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<v Speaker 1>Ah, sweet Jesus and all the baby orphans, can we

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<v Speaker 1>please have some fucking rain, rain, rain, rain.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's rain. Everything's yellow out there. Basically everything is that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's dead, dead bits with the soil underneath, and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>All the trees are dying.

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<v Speaker 2>It's something that even let's think that reform HQ, they're

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<v Speaker 2>all going mist The climate's changed a bit. Who said that?

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<v Speaker 2>Who said the climates changing? Well, I did this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's hotter than it used to be, right, send

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<v Speaker 2>him out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I feel like we should have discussed this at

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<v Speaker 1>some point in the last maybe twenty five years or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's be perfectly honest. The writing has been on

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<v Speaker 2>the wall that this is happening. I mean, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>need to Let's be perfectly honest. Hang every minor as

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<v Speaker 2>in oh not er no er r from ages that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't need to go and actually kill all the

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<v Speaker 2>miners because of the sins of their past. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the climate has changed, and it's clearly obvious that it has.

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<v Speaker 2>And anyone who works on the land could have been

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<v Speaker 2>telling you this for the last five or six years.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that you started to see these weird weather patterns

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<v Speaker 2>and weird reactions of nature to what's going on around here.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, like, oh, isn't the blackthorn early?

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't the blackthorn early?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>The blackthorn is repeatedly early, and it's it's it's just

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<v Speaker 2>obvious what's been going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff's getting very very strange, and people have this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of positive spin on things. We're saying, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the vineyards of the Peak district are going to do

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<v Speaker 1>very well, and you can grow sweet chestnuts in Northway

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<v Speaker 1>now not if it doesn't fucking rain.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you could get a good tan on Irish white

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<v Speaker 4>skinned legs.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, Yeah, what Calum and I were together

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<v Speaker 1>with I'm just talking over you and there Calum and

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<v Speaker 1>I were together with Amy on. I think we measured

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<v Speaker 1>the tarmac temperature as about forty seven degrees on Friday

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<v Speaker 1>in a completely airless, no moving air, heat reflecting off

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<v Speaker 1>every metal surface car park in Skelmersdale, which is where

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<v Speaker 1>it told to be paid me to be there.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds very silly to be paid to be in

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<v Speaker 2>Skelmersdale car park, wouldn't you.

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<v Speaker 4>At one point I put my knee on the floor

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<v Speaker 4>and I burnt my knee. I was trying to get

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<v Speaker 4>a shot from a low angle and I actually burnt

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<v Speaker 4>my knee and I was like, this shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Happen here now, Yeah, no, not in Skelmersdale. Always been

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<v Speaker 2>hot in Skelmersdale.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't like I put my knee on like black

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<v Speaker 4>freshly laid tarmac or something. It was like gray, dusty

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<v Speaker 4>gravel and it still burnt my knee.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, mad I was there to fly drones and

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<v Speaker 1>it's at one point I just put the drone hovering

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<v Speaker 1>above my head and use it as sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>way of cooling down.

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<v Speaker 3>What is by drone? I have to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Harvest is in full swing here in Sunny Suffering, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's the reports thus far is that the oil seed

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<v Speaker 2>rape is coming in and itat's looking quite good because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not entirely sure how farmers seem to have universally

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<v Speaker 2>got around the stem flea beetle and not being allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to use neo nickeotinoids. But from a crop that was

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<v Speaker 2>sort of more or less written off about three or

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<v Speaker 2>four years ago, it's now they've managed to grow it

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<v Speaker 2>effectively and well done them, And I'm told it's okay beans.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad news is that they are about the size of peas,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they'll be making a loss again. And barley,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean hell, that was starting to come in about

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<v Speaker 2>three weeks ago, and wheat is ready to go as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But really bizarrely is I did some of my very

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<v Speaker 2>amateurish wheat testing by doing the sort of test between

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<v Speaker 2>your teeth.

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<v Speaker 1>And this podcast that amateurish announcement.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically is it's the prodcast for amateurs, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I did that sort of you know, grip test between

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<v Speaker 2>your teeth, and I nearly lost the bloody mola because

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<v Speaker 2>it's that that grow hard and desiccated already. So for

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<v Speaker 2>the least, the dentists are in business exactly. The dentists

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<v Speaker 2>are coming out well from it. And also all those

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<v Speaker 2>know nothings who seem to think that round up is

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<v Speaker 2>somehow akin to the Satan's own spawn. No one's having

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<v Speaker 2>to spray anything off because the sun has done it all.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's as desiccated as hell. I've heard eight tons

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<v Speaker 2>a hectare on some wheak around here, which is pretty good,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's very dry. So therefore they're having the guys

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<v Speaker 2>are having to work extremely early in the morning when

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<v Speaker 2>there's a bit of moisture about, and it's it's quite

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<v Speaker 2>bizarre because at the moment I am working on a

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<v Speaker 2>project to try and bring thatching straw back to the

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<v Speaker 2>rotations in our farm cluster. And I have you and

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<v Speaker 2>you put something off for absolutely ages ages away. This

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<v Speaker 2>age of harvest is until co ages away. It's now

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<v Speaker 2>what we on July the fourteenth, and some people are

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<v Speaker 2>the third of the way through harvest and I'm thinking, shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't actually even sorted out yet. This rather obscure.

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<v Speaker 2>Maris Widgeon, that's the name of the sea that we've

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<v Speaker 2>got to get.

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<v Speaker 1>There is that's a BBC Radio Suffolk presenter.

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<v Speaker 2>Surely, Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>A very good idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, it's the sort of thing Maris Wigeon does.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I write all my complaint letters.

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<v Speaker 1>Put that in the book. Put that in the other book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yours, sincerely, Maris Wigeon.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll keep writing into Shooting Times asking where Richard nigis is.

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<v Speaker 4>He was my best best writer ever. Love Maaris Wigeon.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like that one, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Baris ma Marris, Maris Wigeon, that's what we're after there

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<v Speaker 2>is only thirty tons of seed available from harvest twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six, and we've managed to ring fence five tons

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<v Speaker 2>of that for our usage. You imagine having only having

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<v Speaker 2>thirty tons of this stuff in the whole country that

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<v Speaker 2>we can use, and so we have ring fenced five

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<v Speaker 2>tons of that to go into the high suffolk, plus

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<v Speaker 2>that thatching straw we're going to go and save the

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<v Speaker 2>planet project.

