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Speaker 2: we like to call the Intelligent Conversation Podcast, where no
Speaker 2: conversations out of bounds, in all points of view are welcome.
Speaker 2: Listeners are familiar with our routine. We record live to
Speaker 2: tape and I give you the date so you have
Speaker 2: some context and relevance. We're approaching Saint Patrick's Day. It's
Speaker 2: the eleventh of March. And with that in mind, I've
Speaker 2: always been amazed how much influence a small country the
Speaker 2: size of Ireland could have on history and culture here
Speaker 2: in America and around the world. This is especially true
Speaker 2: in literature. The amount of great Irish writers like John Swifts,
Speaker 2: Samuel Beckett, W. B. Yates, and James Joyce, to name
Speaker 2: just a few, is vast and impressive. Plays, novels, and
Speaker 2: poems written by both irishmen and women have become immortal.
Speaker 2: Continuing in this tradition, in very much his own way
Speaker 2: and joining us for some intelligent conversation. Is a man
Speaker 2: whose own life is as interesting as the books he
Speaker 2: now writes. Here are just some of his highlights. Born
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty six in Oman, Northern Ireland, where he
Speaker 2: intended both Protestant and Catholic schools, he wanted to be
Speaker 2: Jacques Cousteau, but wound up working in financial services until
Speaker 2: his retirement in twenty twenty one. At that time he
Speaker 2: began writing his first book, Dance Hall Days. It took
Speaker 2: him four years to write and publish that one. His
Speaker 2: second book, The Cruelest Month, was published in the autumn
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five. He uses his family and his
Speaker 2: life experiences in Oma as the basis for his novels.
Speaker 2: His wife May was diagnosed with MS multiple sclerosis in
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and he donates all proceeds from the book
Speaker 2: to MS research. He is in the process of writing
Speaker 2: his third book in the series and says he has
Speaker 2: a whole new lease on life at seventy. Please welcome
Speaker 2: live from Carrick Fergus, Northern Ireland. Mister Sam, you know Sam.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us from so far away.
Speaker 1: No problem, Frank, thank you very much for helping me,
Speaker 1: for inviting me alone. Are you sure that was me
Speaker 1: you were talking about there in the introduction.
Speaker 2: I took it right from your I took it right
Speaker 2: from your bios, so it's got to be true, right
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: The other person I'd like to thank right now is
Speaker 1: my cousin, Quenton, who lives in New York, for introducing us. So, Quentin,
Speaker 1: this is all your fault.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know, Quin. I'll blame him later as well.
Speaker 2: We'll make sure he gets the link to watch the program.
Speaker 2: And I've really been looking forward to this. We've done
Speaker 2: some preliminary meetings and I'm sure there's going to be
Speaker 2: informative and fun. So let's let's start with the basics.
Speaker 2: Tell us about Sam. How did you get where you are?
Speaker 2: We gave kind of the nuts and balls. You were
Speaker 2: financial planning, But how did you get to where you
Speaker 2: are as an author?
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose the books are set on Omas as
Speaker 1: you as you rightly say, where I was born and
Speaker 1: raised or just over seventy years ago. As you mentioned,
Speaker 1: I was the third of four siblings. My parents were
Speaker 1: both civil servants. That was a very uneventful sort of
Speaker 1: childhood until I turned sixteen. And over here in the
Speaker 1: UK we at sixteen you do exams called O levels
Speaker 1: ordinary levels, so that's that's fifth form in secondary school.
Speaker 1: And so I had just completed my O level and
Speaker 1: I was always very good at exams, but it was
Speaker 1: I was a very boisterous child, shall we say I was.
Speaker 2: I get that, I say that.
Speaker 1: And well, just after our exams, a couple of friends
Speaker 1: of mine and I went to a pub to have
Speaker 1: a few beers to celebrate. We weren't drunk, gronding. We
Speaker 1: were only sixteen. We had maybe a couple of painting
Speaker 1: in us. But on the way home we decided to
Speaker 1: let off steam outside the school that we went to,
Speaker 1: the academy, the Protestant school, which was about fifty meters
Speaker 1: from where I lived in the middle of Homa, and
Speaker 1: we had one of us had cans of spray paint
Speaker 1: with him and he was actually bought them to spray
Speaker 1: his bicycle. But we ended up writing graffiti all over
Speaker 1: the walls of the school. Well, so, and we got
Speaker 1: caught and I got expelled. And my mother worked in
Speaker 1: the Department of Education.
