Speaker 9: Well, he was he was trying to finish a part
Speaker 9: of his basement.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I remember this one.
Speaker 9: And he was having some trouble because they want them
Speaker 9: to do the entire basement yup, and not just the
Speaker 9: area that was going to be finished.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's it's it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 7: So Keith called in I think it was even yesterday,
Speaker 7: it was yesterday, and he's just doing one room down
Speaker 7: in his basement. So when you walk down the basement stairs,
Speaker 7: there's basically the room, and he finished that room. It's
Speaker 7: going to be a bedroom. He's done the electrical, he's
Speaker 7: done the mechanical, everything passed the inspection. Proper windows yup,
Speaker 7: he's got the egress window. He's got everything he needs
Speaker 7: to do, and everything more importantly has passed inspection, the framing, everything,
Speaker 7: he's done plumbing, so he does insulation. Now when you
Speaker 7: do insulation, once again, you got a call for you
Speaker 7: got to pull the permit and you call for inspection.
Speaker 7: He came out and the guy failed it. The reason
Speaker 7: he failed it is says you have to do the
Speaker 7: entire basement, not just the room you're doing. And he's like, well,
Speaker 7: I don't have that kind of money to do the
Speaker 7: entire thing. That would cost me about another ten grand. So, Keith,
Speaker 7: what is the newest update on this?
Speaker 12: Hi?
Speaker 4: Tom So, I got a call from the county from
Speaker 4: his name is Mike actually, but he called me and
Speaker 4: said that he's gonna go ahead and then approve me
Speaker 4: to go on to the rough drywall portion.
Speaker 7: Nice.
Speaker 4: However, however, he's put it just as a note. They
Speaker 4: still are going to request that I have to finish
Speaker 4: the entire basement, not only that.
Speaker 7: Well wait a minute, just so, just so everybody understands,
Speaker 7: you mean the entire basement, just the insulation on the
Speaker 7: on the outside walls.
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I originally thought. They added another one
Speaker 4: to it. They now because I have TGI floor Joyce
Speaker 4: that separate the basement.
Speaker 2: To the upstairs. Yeah, they want me to all the.
Speaker 4: Unfinished area that I haven't touched the thing in yet.
Speaker 4: They want me to insulate everything between the tg ice
Speaker 4: and that's going to cost about twenty two thousand for
Speaker 4: all that.
Speaker 7: So but they're going to sign off and let you
Speaker 7: put drywall up and complete it. So how are they
Speaker 7: going to No, No.
Speaker 4: They won't let me complete it. They won't let me
Speaker 4: call in my final. They won't approve the final until
Speaker 4: all the insulation is done, plus the insallation. Now they
Speaker 4: want between the TGI.
Speaker 2: Now a big kicker on.
Speaker 7: This, Tom Keith, Keith, Keith, hold on a second, man,
Speaker 7: you live there, This is like your primary residence, right, correct,
Speaker 7: So when you are allowed to finish that room, now,
Speaker 7: let's just get really back to basics.
Speaker 4: Correct, Well, not without inspections.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to get an occupancy.
Speaker 6: And I understand on the CEO, I got that. I
Speaker 6: heard that. Believe it or not, I heard that.
Speaker 7: But they will let you. It sounds like they will
Speaker 7: let you finish this project. What they're saying is you're
Speaker 7: not going to get stamped until you do the other
Speaker 7: stuff at the very end.
Speaker 14: Is that?
Speaker 7: Am I correct?
Speaker 6: So you can finish the room and use the room,
Speaker 6: but they're basically not going to do a final.
Speaker 2: They won't issue an occupancy.
Speaker 4: So basically technically is even though I'm finishing it, I've
Speaker 4: got to finish room down there. But technically they I
Speaker 4: cannot allow somebody to stay down there.
Speaker 2: Because of some but you can't.
Speaker 7: We agree, they're not going to be sending the police
Speaker 7: out there to see if anybody's down there. Basically, here's
Speaker 7: what I'm hearing you say, and I don't think you're
Speaker 7: hearing the same thing, which is crazy, because it's you
Speaker 7: i'm hearing it from. I think he's saying, Look, we're
Speaker 7: going to let you finish this, but you're not going
Speaker 7: to get the final until the insallation's done. And during
Speaker 7: the phone call yesterday, you were eventually going to do
Speaker 7: that insulation anyhow, weren't you.
Speaker 6: You just didn't have the money for it right now.
Speaker 4: Right framing it down so every six months you'd have
Speaker 4: to pull an inspection, whether it fail or pass, to
Speaker 4: be able to for that permit to keep continuing every
Speaker 4: six mont.
Speaker 7: Why wouldn't you just let it lapse at that point?
Speaker 4: Though then I would pay a fine port and have
Speaker 4: to reopen it and start the process all over again.
Speaker 4: He said, it just there's a lot of red tape.
Speaker 4: This is what he's telling me.
Speaker 7: This is what he's telling you.
Speaker 2: I think I have to say, is this almost build
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one?
Speaker 6: They Yeah, they've changed the building coach.
Speaker 4: No, even back then, this home was up to that code.
Speaker 4: They he his exact words to me. When that home
Speaker 4: was built for the original occupation, for the original occupancy
Speaker 4: for it, they should have accept or should have asked
Speaker 4: and requested for that basement to be insulated. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: they missed it.
Speaker 7: That's fine, I get it. That's twenty four years ago.
Speaker 7: You're not going to do anything about that.
Speaker 2: But now they're trying to make me do something about it.
Speaker 7: I get it. But there's no relevancy to what happened
Speaker 7: twenty four years ago with the builder. I mean, that's
Speaker 7: not even it's really not even a part of the conversation.
Speaker 6: Hey, it sucks.
Speaker 5: I have a question, are you are you trying to
Speaker 5: wrect out that room.
Speaker 6: No, it's gonna be for their.
Speaker 11: Right, So who's going to know?
Speaker 9: I mean, why why wouldn't you just use it and
Speaker 9: don't worry about it if it's just going to be
Speaker 9: you know, friends and family.
Speaker 7: That's what I was trying to ask him. He's saying
Speaker 7: there's going to be all these penalties, and he got
Speaker 7: to renew a permit every six months and all these
Speaker 7: other things, and I really, you know, I'll go back
Speaker 7: to that same question now the doc asked it, But
Speaker 7: why why simply just get it finished or get it
Speaker 7: ready for use and then don't worry about it, don't
Speaker 7: renew the permit, don't do anything. It's not like they're
Speaker 7: going to come knocking on the door.