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<v Speaker 1>Very comendable.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there's quite a lot of because seeds and things

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<v Speaker 4>trade in a specific way. Quite a lot of people that,

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<v Speaker 4>especially in America, that were farmers or got into farmers,

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<v Speaker 4>end up in finance because they spend their whole life

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<v Speaker 4>like trading wheat and commodities, pricing and looking at forecasting,

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<v Speaker 4>and eventually they're like, yeah, I could farm this, or

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<v Speaker 4>I could just trade the stuff that I'm trading already

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<v Speaker 4>and do it times one thousand and make lots of money. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 4>like the American Farm Conferences is a bit like going

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<v Speaker 4>to Bloomberg or something. It becomes so entrenched in finance

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<v Speaker 4>it's mad well not.

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<v Speaker 1>A million miles away from that. And this is another

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<v Speaker 1>bit of Richard Nigas journalism. In the Scribe Hound Writers chatterday,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a discussion about pigeons, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>tribute what to whom, But it was about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>someone posting on Instagram or somewhere that they'd shot eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pigeons or something like that. Wasn't there some ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>number of pigeons and is that the right thing to

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<v Speaker 1>be putting on social media? And you made the calculation

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<v Speaker 1>it was, you know, so many, that was only so

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<v Speaker 1>many kilos of seed that they've taken.

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<v Speaker 2>Me kill eight hundred pigeons will have consumed forty kilograms

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<v Speaker 2>of wheat. So you know, we always say, is we're

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<v Speaker 2>shooting pigeons as a pest. Now, most definitely you are

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<v Speaker 2>if you're shooting them over young emerging ps or oil

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<v Speaker 2>seed rape when that's coming up, you know, it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to second leaf stage and they come in and mallet

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't grow back again. They are a serious

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<v Speaker 2>agricultural pest. But if you're shooting them right now and

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<v Speaker 2>you shoot eight hundred and they are basically consuming combinable wheat.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at what the average average pigeon crop can

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<v Speaker 2>take and if you shot eight hundred, they would only

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<v Speaker 2>have forty kilos of wheat inside their crop combined, which

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<v Speaker 2>comes to about two pounds eighty three at current wheat prices.

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<v Speaker 1>So given current cartridge prices EI pigeon select cartridge, I

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<v Speaker 1>think yeah, exactly, it's a bit more. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like thirty, isn't it thirteen or fourteen quid for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five. Yeah, unless you're buying a slab, you'd be

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<v Speaker 1>better off just going into the field pointing at eight

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<v Speaker 1>hundred pigeons and then digging out a fiver from your wallet, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and handing it over to the farmer. It would both

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<v Speaker 1>being profit exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what a pigeon breast retail's at, but

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's there's no doubt about it. The pigeon

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<v Speaker 2>is an agricultural pest and it annoyed the wick off

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<v Speaker 2>me when those people from Wild Justice started messing around

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<v Speaker 2>with the license.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't started on that in Wales. We lost a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You did, agreed and it and one would argue that

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that they really did by fiddling around with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and do you know in a way they're right, is

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<v Speaker 2>that just treating various species as sporting targets. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a there is an argument saying did you need to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot that now? But from their meddling, they most definitely was.

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<v Speaker 2>And the GWCT did some research which sadly really didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get any of the recognition that it should have done.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there was a demonstrable decline in that year in

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<v Speaker 2>wild broods of pheasants and gray partridges, Curtis of the

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<v Speaker 2>number of corvids that are around courtesy of their shenanigans,

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<v Speaker 2>and do you know what, it was noticeable that a

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<v Speaker 2>fairly honest broker. I know he he isn't everyone's mate,

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<v Speaker 2>but Mark Avery dipped out of well justice by that

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<v Speaker 2>point because I think he's got a very big be

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<v Speaker 2>in his bonnet about driven grouse shooting. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>on the whole he is actually an honest broker, and

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<v Speaker 2>he dipped out of that now, whether that was due

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<v Speaker 2>to his slightly poor health or whether it's because he went,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what, just winning this battle is not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily doing anything for his war effort. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Yolo Williams about this the one time I

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<v Speaker 1>met him, although it was in my mustache owning period

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<v Speaker 1>about a year and a half ago. So the one

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<v Speaker 1>photo of me stood next to is and wearing very

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<v Speaker 1>short shorts, a very short T shirt and I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a mustache and look like I've just jumped out of

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<v Speaker 1>the bushes that are on a.

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<v Speaker 2>Heath or you're a seller scout, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly that. Yes, it's the Rhodesian. Yeah, yeah. I asked

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<v Speaker 1>him about this and he said, well, you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>the general licenses, you have to follow the science, and

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<v Speaker 1>the science says that the numbers of magpies were declining.

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<v Speaker 1>But as we've spoken about several times on here before,

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<v Speaker 1>that's complete bollocks because there's not a huge army of

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<v Speaker 1>ecologists out there whose sole job is to record the

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<v Speaker 1>bird numbers. It's things are recorded through your local ecological

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<v Speaker 1>record keeping, and that still relies on people being asked

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<v Speaker 1>to actually record stuff. So the more common things are,

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<v Speaker 1>the less likely they are to record it. So then, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the common things will decline under that methodology, just in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of sheer numbers, unless you're counting everything, and no

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, quite so anyway, cheers, cheers, cheers for a hot day.

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<v Speaker 4>Cheers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so other podcasts in our sector, they do what

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<v Speaker 1>are you drinking? So I think guns on pegs do that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what do you What are you drinking there, Richard?

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<v Speaker 2>I am drinking the Premiere crew Asphol Cider, A good drink.

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<v Speaker 1>For How are you there, young Callen?

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<v Speaker 4>I can't afford real bs. I'm drinking Banditos from Audi

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<v Speaker 4>Despasitos and.

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<v Speaker 1>Later I might live on Desperadoes.

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<v Speaker 4>Eighteen fifty seven, cronin Iceberg. I love an Audi special

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<v Speaker 4>Me love they do like all that stuff, don't They?

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<v Speaker 2>On guns on pegs asking what people are drinking? What

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<v Speaker 2>color are your garters?

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<v Speaker 1>I think they should be applauded in how open they

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<v Speaker 1>can be at times. Yes, and it's very difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>guns on pegs and see what they're saying. Now portable,

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<v Speaker 1>have a few sausages after a workday. Bloody fantastic. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it's quite brave to come out with that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, mainstream podcast, Isn't it? Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that good for young people to be encouraged to

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<v Speaker 1>I mean with willing participants of a valid age and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's able to give consent in a correct way and

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<v Speaker 4>For a while, I support support Avian in his LGT

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<v Speaker 4>HGTV plus Sky TV endeavor fantastic. You know, I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 4>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they're going to bought him with a prop.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you going to hold his coat for him?