Speaker 2: Wow, big deal, that's a big deal. My mother worked
Speaker 2: in the high school office couldn't get away with anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was it was a major thing, and
Speaker 1: my father was absolutely vivid, quite rightly. He actually hit
Speaker 1: me very hard when he came home from work that
Speaker 1: afternoon as the only time it ever happened. So that
Speaker 1: was the first big event, and it was the first
Speaker 1: evidence that I had of my mother's strength in that
Speaker 1: in the summer because the Christian Brothers Catholic School was
Speaker 1: about fifty yards from my house in the other direction,
Speaker 1: so in the summer at that age, we played a
Speaker 1: lot of soccer football, as we would call it. And
Speaker 1: I knew a lot of people who went to the
Speaker 1: Christian Brothers school and was friendly with quite a few
Speaker 1: of them. So my options when I got expelled Protestant
Speaker 1: school wise was to travel for an hour and a
Speaker 1: half in one direction, but the other was to go
Speaker 1: to where Oscar Wild School pertorer in a skilling and board,
Speaker 1: all of which would have been very expensive and impossible
Speaker 1: financially really, and I suggested I go to the Christian Brothers.
Speaker 1: And this was mcgranny old fashioned Unionist father, unionist mother, Unionist.
Speaker 1: This was unbelievably out there, but my mother saw the
Speaker 1: sense in it, and she accompanied me for an interview
Speaker 1: at the Christian Brothers with the head master, Brother O'shay,
Speaker 1: and it went extremely well and I ended up that
Speaker 1: September going to the Christian Brothers to do my A
Speaker 1: levels for two years before going to university. And I
Speaker 1: think if I hadn't gone to the Christian Brothers, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have passed me A levels. It settled me down
Speaker 1: and I got to university and I was the only
Speaker 1: Protestant in the school. And this was nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 1: so it was the height of the troubles. Bloody Sunday
Speaker 1: had been that January in nineteen seventy two, the massacre
Speaker 1: in Londonderry, so that was a huge thing. But I
Speaker 1: was treated very respectfully that the Christian Brothers have treated
Speaker 1: very well and the teachers were absolutely brilliant. I said
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have passed me exams if it stayed at
Speaker 1: the academy. It was too wild. So that was that
Speaker 1: was the first big event, the big influence on me
Speaker 1: of my mother's strength as a person.
Speaker 2: Yes, Sa, I mean, I think it's important, and again
Speaker 2: I don't want to make this it's not about the
Speaker 2: troubles and it's a huge political issue, but we have
Speaker 2: to frame things in your experience, in your background, relative
Speaker 2: to what you are today and how you write and
Speaker 2: what you write. So what did that all mean? And
Speaker 2: I think that as we spoke in prep, the important
Speaker 2: lesson that you got from your mother by doing that,
Speaker 2: it was there were many messages there obviously to continue
Speaker 2: your education, but in a way, and you told me
Speaker 2: something interesting and I'm just paraphrasing that your mother wanted
Speaker 2: you in a sense also to learn it that Catholics
Speaker 2: didn't have three heads. Uh So if you frame, if
Speaker 2: you frame that, I think people will understand how important
Speaker 2: that was. And as you mentioned, how rare it was
Speaker 2: at that time because the animosity between the two groups
Speaker 2: was literally killing one another. So I think it's important
Speaker 2: to understand that and you will have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, absolutely, well, I think it was more I
Speaker 1: explained to my parents and their mother sort of lessoned that.
Speaker 1: I told her that Catholics didn't have three heads, and
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't eat their children. They were the
Speaker 1: same as basically they they wanted a job, they wanted
Speaker 1: an education, they wanted to bring up their kids. And
Speaker 1: my mother listened and and I think the thing at
Speaker 1: the Christian real hard. People got through all that time
Speaker 1: because there were a lot of bombs going off and
Speaker 1: nom before the really big one in nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: the famous one where there was a lot of bomb
Speaker 1: ordinary bombs if you want to call them, going off everywhere.
Speaker 1: But the way people got through it and the way
Speaker 1: it was dealt without the Christian Brothers school is just
Speaker 1: it was never discussed ever. We went in, we did lessons,
Speaker 1: we went home. I never played any sport at the
Speaker 1: Christian Brothers. I was a very keen rugby player. At
Speaker 1: the Academy, they didn't play rugby at the Brothers. They
Speaker 1: played Gaelic football, which I wasn't say it wasn't allowed
Speaker 1: to play, but I was too old at that stage
Speaker 1: even just started learning Gaelic football. So we didn't play
Speaker 1: any sport at all. So there's no after school stuff.