Speaker 18: Right.
Speaker 4: But now, let's say life happens and in two years
Speaker 4: I decided it's not finished and I'm going to sell
Speaker 4: the home.
Speaker 7: Yeah, then you then you've got to finish it, or
Speaker 7: actually you still don't. You simply have to disclose what happened.
Speaker 7: A lot of people people don't realize this. You can
Speaker 7: do your own work, you can finish your own basement
Speaker 7: and not pull permits. But when you sell the house,
Speaker 7: you better you better tell whoever's gonna buy it, you
Speaker 7: better disclose it.
Speaker 6: So you simply disclose it. Hey, I did this. They
Speaker 6: wanted me to do insulation everywhere else.
Speaker 7: I wasn't ready to spend forty thousand dollars, so we
Speaker 7: just did this part and we never got the final permit.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's it's not that big of a deal, Keith.
Speaker 7: I mean it would be nicer if everything was done
Speaker 7: when you go to sell it.
Speaker 6: But I don't think it's that big of a deal.
Speaker 7: I mean I really don't. In fact, Okay, let me
Speaker 7: do this. I want to try to. I want to
Speaker 7: try to prove it to you. Let's get Frank Ran,
Speaker 7: the real estate man on. I want to get a
Speaker 7: real opinion on what the disclosures say and does he
Speaker 7: really think that's going to be a big idea what
Speaker 7: he sells? But just hold on, all right. I like
Speaker 7: the fact they're just going to let him finish on it.
Speaker 7: But let's see what Frank says. And Keith, if you
Speaker 7: want to just listen in. I mean, John, everybody in
Speaker 7: here has owned a house or at one point. I
Speaker 7: assume you've owned so many rental properties.
Speaker 6: Bo you still do.
Speaker 5: I have a suggestion for Keith, what is well? First off,
Speaker 5: what municipality is.
Speaker 7: This in Hey?
Speaker 6: Where is it?
Speaker 7: Where is it?
Speaker 5: Keith?
Speaker 6: Isn't it Denver? Oh that's right, Adam's County.
Speaker 5: For Keith, I just just let it go.
Speaker 8: And then the fine for renewing a permit it's only
Speaker 8: like fifty two dollars.
Speaker 6: And you wouldn't have to do that for whenever until
Speaker 6: you're ready to finish it.
Speaker 8: And there's another thing. If it's a financial hardship, you
Speaker 8: can go to that county and request a hearing with
Speaker 8: the appeals board and get a variance.
Speaker 7: And we even talked to you, We talked to you
Speaker 7: about a variance yesterday. Did you even pursue that?
Speaker 2: No, I know, I just got a call from him yesterday.
Speaker 6: I would do the paperwork on it. Man, go request it,
Speaker 6: just like BO said.
Speaker 7: I mean, just say, hey, you know, I don't have
Speaker 7: the money for this, but I do want to hear
Speaker 7: on that realtor aspect of it. But Bo, where I
Speaker 7: was going with you is, or with John, or with
Speaker 7: anybody in the room. Over the years, I mean, have
Speaker 7: you not done work in your house where you're supposed
Speaker 7: to pull a permit? It did not.
Speaker 6: I don't care if you were ever.
Speaker 8: I refinished my whole game exactly. I refinished my whole
Speaker 8: basement without a permit. I did too in my last house.
Speaker 11: Perish the thought.
Speaker 7: I mean, I hired electricians, I hired everybody that knew
Speaker 7: what they were doing. So I didn't worry about that,
Speaker 7: but I didn't pull the permits.
Speaker 8: And when I eventually sell the property, I'm just going
Speaker 8: to put on the real estate form that no permit
Speaker 8: was taken.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you just basically we'll talk about the disclosures. Let's
Speaker 7: take this break so we're not up the top of
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Speaker 6: All right, three oh three seven one three eight.
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Speaker 7: During the breaks. You can hear us talk just to
Speaker 7: give you the idea we were talking about diving during
Speaker 7: this last one. But now I want to go back
Speaker 7: to Keith in his basement issue and I'm going to
Speaker 7: kind of lock him up. But I brought up her expert,
Speaker 7: Frank drand the real estate man. First of all, Frank,
Speaker 7: how are you doing, sir Mark good to hear.
Speaker 5: Of your friend.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great.
Speaker 13: We're running like crazy and putting these homes under contract
Speaker 13: right unless it's been really good, thank god.
Speaker 7: Anytime I talk to Frank, it's crazy. So we do
Speaker 7: advertising for Frank and I personally speak for him all
Speaker 7: the time. And what's really funny is anytime I talk
Speaker 7: to him, I'm like, how's biz? And it's crazy because
Speaker 7: it's busier and busier. I'll talk to other realtors that
Speaker 7: are like, well, they might get one or two listings
Speaker 7: a month, maybe, Frank, I swear there is weeks where
Speaker 7: you'll get five to ten listings. It's absolute lutely amazing,
Speaker 7: and it's because of how good you are.
Speaker 6: I don't care what anybody says.
Speaker 7: You get more than the average realtor for the house,
Speaker 7: and you sell more than the average realtor. Isn't it
Speaker 7: isn't it?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 6: What does the average realtor selling a year.
Speaker 13: Frank, you know, statistically, I've seen stats that says the
Speaker 13: average realtor closes less than maybe seven transactions a year.
Speaker 4: Sees Yeah, so that's ye.
Speaker 13: That seems to be pretty pretty typical. I guess, you know,
Speaker 13: for average.
Speaker 7: Now, I love how he will never too to his
Speaker 7: own horn. He would never answer. He knows my next question,
Speaker 7: but he's not going to go there. How many did
Speaker 7: you sell last year? Let's take something very recent.
Speaker 13: Oh, gosh, we closed gosh a little over I think
Speaker 13: one hundred transactions market and back. We just put ten
Speaker 13: under contract listing size plus buyers. So we've been moving
Speaker 13: them and getting good prices and all price ranges.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 3: So there.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's why I talk about you all the time.
Speaker 7: I want people to really hear it. I always talk
Speaker 7: about those stats, but I'm way off. I say, you know,
Speaker 7: you sell way more in a month than the average.
