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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big Blue and Sadderday. Gabriel with you

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<v Speaker 1>on a Thursday edition of our program, and coming up tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Cruz, longtime morning drive host at WHS Radio. We

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<v Speaker 1>used to call them DJ's disc jockeys, but of course

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<v Speaker 1>they don't play records anymore, at least most of them

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<v Speaker 1>don't on AM radio. But anyhow, Tony has been the

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<v Speaker 1>guy in the chair for more than twenty years at AHS,

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<v Speaker 1>but prior to that, he hosted sports talk radio on

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<v Speaker 1>HAS was part of the UK Network coverage of UK

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<v Speaker 1>Sports for a while, and was prior to that EKU

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<v Speaker 1>Network coverage of Colonel Sports. He went to EKU. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get caught up with Tony, who just retired, and

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<v Speaker 1>he will join us from Montana where he and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife are doing some traveling and good for them. Our

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<v Speaker 1>number two, Jeff Picoro's going to join us here in

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<v Speaker 1>the garage. There's so much to talk about, the Vince

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<v Speaker 1>Merrill move, the upcoming football season. Jeff, of course part

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<v Speaker 1>of the UK Radio Network but also sports director of WTVQ,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's a lot to discuss horse racing, so that

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<v Speaker 1>comes up here in our number two. We begin tonight

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<v Speaker 1>with the comment for Mark Stoops. Regarding Vince Merrow, Stoops

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<v Speaker 1>has been out of pocket for the last twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>to forty eight hours since Marrow the news slipped out

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<v Speaker 1>that he was going to Louisville, So a prepared statement

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<v Speaker 1>for Mark Stoops, We're thankful for coach Merrow's contributions to

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<v Speaker 1>our program over the past twelve years. As we look

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<v Speaker 1>to the new season and a new era of college football,

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<v Speaker 1>we're focused on the opportunities at hand. Will continue to

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<v Speaker 1>build a roster and staff that balances talent and experienced, maturity, physicality,

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<v Speaker 1>and the attitude it takes to win in the nation's

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<v Speaker 1>most competitive conference. I wish my friend in colleague nothing

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<v Speaker 1>but the best. Yeah. Kind of a cookie cutter, rubber

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<v Speaker 1>stamp sort of answer, but that's what you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get in a situation like this. He's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>lash out, he's not going to show that he's angry

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<v Speaker 1>if he is. You know, they're at the bottom line

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<v Speaker 1>is there's still childhood bodies and they're I'm sure more

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<v Speaker 1>than went into this than just Vince Merrill finally saying

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna grab a better gig, even though it's at

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<v Speaker 1>the arch rival. So Mark Stoops has spoken and he

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<v Speaker 1>will be asked a lot about this at SEC media days.

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<v Speaker 1>You better believe it, and that like the season is

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<v Speaker 1>coming up sooner than later. Right down the road, UK,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, in the acc SEC Challenge draws North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you think about UK and North Carolina of late,

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<v Speaker 1>my mind immediately goes to Anthony Davis blocking that shot

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twelve to shut down to Tario's in one

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<v Speaker 1>of the great games that year, maybe the best regular

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<v Speaker 1>season game. Or Kentucky, but remember they played in December

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty fourteen, that team, the Kentucky team that had

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<v Speaker 1>designs on going undefeated. They walloped North Carolina eighty four

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<v Speaker 1>to seventy. Kentucky up forty nine thirty four at the half.

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<v Speaker 1>And get this, Karl Anthony Towns in that game, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember why played only nineteen minutes. I know

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<v Speaker 1>that was the Platoon season, but I would have thought

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<v Speaker 1>he'd played more than nineteen. Willie colly Stein played twenty eight. Towns,

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<v Speaker 1>did not attempt a field goal, had two free throws,

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<v Speaker 1>two rebounds. Just those two points bought the shot. But

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<v Speaker 1>Willie caley Stein had fifteen so did. Devin Booker was

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<v Speaker 1>five of eight, three for three from beyond the arc. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>he gave us a sneak preview of what would come

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<v Speaker 1>in the NBA. The Harrison Twins combined for twenty five points,

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<v Speaker 1>five assists by Andrew the point guard Andrew or Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>was three of seven from beyond the arc, and Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>hit twenty seven of forty eight shots. Just thumped North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina back then. You know what happened after that. Wildcat's

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<v Speaker 1>going to make the Final four but lose to Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 1>We will never forget that one, will we. But we

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<v Speaker 1>will also never forget the North Carolina Kentucky game back

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<v Speaker 1>in December of twenty eleven, actually the twenty eleven twelve season,

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<v Speaker 1>the national title season in Kentucky. On that one, seventy

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<v Speaker 1>three to seventy two, Wildcats were ranked number one, Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>was ranked number five, and it was in doubt until

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<v Speaker 1>literally the last five seconds. And remember I went back

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<v Speaker 1>and watched the highlights on YouTube of the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the game, and I had forgotten this that Anthony Davis

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<v Speaker 1>made a great catch. I think it was from Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Kidd Gilchris a pass and because Clark Kellogg raved about

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<v Speaker 1>the catch that Davis made. Then he drops in a

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<v Speaker 1>jump hook. Kentucky was down a point. Davis gave Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>the lead and everybody runs down the floor. North Carolina

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<v Speaker 1>does not call time out. They work it into the

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<v Speaker 1>middle and they get deep into the paint to Tyler Zeller,

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<v Speaker 1>but somebody tipped the ball away from him. He recovered

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<v Speaker 1>and some of them managed to get the ball off

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<v Speaker 1>on the baseline of John Henson, who went up for

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<v Speaker 1>what would have been the game winning shot. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course Anthony Davis said other ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall Pete Seller down low, loses the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Picked up by handsome tenth butter blood by Davis.

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<v Speaker 3>Davis is getting the ball four seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>To play off the team.

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<v Speaker 2>He tribbles up to me in port tack.

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<v Speaker 4>What's over. Kentucky wins by one.

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<v Speaker 2>Aynstony Davis saved the day with the blood on Henson.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's our man Tom Leach on the call on

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<v Speaker 1>the UK network. So that's the North Carolina Kentucky game

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<v Speaker 1>that comes to mind. But again Wildcats walloped the Tarios

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<v Speaker 1>back in the regular season of fourteen to fifty. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>they played in the postseason as well, Kentucky beating North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina thanks to Josh Harrelson in that group, but also

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<v Speaker 1>and Fox spam at a bioteam losing a game that

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<v Speaker 1>would have put the Wildcats in the Final four. And

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<v Speaker 1>I still believe if Kentucky wins that game, for better

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<v Speaker 1>or worse, John Caliperry's probably still here. While we're talking basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>The other day, I told you about the rule changes

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<v Speaker 1>that might be on the way, mostly about video review

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that, in the same report, and I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see this earlier. It really wasn't brought up until

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<v Speaker 1>really recently, the last twenty four hours. Within that same

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<v Speaker 1>report comes information that college basketball D one basketball men's

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<v Speaker 1>basketball is seriously looking out going to quarters. They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to put a committee together or something like that so

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<v Speaker 1>they'll take forever. But why they haven't done this. Men's

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<v Speaker 1>college basketball is the only form in the sport that

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<v Speaker 1>still plays twenty minute halves. It's ridiculous. And if they'd

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<v Speaker 1>only go to quarters the way they do everywhere else

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<v Speaker 1>in the world. You talk about a better flow of

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<v Speaker 1>the game, fewer free throws, that's what will happen. Bacers

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<v Speaker 1>meet the Thunder last night SGA in company down two

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<v Speaker 1>to one now in the NBA Finals. We're back in

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<v Speaker 1>just a minute on the Big Blue Sider. More from

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<v Speaker 1>otega Oway on the other side of the break here

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<v Speaker 1>on six thirty WLAP. Welcome back to the Big Bloon Sider.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up at the bottom of the hour, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk with Tony Cruz, former sportscaster on the UK

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<v Speaker 1>and that worked with a longtime morning drive voice at

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<v Speaker 1>our sister station, WHS. He is just now retired, so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about how sports kind of evolved because he

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<v Speaker 1>morning drive radio. Then in hour number two, Jeff Bicoro

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<v Speaker 1>with the UK Network will join us right here in

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<v Speaker 1>the garage. So much to talk about with Jeff that

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<v Speaker 1>him face to face. So that's coming up a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit later on. Of course, coming up tomorrow night is

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<v Speaker 1>the College World Series minus the Wildcats. They fell short

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<v Speaker 1>in the regional as you know, and while that is disappointing,

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<v Speaker 1>keep in mind no team from last year's College World

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<v Speaker 1>Series field has returned to Omaha this year. That's pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the really interesting storylines in the world. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's always great storylines, of course, not the least of

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<v Speaker 1>which is Murray State, the number four seed from a regional,

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<v Speaker 1>makes it to the tournament for just the fourth time

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<v Speaker 1>since the current format was established in nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Now entering this season, a mid major has reached Omaha

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<v Speaker 1>and won it all every eight years across two cycles

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the COVID year twenty twenty. But you got Fresno

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<v Speaker 1>State in twenty oh eight, Coastal Carolina in twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>so it can't happen. Other four seeds Oral Roberts in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, lost in the second round, did win

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<v Speaker 1>a game, but lost in the second round. Stonybrook in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve lost both games, but I remember, and Stonybrook

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<v Speaker 1>made it. I was amazed then. Of course, back in

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<v Speaker 1>eight Fresno State won it all, had to come out

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<v Speaker 1>of the losers bracket, but won it all. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>any team at any time can jump up and win.

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<v Speaker 1>And keep this in mind. Two of the national seeds,

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<v Speaker 1>the top national seeds, because look at the draw, they

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<v Speaker 1>face off in the opening round, Arkansas and LSU. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, the only two SEC teams last year,

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<v Speaker 1>half the field, four of the eight were from the SEC,

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<v Speaker 1>the other four were for the ACC. This year, two

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<v Speaker 1>Southeastern Conference teams and they square off Saturday night at

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<v Speaker 1>seven o'clock. They have played three times this year. LSU

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<v Speaker 1>won twice, both in Baton Ruge. That series was in

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<v Speaker 1>Baton Rouge. So that's gonna be one heck of a game.

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<v Speaker 1>That game will feature eleven all conference players, including the

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<v Speaker 1>SEC player of the year, Razorbacks junior shortstop. Well he

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<v Speaker 1>will alloy amazing. So there's gonna be a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>purple and gold and a lot of cardinal and white

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<v Speaker 1>at Charles Schwab Stadium. But yeah, only two SEC teams

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<v Speaker 1>this year, pretty amazing. PAC twelve is dead, but three

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<v Speaker 1>former PAC twelve teams have reached Omah, Arizona, Oregon State,

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<v Speaker 1>and UCLA. And you remember Oregon State came to election

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<v Speaker 1>and last year different team, you know, new personnel, and

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky beat Oregon State in two games to make the

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<v Speaker 1>College World Series. But it's amazing to me Tennessee, the

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<v Speaker 1>defending national champ, losing to Arkansas, and in fact Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>won the Super Regional two nothing A and M national

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<v Speaker 1>runner up last year preseason picked to win it all,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make the tournament. Virginia went to the College World

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<v Speaker 1>Series last year, didn't make the tournament. Florida slipped in

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<v Speaker 1>to the College World Series last year, was slipped into

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<v Speaker 1>the nca Tournament. Really then won its way to Omaha,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't slip in, but lost at Coastal Carolina. North

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina lost in the Supers to Arizona, NC State, which

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky beat in its opening game of the two home

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<v Speaker 1>runs late one on the ninth, one tenth lost to

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<v Speaker 1>Auburn in a regional. So just an incredible turnaround in

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<v Speaker 1>college baseball. And if you're not all that interested, I

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<v Speaker 1>can understand because the Wildcats aren't there, but take a

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<v Speaker 1>peek at it. It's really compelling. It's a fun watch,

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<v Speaker 1>even if your team is not in it all. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned earlier otego Oway. We had a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>talk with him earlier this week, So everybody has been

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<v Speaker 1>kind of turning a lot of Otago Away and Brandon

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<v Speaker 1>Gave us something to talk about, something additional to talk

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<v Speaker 1>Away coming back from NBA tryouts essentially, and no shock

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<v Speaker 1>that he came back to Kentucky because well, for one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to make more money this year reportedly than

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<v Speaker 1>round choice in the NBA draft, So it makes more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But now he's armed with that knowledge, he knows what

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<v Speaker 1>of college basketball. I asked him, though, if when it

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, not at all, because I still could have gone,

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<v Speaker 5>complete last year, which was you know, win national championship.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, and that, to me is the perfect answer. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he puts some thought into it, obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>and he's right, you know, it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>And so Tagan called me and he said, coach, let's

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<v Speaker 2>And I was looking around him like I think the

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<v Speaker 4>So I was like, oh, take.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you back later, but just hold that on.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifteen minutes later, called him back.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, come back tears.