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<v Speaker 2>I think they call me an ally. It's not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm an ally that on Pegg's ally.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why I am on on Blue Sky.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps you know, we were discussing what T shirts we

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<v Speaker 2>should have, and perhaps we should have Country Slide Guns

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<v Speaker 2>on Pegs. Ally, take it up the shute. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>nice side, it's a nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Just I think just take it up the Shute be

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<v Speaker 4>a great T shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>Just off of one. I'll just send it to Avian.

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<v Speaker 1>If you listen to the rest of that Guns on

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<v Speaker 1>Pegs episode, it is very homo erotic. They talk about

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<v Speaker 1>sort of leather based fire flappers that you can get

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<v Speaker 1>used for other purposes, and yeah, there's there's all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I went on there once and they made me

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<v Speaker 3>Afterwards, I mean, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, people keep saying that the countryside is a race

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<v Speaker 2>and be not diverse. Well, I mean Avian's Cornish. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I mean that's that's an ethnic minority, is.

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<v Speaker 1>An ethnic minority, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly there's diversity as you've just portrayed there with that

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<v Speaker 2>shortcut Richard.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah it is. And I found gay racists in

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<v Speaker 1>the countryside quite often.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, yeah, nothing wrong, for some of my best friends

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing anyway enough talking about it. I've heard some.

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<v Speaker 4>The countryside is full of the most diverse people ever,

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<v Speaker 4>and not specifically ethnicity. I will say that's slightly skewed

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<v Speaker 4>to the to the general.

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<v Speaker 1>British, but the kind.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the people you get on shoot days, you've got

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<v Speaker 4>proper local types. You go up to like a Norfolk

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<v Speaker 4>a Norfolk shoot day, and you listen to the people

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<v Speaker 4>that are in the beating line up. You'll have you

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<v Speaker 4>have people that are like some shoots, you'll have people

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<v Speaker 4>that are heart surgeons at the one of the best

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<v Speaker 4>hospitals in the world. And then you'll have someone that

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<v Speaker 4>you think I wouldn't possibly trust you to look after

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<v Speaker 4>my cat, like for if I went away for the weekend, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure how you got dressed this morning. So

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<v Speaker 4>you've got the you've got the shotgun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, how did you?

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<v Speaker 4>I know why you're in the beating team and not

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<v Speaker 4>with a gun, because.

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<v Speaker 2>Is no word of a life, you know, on a

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<v Speaker 2>you know, before you have a day, you go and

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<v Speaker 2>have a sweepsteak on the numbers of birds are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be shot and the numbers of cartridges which will

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<v Speaker 2>be expended on that. I went on a day once

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<v Speaker 2>where all the guns and all the beaters are all

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<v Speaker 2>in the same sort of shed. A barn would be

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<v Speaker 2>to give it too much sort of credibility, in credence

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<v Speaker 2>before we said, and there were three x's, right, which

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<v Speaker 2>were put in where you put your name, so they'd

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<v Speaker 2>sort of put numbers, and they'd put an x, a

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<v Speaker 2>scribble which could have been thirty one, could have been

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred and forty two, and then another scribble for

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<v Speaker 2>cartridges expended, and you think you actually can't write, can you?

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<v Speaker 2>And these you look at these old boys and you think, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know they've got quite a good farward business, or

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<v Speaker 2>they're very good agricultural contractors. But you just know that

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<v Speaker 2>they left school probably at fourteen at the request of

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<v Speaker 2>the head master, and they paid no attention from the

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<v Speaker 2>probably about the age of ten. But if you speak

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<v Speaker 2>to them about I don't know what the linits, they

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<v Speaker 2>will give you an expert opinion on that. But you

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<v Speaker 2>ask them to go and write down how many shots,

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<v Speaker 2>how many cartridges you think might have been expended, and

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<v Speaker 2>how many birds are going to be shot, they can't

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<v Speaker 2>write the numbers and their own name is basically a squiggle.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite fascinating.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, that's quite extreme to be that illiterate, even like

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<v Speaker 4>pick up quite basic stuff. But yeah, that does exist.

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<v Speaker 4>It's quite mad that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I could probably find you ten people in the

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<v Speaker 1>local area who are can point to and go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're at that level. Yeah, because particularly if

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<v Speaker 1>it was if it wasn't just right down for the sweepstake,

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<v Speaker 1>it was apply to the Welsh government for this ground,

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<v Speaker 1>or apply for this thing, or fill in this form

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that you don't get fined because you've

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<v Speaker 1>done a prior notification of storage of waste or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. You know, they're just that whole world that

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<v Speaker 1>they have to work with it in order to say

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<v Speaker 1>legal just doesn't exist for them now because of it,

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<v Speaker 1>there are organizations. So we're here in Wales, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>farming connect and you can go to them and basically say,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do this, but I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>how to get this ground. I have no idea what's

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<v Speaker 1>available for me. And they'll tell you. You'll tell you, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the things you can apply for. They'll help

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<v Speaker 1>you find funded training for chainsaw tickets and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is some help out there, but there are

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<v Speaker 1>there are quite a few people still there like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you say they are, they have so much

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge about things that have just gone by, and I

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<v Speaker 1>will mourn their passing a little bit because they're just

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<v Speaker 1>they were a feature of the countryside that just won't

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<v Speaker 1>be there.

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<v Speaker 2>I think utterly they are a feature of the countryside

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<v Speaker 2>and probably they would be now diagnosed with dyspraxia or

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<v Speaker 2>dyslexia or those things. They would just consider me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five and I know that kids in my era

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<v Speaker 2>who were slow were put in the remedial class where

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<v Speaker 2>they basically were given bits of last the scene and

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<v Speaker 2>was saying, you know, if you go you're you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be fit for nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>And say.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing I find about a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>old boys is that they truly.

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<v Speaker 3>Struggle to write their name.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you actually engage with them, there is a

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<v Speaker 2>level of reticence which I think you find quite frequently in.

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<v Speaker 3>Rural working class people.

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<v Speaker 2>If you've got an accent like mine, they think is

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<v Speaker 2>he one of them? In one of us? Is he easy?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he one of them? But you go and chat

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<v Speaker 2>them very quickly or discover gosh, they are the absolute

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<v Speaker 2>doi ends of society, and they're probably the person who

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<v Speaker 2>is the captain of the bell ringers and is also

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<v Speaker 2>the one and only person who can tell you exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where you're going to go and find a hazel dorm ouse.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I say, long long live them, but sadly

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<v Speaker 2>they disappearing fast.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, asked the fellow as w cut the hay.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something that's come up very very recently for upland management.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, Richard Prideau here. Yes, that's right, the one

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<v Speaker 1>in Wales, not the one who messes around with hedges,

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<v Speaker 1>although I have been known to fondle a hedge or two.