Speaker 7: Wiltear way more. It's not my numbers are even wrong.
Speaker 7: I gotta update my copy. But let me ask you
Speaker 7: this man, how many times are you selling a house
Speaker 7: where someone did a bathroom and they didn't pull a
Speaker 7: permit upgraded a bathroom or probably the biggest one out there.
Speaker 7: And what we're talking about with Keith right now is
Speaker 7: actually did a room in the basement. Now, he did
Speaker 7: everything properly, So I want to explain something to you, Frank.
Speaker 7: He actually had everything inspected, he's had electrical, he's hired
Speaker 7: the right people, he's had the inspections. Denver comes over
Speaker 7: and checks or I'm sorry, Adams County comes over and
Speaker 7: everything has gone perfectly. They got to one part, which
Speaker 7: is the insulation. And because things have changed or because
Speaker 7: the builder twenty three years ago did not do the
Speaker 7: right thing, they he needs to insulate all kinds of
Speaker 7: things besides the one room he's doing in the basement.
Speaker 7: So bottom line is he's going to finish it up
Speaker 7: and he's not planning on moving right now. But when
Speaker 7: he does go to move, he's going to have a
Speaker 7: beautiful room. That's been the electrician and everybody's signed off on.
Speaker 7: But he's never going to get the final. Let's say
Speaker 7: he never gets that final on that job or on
Speaker 7: that permit he pulled for that room because he doesn't
Speaker 7: want to insulate the rest of the basement because it's
Speaker 7: going to cost him twenty forty thousand dollars whatever it is.
Speaker 7: So when you list a house like that, I know
Speaker 7: there's a disclosure for him, but in reality, to people
Speaker 7: care if it was done right. I mean, everybody would
Speaker 7: love to see the final in the permit, But how
Speaker 7: does that work in the real world when you're selling
Speaker 7: that house?
Speaker 13: Well, you know, Mark, great question. In fact, I'll tell
Speaker 13: you there's a number of these homes we sell in
Speaker 13: that situation. There is a spot on the seller's property
Speaker 13: disclosure and it specifically says that or it asks if
Speaker 13: there's any additions or non aesthetic alterations made without a
Speaker 13: building permit. So if that's the case, you just simply Mark, yes,
Speaker 13: you explain the situation. And you know, I can't even
Speaker 13: recall any time I've ever had a buyer just not
Speaker 13: buy a house over that. I've never had one not
Speaker 13: to close over that. So I think the key is
Speaker 13: just disclosure up front and everybody's happy.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So, I mean, do you have any questions after here
Speaker 7: and a guy that sells more homes than virtually any
Speaker 7: other realtor in the.
Speaker 6: State of Colorado per year, if.
Speaker 7: Not every realtor, Keith, I mean, he's saying and he's
Speaker 7: saying out of the thousand homes he's sold, it's never
Speaker 7: been an issue.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess my biggest question, My biggest concern is
Speaker 4: what's led to this whole conversation. So I bought it
Speaker 4: at the three three bedroom, three bath homes. So now
Speaker 4: it's a four bedroom and it'll soon be a you know,
Speaker 4: a four bath home.
Speaker 7: So different wait wait, wait, Keith, different issue because I'll
Speaker 7: tell you why it's in a basement. Frank, please explain that.
Speaker 13: In other words, if it's a nonconforming mark, is that
Speaker 13: what you're asking?
Speaker 6: Well, it's actually conforming.
Speaker 7: But my understanding was if it's in the basement and
Speaker 7: you added it on the basement, doesn't count for the
Speaker 7: square footage.
Speaker 6: But that's that's why I have you on.
Speaker 7: Frank. I like when you list it now that it's
Speaker 7: four bedroom in X amount of baths because he's doing these,
Speaker 7: I mean, how does that work.
Speaker 16: The only key mark on that is.
Speaker 13: You just disclose it.
Speaker 2: That's all this is.
Speaker 13: You can show actually what the square footage is, but
Speaker 13: then put the disclosure in there that there's no permit.
Speaker 7: Or okay, listen, I'm sorry, hold on. I'm going to
Speaker 7: put you both on hold if you want to hang. Hey,
Speaker 7: Frank Durand the real Estate Man Frank Duran Homes dot com. Frank,
Speaker 7: if you want Kelly to call you back, She'll get
Speaker 7: with you. Keith, let Kelly know if you want to
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Speaker 9: Yeah, would you recommend that everybody if there is in
Speaker 9: an accent that wasn't or even if it is at fault,
Speaker 9: at least go to that primary care doctor if there's
Speaker 9: any chance of an injury that might not manifest itself
Speaker 9: right away, what would show up a day or two later.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So the thing to keep in mind with any sort
Speaker 10: of injury case is that you have the burden of proof.
Speaker 11: Okay, so what does that mean.
Speaker 10: That means that that we kind of start from a
Speaker 10: default position that you're not injured and everything is perfect,
Speaker 10: and we're going to maintain that position until it's proven otherwise,
Speaker 10: and you have the burden of proving that. So the
Speaker 10: reason we tell people to go to the doctor right
Speaker 10: away and to get checked out just as an abundance
Speaker 10: of caution, is because if you wait a couple of
Speaker 10: weeks and something comes up that you absolutely know is
Speaker 10: related to the accident, you're going to be criticized for
Speaker 10: taking that two weeks as a failure to mitigate and
Speaker 10: that's actually a defense that the defense brings up in
Speaker 10: our cases down the road. And it's not just a
Speaker 10: little two week gap in treatment. It can be not
Speaker 10: showing up for treatments. It can be you know, waiting
Speaker 10: and doing home exercises or doing some non traditional, you know,
Speaker 10: therapy method that you got off of Google or something.
Speaker 10: Any of that stuff that you might do is going
Speaker 10: to fall short of being able to prove that the
Speaker 10: accident injuries were reasonable, necessary, and related back to the accident.
Speaker 10: So whether it's an urgent care center, the er, your
Speaker 10: primary care doctor really doesn't matter. It's the fact that
Speaker 10: you now have a record that shows that you complained
Speaker 10: about these injuries and related them to the accident.
Speaker 9: So yeah, so proximity is significant.
Speaker 10: Well, proximity, causation relatedness, everything like that Temple proximity.
Speaker 11: Absolutely it is.