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<v Speaker 5>Who was talking about face?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Pope said he was on a plane and somehow

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<v Speaker 1>the call got through from old way and then he

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<v Speaker 1>tears began to flow. And this is what Otega remembered

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<v Speaker 5>Because I mean, honest, like I want to say, like

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<v Speaker 5>three days before, maybe two days, I already knew what

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<v Speaker 5>work out, you know, to tell him, but you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it was great just finally get off my chest and

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<v Speaker 5>then you know, just having that moment with him, talking

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<v Speaker 1>And what's not to be excited about. Otaga Oway was

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<v Speaker 1>expected to be a good player for Kentucky last year,

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<v Speaker 1>but when Jackson Robinson went down, he had to become

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<v Speaker 1>a great player for Kentucky, and at times he was.

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<v Speaker 1>There were times when he was a little inconsistent or

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<v Speaker 1>drifted a little bit. Remember the Oklahoma game. He was

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<v Speaker 1>but well in the second half, especially in those last

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<v Speaker 1>that game. So now can he sustain that. Maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>that level of play that he showed in the last

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<v Speaker 1>five or ten minutes of the Ou game, That would

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<v Speaker 1>be almost impossible, But to attempt to reach that level

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<v Speaker 1>is what he needs to do. But apparently he is

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<v Speaker 1>happy enough to come back and try it. And as

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<v Speaker 1>he said when he was talking to Pope, it's all

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<v Speaker 1>about the happiness.

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<v Speaker 5>You're just going to be it is. Yeah, left Bebia.

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<v Speaker 5>It's me too. Actually, no place I'd rather be.

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<v Speaker 1>And there you have it. And that's the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>attitude that Pope of course is recruiting out there when

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<v Speaker 1>he's pulling guys in through the portal, and obviously true

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<v Speaker 1>freshmen as well. But when your bring a guy in

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<v Speaker 1>through the portal, it can't be just transactional. And you

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<v Speaker 1>can really say this about any school, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>especially here, because of the high expectations and the outside

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<v Speaker 1>pressures on Kentucky basketball players, they've got to really want

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<v Speaker 1>to be here. They've got to be willing to accept

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure, the criticism, not just the adulation. But everybody

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<v Speaker 1>he brought in last year to a person to a man,

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<v Speaker 1>talked to us in the media in August and at

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<v Speaker 1>every juncture after that about how much they appreciated being here,

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where Kobe Brayle, when the season was over,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what he needs in every person he brings in

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<v Speaker 1>here through the portal, And if you're a true freshman,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of feeling is cultivated if you stay here

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<v Speaker 1>for two or three or four years. Yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>Travis Perry. You know what, maybe we'll see him again someday.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you'll play a couple of years at ole Miss

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<v Speaker 1>and decide if he can still do it. Maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>rules will change, but you know, maybe he can jump

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<v Speaker 1>back into portal play his final year here. Who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>But the bottom line is it's got to be people

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<v Speaker 1>that is there's no place I'd rather be. We're back

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<v Speaker 1>in the minute with Tony Cruz, the Cruise Man here

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<v Speaker 1>on six thirty WLAP. Welcome back to the Big Moon.

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<v Speaker 1>Sider joining us now is a longtime buddy of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>You might remember him as a member at times of

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<v Speaker 1>the UK radio network, the EKU Radio Network, most recently

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<v Speaker 1>the morning drive announcer for WHS Radio for many many

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<v Speaker 1>years now retired, The Cruise Man, Tony Cruz, my good

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<v Speaker 1>friend who's actually on vacation right now with his wife

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<v Speaker 1>up in Montana. And good for you. Are you relaxing,

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<v Speaker 1>big man? Are you able to not look at the

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<v Speaker 1>clock all the time?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm forgetting you know what day it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Good?

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, anybody that listened to anybody in my audience

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<v Speaker 3>would say, you've forgot a lot of stuff. Kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I just man, I remember meeting you and

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<v Speaker 1>I think you were you might have been neither still

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<v Speaker 1>in school at w A N E. KU. You're a

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I was my sophomore year when I was just

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about getting into radio and well, I know, I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of started getting entrenched into it, and I met

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<v Speaker 3>you at the press box and I was like, that's

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<v Speaker 3>stick Gabriel and everything, and you were just so nice

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<v Speaker 3>to me, and then you just started talking to me,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you know, you're just a kind of mentor.

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<v Speaker 3>You and Greg schallamyre two of my mentors during that time,

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<v Speaker 1>And Scott's is still going strong on the Colonel. Isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that amazing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's awesome, great guy. We got we got some

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<v Speaker 3>tut tut coming around here pretty soon. Our annual event

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<v Speaker 3>I worked with Greg.

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<v Speaker 1>We alternated on the Sweet sixteen this year on the radio,

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<v Speaker 1>and which I so thoroughly enjoyed because I hadn't done

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<v Speaker 1>it in so long, and man, his level of preparation

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<v Speaker 1>is off the charts. But I digress. We're talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Cruz, who for how many years were you Morning

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<v Speaker 1>Drive at.

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<v Speaker 3>Has twenty one year.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And prior to that, one year.

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<v Speaker 1>Prior to that, Tony of course hosted a sports talk

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<v Speaker 1>show which is no longer in existence. I hate to

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<v Speaker 1>say on WHS started I think by Van Vance, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct, Van Vance started that show. It became super

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<v Speaker 3>uber popular back there in the day. And of course

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<v Speaker 3>Van and Kwood two great legends that I got to know.

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<v Speaker 3>And Van is not only a sports guy, but I

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<v Speaker 3>mean he plays classical guitar. I won't give you his age,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's still walks twice a day around park in

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<v Speaker 3>southern Indiana and rides a bike. And the only time

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<v Speaker 3>he won't do that is if there's ice and or lightning.

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<v Speaker 3>Good every day, so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Were exposed to and Kaywood worked at WHS for the

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<v Speaker 1>longest time before he moved to Lectioningon and worked with

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<v Speaker 1>gym hosts. But just the fact that it's such a

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<v Speaker 1>great radio station, fifty thousand. Watson for the longest time

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<v Speaker 1>was the sports voice in Louisville, and really because of

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<v Speaker 1>its power in central Kentucky had both UK and U

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<v Speaker 1>of L games. And here you are doing the sports

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<v Speaker 1>talk show. How much has the landscape if at all

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<v Speaker 1>changed with UK and U of L sports since you

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<v Speaker 1>did sports talk, and really, how did it change while

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<v Speaker 1>you were doing it?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, when I started sports talk it was ninety four,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe somewhere between ninety four and ninety five, the little

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<v Speaker 3>thing called AOL was starting to come around, and soon

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<v Speaker 3>after that we're about to see it even explode more

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<v Speaker 3>with AI about probably a year or two later, all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, you know, we would do these recruiting

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<v Speaker 3>shows which were very popular for our audiences, the UK

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<v Speaker 3>or U of L, whatever the case may be in

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<v Speaker 3>Indiana and our case at HF. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 3>we had competitions. You know, we couldn't just have Clark

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<v Speaker 3>Francis on or somebody else from all these different guys

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<v Speaker 3>that would go out. You started seeing a real quick,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, convergence of these different sites. So then you

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<v Speaker 3>had to kind of change your game right about the

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<v Speaker 3>way you go about doing your show. And it became

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<v Speaker 3>a lot harder to you know, try and make it

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<v Speaker 3>interesting because everybody was always interested in recruiting. It still

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<v Speaker 3>are now, you know, payoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>And il but draft no, as you said, thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>the interweb, it's immediate, you know, we're playing from behind

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<v Speaker 1>on this show, on your show, I mean, unless something

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<v Speaker 1>breaks while we're on the air. Yeah. And the hard

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<v Speaker 1>thing too, Tony, is you remember and it was just starting,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said when you were doing sports talk, was

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<v Speaker 1>there's no accountability. So even though something might be on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet, you can't trust that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true, right, right. And it was interesting also because

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes you got to trust of some coaches or even

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<v Speaker 3>athletic directors, whatever the case may be. I did not tell.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I didn't have to beat somebody to a story,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, or anything else. But sometimes you would find

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<v Speaker 3>out things that you didn't want to hear, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that were coming. Maybe somebody's going to be dismissed or

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that, right, and you know there's those

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<v Speaker 3>moments where you could break that, but I didn't want

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<v Speaker 3>to break her lifelationship, right, So you know, I just

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<v Speaker 3>didn't you know, a show and tell all the time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't think it was right. I understand that it's

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<v Speaker 3>not right to the family that are you know, about

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<v Speaker 3>to be exposed to this, particularly they're going to be dismissed,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, their husband's going to be dismissed or in

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<v Speaker 3>women coach, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>You referred to UK, U of L and Indiana. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I always I always respected you guys. All you

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<v Speaker 1>got TV and radio in Louisville because you're serving so

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<v Speaker 1>many different audiences, both high school and college. But the

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<v Speaker 1>emotional ties that fans have. I don't know how many

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<v Speaker 1>IU fans tuned into your show, but I know UK

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<v Speaker 1>fans and U of L fans it was almost an

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<v Speaker 1>even split. For the longest time, there were more UK

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<v Speaker 1>as Denny Crumb started to have success, the level of

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty, I would think in terms of the temperature

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<v Speaker 1>of the room. But what was that like for you?

422
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<v Speaker 1>First of all, you had to keep up because you

423
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<v Speaker 1>would call me all the time. You had to keep

424
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<v Speaker 1>up yet well, which was smart. Not that I'm any smarter,

425
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<v Speaker 1>but I'm sure I wasn't the only guy you called.

426
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<v Speaker 1>But you gotta know what's going on, what's happening, and

427
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<v Speaker 1>you got to, as I said, read the room and

428
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<v Speaker 1>know how to talk to the fans. What kind of

429
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<v Speaker 1>challenge is that like for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Big challenge because when I started, even though we had

431
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<v Speaker 3>both universities on, Louisville took a preference, if you want to,

432
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<v Speaker 3>because I guess we made the most money on that

433
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<v Speaker 3>or whatever the case may be, and then UK would

434
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<v Speaker 3>be on one of our sister stations or something like that.

435
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<v Speaker 3>The UK came in with a big offer and they

436
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<v Speaker 3>became you know, the BBN thing, and then Louisville fans

437
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<v Speaker 3>got mad, and then we converted a radio station dedicated

438
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<v Speaker 3>to U of L sports. But what I did was,

439
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<v Speaker 3>you know, Van, I suppose I think he called you,

440
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<v Speaker 3>and he called some maybe Tom or at that time,

441
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<v Speaker 3>Ralph Hacker or something. But there was wasn't as big

442
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<v Speaker 3>a presence of the UK as there was U of

443
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<v Speaker 3>L at that time, and Bob Knight was such a

444
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<v Speaker 3>dynamite stick that you know, there's a lot of shows, yeah,

445
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<v Speaker 3>with the Van with the Southern Indiana audience. So what

446
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<v Speaker 3>I tried to do is try to split it as

447
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<v Speaker 3>much as I could. And I got known as a

448
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<v Speaker 3>big UK fan by U of L fans or charged

449
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<v Speaker 3>with that from the standpoint because I started doing a

450
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<v Speaker 3>little bit more UK shows, like I could have dig

451
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<v Speaker 3>gaber Lawn now or do that. I just wanted and

452
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<v Speaker 3>you know, I would take some heat from some U

453
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<v Speaker 3>of L people and I go, look, my job is

454
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<v Speaker 3>to get the biggest audience possible and there's not just

455
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<v Speaker 3>one team, and you know this isn't just a one

456
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<v Speaker 3>team city. So that's why I did it. And let's

457
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<v Speaker 3>be honest. What do you do more than follow your

458
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<v Speaker 3>own team? You follow who you think are put in

459
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<v Speaker 3>an air quotes your enemy, you know what I mean.

460
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<v Speaker 3>That's why we watched The Godfather. We're not going to

461
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<v Speaker 3>be we're not going to be in the mafia, but

462
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<v Speaker 3>there's something intriguing about something even though we would never

463
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<v Speaker 3>do any of these things. And it's the same thing

464
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<v Speaker 3>with sports. Sports fans, I think.

465
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but trying to understand sports fans quite the challenge,

466
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<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

467
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

468
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<v Speaker 3>What I did find though, is when you just you know,

469
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<v Speaker 3>talk to the players, there's guys wearing T shirts. A

470
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<v Speaker 3>lot of times they didn't know anything about Kentucky or

471
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<v Speaker 3>anything about Louisville or whatever the case may be. You

472
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<v Speaker 3>start meeting a friend of theirs and certainly family members

473
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<v Speaker 3>and things like that. So when I told people, yeah,

474
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<v Speaker 3>I'm really a U of l UK or uk U

475
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<v Speaker 3>L fan, however you want to, you know, displace it.