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<v Speaker 1>This is well, this is an insert. This is Richard

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<v Speaker 1>from the future. Really just telling you what's happening with

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<v Speaker 1>a few things that forgot to put in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a bit crap. The game fair bingo card that

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<v Speaker 1>is ready to go pretty much. We've just got one

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<v Speaker 1>more thing to work out. But they will be available

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<v Speaker 1>to purchase online from nine am on Saturday morning, So

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<v Speaker 1>that's this coming Saturday, which I believe is the eighteenth

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<v Speaker 1>of July. At nine am, they will be live and

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<v Speaker 1>ready to purchase. And the way it works is that

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<v Speaker 1>you go to well the link in the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the episode notes for this, or you go to store

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<v Speaker 1>dot Sidecountry dot co dot uk. There you'll see it

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<v Speaker 1>available as a product. Now it will only cost one

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<v Speaker 1>pound because basically you're downloading an A four PDF to

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<v Speaker 1>print off yourself. But there'll be three options. You can

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<v Speaker 1>choose option one, two or three and you'll get the

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<v Speaker 1>bingo card appropriate for that number. And on there you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find all sorts of things that you can then tick

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<v Speaker 1>off and see at the game fare and the winner

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<v Speaker 1>gets well, the winner gets to know that they've won,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it. But I want you to tag us

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<v Speaker 1>on social media, tag Country Slide on Instagram or Twitter

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<v Speaker 1>or x whatever we're calling it. This week and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see who you've seen there. So if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>take a photo of a wolf on a fleecy jumper,

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<v Speaker 1>or a dog in a pram or a pith helmet

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<v Speaker 1>or an inappropriate kilt, then you can do so. Just

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<v Speaker 1>try not to get yourselves in trouble. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>see your photos if you can. And all of the

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<v Speaker 1>profits from this, because there's a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>card processing fee. It's not much, it's a couple of pens,

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<v Speaker 1>but it knocks it off every amount. All of the

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<v Speaker 1>profits from this go to the GWCT, so they'll get

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<v Speaker 1>we'll pay them the money afterwards, so they get the money.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's all a bit of fun. It's all very

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<v Speaker 1>very silly, but they get the money. The other thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that we finally have T shirts. They will also

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<v Speaker 1>be available to buy. If you go to the link

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<v Speaker 1>in the show notes, you can go and buy your

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<v Speaker 1>T shirts. Now, these are a bit of a test.

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<v Speaker 1>We are working out whether this is going to work,

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<v Speaker 1>whether these designs work, whether we've got the placement on

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<v Speaker 1>the shirt correct, the printing, all of these little things.

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<v Speaker 1>So the way we've set it up is that we

425
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<v Speaker 1>are selling them at what it costs us. So we're

426
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<v Speaker 1>going via a thing called t Mill which allows us

427
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<v Speaker 1>to just upload the designs and then they print your

428
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<v Speaker 1>T shirt when you order, and they send your T

429
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<v Speaker 1>shirt to you. We are listing them up until the

430
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<v Speaker 1>game there at cost price. So whatever the price that's

431
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<v Speaker 1>listed on there, that is we're not making any money

432
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<v Speaker 1>from out that's all going to that company, but you

433
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<v Speaker 1>get them at the cheapest price. We can possibly make

434
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<v Speaker 1>it so that you can you can buy it, you

435
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<v Speaker 1>can test it, you can see whether it works. We

436
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<v Speaker 1>want your feedback. We want your feedback of could this

437
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<v Speaker 1>logo be a bit smaller, could it go a bit lower,

438
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<v Speaker 1>go a bit higher for the ladies? Maybe Well, I

439
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<v Speaker 1>don't know whether you want dirty dunnucks pressed all the

440
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<v Speaker 1>way across your lady lumps and exactly where you want them,

441
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<v Speaker 1>But well you can give the feedback because I have

442
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<v Speaker 1>no idea. But there will be female specific sizes. There's

443
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<v Speaker 1>a few different options in there. So we've tried to

444
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<v Speaker 1>make everything as clear as possible and that's why it's

445
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<v Speaker 1>taken a little while to set up. Please go to

446
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<v Speaker 1>the links in the show notes. That's the little bit

447
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<v Speaker 1>of description you get with a podcast and at nine

448
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<v Speaker 1>am or Saturday morning to buy all of these shiny,

449
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>lovely things. Right anyway, back to the pod. Well, as

450
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I look out of the window, we're about to have

451
00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 1>a fantastic sunset because the air is absolutely full of

452
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:18.079
<v Speaker 1>smoke particles. These are actually from the Peak District wildfires.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Because our local wildfires here in Wales, they're all being

454
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<v Speaker 1>blown out towards islands. They're getting our smoke and we're

455
00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:29.920
<v Speaker 1>getting smoke from Oldham, so it's blowing all the way

456
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:32.480
<v Speaker 1>over here. Oh yeah, it was. It was a very

457
00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>very hazy day for most of the day and you

458
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:38.640
<v Speaker 1>can smell. You can smell burning heather and burning burning

459
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>wood out and outside. I've got friends in Canada who

460
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<v Speaker 1>talk about this, you know. So, oh you smell the

461
00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:48.680
<v Speaker 1>smoke from these wildfires hundreds of miles away and you go, yeah, yeah, right,

462
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>but bloody hell you can.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that? I mean, it's clearly that the

464
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<v Speaker 2>wildfire thing is the whole playbook that the Moorland groups

465
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 2>and whatnot have been saying, this is an accident waiting

466
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<v Speaker 2>to happen.

467
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 3>Has now happened.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that their warnings went unheeded because a

469
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<v Speaker 2>they were slightly aggressive in some of their tactics earlier on.

470
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<v Speaker 2>Or is it be just because people would rather almost

471
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<v Speaker 2>see people fry other than admit that grousemore owners and

472
00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:34.359
<v Speaker 2>those who managed grousemores were correct.

473
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<v Speaker 1>I've got slightly different take on it here in Wales,

474
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<v Speaker 1>but this kind of okay, this actually illustrates the points

475
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<v Speaker 1>I think. So we have one grouse moore here in Wales,

476
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<v Speaker 1>one active grouse moore and that's right on the Welsh

477
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<v Speaker 1>border near Rexham, tiny little place kept very well. It's

478
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 1>where you find black grouse as well. So we've got that.