Speaker 10: And so you know, we see some health organizations that
Speaker 10: just really don't want to be involved in cases and
Speaker 10: they take these absurd positions like, well, you know, I
Speaker 10: don't need to be concerned about causation to know, you know,
Speaker 10: the diagnosis.
Speaker 11: So what does that mean? That means you can you
Speaker 11: can wheel a guy in out of.
Speaker 10: An ambulance that just came from the scene of an
Speaker 10: act accident with a broken arm. And we've got some
Speaker 10: practitioners in this state that say, I can look at
Speaker 10: an X ray and diagnose the broken arm, but I
Speaker 10: have no idea how it got there, you know, And
Speaker 10: I don't need to know to be able to diagnose
Speaker 10: that that broken arm. And so against that mindset, you
Speaker 10: need to always be thinking that we've got to document
Speaker 10: the temporal proximity, meaning the relation to the time of
Speaker 10: the accident with the onset of the injury and everything else.
Speaker 10: The better you do that up front, the better off
Speaker 10: we're going to be down the road, and the ability
Speaker 10: to prove those damages were caused by the accident, you know.
Speaker 8: Okay, John, have a suggestion. I think you should give
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Speaker 10: not alone in what you're going through. When you're having
Speaker 10: challenges with the insurance company. It's not unique to you.
Speaker 10: The entire system is set up too, you know, for
Speaker 10: the insurance companies to be able to dispense with these
Speaker 10: claims as cheaply as possible. We had a gal on
Speaker 10: the radio show yesterday who who you know, had suffered injuries,
Speaker 10: had been to the doctor, but didn't really know that
Speaker 10: she had a case, and nobody at the insurance company
Speaker 10: ever told her. That's the oldest trick in the book,
Speaker 10: is to not tell people that that, you know, there
Speaker 10: may be a cause of action here, there may be
Speaker 10: a claim here, maybe we're we're responsible for those medical bills.
Speaker 10: The insurance company perspective is that if we just don't
Speaker 10: tell them, yeah, nothing, some of those people would just
Speaker 10: go away and they'll never know.
Speaker 11: And so that's a problem. And so you have to
Speaker 11: educate yourself.
Speaker 10: And we hope that our website is a source to
Speaker 10: have a bunch of those questions answered. Other issues that
Speaker 10: come up frequently, are you know, down the road issues
Speaker 10: of you know, does my insurance company actually have to
Speaker 10: get paid back? Why would I pay a health insurance
Speaker 10: company when I've been paying them premiums? All these years
Speaker 10: and stuff that seems crazy to a lot of people,
Speaker 10: but it's true and it's an important thing. And if
Speaker 10: you don't honor the rights of that health insurance company,
Speaker 10: you can find yourself in trouble down the road. Either
Speaker 10: they'll come knocking on your door to actually get repaid
Speaker 10: in the future, or worse shit, perhaps you have a
Speaker 10: condition that's still somewhat related back to the car accident
Speaker 10: a few years down the road, and they won't pay
Speaker 10: for it, and then you've really got a mess. This
Speaker 10: health insurance that you've had for years is saying, no,
Speaker 10: our duty to pay for that went away when you
Speaker 10: failed to honor our contractual obligations back when you had
Speaker 10: that little car wreck and you had no idea that
Speaker 10: a big surgery was going to be on your horizon.
Speaker 9: So, John, if you get injured in an accident, that's
Speaker 9: your fault. Who who does your insurance cover that or not?
Speaker 11: As far as the medical bills. Yeah, So the only
Speaker 11: part of your assurance.
Speaker 10: Yeah, the only part of your insurance that would cover
Speaker 10: an accident that you were at fault for would be
Speaker 10: your medpay provisions or something like that. Those are not
Speaker 10: fault dependent, so they're going to pay out no matter
Speaker 10: if you were at fault or the other guy was
Speaker 10: at fault. That's the really the cool thing, or one
Speaker 10: of the cool things about medpay. Your health insurance only
Speaker 10: has a right to get repaid when there's some third
Speaker 10: party that you're going after that you're going to then
Speaker 10: collect benefits from or collect damages from that are based
Speaker 10: in whole or part on the existence of that medical
Speaker 10: treatment and that injury that was related back to the accident.
Speaker 5: John, you know, one of the questions I have for
Speaker 5: you is regarding what to do right after an accident,
Speaker 5: regard of whose fault it was. If I'm insured and
Speaker 5: I have med Pay, and I go either to the
Speaker 5: er and an ambulance or on my own, the first
Speaker 5: person I see is going to ask me about insurance.
Speaker 5: Should I avoid telling them that I have med Pay,
Speaker 5: And should I avoid giving them any of my insurance
Speaker 5: information until I can get a hold of you later
Speaker 5: on so that you can take over and start renegotiating
Speaker 5: all these medical bills.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 10: So I'm never going to tell somebody to deny that
Speaker 10: you have any particular coverage. But my preference in almost
Speaker 10: every circumstance is that if you have private health insurance,
Speaker 10: give that to the hospital. Let that be the starting place,
Speaker 10: and then we'll go from there. Because the medpay to
Speaker 10: a certain degree has a priority based on who comes
Speaker 10: asking for it first. Okay, and you may not know
Speaker 10: that as you're sitting there in the er. It may
Speaker 10: be the ambulance that wants to get paid, and it
Speaker 10: may be the er that wants to get paid. The
Speaker 10: problem is if you don't know that, it could be
Speaker 10: the case that the er has already built and exhausted
Speaker 10: those benefits before you got the bill for the ambulance
Speaker 10: that maybe is not covered by your health insurance. So
Speaker 10: there are very very legitimate reasons why you want to
Speaker 10: kind of keep those cards tight to the chest and
Speaker 10: at least evaluate your position and figure out whose priority
Speaker 10: really is the most important one and needs to be paid.
Speaker 10: There are also issues with respect to repricing of medical care.
Speaker 10: I don't think it's a secret to say there's a
Speaker 10: you know, a moving target on what the price point
Speaker 10: is for various procedures.
Speaker 11: And so as an example, we were.
