1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: At a book in. 2 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 2: Tonight's guest is Chris Tucker. Chris, welcome to the show. 3 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,079 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me and my little mockingbird companion 4 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:39,280 in the tree has a lot of things to say. 5 00:01:39,159 --> 00:01:43,079 Speaker 2: So I noticed that. Yeah, it sounds like they do 6 00:01:43,159 --> 00:01:46,040 have a lot to say. It's a nice touch though. 7 00:01:46,079 --> 00:01:49,680 I'm glad they're there. Chris. Yeah, please give us a 8 00:01:49,719 --> 00:01:51,079 brief bio on yourself. 9 00:01:53,040 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: I am a thirty six year old female. My job 10 00:02:01,359 --> 00:02:06,519 is basically keeping the kids alive, well, not keeping the 11 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,120 kids alive a part. I plan to get a job soon, 12 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,840 but you know, that's just my occupation title. I tell 13 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:19,400 everybody I have lived in Texas my whole life. I 14 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:23,680 live in central Texas right now. I grew up in 15 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:29,080 West Texas, a little town called Fort Stockton, an an 16 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:34,400 hour and a half south of middlan Odessa, Texas. In 17 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:37,919 case a lot of people don't know what Fort where 18 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,759 Fort Stockton is, so just letting them know. But my 19 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:49,080 current location, I don't mind, you know, sharing is Abilene, Texas. 20 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:55,039 So they call it the big Country. And when pre kids, 21 00:02:55,159 --> 00:02:58,599 I used to get out in nature as much as 22 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,680 I could. I still like to do that, but it's 23 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,680 hard with little ones and teenagers trying to go do 24 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:12,039 things teenager things. So I hope to get back out 25 00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:17,360 more like in wooded areas in the years down the 26 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:21,000 road and just and I paint on the side, So 27 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:22,199 that's always fun. 28 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,719 Speaker 2: Wow, Chris, you stay busy keeping the kids alive. That's 29 00:03:26,719 --> 00:03:31,800 a full time job in and of itself. Oh yeah, yeah, 30 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,879 it definitely is. If you were a teen when you 31 00:03:34,919 --> 00:03:37,560 had your first encounter, how far were you into your 32 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:39,000 teen so whuldn't it happened? 33 00:03:42,599 --> 00:03:48,199 Speaker 1: I've I believe I was sixteen or seventeen. 34 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 2: Sixteen or seventeen. Did you take anything away from that 35 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:57,039 experience considering it happened at such a young age to 36 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,800 the point where you think it might have had long 37 00:03:58,879 --> 00:04:02,759 lasting effects, wound up affecting the adult that you grew. 38 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:10,159 Speaker 1: Up to be. I guess it for the most part. 39 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:16,439 Growing up, my dad or my grandfather, they would say, 40 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,399 you know, if you're indecisive on something or something doesn't 41 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:25,319 seem right, you know, go with your gut instinct or 42 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:32,600 your intuition. And when that encounter happened, and feeling the 43 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,439 need to, you know, kind of move along and get 44 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:40,959 out of there or that something wasn't right listening to that, 45 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,279 And then you know, as I've grown, I've honed it 46 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:50,160 a little bit better, so no one listens to me. 47 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,680 Still sometimes I like to point that out, but I 48 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,800 know I can more so believe in myself rather than 49 00:05:01,639 --> 00:05:07,360 other outside sources or anything that might be trying to 50 00:05:07,399 --> 00:05:09,560 say otherwise, I guess. 51 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,399 Speaker 2: Well, it definitely sounds like you've come to terms with it, 52 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,920 and as long as we can say that, that's definitely 53 00:05:14,959 --> 00:05:16,839 a good thing. And as far as trying to warn 54 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:19,079 other people, you know what they say, you can lead 55 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:21,759 a horse to water, and that's basically what we're talking 56 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:24,600 about here. If they wind up having an encounter and 57 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,079 paying the price because they didn't listen to you, then 58 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,560 that's a them problem, not a you problem. 59 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:31,199 Speaker 1: That's true. 60 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,399 Speaker 2: That's right. You're taking the trash out at the time 61 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:38,079 when it happened. Have you taken the trash out since 62 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:38,720 after dark? 63 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: Not so much, because that's usually our one of our 64 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,879 younger boys. We have four kids and the two teens, 65 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,600 that's their job. But one time he ran in freaked 66 00:05:54,639 --> 00:06:00,319 out saying it's so aware well in the alleyway, so 67 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:04,759 there is still more trash to take out. So when 68 00:06:05,319 --> 00:06:09,040 I I grabbed the trash, and I was like, werewolf. 69 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:12,639 Uh uh no, you know we're in a very more 70 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:18,279 populated area, so grabbing it. I still went out there defiantly. 71 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:24,079 But yeah, I still do things. I joke, I will 72 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:27,560 probably uh die petting something I shouldn't. 73 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, sounds like it. And you don't frighten easily. 74 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,600 There's a were wolf outside and you still go out 75 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,480 there because you have trash to take out. That's pretty bold. 76 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: It was smelly. 