Speaker 1: At a book in.
Speaker 2: Tonight's guest is Chris Tucker. Chris, welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me and my little mockingbird companion
Speaker 1: in the tree has a lot of things to say.
Speaker 2: So I noticed that. Yeah, it sounds like they do
Speaker 2: have a lot to say. It's a nice touch though.
Speaker 2: I'm glad they're there. Chris. Yeah, please give us a
Speaker 2: brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: I am a thirty six year old female. My job
Speaker 1: is basically keeping the kids alive, well, not keeping the
Speaker 1: kids alive a part. I plan to get a job soon,
Speaker 1: but you know, that's just my occupation title. I tell
Speaker 1: everybody I have lived in Texas my whole life. I
Speaker 1: live in central Texas right now. I grew up in
Speaker 1: West Texas, a little town called Fort Stockton, an an
Speaker 1: hour and a half south of middlan Odessa, Texas. In
Speaker 1: case a lot of people don't know what Fort where
Speaker 1: Fort Stockton is, so just letting them know. But my
Speaker 1: current location, I don't mind, you know, sharing is Abilene, Texas.
Speaker 1: So they call it the big Country. And when pre kids,
Speaker 1: I used to get out in nature as much as
Speaker 1: I could. I still like to do that, but it's
Speaker 1: hard with little ones and teenagers trying to go do
Speaker 1: things teenager things. So I hope to get back out
Speaker 1: more like in wooded areas in the years down the
Speaker 1: road and just and I paint on the side, So
Speaker 1: that's always fun.
Speaker 2: Wow, Chris, you stay busy keeping the kids alive. That's
Speaker 2: a full time job in and of itself. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it definitely is. If you were a teen when you
Speaker 2: had your first encounter, how far were you into your
Speaker 2: teen so whuldn't it happened?
Speaker 1: I've I believe I was sixteen or seventeen.
Speaker 2: Sixteen or seventeen. Did you take anything away from that
Speaker 2: experience considering it happened at such a young age to
Speaker 2: the point where you think it might have had long
Speaker 2: lasting effects, wound up affecting the adult that you grew.
Speaker 1: Up to be. I guess it for the most part.
Speaker 1: Growing up, my dad or my grandfather, they would say,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're indecisive on something or something doesn't
Speaker 1: seem right, you know, go with your gut instinct or
Speaker 1: your intuition. And when that encounter happened, and feeling the
Speaker 1: need to, you know, kind of move along and get
Speaker 1: out of there or that something wasn't right listening to that,
Speaker 1: And then you know, as I've grown, I've honed it
Speaker 1: a little bit better, so no one listens to me.
Speaker 1: Still sometimes I like to point that out, but I
Speaker 1: know I can more so believe in myself rather than
Speaker 1: other outside sources or anything that might be trying to
Speaker 1: say otherwise, I guess.
Speaker 2: Well, it definitely sounds like you've come to terms with it,
Speaker 2: and as long as we can say that, that's definitely
Speaker 2: a good thing. And as far as trying to warn
Speaker 2: other people, you know what they say, you can lead
Speaker 2: a horse to water, and that's basically what we're talking
Speaker 2: about here. If they wind up having an encounter and
Speaker 2: paying the price because they didn't listen to you, then
Speaker 2: that's a them problem, not a you problem.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: That's right. You're taking the trash out at the time
Speaker 2: when it happened. Have you taken the trash out since
Speaker 2: after dark?
Speaker 1: Not so much, because that's usually our one of our
Speaker 1: younger boys. We have four kids and the two teens,
Speaker 1: that's their job. But one time he ran in freaked
Speaker 1: out saying it's so aware well in the alleyway, so
Speaker 1: there is still more trash to take out. So when
Speaker 1: I I grabbed the trash, and I was like, werewolf.
Speaker 1: Uh uh no, you know we're in a very more
Speaker 1: populated area, so grabbing it. I still went out there defiantly.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I still do things. I joke, I will
Speaker 1: probably uh die petting something I shouldn't.
Speaker 2: So yeah, sounds like it. And you don't frighten easily.