Speaker 10: Talking earlier about cat scans, MRIs that kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: I mean, you can literally get an MRI in Denver
Speaker 10: for as little as six hundred bucks, or you can
Speaker 10: get almost the exact same you know, MRI and have
Speaker 10: it build out it close to ten thousand dollars for
Speaker 10: the exact same procedure. It's the only thing different is
Speaker 10: who's paying for it. So that's crazy. But in my mind,
Speaker 10: I don't want my clients to pay five or ten
Speaker 10: thousand dollars for something that maybe they could get for
Speaker 10: six hundred or a grand or somewhere in there. So
Speaker 10: part of what we do, you know, I've said for years,
Speaker 10: if given the opportunity, I really think I can put
Speaker 10: you know, an additional thirty percent of money in people's
Speaker 10: pockets just because of how we structure the use of
Speaker 10: our benefits and stuff. That's part of it is making
Speaker 10: sure that we're not paying too much for the identical
Speaker 10: service that we can get. If we just play with
Speaker 10: the order that things get built and who we get
Speaker 10: that service from, we can radically alter the end result
Speaker 10: of how much we owe to these providers and how
Speaker 10: much we owe in reimbursement to our health insurance.
Speaker 7: John.
Speaker 5: The second question deals with my dash cam in the
Speaker 5: event of an accident. Let's say it's a serious one
Speaker 5: and the police respond and a policeman notices that I
Speaker 5: have what's left of a dash camera hanging out of
Speaker 5: my car. They what are the odds that they're going
Speaker 5: to request that memory card? And if so, am I
Speaker 5: required to give it to them? And the reason I
Speaker 5: bring that up is that memory card is going to
Speaker 5: contain critically important evidence in support of my case, and
Speaker 5: I would rather not trust a random cop who's got
Speaker 5: three hundred other things to do with a memory card
Speaker 5: that is smaller than a dime. So what is a
Speaker 5: legitimate way for me to deny giving the police that
Speaker 5: original memory card?
Speaker 10: Yeah, so that's a really complicated question. And to be
Speaker 10: honest with you, I've never had a police officer directly
Speaker 10: ask somebody to give up their memory card. I've never
Speaker 10: seen that happen. So, and what I'm thinking of, just
Speaker 10: off the top of my head is I've had plenty
Speaker 10: of accidents where where they initially write up the at
Speaker 10: fault party for not having proof of insurance. They absolutely
Speaker 10: had insurance and they just didn't present the officer with
Speaker 10: proof because maybe they were busy in the.
Speaker 11: Ambulance or something.
Speaker 10: And the police are not going to go rummaging around
Speaker 10: the car because that's a search, and they don't have
Speaker 10: the probable cause that gives them the ability to go search.
Speaker 10: So I don't think that there's any circumstance. I shouldn't
Speaker 10: say there's no circumstance. In most accidents, there's not going
Speaker 10: to be a circumstance where they could go in your
Speaker 10: dash cam and just physically remove that without getting a
Speaker 10: warrant or you know, having some consent to do that.
Speaker 10: So I've never had a police officer do that. I
Speaker 10: can't really fathom that they would ask for it. If
Speaker 10: you know, I've had people that were not related to
Speaker 10: the accident at all come walking up with a SIM
Speaker 10: card and say, I've got a dash cam.
Speaker 11: I've got it right here on this car. Do you
Speaker 11: want it?
Speaker 10: And they hand over the video. Sometimes that's great, Sometimes
Speaker 10: it's not so great.
Speaker 5: It's like a fifty to fifty odds.
Speaker 11: You just don't know when you put that card.
Speaker 5: It's great for identifying the truth.
Speaker 10: Listen, I think right, I mean, you know, dash cams
Speaker 10: are incredible. I'm a rear facing dash cam on my bicycle.
Speaker 10: That's how much I think it's it's incredible.
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 11: I mean, there's just no substitute. I'll tell you the truth.
Speaker 10: I've gripped about this so many times when I started
Speaker 10: practicing law twenty five years ago, and we would have
Speaker 10: accident cases. I don't recall that we ever really had well,
Speaker 10: I can't say we've never had it, but but true liability,
Speaker 10: he said. She said disputes were almost unheard of because
Speaker 10: the cops would would really investigate and go out of
Speaker 10: their way to do that. Fast forward twenty five years.
Speaker 10: I think there's a number of reasons. I mean, the
Speaker 10: police are shorthanded, they have a lot of stuff on
Speaker 10: their plate. They just don't have the opportunity to really
Speaker 10: get into investigating some of these true, he said, she said,
Speaker 10: And so they don't write anybody a ticket and they
Speaker 10: send them down the road with, you know, with the
Speaker 10: police report that basically says I don't know who was
Speaker 10: at fault. And I'm telling you, even though there may
Speaker 10: have been witnesses and there may be an easy way
Speaker 10: for them to figure it out, if they don't go
Speaker 10: that extra mile and do it, you're looking at a
Speaker 10: case that's going to cause huge problems for those injured
Speaker 10: parties because the insurance companies only have to go by
Speaker 10: what their insurance says, and if the other you know,
Speaker 10: the other party says, oh, it wouldn't my fault, I
Speaker 10: didn't run the red light, they're going to deny liability
Speaker 10: on the case. And the only way you're ever going
Speaker 10: to prevail in that case is to go to litigation
Speaker 10: and proceed to a jury trial and convince a jury
Speaker 10: of that, which I'm telling you is going to be
Speaker 10: very difficult in the absence of you know, cameras or
Speaker 10: witnesses or other evidence that help support that. So back
Speaker 10: to your question about dash cams. Many times that's the
Speaker 10: difference completely between a case that can't.
Speaker 11: Be resolved and a case that absolutely.
Speaker 9: You've made a believe right of me. You know, probably
Speaker 9: six months ago I went out on board to dash at.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I totally believe in them. We're gonna go to
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Speaker 7: All right, three oh three seven one three eight two
Speaker 7: five five. John Fuller of course, joins me, John, I
Speaker 7: just checked out your website. You put some money into that.
Speaker 6: You updated that thing?
Speaker 11: Did I did?
Speaker 6: It looks absolutely great, man, fantastic.
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Speaker 9: How come all the testimonies up from women?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Personal checking in people out here, people out there, especially YouTubers,
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Speaker 11: I mean?
Speaker 7: You know he's a personal injury attorney, but I think
Speaker 7: it looks absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 11: Did a great job, Thank you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's got a lot on motorcycle accidents, bicycle accidents,
Speaker 7: car accidents, types of cases you handle. I'd love feedback.
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Speaker 7: Personal injuryco dot com, Personal injuryco dot com. What do
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Speaker 11: Hold on, Charlie, Charlie. Yeah, I was just talking about
Speaker 11: dash cans.
