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<v Speaker 1>I gotta get Israel to calm down. Now, the latest

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is doing. Fifty five krs the talk station DATO five.

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<v Speaker 1>Here at fifty five kr city talk station, Brian Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>wishing everyone a very happy Wednesday, and in studio, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>Marcel Sturbadge. He is running for Secretary of State here

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<v Speaker 1>in the state of Ohio. Marcel, it's always great to

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<v Speaker 1>see you. Welcome back. It's been a while.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been good. Yeah, it's been since September. We had

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<v Speaker 2>some issues then and we still have.

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<v Speaker 1>Some we do and you're running to fix those issues.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand. Sturbud st r b I c H four

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio f O R. Sturbadgefour Ohio dot coms website where

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<v Speaker 1>you can check out what he's all about. And oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, and thank you for your service to our country.

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<v Speaker 1>What an amazing service record you have. I mean the

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<v Speaker 1>number of decorations and award you receive, you served in combat,

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<v Speaker 1>just it's just an amazing thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, An. The privilege is all mine. My parents

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<v Speaker 2>came to this country from you. Europe, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>a pleasure to serve our country. And I want to

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<v Speaker 2>serve as well Ohioans, all Ohioans, and defend these election

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<v Speaker 2>systems well.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a critical role of the Secretary of State

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<v Speaker 1>is chief Elections offer officer here in the state of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you drawn to run to this position because you

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<v Speaker 1>see problems that you're capable of fixing or that you

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<v Speaker 1>have solutions to fix? I mean, what's your motivation on this?

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. You know, you would think coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of the military for twenty years, it's time to just reset.

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<v Speaker 2>Was forever wars we fought, that fought our nation's battles.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact of the matter is when you look

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<v Speaker 2>at our system, we've lost trust in it. And for

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, just prior to our November election, sixty six

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<v Speaker 2>percent of Americans we're questioning whether it would trust in

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<v Speaker 2>the honesty of the result of that election. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the kind of a crisis that we have

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<v Speaker 2>to look at and ask ourselves fundamentally, how are we drifting?

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<v Speaker 2>And when I put my analysis on this issue, and

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<v Speaker 2>I studied our election system deeply in the last two years,

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<v Speaker 2>did a number of call to actions. I went out,

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<v Speaker 2>I tried to pass and work with the legislature as

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<v Speaker 2>a citizen advocate, which is very unusual as a volunteer,

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<v Speaker 2>and put forward enhanced verifiability for voters. I looked at

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<v Speaker 2>the citizenship issue with verification to lack thereof, and I

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<v Speaker 2>even looked at the cybersecurity, which is a specialty in

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<v Speaker 2>a background that I had working at the Pentagon. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not a system that I could understand. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're a Republican or a Democrat. You're asking yourself, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with these global hacks with Microsoft that and their software servers.

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<v Speaker 2>This is recent and you know we're using these services,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we can't just continue to drift down here

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<v Speaker 2>and expect just to keep purchasing and acquiring spending more

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<v Speaker 2>money on cybersecurity. I think we have to revamp and

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<v Speaker 2>relook at all the variables of it, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>some very concrete solutions. So I'm very much an issue

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<v Speaker 2>based candidate and I have an understanding of the system

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<v Speaker 2>like nobody else in this race.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now. Well, that's all wonderful. By way of background.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the areas that I always hear about and

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds so you know, conspiracy theory electronic voting, and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's raising the specter what's going on behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>and the software? How do I know them? My my

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<v Speaker 1>vote has been accurately collected. You read articles from other

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<v Speaker 1>jurisdictions and other townships and other states, and you find

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<v Speaker 1>out that, wow, isn't that strange. One minute there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand votes, and then five minutes later, there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred votes. How did that happen? Where did this

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<v Speaker 1>late night dump come from? As my vote been accurately

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<v Speaker 1>recorded by the software? Who made the software? Who is

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<v Speaker 1>looking into that? These are all questions that I hear

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, and yet I don't know anything about

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on behind the scenes. I have no personal

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<v Speaker 1>understanding of how the software has developed, who's controlling it,

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<v Speaker 1>and if anything could be modified or changed.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I can say to that is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for the last twenty years, when we have computerized this

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<v Speaker 2>entire infrastructure of elections, what we'd failed to do is

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<v Speaker 2>upfront create independent security assessment review for those various systems,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's not really a third party involved. The vendor

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<v Speaker 2>really drives the entire process. The Secretary of State validates it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's kind of a self auditing function. And so

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<v Speaker 2>when we look at it, how much is this costing us?