Speaker 2: There's a were wolf outside and you still go out
Speaker 2: there because you have trash to take out. That's pretty bold.
Speaker 1: It was smelly.
Speaker 2: What the were wolf or the trash?
Speaker 1: Oh? The trash?
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I've got you. Yeah, I figure that's what
Speaker 2: you're talking about. You lived in a home at one
Speaker 2: time that was over one hundred years old. Did you
Speaker 2: ever have any supernatural experiences in it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: A lot? If you want me to, I can actually
Speaker 1: send you audio that my stepmother recorded. I'd never heard
Speaker 1: it in person, but they would hear old timey music playing,
Speaker 1: and she finally recorded it and it's pretty amazing actually.
Speaker 1: So other than that, I've actually experienced a lot in
Speaker 1: that house.
Speaker 2: Oh, I bet you have. I don't doubt that at all.
Speaker 2: Funny thing about those hundred plus year old homes seems
Speaker 2: like they have a lot of activity.
Speaker 1: Like that in them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure about your first encounter, but I
Speaker 2: know you haven't told your husband about your second one.
Speaker 2: Have you told him about that first one yet? And
Speaker 2: if not, why haven't you?
Speaker 1: I think I ended up telling him eventually after we spoke,
Speaker 1: and the reason was he doesn't experience paranormal things. He's
Speaker 1: very factual. We're polar opposites, you know. He's Type A
Speaker 1: and I'm Type B plus chaos, so and he's more
Speaker 1: rational than I am, And so that was what made
Speaker 1: me not really, I guess, be more open to what
Speaker 1: I've been experienced and encountered and I've I've also been
Speaker 1: but this was just for teenage problems. I've been in
Speaker 1: a psychiatric ward and I didn't want to go back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one wants to. I don't blame you. What
Speaker 2: was the biggest reason why you contacted me? Chris?
Speaker 1: Well, after listening to a few encounters and kind of
Speaker 1: remembering what the initial like, I guess the one that
Speaker 1: was more impactful, which we be like the most recent
Speaker 1: at the lake was kind of like was this what
Speaker 1: I saw? You know? Like? Or I guess validation and
Speaker 1: just not to say to see if you know, make
Speaker 1: sure I wasn't crazy, because what's real to some people
Speaker 1: might not be real to others, and vice versa. But
Speaker 1: it just it started away heavy on me. Even as
Speaker 1: I would listen to other encounters. You know, that growing
Speaker 1: nag to reach out to you and talk to you
Speaker 1: grew and grew. So I bit the bullet and decided
Speaker 1: to contact you.
Speaker 2: Well, it goods with us saying I'm so glad you did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I'm here for. If you've had a dog
Speaker 2: mean encounter, I would like to speak with me about it,
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Speaker 2: to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right, Chris, please
Speaker 2: tell us about your encounters. Now, give us everal last
Speaker 2: detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'll start from childhood and then the teenage
Speaker 1: up into the lake because my ADHD brain will want
Speaker 1: to go off in other territories. I was six years old,
Speaker 1: I think, and this was when I was growing up
Speaker 1: in West Texas and we lived out on the outskirts
Speaker 1: of town. And so when I say outskirts, when I
Speaker 1: would go out my front porch, open the gate, go
Speaker 1: on the street.
Speaker 3: And if I went to the west, which would be
Speaker 3: my right, and pass a few houses, there was a
Speaker 3: ranch our neighbors owned, and then you would see the plateaus.
Speaker 1: And just land for miles and miles. That was essentially
Speaker 1: kind of my backyard. So in a way, I grew
Speaker 1: up sort of a fair old child, so I was
Speaker 1: used to being outdoors a lot growing up, you know,
Speaker 1: bringing horny toads home as a pet that was a
Speaker 1: weekly thing, and being told no, so kind of giving you, guys,
Speaker 1: like a gist of just how it was growing up.
