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Speaker 1: From the Christian Research Institute in Charlotte, North Carolina. You

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pre recorded and now here's Bible answer Man host Hank Cantagraph.

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Speaker 2: Thank you much, Randy. Before we go to our callers,

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want to spend just a moment telling you about Jonah

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and the whale answer. The basic question was Jonah swallowed

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by a whale? I remember Bill Maher talking about this

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is that he used to believe in a man being

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swallowed by a whale, and then he graduated the sixth grade.

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How are we to think about these things? The Book

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of Jonah contains this story a prophet named Jonah who

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was preserved three days in three nights in the belly

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of a large fish. And despite skepticism which has led

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many to allegorize this fish story. There are good reasons

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to interpret it as an actual historical account, the first

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of which is this, the details and the descriptions in

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the narrative defy allergorization. The Book of Jonah is written

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in the genre or in the form of the historical narrative.

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The brief mention of the fish does not deter literarily

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from the descriptions of Jonah's journey to Jappa, his payment

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of the fare, his conversations with the sailors during the storm,

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and then his eventual trip to Nineveh. The Christian worldview

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presupposes the miraculous. That's what we start with. The universe

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itself is an effect, and that effect presupposes a cause

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that's equal to or greater than itself. So just as

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the uncaused first cause created the universe, so the uncaused

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first cause is capable of supernaturally intervening or sticking his

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finger in the universe that he has created. Because God

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created the universe ex nihilo, or out of nothing, Preserving

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Jonah in the belly of a fish poses no problem

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whatsoever for a biblical worldview. When we hear of a

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miraculous account of that magnitude, I think it's pretty good

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for us to go out and seek a second opinion.

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And what's great about the story of Jonah. Corroboration is

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provided by no less a second opinion or an authority

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than Jesus Christ. Our Lord not only referred to Jonah's

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preservation for three days and three nights in the belly

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of a fish and talked about it as a miracle,

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but he used it as the basis for prophesying that

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he too would be preserved for three days and three

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nights in the heart of the earth. As such, Jonah's

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marine rescue is a type of Jesus's miraculous resurrection. So

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again we have coroboration from Jesus Christ. He's the one

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who spoke in the universe left into existence, so he

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was at the embryonic state of the greatest miracle of all.

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His opinion counts more than that of skeptics, who in

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modern day society want to explain everything through purely natural phenomenon.

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I think if you have a truly open mind, you

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allow for both natural as well as supernatural explanations for

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that which you encounter as you traverse this world. Well,

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many of you are hanging on We'll go right to

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the phone calls. First up is Bob. He's listening in Fresno, California.

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Hi Bob, Hey, how you doing good?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 4: And my question is that often when you're discussing eschatology,

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you've mentioned that the twelve tribes will have no bearing

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on the end times because the twelve tribes have essentially

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been annihilated.

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Speaker 2: Correctly, Well, I'm not saying the twelve tribes have been

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essentially annihilated. I'm not saying that there's no warrant for

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any genealogical extrapolation. But my point has always been the

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same point, and that is true Israel isn't dependent on

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a genealogy, but rather it is dependent on a relationship

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to Yahweh, the God of Israel. So if you look

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at the Exodus, the Israelites coming out of Egypt, it

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was not just Jews that came out of Egypt. It

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was also Egyptians that came with them out of Egypt.

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And those Egyptians were not counted as second class citizens.

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They were counted as part of true Israel. They were

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brought into all the types and shadows pointing ultimately to

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Jesus Christ. And you see that throughout the Old Testament

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rahab Ruth. You're read it an aster, so it is

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a continuous theme. Now, what I have said is that

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you know, as we all know from a historical perspective,

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when the Assyrians conquered the Northern Kingdom, ten of the

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twelve tribes virtually lost their identity, the reason being that

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many of them were slaughtered, many of them were exiled,

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and those that remained in the land married with people

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that repopulated the land, and they became the Samaritans talked about,

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you know, in the New Testament. And therefore, if you

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look at what Paul is doing in Acts chapter twenty six,

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is he's using an idiomatic expression when he talks about

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the promise of our twelve tribes. He's talking about the

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descendants of Israel or the descendants of Jacob. But it's

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an idiomatic expression that ultimately does refer to the true

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people of God. So the overarching point is God is

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not a racist. He doesn't deal with people on the

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basis of race. Rather, he deals with people on the

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basis of their relationship with Yahweh, the God of Israel.