Speaker 7: Hey, Charlie, go ahead, sir, Yeah, just was curious.
Speaker 16: You said you have a a dash cam for for
Speaker 16: your bicycle, but it faces rear I do. What What
Speaker 16: I mean is it's specifically designed for for bicycle.
Speaker 11: Absolutely it is.
Speaker 10: It's made by Garmin, and it actually has radar that's
Speaker 10: rear facing. It lets me know when cars are coming
Speaker 10: up behind me. And it has an active camera that
Speaker 10: is in there. And then the event that something ever happened,
Speaker 10: it would you know, it would be recorded on that
Speaker 10: on that device.
Speaker 16: Okay, And it has an easy way I mean we're
Speaker 16: talking bicycle, bicycles.
Speaker 11: Right, yeah, road bike.
Speaker 6: It looks pretty cheap too, like one hundred and fifty bucks,
Speaker 6: more like three hundred, but it's uh oh, I see
Speaker 6: that's just one part of it.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's a it's a very cool technology.
Speaker 12: Here.
Speaker 7: It is right here at ri e I Garmin Verrea
Speaker 7: ye rear view radar with camera and tail light back.
Speaker 11: Yep.
Speaker 7: That's pretty cool. And it looks like it just mounts
Speaker 7: right on the bike.
Speaker 11: Yeah, right on the seat stem.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Are you a bit time bicyclist.
Speaker 16: Yeah, oh no, I got a grandson that is.
Speaker 11: Hey.
Speaker 10: I think it's money well spent. I like it because
Speaker 10: I can't always hear the cars. I mean, you know,
Speaker 10: you got people like Mark out here in his electric
Speaker 10: car with license plates that are like I go fast,
Speaker 10: get out of my way and stuff like that on there,
Speaker 10: so you don't really hear those guys sneaking up on you.
Speaker 10: So I think that, you know, the little notification that
Speaker 10: it gives me on the on my little bike computer
Speaker 10: that everybody has a bike computer is well worth it.
Speaker 10: So it's it's a cool technology. It's not that much money,
Speaker 10: and if anything ever happens, the cost of you installing
Speaker 10: that to get a video of it is just nothing
Speaker 10: compared to the benefit of it.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Yeah, all right man, thanks Charlie yep, Garment, Yeah, all right, thank.
Speaker 7: You, Garman. It's they selled at ari I or of
Speaker 7: course Amazon three O three seven, one, three, eight, two
Speaker 7: five five, John, you went long on that first uh segment.
Speaker 11: I know, I'm just a rookie. I've never you know,
Speaker 11: do the best I can.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Hey, that website personal injury CEO looking at that
Speaker 7: down at the bottom the different kinds of accidents. And
Speaker 7: we just talked about bikes. I mean, a bicycle that
Speaker 7: hits a car, what happens? Because you're not gonna have
Speaker 7: insurance on your bicycle. But if a bike hit you know,
Speaker 7: a brand new Mercedes or something and causes you know,
Speaker 7: five six grand worth of damage to the door, if
Speaker 7: not more, or even one of those scooters, you don't
Speaker 7: have insurance on those scooters downtown.
Speaker 10: Do you know a lot of times that's when people's
Speaker 10: homeowners insurance will kick in.
Speaker 7: That will kick in a.
Speaker 10: Lot of times. Yeah, it's crazy, but it's true. Now,
Speaker 10: not everybody has a home or homeowners insurance, so you
Speaker 10: run into that sometimes. But I've had cases where we
Speaker 10: have actually gone after damage done by a bicyclist where
Speaker 10: we've used a homeowner's policy to cover that, yep, and
Speaker 10: it works out, and it worked out yep.
Speaker 7: Well, you just hope they have some form of insurance
Speaker 7: or you know, at least a houks ya lot want
Speaker 7: people that don't want.
Speaker 10: In particular, a lady was hit by a bicyclist on
Speaker 10: a trail. You just got run over by this guy,
Speaker 10: and we successfully went after the home owners insurance.
Speaker 7: How bad was she injured?
Speaker 11: Pretty bad?
Speaker 7: Like really, Like that's crazy.
Speaker 10: I wouldn't recommend getting hit by a guy flying down
Speaker 10: a bike trail, you know it's.
Speaker 7: I always thought if you got hit by one of
Speaker 7: those scooters. Now, I know they can't throttle up to
Speaker 7: thirty or something, but man, they're pretty heavy, those little.
Speaker 11: Heavy and they're fast, and you know, yeah, you don't
Speaker 11: want to get hit by.
Speaker 7: If you had any cases where someone downtown getting hit
Speaker 7: by one of those scooters, I have not.
Speaker 15: I have not.
Speaker 7: I wonder when you ran them through like Uber or
Speaker 7: Lyft or wherever. I think I think some of them
Speaker 7: are through the Uber app. In fact, I know they
Speaker 7: are because I've done it before. I wonder if there
Speaker 7: is any insurance coverage when you when you rent them.
Speaker 7: I doubt it.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know. I can tell you this.
Speaker 10: I mean I've had a few cases where things have
Speaker 10: happened on those scooters where like they'd hit a little
Speaker 10: bump and the thing just falls apart and they get bad,
Speaker 10: bad injuries. And I can tell you that the releases
Speaker 10: that people sign for those stupid scooters in the app
Speaker 10: so comprehensive and far fetched and far reaching, and there's
Speaker 10: so many layers of foreign ownership on those that there's
Speaker 10: virtually no chance of you recovering for like a product
Speaker 10: liability theory.
Speaker 7: You know, something like that. Give me your thoughts on this.
Speaker 7: So I was in an Uber yesterday. I had to
Speaker 7: drop off my RV to get some roof work done,
Speaker 7: and Suzanne had to be here. So I was like screwed.
Speaker 7: I didn't even know I was going to drop it off,
Speaker 7: but I had to get it right, so I Uber. Oh,
Speaker 7: and I have my dogs with me, so I had
Speaker 7: to get an Uber dog thing. So I had to
Speaker 7: go from basically Commerce City all the way to Franktown
Speaker 7: and it was only like sixty bucks. I mean, I
Speaker 7: couldn't believe how cheap it was. A TAXI probably would
Speaker 7: have been six hundred bucks, But that's not my point.