Speaker 1: So my grandmother would always make sure we would come
Speaker 1: in at night, and when I got older, she would
Speaker 1: always tell me, you know, we don't really go out
Speaker 1: at night unless we have to, because if you venture
Speaker 1: out far, especially away from houses and stuff, ilobo will
Speaker 1: get you. And that's the wolf translated from Spanish. And
Speaker 1: I didn't really question her. I just pictured like a
Speaker 1: man wolf type looking thing, you know, snatching kids up
Speaker 1: at night, kind of like la rona that she also
Speaker 1: used as a scare tactic with me, So I didn't
Speaker 1: go out much at night, but I would play outside
Speaker 1: all the time. So I was six, and I was
Speaker 1: in our front yard playing, and I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: what time of year it was. It's West Texas, live
Speaker 1: out in the desert, so it's kind of hot year round,
Speaker 1: but that probably doesn't matter. It was before sunset, too,
Speaker 1: and so I was outside playing in the mud, doing
Speaker 1: my thing, and I felt like I was being watched,
Speaker 1: and so I I kind of, you know, when on alert,
Speaker 1: I turned to our house behind us, and I looked
Speaker 1: to see if you know, it was my grandparents then
Speaker 1: they were raising me and my grandmother was that nosy
Speaker 1: neighbor looking through the blinds? I thought it was her. No,
Speaker 1: So I looked kind of scanned to see if it
Speaker 1: was the neighbor across the street sitting on their porch,
Speaker 1: you know, to wave to be courteous. They weren't out there,
Speaker 1: and it was across the street from us cat a corner.
Speaker 1: I would say, to my left, this old adobe structure,
Speaker 1: and I remember it was like a very pale, pepobysmal
Speaker 1: pink looking kind of little structure, and the windows didn't
Speaker 1: have any screens, and the window edges were were wood
Speaker 1: and they were like a rotted wood. So it was old.
Speaker 1: I don't know how old it was, but it belonged
Speaker 1: to our neighbors. It wasn't developed. They were planning to
Speaker 1: knock that house or shack down. And when I say
Speaker 1: shack think of your outdoor type shed where you store
Speaker 1: like your lawnmower and small lawn equipment. Very small. So
Speaker 1: I didn't know when they were planning to knock it
Speaker 1: down and develop it, but just from my grandparents talking
Speaker 1: to them, that's what was in works. And it was
Speaker 1: brushy like there was maybe like a small tree, nothing major,
Speaker 1: like a mesquite tree, and it was overgrown. And so
Speaker 1: this structure with the foundation, it was several feet high.
Speaker 1: So what drew my attention was to the window that
Speaker 1: was facing our house. And as I stated, there were
Speaker 1: just no screens, no nothing. Even the door is like
Speaker 1: blacked out or not blacked out, but there's no door.
Speaker 1: But when I say blacked out, it was always dark
Speaker 1: in there. The neighbors rarely went into that little shed.
Speaker 1: And I want to say it was two or three
Speaker 1: years after this encounter was when they knocked it down
Speaker 1: and built on that land a little piece of land.
Speaker 1: This is what stood out to me. And looking into
Speaker 1: the window, I could see these two glowing blue balls,
Speaker 1: though they're you know, glowing blue balls then, but looking
Speaker 1: back now and with what I know, it was more
Speaker 1: of an eye shine, and it was staring back at me.
Speaker 1: And this window was probably two feet off the ground,
Speaker 1: and so the eye shine was three feet, you know,
Speaker 1: from the ground, so not too tall. And as a kid,
Speaker 1: well I'm four eleven now as a grown adult, so
Speaker 1: I was pretty small then that still seemed pretty big.
Speaker 1: But still I kind of froze and was puzzled, and
Speaker 1: I kind of, you know, kind of looking back at
Speaker 1: that moment, that's the same energy or feeling that that
Speaker 1: thing was projecting back at me, like what is this
Speaker 1: what is this teacup human doing? So my grandfather came
Speaker 1: outside called me back into the house because dinner was ready,
Speaker 1: and that was that. So the second encounter, I was
Speaker 1: a teen and I had moved in with my dad
Speaker 1: and he remarried my stepmother. This is an abiline and
Speaker 1: so I left my grandparents and they still had the
Speaker 1: house in Fort Stockton, so I visited Frank. So it
Speaker 1: was at night and being the teen it was my
Speaker 1: job to take the trash out, and we lived on
Speaker 1: a pretty populated street. This is the house that's one
Speaker 1: hundred years old, so it had different houses go up
Speaker 1: around it, and it's more centralized than my paths location.