479
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>To the rest of it. We've got lots of abandoned

480
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 1>grousemores which are now just sheep grazing.

481
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you showed me something, Yeah, exactly.

482
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Wanted to see them basically covered in bracken, bracken and

483
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:07.319
<v Speaker 1>dead heather from the flea beetle that's gone through. And

484
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>you will just think about that bit we drove that

485
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.839
<v Speaker 1>high road where we met that mad old man with

486
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the model gliders. Yes, that bit. Now, given how dry

487
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.839
<v Speaker 1>it is, if you just went up there with a match,

488
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 1>you could probably get the whole hillside going in five minutes.

489
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<v Speaker 1>So we don't have grouse small. So the grousemoll management

490
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<v Speaker 1>argument doesn't exist in Wales really and as such the

491
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Maland Association doesn't, you know, because it's not relevant here.

492
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 1>National Gamekeepers Organization, who have a huge input into this

493
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>bask all these other places don't really have a voice

494
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:46.359
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to upland management because although there are

495
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:49.559
<v Speaker 1>shoots up on uplands in Wales, they're not grouse shoots

496
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and they're not managed for that. They're just sort of

497
00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:53.920
<v Speaker 1>pheasant pens at the edge of a mountain. So it's

498
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 1>Natural Resources Whales and the NFU and Farmers Union for Whales.

499
00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 1>They're they're sort of the ones that talk, and then

500
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<v Speaker 1>you've got the fire services. Well, land management doesn't really

501
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 1>come into it as much as you would think with that,

502
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.599
<v Speaker 1>so the argument here is about they just say, oh,

503
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.400
<v Speaker 1>just re wet or let trees grow, and that's about it.

504
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.799
<v Speaker 1>The National Resources Whales really restricted burning. So I think

505
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 1>where we're at now is you can only burn from

506
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.559
<v Speaker 1>November the one March the fifteenth, and if you do

507
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 1>it a day outside of that, you in Nakazya farm payments.

508
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>So what a lot of places do they mow and

509
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:38.279
<v Speaker 1>they use robot flail mowers and things to mow up

510
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>and down. But what this does is leaves a lot

511
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 1>of woody debris behind as well, so there's virtually no

512
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.880
<v Speaker 1>burning happens here now. And what's just happened on Conway Mountain,

513
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>which is where Gareth Wyne Jones previously mentioned on this podcast.

514
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:57.759
<v Speaker 1>He where he farms, and two hundred acres went up

515
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:04.359
<v Speaker 1>this weekend, but it stopped at places where there was

516
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>a change of vegetation, so where there was a dry

517
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.039
<v Speaker 1>stone wall and that there was sort of grazing one

518
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<v Speaker 1>side and not the other, or a track, a very

519
00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:16.759
<v Speaker 1>well used track and footway in between two zones. It

520
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<v Speaker 1>stopped dead there so it didn't jump over. And already

521
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that's being used to say, okay, so that's why you

522
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:26.759
<v Speaker 1>should have fire breaks, that's why you should have areas

523
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>cut through and things like that. In England. I do

524
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<v Speaker 1>think that the Morder Association of people that did say

525
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>things a lot, They said a lot of stuff that

526
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<v Speaker 1>probably natural England probably fought back against. They said, well,

527
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<v Speaker 1>if you're saying that will do the exact opposite then

528
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and it was only when maybe the National Trust and

529
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:54.240
<v Speaker 1>those kind of landowners actually said no, we're really concerned

530
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>about wildfire and arbits as well. Can we start managing

531
00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.119
<v Speaker 1>it like a grouse moore, just without the fox shooting.

532
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Speaker 1>So when Natural and England sort of relented, but I

533
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.960
<v Speaker 1>don't I don't think it was just a case they've

534
00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>got the wrong message. I think it was that Natural

535
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>England and don't particularly care what happens on the uplands

536
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:20.599
<v Speaker 1>beyond what they can measure in terms of is this

537
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<v Speaker 1>peat and we know the peat map that they have

538
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>is wrong. They do like, well, we're just going to

539
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.039
<v Speaker 1>try and rewt this and put leaky damse in and

540
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:31.559
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. That'll all fix everything, without actually going

541
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.319
<v Speaker 1>to check it on the ground, and without accounting for

542
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:38.119
<v Speaker 1>as we discussed at the beginning of the show, the

543
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>factor doesn't bloody rain anymore. Yeah, quiet in the summer.

544
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the biggest problem is Natural England aren't

545
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:47.359
<v Speaker 1>paying attention to the effects of what they've done more

546
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 1>than you know, the messaging from the organizations. I don't know,

547
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>because it's not something that ever really comes across in

548
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:54.559
<v Speaker 1>stuff is that you don't have unless you have a combat.

549
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:55.480
<v Speaker 1>That's about it.

550
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh funny enough, that was it Literally the first guy,

551
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.440
<v Speaker 2>so went on the on the farm WhatsApp group went

552
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to start the barley today and went, well

553
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>you're brave and early, and hey, presto, massive fire went

554
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:11.960
<v Speaker 2>up just because.

555
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean the thing I find wholly oxymoronic.

556
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 2>I went down to a I was invited to a

557
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>meeting down at the headquarters of the GWCT down in

558
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<v Speaker 2>the New Forest, and I thought, I'm going to have

559
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.000
<v Speaker 2>a drive round because I've not been down to the

560
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<v Speaker 2>New Forest since I was a child. And I thought, well,

561
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have a bit of a bimbal round.

562
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:38.559
<v Speaker 3>And I was driving along some.

563
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 5>Little open road through the New Forest, and all of

564
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:49.279
<v Speaker 5>a sudden my view was obscured by a mass of smoke.

565
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:55.799
<v Speaker 2>And they are burning the new Forest, because that's how

566
00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:58.960
<v Speaker 2>they managed there, exactly the same way as in the uplands.

567
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>They manage the ingress of scrub by burning, and they

568
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>are legally allowed to do so between the first of

569
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 2>November and the thirty first of Arch. Quite understand, the

570
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:16.359
<v Speaker 2>same principle as you would have in the uplands is

571
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.000
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to go and disturb that's.

572
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:21.000
<v Speaker 4>Quite It's quite wet at that point, though, Is that

573
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 4>not really hard to burn.

574
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:26.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the thing that they do the same exactly

575
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:30.680
<v Speaker 2>the same with the uplands, is that they're not burning

576
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.000
<v Speaker 2>at a time. I mean, you think about it, you

577
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>are burning heather because it's a natural process. It's something

578
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>we've been doing.