77 00:06:41,319 --> 00:06:43,079 Speaker 2: What the were wolf or the trash? 78 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: Oh? The trash? 79 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,399 Speaker 2: Oh okay, I've got you. Yeah, I figure that's what 80 00:06:47,399 --> 00:06:50,879 you're talking about. You lived in a home at one 81 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:53,240 time that was over one hundred years old. Did you 82 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,879 ever have any supernatural experiences in it? 83 00:06:56,959 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: Oh? 84 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: A lot? If you want me to, I can actually 85 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:10,560 send you audio that my stepmother recorded. I'd never heard 86 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,439 it in person, but they would hear old timey music playing, 87 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:20,920 and she finally recorded it and it's pretty amazing actually. 88 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:27,079 So other than that, I've actually experienced a lot in 89 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:27,680 that house. 90 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,839 Speaker 2: Oh, I bet you have. I don't doubt that at all. 91 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,000 Funny thing about those hundred plus year old homes seems 92 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,759 like they have a lot of activity. 93 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,079 Speaker 1: Like that in them. 94 00:07:37,959 --> 00:07:41,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure about your first encounter, but I 95 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:43,600 know you haven't told your husband about your second one. 96 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:46,480 Have you told him about that first one yet? And 97 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:47,920 if not, why haven't you? 98 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: I think I ended up telling him eventually after we spoke, 99 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:02,199 and the reason was he doesn't experience paranormal things. He's 100 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:08,680 very factual. We're polar opposites, you know. He's Type A 101 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:14,519 and I'm Type B plus chaos, so and he's more 102 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:18,519 rational than I am, And so that was what made 103 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,079 me not really, I guess, be more open to what 104 00:08:22,439 --> 00:08:28,120 I've been experienced and encountered and I've I've also been 105 00:08:29,399 --> 00:08:33,000 but this was just for teenage problems. I've been in 106 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:36,120 a psychiatric ward and I didn't want to go back. 107 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, no one wants to. I don't blame you. What 108 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,840 was the biggest reason why you contacted me? Chris? 109 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: Well, after listening to a few encounters and kind of 110 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,919 remembering what the initial like, I guess the one that 111 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,960 was more impactful, which we be like the most recent 112 00:09:02,919 --> 00:09:08,799 at the lake was kind of like was this what 113 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,320 I saw? You know? Like? Or I guess validation and 114 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,240 just not to say to see if you know, make 115 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,759 sure I wasn't crazy, because what's real to some people 116 00:09:20,879 --> 00:09:23,639 might not be real to others, and vice versa. But 117 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,200 it just it started away heavy on me. Even as 118 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,799 I would listen to other encounters. You know, that growing 119 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,679 nag to reach out to you and talk to you 120 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,600 grew and grew. So I bit the bullet and decided 121 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:41,480 to contact you. 122 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 2: Well, it goods with us saying I'm so glad you did. Yeah, 123 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,480 that's what I'm here for. If you've had a dog 124 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,679 mean encounter, I would like to speak with me about it, 125 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,440 whether I'm private or on the show, please go to 126 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:57,399 Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. If you've had 127 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,039 a big foot sighting and would like to be a 128 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,840 guest on one of my two bigfoot shows, please go 129 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:07,120 to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right, Chris, please 130 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,799 tell us about your encounters. Now, give us everal last 131 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:11,080 detail that comes to mind. 132 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I'll start from childhood and then the teenage 133 00:10:17,799 --> 00:10:22,799 up into the lake because my ADHD brain will want 134 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:30,600 to go off in other territories. I was six years old, 135 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,799 I think, and this was when I was growing up 136 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:40,120 in West Texas and we lived out on the outskirts 137 00:10:40,279 --> 00:10:45,519 of town. And so when I say outskirts, when I 138 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:49,879 would go out my front porch, open the gate, go 139 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:50,960 on the street. 140 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 3: And if I went to the west, which would be 141 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:02,759 my right, and pass a few houses, there was a 142 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:08,159 ranch our neighbors owned, and then you would see the plateaus. 