Speaker 1: And so I'm taking the trash out. It's a nice
Speaker 1: night and I'm kind of enjoying the night, the cool
Speaker 1: air and whatnot. And I have to take the trash
Speaker 1: to the little dumpster that you usually wheel down to
Speaker 1: the end of your street for the dumpster to come
Speaker 1: grab it. And I had set the trash down so
Speaker 1: I can open the lid, and I looked up, just
Speaker 1: like a brief moment, and down the street a couple
Speaker 1: of houses down, I could see this man walking with
Speaker 1: a dog on his side, and I figured neighbor walking
Speaker 1: down the street. You know, they're just going about. And
Speaker 1: I bent down to grab the trash and make sure
Speaker 1: nothing was left on the ground and threw it in there,
Speaker 1: and I closed the lid, and you know, I glanced
Speaker 1: up and this man that was walking his dog, well
Speaker 1: he was still there walking. They were going away from us,
Speaker 1: or away from our house. The dog that was walking
Speaker 1: beside him, which to me like a large dog was
Speaker 1: suddenly a person walking, and that kind of spooped me
Speaker 1: because I kind of questioned for a moment, like did
Speaker 1: I see that? Or maybe it was, you know, drug addicts.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, because who knows. I kind of shook
Speaker 1: it off and just walked back into the house and
Speaker 1: I got ready for bed and went ahead and fell asleep.
Speaker 1: And this is when I had that dream. I was
Speaker 1: back in my hometown, back in my childhood home, and
Speaker 1: my room that I was in as a child, based
Speaker 1: that plateau I had described in the first encounter, so
Speaker 1: it was facing the west, and in the dream, I
Speaker 1: was asleep in the bed and just this large clad
Speaker 1: hand reaches out of the screen and grabs my back
Speaker 1: and starts pulling me out of the window, and I
Speaker 1: wake up kind of like whoa. And to me, when
Speaker 1: I woke up, it felt like those dreams you have
Speaker 1: when you're falling and I guess your body moves or
Speaker 1: twitches and you kind of, you know, you jolt awake.
Speaker 1: That's what it felt like. But I didn't have that
Speaker 1: sense of a nightmare. So I got up to use
Speaker 1: the restroom, and it was morning by then, so I
Speaker 1: was going to be up for the day and I
Speaker 1: was just going about my business and I wasn't even
Speaker 1: thinking on that dream at all, and I started to
Speaker 1: feel like this burning sensation on my back, like that
Speaker 1: exact portion where I was scratched, and I checked and
Speaker 1: I didn't have any marks or anything. And I'm not
Speaker 1: one to really clawed myself in my sleep, so that
Speaker 1: didn't occur that maybe I did that, but I just
Speaker 1: thought that was really odd with seeing the person with
Speaker 1: the dog walking and then all of a sudden, after
Speaker 1: a few seconds, it was two people walking and then
Speaker 1: having this dream. And so my brain was like, well that,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to put two and two together and like, well,
Speaker 1: it's were wolf and that's why you had this nightmare.
Speaker 1: So later on that day, I had gone outside to sketch.
Speaker 1: It was a nice day, and that house sits on
Speaker 1: like maybe half an acre. It's a fairly decent sized property,
Speaker 1: so you know, I could wander around and I'd finished
Speaker 1: sketching and I decided to go back into the house.
Speaker 1: And I'm very clumsy, so I'm always looking at the
Speaker 1: ground to see where I'm going, and I was walking
Speaker 1: and as soon as I left the where it was
Speaker 1: more earth like with shrubs and leaves and whatnot. It
Speaker 1: turned into more dirt kind of towards the house and
Speaker 1: the foundation. And you know, I was outside my window
Speaker 1: of my bedroom and I could see like this huge
Speaker 1: paw print in the dirt, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: odd because we owned two dogs, and if even if
Speaker 1: they heard like a cat or or even my dad
Speaker 1: tinkering around outside, they would, you know, make those little
Speaker 1: gruffy noises dogs make when they sent something. And one
Speaker 1: of the dogs was a toy poodle and those things
Speaker 1: are yappy, and you know, the previous to night, I
Speaker 1: don't remember hearing them yap at anything, so that's what
Speaker 1: I found odd. And plus they couldn't make that big
Speaker 1: of a print. It was. It was pretty massive compared
Speaker 1: to their little paws, and you know, couldn't have been
Speaker 1: a raccoon. So all of that together was odd to me.