579
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Is the earliest.

580
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they've actually.

581
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:46.240
<v Speaker 3>Proven that this is not just old, this is proper old.

582
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.640
<v Speaker 4>They reckon that carbon dated it.

583
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.599
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, I mean that the oldest thousand, the

584
00:33:53.759 --> 00:34:00.680
<v Speaker 2>oldest known use of fire by man for heating from

585
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Suffolk and it was Neanderthal human beings doing it, and

586
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 2>it was my great grandfather.

587
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:10.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes, the.

588
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Negus spelled ng, which I know is a bit dodgy

589
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.079
<v Speaker 2>on the old name in front, but it's something which

590
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.360
<v Speaker 2>we have done for such a long time.

591
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.199
<v Speaker 3>It's quite literally a trace memory of humans.

592
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 2>It's how we cleared the forest, is how we we

593
00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.320
<v Speaker 2>opened up places of scrub so that we could put

594
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:38.119
<v Speaker 2>our cattle on and graze it there. But if they're

595
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.039
<v Speaker 2>allowed to do it in the new forest and in

596
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 2>the new forest, apparently they're quite happy with that because

597
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:47.679
<v Speaker 2>that is done by Forestry England and the verderers of

598
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 2>the new forest, and the verderers and the New Forest,

599
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.159
<v Speaker 2>although their history goes back that they were basically the

600
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.079
<v Speaker 2>deer hunters of the.

601
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 3>New Forest when it was a deer park.

602
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.920
<v Speaker 2>That's acceptable because they're doing it, and apparently that carbon

603
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>is okay that they're releasing there from doing that. But

604
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>the moment you happen to be a bloke in the

605
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.880
<v Speaker 2>uplands and you're doing it for the purposes of exactly

606
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the same thing as what the verderers and Forestry England

607
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.679
<v Speaker 2>are doing down in the New Forest, it suddenly turns

608
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 2>into the worst thing ever. And but it is just

609
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:30.119
<v Speaker 2>something that I think is that possibly this is something

610
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 2>that's coming to buy us and I use us in

611
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:36.519
<v Speaker 2>inverted commas in the ars is. We've been so vociferous

612
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:42.519
<v Speaker 2>about saying, you stupid bloody towny tony Juniper, you've got

613
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.280
<v Speaker 2>no idea what you're talking about. If we had actually

614
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.000
<v Speaker 2>slightly had been like the verderers of the New Forest

615
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and said this is our historic way of managing the more,

616
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 2>we might have got away with it. But as it

617
00:35:56.360 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>turns out, you in North Wales and of smelling smuts

618
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:07.000
<v Speaker 2>of wildfires under your nose, because the likes of Juniper's

619
00:36:07.119 --> 00:36:10.159
<v Speaker 2>gang of incompetence have allowed this to happen.

620
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:13.360
<v Speaker 1>So have you ever read any of the stuff about

621
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 1>wildfire in North America? How they managed that?

622
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.760
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so it's not about Suffolk. I don't read anything.

623
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 4>But the ones in like California and stuff are crazy,

624
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:23.920
<v Speaker 4>aren't they?

625
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:26.440
<v Speaker 1>They are? And there's there's a very interesting history with

626
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the US Forest Service. So and we can learn a

627
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.159
<v Speaker 1>lot of that from here, about a lot of from that.

628
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:34.559
<v Speaker 1>For here was a good book on this by a

629
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>guy called Philip Connors, I think, and it's called Fire

630
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Season and it's he is one of these guys that

631
00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:44.880
<v Speaker 1>used to do seasonal fire lookout work one of these

632
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.840
<v Speaker 1>big towers. Yeah, and you'd live in this tower and

633
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 1>this little cabin next to it, and you just spend

634
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:52.119
<v Speaker 1>all of your time up there, and your whole job

635
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:55.039
<v Speaker 1>in the summer was to spot fires in the distance

636
00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 1>and get a range and a bearing from it on

637
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.039
<v Speaker 1>that fire. And then you caught radio another tower and

638
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:02.320
<v Speaker 1>see if they can see it, and they get a

639
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 1>range on it, and you triangulate the position based on that.

640
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Really interesting system. But they in they talks about the

641
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:13.679
<v Speaker 1>change from what was there in the middle of the

642
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:18.159
<v Speaker 1>twentieth century, which was complete suppression of every single fire.

643
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Always put a fire output. You know, work really hard

644
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:23.280
<v Speaker 1>to any forest fire, any grassland fire of any type,

645
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>put it out the moment, spot a huge effort to

646
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.239
<v Speaker 1>put it out. No fires should exist. And what they

647
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.000
<v Speaker 1>learned from that was what you do is you build

648
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>up a lot of woody debris and a lot of

649
00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.320
<v Speaker 1>fire load that then when you do get a fire

650
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:37.519
<v Speaker 1>that you can't get to in time, or it does

651
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 1>get there before and or you just can't fight it,

652
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>it will take everything because there's so much fuel there.

653
00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>You just generate so much heat that it'll be a

654
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 1>completely devastating wildfire rather than the smaller wildfire which can

655
00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:57.079
<v Speaker 1>be recovered from in the year or so. So they

656
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.639
<v Speaker 1>changed it to okay, now we assess the fire and see,

657
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.800
<v Speaker 1>should we just let this fire burn? Is it just

658
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>going to take away all this vegetation or this dead

659
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.519
<v Speaker 1>vegetation we don't need anymore, and actually reduces the fire

660
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:12.039
<v Speaker 1>risk by having lots of little fires rather than one

661
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.239
<v Speaker 1>big fire. And that's sort of where we are now

662
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 1>in the UK, that we don't have fire as part

663
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>of our management process anymore. And what that's done is

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<v Speaker 1>meant that when a fire does hit, it probably rips through.