476
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<v Speaker 3>They go. You can't be well, it's kind of like

477
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<v Speaker 3>in your line of work. If you're a salesman, you

478
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<v Speaker 3>know you're going to sell your car to anybody. You

479
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<v Speaker 3>didn't care if they were UK fan or U of

480
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<v Speaker 3>L fan. If you're on the lot trying to sell

481
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<v Speaker 3>a car. You know, I'm not saying that these people

482
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<v Speaker 3>are tokens. I'm saying they're party of your job. Yeah

483
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<v Speaker 3>you know, yeah, oh yeah, I just made it like that.

484
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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you. We're talking to Tony Cruz, longtime morning

485
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<v Speaker 1>drive announcer, but also prior to that, sports talk host

486
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<v Speaker 1>and at times a member of the UK Network the

487
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<v Speaker 1>EKAU Network. He is now retired and we are We'll

488
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<v Speaker 1>take a break, come back and talk more with a

489
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<v Speaker 1>Cruise man on the other side of the break here

490
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<v Speaker 1>on six thirty WLAP. Welcome back. We're talking with Tony Cruise,

491
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<v Speaker 1>my buddy, a long time morning drive host for WHAS Radio.

492
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<v Speaker 1>Prior to that sports talk host at has has worked

493
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<v Speaker 1>for the UK Network, the EKAU Network. A proud EKU colonel.

494
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<v Speaker 1>We call each other big Man. That is uh I

495
00:27:48.640 --> 00:27:51.519
<v Speaker 1>don't know if homage is the right term, but that's

496
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<v Speaker 1>a reference to Claude Bassett who called everybody big man

497
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<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure he couldn't remember their names. But it's

498
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<v Speaker 1>just it's just a real blast from the past, asked.

499
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<v Speaker 1>But it also kind of underscores Tony what we have

500
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<v Speaker 1>seen through the years with coaches coming and going, and

501
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:09.799
<v Speaker 1>and you know, programs being up and down. I remember

502
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:14.039
<v Speaker 1>when when uh Rick Patino got the Louisville and people saying,

503
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<v Speaker 1>we're never gonna beat Louisville again, and Tuffy Smith beat

504
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:19.880
<v Speaker 1>him five straight and then for a while there, Kentucky

505
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.880
<v Speaker 1>couldn't beat Louisville in football for lover money. And then

506
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<v Speaker 1>the next thing, you know, Louisville couldn't beat Kentucky and football.

507
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<v Speaker 1>So if you hang around long enough, you see it all,

508
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<v Speaker 1>don't you.

509
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And that's why they call him rivalries. You know,

510
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:38.119
<v Speaker 3>when Patino came, Terry Miners and I were for it,

511
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:41.880
<v Speaker 3>and for you Wildcat fans, I totally understand why you

512
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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't want Patino to come, because, let's face it, the

513
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<v Speaker 3>one thing he was was a great coach. It is

514
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<v Speaker 3>a great coach. He proved it again this year and

515
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<v Speaker 3>so uh. But when you're in a market and you know,

516
00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:02.119
<v Speaker 3>great things with great people and winning uh means great ratings,

517
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:06.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, and income for the radio station uh and

518
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:08.559
<v Speaker 3>and that kind of thing, then you know you want

519
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.720
<v Speaker 3>you want that to happen. Well, of course we took

520
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 3>a lot of guss for that, and understandably So, However,

521
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<v Speaker 3>if you were in our positions and Patino could come

522
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<v Speaker 3>to your city, or in your case, let's say that

523
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.960
<v Speaker 3>Nick Saban could go to Lexington. You know Offens coach

524
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:29.079
<v Speaker 3>studis right now with turmoil, what's going on. But would

525
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<v Speaker 3>you take him? Of course you would? Would you be

526
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:33.839
<v Speaker 3>would you be a lightning rod? Would it be all

527
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:36.240
<v Speaker 3>around the country that Nick Saban is going to be

528
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<v Speaker 3>the coach at the University of Kentucky. Just look like

529
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:42.440
<v Speaker 3>Bill Belichick is doing it North Carolina and you know

530
00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:44.559
<v Speaker 3>they've been a nothing burger. You've got to heard more

531
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.079
<v Speaker 3>about North Carolina football than what you're hearing right now.

532
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<v Speaker 3>So why wouldn't we want Rick Pettino to come to

533
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<v Speaker 3>the city where we're making our living.

534
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<v Speaker 1>No, I get that. And my take on that finally was, Look,

535
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<v Speaker 1>Rick Pattino could have taking a lot in fact, he

536
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<v Speaker 1>took the Michigan job for two hours, right, could have

537
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<v Speaker 1>gone to a lot of places. He wanted to be

538
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:08.319
<v Speaker 1>like you and me, And you know you weren't born here,

539
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.759
<v Speaker 1>but you are Tony Cruz a Kentucky and by now

540
00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:15.079
<v Speaker 1>I am by birth. And you know he he wanted

541
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<v Speaker 1>to live in our state, in our great state, and

542
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:22.279
<v Speaker 1>live in Louisville because he had obviously the job opportunity,

543
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Speaker 1>but he had interest in horses and things like that,

544
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>and again did not come directly from UK. Now, Vince Marrow,

545
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>that's a different story. And I'm sure that ripple has

546
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>reached you in Montana, hasn't it.

547
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:38.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I don't say keeping up. I don't say

548
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 3>using Twitter slash x is keeping up. But it's but

549
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:46.119
<v Speaker 3>it's you know, it's a show it Yeah, no doubt

550
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<v Speaker 3>about it. Oh man, Yeah, yeah, that just seems it

551
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 3>seems a bit odd. But I didn't know that Jeff

552
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<v Speaker 3>Bram had the relationship with them.

553
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. Yeah, I didn't either, But then we should

554
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<v Speaker 1>have known him because everybody seen playing the XFL or

555
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 1>the USFL of the World League or something. But Vince

556
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:06.759
<v Speaker 1>was a pretty Vince played in the NFL I don't

557
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>know how long. But and he won't hesitate to tell

558
00:31:10.480 --> 00:31:14.759
<v Speaker 1>you he was a great basketball player too. But again,

559
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:17.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a sign of the times. He's going to

560
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<v Speaker 1>be the GM and oversee the NIL operations. I mean,

561
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<v Speaker 1>you know, since you gave up sports talk to move

562
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:28.400
<v Speaker 1>in the morning drive, you know, the changes in sports

563
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 1>have been just staggering at times, haven't they.

564
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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, And you know I'm not one of

565
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<v Speaker 3>those guys. I was one of those guys back in

566
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 3>the day and people were just you know, crowing at

567
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<v Speaker 3>me for saying, I think the athletes should be paid.

568
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<v Speaker 3>If you can pay him, I don't have a problem

569
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<v Speaker 3>with it. Yeah, you know, back my whole reasoning was that,

570
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<v Speaker 3>you know, a guy that the music major can still give,

571
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<v Speaker 3>you know, tuba lessons or drum lessons or whatever as

572
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<v Speaker 3>a part time job, MAYUK seventy five bucks every half hour.

573
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<v Speaker 3>Why can't student athletes have an opportunity to do that.

574
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<v Speaker 3>Of course, I had no idea that we were going

575
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<v Speaker 3>to make them pro athletes, not to make pro if

576
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:15.400
<v Speaker 3>they're pro athletes. And now the NCAA needs to go

577
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:20.039
<v Speaker 3>ahead and put a little letter there L in CAA

578
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 3>league and we get salary caps and we make it work.

579
00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I don't think, with all due respect to Big ten

580
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:32.960
<v Speaker 3>and the SEC with the most viewership are going to

581
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:35.079
<v Speaker 3>allow that to happen. But I also think that the

582
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.480
<v Speaker 3>well can dry up for what they think too, because

583
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<v Speaker 3>at some point, if you're only going to have forty

584
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<v Speaker 3>teams that can actually play for a championship for fifty

585
00:32:43.720 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 3>teams and it's still going to be the same seven

586
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.039
<v Speaker 3>or eight decade after decade after decade after decades, guess what,

587
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.920
<v Speaker 3>audience ratings still get bored and they'll lose them. That's right,

588
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 3>just as soon as they game.

589
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<v Speaker 1>But if it takes twenty thirty forty years, decade after decade, literally,

590
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, a lot of us aren't going to be

591
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<v Speaker 1>around for that. But yeah, I fully agree with you,

592
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<v Speaker 1>But Tony, I think it had happened within three or

593
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<v Speaker 1>four five years. I really do. I mean audience fatigue

594
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 1>for the same old teams. That's what's compelling about the

595
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:17.480
<v Speaker 1>College World Series this year, an entirely different field of

596
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 1>eight for the first time since nineteen fifty seven. I

597
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>know you cannot have a level playing field, but things

598
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.960
<v Speaker 1>need at least to be equitable, and you know, That's

599
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<v Speaker 1>why one of the things I don't agree with everything

600
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<v Speaker 1>Mitch Barnhard does and says, but I like the fact

601
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<v Speaker 1>that when he got here he said, I want all

602
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<v Speaker 1>the athletes on all of our teams to at least

603
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<v Speaker 1>have a chance to compete for a championship. That's all.

604
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<v Speaker 1>I didn't expect every Yeah, right.

605
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<v Speaker 3>He did a marvelous job with it. He put it

606
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<v Speaker 3>in and I'll say that for Tom Juris as well.

607
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<v Speaker 3>Look what women's basketball dance, right, You know the Tenants

608
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:57.559
<v Speaker 3>was up to a high, high level back then. You

609
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<v Speaker 3>know they've had some good golf team facility UK team

610
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<v Speaker 3>Look at UKs track and field, u L swimming. I mean,

611
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<v Speaker 3>both of these programs have had good athletic directors here

612
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<v Speaker 3>of the last several years.

613
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<v Speaker 1>And in a time. I remember the day covering routinely

614
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<v Speaker 1>just a UK Athletics board meeting when they announced that

615
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<v Speaker 1>the budget had reached one hundred million dollars and I

616
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.800
<v Speaker 1>was stunned. It's one hundred and fifty. Now one hundred

617
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<v Speaker 1>and fifty. You know what it is that your alma

618
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:33.159
<v Speaker 1>mater twenty three million, twenty three million, and yet done well?

619
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<v Speaker 1>It is, But but they're expected to compete for the

620
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 1>same trophy, you know, and everything but football their D

621
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<v Speaker 1>one and everything but football, and they're trying to get

622
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<v Speaker 1>the D one. But again, I've told this over and over,

623
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<v Speaker 1>but I remember Larry Ivy telling me that the high

624
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<v Speaker 1>the fastest growing expense when he was AD many many

625
00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:54.639
<v Speaker 1>years ago was insurance. Well, you know that's not getting

626
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<v Speaker 1>any cheaper. And Barnard told me one day that he

627
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.599
<v Speaker 1>had just been checking on the price of jetfield jet fuel.

628
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<v Speaker 1>He goes, yeah, I got teams flying charters. I got

629
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<v Speaker 1>to find out what the cost is for jet film.

630
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<v Speaker 1>Like wow, you know, we think that it's just about

631
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<v Speaker 1>tickets and facilities, but it's not.

632
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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's that's eye opening. I'm glad you brought

633
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:13.519
<v Speaker 3>that up, because I don't think about.

634
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Our house those.

635
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.760
<v Speaker 3>Kind of things. I have thought of this. We're in Montana,

636
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's two hours behind you there in Lexington,

637
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.480
<v Speaker 3>and and I'm going, well, how do these guys like

638
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.480
<v Speaker 3>Stamford being in the A C C. It's kind of ridiculous.

639
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.760
<v Speaker 3>And there are another you know, you know, hour or

640
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.440
<v Speaker 3>two away or whatever, you know, and and mid I

641
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:41.000
<v Speaker 3>know that uh, you know at U C L A Uh,

642
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to figure that. I can't. I can't remember

643
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:49.400
<v Speaker 3>remember they the basketball coach there that was under Tina. Anyway,

644
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 3>it's been complaining about Nick.

645
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Nick.

646
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:55.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, try to make it beer if you're listening

647
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:59.840
<v Speaker 3>to to Di Gabriel right now. But he can play

648
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:01.880
<v Speaker 3>it out that I mean, oh yeah, think about it.

649
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:05.320
<v Speaker 3>You play three games, you know, and you're having to

650
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 3>flip through schedules for these guys. That's getting a little

651
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:09.159
<v Speaker 3>too much.