Speaker 1: With the dream and seeing the people, so that was
Speaker 1: really it. And the final encounter, I would say it
Speaker 1: was a couple of months later, and it was into
Speaker 1: the spring. So when that encounter happened, it was sometime
Speaker 1: during the fall, so this was when it was springing.
Speaker 1: Stuff was starting to bloom kind of come back to life.
Speaker 1: But the trees weren't yet producing leads then, So I'm
Speaker 1: saying that just to kind of give a good time frame.
Speaker 1: There's a state park in Buffalo Gap, Texas. It's Abilene
Speaker 1: State Park, and right across the highway is Lake Abilene.
Speaker 1: It's a man made lake. Back then, it wasn't owned
Speaker 1: by the state park or I guess the government, so
Speaker 1: you were able to go in and out of it.
Speaker 1: She's still my best friend to this day. Her and
Speaker 1: I we would go to Lake Abilene and we would explore,
Speaker 1: and there was this spot there that I had found
Speaker 1: while kind of hiking, and we called it the meadow
Speaker 1: because it was flat, you know, the trees surrounded it,
Speaker 1: and you know it was lush vegetation and sometimes wildflowers.
Speaker 1: And what we loved about it so much was, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if it was because the trees surrounding it
Speaker 1: made it its own little basin or what, but once
Speaker 1: you stepped into the threshold of what we called the meadow,
Speaker 1: it was the temperature was just a couple of degrees cooler,
Speaker 1: and we love that. We would sit there and talk
Speaker 1: or just listen to our our walkman, or have photo
Speaker 1: shoots you know, being teen girl. And so this this encounter,
Speaker 1: I had drove out there because I just wanted to
Speaker 1: go to the meadow and maybe draw and kind of
Speaker 1: get away from everyone. I liked exploring alone too, and
Speaker 1: I still try to do it. So if I guess
Speaker 1: I kind of learned my lesson but didn't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. But I had decided, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, see if I can find something
Speaker 1: further or something cooler to do our weird teenage girl
Speaker 1: photo shoots. So I wanted to escape and draw and
Speaker 1: just kind of get back with nature. So the meadow
Speaker 1: is after you hit the entrance, you gotta go past
Speaker 1: a few little curves and wines, and there's different off
Speaker 1: road paths I guess, like hunters would use them or people,
Speaker 1: you know, you would see little trenches of people getting
Speaker 1: stuck in the mud or they would be out there mudding.
Speaker 1: So they were different small dirt roads off of this
Speaker 1: the main road that I was on, and it would
Speaker 1: branch off into trails, I guess, And to get to
Speaker 1: the to the meadow, you would take like a small
Speaker 1: dirt road off of that main road. The main road
Speaker 1: wound around the lake. The lake's not very big either,
Speaker 1: and so I drove to the lake and there's this
Speaker 1: huge I want to say it's an oak tree, but
Speaker 1: that was kind of the initial visual landmark that we
Speaker 1: made that oh it's here, and that's where you could
Speaker 1: park your car to not be in the way of
Speaker 1: other people if they were driving, you know, to find
Speaker 1: a spot to park. The shore of the lake back
Speaker 1: then wasn't too far, but it was still a little
Speaker 1: bit close enough. We've been through several droughts and whatnot,
Speaker 1: and the lake has replenished itself. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what it looks like now. I would love to go
Speaker 1: back and look at it and see if the meadow
Speaker 1: is still there, but it's been so many years, so
Speaker 1: that's why I'm trying to recall it is best I can.