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<v Speaker 2>And what's happened in Ohio in particular, in just the

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<v Speaker 2>last six years, we went from having an eighteen million

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<v Speaker 2>dollar budget in the Secretary of State's office to a

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five million dollar bush and that budget has been

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<v Speaker 2>growing because we're having to add these cybersecurity costs which

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<v Speaker 2>now are no longer being funded by the federal government,

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<v Speaker 2>so now our county commissioners are baring that cost. And

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<v Speaker 2>so this whole system is being relooked at. And when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at this administration, Brian President Trump has called

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<v Speaker 2>for decertifying some of these systems because rightfully so the

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<v Speaker 2>technologies from the early two thousands. In the early two thousands,

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<v Speaker 2>there was not even iPhones, So you don't even have

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<v Speaker 2>the ability to meet the degree of what we would

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<v Speaker 2>call zero day threats that are present. And I'll be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>all of these systems are designed to components, the software developers,

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<v Speaker 2>the suppliers from overseas. So why can't we get a

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<v Speaker 2>supply chain in the U the United States? If this

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<v Speaker 2>is truly critical infrastructure, if we're truly going to protect

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<v Speaker 2>that and give people assuredness and confidence, which they deserve.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I'm advocating to go back from a marketing

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<v Speaker 2>device to pre printed, hand markable paper ballots. They are unhackable,

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<v Speaker 2>they're the most transparent, that cost about a tenth and

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<v Speaker 2>Ohio is already doing it in some counties. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we need to be a leading state and go back

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have no argument with that. Conceptually, what is

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<v Speaker 1>the what are the counterpoints to that? Why wouldn't we

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<v Speaker 1>do that if we can, in fact restore the confidence

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<v Speaker 1>in the vote and the integrity of the vote by

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<v Speaker 1>going that route.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the fallacy that we have is that we've

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<v Speaker 2>already spent tens of millions of dollars, so we use

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<v Speaker 2>the sunk cost argument. You know, if we have them,

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<v Speaker 2>why shouldn't we use them. Well, if you can't secure

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<v Speaker 2>them past a two thousand and five security control level,

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<v Speaker 2>then you really can't have that degree of confidence and right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so what have we done? We have added

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<v Speaker 2>poll book e poll books, We've got other things. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>In Ohio this last selection, we had to suspend the

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<v Speaker 2>use of electronic poll books, which are checking devices that

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<v Speaker 2>are on polepads, and the reason we had to do

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<v Speaker 2>that in part is because the routers have been compromised

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<v Speaker 2>and had a cyber vulnerability exposure event. So the very

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructure by which we use in the connectivity of these systems,

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<v Speaker 2>which we're told they're not connected to the Internet, but

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<v Speaker 2>the pullbooks are connected in many ways. So that's just

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<v Speaker 2>one facet of what I could offer as a Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of State is I've worked with information systems technology. I've

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<v Speaker 2>worked at the private sector to secure the Pentagon's top

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<v Speaker 2>of the line, modern modern system equipment. And the truth

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot of our challenges aren't just in the

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<v Speaker 2>realm of cybersecurity. We're failing to properly share information between

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<v Speaker 2>the Secretary of State's office and the Board of Elections,

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<v Speaker 2>as simple information as identity and citizenship. And that's another

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<v Speaker 2>area of weakness that we.

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<v Speaker 1>Have that's not shared.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not because the way we have it set

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<v Speaker 2>up right now, because in part the federal government, we

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<v Speaker 2>accept all voter registration applications and then we check after

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<v Speaker 2>the fact. So nowhere is that whether you're talking banking,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you're talking you would never get a loan or

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<v Speaker 2>transact if you weren't qualified or eligible exactly. And so

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<v Speaker 2>with respect to the election systems, we have eight point

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<v Speaker 2>two million registered voters, and those eight point two million

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<v Speaker 2>registered voters cannot be qualified for eligibility just by the

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<v Speaker 2>Board of Elections. So we use the Secretary of State

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<v Speaker 2>and our Bureau of Motor Vehicles to do this. But

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<v Speaker 2>why couldn't the Secretary of State ensure that the Board

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<v Speaker 2>of Elections has access to that official data? And that's

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<v Speaker 2>where the battle is and that's where I'll take Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>to ensure proper information sharing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, that doesn't sound like a challenging ask or so,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like something that should already be in place.