143 00:11:08,279 --> 00:11:12,919 Speaker 1: And just land for miles and miles. That was essentially 144 00:11:13,039 --> 00:11:16,679 kind of my backyard. So in a way, I grew 145 00:11:16,759 --> 00:11:20,759 up sort of a fair old child, so I was 146 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:25,399 used to being outdoors a lot growing up, you know, 147 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:30,000 bringing horny toads home as a pet that was a 148 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:36,639 weekly thing, and being told no, so kind of giving you, guys, 149 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,759 like a gist of just how it was growing up. 150 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,639 So my grandmother would always make sure we would come 151 00:11:45,639 --> 00:11:51,519 in at night, and when I got older, she would 152 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:55,320 always tell me, you know, we don't really go out 153 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,879 at night unless we have to, because if you venture 154 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:03,960 out far, especially away from houses and stuff, ilobo will 155 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:11,200 get you. And that's the wolf translated from Spanish. And 156 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,240 I didn't really question her. I just pictured like a 157 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,679 man wolf type looking thing, you know, snatching kids up 158 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,759 at night, kind of like la rona that she also 159 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:28,679 used as a scare tactic with me, So I didn't 160 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,039 go out much at night, but I would play outside 161 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:36,960 all the time. So I was six, and I was 162 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,480 in our front yard playing, and I'm trying to think 163 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:48,639 what time of year it was. It's West Texas, live 164 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,039 out in the desert, so it's kind of hot year round, 165 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:59,559 but that probably doesn't matter. It was before sunset, too, 166 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:05,960 and so I was outside playing in the mud, doing 167 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:11,039 my thing, and I felt like I was being watched, 168 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:17,360 and so I I kind of, you know, when on alert, 169 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:23,279 I turned to our house behind us, and I looked 170 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:26,519 to see if you know, it was my grandparents then 171 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,679 they were raising me and my grandmother was that nosy 172 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,360 neighbor looking through the blinds? I thought it was her. No, 173 00:13:36,279 --> 00:13:39,159 So I looked kind of scanned to see if it 174 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:42,559 was the neighbor across the street sitting on their porch, 175 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:47,600 you know, to wave to be courteous. They weren't out there, 176 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:54,960 and it was across the street from us cat a corner. 177 00:13:55,399 --> 00:14:03,159 I would say, to my left, this old adobe structure, 178 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,600 and I remember it was like a very pale, pepobysmal 179 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:14,480 pink looking kind of little structure, and the windows didn't 180 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:22,399 have any screens, and the window edges were were wood 181 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:25,120 and they were like a rotted wood. So it was old. 182 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,440 I don't know how old it was, but it belonged 183 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,600 to our neighbors. It wasn't developed. They were planning to 184 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,720 knock that house or shack down. And when I say 185 00:14:38,799 --> 00:14:43,919 shack think of your outdoor type shed where you store 186 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:50,279 like your lawnmower and small lawn equipment. Very small. So 187 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,159 I didn't know when they were planning to knock it 188 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:59,600 down and develop it, but just from my grandparents talking 189 00:14:59,639 --> 00:15:03,360 to them, that's what was in works. And it was 190 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:13,159 brushy like there was maybe like a small tree, nothing major, 191 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:20,039 like a mesquite tree, and it was overgrown. And so 192 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:27,679 this structure with the foundation, it was several feet high. 193 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,399 So what drew my attention was to the window that 194 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,600 was facing our house. And as I stated, there were 195 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:44,440 just no screens, no nothing. Even the door is like 196 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:48,799 blacked out or not blacked out, but there's no door. 197 00:15:49,159 --> 00:15:52,240 But when I say blacked out, it was always dark 198 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,480 in there. The neighbors rarely went into that little shed. 199 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,240 And I want to say it was two or three 200 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:04,039 years after this encounter was when they knocked it down 201 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,519 and built on that land a little piece of land. 202 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:13,519 This is what stood out to me. And looking into 203 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:20,200 the window, I could see these two glowing blue balls, 204 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,840 though they're you know, glowing blue balls then, but looking 205 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:29,960 back now and with what I know, it was more 206 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:34,039 of an eye shine, and it was staring back at me. 207 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:41,000 And this window was probably two feet off the ground, 208 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:46,159 and so the eye shine was three feet, you know, 209 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,879 from the ground, so not too tall. And as a kid, 210 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:54,240 well I'm four eleven now as a grown adult, so 211 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:58,720 I was pretty small then that still seemed pretty big. 212 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:05,480 But still I kind of froze and was puzzled, and 213 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,519 I kind of, you know, kind of looking back at 214 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:16,960 that moment, that's the same energy or feeling that that 215 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,319 thing was projecting back at me, like what is this 216 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:27,119 what is this teacup human doing? So my grandfather came 217 00:17:27,599 --> 00:17:31,839 outside called me back into the house because dinner was ready, 218 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:40,839 and that was that. So the second encounter, I was 219 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:46,000 a teen and I had moved in with my dad 220 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:51,920 and he remarried my stepmother. This is an abiline and 221 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:57,519 so I left my grandparents and they still had the 222 00:17:57,559 --> 00:18:02,519 house in Fort Stockton, so I visited Frank. So it 223 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:09,359 was at night and being the teen it was my 224 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:15,039 job to take the trash out, and we lived on 225 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,960 a pretty populated street. This is the house that's one 226 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,400 hundred years old, so it had different houses go up 227 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:29,160 around it, and it's more centralized than my paths location. 