Speaker 1: So you know, I had parked my vehicle in atmosphere
Speaker 1: wise was it was a nice afternoon. There was no wind,
Speaker 1: it was not too hot either, and so after I
Speaker 1: had kind of set up a little camp in the meadow,
Speaker 1: like with my I had a messenger bag and I
Speaker 1: would have a drink, and I would have my walkman,
Speaker 1: and I would have my keys in it and I
Speaker 1: always brought a sketchbook. So after kind of doing my
Speaker 1: thing there, I decided to get up and explore the
Speaker 1: area and see if I could find, you know, the
Speaker 1: different places we could do photo shoot, our little teenage
Speaker 1: girl photo shoots, and just I love exploring too, so
Speaker 1: that was another bonus on my part. And so I
Speaker 1: just put everything in my messenger bag and I left
Speaker 1: it there, and I decided to start going down a
Speaker 1: path that we had once gone down, and it was
Speaker 1: east of the lake. So if you were going to
Speaker 1: paint a picture in your head with the shoreline, the
Speaker 1: shore line would be and the way I was heading,
Speaker 1: I was heading up with the shoreline, like not going north,
Speaker 1: but you know it was east then just further out.
Speaker 1: But if you venture out more towards your left or
Speaker 1: the south part of where I was at, you would
Speaker 1: hit the edge of the property, the barbed wire fence,
Speaker 1: and then the highway and then you know, skip over
Speaker 1: it's state park lines. So you know, I was trying
Speaker 1: to keep this mental image in my brain, so I wouldn't,
Speaker 1: you know, suddenly end up on the highway and someone
Speaker 1: be like, there's a lost teenage girl, what is wrong?
Speaker 1: So the path that we were kind of used to exploring.
Speaker 1: I decided to go further deeper than what we explored,
Speaker 1: and that's when the trees and the shrubs were getting
Speaker 1: thicker and you would have to, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: bend and shimmy your way through a few of the
Speaker 1: trees to make your way through. And I was doing that,
Speaker 1: and I was, I was, I was enjoying myself looking
Speaker 1: at the trees surrounding me and kind of enjoying just
Speaker 1: the sounds and seeing different varieties of plants starting to
Speaker 1: get brought back to life as it was barely spring,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how far to my walk or
Speaker 1: minutes was when it started to feel off and I
Speaker 1: started to feel watch and so I figured, maybe it's
Speaker 1: like a little critter or or or you know, a deer,
Speaker 1: and I kind of shrugged it off. But there was
Speaker 1: a sound that I heard back then. I joked that
Speaker 1: it was like a it was a moose. I heard
Speaker 1: a moose. That we have no moose in Texas that
Speaker 1: I know of, so it wasn't that. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: a growl. It was a weird noise and it could
Speaker 1: have been an elk. My brother told me, there's elt
Speaker 1: out here, and it could have been that, it could
Speaker 1: have been something else. But being a teenager and hearing
Speaker 1: that and just being a little old me, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is. I'm going to turn around.
Speaker 1: So I'm walking back so I can find that familiar
Speaker 1: trail my friend and I were used to and so
Speaker 1: that can get me back towards where I left my
Speaker 1: things at in the little Meadow area. And as I'm
Speaker 1: making my way, I'm feeling watched still, and I started
Speaker 1: getting this weird spine. When I had reached out to you, Vic,
Speaker 1: I had told you about the coyotes, and this was
Speaker 1: the past summer as a reference. We were ghost hunting
Speaker 1: the antsm lights my big brother and his two other friends,
Speaker 1: and they're these big Neanderthal type, you know, young adults.