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I've explicated this many times on the radio, also in

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my book the apocalypse code. Look, God's not a real

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estate broker, he is not a racist, and certainly those

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who are fixated on those things are missing the point.

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And Paul points that out in no uncertain terms in

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Glatians chapter four. If you're still looking to the old Jerusalem,

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which was renamed not the Holy City but the Harlot

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City in the Bible itself, then you're missing the point.

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You're still in bondage like Hagar was. We look to

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the Jerusalem who is above, She is free, and she

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is our mother, says Paul. Back to the phone lines,

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we'll talk to Jason next Wildwood, Texas side Jason, Hi,

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hang the.

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Speaker 5: Question I had had to deal with the camel to

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the eye of the needle, and I heard this toy

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from John Hagey. He said that is a needle was

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a city, and to be able to bring your camel

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into the is of needle, you would have to unpack

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everything and then bring it through on its knee. Does

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that hold true?

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Speaker 2: No, it's absolute nonsense. And this is typical with John Hagey,

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who is a Christian Zionist who constantly perverts the word

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of God and in this case is using anachronistic thinking

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he is rereading the text from a medieval perspective, because

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the truth of the matter is this notion of an

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eye of a needle being a place where a camel

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would stoop and go through a wall, through a camel's gate,

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as it were, is something that was actually concocted in

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medieval times. It was not something that came about at

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the time that Jesus Christ was actually using that particular metaphor.

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So the point here is very clear, and that is

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that Jesus Christ is using a metaphor that points how

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hard it is for someone with riches to enter the

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Kingdom of God, because we can so easily with riches

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become attached to the world as opposed to being attached

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to the Savior.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so it's not impossible for somebody to be wealthy

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because he told me something because it says that godliness

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does not equal gain. But he also said, what would

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it gain you to gain the whole world your soul?

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So the part about taking the market the beast wouldn't

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be that part. You know that galis does not equal gain.

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He correlated that to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course a lot of this is free

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supposition that' said Fault as well. I mean, his whole

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concept of the mark of the Beast is completely off base.

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I've written about that in my book The Apocalypse Code.

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But think about this guy. He says, for example, let

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us put an end to this Christian chatter that all

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the Jews are lost and can't be in the will

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of God until they convert to Christianity. So he takes

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the onus off the Jewish community and places it squarely

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on the Jewish christ And then he says this, if

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Jesus refused, by his words or actions to claim to

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be Messiah to the Jews, then how can the Jews

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be blamed for rejecting what was never offered. In fact,

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I'll go a little bit further with this. He goes

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so as to say that the Jewish people wanted Jesus

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to be their Messiah, but Jesus absolutely refused. So, it

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says Hagey, the Jews were not rejecting Jesus as Messiah.

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It was Jesus who was refusing to be Messiah to

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the Jews. Now, anyone who has read through the Gospels

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even once knows full well that Jesus emphatically contradicted that

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kind of sentiment. Remember his emotionally charged words when he's

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leaving the temple, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who killed the prophets,

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You who stone those sent to you? How often I

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have longed to gather your children together as a hen

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gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.

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My point in bringing this out is that when you

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listen to a man like John Hagey, you better have

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discernment skills, the ability to disc between wheat and chap,

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and heat and light, because he gives you a muddy

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mixture of truth mixed with all kinds of egregious errors.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks, sir, you get it.

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Speaker 2: Who are you right back with more of your questions.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to the phone lines. I

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want to talk to Edward next. He's listening in Canada, Winnipeg, Manitoba.

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Speaker 6: Hi, Edward, Hello, Hank. I really appreciate talking with you.