665
00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:28.639
<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of tools for our listeners to go

666
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:32.559
<v Speaker 1>and have a look at. National Gamekeepers Organization have the

667
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.760
<v Speaker 1>MALL and Wildfire Danger Index and they've got this map

668
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 1>and keepers and land managers put on there. They do

669
00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>an assessment about how much you know, what risk therough

670
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 1>is of wildfire and it's about as bad as it

671
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.360
<v Speaker 1>can get at the moment. Everything's in extreme risk purple,

672
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>so that's quite interesting. If you've got a house on

673
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the edge of a Morland then yeah, you can go

674
00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and see how much danger you're in. There's also this

675
00:38:59.719 --> 00:39:03.639
<v Speaker 1>thing the thirty thirty thirty rule, which is if the

676
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:08.559
<v Speaker 1>weather and the temperatures are over thirty degrees, the relative

677
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.079
<v Speaker 1>humidity is below thirty percent, and the wind is over

678
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 1>thirty kilometers an hour, then that's apocalyptic wildfire scenario because

679
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:21.599
<v Speaker 1>you'll get very dry vegetation, all the volatile oils in

680
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the vegetation is already starting to evaporate in those temperatures

681
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.280
<v Speaker 1>as well, and then the wind will drive it quicker

682
00:39:28.320 --> 00:39:32.599
<v Speaker 1>than you can draft. Then you can fight it. And

683
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.840
<v Speaker 1>those are the conditions. When there was a couple of

684
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:40.719
<v Speaker 1>years ago there was a wildfire fighting team in the US,

685
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.639
<v Speaker 1>I think it was in Utah, got overtaken by fire,

686
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.639
<v Speaker 1>basically gone into the wrong place. They couldn't get out

687
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 1>of the gully they were in, and the fire overtook

688
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.760
<v Speaker 1>them and burnt them all to death in this one gully.

689
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 1>There's a film about it with Josh Brolin. You can

690
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 1>go and lock up. It's not a cheerful film.

691
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<v Speaker 3>One for the.

692
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Family on a Sunday afternoon when you're fed up with

693
00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:04.840
<v Speaker 2>our antiques roadshows.

694
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<v Speaker 1>Don't watch that, kids, wildfire scary.

695
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:11.199
<v Speaker 2>I have to say I know a few Upland keepers

696
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:19.079
<v Speaker 2>and their relationship with fire is that they they laugh

697
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:21.880
<v Speaker 2>because a friend of mine he sends me when they're

698
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 2>actually mirror burning up there. He sends me photographs and

699
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.599
<v Speaker 2>moving film and I go, no, you're going to die.

700
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.079
<v Speaker 2>And they know what they're doing. But they're also hugely

701
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>respectful of it. Now, I would just like to move

702
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:43.679
<v Speaker 2>this on slightly because being respectful of fire. I made

703
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>a comment before we start recording Country Slide, I happen

704
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>to say, callum, have you had your hair cut?

705
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 3>And now Richard's given us some really hot.

706
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Facts on.

707
00:41:03.119 --> 00:41:07.760
<v Speaker 2>Loading of burnable material. Calum, have you had your haircut off?

708
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Something else happened to it?

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00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, I had to have. I had a forced haircut.

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00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Due to.

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00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 4>So I have recently purchased a pizza oven.

712
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:26.880
<v Speaker 1>And remember listeners when we said he was addicted to

713
00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:30.000
<v Speaker 1>buying kitchen gadgets last week, And.

714
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.400
<v Speaker 4>In this pizza raven, at some point I filled the

715
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:36.360
<v Speaker 4>entirety of the pizza raven.

716
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:37.000
<v Speaker 3>With gas.

717
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:46.719
<v Speaker 4>Whatever the whatever the one is, so filling the oven

718
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:51.159
<v Speaker 4>with gas and then slightly opening the oven door and

719
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:57.159
<v Speaker 4>then pressing the ignition, so that caused a bush of

720
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.519
<v Speaker 4>flames to come out of said pizza oven and directly

721
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 4>into my face, which I held my arm up to

722
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:13.599
<v Speaker 4>defend my beauty from from fire. And I burned all

723
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:16.039
<v Speaker 4>of my a lot, quite a lot of my beard off,

724
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:21.440
<v Speaker 4>quite a lot of my eyebrows, I'd say fifty percent

725
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 4>of my eyelashes, which I think was the biggest shame,

726
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:26.639
<v Speaker 4>and most of my fringe.

727
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:34.760
<v Speaker 3>So to say, are very essex now they are.

728
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.920
<v Speaker 2>They are longer, so they are not her suit.

729
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:39.119
<v Speaker 5>Are they?

730
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>They were improved?

731
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, But the haircut I had to google it because

732
00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:47.199
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't remember it, because you know, I was born

733
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:53.360
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy one, So seventies glam rock is a

734
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 2>vague memory. But it is only a vague memory. But

735
00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>I had to google it and I put in weird

736
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:06.960
<v Speaker 2>bloke band seventies hair and it came up immediately. Because

737
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Google's bullying.

738
00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:09.280
<v Speaker 1>That's got a broad result.

739
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Dave Hill, the English musician from Slade. So for those

740
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 2>of you old enough to remember Dave Hill from Slade,

741
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:22.599
<v Speaker 2>that is now how Callum's hair looks. And for those

742
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:24.840
<v Speaker 2>of you who aren't old enough to remember what Dave

743
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Hill from Slade looks like, just google Dave Hill, Slade,

744
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:32.559
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventies and you will now see our beloved Callum

745
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 2>looks like I sound more like gay icon Mark Armond

746
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:38.480
<v Speaker 2>at present.

747
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:42.039
<v Speaker 3>I think that's going for.

748
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>And if you want to mentally recreate what it looked

749
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.440
<v Speaker 1>like in Callum's backguarden when this happened, I just want

750
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>you to picture a Japanese soldier in one of those

751
00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 1>commando comics from the eighties being flame throwed by a

752
00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:57.239
<v Speaker 1>US marine.

753
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:57.320
<v Speaker 4>Going.

754
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.760
<v Speaker 3>Four eyes seven.

755
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is bigger.

756
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 4>Someone's gonna go on chat GPT today, aren't they?

757
00:44:12.119 --> 00:44:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what? Though?

758
00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:17.639
<v Speaker 3>Because of the transformation you've undergone and knowing the county

759
00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:21.000
<v Speaker 3>which you're from, and they will jump there onto any

760
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:24.360
<v Speaker 3>skincare regime or fashion notion.

761
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:29.760
<v Speaker 2>You may have landed finally on something where you are

762
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:35.000
<v Speaker 2>going to make it rich callum after stickhead in my oven.

763
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't know how women wear them fake eyelashes, because

764
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.199
<v Speaker 4>every time I blink it feels like I've got a

765
00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 4>new set of eyes. It's like I'm conscious of every

766
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:50.519
<v Speaker 4>blink because just not having eyelashes anymore is pretty rough.

767
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:52.679
<v Speaker 4>It's really weird feeling.

768
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 3>Well, do you know it's quite amusing actually, because I

769
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 3>don't recommend it.

770
00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm a bit fed up with eating money jack because

771
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.199
<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of munk jack in the freezer.

772
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 4>You know that's not normal.

773
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 3>Do you know that it is at our circles? That's

774
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:11.559
<v Speaker 3>quite normal?