228 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,480 And so I'm taking the trash out. It's a nice 229 00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:40,279 night and I'm kind of enjoying the night, the cool 230 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,480 air and whatnot. And I have to take the trash 231 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:48,240 to the little dumpster that you usually wheel down to 232 00:18:48,279 --> 00:18:51,319 the end of your street for the dumpster to come 233 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:56,720 grab it. And I had set the trash down so 234 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:02,079 I can open the lid, and I looked up, just 235 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:08,799 like a brief moment, and down the street a couple 236 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:14,920 of houses down, I could see this man walking with 237 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:23,319 a dog on his side, and I figured neighbor walking 238 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,279 down the street. You know, they're just going about. And 239 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,599 I bent down to grab the trash and make sure 240 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,559 nothing was left on the ground and threw it in there, 241 00:19:39,079 --> 00:19:41,880 and I closed the lid, and you know, I glanced 242 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:48,400 up and this man that was walking his dog, well 243 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,119 he was still there walking. They were going away from us, 244 00:19:52,519 --> 00:19:58,000 or away from our house. The dog that was walking 245 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:03,279 beside him, which to me like a large dog was 246 00:20:03,319 --> 00:20:09,799 suddenly a person walking, and that kind of spooped me 247 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:14,920 because I kind of questioned for a moment, like did 248 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:20,519 I see that? Or maybe it was, you know, drug addicts. 249 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:24,279 I'm not sure, because who knows. I kind of shook 250 00:20:24,319 --> 00:20:30,279 it off and just walked back into the house and 251 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:37,240 I got ready for bed and went ahead and fell asleep. 252 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,759 And this is when I had that dream. I was 253 00:20:42,839 --> 00:20:48,359 back in my hometown, back in my childhood home, and 254 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:57,119 my room that I was in as a child, based 255 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:02,559 that plateau I had described in the first encounter, so 256 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:10,119 it was facing the west, and in the dream, I 257 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:18,200 was asleep in the bed and just this large clad 258 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:25,359 hand reaches out of the screen and grabs my back 259 00:21:25,839 --> 00:21:31,160 and starts pulling me out of the window, and I 260 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:37,880 wake up kind of like whoa. And to me, when 261 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,039 I woke up, it felt like those dreams you have 262 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,680 when you're falling and I guess your body moves or 263 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:47,480 twitches and you kind of, you know, you jolt awake. 264 00:21:47,559 --> 00:21:49,720 That's what it felt like. But I didn't have that 265 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:54,839 sense of a nightmare. So I got up to use 266 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,240 the restroom, and it was morning by then, so I 267 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,880 was going to be up for the day and I 268 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,880 was just going about my business and I wasn't even 269 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,920 thinking on that dream at all, and I started to 270 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:14,200 feel like this burning sensation on my back, like that 271 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:20,680 exact portion where I was scratched, and I checked and 272 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:28,880 I didn't have any marks or anything. And I'm not 273 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,160 one to really clawed myself in my sleep, so that 274 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,720 didn't occur that maybe I did that, but I just 275 00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:42,400 thought that was really odd with seeing the person with 276 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,519 the dog walking and then all of a sudden, after 277 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:48,480 a few seconds, it was two people walking and then 278 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:54,839 having this dream. And so my brain was like, well that, 279 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,319 I'm just trying to put two and two together and like, well, 280 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,319 it's were wolf and that's why you had this nightmare. 281 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:13,519 So later on that day, I had gone outside to sketch. 282 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:20,160 It was a nice day, and that house sits on 283 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:25,440 like maybe half an acre. It's a fairly decent sized property, 284 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:32,799 so you know, I could wander around and I'd finished 285 00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:36,000 sketching and I decided to go back into the house. 286 00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:39,480 And I'm very clumsy, so I'm always looking at the 287 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:45,640 ground to see where I'm going, and I was walking 288 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:50,440 and as soon as I left the where it was 289 00:23:50,519 --> 00:23:58,200 more earth like with shrubs and leaves and whatnot. It 290 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,920 turned into more dirt kind of towards the house and 291 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:06,519 the foundation. And you know, I was outside my window 292 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:11,559 of my bedroom and I could see like this huge 293 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:18,079 paw print in the dirt, and I thought it was 294 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:25,480 odd because we owned two dogs, and if even if 295 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,880 they heard like a cat or or even my dad 296 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,000 tinkering around outside, they would, you know, make those little 297 