WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:51.280 At a book in. 2 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:31.400 Tonight's guest is Chris Tucker. Chris, welcome to the show. 3 00:01:32.400 --> 00:01:36.079 Thank you for having me and my little mockingbird companion 4 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:39.280 in the tree has a lot of things to say. 5 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:43.079 So I noticed that. Yeah, it sounds like they do 6 00:01:43.159 --> 00:01:46.040 have a lot to say. It's a nice touch though. 7 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.680 I'm glad they're there. Chris. Yeah, please give us a 8 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:51.079 brief bio on yourself. 9 00:01:53.040 --> 00:02:00.840 I am a thirty six year old female. My job 10 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:06.519 is basically keeping the kids alive, well, not keeping the 11 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.120 kids alive a part. I plan to get a job soon, 12 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:12.840 but you know, that's just my occupation title. I tell 13 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:19.400 everybody I have lived in Texas my whole life. I 14 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.680 live in central Texas right now. I grew up in 15 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:29.080 West Texas, a little town called Fort Stockton, an an 16 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:34.400 hour and a half south of middlan Odessa, Texas. In 17 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.919 case a lot of people don't know what Fort where 18 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:42.759 Fort Stockton is, so just letting them know. But my 19 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:49.080 current location, I don't mind, you know, sharing is Abilene, Texas. 20 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:55.039 So they call it the big Country. And when pre kids, 21 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:58.599 I used to get out in nature as much as 22 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.680 I could. I still like to do that, but it's 23 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:05.680 hard with little ones and teenagers trying to go do 24 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:12.039 things teenager things. So I hope to get back out 25 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:17.360 more like in wooded areas in the years down the 26 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:21.000 road and just and I paint on the side, So 27 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:22.199 that's always fun. 28 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:26.719 Wow, Chris, you stay busy keeping the kids alive. That's 29 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:31.800 a full time job in and of itself. Oh yeah, yeah, 30 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:34.879 it definitely is. If you were a teen when you 31 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:37.560 had your first encounter, how far were you into your 32 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:39.000 teen so whuldn't it happened? 33 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:48.199 I've I believe I was sixteen or seventeen. 34 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.400 Sixteen or seventeen. Did you take anything away from that 35 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.039 experience considering it happened at such a young age to 36 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:58.800 the point where you think it might have had long 37 00:03:58.879 --> 00:04:02.759 lasting effects, wound up affecting the adult that you grew. 38 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:10.159 Up to be. I guess it for the most part. 39 00:04:10.960 --> 00:04:16.439 Growing up, my dad or my grandfather, they would say, 40 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:21.399 you know, if you're indecisive on something or something doesn't 41 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:25.319 seem right, you know, go with your gut instinct or 42 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:32.600 your intuition. And when that encounter happened, and feeling the 43 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:35.439 need to, you know, kind of move along and get 44 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:40.959 out of there or that something wasn't right listening to that, 45 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:46.279 And then you know, as I've grown, I've honed it 46 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.160 a little bit better, so no one listens to me. 47 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:54.680 Still sometimes I like to point that out, but I 48 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:59.800 know I can more so believe in myself rather than 49 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:07.360 other outside sources or anything that might be trying to 50 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:09.560 say otherwise, I guess. 51 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:12.399 Well, it definitely sounds like you've come to terms with it, 52 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:14.920 and as long as we can say that, that's definitely 53 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:16.839 a good thing. And as far as trying to warn 54 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:19.079 other people, you know what they say, you can lead 55 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:21.759 a horse to water, and that's basically what we're talking 56 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:24.600 about here. If they wind up having an encounter and 57 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:27.079 paying the price because they didn't listen to you, then 58 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.560 that's a them problem, not a you problem. 59 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:31.199 That's true. 60 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.399 That's right. You're taking the trash out at the time 61 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:38.079 when it happened. Have you taken the trash out since 62 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:38.720 after dark? 63 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.839 Not so much, because that's usually our one of our 64 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:49.879 younger boys. We have four kids and the two teens, 65 00:05:50.560 --> 00:05:54.600 that's their job. But one time he ran in freaked 66 00:05:54.639 --> 00:06:00.319 out saying it's so aware well in the alleyway, so 67 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:04.759 there is still more trash to take out. So when 68 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:09.040 I I grabbed the trash, and I was like, werewolf. 