Speaker 7: My point is this. I'm talking to this Uber driver
Speaker 7: because we're together so long, and he's got a Tesla
Speaker 7: Model three and I'm watching him drive and this truck
Speaker 7: comes over into our lane on two twenty five almost
Speaker 7: hit him, but to Tesla jump and he jumped and
Speaker 7: we were fine. Nothing hit there. And I started thinking,
Speaker 7: if I was an auto drive, the car would have
Speaker 7: actually reacted quicker than him. What happened with his is
Speaker 7: when it got really close, he kind of jerked it
Speaker 7: and moved out of the way. It wasn't his fault.
Speaker 7: It was definitely this huge tractor trailer truck. And I
Speaker 7: mean really, it was pulling a trailer. We could have
Speaker 7: been under that thing. We could have been killed, but
Speaker 7: everything worked out fine. And I thought of my autopilot.
Speaker 7: My autopilot would have reacted way quicker than what the
Speaker 7: human did in this. And I'm not saying he's a
Speaker 7: bad driver. I might have reacted even worse than he did.
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know. So I asked him, I said,
Speaker 7: do you ever just use a full autopilot on this?
Speaker 7: And he goes, now, it would be too slow. And
Speaker 7: there is some truth to that, like when you're an
Speaker 7: autopilot full self driving, it's not going to go over
Speaker 7: eighty five yet simply won't go over eighty five and good.
Speaker 7: There's some other stuff like there's no California stops. When
Speaker 7: you come to a stop sign. You will come to
Speaker 7: a stop sign. Now you can hit the gas and
Speaker 7: kind of tell it to do it and kind of
Speaker 7: break the rule. But you know, if you're not touching
Speaker 7: the gas or the steering wheel, it's simply gonna come
Speaker 7: to a one hundred percent full stopped to go. But
Speaker 7: I started thinking, these taxis, this guy's gonna have elon musk.
Speaker 7: These are going to be probably the safest things in
Speaker 7: the world in any accident. If that truck did hit them,
Speaker 7: every single thing is on one of like the eight
Speaker 7: cameras on that vehicle, right, I mean think about that,
Speaker 7: you would actually have the video of the truck coming over.
Speaker 7: It's remarkable. That could really change eventually your industry. I mean,
Speaker 7: oh absolutely not in your lifetime, but I see a
Speaker 7: place where car accidents pretty much aren't happening. You take
Speaker 7: out that human element, and with the exception of a
Speaker 7: hacker breaking in and like doing something.
Speaker 10: You're absolutely right. But there's no way we're ever going
Speaker 10: to get to the point where you flip a switch
Speaker 10: and everything is on auto drive all of a sudden
Speaker 10: so Stull got this, you know, Yeah, these grandfathered in Oh,
Speaker 10: of course gas.
Speaker 7: If they can't afford a new one, they're not going
Speaker 7: to get one, And you're not gonna tell people they
Speaker 7: have to.
Speaker 11: That's going to be the case for the next thirty
Speaker 11: or forty.
Speaker 7: Years, easily. But what I said is I can see
Speaker 7: a time I can I'm not saying our lifetime. But
Speaker 7: it's getting kind of strange.
Speaker 6: All right, Everybody hold tight.
Speaker 7: I got to do this, and I promise I'll get
Speaker 7: back to the phones.
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Speaker 7: One three eight two five five. What do you guys think?
Speaker 7: What do you guys think? When it comes to consumer issues.
Speaker 7: The number one problem people face right now. Number one
Speaker 7: just consumer related, money related. Let me put it that way.
Speaker 7: I'll give you an example, but I don't want to
Speaker 7: give you the best example because that's the answer to it.
Speaker 11: I would just say fraud.
Speaker 10: I mean, there's so many opportunities to be scammed out there.
Speaker 10: There's every one in the world on email and just
Speaker 10: everywhere you turn.
Speaker 7: Have you ever been scammed?
Speaker 10: I've certainly had a zillion scam emails come my way.
Speaker 7: Have you ever fallen for one?
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm sure I have. I don't recall specifically, but yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 7: I had a guy ripped me off big time.
Speaker 11: Well, that's happened so many times I can't even tell you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's hear it, Mark, how did you get ripped off?
Speaker 7: I had a general manager over five of my good
Speaker 7: years that opened a store on his own while he
Speaker 7: worked for me, using my credit and my dollars. He
Speaker 7: got me for about a quarter million bucks.
Speaker 8: Wow, and he opened his store without your knowledge.
Speaker 7: I had no idea it's his own store. He bought
Speaker 7: tire equipment, he bought an alignment rackies a ball. My
Speaker 7: head's gonna block just thinking of Gary.
Speaker 8: How did you run a store without running yours?
Speaker 6: He was a GM he was the one running the
Speaker 6: five stores and then run.
Speaker 8: I had enough time to run his own on your dime.
Speaker 6: No, he had not a brother in law son in
Speaker 6: law that was running the one he was opening.
Speaker 7: He barely got it. Here's how I busted him. This
Speaker 7: is the craziest thing. So I get a call from NAPA.
Speaker 7: GPC parts everybody's heart of NAP. It's owned by GPC.
Speaker 7: So I happened to set up years ago before him.
Speaker 7: If something was over five thousand dollars one part, only I.
Speaker 6: Could authorize it. And I get a call. Oh man,
Speaker 6: thinking of Gary drives me insane. But I get a
Speaker 6: call and basically the call goes like this, so and
Speaker 6: so at NAPA we have a five four hundred dollars
Speaker 6: part that needs a PO And I go, what the
Speaker 6: hell part costs that? I mean, I've never heard of this.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking, what could it be?
Speaker 7: Even this is going back aways and they don't sell
Speaker 7: like transmissions or rebuilt engines. Okay, So what he had
Speaker 7: in order to use my credit he bought a not
Speaker 7: a Camaro, a corvette like a seventy something Corvette and
Speaker 7: he ordered through NAPA. He had NAPA order through Jasper Engines,
Speaker 7: so basically it would go through my line of credit.