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:38,279 gruffy noises dogs make when they sent something. And one 298 00:24:38,319 --> 00:24:40,839 of the dogs was a toy poodle and those things 299 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,839 are yappy, and you know, the previous to night, I 300 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,759 don't remember hearing them yap at anything, so that's what 301 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:52,519 I found odd. And plus they couldn't make that big 302 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:56,119 of a print. It was. It was pretty massive compared 303 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,759 to their little paws, and you know, couldn't have been 304 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:04,799 a raccoon. So all of that together was odd to me. 305 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:10,680 With the dream and seeing the people, so that was 306 00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:18,640 really it. And the final encounter, I would say it 307 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:25,079 was a couple of months later, and it was into 308 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,079 the spring. So when that encounter happened, it was sometime 309 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,680 during the fall, so this was when it was springing. 310 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,400 Stuff was starting to bloom kind of come back to life. 311 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:45,960 But the trees weren't yet producing leads then, So I'm 312 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,079 saying that just to kind of give a good time frame. 313 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:56,960 There's a state park in Buffalo Gap, Texas. It's Abilene 314 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:05,039 State Park, and right across the highway is Lake Abilene. 315 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,720 It's a man made lake. Back then, it wasn't owned 316 00:26:09,759 --> 00:26:12,880 by the state park or I guess the government, so 317 00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:16,119 you were able to go in and out of it. 318 00:26:18,079 --> 00:26:21,559 She's still my best friend to this day. Her and 319 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:27,359 I we would go to Lake Abilene and we would explore, 320 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:34,039 and there was this spot there that I had found 321 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,119 while kind of hiking, and we called it the meadow 322 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:44,720 because it was flat, you know, the trees surrounded it, 323 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:50,799 and you know it was lush vegetation and sometimes wildflowers. 324 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,599 And what we loved about it so much was, I'm 325 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,119 not sure if it was because the trees surrounding it 326 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,680 made it its own little basin or what, but once 327 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:08,759 you stepped into the threshold of what we called the meadow, 328 00:27:09,559 --> 00:27:14,839 it was the temperature was just a couple of degrees cooler, 329 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,759 and we love that. We would sit there and talk 330 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,720 or just listen to our our walkman, or have photo 331 00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:34,599 shoots you know, being teen girl. And so this this encounter, 332 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,200 I had drove out there because I just wanted to 333 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,480 go to the meadow and maybe draw and kind of 334 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:52,359 get away from everyone. I liked exploring alone too, and 335 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,400 I still try to do it. So if I guess 336 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,119 I kind of learned my lesson but didn't, I don't know. 337 00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:08,200 It's hard to say. But I had decided, all right, 338 00:28:09,319 --> 00:28:11,599 I'm gonna, you know, see if I can find something 339 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:17,079 further or something cooler to do our weird teenage girl 340 00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:24,400 photo shoots. So I wanted to escape and draw and 341 00:28:24,519 --> 00:28:29,559 just kind of get back with nature. So the meadow 342 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:35,200 is after you hit the entrance, you gotta go past 343 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:41,720 a few little curves and wines, and there's different off 344 00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:48,480 road paths I guess, like hunters would use them or people, 345 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:55,200 you know, you would see little trenches of people getting 346 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,680 stuck in the mud or they would be out there mudding. 347 00:29:01,359 --> 00:29:06,119 So they were different small dirt roads off of this 348 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,039 the main road that I was on, and it would 349 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:14,160 branch off into trails, I guess, And to get to 350 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,119 the to the meadow, you would take like a small 351 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,519 dirt road off of that main road. The main road 352 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,240 wound around the lake. The lake's not very big either, 353 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:34,480 and so I drove to the lake and there's this 354 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,920 huge I want to say it's an oak tree, but 355 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:44,480 that was kind of the initial visual landmark that we 356 00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:48,559 made that oh it's here, and that's where you could 357 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,359 park your car to not be in the way of 358 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,759 other people if they were driving, you know, to find 359 00:29:55,759 --> 00:30:00,960 a spot to park. The shore of the lake back 360 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,160 then wasn't too far, but it was still a little 361 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,079 bit close enough. We've been through several droughts and whatnot, 362 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,359 and the lake has replenished itself. So I don't know 363 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,799 what it looks like now. I would love to go 364 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,680 back and look at it and see if the meadow 365 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:27,559 is still there, but it's been so many years, so 366 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,519 that's why I'm trying to recall it is best I can. 367 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:41,359 So you know, I had parked my vehicle in atmosphere 368 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:46,599 wise was it was a nice afternoon. There was no wind, 369 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:56,640 