652
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, and I've said it before that that Patino. It

653
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>probably wasn't the only guy, because I know Chip Kelly

654
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:16.880
<v Speaker 1>said it too, but they were the most vocal or

655
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>at least the highest profile when they said, and it

656
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>makes perfect sense. Let football do its own thing and

657
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>leave everybody else alone. And I don't know if it's possible,

658
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 1>but you know, go back to the traditional conference affiliations.

659
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Let football do this thing, but then with everybody else,

660
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:37.159
<v Speaker 1>go back to the way it was. And that to

661
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:40.199
<v Speaker 1>me is the greatest solution. And you know what, it

662
00:36:40.239 --> 00:36:42.239
<v Speaker 1>would be tough, but hell, they all went to college.

663
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.559
<v Speaker 1>They're smart people. They can figure it out. You know.

664
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:47.920
<v Speaker 3>I think that is the best way to look at it.

665
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:51.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, who started all this. You'll remember this Vince

666
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Dooley at Georgia and that's when you started losing because

667
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.159
<v Speaker 3>they remember, the NCAA had this rule that you had

668
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:01.960
<v Speaker 3>to have some real game and make it fair for

669
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 3>one A or one double A team to participate. In

670
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.360
<v Speaker 3>other words, you used to see Eastern Western games, used

671
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 3>to see Eastern Murray games, those kind of things.

672
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:11.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, TV.

673
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Right for TV and things like that, and that that

674
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:21.079
<v Speaker 3>all went away obviously, and we're just so yeah, yeah

675
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.760
<v Speaker 3>and so. And CedarA Depsky said that this was going

676
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:25.800
<v Speaker 3>to happen. He was the head of the n C

677
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Double A you know what, forty years ago, I guess now.

678
00:37:29.840 --> 00:37:31.960
<v Speaker 3>And he was very concerned about it, wrote a book

679
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:32.320
<v Speaker 3>about it.

680
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Well. And Oklahoma also was It was a two prong

681
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 1>suit Oklahoma and Georgia. They sued so they could sell

682
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>their own TV rights and they won. This happened when

683
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I was moving down to Texas to Dallas because it

684
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.800
<v Speaker 1>affected my job down there. I won't get into that,

685
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:51.119
<v Speaker 1>but it's just complicated. But anyhow, they thought, oh, we're

686
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:54.039
<v Speaker 1>going to get rich, and you know what, they ended

687
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>up taking a loss. They did not get They put

688
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:59.199
<v Speaker 1>their bids out, did not get the money they expected.

689
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Had to pull them off the table and refigate. So

690
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 1>be careful what you wish for, you know, Tony Kruz,

691
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:06.280
<v Speaker 1>a modern DA.

692
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:12.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the FEC network, the ACC network, you can thank Texas.

693
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:13.800
<v Speaker 1>For that, the Lawyer network, that's right.

694
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.320
<v Speaker 3>But what happened there? They said, how do we make

695
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.440
<v Speaker 3>this much content to go twenty four seven? Yeah, so

696
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:21.559
<v Speaker 3>it hasn't worked out as well as they thought.

697
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.639
<v Speaker 1>No, and the Texas network indirectly or directly led to

698
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Texas leaving the league. Other teams No, actually the A

699
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and M leaving and that conference breaking up, and everybody

700
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:33.320
<v Speaker 1>thought Texas was going to the PAC twelve and that

701
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 1>set really set the dominoes in effect for the team's

702
00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:40.280
<v Speaker 1>changing conferences. But that's a discussion for another night. We

703
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>will do that at some point with Tony Kruz. Right now,

704
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 1>we're going to let him get back to his vacation

705
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>with his wife in Montana. Brother, Thank you so much.

706
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:50.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy for you, and we'll talk again soon.

707
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:52.719
<v Speaker 3>I hope I'll see a big man. Thank you. Until

708
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:53.719
<v Speaker 3>Thomas said hey.

709
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:56.599
<v Speaker 1>To and up next, Jeff Bicoro joins us here in

710
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.079
<v Speaker 1>the garage. You're on six thirty w LA.

711
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 4>Two then.

712
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Tact do.

713
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.000
<v Speaker 4>Anything.

714
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Big Blue Sider. I renumber two

715
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 1>and as I mentioned, jeffco joined us here in the

716
00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.039
<v Speaker 1>garage' You've in in the garage a million times, that's right.

717
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 1>So but I thought we would bring in jet because

718
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 1>there is so much to discuss that a phone line

719
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>just can't hold. Starting with the headline earlier this week,

720
00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:14.679
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how shocked were you when you saw the

721
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>tweet or text or whatever about Vince merriw?

722
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:18.320
<v Speaker 2>What about him?

723
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 1>You know?

724
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's interesting because I've talked to a couple

725
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:28.280
<v Speaker 2>of people over there and I can't name names, but

726
00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I think this has been simmering, it's been on the

727
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:35.559
<v Speaker 2>pot for a while, and it just kind of boiled over.

728
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 2>And I think that you've talked about this and everybody

729
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:42.039
<v Speaker 2>else had ad nausea about the change, maybe in the

730
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:46.639
<v Speaker 2>dichotomy of how things work in that football office with

731
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.519
<v Speaker 2>recruiting clearly where he had carte blanche for a long time,

732
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 2>and now there's other guys that the coach and Eddie

733
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Grant are listening to. Eddie one of those. But also

734
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I think that and we talk about this all the time, Dick.

735
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:05.079
<v Speaker 2>In any sport and in any business, you have to

736
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 2>keep getting better people to keep to get you better.

737
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.280
<v Speaker 2>For for a long time, no, I mean coaches at

738
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.280
<v Speaker 2>are recruits. For a long time it was Vince and

739
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:19.159
<v Speaker 2>well this guy got a guy over here, and this

740
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:20.639
<v Speaker 2>guy got a guy. But Vince got this guy and

741
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:22.360
<v Speaker 2>this guy and this guy right. Well, now you got

742
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:25.760
<v Speaker 2>You brought in Chris College and the defensive backs coach

743
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 2>has done a fantastic job. Uh. You brought in the

744
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 2>new wide receivers coaches, who's very good. You brought in Bulwear,

745
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:36.599
<v Speaker 2>who's very good. Each of them have different areas that

746
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:42.000
<v Speaker 2>they pursue Florida, Texas, Uh, things like that, mostly more

747
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:46.239
<v Speaker 2>the South than the North. Now they haven't really got

748
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:48.920
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of guys from Ohio in the last couple

749
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:52.719
<v Speaker 2>of years. Yeah, but I think Mark might want to

750
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:56.639
<v Speaker 2>change that. I mean, Eddie used to make bank everywhere

751
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.880
<v Speaker 2>he has been in Florida. That was his fight, as

752
00:42:58.880 --> 00:42:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Frank Cursey was too.

753
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 1>You remember.

754
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:06.079
<v Speaker 2>So there's different guys and so now it's kind of

755
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.519
<v Speaker 2>like you're the four Beatles sitting in there and hey,

756
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.039
<v Speaker 2>I've got a song. Sit to the side. What do

757
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.599
<v Speaker 2>you got you know what do you got? Okay, now,

758
00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 2>what do you have?

759
00:43:14.199 --> 00:43:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Like a young George Harrison trying to make so everybody's

760
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 1>trying to, you know, to get the room because you

761
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:25.920
<v Speaker 1>only have so much. But plus well, before we get

762
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:30.320
<v Speaker 1>to that, uh, stoops has let people go when they're recruiting,

763
00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>prowess has last. I haven't gotten the job.

764
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Done correct because it's the lifeblood until a couple of

765
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:41.199
<v Speaker 2>years ago. And now with the passage of the bill

766
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:46.960
<v Speaker 2>that you can simply just pay guys, now it's changed everything.

767
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:53.559
<v Speaker 2>And I feel so sorry for people like Walt Wells,

768
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Kentucky's coach used to be on the staff here. Uh.

769
00:43:57.519 --> 00:44:03.519
<v Speaker 2>But those kind of guys are just, I don't know

770
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:05.920
<v Speaker 2>what to call it now, your feeder system. It's just

771
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:09.440
<v Speaker 2>like the Reds and the Pirates and Kansas City Royals

772
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:11.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of are in baseball where you're just a feeder

773
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 2>for the other teams.

774
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:15.599
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like you're the miners.

775
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you get guys that are okay players. We'll go,

776
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.679
<v Speaker 2>you know what, go to Eastern great coach, great coaching staff. Right,

777
00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:25.639
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get to play, You're gonna mature, you're gonna

778
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:29.239
<v Speaker 2>hit weights with real guys telling you, not the universal

779
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.719
<v Speaker 2>machines that they have at most high schools. You're gonna

780
00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.079
<v Speaker 2>get better nutrition, You're gonna get bigger, stronger, faster, and

781
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.840
<v Speaker 2>in a year, we'll pay you one hundred thousand to

782
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:38.320
<v Speaker 2>come to us.

783
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:40.239
<v Speaker 1>You could almost shop yourself, right.

784
00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:43.480
<v Speaker 2>And that's basically what's being done. And unfortunately, all the

785
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:48.519
<v Speaker 2>MAX schools, Toledo, Kent State, Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan, Central Michigan,

786
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 2>all these schools, Bowling Green, their feeder systems now to Michigan,

787
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:54.760
<v Speaker 2>to Ohio State, to Michigan State, to Penn State. They're

788
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.199
<v Speaker 2>just they just grab whoever they want from there because

789
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.719
<v Speaker 2>those teams have no recourse. They ca can't come back

790
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:04.679
<v Speaker 2>and offer what these teams have. So it's changed the

791
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.960
<v Speaker 2>way you stack a team. Old Miss has done it unbelievably.

792
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 2>So you're not bringing in as many freshmen because would

793
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.800
<v Speaker 2>you rather have an eighteen year old kid or would

794
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>you rather have a twenty one year old man. That's

795
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:18.159
<v Speaker 2>a big difference in those three years.

796
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:22.800
<v Speaker 1>Literally, and you you go geographic on the MAC, and

797
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:24.960
<v Speaker 1>of course the D one school is in and around

798
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the MAC. The SEC it's national in terms of their portscope,

799
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.760
<v Speaker 1>isn't Yeah, I mean that's that's a great advantage.

800
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, look at Kentucky what they've done and Vanderbilt.

801
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Vanderbilt got New Mexico State their best players. Kentucky said,

802
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.199
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, that is a pretty good team. I'm

803
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:45.760
<v Speaker 2>going to take that offensive lineman looks like Lurch.

804
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 1>From You know that the h doesn't play that way. Yeah,

805
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:53.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean his body fat, It doesn't look like the

806
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 1>thing is.

807
00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:57.760
<v Speaker 2>His armspan, wingspan whatever, You're caught, Sam Buie. So by

808
00:45:57.800 --> 00:45:59.679
<v Speaker 2>the time the defensive end, just if he has to

809
00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:01.920
<v Speaker 2>run a round him, Yeah, if the quarterback hadn't thrown

810
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:03.199
<v Speaker 2>it by then, then there's something wrong.

811
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I help, his footwork is as good as booies.

812
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, there you go.

813
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.239
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well, and you bring me to another point,

814
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:12.760
<v Speaker 1>the old line. But I want to double back though,

815
00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:18.519
<v Speaker 1>to Vince. The Vince Meryll situation. Sure, so much discussion obviously,

816
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.239
<v Speaker 1>and he hasn't had a chance to speak publicly yet.

817
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Not that that will assuage ninety percent of the fan base. However,

818
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.679
<v Speaker 1>I think just the optics within the conference, within the country,

819
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:32.760
<v Speaker 1>it's really striking startling, isn't it.

820
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, you and I have been friends for

821
00:46:35.079 --> 00:46:37.880
<v Speaker 2>forty years, right, I mean we've been friends for forty years.

822
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 2>A great I've been friends with Kenny McPeak since we

823
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.199
<v Speaker 2>were six years old, really that first grade all the

824
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:48.760
<v Speaker 2>way through college. And in that time period you have

825
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.639
<v Speaker 2>up and down, you know, if fun yeah, or one

826
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:56.039
<v Speaker 2>guy's moves away or does this or does that. And

827
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.599
<v Speaker 2>I just think that it got to a point with

828
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:04.239
<v Speaker 2>those too. In their professional lives. Both of them make

829
00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 2>seven figures. One makes a lot more seven figures in

830
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:12.159
<v Speaker 2>the other. But you can't be a buddy anymore. You know.

831
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:17.719
<v Speaker 2>There's a difference when you're when when it's an an underling.

832
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:20.199
<v Speaker 2>How do you how do you describe it? There has

833
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.280
<v Speaker 2>to be a clear deligation between you're the boss and

834
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:28.159
<v Speaker 2>you're underneath me, and guess what, we haven't been doing

835
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.840
<v Speaker 2>that great? And again I look back at Vince. Look

836
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I like Vince, great guy. You know, we get along well.

837
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I talk to him every Saturday. I go down on

838
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:41.280
<v Speaker 2>the field of talk team. You know that. But how

839
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 2>great were these tight ends? Was it the offense? Because

840
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:47.000
<v Speaker 2>none of these guys who have come to this school

841
00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 2>with all this great hoopblah around them every year, we

842
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 2>get the best, you know, A c J was a

843
00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:59.239
<v Speaker 2>great example, but unfortunately he had you know, a problem

844
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.639
<v Speaker 2>right to a heart or something with him.

845
00:48:01.760 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 1>No, it turned out there wasn't a problem, but but

846
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:06.639
<v Speaker 1>he did deal with injuries about it. But the other

847
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.760
<v Speaker 1>thing too is I never get excited anymore about the

848
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:11.960
<v Speaker 1>tight ends because the old line. Yes, and you talk

849
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.960
<v Speaker 1>about it with Tom on the ear. Yeah, you got

850
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.239
<v Speaker 1>to keep him in the block, and if.

851
00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:19.000
<v Speaker 2>You don't, it's just a it's, you know, a mad

852
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:22.840
<v Speaker 2>dash to the quarterback. But to get back to Vince,

853
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:31.000
<v Speaker 2>he what they're gonna miss is this, Vince was good cop.

854
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Every kid that had a problem on the team came

855
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:41.360
<v Speaker 2>to Vince. Vince had tentacles all over Lexington with people

856
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.800
<v Speaker 2>that he could ask favors for for his players and

857
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 2>for him. Quite frankly, that's what they're gonna miss. I

858
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:52.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know if anybody else has that on this team.

859
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Most of the other guys are are young, a little younger,

860
00:48:56.840 --> 00:49:00.320
<v Speaker 2>married younger children, so it's a little different.

861
00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Or they're not built that way. Chris is built that way.

862
00:49:02.800 --> 00:49:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Vince's Vince is almost like and yeah, an NFL

863
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:07.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of coach, a guy that.

864
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:10.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, he's all that's a great point. He's also

865
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 1>the NFL. HEAs yes for the program.

866
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:16.679
<v Speaker 2>And then that's again, those are the things you have

867
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 2>to replace. I think that's where it's going to hurt

868
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.960
<v Speaker 2>him the most is the kids all went to him. Now,

869
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.480
<v Speaker 2>who's their filter before they have to go to coach?

870
00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:29.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, Yeah, because coach is a bad CoP's the way.

871
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you got to be.

872
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:33.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean you think a kid when he had when

873
00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 2>he had a problem, went to Nick Saban. Nick's like

874
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:38.880
<v Speaker 2>the hell you do it in my host you know

875
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:43.280
<v Speaker 2>they correct? Yeah, you see him on the practice field seriously.

876
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.119
<v Speaker 2>And that's another thing I think that Mark has kind

877
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:49.920
<v Speaker 2>of learned is he's gotten a little bit more trusting

878
00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:52.519
<v Speaker 2>of his assistant coaches. I think where he's letting them

879
00:49:52.519 --> 00:49:54.679
<v Speaker 2>do a little bit more and he's doing a little

880
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:58.079
<v Speaker 2>bit less. But I do like what he said after

881
00:49:58.159 --> 00:49:59.679
<v Speaker 2>last season he's going to get back to the old

882
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:01.119
<v Speaker 2>school tactics and stuff.

883
00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:03.159
<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about that on the other side of the break,

884
00:50:03.159 --> 00:50:07.719
<v Speaker 1>because that has been lacking. Evidently, well, the results on

885
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 1>the field prove that. We're talking to Jeff piicorrel Or

886
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the UK Sports Network also Sports director at WTVQ. We're

887
00:50:13.960 --> 00:50:17.920
<v Speaker 1>back in a minute around six thirty WLAP Welcome back

888
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:19.719
<v Speaker 1>to the Big Blue Insider here in the garage with

889
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Piicorrel the UK Sports Network and WTVQ, and we're talking,

890
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:27.119
<v Speaker 1>of course about Kentucky football and before the break you

891
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.719
<v Speaker 1>brought up the fact and you're at the news conference

892
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:33.199
<v Speaker 1>when marks troops sat out and talked to us after

893
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:37.639
<v Speaker 1>spring practice and the kind of the middle of the season,

894
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.239
<v Speaker 1>middle of the summer, I should say, press conference always

895
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:42.760
<v Speaker 1>like how he says, good to see you guys. I'm like, really,

896
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.800
<v Speaker 1>but I think he does like talking football with us,

897
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.000
<v Speaker 1>and I think to his credit, I keep me. I

898
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>haven't had the opportunity to ask him at some point,

899
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:54.440
<v Speaker 1>but I would like to know how much did he

900
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:56.559
<v Speaker 1>have a chance to interact with media when he was

901
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:59.280
<v Speaker 1>a coordinator or an assistant, because, as you know, in

902
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:03.000
<v Speaker 1>some places not allowed assistants aren't allowed. And I felt

903
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:06.199
<v Speaker 1>like stoops, you know, it wasn't great, But he was

904
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.960
<v Speaker 1>good when he got here at talking to the public,

905
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 1>talking to the media, that kind of thing, and he's

906
00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:15.039
<v Speaker 1>gotten better at it. But I thought his message this time,

907
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:17.119
<v Speaker 1>as you said, was really interesting. They want to get

908
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.719
<v Speaker 1>back to what what is they need to get back to.

909
00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:25.039
<v Speaker 2>I think that there's a fine line these days now

910
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.920
<v Speaker 2>once you start paying people in disciplinary terms, and my

911
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.320
<v Speaker 2>question is this, are you allowed to And this would

912
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:38.039
<v Speaker 2>be a great question for somebody that within UK are

913
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.920
<v Speaker 2>you allowed to penalize them with fines?

914
00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Good question.

915
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:47.760
<v Speaker 2>If a kid is out, he gets he gets pulled

916
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:49.920
<v Speaker 2>over or something, he gets speeding tickets like we've seen

917
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.280
<v Speaker 2>one hundred of them at Georgia. I mean it's a

918
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.920
<v Speaker 2>racetrack down there. It seems like with his players. Can

919
00:51:54.960 --> 00:51:57.039
<v Speaker 2>you find those guys? Can you say, hey, guess what

920
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.440
<v Speaker 2>you're making one hundred thousand dollars, Well, we're taking five

921
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:03.639
<v Speaker 2>thousand because of this. That will hit you. But I'm

922
00:52:03.679 --> 00:52:09.880
<v Speaker 2>talking about getting back to the discipline lack thereof. When

923
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:13.159
<v Speaker 2>you have pre snap penalties, that's all discipline, it's all mental.

924
00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:16.559
<v Speaker 2>That's guys that are just not engaged in the game.

925
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:21.880
<v Speaker 2>The quarterback says the play right wing whatever, blah blah

926
00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah, on to on too ready break if

927
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:28.119
<v Speaker 2>you can't remember that in the three seconds it takes

928
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.199
<v Speaker 2>you to turn around. And most of the calls now

929
00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:32.960
<v Speaker 2>are from the line and it's a word is when

930
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 2>the ball is snapped. Yeah, so what do you mean

931
00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:44.119
<v Speaker 2>they'll they either clap or they yeah yeah, or or

932
00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:48.440
<v Speaker 2>it could be two claps. But that's all pre snapped

933
00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:51.960
<v Speaker 2>stuff where guys aren't sure of what the heck's going

934
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:56.599
<v Speaker 2>on and they they jump at that first. You know, inflection,

935
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:01.519
<v Speaker 2>that's all mental, that's all that is all disciplined. And

936
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:06.320
<v Speaker 2>his teams have become very undisciplined. And he knows it

937
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:11.159
<v Speaker 2>because we all see it. And that has to change.

938
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:15.280
<v Speaker 2>And you cannot have and I don't know this, but

939
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.760
<v Speaker 2>you know I talk about this all the time. If

940
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 2>you have a rule, it has to be a rule

941
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.960
<v Speaker 2>for the first teamer or the scout teamer. It can't

942
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:29.639
<v Speaker 2>change because you're the star wide receiver because that's the look.

943
00:53:31.679 --> 00:53:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Lemon is a good friend of mine. But I'm sorry.

944
00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Losing Dan Key is not going to hurt this football team.

945
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:39.239
<v Speaker 2>As a matter of fact, it helps his football team.

946
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:40.760
<v Speaker 1>They're close.

947
00:53:40.920 --> 00:53:47.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he's almost like a father team Barry Unbrown. Not

948
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:51.480
<v Speaker 2>a loss on the kickoffs. Yes, if I'm a defensive

949
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:55.800
<v Speaker 2>back guardy, I cannot wait till Kentucky plays them. There's

950
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:58.719
<v Speaker 2>no way if he gets an outside release, that kid

951
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:00.840
<v Speaker 2>comes out of the game. You'll never play for me again.

952
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:03.320
<v Speaker 2>If he gets an outside release. Make him go inside.

953
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.960
<v Speaker 2>He can't and he won't. He's scared to death. It's

954
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:11.960
<v Speaker 2>not a loss for Kentucky. The speed, you can't replace that.

955
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:14.199
<v Speaker 2>But they've got some kids now.

956
00:54:14.679 --> 00:54:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I think Dan is a loss. I think Dan Key's

957
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.719
<v Speaker 1>a talent. You know, the program will not implode, you know.

958
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:25.639
<v Speaker 2>But you can't see. I can't get into some of

959
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:30.239
<v Speaker 2>the things that I wish I could say during a game,

960
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.960
<v Speaker 2>if the ball is not coming to you as a receiver,

961
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 2>you still have to do every because it takes eleven

962
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:39.679
<v Speaker 2>guys on every single play to work.

963
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.039
<v Speaker 1>And and Dane not perfect. And I can't remember the game,

964
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.719
<v Speaker 1>but he made a knucklehead play, early.

965
00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Penalty guys helmet, Yeah, that.

966
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Kind of stuff, you know he did. And he did

967
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:52.199
<v Speaker 1>that down at Vandy. You know, he had some growing

968
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.440
<v Speaker 1>up to do. Yeah, but I thought he did. I

969
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.320
<v Speaker 1>do think, yeah, he has he still has more growing up.

970
00:54:58.360 --> 00:54:58.679
<v Speaker 1>He does.

971
00:54:59.000 --> 00:55:01.400
<v Speaker 2>He does, And I think the other players see that

972
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and they're like.

973
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:03.679
<v Speaker 1>Dude, yeah, he's a star.

974
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.360
<v Speaker 2>But I think that that that discipline has to come back,

975
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:13.039
<v Speaker 2>not fear your coach. That's when I'm talking about. But discipline.

976
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Guys want discipline.

977
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 1>I think there are kids and look, you've got children.

978
00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:22.159
<v Speaker 1>I've got children. As they grow, you know, they have

979
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.679
<v Speaker 1>to decide you. All you can do is shepherd them.

980
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:28.440
<v Speaker 1>What direction do you want to go? You know? And

981
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:30.760
<v Speaker 1>I think you can see that in some ballplayer. Do

982
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:33.280
<v Speaker 1>you know what guys in the locker room do you

983
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:35.639
<v Speaker 1>want to hang with? You know? Do you want to

984
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 1>go with this group over here? What they're out there

985
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:40.239
<v Speaker 1>having fun, they're doing this and that and they're not

986
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:42.960
<v Speaker 1>getting their work done. Or this group over here, this

987
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:47.480
<v Speaker 1>is going through the tougher times. But I remember when

988
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:50.039
<v Speaker 1>there was a rift in a in a Tubby Smith

989
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:52.840
<v Speaker 1>team where you had a group over here that followed

990
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 1>players X, Y and Z, or this group over here

991
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.599
<v Speaker 1>to follow Chuck Hayes. You know you need your.

992
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.559
<v Speaker 2>Kids to I mean even more recently that look at

993
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Oscar and the point guard each other. Yeah, yeah, I

994
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:09.599
<v Speaker 2>couldn't think of his name. That's your two best players.

995
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.360
<v Speaker 2>And once it get me the ball and the other said,

996
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:15.480
<v Speaker 2>well I'm gonna take this. Yeah, it had to change,

997
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:18.599
<v Speaker 2>and it did finally. But but the other.

998
00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:20.719
<v Speaker 1>Thing you've been in those locker rooms. Not interrupt you,

999
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:23.599
<v Speaker 1>but uh, is that the kind of thing that can

1000
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:26.920
<v Speaker 1>just take hold like wildfire, like you know, in a hurry.

1001
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:30.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah there guy. You know you've got you've got

1002
00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:34.480
<v Speaker 2>guys who are serious about playing. And it's changed so

1003
00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:37.559
<v Speaker 2>much since I played, it's ridiculous. But you had the

1004
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:40.840
<v Speaker 2>guys that wanted to party and play, and then you

1005
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:42.880
<v Speaker 2>had guys that were.

1006
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:47.119
<v Speaker 1>And really, what about and you've played with guys like this?

1007
00:56:47.559 --> 00:56:49.719
<v Speaker 1>What about guys who wanted to party? And we're still

1008
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:50.400
<v Speaker 1>great players?

1009
00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:54.400
<v Speaker 2>That's I know, right, Look, everybody knows I'm not I'm not.

1010
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Cam Jacobs was a perfect example. Couch CLAYVERDG just said,

1011
00:56:57.760 --> 00:56:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I what to do with this? That's I don't know

1012
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:00.280
<v Speaker 2>what to do.

1013
00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's a guy, and here's.

1014
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:08.639
<v Speaker 2>Here's a guy. I want to tell you one story

1015
00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:11.599
<v Speaker 2>about a guy from Lowell played at Bishop David. Maybe

1016
00:57:11.960 --> 00:57:15.519
<v Speaker 2>the best athlete I've ever been around in my life,

1017
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:18.639
<v Speaker 2>and it's Paul Calhoun. Oh yeah, Paulcahem never lifted a

1018
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:23.440
<v Speaker 2>weight never, he hated the weight room, blessed. He hated running.

1019
00:57:23.960 --> 00:57:25.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, in the summer we had to come back

1020
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.039
<v Speaker 2>and run sixteen forties and the four to forty two

1021
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:31.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty five. He would screwl around in the weight room

1022
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and then he'd run his forties like it was nothing.

1023
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.719
<v Speaker 2>He'd lift his weights like it was I'm like, he

1024
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 2>sleeps all day, how do you do this? He wasn't

1025
00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 2>a party. I'm not gidding about it, but I mean

1026
00:57:43.000 --> 00:57:44.880
<v Speaker 2>it was like, but there are just those guys that

1027
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:47.320
<v Speaker 2>are gifted. Cam was one of those guys too. He

1028
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:51.679
<v Speaker 2>could party all night and at the next morning. Dude,

1029
00:57:51.800 --> 00:57:53.559
<v Speaker 2>I just saw you at four o'clock in the morning

1030
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:55.599
<v Speaker 2>when you crawled to your room and now here you

1031
00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:59.239
<v Speaker 2>are and you're ready to go and it's eight am. Yeah.

1032
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:01.199
<v Speaker 2>But those guys. But the other thing, the other point

1033
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:05.480
<v Speaker 2>I want to make you have to call the game

1034
00:58:05.519 --> 00:58:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to win the game, not to appease players.

1035
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:10.559
<v Speaker 1>And I think that as a coordinator, as.

1036
00:58:10.400 --> 00:58:13.960
<v Speaker 2>A coordinator too, And and I think Mark Mark understands

1037
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.119
<v Speaker 2>that now because you've gone through it and see it

1038
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:19.639
<v Speaker 2>doesn't work when we're trying to make this guy happy, happy,

1039
00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:21.639
<v Speaker 2>to make this guy happy, we're here to win. If

1040
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:22.679
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to be a part of that, if

1041
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:24.039
<v Speaker 2>you're going to be selfish, then you're not gonna be

1042
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 2>a part of this. And that's kind of what I

1043
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:27.840
<v Speaker 2>was getting at with the two wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you're yeah, if you're a coordinator, you're like, well,

1045
00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:31.800
<v Speaker 1>we haven't thrown the bottle this guy in a while,

1046
00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:34.559
<v Speaker 1>or let's go to jet sweep again, because we haven't

1047
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:36.840
<v Speaker 1>given the ball to Barrian in a while and everybody

1048
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:38.719
<v Speaker 1>instead of knew it was coming right and that has

1049
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:39.159
<v Speaker 1>to change.

1050
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Did I do? I really do, because I think I

1051
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:45.280
<v Speaker 2>think Bush has implemented the system that he likes, and

1052
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I think the receiver serve is going to be fine.

1053
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:49.480
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot more depth than the way. See that's

1054
00:58:49.599 --> 00:58:52.599
<v Speaker 2>the other thing. You had really two guys at receiver,

1055
00:58:53.159 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and then we saw at the end of the year, Wow,

1056
00:58:55.239 --> 00:58:57.480
<v Speaker 2>this guy's not too bad, and this guy's not too

1057
00:58:57.559 --> 00:58:59.440
<v Speaker 2>bad because two guys came out at the end of

1058
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:03.079
<v Speaker 2>the year back and Farrier and Farrier and you're saying, okay,

1059
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 2>and now they're deeper. Kendrick is going to be a real,

1060
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:09.280
<v Speaker 2>real nice player. Law they got, so they got they

1061
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:10.880
<v Speaker 2>have some nice size and nice speed, and.

1062
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:12.760
<v Speaker 1>We got to hang on to the football long enough

1063
00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.719
<v Speaker 1>to to run seventy plays so they can show what

1064
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:16.239
<v Speaker 1>they've got.

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00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:19.199
<v Speaker 2>This how about this point, who was the last three

1066
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.039
<v Speaker 2>thousand yard passer for Kentucky?

1067
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, the last three thousand yard past And it

1068
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.840
<v Speaker 1>wasn't Will Levis, was it Terry Wilson?

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00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:29.559
<v Speaker 5>No?

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00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Further, Oh, you're kidding, Mike Cartline. No, who's a coach? Wow? Wow?

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00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:37.639
<v Speaker 2>How about that?

1072
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<v Speaker 1>Interesting? Jeff Percoro is in the garage from the UK

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00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Sports Network in WTVQ, will come back with more Kentucky

1074
00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:48.519
<v Speaker 1>football and more on six thirty WLAP Welcome back. We're

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00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:51.199
<v Speaker 1>in the garage with Jeff Picorrol the UK Sports Network

1076
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:55.599
<v Speaker 1>in WTVQ. We've talked a lot of Kentucky football, of course,

1077
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and Jeff covers a lot more than just that. And

1078
00:59:57.880 --> 01:00:00.519
<v Speaker 1>by the way, is also the voice of you women's

1079
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:05.679
<v Speaker 1>basketball on SEC plus and Kenny Brooks, just like Mark Pope,

1080
01:00:05.760 --> 01:00:09.159
<v Speaker 1>constructing a new roster does have some folks coming back though.

1081
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:11.760
<v Speaker 1>He's got some talent and a team. Boy. I'll tell

1082
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:15.960
<v Speaker 1>you were there in the coliseum when they lost in

1083
01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the nca tournament. But what a game, what an atmosphere.

1084
01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.599
<v Speaker 1>I firmly believe that's just a preview things to come to.

1085
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:26.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the thing that jumps out at you is the

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01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:31.519
<v Speaker 2>size difference from just two years ago to today. You're

1087
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:35.079
<v Speaker 2>like six seven six five six four six four sixty

1088
01:00:35.119 --> 01:00:39.840
<v Speaker 2>three the guards this year because unfortunately you lose Amore.

1089
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:42.440
<v Speaker 2>But the two guards you have now are both six

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01:00:42.480 --> 01:00:45.840
<v Speaker 2>feet tall, just the size, and they look more like

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01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:48.960
<v Speaker 2>a South Carolina or a Notre Dame. And you know

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01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Stanford and those those teams that are perennial Connecticut just

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01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:57.079
<v Speaker 2>great teams. Kenny. The one thing I think that they

1094
01:00:57.079 --> 01:00:58.920
<v Speaker 2>have to work on is toughness. I think they got

1095
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:02.480
<v Speaker 2>pushed around the ncaament. But yeah, that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But the team that beat him at a huge player.

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01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well even when they played Texas, you know, the

1098
01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:11.000
<v Speaker 2>bigger the schools that had bigger, stronger girls really South Carolina.

1099
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:13.679
<v Speaker 2>Because again, and it's Kenny's kind of m O. It's

1100
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:16.519
<v Speaker 2>a more of a finesse style that he plays. But

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01:01:17.440 --> 01:01:19.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, he even said in the SEC after after

1102
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:26.119
<v Speaker 2>a couple of good lord, they let him go. Yeah dude, yeah,

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01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:28.800
<v Speaker 2>he understood. He's a great coach and us got a

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01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.800
<v Speaker 2>really good staff too. That's that's the.

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01:01:30.760 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Key, it really is. Matthew Mitchell hit that area where

1106
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.599
<v Speaker 1>his team and his staff kind of fell apart.

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01:01:39.000 --> 01:01:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Hey, sure is.

1108
01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:42.920
<v Speaker 1>And uh, I'm curious to see what kind of staff

1109
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:49.280
<v Speaker 1>he's put together there. But Georgia Amore you mentioned generational talent. Uh,

1110
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:51.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, and and I'd love the story about how

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01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:54.880
<v Speaker 1>that Kenny told us preseason because remember how weird the

1112
01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:57.519
<v Speaker 1>schedules where you work game, you and Christy Thomas. You know,

1113
01:01:57.559 --> 01:02:00.559
<v Speaker 1>an eleven am game or a game three or two

1114
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:03.199
<v Speaker 1>days after another. You're like, what's up with the scheduling?

1115
01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:06.679
<v Speaker 1>Because it was such a challenge to build a schedule together.

1116
01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:10.320
<v Speaker 1>After Georgia Aymore transferred from Virginia Tech, he said at

1117
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:13.880
<v Speaker 1>first of was Kentucky. Yeah, we'll play it, thought bubble Bee,

1118
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:15.639
<v Speaker 1>and we'll beat the crap out of you, you know

1119
01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:18.719
<v Speaker 1>my words. But then when the Georgia Aymore transferred, I

1120
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:21.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know if we're going to be available to play Kentucky.

1121
01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:23.079
<v Speaker 1>And we saw why didn't we?

1122
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean Kentucky was almost I kind of equate

1123
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:30.440
<v Speaker 2>them with remember Xavier about fifteen years Well, once Skip

1124
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Prosser got there, Yeah, it changed savior every Yeah, we'll

1125
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:37.760
<v Speaker 2>play Xavier. Yeah, we'll play they were a homecoming upon Yeah, yes, exactly.

1126
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.159
<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, nobody wanted to play Zavy,

1127
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:43.960
<v Speaker 2>just like what can we get anybody? Yeah, it's the

1128
01:02:43.960 --> 01:02:46.960
<v Speaker 2>exact same thing because they're like, yeah, we'll play you

1129
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:51.199
<v Speaker 2>at our place twice, you come here twice at Ohio

1130
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:53.079
<v Speaker 2>State will play you. Yeah, We're not gonna come to

1131
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.880
<v Speaker 2>your gym and play you right away. That's the problem

1132
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:58.480
<v Speaker 2>you have. And people don't realize that that, you know,

1133
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:02.480
<v Speaker 2>all these games football and in basketball, there's a lot

1134
01:03:02.519 --> 01:03:05.039
<v Speaker 2>of you got to read that contract all the way

1135
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.719
<v Speaker 2>to the bottom, and it's crazy some of the you

1136
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:09.639
<v Speaker 2>know what these teams because I know a lot of

1137
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:13.199
<v Speaker 2>people say, why do we have to play this team?

1138
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1139
01:03:13.639 --> 01:03:15.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, why can't we just plays?

1140
01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:16.559
<v Speaker 1>You need to play?

1141
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you need to play at home?

1142
01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:22.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, games you don't you don't return because of the money, Yeah, exactly.

1143
01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:24.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, and you and I talk we are going

1144
01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:26.360
<v Speaker 1>to delve back into football, but I know you want

1145
01:03:26.400 --> 01:03:28.440
<v Speaker 1>to see more of the high profile games and whatever.

1146
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:31.639
<v Speaker 1>And I can understand why you don't want to lock

1147
01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:35.280
<v Speaker 1>in with all these SEC games to non conference home

1148
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:39.079
<v Speaker 1>and home beyond Louisville because that's your budget. The football

1149
01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:42.480
<v Speaker 1>games are so huge in your budget, and you're going

1150
01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:45.679
<v Speaker 1>to get the money you know whether you play Ohio

1151
01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:49.280
<v Speaker 1>stayed at home or Kent State at home, you got

1152
01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:49.840
<v Speaker 1>to play at home.

1153
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I just have a feeling, Dick that in

1154
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:54.079
<v Speaker 2>the next three or four years, we're going to lose

1155
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:56.360
<v Speaker 2>a lot of balls. There's what forty two or forty three?

1156
01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:01.760
<v Speaker 1>You really? Yeah, I just think interrupt you. ESPN owns

1157
01:04:01.840 --> 01:04:03.760
<v Speaker 1>so many of them, and it's their programming.

1158
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:06.159
<v Speaker 2>But what I think's gonna happen is with the expansion

1159
01:04:06.199 --> 01:04:10.639
<v Speaker 2>of the playoffs, Okay, you just I just don't know.

1160
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:15.079
<v Speaker 2>And especially if it goes to nine games, which I

1161
01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:17.360
<v Speaker 2>think is going to happen in the SEC because of

1162
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 2>the Big ten, does it? Yeah, and everybody else does it?

1163
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:22.920
<v Speaker 2>I think it's gonna go to nine games. Everybody's gonna

1164
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:23.679
<v Speaker 2>get another loss.

1165
01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:24.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right.

1166
01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:27.360
<v Speaker 2>So and that's and I never even thought of it

1167
01:04:27.400 --> 01:04:29.199
<v Speaker 2>that way. And Mitch Barnhardt was talking to me, and

1168
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:31.840
<v Speaker 2>he said, if we go to nine, that means half

1169
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:33.559
<v Speaker 2>the teams in the SECU you're gonna get a lost.

1170
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:36.000
<v Speaker 2>But now that it's expanded to now it looks like

1171
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:39.559
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be sixteen teams. The bulls are gonna be

1172
01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:43.039
<v Speaker 2>gobbled by those. That's gonna be all those New Year's

1173
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:46.760
<v Speaker 2>Day Bowl games are now all going to be in

1174
01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.239
<v Speaker 2>the six the what eight games or a twelve games

1175
01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:52.440
<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be now. So that's gonna take take a

1176
01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:55.440
<v Speaker 2>stand of thirty bulls. I just don't know how many

1177
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:57.280
<v Speaker 2>teams are gonna get the six wins to be able

1178
01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:57.880
<v Speaker 2>to go to balls.

1179
01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:00.239
<v Speaker 1>And we've seen it in some Bowl games. It'll take

1180
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:02.639
<v Speaker 1>a team of the losing record because they've got to

1181
01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:06.679
<v Speaker 1>put something on TV. And it gets ratings. That's the thing.

1182
01:05:06.760 --> 01:05:11.079
<v Speaker 1>That's what's amazing about it. It does draw ratings. Getting

1183
01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:13.760
<v Speaker 1>back to what else is going on on campus. You

1184
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.679
<v Speaker 1>covered Kentucky baseball this year, like the rest of us,

1185
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:19.760
<v Speaker 1>probably surprise to see that name come up in the

1186
01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:24.239
<v Speaker 1>nca tournament. And then Wildcats A quitted themselves well a

1187
01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:26.320
<v Speaker 1>couple of times and then blew a couple of games.

1188
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Dick to me, and I said this to you guys

1189
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:33.360
<v Speaker 2>about football, that I would spend every penny I had

1190
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:38.800
<v Speaker 2>on offensive and defensive line. Okay, in baseball, same thing. Pitching, Yeah,

1191
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:41.639
<v Speaker 2>I can find a second basement anywhere, right you can.

1192
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:45.159
<v Speaker 2>I can find an outfielder anywhere that's gonna hit too eighty.

1193
01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, their diamond does it, but you can never

1194
01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:52.719
<v Speaker 2>have enough arms. It's unbelievable to me. How many games

1195
01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and you did half of them? How many games that

1196
01:05:55.119 --> 01:05:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky have a lead through the fourth and fifth inning

1197
01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.119
<v Speaker 2>and then you lose it through the sea.

1198
01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Thirty one sec games? Kentucky had the lead early twenty

1199
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 1>eight times, and you factor in non conference you know,

1200
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:13.000
<v Speaker 1>which included Murray State, which came to town and beat Kentucky.

1201
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:15.840
<v Speaker 1>And now we know that wasn't a fluke, right, You know,

1202
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I ran I ran this by listeners last night. Let

1203
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:23.400
<v Speaker 1>me run it by you. You having played college ball

1204
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:25.760
<v Speaker 1>and been yelled at by a coach or two. But

1205
01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:31.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember the Murray State baseball game watching warm ups

1206
01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:35.199
<v Speaker 1>as we were Doug and I were preparing, and I

1207
01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:37.079
<v Speaker 1>don't know why I caught my eye, but it did.

1208
01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:40.039
<v Speaker 1>They warmed up really well. And that sounds like a

1209
01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:42.840
<v Speaker 1>goofy thing to say that, you know how guys been coaching.

1210
01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.519
<v Speaker 1>It really is, isn't it. I mean they were sharp,

1211
01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.000
<v Speaker 1>they were precise, they were very The word I kept

1212
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.559
<v Speaker 1>coming back to was professional. That matters, doesn't Oh.

1213
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Dick, So you did this when you were in TV.

1214
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.679
<v Speaker 2>You know that you preview the season on Friday, you know,

1215
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.119
<v Speaker 2>and every every day leading up to the start, you

1216
01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:05.639
<v Speaker 2>go and you do Henry Clay Tints Creek, Alex County.

1217
01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Then you go to you know, all the counties around

1218
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:11.480
<v Speaker 2>a Scott County club. Anyway, What again is you go

1219
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:15.840
<v Speaker 2>to some of these practices and the head coach h yeah,

1220
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:19.719
<v Speaker 2>high school and they're working with the offense. Everybody else

1221
01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:21.639
<v Speaker 2>is standing around, they're looking up. You know, it's like

1222
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:24.400
<v Speaker 2>a t ball game. Everybody else is just hanging out.

1223
01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:27.639
<v Speaker 2>And then you go to some practices and you've got

1224
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:30.760
<v Speaker 2>eleven guys over there. You got eleven over here. You've

1225
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:34.239
<v Speaker 2>got these guys. Everybody's doing something that's right. The whole part,

1226
01:07:34.360 --> 01:07:37.119
<v Speaker 2>you're like, this team is very well coached, it's put

1227
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:40.400
<v Speaker 2>together well. And what happens that team usually wins eight, nine,

1228
01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:43.360
<v Speaker 2>ten games and goes to the playoffs. It's and it's

1229
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:45.239
<v Speaker 2>like that in baseball. You go and you see some

1230
01:07:45.280 --> 01:07:47.159
<v Speaker 2>of these and you're like, this is like the Bad

1231
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:50.320
<v Speaker 2>News Bears and then other teams Murray State, Wow, these

1232
01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:51.719
<v Speaker 2>guys good.

1233
01:07:52.880 --> 01:07:55.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, right, And it's more than just watching the

1234
01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:57.480
<v Speaker 1>catcher to see who can throw it a second or

1235
01:07:57.480 --> 01:08:00.960
<v Speaker 1>watching the outfielders is who's got an arm because sometimes

1236
01:08:00.960 --> 01:08:02.880
<v Speaker 1>they'll deek you a little bit there. But no, I mean,

1237
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and I remember really when I started covering UK baseball

1238
01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:11.239
<v Speaker 1>and going to practice is Madison, Cohen, Henderson. Everybody's doing something.

1239
01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:14.559
<v Speaker 1>And I loved playing little league baseball up until hell

1240
01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:16.840
<v Speaker 1>I played till I well, i've played adultly, but anyway,

1241
01:08:17.159 --> 01:08:18.720
<v Speaker 1>in terms of little League on the ship till I

1242
01:08:18.720 --> 01:08:20.720
<v Speaker 1>was sixteen or seventeen, the only thing I didn't like

1243
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:22.600
<v Speaker 1>was and I like going to practice because to me

1244
01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:27.039
<v Speaker 1>that was playing baseball. But the standing around hated that man,

1245
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:30.000
<v Speaker 1>and you get bored, you know, you lose your mental edge.

1246
01:08:30.039 --> 01:08:32.359
<v Speaker 1>But you know tip of the captain Murray State now

1247
01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, well I got to bed a minute left

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<v Speaker 1>in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Second is the only state that has two teams?

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<v Speaker 1>How about that? I was gonna ask you about Omar

1251
01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:41.399
<v Speaker 1>and you and I went last year we rowed together.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool.

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01:08:42.680 --> 01:08:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Isn't it something else?

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01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:46.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like field of dreams. You know, I've

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01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:49.640
<v Speaker 2>never been there, but I would assume by watching on

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01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:51.520
<v Speaker 2>TV it's exactly say, because you get Dome on it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like Valhalla of baseball. Everybody there is

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01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:57.399
<v Speaker 2>wearing a baseball hat. That's right, that's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>And well you covered final fours as well. Yeah. To me,

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01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:04.479
<v Speaker 1>it's like the Final four, only it's twice as big. Yeah,

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01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:06.279
<v Speaker 1>because there's twice as many teams.

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01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:09.479
<v Speaker 2>This is so because I don't want to get into

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01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:11.520
<v Speaker 2>all that crap at the final four in the SEC

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01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:15.680
<v Speaker 2>championship game that's so commercialized. This is baseball.

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01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's some commercialization to it, but but it's still

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01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:21.840
<v Speaker 1>But you're right, it's really cool. You're right. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll take a break, come back and talk more with

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Piicorro of WTVQ and the UK Sports Network in

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<v Speaker 1>just a minute. Here on six thirty w l a p.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Garage with Jefpiicorro, the UK Sports

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<v Speaker 1>Network and WTVQ. Final segment of our program. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to before we forget about it, we got to talk

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<v Speaker 1>horse racing. Two things. Number One, you mentioned Kenny McPeak,

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01:09:44.159 --> 01:09:47.119
<v Speaker 1>who told me and my partner Tim we were over

1275
01:09:47.119 --> 01:09:51.399
<v Speaker 1>at his barn getting some autograph stuff for the Mark Studs,

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01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Boerban and Cigars event coming up this summer. He so,

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01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:58.239
<v Speaker 1>he said, I didn't get a chance to listen to

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01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:02.800
<v Speaker 1>his podcast pre Derby Sovereignty. He told us, oh, and

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01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:04.920
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna win the Belmont two by about four lengths.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait one by three? You know, really like and when

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<v Speaker 1>you get a guy like that, as you want know,

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01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.239
<v Speaker 1>you were a horse racing you've been a horse racing

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01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:15.039
<v Speaker 1>guy forever. When a guy like that tells you how

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01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:18.199
<v Speaker 1>much he likes somebody else's a horse, that's big. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one thing I always ask Kenny when he's when

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01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:22.399
<v Speaker 2>he has horses in a race and I'm there and

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01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:25.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm betting, and I'll say, what do you think? And

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<v Speaker 2>he says, well, we got to deal with the three,

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01:10:28.359 --> 01:10:29.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, or we got to deal with the site.

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01:10:30.680 --> 01:10:33.600
<v Speaker 2>And he says, that's who I'm afraid of the others.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this one's no count, that's nothing. I had

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01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.720
<v Speaker 2>that one or whatever. But so you know, he's pretty

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01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:42.439
<v Speaker 2>straight up about it. But yeah, you know, I remember

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01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:46.439
<v Speaker 2>growing up, I always loved like Bill Mott, and for

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01:10:46.479 --> 01:10:50.560
<v Speaker 2>some reason, when Mott's horses came on the track, you

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01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:54.920
<v Speaker 2>knew exactly who they were. They all looked exactly the same,

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01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:57.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean just the way that the horses looked,

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01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the shadow roll, everything like that. It was just you're like, oh,

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01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:03.680
<v Speaker 2>that's a mot horse, and then you look down you

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01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:05.479
<v Speaker 2>see the m Yep, that's Bill Mont.

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01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:11:06.560 --> 01:11:09.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, he's he's just he's a great trainer. I mean,

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01:11:09.319 --> 01:11:11.600
<v Speaker 2>he's had some wonderful horses throughout his career, some of

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01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:14.720
<v Speaker 2>the best Cigar obviously, some of these others. But he's

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01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:18.680
<v Speaker 2>had great owners and I really like what he did

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01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:22.319
<v Speaker 2>for his horse. Uh good Dolphin had spent more money

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01:11:22.359 --> 01:11:24.199
<v Speaker 2>than anybody in the history of horse racing to try

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01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:26.199
<v Speaker 2>to win the Kentucky Derby. We finally got it right

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01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:29.199
<v Speaker 2>and instead of going in two weeks to the Preakness,

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01:11:29.199 --> 01:11:33.319
<v Speaker 2>he said, and I'm sure shake and the others said,

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01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:35.800
<v Speaker 2>we have it, we want let's do what's best for

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01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:39.279
<v Speaker 2>the horse. Bill has always been a cautious trainer. He's

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01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:40.640
<v Speaker 2>not trying to push his horses.

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01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:41.880
<v Speaker 1>So that didn't surprise you.

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01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:43.800
<v Speaker 2>It didn't surprise me that he did not go to

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01:11:43.840 --> 01:11:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the Preakness, because now everybody's what if Oh, and then

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01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:49.279
<v Speaker 2>everybody says, well if we spaced him out, But that's

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01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:52.439
<v Speaker 2>not what it's about. It's it's me. I don't understand

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01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:55.520
<v Speaker 2>where everybody wants everything to be easy.

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<v Speaker 1>In well, you know, I finally did on on not

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01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:02.199
<v Speaker 1>that it matters, but on the Triple Crown. Because my

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01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:04.680
<v Speaker 1>thing is what's best for the horse. Okay, that's why

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01:12:04.680 --> 01:12:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I like poly Track. Everybody else hated it. I liked it.

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01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:11.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, are we really into what's best for the horse.

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01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:14.079
<v Speaker 1>If you're a horseman and you claim you want.

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01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:17.279
<v Speaker 2>What you know that place for the horse, I mean that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, test test show researcher and Nick Nicholson when Keenland

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01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:25.840
<v Speaker 1>and Stars it's gonna take five years to figure out

1329
01:12:25.840 --> 01:12:28.079
<v Speaker 1>to get this data and figure it out, and they lost,

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01:12:28.359 --> 01:12:31.800
<v Speaker 1>they lost patients with it. But uh no, Churchill's never

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01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.119
<v Speaker 1>was never. I knew it would never take all because

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01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:36.560
<v Speaker 1>you can't run the Kentucky Derby on poly track. I

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01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:39.840
<v Speaker 1>get that, But if we really want what's best for

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01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:43.479
<v Speaker 1>dors Now, when you started covering racing professionally and and

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01:12:43.720 --> 01:12:45.920
<v Speaker 1>people don't realize this or they might forget that, Jeff,

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01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:50.279
<v Speaker 1>you were a fixture at Turfway Park with with horse

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01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Rat's really what your big break was.

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01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:54.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what got me up to the Cincinnati market.

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01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:58.359
<v Speaker 2>It was going up there and doing the shows with

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01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Patty Cooksy. Yeah, people were with Mike battaglias, and.

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01:13:02.159 --> 01:13:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Back then and before as you were growing up, as

1343
01:13:05.159 --> 01:13:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I was growing up, the breed was such that you

1344
01:13:09.880 --> 01:13:12.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't breed as much for speed as you did for stamina,

1345
01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:16.600
<v Speaker 1>because horses needed to run more often. So horsemen could

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01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:20.039
<v Speaker 1>win the smaller purses back then and make a living,

1347
01:13:20.439 --> 01:13:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, not live like kings on yachts and all

1348
01:13:22.600 --> 01:13:25.640
<v Speaker 1>that stuff, like two percent of them do, but they

1349
01:13:25.680 --> 01:13:28.000
<v Speaker 1>needed to race a horse every three or four weeks

1350
01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:30.079
<v Speaker 1>to try to make some money to pay the guys

1351
01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:32.119
<v Speaker 1>at the barn and gall and all that stuff. Well,

1352
01:13:32.119 --> 01:13:35.720
<v Speaker 1>now with the purses being huge, what does that do. Well,

1353
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.800
<v Speaker 1>look at Keenland in the spring, the jockey colony, the fans,

1354
01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:42.439
<v Speaker 1>the big person rate, those are fantastic, but you don't

1355
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:44.880
<v Speaker 1>have to race your horse as much. So now you

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01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:48.319
<v Speaker 1>can be lightly race going into the Triple Crown series.

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01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:52.000
<v Speaker 1>But through the years, you know, the breed has changed

1358
01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:55.039
<v Speaker 1>and now it's all about the speed horses. So to me,

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01:13:55.800 --> 01:13:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I can see changing the calendar because that's what's best

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01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:02.199
<v Speaker 1>for the horse. You know, are you on the other

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01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:03.279
<v Speaker 1>side of the street on that.

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01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:07.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm a historical guy. It's not supposed to be easy.

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01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:08.760
<v Speaker 1>You have it there. I don't think it would be

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01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:12.279
<v Speaker 1>still be easy July. I, I don't think that would

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01:14:12.279 --> 01:14:16.439
<v Speaker 1>be easy relatively speaking, you know, you know what the Belmont, Yeah,

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01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:19.560
<v Speaker 1>the no, the Preakness used to be running New York.

1367
01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:23.560
<v Speaker 1>It was running Cody Island at one point what sometimes

1368
01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:25.760
<v Speaker 1>some point it was run four days after the Derby.

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01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:27.199
<v Speaker 1>It has changed through the year.

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01:14:27.279 --> 01:14:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't running Churchill Downs either, Is that right?

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01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I knew that.

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01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was Latonia was the big race track.

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01:14:34.960 --> 01:14:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now the Derby hasn't changed much through the years, correct,

1374
01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.399
<v Speaker 1>But the Preakness has, the Belmont has, and.

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01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Well the belmonts what to of the last four or

1376
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:47.520
<v Speaker 2>five years, it's only been a you know, a shorter race.

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01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:50.399
<v Speaker 2>And at Saratoga. Yeah, and I think there might be.

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01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:52.199
<v Speaker 2>I think they're gonna be done by next year. The

1379
01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:55.159
<v Speaker 2>track is gonna be spectacular up there. It's gonna be

1380
01:14:55.239 --> 01:14:58.840
<v Speaker 2>really cool. But you're also losing tracks left and right,

1381
01:14:58.920 --> 01:15:02.039
<v Speaker 2>which is the scary proposition about horse racing right now.

1382
01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, you're you're referring, of course, to the fair Grounds

1383
01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:09.319
<v Speaker 1>in Louisiana, which is owned by Churchill Downs Incorporated. And

1384
01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:12.319
<v Speaker 1>that's you know, it's it's weird to Churchill downs and

1385
01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:14.840
<v Speaker 1>most fans don't really care, but it does affect them.

1386
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:17.880
<v Speaker 1>You got the backside versus the front side, right, the

1387
01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:20.119
<v Speaker 1>shareholders and the people who have to take care of

1388
01:15:20.199 --> 01:15:21.720
<v Speaker 1>them versus change the horse.

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01:15:21.760 --> 01:15:25.000
<v Speaker 2>They got bought out by the gambling exact.

1390
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:26.359
<v Speaker 1>Not for the better, am I?

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01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean the facility is better, but is the product better?

1393
01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Is a situation better for the horsemen? And now we

1394
01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:36.359
<v Speaker 1>may be seeing the fair grounds shut down. No more

1395
01:15:36.359 --> 01:15:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Louisiana Derby. Yeah, and job's gone and.

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01:15:39.279 --> 01:15:41.960
<v Speaker 2>The problem yes, And that's what people don't realize, and

1397
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:45.119
<v Speaker 2>that's what they were trying to tell. And unfortunately Louis

1398
01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:47.479
<v Speaker 2>Sell has kind of put a line in the sand

1399
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:50.439
<v Speaker 2>and said we're not doing this. This is where it ends.

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01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:54.800
<v Speaker 2>They will not bow to Churchill and unfortunately if that closes,

1401
01:15:55.439 --> 01:15:57.960
<v Speaker 2>look it looks like Gulfstein is probably gonna close. She

1402
01:15:58.039 --> 01:16:01.800
<v Speaker 2>has it for sale. She also has Santa Anita for sale.

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01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:07.640
<v Speaker 2>The the land alone around gall Stream is worth billions,

1404
01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:13.680
<v Speaker 2>doubt and unfortunately, you know she's not big into horse racing.

1405
01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Her father was Stronik's daughter, who now runs everything because

1406
01:16:17.039 --> 01:16:22.840
<v Speaker 2>he is mentally incapable and she's probably going to shut down.

1407
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:26.760
<v Speaker 2>So you're gonna lose. You've lost Calder, You've lost Hyaliyah.

1408
01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:30.600
<v Speaker 2>Now you're gonna lose Gulf Stream Park Racing's done, Arlington

1409
01:16:31.319 --> 01:16:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Park gone, one of the most beautiful racetracks, Hollywood Park gone,

1410
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:40.520
<v Speaker 2>Golden Gate, I mean, all these race tracks and if if,

1411
01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:45.239
<v Speaker 2>if Oakland, I mean, I'm sorry. If fair Grounds goes away,

1412
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:51.720
<v Speaker 2>that is a huge blow to winter racing. Uh. In

1413
01:16:51.760 --> 01:16:55.239
<v Speaker 2>the United States, Big Peak Cattle took most of his

1414
01:16:55.279 --> 01:16:58.119
<v Speaker 2>horses there. Oh, you're gonna have left in Florida's gonna

1415
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:01.159
<v Speaker 2>be Tampa. Tampa Bay wows not good.

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01:17:01.880 --> 01:17:03.760
<v Speaker 1>And like I said, you know, people think of that

1417
01:17:04.119 --> 01:17:07.119
<v Speaker 1>wrongly as the sport for the rich. And naturally, if

1418
01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you're rich, you can enjoy it.

1419
01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:11.520
<v Speaker 2>But grooms, job, people that work on the track, right

1420
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:16.239
<v Speaker 2>the all in every face of it, food, beverage.

1421
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Transportation for the horses.

1422
01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:20.800
<v Speaker 2>Back in the late eighties, it's one hundreds of millions.

1423
01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:22.279
<v Speaker 1>Of dollars in the late eighties when you were early,

1424
01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:24.800
<v Speaker 1>we were both early in our respective careers. But the

1425
01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:28.840
<v Speaker 1>state of Kentucky did a study on the economic impact

1426
01:17:28.920 --> 01:17:32.800
<v Speaker 1>of just the horse business in general in the state

1427
01:17:32.920 --> 01:17:36.399
<v Speaker 1>and the amount of the percentage was staggering. It's surprised

1428
01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:39.239
<v Speaker 1>even to people doing the study about how it just

1429
01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:42.960
<v Speaker 1>reached throughout the state. So yeah, I remember, I remember

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01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Bobby Maxwell from Sally Horseman and you know, him just

1431
01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:50.720
<v Speaker 1>talking about how many people he employed just that one

1432
01:17:51.159 --> 01:17:55.079
<v Speaker 1>company devoted to moving horses from one track to another

1433
01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:58.680
<v Speaker 1>tech Suddon, yeah, tex oh yeah, airplanes and you know.

1434
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:01.239
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think that some of the people don't

1435
01:18:01.319 --> 01:18:04.800
<v Speaker 1>really understand as much as as they might in the

1436
01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:06.680
<v Speaker 1>state of Kentucky, even if you're not a racing fan,

1437
01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:10.159
<v Speaker 1>if you're a fan of people remaining employed. A couple

1438
01:18:10.159 --> 01:18:12.600
<v Speaker 1>of minutes left with Jeff Okoro, who is of course

1439
01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:16.319
<v Speaker 1>the UK football sports football analyst.

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01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:19.000
<v Speaker 2>And uh well let me go to you go back

1441
01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:20.680
<v Speaker 2>to just one thing because we didn't really touch on

1442
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:22.720
<v Speaker 2>this at the very start where you're talking about Vince.

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01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Is it tough, yes, because of what you said the

1444
01:18:25.920 --> 01:18:31.119
<v Speaker 2>optics aren't great. But I don't think it's the death

1445
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:34.520
<v Speaker 2>knell to UK football that Vince left. I agree now,

1446
01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:38.359
<v Speaker 2>him leaving horrible, going to Louisville's horrible, but I think

1447
01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:41.159
<v Speaker 2>that they're gonna weather this storm. Look, Mark knows this

1448
01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:44.319
<v Speaker 2>is a huge year for him and his staff. If

1449
01:18:44.319 --> 01:18:47.159
<v Speaker 2>they don't win that, he's in some he's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>deep into the pool, you know. So I I really

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<v Speaker 2>think that you're gonna see significant changes. You're gonna see

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<v Speaker 2>significant changes on the field. Yeah you know. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna start that very first game against Toledo because you

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<v Speaker 2>jump right into it week two. So and Toledo's no pushover.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, that's gonna be a challenge. Yeah you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, last year beat Missippi State, beat Pittsburgh, and

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<v Speaker 1>beat Pittsburgh and a boy and one at Mississippi State.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're not gonna beat Toledo scoring seventeen points.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No. Mac teams have come down here as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and pulled upsets and and make Kentucky work hard to win.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's gonna be gonna be interesting, and it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be on top of us in a moment. Uh, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna turn around and there it is. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>coming to the garage. Good to see you again as always,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, and uh tomorrow night. Chuck Culpepper from the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Posts formerly with their leader not in the garage.

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<v Speaker 2>But anytime I get to see this one right here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm happy my dog arc star that said good night

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<v Speaker 1>from the garage and Lexington.

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<v Speaker 2>Bad guy in a little code, bad guy and a

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<v Speaker 2>little cold.

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<v Speaker 4>Then any such tact Spennny.

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<v Speaker 2>Anything to.

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<v Speaker 4>Any slack Sea that slackens them from taping the donning