Speaker 1: So the story is you turn around at a certain
Speaker 1: point and you flash your lights and the ghost light
Speaker 1: comes up. Well, they wanted to disprove that, so they
Speaker 1: decided to get out of the vehicle and we were
Speaker 1: in my brother's pickup truck and the guys wanted to
Speaker 1: head down towards the cemetery too, I guess try to
Speaker 1: debunk it or whatnot. I just wanted to stay in
Speaker 1: the vehicle because we had heard coyotes earlier. So I
Speaker 1: stayed in the vehicle. And as they were going down
Speaker 1: the dirt road for these ghost lights, these coyotes, I
Speaker 1: could hear the howling getting closer, and it felt from
Speaker 1: the sound that they were making that they were circling
Speaker 1: the truck. And both the driver's side and the passenger
Speaker 1: side windows were rolled down, and he took the keys
Speaker 1: with him so I couldn't roll them up. I was screwed,
Speaker 1: I thought back then, and I felt hunted. You know,
Speaker 1: they weren't going to go after you know, three big
Speaker 1: two hundred plus you know, young adult males when there
Speaker 1: was one hundred and fifty pounds, you know, four to
Speaker 1: eleven female that they were probably smelling, you know, as
Speaker 1: I think about it, you know, so it made more
Speaker 1: sense to see what I was all about, and just
Speaker 1: that sense of dread and it's not panic, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was something that I like to describe as like primitive.
Speaker 1: Was to just kind of make myself feel small and
Speaker 1: try to go down into the cab of the truck
Speaker 1: to maybe not have the wind pick up my scent.
Speaker 1: Or keep picking it up. And just that was just
Speaker 1: you know, my teenage brain thinking, you know, I could
Speaker 1: maybe do this and whatever these coyotes. So that's that
Speaker 1: was that. And back at you know, Lake Abilene, that
Speaker 1: was the same feeling I got as the coyotes, you know,
Speaker 1: was the I feel like I'm being hunted or something's
Speaker 1: pursuing me. It's a very hard feeling to describe, but
Speaker 1: when I've heard other people try to describe it, it's
Speaker 1: one of those I know what you're talking about moments.
Speaker 1: It's one of those recognitions. It's weird, but I was
Speaker 1: feeling that. And so being a kid, I watched a
Speaker 1: lot of animal shows on the Discovery Channel before it
Speaker 1: turned into whatever it is now, and I remember when
Speaker 1: they would talk about big felines because this is probably
Speaker 1: maybe out here. Besides coyotes, the largest predator we're going
Speaker 1: to get is a mountain lion. And I know that
Speaker 1: they are more of the surprise ambush and you know
Speaker 1: if they follow you while you're doing your thing, and
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, maybe that's what's happening. I'm looking back
Speaker 1: at those shows. I'm trying to piece it together because
Speaker 1: when I would walk and I could hear my feet
Speaker 1: under the dead leaves and all that jazz. It was
Speaker 1: maybe a little distant, but I could tell something else
Speaker 1: was there. And it wasn't the usual lizard scampering because
Speaker 1: they heard you, or the little ground squirrels or anything
Speaker 1: like that. Those kind of make more of a chaotic,
Speaker 1: frenzied type scurrying noise and the dead leaves or brush
Speaker 1: or whatnot. But it felt like whatever was following me
Speaker 1: was sort of kind of keeping pace with me. So
Speaker 1: I would pause then, thinking I would catch it off guard,
Speaker 1: you know, but I never saw anything. And in my head,
Speaker 1: I would be like, I just need to get to,
Speaker 1: you know, the vehicle, or I need to get to
Speaker 1: the path so I can get to my vehicle. And
Speaker 1: I have, you know, my mind's voice, like I know
Speaker 1: what my mind's voice sounds like, so like an intrusive thought,
Speaker 1: more of an intrusive voice was telling me to just
Speaker 1: get out. There was no gender to it or anything
Speaker 1: so that I can recall. But I would hear get out,
Speaker 1: and that pushed me further, and I remember that was weird,
Speaker 1: you know, especially kind of being more open to the paranormal.
Speaker 1: I've never had an intrusive voice like that before, I've
Speaker 1: had my own voice, but me, that's an intrusive thought,
Speaker 1: so that that was really strange for me. And I
Speaker 1: made it to that path that I recognized, and then
Speaker 1: I could be a little bit more comfortable. I was
Speaker 1: a little bit more at e's making my weight. I
Speaker 1: wasn't looking behind me feeling as paranoid as I was before.
Speaker 1: And I see the meadow in the in the clearing,
Speaker 1: and I finally reach it, and that voice kind of
Speaker 1: seemed to echo get out once I reached it, and
Speaker 1: I bent down to pick up my book bag or
Speaker 1: my messenger bag, book bag, it doesn't matter. But I
Speaker 1: turned around to see if I was still being pursued
Speaker 1: or if maybe it was a deer, just to see.