it was not too hot either, and so after I 370 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,200 had kind of set up a little camp in the meadow, 371 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,079 like with my I had a messenger bag and I 372 00:31:03,119 --> 00:31:06,559 would have a drink, and I would have my walkman, 373 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,440 and I would have my keys in it and I 374 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:15,400 always brought a sketchbook. So after kind of doing my 375 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:19,720 thing there, I decided to get up and explore the 376 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:25,279 area and see if I could find, you know, the 377 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:28,359 different places we could do photo shoot, our little teenage 378 00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:33,920 girl photo shoots, and just I love exploring too, so 379 00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:38,960 that was another bonus on my part. And so I 380 00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:42,759 just put everything in my messenger bag and I left 381 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:49,599 it there, and I decided to start going down a 382 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,880 path that we had once gone down, and it was 383 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,200 east of the lake. So if you were going to 384 00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:06,960 paint a picture in your head with the shoreline, the 385 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 shore line would be and the way I was heading, 386 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:17,240 I was heading up with the shoreline, like not going north, 387 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:22,599 but you know it was east then just further out. 388 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:30,799 But if you venture out more towards your left or 389 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:36,359 the south part of where I was at, you would 390 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,240 hit the edge of the property, the barbed wire fence, 391 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,880 and then the highway and then you know, skip over 392 00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:48,400 it's state park lines. So you know, I was trying 393 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:53,079 to keep this mental image in my brain, so I wouldn't, 394 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,960 you know, suddenly end up on the highway and someone 395 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,480 be like, there's a lost teenage girl, what is wrong? 396 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:07,599 So the path that we were kind of used to exploring. 397 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:12,160 I decided to go further deeper than what we explored, 398 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:19,759 and that's when the trees and the shrubs were getting 399 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:26,480 thicker and you would have to, you know, kind of 400 00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:31,119 bend and shimmy your way through a few of the 401 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,440 trees to make your way through. And I was doing that, 402 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,839 and I was, I was, I was enjoying myself looking 403 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,240 at the trees surrounding me and kind of enjoying just 404 00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:51,440 the sounds and seeing different varieties of plants starting to 405 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,440 get brought back to life as it was barely spring, 406 00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:02,359 and I don't know how far to my walk or 407 00:34:02,519 --> 00:34:06,640 minutes was when it started to feel off and I 408 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:14,599 started to feel watch and so I figured, maybe it's 409 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:20,639 like a little critter or or or you know, a deer, 410 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,880 and I kind of shrugged it off. But there was 411 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,519 a sound that I heard back then. I joked that 412 00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,639 it was like a it was a moose. I heard 413 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,440 a moose. That we have no moose in Texas that 414 00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:41,760 I know of, so it wasn't that. But it wasn't 415 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:46,159 a growl. It was a weird noise and it could 416 00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,159 have been an elk. My brother told me, there's elt 417 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:56,480 out here, and it could have been that, it could 418 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,159 have been something else. But being a teenager and hearing 419 00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:07,639 that and just being a little old me, I was like, Okay, 420 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,400 I don't know what that is. I'm going to turn around. 421 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:15,679 So I'm walking back so I can find that familiar 422 00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:20,880 trail my friend and I were used to and so 423 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,360 that can get me back towards where I left my 424 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:29,000 things at in the little Meadow area. And as I'm 425 00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:38,239 making my way, I'm feeling watched still, and I started 426 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:46,079 getting this weird spine. When I had reached out to you, Vic, 427 00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:50,800 I had told you about the coyotes, and this was 428 00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:56,079 the past summer as a reference. We were ghost hunting 429 00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:03,000 the antsm lights my big brother and his two other friends, 430 00:36:03,639 --> 00:36:10,159 and they're these big Neanderthal type, you know, young adults. 