69 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:12.639 Uh uh no, you know we're in a very more 70 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:18.279 populated area, so grabbing it. I still went out there defiantly. 71 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:24.079 But yeah, I still do things. I joke, I will 72 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:27.560 probably uh die petting something I shouldn't. 73 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:32.480 So yeah, sounds like it. And you don't frighten easily. 74 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:35.600 There's a were wolf outside and you still go out 75 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.480 there because you have trash to take out. That's pretty bold. 76 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:39.920 It was smelly. 77 00:06:41.319 --> 00:06:43.079 What the were wolf or the trash? 78 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:44.600 Oh? The trash? 79 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.399 Oh okay, I've got you. Yeah, I figure that's what 80 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.879 you're talking about. You lived in a home at one 81 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.240 time that was over one hundred years old. Did you 82 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:55.879 ever have any supernatural experiences in it? 83 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:57.240 Oh? 84 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:02.839 A lot? If you want me to, I can actually 85 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:10.560 send you audio that my stepmother recorded. I'd never heard 86 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:15.439 it in person, but they would hear old timey music playing, 87 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:20.920 and she finally recorded it and it's pretty amazing actually. 88 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:27.079 So other than that, I've actually experienced a lot in 89 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:27.680 that house. 90 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:31.839 Oh, I bet you have. I don't doubt that at all. 91 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.000 Funny thing about those hundred plus year old homes seems 92 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:36.759 like they have a lot of activity. 93 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:37.079 Like that in them. 94 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.199 Yeah, I'm not sure about your first encounter, but I 95 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:43.600 know you haven't told your husband about your second one. 96 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.480 Have you told him about that first one yet? And 97 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:47.920 if not, why haven't you? 98 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:53.920 I think I ended up telling him eventually after we spoke, 99 00:07:55.720 --> 00:08:02.199 and the reason was he doesn't experience paranormal things. He's 100 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:08.680 very factual. We're polar opposites, you know. He's Type A 101 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:14.519 and I'm Type B plus chaos, so and he's more 102 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:18.519 rational than I am, And so that was what made 103 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:22.079 me not really, I guess, be more open to what 104 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:28.120 I've been experienced and encountered and I've I've also been 105 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:33.000 but this was just for teenage problems. I've been in 106 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.120 a psychiatric ward and I didn't want to go back. 107 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:42.039 Yeah, no one wants to. I don't blame you. What 108 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.840 was the biggest reason why you contacted me? Chris? 109 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:52.840 Well, after listening to a few encounters and kind of 110 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:57.919 remembering what the initial like, I guess the one that 111 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:01.960 was more impactful, which we be like the most recent 112 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:08.799 at the lake was kind of like was this what 113 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:13.320 I saw? You know? Like? Or I guess validation and 114 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:17.240 just not to say to see if you know, make 115 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:20.759 sure I wasn't crazy, because what's real to some people 116 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.639 might not be real to others, and vice versa. But 117 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:28.200 it just it started away heavy on me. Even as 118 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:32.799 I would listen to other encounters. You know, that growing 119 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.679 nag to reach out to you and talk to you 120 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:40.600 grew and grew. So I bit the bullet and decided 121 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:41.480 to contact you. 122 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:45.559 Well, it goods with us saying I'm so glad you did. Yeah, 123 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.480 that's what I'm here for. If you've had a dog 124 00:09:48.559 --> 00:09:50.679 mean encounter, I would like to speak with me about it, 125 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.440 whether I'm private or on the show, please go to 126 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:57.399 Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you've had 127 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.039 a big foot sighting and would like to be a 128 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.840 guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go 129 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:07.120 to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right, Chris, please 130 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.799 tell us about your encounters. Now, give us everal last 131 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:11.080 detail that comes to mind. 132 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:17.440 Okay, Well, I'll start from childhood and then the teenage 133 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:22.799 up into the lake because my ADHD brain will want 134 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:30.600 to go off in other territories. I was six years old, 135 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:34.799 I think, and this was when I was growing up 136 00:10:34.840 --> 00:10:40.120 in West Texas and we lived out on the outskirts 137 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:45.519 of town. And so when I say outskirts, when I 138 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:49.879 would go out my front porch, open the gate, go 139 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:50.960 on the street. 