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<v Speaker 1>So what hurdles need to be overcome to get something

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<v Speaker 1>so seemingly important and to ensure that illegals are not

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<v Speaker 1>voting in our elections? What are not allowed to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 2>It all starts with process and being the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>I've served in the military and organizational leadership level, you

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<v Speaker 2>look at every process and you break it down. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I've done in an exhaustive analysis of our

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<v Speaker 2>election laws or policies or procedures. And I think we

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<v Speaker 2>could cut down on the risk and start looking at

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<v Speaker 2>this Brian from a risk management threat assessment standpoint. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between I think what a political secretary of

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<v Speaker 2>state doesn't do because they see that position as a

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<v Speaker 2>stepping stone because as you know, how many how many

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<v Speaker 2>times does a secretary of state try to run for

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<v Speaker 2>Senate or governor. My focus is just to do this job.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to rotate and I don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>stay in this position. What I need to do is

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<v Speaker 2>I need to address and fix the issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Marcel Sturbage my guest in studio today again. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find them online at does Sturbage strbich four fo r

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<v Speaker 1>sturbagefoohio dot com. Check out his policies and admire his

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievably impressive military background. They would take it a little

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<v Speaker 1>slightly early break, we'll bring back Marcell. We'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>more what he wants to accomplish when he becomes secretary

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<v Speaker 1>Here is your channel nine first one on one forecasts.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be well. First off, the air quality

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen fifty fifth KR. See the talk station Marshall Starbage

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<v Speaker 1>and study right for Secretary of State here in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of behind has got good idea as an election

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<v Speaker 1>integrities background certainly lends itself to that role, most notably,

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<v Speaker 1>He's very savvy when it comes to technology and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>iron out things. In terms of our concerns over the election,

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<v Speaker 1>are the ballots that we cast? What other motivations and reasons?

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<v Speaker 1>What are the policies are you running on for your

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<v Speaker 2>Marcel Yeah, Well, first and foremost, you know, I'm raising

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<v Speaker 2>I want them to have a system that can trust

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<v Speaker 2>and believe in. And I don't want any type of controversies.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, elections have become overly complicated, costly controversial. That

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have to be that way. Some of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that I would propose up front are really common sense based.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, voter idea is supported by eighty four

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<v Speaker 2>percent of Americans, and when it comes to Ohio's elections,

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<v Speaker 2>voter idea only applies if you vote in person. So

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<v Speaker 2>what that means is that for the one million Ohioans

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<v Speaker 2>who are who have been casting their ballots by mail,

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<v Speaker 2>in they are not required by law to cast a

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<v Speaker 2>or to submit a copy of a photo I d

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<v Speaker 2>we should quickly close that loophole that we did when

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities for people to get a copy of a photo

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're gonna, I hate to say this out loud,

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<v Speaker 1>it come September. You're gonna need a photo ID to

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they passed that legislation, Bride, and so this is

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<v Speaker 2>right to that. I think the other area, as I

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<v Speaker 2>talked about, preprinted, hand marketable paper ballots should be the

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<v Speaker 2>It will save our counties tons and tons of money

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to eligibility verification checking people. Let's give

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<v Speaker 2>to check for citizenship, identity, and residency. Give them the

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<v Speaker 2>same access that the Secretary of State has. So those

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<v Speaker 2>are three really upfront common sense approaches. I would further

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<v Speaker 2>advocate for a couple areas to reduce the likelihood of

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<v Speaker 2>third party groups. I don't know if you recall this, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>Hamilton County, we had these third party voter engagement organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>And while our administration touts the fact that we've stopped

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<v Speaker 2>that we've stopped nonprofits or for profits from falsely registering people.

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<v Speaker 2>And here in Hamilton they falsely registered canvassers did hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of people last year. Well, they didn't close that issue

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<v Speaker 2>or that loophole. It still exists. So we have to

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<v Speaker 2>closely look at what role, if any voter engagement organizations

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<v Speaker 2>that are paying canvassers should play. Really, there's no reason

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<v Speaker 2>we have online registration at this point. We have a

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<v Speaker 2>number of agencies to register us. Why are we adding risk?

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<v Speaker 2>And then we need to look at instead of having

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight in person voting days, which is a logistical burden,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would commit to working toward what the administration

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<v Speaker 1>With that said, for.