431 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,440 So the story is you turn around at a certain 432 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,840 point and you flash your lights and the ghost light 433 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:22,199 comes up. Well, they wanted to disprove that, so they 434 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,159 decided to get out of the vehicle and we were 435 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,000 in my brother's pickup truck and the guys wanted to 436 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:35,920 head down towards the cemetery too, I guess try to 437 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,239 debunk it or whatnot. I just wanted to stay in 438 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:45,119 the vehicle because we had heard coyotes earlier. So I 439 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,400 stayed in the vehicle. And as they were going down 440 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:56,280 the dirt road for these ghost lights, these coyotes, I 441 00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:02,960 could hear the howling getting closer, and it felt from 442 00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:06,519 the sound that they were making that they were circling 443 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:12,559 the truck. And both the driver's side and the passenger 444 00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:15,760 side windows were rolled down, and he took the keys 445 00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,239 with him so I couldn't roll them up. I was screwed, 446 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:25,079 I thought back then, and I felt hunted. You know, 447 00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:29,599 they weren't going to go after you know, three big 448 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:35,159 two hundred plus you know, young adult males when there 449 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,719 was one hundred and fifty pounds, you know, four to 450 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:44,519 eleven female that they were probably smelling, you know, as 451 00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:46,480 I think about it, you know, so it made more 452 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:52,519 sense to see what I was all about, and just 453 00:37:52,719 --> 00:38:01,519 that sense of dread and it's not panic, but it was. 454 00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:07,840 It was something that I like to describe as like primitive. 455 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:15,159 Was to just kind of make myself feel small and 456 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,599 try to go down into the cab of the truck 457 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,719 to maybe not have the wind pick up my scent. 458 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:29,039 Or keep picking it up. And just that was just 459 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:32,159 you know, my teenage brain thinking, you know, I could 460 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,519 maybe do this and whatever these coyotes. So that's that 461 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:42,199 was that. And back at you know, Lake Abilene, that 462 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:46,480 was the same feeling I got as the coyotes, you know, 463 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,480 was the I feel like I'm being hunted or something's 464 00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:55,840 pursuing me. It's a very hard feeling to describe, but 465 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,360 when I've heard other people try to describe it, it's 466 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,800 one of those I know what you're talking about moments. 467 00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:09,559 It's one of those recognitions. It's weird, but I was 468 00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:14,159 feeling that. And so being a kid, I watched a 469 00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:20,039 lot of animal shows on the Discovery Channel before it 470 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:25,599 turned into whatever it is now, and I remember when 471 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:28,480 they would talk about big felines because this is probably 472 00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:33,840 maybe out here. Besides coyotes, the largest predator we're going 473 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,480 to get is a mountain lion. And I know that 474 00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:45,760 they are more of the surprise ambush and you know 475 00:39:46,119 --> 00:39:50,639 if they follow you while you're doing your thing, and 476 00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:56,599 so I'm thinking, maybe that's what's happening. I'm looking back 477 00:39:56,599 --> 00:39:59,280 at those shows. I'm trying to piece it together because 478 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,119 when I would walk and I could hear my feet 479 00:40:04,199 --> 00:40:08,840 under the dead leaves and all that jazz. It was 480 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,880 maybe a little distant, but I could tell something else 481 00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,519 was there. And it wasn't the usual lizard scampering because 482 00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:21,039 they heard you, or the little ground squirrels or anything 483 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:26,119 like that. Those kind of make more of a chaotic, 484 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,599 frenzied type scurrying noise and the dead leaves or brush 485 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:37,519 or whatnot. But it felt like whatever was following me 486 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,400 was sort of kind of keeping pace with me. So 487 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,920 I would pause then, thinking I would catch it off guard, 488 00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:51,199 you know, but I never saw anything. And in my head, 489 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,760 I would be like, I just need to get to, 490 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,800 you know, the vehicle, or I need to get to 491 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,400 the path so I can get to my vehicle. And 492 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,519 I have, you know, my mind's voice, like I know 493 00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:09,199 what my mind's voice sounds like, so like an intrusive thought, 494 00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:13,840 more of an intrusive voice was telling me to just 495 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:19,199 get out. There was no gender to it or anything 496 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:26,079 so that I can recall. But I would hear get out, 497 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:32,199 and that pushed me further, and I remember that was weird, 498 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,159 you know, especially kind of being more open to the paranormal. 499 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:42,199 I've never had an intrusive voice like that before, I've 500 00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:46,559 had my own voice, but me, that's an intrusive thought, 501 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:54,079 so that that was really strange for me. And I 502 00:41:54,159 --> 00:42:00,320 made it to that path that I recognized, and then 503 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,320 I could be a little bit more comfortable. I was 504 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,119 a little bit more at e's making my weight. I 505 00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:11,199 wasn't looking behind me feeling as paranoid as I was before. 