140 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:56.440 And if I went to the west, which would be 141 00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:02.759 my right, and pass a few houses, there was a 142 00:11:02.840 --> 00:11:08.159 ranch our neighbors owned, and then you would see the plateaus. 143 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:12.919 And just land for miles and miles. That was essentially 144 00:11:13.039 --> 00:11:16.679 kind of my backyard. So in a way, I grew 145 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:20.759 up sort of a fair old child, so I was 146 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:25.399 used to being outdoors a lot growing up, you know, 147 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:30.000 bringing horny toads home as a pet that was a 148 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:36.639 weekly thing, and being told no, so kind of giving you, guys, 149 00:11:36.720 --> 00:11:40.759 like a gist of just how it was growing up. 150 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:45.639 So my grandmother would always make sure we would come 151 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:51.519 in at night, and when I got older, she would 152 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:55.320 always tell me, you know, we don't really go out 153 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:58.879 at night unless we have to, because if you venture 154 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:03.960 out far, especially away from houses and stuff, ilobo will 155 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:11.200 get you. And that's the wolf translated from Spanish. And 156 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:14.240 I didn't really question her. I just pictured like a 157 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:18.679 man wolf type looking thing, you know, snatching kids up 158 00:12:18.679 --> 00:12:22.759 at night, kind of like la rona that she also 159 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:28.679 used as a scare tactic with me, So I didn't 160 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:32.039 go out much at night, but I would play outside 161 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:36.960 all the time. So I was six, and I was 162 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:42.480 in our front yard playing, and I'm trying to think 163 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:48.639 what time of year it was. It's West Texas, live 164 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.039 out in the desert, so it's kind of hot year round, 165 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:59.559 but that probably doesn't matter. It was before sunset, too, 166 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:05.960 and so I was outside playing in the mud, doing 167 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:11.039 my thing, and I felt like I was being watched, 168 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:17.360 and so I I kind of, you know, when on alert, 169 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:23.279 I turned to our house behind us, and I looked 170 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:26.519 to see if you know, it was my grandparents then 171 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:31.679 they were raising me and my grandmother was that nosy 172 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.360 neighbor looking through the blinds? I thought it was her. No, 173 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:39.159 So I looked kind of scanned to see if it 174 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:42.559 was the neighbor across the street sitting on their porch, 175 00:13:43.159 --> 00:13:47.600 you know, to wave to be courteous. They weren't out there, 176 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:54.960 and it was across the street from us cat a corner. 177 00:13:55.399 --> 00:14:03.159 I would say, to my left, this old adobe structure, 178 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:08.600 and I remember it was like a very pale, pepobysmal 179 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:14.480 pink looking kind of little structure, and the windows didn't 180 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:22.399 have any screens, and the window edges were were wood 181 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:25.120 and they were like a rotted wood. So it was old. 182 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:27.440 I don't know how old it was, but it belonged 183 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:31.600 to our neighbors. It wasn't developed. They were planning to 184 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:38.720 knock that house or shack down. And when I say 185 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:43.919 shack think of your outdoor type shed where you store 186 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:50.279 like your lawnmower and small lawn equipment. Very small. So 187 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.159 I didn't know when they were planning to knock it 188 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:59.600 down and develop it, but just from my grandparents talking 189 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:03.360 to them, that's what was in works. And it was 190 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:13.159 brushy like there was maybe like a small tree, nothing major, 191 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:20.039 like a mesquite tree, and it was overgrown. And so 192 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:27.679 this structure with the foundation, it was several feet high. 193 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:33.399 So what drew my attention was to the window that 194 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:37.600 was facing our house. And as I stated, there were 195 00:15:37.840 --> 00:15:44.440 just no screens, no nothing. Even the door is like 196 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.799 blacked out or not blacked out, but there's no door. 197 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:52.240 But when I say blacked out, it was always dark 198 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:56.480 in there. The neighbors rarely went into that little shed. 199 00:15:57.720 --> 00:15:59.240 And I want to say it was two or three 200 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:04.039 years after this encounter was when they knocked it down 201 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.519 and built on that land a little piece of land. 202 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:13.519 This is what stood out to me. And looking into 203 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:20.200 the window, I could see these two glowing blue balls, 204 