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<v Speaker 2>People who do work and it's untenable for them to

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<v Speaker 2>get to the polling location like they're confined disabled, let's

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<v Speaker 2>say they're poll workers that day. We'll go to an

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<v Speaker 2>exception based mail in ballot system, so having a valid excuse,

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<v Speaker 2>still allowing twenty eight days of early valid excuse mail

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<v Speaker 2>in voting. I think if we paired those two close

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<v Speaker 2>the voter id loophole and we address the ability of

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<v Speaker 2>up front, we would be hitting on all cords and

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<v Speaker 2>all of those are within the realm of four years

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<v Speaker 2>of a Secretary of State who has the will to

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<v Speaker 1>Today and a governor who shares your vision.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, the governor who's pursuing actually enhancing civic education wanting

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<v Speaker 2>to introduce for example, because this governor to be Ramaswami

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to introduce a citizens Service exam for twelfth graders, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I would pair his proposal up by introducing a curriculum

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<v Speaker 2>post election where students can actually participate in a hand

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<v Speaker 2>so that they can have some familiarity with what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the reason we're having so few people participating

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<v Speaker 2>I think we would start to open the minds of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of young people, paired with his policies, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Governor Ramaswami and a Secretary of State

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<v Speaker 2>Marcel Sturbage would work hand in glove to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to enact these changes. And that's where I think we

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I know, granting authority to do business in Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the jobs of Secretary of State. In Ramaswami,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he talks a great game in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>We could be a real powerhouse. What can the Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we would certainly work together. In the Secretary of

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<v Speaker 2>road for business licensing and LLC and corporation. So making

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<v Speaker 2>sure that that process is streamlined, that it's transparent. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>say you're a first time business owner. That could be

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<v Speaker 2>arduous to figure out how to go through the filing.

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<v Speaker 2>So to ensure that there's information system technology we could

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<v Speaker 2>adopt that can allow you to see where your application

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if you're a recurring a business filer or

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<v Speaker 2>you know an attorney that's working for another you tend

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<v Speaker 2>to understand how to navigate it. But what if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a mom and pop right you know now, I will

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<v Speaker 2>say there are some guides on those Secretary of State's

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<v Speaker 2>website that help people with this. But with that said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, following that process and being able to see

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<v Speaker 2>where your application is is an area of improvement that

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<v Speaker 2>I would advocate, and working with a Governor Ramaswami, I

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<v Speaker 2>would be the facilitating point for a lot of those.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we had one hundred thousand business filings so

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<v Speaker 2>far this year and we're on tap to double that,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a critical part. It's not something that I

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<v Speaker 2>business services administration, we'll look for improvements there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful Marcell sturbagefoohio dot coms where you find them, encourage

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<v Speaker 1>you to donate. You're off to a good start in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of campaign finance, and congratulations on that. And my

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<v Speaker 1>next guest someone I know, you know, Jack Windsor. You've

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<v Speaker 1>been on Jack Windsor's Windsor Report quite a few times.

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<v Speaker 2>I have, and he and I helped break open this

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of these stories on where we are in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of citizenship verification. Last year was a big, big

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<v Speaker 2>question as to whether we're on top of that issue.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's endorsed this campaign as well. Oh good, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, like a lot of grassroots and

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<v Speaker 2>other folks that really just want to see change and

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<v Speaker 2>some new vitality in our executive offices are taking a

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<v Speaker 2>strong look and that's why we did raise over two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars in six weeks and that's a great

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<v Speaker 2>start point. I'm blessed, humbled by the support and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to work every single day to win this election.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in May of twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Six, so got a little time, a little bit of time.

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<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't you know, when you're not in the system,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to do double the work. And again, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>motivating and driven to make Ohio better and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>need the position, but I want the position because I

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<v Speaker 2>want the ability to make positive change. That's why I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for appreciate your enthusiasm. RCEL. You and I

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<v Speaker 1>will talk again between now an election. Of course, you're

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<v Speaker 1>always welcome here in the morning show. Good luck my

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<v Speaker 1>friend again starch Ohio dot com. You can learn more

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<v Speaker 1>about his campaign about the man himself coming up a

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<v Speaker 1>good friend and Marcelf Jack Winsor, editor in chief the

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<v Speaker 1>Isle Press Network. Of course, a couple of those property

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<v Speaker 1>tax veto overturns did not go through. We talked earlier

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<v Speaker 1>for Prosperity about the one they did overturn, what of

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<v Speaker 1>the other two and what do we have in store

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<v Speaker 1>for our future with property taxes? Jack Winsor on that

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<v Speaker 1>coming up next eight twenty seven, Right now fifty five KRC,

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