506 00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:16,719 And I see the meadow in the in the clearing, 507 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,880 and I finally reach it, and that voice kind of 508 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,800 seemed to echo get out once I reached it, and 509 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,119 I bent down to pick up my book bag or 510 00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:36,159 my messenger bag, book bag, it doesn't matter. But I 511 00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:41,440 turned around to see if I was still being pursued 512 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,440 or if maybe it was a deer, just to see. 513 00:42:48,039 --> 00:42:53,400 And this was a couple of yards away from me. 514 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:59,639 This was a very large tree. It was very old, 515 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:09,119 very big and tall, and on the bark, I noticed 516 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:13,519 the discoloration, and as I kind of focused more on it, 517 00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:19,960 I saw what looked like a hand. And this hand 518 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:26,440 was it looked like a raccoon hand, but with very 519 00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:33,840 sharp claws, if you will. And as the hand went 520 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,320 up to where the wrist would be, that's where I 521 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,800 saw the fur and then up and then an elbow, 522 00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,679 and it looked like it was it had the arm 523 00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:51,760 around this big old tree, like it was kind of 524 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,079 just holding on, but not so much to keep it steady, 525 00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,920 as if you were to peek around from the tree 526 00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:02,880 to look over that. That was the impression I got. 527 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,760 But that's all I saw was this large hand holding 528 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,440 on to this tree, and the fur on it looked 529 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:20,559 like a German shepherd coloring type of color, or there 530 00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:22,960 wasn't much of a pattern. It was like that black 531 00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:28,559 raccoonish looking hand claw thing, and then you know, at 532 00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:31,599 the wrist and then the fur and it was that 533 00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:38,400 that colored German shepherds usually have. And I'm guessing it 534 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:44,760 was shedding its winter coat because it looked fluffy in 535 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,559 some parts, but not so fluffy. You know how animals 536 00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:52,719 look when they're they're shedding their winter coat and their 537 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,440 spring coats coming in. That That's how it looked like. 538 00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,800 There was nothing unkempt or just you know, it looked natural, 539 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:07,360 like normal for it. So I kind of fully stood up, 540 00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,559 you know, clutching my bag close to me, and it 541 00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,039 let go of the tree and disappeared, and I guess 542 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:22,280 it went off into the woods, and I turned around 543 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:28,679 and sprinted to my car. And my car was this 544 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,880 bright red color, so to me it was like this 545 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,519 red beacon of escape because it was fire engine red. 546 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,920 And I, you know, threw my bag in there, turned 547 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,800 it on, locked the doors, you know, like like that 548 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,280 would do me any good. But you know, to me, 549 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:53,320 it made me feel safe, and I left, and ever 550 00:45:53,519 --> 00:46:00,639 since then I haven't returned. I told my best friend 551 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:04,320 will you know, she wanted to go back there, and 552 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,800 I said, no, something weird happened to me. I don't 553 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,920 want to. I thought I heard a moose and I 554 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,840 don't want to go back. And so that was the 555 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,119 last of it. And you know I hadn't. Yeah, I 556 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:24,079 would love to go back, but that that was my encounter. 557 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 2: Wow, I'm so sorry to hear you have to go 558 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,880 through that that day. Sometimes not seeing something very well 559 00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:33,440 can be worse than getting a really good look. So 560 00:46:34,079 --> 00:46:37,360 I'm wondering, do you think it was more intense seeing 561 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,519 that clawed hand than if the dog would have stepped 562 00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:41,719 out from behind that tree. 563 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:51,679 Speaker 1: That's a good question, because you know, then I think 564 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,679 I would have Yeah, I probably would have been scared 565 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,039 out of my mind and whatnot. But and then looking 566 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:06,800 back now, I would feel more of a confirmation there's 567 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,679 something you know. So that's a double edged sword question. 568 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,599 Speaker 2: Oh it definitely. Is the reason why I asked that 569 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,400 is in a lot of cases, your imagination can be 570 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,039 a lot more frightening than reality can never throw at you. 571 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,239 So that's why I was wondering about that. Chris. We're 572 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,480 about out of time here. I've got a lot of 573 00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,280 questions to ask you. Would you be up for coming 574 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,000 back so we could do a Q and A sure, okay, great. 575 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,960 I was hoping you would say that, well, let's do that. 576 00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:41,000 Let's bring you back on to a Q and A 577 00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,039 so I can get to all these questions with you 578 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:44,639 and we'll just take it from there. 579 00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:47,400 Speaker 1: Then all right, that sounds good. 580 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,440 Speaker 2: Maya Definitely, I'm looking forward to it. And thanks against 581 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,840 so much for your time there, Chris, and I'll catch 582 00:47:53,840 --> 00:48:16,239 you next weeks.