Speaker 1: And this was a couple of yards away from me.
Speaker 1: This was a very large tree. It was very old,
Speaker 1: very big and tall, and on the bark, I noticed
Speaker 1: the discoloration, and as I kind of focused more on it,
Speaker 1: I saw what looked like a hand. And this hand
Speaker 1: was it looked like a raccoon hand, but with very
Speaker 1: sharp claws, if you will. And as the hand went
Speaker 1: up to where the wrist would be, that's where I
Speaker 1: saw the fur and then up and then an elbow,
Speaker 1: and it looked like it was it had the arm
Speaker 1: around this big old tree, like it was kind of
Speaker 1: just holding on, but not so much to keep it steady,
Speaker 1: as if you were to peek around from the tree
Speaker 1: to look over that. That was the impression I got.
Speaker 1: But that's all I saw was this large hand holding
Speaker 1: on to this tree, and the fur on it looked
Speaker 1: like a German shepherd coloring type of color, or there
Speaker 1: wasn't much of a pattern. It was like that black
Speaker 1: raccoonish looking hand claw thing, and then you know, at
Speaker 1: the wrist and then the fur and it was that
Speaker 1: that colored German shepherds usually have. And I'm guessing it
Speaker 1: was shedding its winter coat because it looked fluffy in
Speaker 1: some parts, but not so fluffy. You know how animals
Speaker 1: look when they're they're shedding their winter coat and their
Speaker 1: spring coats coming in. That That's how it looked like.
Speaker 1: There was nothing unkempt or just you know, it looked natural,
Speaker 1: like normal for it. So I kind of fully stood up,
Speaker 1: you know, clutching my bag close to me, and it
Speaker 1: let go of the tree and disappeared, and I guess
Speaker 1: it went off into the woods, and I turned around
Speaker 1: and sprinted to my car. And my car was this
Speaker 1: bright red color, so to me it was like this
Speaker 1: red beacon of escape because it was fire engine red.
Speaker 1: And I, you know, threw my bag in there, turned
Speaker 1: it on, locked the doors, you know, like like that
Speaker 1: would do me any good. But you know, to me,
Speaker 1: it made me feel safe, and I left, and ever
Speaker 1: since then I haven't returned. I told my best friend
Speaker 1: will you know, she wanted to go back there, and
Speaker 1: I said, no, something weird happened to me. I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I thought I heard a moose and I
Speaker 1: don't want to go back. And so that was the
Speaker 1: last of it. And you know I hadn't. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would love to go back, but that that was my encounter.
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm so sorry to hear you have to go
Speaker 2: through that that day. Sometimes not seeing something very well
Speaker 2: can be worse than getting a really good look. So
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, do you think it was more intense seeing
Speaker 2: that clawed hand than if the dog would have stepped
Speaker 2: out from behind that tree.
Speaker 1: That's a good question, because you know, then I think
Speaker 1: I would have Yeah, I probably would have been scared
Speaker 1: out of my mind and whatnot. But and then looking
Speaker 1: back now, I would feel more of a confirmation there's
Speaker 1: something you know. So that's a double edged sword question.
Speaker 2: Oh it definitely. Is the reason why I asked that
Speaker 2: is in a lot of cases, your imagination can be
Speaker 2: a lot more frightening than reality can never throw at you.
Speaker 2: So that's why I was wondering about that. Chris. We're
Speaker 2: about out of time here. I've got a lot of
Speaker 2: questions to ask you. Would you be up for coming
Speaker 2: back so we could do a Q and A sure, okay, great.
Speaker 2: I was hoping you would say that, well, let's do that.
Speaker 2: Let's bring you back on to a Q and A
Speaker 2: so I can get to all these questions with you
Speaker 2: and we'll just take it from there.
Speaker 1: Then all right, that sounds good.
Speaker 2: Maya Definitely, I'm looking forward to it. And thanks against
Speaker 2: so much for your time there, Chris, and I'll catch
Speaker 2: you next weeks.