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:25.840 though they're you know, glowing blue balls then, but looking 205 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:29.960 back now and with what I know, it was more 206 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.039 of an eye shine, and it was staring back at me. 207 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:41.000 And this window was probably two feet off the ground, 208 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:46.159 and so the eye shine was three feet, you know, 209 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:50.879 from the ground, so not too tall. And as a kid, 210 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:54.240 well I'm four eleven now as a grown adult, so 211 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:58.720 I was pretty small then that still seemed pretty big. 212 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:05.480 But still I kind of froze and was puzzled, and 213 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.519 I kind of, you know, kind of looking back at 214 00:17:09.559 --> 00:17:16.960 that moment, that's the same energy or feeling that that 215 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:20.319 thing was projecting back at me, like what is this 216 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:27.119 what is this teacup human doing? So my grandfather came 217 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:31.839 outside called me back into the house because dinner was ready, 218 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:40.839 and that was that. So the second encounter, I was 219 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:46.000 a teen and I had moved in with my dad 220 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:51.920 and he remarried my stepmother. This is an abiline and 221 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:57.519 so I left my grandparents and they still had the 222 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:02.519 house in Fort Stockton, so I visited Frank. So it 223 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:09.359 was at night and being the teen it was my 224 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:15.039 job to take the trash out, and we lived on 225 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:18.960 a pretty populated street. This is the house that's one 226 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:23.400 hundred years old, so it had different houses go up 227 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:29.160 around it, and it's more centralized than my paths location. 228 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:35.480 And so I'm taking the trash out. It's a nice 229 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:40.279 night and I'm kind of enjoying the night, the cool 230 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:44.480 air and whatnot. And I have to take the trash 231 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:48.240 to the little dumpster that you usually wheel down to 232 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:51.319 the end of your street for the dumpster to come 233 00:18:51.359 --> 00:18:56.720 grab it. And I had set the trash down so 234 00:18:56.799 --> 00:19:02.079 I can open the lid, and I looked up, just 235 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:08.799 like a brief moment, and down the street a couple 236 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:14.920 of houses down, I could see this man walking with 237 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:23.319 a dog on his side, and I figured neighbor walking 238 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:28.279 down the street. You know, they're just going about. And 239 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:33.599 I bent down to grab the trash and make sure 240 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:38.559 nothing was left on the ground and threw it in there, 241 00:19:39.079 --> 00:19:41.880 and I closed the lid, and you know, I glanced 242 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:48.400 up and this man that was walking his dog, well 243 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:52.119 he was still there walking. They were going away from us, 244 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:58.000 or away from our house. The dog that was walking 245 00:19:58.000 --> 00:20:03.279 beside him, which to me like a large dog was 246 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:09.799 suddenly a person walking, and that kind of spooped me 247 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:14.920 because I kind of questioned for a moment, like did 248 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:20.519 I see that? Or maybe it was, you know, drug addicts. 249 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:24.279 I'm not sure, because who knows. I kind of shook 250 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:30.279 it off and just walked back into the house and 251 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:37.240 I got ready for bed and went ahead and fell asleep. 252 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:42.759 And this is when I had that dream. I was 253 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:48.359 back in my hometown, back in my childhood home, and 254 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:57.119 my room that I was in as a child, based 255 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:02.559 that plateau I had described in the first encounter, so 256 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:10.119 it was facing the west, and in the dream, I 257 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:18.200 was asleep in the bed and just this large clad 258 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:25.359 hand reaches out of the screen and grabs my back 259 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:31.160 and starts pulling me out of the window, and I 260 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:37.880 wake up kind of like whoa. And to me, when 261 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:40.039 I woke up, it felt like those dreams you have 262 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:43.680 when you're falling and I guess your body moves or 263 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:47.480 twitches and you kind of, you know, you jolt awake. 264 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:49.720 That's what it felt like. But I didn't have that 265 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:54.839 sense of a nightmare. So I got up to use 266 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:58.240 the restroom, and it was morning by then, so I 267 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.880 was going to be up for the day and I 268 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:04.880 was just going about my business and I wasn't even 269 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:08.920 thinking on that dream at all, and I started to 270 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:14.200 feel like this burning sensation on my back, like that 271 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:20.680 exact portion where I was scratched, and I checked and 272 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:28.880 I didn't have any marks or anything. And I'm not 273 00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:33.160 one to really clawed myself in my sleep, so that 274 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:36.720 didn't occur that maybe I did that, but I just 275 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:42.400 thought that was really odd with seeing the person with 276 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.519 the dog walking and then all of a sudden, after 277 00:22:45.599 --> 00:22:48.480 a few seconds, it was two people walking and then 278 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:54.839 having this dream. And so my brain was like, well that, 279 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.319 I'm just trying to put two and two together and like, well, 280 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:03.319 it's were wolf and that's why you had this nightmare. 281 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:13.519 So later on that day, I had gone outside to sketch. 282 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:20.160 It was a nice day, and that house sits on 283 00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:25.440 like maybe half an acre. It's a fairly decent sized property, 284 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:32.799 so you know, I could wander around and I'd finished 285 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:36.000 sketching and I decided to go back into the house. 286 00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:39.480 And I'm very clumsy, so I'm always looking at the 287 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:45.640 ground to see where I'm going, and I was walking 288 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:50.440 and as soon as I left the where it was 289 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:58.200 more earth like with shrubs and leaves and whatnot. It 290 00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:01.920 turned into more dirt kind of towards the house and 291 00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:06.519 the foundation. And you know, I was outside my window 292 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:11.559 of my bedroom and I could see like this huge 293 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:18.079 paw print in the dirt, and I thought it was 294 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:25.480 odd because we owned two dogs, and if even if 295 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:29.880 they heard like a cat or or even my dad 296 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:34.000 tinkering around outside, they would, you know, make those little 297 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:38.279 gruffy noises dogs make when they sent something. And one 298 00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:40.839 of the dogs was a toy poodle and those things 299 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:45.839 are yappy, and you know, the previous to night, I 300 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:49.759 don't remember hearing them yap at anything, so that's what 301 00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.519 I found odd. And plus they couldn't make that big 302 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.119 of a print. It was. It was pretty massive compared 303 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.759 to their little paws, and you know, couldn't have been 304 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:04.799 a raccoon. So all of that together was odd to me. 305 00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:10.680 With the dream and seeing the people, so that was 306 00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:18.640 really it. And the final encounter, I would say it 307 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:25.079 was a couple of months later, and it was into 308 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:29.079 the spring. So when that encounter happened, it was sometime 309 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.680 during the fall, so this was when it was springing. 310 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.400 Stuff was starting to bloom kind of come back to life. 311 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:45.960 But the trees weren't yet producing leads then, So I'm 312 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:49.079 saying that just to kind of give a good time frame. 313 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:56.960 There's a state park in Buffalo Gap, Texas. It's Abilene 314 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:05.039 State Park, and right across the highway is Lake Abilene. 315 00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:09.720 It's a man made lake. Back then, it wasn't owned 316 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:12.880 by the state park or I guess the government, so 317 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:16.119 you were able to go in and out of it. 318 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:21.559 She's still my best friend to this day. Her and 319 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:27.359 I we would go to Lake Abilene and we would explore, 320 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:34.039 and there was this spot there that I had found 321 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:39.119 while kind of hiking, and we called it the meadow 322 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:44.720 because it was flat, you know, the trees surrounded it, 323 00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:50.799 and you know it was lush vegetation and sometimes wildflowers. 324 00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:54.599 And what we loved about it so much was, I'm 325 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:58.119 not sure if it was because the trees surrounding it 326 00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:03.680 made it its own little basin or what, but once 327 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:08.759 you stepped into the threshold of what we called the meadow, 328 00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:14.839 it was the temperature was just a couple of degrees cooler, 329 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:19.759 and we love that. We would sit there and talk 330 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:24.720 or just listen to our our walkman, or have photo 331 00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:34.599 shoots you know, being teen girl. And so this this encounter, 332 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:40.200 I had drove out there because I just wanted to 333 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:44.480 go to the meadow and maybe draw and kind of 334 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:52.359 get away from everyone. I liked exploring alone too, and 335 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:57.400 I still try to do it. So if I guess 336 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:03.119 I kind of learned my lesson but didn't, I don't know. 337 00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:08.200 It's hard to say. But I had decided, all right, 338 00:28:09.319 --> 00:28:11.599 I'm gonna, you know, see if I can find something 339 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:17.079 further or something cooler to do our weird teenage girl 340 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:24.400 photo shoots. So I wanted to escape and draw and 341 00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:29.559 just kind of get back with nature. So the meadow 342 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:35.200 is after you hit the entrance, you gotta go past 343 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:41.720 a few little curves and wines, and there's different off 344 00:28:42.039 --> 00:28:48.480 road paths I guess, like hunters would use them or people, 345 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:55.200 you know, you would see little trenches of people getting 346 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:59.680 stuck in the mud or they would be out there mudding. 347 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:06.119 So they were different small dirt roads off of this 348 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:11.039 the main road that I was on, and it would 349 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.160 branch off into trails, I guess, And to get to 350 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:19.119 the to the meadow, you would take like a small 351 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.519 dirt road off of that main road. The main road 352 00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.240 wound around the lake. The lake's not very big either, 353 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:34.480 and so I drove to the lake and there's this 354 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.920 huge I want to say it's an oak tree, but 355 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:44.480 that was kind of the initial visual landmark that we 356 00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:48.559 made that oh it's here, and that's where you could 357 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.359 park your car to not be in the way of 358 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.759 other people if they were driving, you know, to find 359 00:29:55.759 --> 00:30:00.960 a spot to park. The shore of the lake back 360 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:06.160 then wasn't too far, but it was still a little 361 00:30:06.160 --> 00:30:11.079 bit close enough. We've been through several droughts and whatnot, 362 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.359 and the lake has replenished itself. So I don't know 363 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:17.799 what it looks like now. I would love to go 364 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:22.680 back and look at it and see if the meadow 365 00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.559 is still there, but it's been so many years, so 366 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:33.519 that's why I'm trying to recall it is best I can. 367 00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:41.359 So you know, I had parked my vehicle in atmosphere 368 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:46.599 wise was it was a nice afternoon. There was no wind, 369 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:56.640 it was not too hot either, and so after I 370 00:30:56.680 --> 00:30:59.200 had kind of set up a little camp in the meadow, 371 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:03.079 like with my I had a messenger bag and I 372 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:06.559 would have a drink, and I would have my walkman, 373 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.440 and I would have my keys in it and I 374 00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:15.400 always brought a sketchbook. So after kind of doing my 375 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:19.720 thing there, I decided to get up and explore the 376 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:25.279 area and see if I could find, you know, the 377 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.359 different places we could do photo shoot, our little teenage 378 00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:33.920 girl photo shoots, and just I love exploring too, so 379 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.960 that was another bonus on my part. And so I 380 00:31:39.119 --> 00:31:42.759 just put everything in my messenger bag and I left 381 00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:49.599 it there, and I decided to start going down a 382 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:54.880 path that we had once gone down, and it was 383 00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.200 east of the lake. So if you were going to 384 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:06.960 paint a picture in your head with the shoreline, the 385 00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:10.000 shore line would be and the way I was heading, 386 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:17.240 I was heading up with the shoreline, like not going north, 387 00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:22.599 but you know it was east then just further out. 388 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:30.799 But if you venture out more towards your left or 389 00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:36.359 the south part of where I was at, you would 390 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:40.240 hit the edge of the property, the barbed wire fence, 391 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:43.880 and then the highway and then you know, skip over 392 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:48.400 it's state park lines. So you know, I was trying 393 00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:53.079 to keep this mental image in my brain, so I wouldn't, 394 00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.960 you know, suddenly end up on the highway and someone 395 00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.480 be like, there's a lost teenage girl, what is wrong? 396 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:07.599 So the path that we were kind of used to exploring. 397 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:12.160 I decided to go further deeper than what we explored, 398 00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:19.759 and that's when the trees and the shrubs were getting 399 00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:26.480 thicker and you would have to, you know, kind of 400 00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:31.119 bend and shimmy your way through a few of the 401 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.440