775
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:15.760
<v Speaker 2>And you know I've tried all the norm So what

776
00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I did was, I've got a haunch. I went and

777
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:23.320
<v Speaker 2>boned it out, and I used the Countryside WhatsApp group

778
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:28.199
<v Speaker 2>to check my thought process, and I thought, right, I'm

779
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:32.199
<v Speaker 2>going to go ask Hugo Campbell Hill. The idea here

780
00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.039
<v Speaker 2>in the food section is pretty valuable because you basically

781
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:37.840
<v Speaker 2>get direct access to people.

782
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Who I've either tried it and go and don't do that,

783
00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:41.920
<v Speaker 3>or people.

784
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 2>Who are experimental chefs and they're doing something and then

785
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:50.559
<v Speaker 2>you can find out whether they're complete idiots or a genius.

786
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.239
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I boned this thing out. I said, Hugo,

787
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:57.239
<v Speaker 2>what fancy doing is on a roll this like almost

788
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:02.159
<v Speaker 2>a breast of lamb with some force meat stuffing and

789
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:04.639
<v Speaker 2>then go and he said, oh, yes, that's brilliant, but

790
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.800
<v Speaker 2>barbecue it, and literally as he said, barbecue it.

791
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Via the power of WhatsApp over.

792
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.599
<v Speaker 2>On the other group, there's Callum's face burnt to a

793
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 2>flipping walker's crisp going just bring him with pizza oven

794
00:46:18.280 --> 00:46:22.719
<v Speaker 2>and the idea of me switching on my bloody or

795
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:24.679
<v Speaker 2>you should have some charcoal in.

796
00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 4>I went, do you know what, like a horse, you

797
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:28.559
<v Speaker 4>fall off you and get back on?

798
00:46:29.480 --> 00:46:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I've fallen off horses more times than most people, right,

799
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:35.400
<v Speaker 2>but I never came off looking like.

800
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 3>I've been thrown by the US Ranger Battalion on even.

801
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:46.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was like, I'm trying to think what that

802
00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 4>picture is. Who's that picture where the person has just

803
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:52.039
<v Speaker 4>been like nap and there and there.

804
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you're thinking of the album cover of rage

805
00:46:55.199 --> 00:47:01.679
<v Speaker 1>against the machines first album. Aren't You is what they

806
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:07.400
<v Speaker 1>what they call the photo not self immolating monk.

807
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.039
<v Speaker 2>I have to say it's I mean, it's a thing.

808
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 2>But look did you carry on and complete the pizza cooking?

809
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:18.199
<v Speaker 2>And did everyone around you laugh?

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00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.679
<v Speaker 4>I was cooking a chicken chicking in your pizza oven

811
00:47:23.239 --> 00:47:26.280
<v Speaker 4>and considering I gassed it for ten minutes, it did

812
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 4>still it did still come out quite well. No, no,

813
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:34.599
<v Speaker 4>you can't say anything else.

814
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Considering you've just had the kitchen redone as well, so

815
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:43.360
<v Speaker 1>you've got a brand new kitchen inside. You have now

816
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>moved outside to effectively a damp well, I say damp patio,

817
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.639
<v Speaker 1>but damp would be an improvement in current conditions because

818
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:53.440
<v Speaker 1>you've bought the pizza ovens, so now everything's happening outside.

819
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>So is the kitchen just unused or is that where

820
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.360
<v Speaker 1>you're storing all of the pizza dishes and things?

821
00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's a getting it all outside. But yeah, just

822
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:03.960
<v Speaker 4>cook him with a bit of fire. Fire is great,

823
00:48:04.079 --> 00:48:05.559
<v Speaker 4>isn't it not?

824
00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.079
<v Speaker 3>According to your eyelashes?

825
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 4>No, yeah, but you know if look, you can't make

826
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.320
<v Speaker 4>I can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs

827
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:19.639
<v Speaker 4>and sometimes sometimes eyebrows are collateral damage in the process.

828
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:21.599
<v Speaker 3>You really need eyebrows.

829
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.480
<v Speaker 4>And you know, there was a good meme the other day.

830
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.000
<v Speaker 4>It was like my mum didn't raise a quitter, she

831
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:32.199
<v Speaker 4>raised a complainer. I complain about almost everything I have

832
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:34.000
<v Speaker 4>to do. I'll do it, and i'll do it well,

833
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:36.639
<v Speaker 4>but I'll complain about it the whole way. But I

834
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:41.920
<v Speaker 4>am surprisingly an optimist. I feel like I have learned

835
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:48.039
<v Speaker 4>a lesson taking my eyebrows off and and the lesson

836
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:52.920
<v Speaker 4>is not to fuck around with gas. And I've learned

837
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:55.719
<v Speaker 4>a lesson that it could have been worse. I could

838
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:59.079
<v Speaker 4>have blown something up properly, but all I did was

839
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 4>loose some eyebrows. So now not only am I going

840
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.559
<v Speaker 4>to be very careful in future because I know the consequences.

841
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:11.159
<v Speaker 4>Only the only damage is my pride and my eyebrows.

842
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:13.960
<v Speaker 4>And everyone got a laugh, So it's a win win.

843
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:17.599
<v Speaker 1>And if you've got to die, at least die in

844
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:18.920
<v Speaker 1>an anecdote, you know.

845
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<v Speaker 4>I know it was a bit like it was a

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<v Speaker 4>bit like one of the scenes from Casualty where you

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<v Speaker 4>know it's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>They like you.

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<v Speaker 4>It's rolling hills and then it cuts to a shot

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<v Speaker 4>of calor gas and then suddenly someone's lighting up a

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<v Speaker 4>pizza up.

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<v Speaker 2>And what we should do is that we should take

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<v Speaker 2>Callum when we go to the game fair in a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks time, we will take Callum with us

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<v Speaker 2>and we will portrayde him in front of the Moreland

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<v Speaker 2>Associations stand that they will have and say this is

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<v Speaker 2>what happens when you get a load of deadwood, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I think it's I think it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a public service thing that control burning is good, out

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<v Speaker 2>of control wildfare as you end up looking like Callum.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's Look, it's just how we operate here

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<v Speaker 2>at Country Slide. We operate a public service thing because

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<v Speaker 2>the BBC can't be asked anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So there we go, there we go. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a good time to bring it to an end.

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<v Speaker 1>This would be the end of the main show. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>go of the patron only after show next and I

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<v Speaker 1>think in the after show, I'm going to start by

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<v Speaker 1>talking about my observations of Callum's interactions with his clients

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<v Speaker 1>on Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, thank you everyone, goodbye.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes