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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasicicos. I am Dan Pavali coming at

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you with the one, the only, the certified, fantabulous. Mister

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Grant hues another Hardwood Knox trade deadline cimer is coming

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straight to you. We are onto the Charlotte Hornets. Before

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we dig into their trade deadline vitals. I need to

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ask what the people want to know, Grant, I think

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you doing.

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Speaker 2: Let's see pun buzzing, buzzing, Dan, we're gonna talk about

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the Hornets. Is that pretty good?

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Speaker 1: The alternative facts? The Hornets?

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Speaker 2: Forgot that bit. Uh, let's see. Well, I don't know

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how far fetched is that. At this point, there's a

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little bit of a rumbling about Lamello not being the

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Hornets cup of tea, but that seems to have gone

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away and maybe not been that serious. But yeah, let's

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see that. Well, he's he's off to Milwaukee. Uh, gonna

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pair up with the honest who's not hurt, and it'll

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be great. I'll do better. I'll do better on the

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next one.

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Speaker 1: It's not her.

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Speaker 2: I forgot my own bit this boy. It feels like

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it's been a long time since we recorded.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm dying. Let's go through let's go through the

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Charlotte Hornets trade deadline vitals. They are a pretty flexible team.

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They have about fourteen point four million dollars beneath the

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luxury tax. They control all of their own First moving forward,

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they have an extra twenty twenty six first round pick.

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The obligation is semi convoluted, but they're gonna end up

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with the least favorable of Washington, Phoenix, Memphis, or Orlandos pick.

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They control Dallas's twenty twenty seven first round pick that

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is top two protected. They own the Miami Heats twenty

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twenty seven first round pick as well, that's lotto protected

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and then unprotected in twenty twenty eight. And they also

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be the least favorable of Cleveland, Minnesota and Utah. So

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if the Hornet just want to do stuff, I think

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the past two trade deadlines we've seen them sell, which

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they might do again. But if they grant if they

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want to do stuff, they could do stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as I was going through this before we started recording,

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it did just kind of reinforce what we've talked about

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a lot with Charlotte, which is like there hasn't been

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since the new management group took over a couple of

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years ago. There hasn't been other than maybe the picking Cannipple,

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there hasn't been just this master stroke of like, wow,

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they really they're up to. It's just been like this

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gradual accumulation of good assets and like the jewel probably

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of that group of additional picks they have, it's got

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to be that top two protected Dallas pick, which at

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the time I remember we were like, that's oh, pretty good,

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get there, but I mean the Mounts have Lucas, so

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what's that going to be worth?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: And now here you are, it's certainly more valuable than

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it seemed at first. So yeah, they just they got

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to this position without anything wild, any anything you'd even

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come close to a blockbuster or anything like that. So yeah,

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they have some stuff and they can do some things

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that would feel off brand, though sort of based on

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how they got to where they are, which is a

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really good position, and that's independent of some of the

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pretty promising results they've had on the floor this season. Right, Like,

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think Dan Feldman had it. They currently they're wins, They

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have a plus nineteen point three point differential in wins

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this season, so when they win, they're just smoking. There

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was a fifty five pointer in there.

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Speaker 1: I think they beat some really good teams too.

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Speaker 2: Thunder by twenty seven, and that differential is like the

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best ever. It's one of the best ever. Also, they've

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lost like twenty seven or twenty eight times as we're

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recording this, so it doesn't mean everything, but that's just

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to say sort of like transactionally, very flexible, good position

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on the court, like some pretty good results so far too.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing too, and I think this bleeds

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into our first topic is now they're starting to see

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or they've seen success. It's just that they're more available

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the floor. The Hornets grant on the season are now

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plus seven point six points per one hundred possessions with

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ninth percentile offense, right, that's in recent weeks when I've checked,

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that group, So it's just like a lead offense when

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their center position was going to be just like a

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massive hole, and you've had diabate has done great for them,

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diabatee to those three, the Hornets are a plus twenty

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four point nine points per one hundred possesions with an

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offensive rating of one point thirty seven. That's insane. And

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on top of all that, have t Jon Salon has

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been playing better this year. I still think that's the

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area we'll get into biggest needs, but that could be

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one that they look to upgrade from if they were

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gonna buy. But the LaMelo stuff is interesting. I think

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but it doesn't. It kind of feel like, are they

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gonna trade LaMelo ship like he's graduated from that distressed

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asset trio of to me at least Trey and John Morant,

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one of whom's already been moved. Although I think some

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people and I think they're making a mountain out of

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a mole hill here, but they're not starting LaMelo on

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the front end of back to backs right now as

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sort of this ankle management thing, and I'm okay with it, Like,

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at a point in their competitive life cycle where it's, Oh,

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but if it's if you're trying to manage his injury

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and do you just not want him to play? Would

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I don't, So I don't understand there's been an uproar

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is a little weird because just because it's unusual when

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like most teams don't handle a star players minute management

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like the the handwringing over that does feel like someone

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that just noticed the box scores a few you know,

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games a month and saw like, oh, he's not starting. Oh,

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read the minute management like explanation and are aware that

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this is just what they're doing. It does It's like,

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insignificant it's it's not nothing, but it's also not a

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huge deal. Like it's just a little strange. I don't

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think it's any like because there's the argument, like all

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they're punishing him because they don't like how unserious he

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Speaker 2: It's if anything, I would just say, it's like, it's weird.

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minutes just in a different way because don't you want

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him out there if he's so valuable against the other

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team's starters most of the time. Like, I don't know,

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but it doesn't feel like it's an argument for they're

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going to trade him. Doesn't seem like that to me.

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Speaker 1: And if anything, just now that this ample size with

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him confident when Brandon Miller specifically is expanded, why would

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OTMX is sending you for first round because the ankle

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stuff that's gonna, I mean, which is the reason why

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he's not starting to like the ride back to backs

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think no, I think that's right. I I'd

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because what's the like or when do we decide that

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we don't need to manage the ankle anymore?

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to manage Steph's ankle anymore? I mean, did they ever

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after he got the surgery that finally worked.

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a bigger deal. Don't you think that the hornets are

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still kind of in the fact finding stage of early development,

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and like they found some pretty compelling facts, by the way,

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but based on the offensive numbers that we just went over.

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were reversed and they were like twenty eight and whatever

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fifteen or eighteen and they were still doing that. It's

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kind of like, what are the stakes really right now?

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like the so I guess if we're going to actually

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stay on topic. In no way does him coming off

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the bench suggest to me that, like we need to

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get back to discussing LaMelo being traded like that, just

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that they're not related.

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Speaker 1: I think he's above the players, you know, like the

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list of players who are actually untouchable is just so short.

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where we feel we're skeptical enough about him that we

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have to listen. But I just also the incentive is

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it's not like you're not so good that your lottery

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odds are going to be ruined. It feels like they're

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at the point of this season they're going to get

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their own high draft pick, and then maybe next year

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think too. I don't know how

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like Trey Murphy is a good example, it's like, well,

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he might be the most valuable guy traded, and maybe

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the market goes crazy for him because they can't get

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these other guys, So why wouldn't you shop him pretty

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aggressively and see is there some idiot offer out there

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that you could capitalize on? Like the only argument to

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that kind of falls apart because most teams that would

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consider a big outlay of assets are gonna just wait

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till the summer. So like the hypothetical where we should

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trade this guy because suddenly he's the best thing that

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the market, and that might be on the market, but

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the best offers, you know, in a vacuum, might never

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be there either. So like I just so that's all

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maybe there's some team that decides we would absolutely love

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like to give you four firsts and great young prospects

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or whatever, but like I just I don't see that happening.

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Speaker 1: What would you view as there, you're assessing your biggest

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let's get here first. I have a spicy question. Could

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they be a stealth buyer because of what we just

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mentioned in the sense of we're not looking they have

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these extra first and I would say your own first

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issue just needs to be off limits is where i'd

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this is gonna help us next season. A lot of

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people have thrown this out with the Pacers. But if

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you said, let's go out and get player X, player Y,

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and then maybe we're managing their minutes this year, or

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they're not playing a ton for a kind of like

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what the Wizards did with Trey, except maybe you're more

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aggressively doing it. It's not, oh, this player has no value,

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so we want him. But if you identify someone who

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fits your biggest need, which that would be the question

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just addressed through the draft, or you should wait until

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Speaker 2: I mean, they certainly could be. They've got a couple

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getting a piece? Yeah, do the pacers thing? Getting a piece? Now?

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That might be useful if you're when you kind of

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transition into being like a we're chasing a bunch of

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wins team as soon as next year, So like calling

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Sexton and Cannonton give you like twenty seven ish twenty

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eight million and expiring salary? Is that a tool you

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would use with one of your extra picks to go

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get a better four or you know, something like that.

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I could see it, so, yeah, they could be. That

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feels like again I've said off brand once already, but

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that feels a little off brand when especially when you compare.

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Speaker 1: This front office.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for this front office, where the alternative might be

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we'll give you Miles Bridges if you want to. The

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rumor of like they want two seconds from Miles Bridges

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is hilarious. Have ever seen you?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen more water being carried? And like

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a single pull out from a report that I saw

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that and my eyeled to the back of my head.

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Speaker 2: They want to first or or maybe two like two I'd.

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Speaker 3: Love to get too, Yeah, but but it seems more Yeah,

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I don't know if they move Sexton or Connatan separately

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or together.

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Speaker 2: Probably together. If you're talking about a move like this

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and you want to get in the business of like, yeah,

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we'll take a guy with thirty million on the books

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this year and maybe more than that next year. If

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you attach a pick that feels more hornety to me

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than like, let's go because who's the guy? Because I

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would you agree to have a guy? Okay, I was

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gonna say, I would think it's got to be a

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defensive player. It's got to be a front court player.

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I like the idea of Caulkbrenner and diabate I would

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explore that. So I'm looking at more of a four

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or combo four five type of player. I'm curious what

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your what your target is. I see the tocle in

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your eye.

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Speaker 1: What wouldn't they be a fun Jaron Jackson Junior team.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't every Yeah, yes.

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Speaker 1: Because they need a four, but also he can play

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Because I don't know if I like the Abaatee and

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Kulkbrenner's been I never would have predicted he was as

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good as he was for most of the rookie season.

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But I don't know if either of them are starters

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long term. But having the option of moving Jared Jackson

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Junior the five and certain configurations, you can figure out

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your rebounding. But LaMelo has good size, Can Nipple Miller

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have good size? So that would be that would be

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the name they were linked to. Karl Anthony Towns ten.

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I don't under even if you weren't giving up, if

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you were just giving up salary, keep that man all

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the way away from this team. Yeah you so. But

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Jared Jackson Junior. I don't know how many first round

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picks it would take. But if you get to keep

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your own pick this year, that's the pick I'm leaving

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off limits. You have other teams's picks to play around with.

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If it's let's say t John Salon salary and three

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first round picks, I don't know, man, I don't know,

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like and it's not I.

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Speaker 2: Mean you kind of described the player. I was like

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giving the outlines of them, like like a four or

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five that's going to be a defensive player. I mean,

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that's him. It's a pretty that would be They would

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not be a stealth buyer. That would be like a

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seismic move.

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Speaker 1: Well, I meant more so they would. It would be

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a stealth in the sense of no one would have

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them going after a jack tape.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, that'd be awesome. I mean, like it

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just it just comes down to the pickout lay and

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then like we just went over there. They've got extras,

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you know, and what do you what are you gonna

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use them for? I think that kind of move. I

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don't know if I don't know if there's anyone else

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that I would that seems like even possibly available that

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that I would. If I were them, I'd go after

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quite that hard. But but Jackson just is the guy

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that I'm you. You put a face to the description

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I was giving, and that's that's about right.

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Speaker 1: They It would be funny if just with the yannest

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calf injury, if he's just suddenly more gettable and it's

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they were willing to move Joanna's for salary and it's

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like two first round picks and Slawn or something and

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what it's just like we'll shut him down for the

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rest of the year and then you.

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Speaker 2: Know what, everyone in Milwaukee is gonna say is like

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this doesn't get done without Canipple coming back.

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Speaker 1: And if I'm the Hornets, I'm like, we're dabbing right now.

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They shouldn't be a honest team anyway. They probably shouldn't

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be when you're looking at I don't know. Because Miller's

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extension eligible, you don't have to pay Carnipple for a while.

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Lamelos still got three years left on like the easy Max.

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You could fit Jaron Jackson Junior into the salary structure

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and not feel terrible about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd be okay for a while. Really, And like

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that's I don't know. Miller is like, I feel like

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we've made our feelings on LaMelo pretty clear. It's not

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like a risk free situation, but like we kind of

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get it at this point. Canipple is like unanimous, Like

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this guy's incredible.

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Speaker 1: It might be the rookie of the year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's having like, by many metrics, the single greatest

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shooting season by a high volume rookie ever. Like it's

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just and it's it's not like a statement of opinion,

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like there are numbers that support that contention. Miller's the

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one that's like, I mean obviously like he passes of

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the eye test. He's had these incredible highlights. He just

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like he feels like a perfect perfect fit as like

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a one two three with with Cinnipple and LaMelo, But

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like the ball, he's the one. He's the guy that

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I feel the least certain about what. I feel like

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I know what kind of player he's going to be,

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or a decent sense of that. I don't know how

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effective he's gonna be, just because the shooting has been

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less than you less efficient than you would like. But

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he too is someone that just hasn't played a lot

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over his career so far. So if you're gonna give

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the I mean LaMelo has gotten some of that, you know, Grace,

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I think because he's missed so much time. So he's

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Miller's the one that so just because we're talking about like, well,

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what's the financial picture look like, I would assume he's

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gonna be like a fun Max player, but maybe not. Wow,

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really Miller, I don't know, just just based on the

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draft pedigree and like the upside and the perception of

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him around the league, I think maybe not. Maybe there

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are no maybe the auto fund Max is also dead

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because of the second apron era. But but I just

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think if there's a way where because of the miss

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time and because of the uncertainty, they can keep him

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for less than you know, like a sub shingoon level

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extension at some point, that only makes them look better,

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you know, flexibility wise going forward, and you could really

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onboard a Jaron Jackson type salary, then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's Brandon Miller's fascinating because I think you want

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more rim pressure from him, and he's been He's been

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like molten at the basket since January first, over like

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seventy three percent or something like that, but only twelve

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percent of his shots Comraia still not drawing enough fouls.

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I think that I could see the outlines of a Okay,

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this is a second tier, third tier he can just

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he will pass the ball, he will move the ball.

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I'm fine with him defensively for the most part. He

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probably had his like biggest highlights as a rookie, where

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like you see a lot of like the ball denial

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stuff away from the action. I don't know what you

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pay that like. I think there still needs to be

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kind of the shooting he's been read, Like I said,

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since January first, I'm fine like the shooting, especially just

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as getting the ball, catching it or the one dribble stuff. Fine,

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but like as the do you trust the mid range,

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Like he's on forty two percent from pull up two

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since January first, under forty for the season. It's a question.

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But I still think, yeah, I didn't even I haven't

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give it. His extension is gonna be fascinating. I haven't

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thought about it. It's with his signing one, it's he's

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not getting do you think he even gets Jabari Smith

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junior money? That might be the number he points to

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and says offer me this, Yeah, right.

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Speaker 2: Because you're similar draft slot, it's different player. But but

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but yeah, I think. I mean, if I'm the Hornets,

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I think I'm probably okay with that, just because, like

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I was gonna say, with with Miller, it's still like

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you could, you know, we both pointed out some of

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the deficiencies, but you can. It's still early enough and

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he's still missed enough time where you can be like, yeah,

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but the tools though, and it's like you're right, Like

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he he has the size you want, he has like

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the game you want. You can just see him fitting. Yeah,

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he's in interesting. He's not a trade deadline discussion. But

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it's relevant because we're trying to figure out what the

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Hornets need to be thinking, and he matters because he's

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kind of the bigger He's the biggest question mark of

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their three top guys just by default. I think.

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Speaker 1: I do think what they'll ultimately end up doing is

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stuff they've done, similar to the trade deadline, where I

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wouldn't be shocked if they took back some money if

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it's attached to something, or if they just did let's

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take a stab in the dark flyer on Like I

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like if they were a key on Elis team, just

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guys who could shoot and defend coming in there or

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Gig Jackson just as okay, positionally what they need. He's

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kind of a like blank slate. Still, it feels like

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can he bring all those physical tools together. I had

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wondered though, like something I think is an in between.

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Would they be an interesting it costs a first round

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pick like a Herb Jones.

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Speaker 2: Team, that would be an it? Yeah, I think because

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you could you could construct line. He's not paid like

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some and you would need to have as like, well,

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this is a clear starter, but they they do need

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wing defense. They're gonna need someone that Now I think

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a lot has been made of of Herb Jones, like

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not quite being defensively what he used to be. Uh

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so that's something.

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Speaker 1: Play for this team.

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Speaker 2: That's fair, right? Ah, yeah, you know what, thank you,

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because it's so easy to forget, like the context matters,

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you know, the situation, like what are his incentives to

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like be the Herb Jones he used to be.

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Speaker 1: That's fair the incentives, but look at what he needs

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to cover up for. It's just he's the only there's

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Alvarado and Herb Jones and who is like their other

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good on ball defender or who do you trust behind them?

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Derek Queen has been a little better defense. This is

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not a he's but he's bad.

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Speaker 2: He's not.

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Speaker 1: His ceiling is like peaky ok on defense.

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Speaker 2: It feels like right, sure, So that's that's interesting. So

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are you I think I know the answer, but are

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you out on going the other way with with some

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of their flexibility and being like we'll be the Jeremy

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Grant or de Jonte Murray or would just give We'll

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take them. Give it. If you're gonna throw first in there,

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we can fit them on. By the time we're really

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ready to be competitive. Those guys will be expiring or

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close to it like is, because that would be more

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of a that would be like an even more aggressive

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version of what the Hornets have done in the past.

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So I wouldn't hate it. I think fans would write

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it though, because it would be a it'd be like, wow,

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how long are we going to do this?

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess if you look at it like they

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shouldn't be would you imagine adding Trey Murphy to this

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team just an embarrassment of space? It would be really funny.

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Speaker 2: That's right. That's a total opposite direction. I'm talking like,

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we'll take what passes in the modern NBA for a

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bad contract, We'll we'll do it. You don't think they're

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in that business anymore?

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Speaker 1: No, No, I think they will be, and i'd be

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I think fans would be on board with it if

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it sort of fits positionally what they need, Like Jeremy

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Grant would be Okay, that's not someone you want to

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be tied to long term, but positionally, yeah, fit some

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of what they need, Like I think you defense of that,

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you prefer him to Miles Bridges like I to me anyway,

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But like what what else, like Dejontay Murray out of

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like that deals a little long and you already have

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all and.

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Speaker 2: You he's like your fourth certainly no higher than getting

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the Pelicans first round pick to take on to y

476
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you might as well. They don't. They don't trade those

477
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dan that would be ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: So I think fans, and I think also just in

479
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general the front office going that type of direction is

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fine because if you are looking to get better, you

481
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now have all these assets that you can attach to

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those contracts which will have one year less on them

483
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over the offseason or into next year. I'm curious. I

484
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think if they try the middle ground of we don't

485
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want to give up assets, but we want this big name,

486
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expensive play, where if they all of a sudden became

487
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a Demonta Sabonis team, because it's like, oh, you know,

488
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he's an upgrade over Ryan Kolkbrenner, Diabate. I don't know

489
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who needs to hear offensively anyway, I don't know who

490
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needs to hear that, But it's sort of like, all right,

491
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well are wecapping the ceiling? What is the what is

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the plan here? But if it's there's a clear direction,

493
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which I think that they've mapped out. For the most part,

494
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I think the team will be one that's willing to

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take because they have the Colm sext In money and

496
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if a team just says, well, Josh Green's cheaper and

497
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we need to shed like this to stay under the

498
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tax even with you know, Miles Bridges might be another

499
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one to where it's is he cheaper than player X

500
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or is his deal shorter than player X? But that's interesting.

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I haven't I guess this year. I haven't given them

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as a salary leasing as much consideration. I've considered them

503
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as will they take stab in the dark Flyers?

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Speaker 2: So like the Herb.

505
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Speaker 1: Jones and the Jared Jackson Junior, those are just deal buckets.

506
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This is on one side, I don't expect them to

507
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do that. Even in Andrew Wiggins might be interesting here,

508
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but I was more so like the Gigi Jackson, the

509
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Keon ellis the the value guys who they think they

510
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might be able to keep moving forward or develop moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, again, we've covered like three different tracks they

512
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could follow and they're all kind of like, yeah, that

513
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makes sense. That's just the testament of the position they're in.

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Speaker 1: They could defend almost anything that they do it's the

515
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I'm trying to think of what would be like that.

516
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I would just hate if they did it, because this

517
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front office is not gonna be the one that just

518
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gives up two first round picks for someone they don't need.

519
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they really have earned like the benefit of the

520
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benefit of the Yeah they have some trust like okay

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if also it's just like, you're right, you know, I've

522
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got to hope I'm not jinxing this. I'm not gonna like,

523
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they're not gonna They're not gonna do it clip this.

524
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They're not gonna do anything stupid.

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Speaker 1: Cuts to them giving up three first round picks for

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Anthony Davis or something.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, like Zach Lavine, come on down, we need them.

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Speaker 1: Could they like, could they even be Naji Marshall, just like,

529
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would you give I guess he's probably first round pick territory.

530
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I wouldn't give it, hornets. But I'm not opposed to them.

531
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It doesn't have to be a bad contract for them

532
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to get a veteran for me. I'm not opposed to them,

533
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,440
like moving away from Jaron Jackson. I'm not a posed

534
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to them just poking around the that type of a market.

535
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Speaker 2: No, I don't I'm not either, And I think again

536
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that could the Pacers argument of just like, yeah, okay,

537
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well he's not gonna what's he gonna get us two

538
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or three more wins this year and we're eleventh instead

539
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of for thirteenth. But it men' matter next year, because

540
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I do think maybe to unless you have more like

541
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I do think next year, we might be at the

542
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point where it's kind of like unless they really telegraph

543
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at this deadline that we're not quite ready, like we're

544
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you know, depending on the kind of move they might

545
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make next year might be like, all right, let's let's

546
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get in the top eight. That's that's the expectation.

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Speaker 1: And the Wizards they're coming. They're coming for these look out.

548
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:40,839
So to wrap this up, who do you think is there?

549
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I'll get mine first. To me, their most likely player

550
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to be traded, and their most likely course of action

551
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is they've traded Colin Sexton's expiring money, maybe taking back

552
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a player that has a year or two left on

553
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their deal, and they've gotten seconds or like even a

554
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first depending on the player they're taking back like first

555
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round compensation. I think that's the for them specific though

556
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I do wonder if they were looking to carve out

557
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flexibility of their own, like getting off of a Miles

558
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Bridges or Josh Green or Grant Williams might be a

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priority for them.

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Speaker 2: To I think I would agree with that. I think

561
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sex and like, I think one Pat Coninson seems to like,

562
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you know, he wasn't even supposed to make the team,

563
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and there was all this reporting about like how his

564
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tone setting and his work ethic in camp was like

565
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,599
we cause they were gonna buy him out or cut

566
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him or whatever, and and he's like he seems valuable

567
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to them in like locker room senses, and Sexton makes

568
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twice as much. So that seems like the guy that

569
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you're gonna Sexton is the chip to move if you're

570
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trying to do anything like semi interesting, whether that's accumulating

571
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assets or getting a better player. And then yeah, I

572
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,319
think I think I would agree with you that it's

573
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it's that or it's because like Grant Williams, I don't know,

574
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,799
like it, there's just not another like I.

575
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Speaker 1: Think he's going to be healthy enough moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Salon playing better recently is kind of like, oh

577
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maybe you don't know, Like it's let's hang let's hang

578
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on another year and see what's what's there? So yeah,

579
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:07,599
it seems ultimately a lot of options. They'll probably just

580
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,519
be pretty safe and Sexton will be the guy that

581
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moves if anything.

582
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Speaker 1: Uh, you have anything else? Are you ready to take

583
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,000
us out here? No, we're in. Our confidence in the

584
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,359
Hornets is just off the charts.

585
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Speaker 2: Didn't think, didn't think we really I wasn't expecting to

586
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really land on this, but also not surprised.

587
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Speaker 1: We've we the national media about their takes. What is

588
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going on?

589
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: Listen? Uh, We've been on the credit where it's due.

590
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We have supported the Hornets for at least a year

591
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,319
and a half basically ever since, like Michael, basically ever

592
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:46,400
since new management. Yeah, I mean more or less. No,

593
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I have nothing to add. Good luck Hornets. Can maybe

594
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we should adopt the Hornets? Can they be our team?

595
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Speaker 1: Well? I mean we like my thoughts on the metal

596
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,440
ball have been made pretty cool. Well, watched this podcast,

597
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,279
like once, I probably shoehorned him into a conversation.

598
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Speaker 2: I'm not ready to join you in as a charter

599
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:06,200
member of the LaMelo Fantom comment or still have my

600
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:09,640
doubts I feel, Look, it's hard to argue with the

601
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,480
results at least right now, the offense is like, Okay,

602
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,599
he seems to be important in that Okay, that's enough horness.

603
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Thanks everybody for listening, for watching, rate review, and subscribe,

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Until next time, shouts Frank Lakeen Apologies, Jared Allen