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I have really come to appreciate their knowledge and wisdom

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and explaining scripture.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 6: I got a question for you in regards to the

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Pentecostal Church. We have been attending it for the last

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four years and maybe a bit better. And there's always

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some things that I'm not used to which I find

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hard to understand, and there's some that throw red flags

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for me. One of them happened this Sunday. They had

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a pamphlet. It has to do with four and five

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year olds and they call it we College, and then

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it says designed to teach the fundamentals of the Pentecostal faith.

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That's a red flag for me because it suggests to

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me that there's a different faith for Pentecostals than there

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is for the rest of us. Then they have things

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like baptized than the Spirit, And there are a number

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of people we know that supposedly have been baptized in

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the Spirit, and yet I don't see their lives any

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different than other Christians. So there's two examples of what

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you have a concern about. And I know you have

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made comments in the past, and I don't recall what

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Speaker 2: Could you found on that a couple of things. First

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of all, if you went to let's say a Calvinist church,

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let's say you went to a PCA church, you would

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have the distinctives of that denomination communicated as well. So

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church saying these are our distinctives as a Pentecostal body,

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this is what we adhere to. In fact, I think

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it's good that they're forthrightly communicating that, and any denomination

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would do that. And you get to remember that denominations

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are separated on the basis of secondary issues. So as

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long as this Pentecostal denomination holds to essential Christian doctrine.

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These are the main and plain things of scripture. You

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can differ with them on the secondary issues. You can

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debate those vigorously, and they could even be wrong on

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those points, but that doesn't mean you have to separate

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from them. I have been very blessed over the years,

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as I mean, one of the great experiences my family

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had when we were living back in Atlanta, Georgia, even

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before became president of the Christian Research Institute, was in

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a Pentecostal church. And one of my favorite pastors to

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this day is doctor Paul Walker, a Mount Parent Church

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of God. He was an incredible man who was brilliant,

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very biblically literate, and I learned a great deal from him,

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and yet I differed with him on his own Pentecostal distinctives.

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And these were things that we debated vigorously, and then

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we went out and played golf together. So we sincerely

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appreciated one another. I am just in awe of his

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biblical literacy and his preaching prowess, and the way in

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which he carried on his life in ministry. So Pentecostalism,

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but to say it's the evidence, I think goes beyond

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the plane reading a scripture. But again, that's a secondary issue.

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It's not something that divides me from my Pentecostal brothers

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and sisters. And therefore I happily set under a Pentecostal

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preacher who is grounded in the essentials of the historic

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Christian faith.

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Speaker 6: That sounds good, Thank you very.

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Speaker 2: Much, my pleasure. I want to go back to the

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phone lines. We'll talk next to David. He's listening in Burlington,

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Speaker 3: Hi, David, Hey, Hey, thank you for taking my call.

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This past Sunday, my pastor noted that now he believes

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Jesus was not the son of God, but was a

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man who experienced divine intervention. And the pastor noted that

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he was recently influenced by a book Marcus Borg, and

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I know he has read the writings of John Christen

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from the Jesus Seminary. Are you familiar with Marcus Bourg,

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because I am not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I am very familiar with the Jesus seminar.

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The founder, Robert Funk, for one, was bent on convincing

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the world that the historical Jesus was not worthy of worship.

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must not be the object of faith. That would be

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to repeat the idolatry of the first believers. And so

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he said. His stated objective was to liberate Jesus, because

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the only Jesus most people know is a mythic Jesus.

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They don't want the real Jesus, he said, they want

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the one they can worship, the cultic Jesus. Now, his

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co founder was John Dominic Crossen and John Downi. Crossen

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took dead aim at the reser direction of Jesus Christ.

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This is what cross And said. Tales of entombment and

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resurrection were latter day wishful thinking. Instead, Jesus's corpse went

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the way of all abandoned criminal's bodies. It was probably

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barely covered with dirt, vulnerable to the wild dogs that

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roamed the wasteland of the execution grounds. So the founders

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of the Jesus Seminar make little attempt to hide their

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disdain for the biblical Jesus. He's denigrated as a peasant

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Jewish cynic, he's demeaned as perhaps the first stand up

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Jewish comic, and the essentials of the historic Christian faith

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in process are utterly demeaned and denigrated. So we should

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recognize that these are people who are not Christian, people

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who demean essential Christian doctrine, and as such, we should

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recognize that they are those that should be countered and

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reached with the Gospel. But they're certainly not communicating the Gospel.