Speaker 7: A Corvette engine. Okay, so up until then, my whole
Speaker 7: point is, we never would buy engines from NAPA. So,
Speaker 7: I mean, I've never heard of anything over five thousand
Speaker 7: dollars for NAPA ever. So I was like, what the
Speaker 7: hell is and they told me what it was, and
Speaker 7: I was like a Corvette engine and then boom. Within
Speaker 7: about twenty four hours, I put it together. I started
Speaker 7: running audits on everything, including the checking account out and
Speaker 7: I figured out there was a big problem and I
Speaker 7: figured out who it was. So within a week's time,
Speaker 7: what I did was it was in the middle of
Speaker 7: the night. I grabbed the locksmith because he had keys
Speaker 7: every store, and we ran around in the middle of
Speaker 7: the night to every store and changed every single lock.
Speaker 7: I didn't know who else was in cahoots. I didn't
Speaker 7: know if any store manager in coots or anything else.
Speaker 7: We changed the locks. I called the police. I actually,
Speaker 7: luckily listen, I'll tell you how good this guy was. Guys.
Speaker 7: So when I first hired him, within two months, within
Speaker 7: two months of hiring him, I received a call from
Speaker 7: a guy that owned two or three Big O franchises
Speaker 7: in Colorado. He said, this guy is the biggest thief
Speaker 7: you're gonna meet. He is the biggest crook ever. But
Speaker 7: Gary already convinced me that he like slept with this
Speaker 7: guy's wife and his old boss might call and makeup stuff.
Speaker 7: He covered every base and he was the best sales
Speaker 7: guy ever seen. Sat there and watched him when he
Speaker 7: was a store manager in my Castle Rock store. This
Speaker 7: guy could sell.
Speaker 6: Anything to walk through the door.
Speaker 7: He was great. He was good. And I don't mean
Speaker 7: sell stuff that wasn't needed. I'm saying when you give
Speaker 7: someone a laundry list, you need tires, brakes, whatever it is.
Speaker 7: I mean this guy could close every ticket. He was incredible.
Speaker 7: He upped that store by probably fifteen twenty percent in
Speaker 7: a good way, meaning not selling crap, doing it the
Speaker 7: right way, in a very short.
Speaker 6: Amount of time. That's how he became the GM so quick.
Speaker 6: So but anyhow, then I just put it all together.
Speaker 6: But the guy from Big O.
Speaker 7: What the guy from Big O didn't tell me or
Speaker 7: I wasn't listening to because Gary already got into my
Speaker 7: brain about him. Literally, I think he told me he
Speaker 7: slept with the guy's wife or something or something. It
Speaker 7: was something very bizarre like that, but he set it
Speaker 7: up perfectly. Oh my god, just thinking of this guy.
Speaker 7: So what happened this story about Gary's not so I
Speaker 7: got to speed it up real quick. But so, he
Speaker 7: was already in the f federal system for payroll taxes
Speaker 7: and he was on probation for some form of probation,
Speaker 7: some form of probation before he worked for Big O
Speaker 7: over payroll taxes. But of course he had a story
Speaker 7: for me about that as well. But I knew this,
Speaker 7: so I reached out to his federal parole officer and
Speaker 7: I sent her all this information. He was writing checks,
Speaker 7: forging checks with my name on it, everything, So she
Speaker 7: got involved. He ended up doing two and a half
Speaker 7: years in the federal prison system, and I learned this,
Speaker 7: You immediately get twenty percent good behavior unless you blow it.
Speaker 7: So he basically did about two years federal. His wife
Speaker 7: divorced him in the meantime. This guy was so crooked
Speaker 7: though he ran out before whatever he did with the
Speaker 7: tax evasion where the Feds were involved, right before he
Speaker 7: was in court okay, and got probate and everything. He
Speaker 7: was afraid he was going to go to prison for
Speaker 7: a year or two. He ran out and adopted a
Speaker 7: child with his wife. The kid's name was Max. He
Speaker 7: ran out and adopted a child. Okay, was in front
Speaker 7: of the judge. We just adopted the child. Here's the kid.
Speaker 7: They pleaded the case. He didn't get any jail or
Speaker 7: prison time, didn't get any because of this kid. Apparently
Speaker 7: after it went over, I didn't even know this was
Speaker 7: a thing. They brought the kid back. Can you even imagine?
Speaker 7: And it's a true story.
Speaker 11: That's dirty to do.
Speaker 7: Even this is all from and where I learn all
Speaker 7: this isn't from Gary. It's the parole officer who is
Speaker 7: actually a federal attorney. It's not a parole officer. She
Speaker 7: was the federal DA or what are they called, United
Speaker 7: States attorney going after this guy. So I learned all
Speaker 7: about his past. Once he robbed me and he gets
Speaker 7: to two and a half years the next place he
Speaker 7: went and I got to finish his story here Gary.
Speaker 6: So he gets out of prison on googling his name.
Speaker 6: You know, the guy ripped me off big time.
Speaker 7: So I'm always checking up on him because if he
Speaker 7: gets back into the automotive business. I'm going to call
Speaker 7: up and warn somebody just like that poor Sap did
Speaker 7: to me. I'm gonna warn him better though. I'm gonna
Speaker 7: tell him how good the guy is. He goes to Schenectady,
Speaker 7: New York. He talks the mayor of Schenectady, listen to
Speaker 7: this into rehabbing these homes. So he goes in and
Speaker 7: he's gonna gut them. Then he's gonna use his people
Speaker 7: to rebuild them. He'll pay the property taxes, then they'll
Speaker 7: split the profit after their rehabbed. I mean a lot
Speaker 7: of older communities do this. Everybody's heard of it. He
Speaker 7: goes in, he makes all these deals. There's one person
Speaker 7: where the news story came out that goes, this guy
Speaker 7: seems like a front. There was one guy on the
Speaker 7: commission there that just was like, this guy doesn't smell
Speaker 7: good and we don't want to deal with them. But
Speaker 7: everybody else out voted him. The mayor stamped it. He
Speaker 7: goes in and his idea of rehabbing is he him
Speaker 7: and his crew crew stripped all the copper, stripped anything
Speaker 7: of value out of the houses, and split town. And
Speaker 7: here's how I found it. I was googling this guy,
Speaker 7: Gary Pappis. I'm literally googling him one day and I
Speaker 7: see an article on him Schenectady and this one guy
Speaker 7: that smelled them knew the guy was bad. Was the
Speaker 7: guy in the article in the paper? So I read
Speaker 7: the article and sure enough, it was definitely the same guy.
Speaker 7: I mean, this guy was just a con and a
Speaker 7: creep from the beginning. I gotta take a break.