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They're seeking at every turn to undermine the Gospel once

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for all delivered to the Saints.

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Speaker 3: Any advice that she would give in responding to this

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link the church or confront.

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Speaker 2: No, No, absolutely, you want to leave the church and

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you want to find a healthy, well balanced church. But

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I think in the process you want to use this

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as an opportunity because the fact of the matter is,

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you know, the borg all of these people involved in

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the Jesus seminar are seeking to undermine essential Christian doctrine.

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So what should we be doing. We should become so

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familiar with the truth that we're able to take the

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deviations and use them as springboards or opportunity to share

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the fact that God created the universe, that Jesus Christ

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is God, and that the Bible is divine as opposed

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to merely human in origin. So at very least we

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should be able to demonstrate that the resurrection is not

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grounded in mythology, but rather in a refutable historical fact.

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You can build a cumulative case for the resurrection of

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Jesus Christ. We can demonstrate that Jesus Christ suffered fatal torment,

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that the tomb was empty, that he appeared and gave

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convincing proofs that he had risen from the dead, and

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that his appearances utterly transformed scared, scattered disciples into lions

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of the faith. I want to go back to the

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phone lines. Talk next to David listening on Modesta, California.

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Hi David, Hey, good, thank you.

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Speaker 7: I have a question along Pathway. Two years ago, God

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rest for soult and my mom was a strong believer

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in Lord. I'm just wondering, you know, after we die,

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what happens to our spirits.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absent from the body, present with the Lord. So

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your mom, my dad who died in nineteen ninety seven,

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they're absent from the body. They're present with the Lord,

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but they're awaiting something that happens when the Lord appears

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a second time, and that is the resurrection of the body.

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At that time, their souls will return to their bodies.

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Their bodies will rise immortal, imperishable, incorruptible.

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Speaker 7: Now is it bad to want to die to see

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the Lord? I mean not in me, the suicidal attempts,

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because I love living.

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Speaker 5: God knows that.

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Speaker 7: But so many people fear dead. But I can't wait

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for it to come, even though I know I'm still

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here on earth for a reason. Is it bad to

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Speaker 2: Well, let me give you a personal anecdote. Is something

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that happened with my father, who died of the farbrosiing

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and the lungs which encroached upon his ability to assimilate oxygen.

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day by day and it became very difficult for him

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to process even little bits of oxygen. And it was

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a suffocating, very tormenting kind of a death. And I

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remember watching my dad as he was slowly dying, and

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I said to my dad one day, wouldn't you just

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rather go home and be with the Lord, Because I

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wanted to know what my dad was thinking. About this,

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and I saw his eyes light up and he said, no,

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every day the Lord gives me. Every moment is precious,

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and I want to use it for his glory. And

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I never understood that until the very moment that my

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dad died. I was there and my dad, like a

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Jewish patriarch, lay on his bed. He prayed for every

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one of his children, every one of his grandchildren, and

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when he got to the last one of them, he

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took a final breath and died. And I thought, what

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an incredible story about how every moment is precious because

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on the last breath he had prayed for his last

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great grandchild. What an incredible testimony to the grace of

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God in using every moment in a productive way for

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his glory and for the extension of his kingdom. God

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has left you here, David, for a purpose. Use the time.

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Don't just mark the time, but make a difference. While

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there is yet time. You can be used for God's

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greater glory in the lives of people than for the

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working out of His kingdom while you are left in

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this world, and then there will be eternal rewards. Behold,

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I'm coming soon, Jesus said, blessed is he who occupies right.

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Blessed are those who are doing the will of the

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Father while they are yet on this earth. Thanks for

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tuning in. We'll look forward to seeing you right here

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