Speaker 1: It was just home, which wasn't very far away, which
Speaker 1: was the big thing. So yeah, it was the fact
Speaker 1: that I was the only Protestant in the place was
Speaker 1: mind blowing at the time, and my friends at the
Speaker 1: academy really almost couldn't believe it. But I started a
Speaker 1: trend the other way, because I started to meet parents
Speaker 1: of friends at the Christian Brothers and their children were
Speaker 1: going through what I had gone through at the Academy,
Speaker 1: and quite a few of them went the other way
Speaker 1: and migrated to the academy. So I was. I like
Speaker 1: to think I was a pioneer of integrated education. And
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of integrated education because I don't
Speaker 1: believe you can hit your teammate in the football team
Speaker 1: or the person that you're doing who's doing your homework
Speaker 1: for you if you want. So you know, the hatred
Speaker 1: is embedded and continues because both sides have a vested
Speaker 1: interest in keeping it embedded. Well that's my personal view,
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people might agree. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was incredibly unique, But it
Speaker 1: was the best thing ever happened to me because I've
Speaker 1: got really good friends now from both schools that I've
Speaker 1: kept in touch with all this time, and they're still
Speaker 1: friends and will be forever.
Speaker 2: Women have played a big role in your life in
Speaker 2: your novels. Talk about that a little bit, your mother,
Speaker 2: your wife, your sisters. I know I'll play big roles.
Speaker 2: Explain why in hell?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, all the drama I mean the book. The
Speaker 1: idea for the books started when my mother was, as
Speaker 1: I describe it, fading away in the nursing home. I
Speaker 1: knew that she had had major events in her life,
Speaker 1: major trauma and things that you had to deal with,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know the details again because they were
Speaker 1: never really discussed. So as she was fading away, I
Speaker 1: started visiting, driving down from Carrac Fergus to home every day,
Speaker 1: not every day, once a week, and we started. I
Speaker 1: started chatting and asking her questions and probing a bit,
Speaker 1: and she's told me more and more, and the more
Speaker 1: she told me, the more amazed I was by how
Speaker 1: she had dealt with these things, and how her mother
Speaker 1: before that had dealt with bringing up four children in
Speaker 1: a two up, two down that flooded every autumn and
Speaker 1: there was no help. There was no insurance, so there
Speaker 1: was nothing. They just went upstairs and lived for two
Speaker 1: three days, brought everything up, They hung the furniture up
Speaker 1: on hooks on the ceiling and went upstairs and stayed
Speaker 1: until the floods went down, and they went back down
Speaker 1: and cleaned the place up and carried on. My granny
Speaker 1: was cleaner. She had three jobs, work cleaning for three
Speaker 1: businessmen in Noma. My granddad died before the war, so
Speaker 1: she was a single parent who brought four of them
Speaker 1: up on nothing, and they all had to start work
Speaker 1: at fourteen because they couldn't afford to continue with education
Speaker 1: and they couldn't afford not to start work. So my
Speaker 1: mother's first job was as a secretary and a solicitor's office,
Speaker 1: and she became incredibly good at shorthand and typing and
Speaker 1: was very enthusiastic. Her two older sisters escaped, one to
Speaker 1: Canada and one to England, and her younger brother joined
Speaker 1: the Navy after he'd had trials for Manchester un edited.
Speaker 1: He was a very good footballer, but he didn't make
Speaker 1: it as a footballer. So those stories led me to think, well,
Speaker 1: everybody escaped from Oma except my mother, who stayed because
Speaker 1: of circumstances and ended up looking after her mother. And
Speaker 1: it was the strength of my granny and then my
Speaker 1: mother dealing with the things they dealt with, which involves
Speaker 1: initially my the eldest of my two sisters, who I
Speaker 1: knew her father wasn't the same as my father, but
Speaker 1: that's about as much as I knew, and she didn't
Speaker 1: live with us. She lived with my granny, but so
Speaker 1: she was different, but she was my sister and that's
Speaker 1: what we thought of her as. But so that there's
Speaker 1: a huge story there how that happened. So I know
Speaker 1: the facts, and I thought this, this, this has to
Speaker 1: be written down. And then other tragedies happened, and they
Speaker 1: say the more she told me, frankly more, I thought,
Speaker 1: I have to write this down. I'm going to make this.
Speaker 1: I've never written any of my life before. But the
Speaker 1: two sisters, who you know, both previous, they both passed away.
Speaker 1: I got my younger brother and we left now. But
Speaker 1: the stories of the strength of these people and the
Speaker 1: tragedies my mother and mc granny, what they dealt with,
Speaker 1: I just thought, I'm going to write this down when
Speaker 1: I retired. This is gonna be my project in retirement,
Speaker 1: because I've never written anything before ever. And my mother
Speaker 1: would have been horrified at the thought of it, because
Speaker 1: she thought she was just an ordinary little woman who
Speaker 1: worked and brought up her family, married, married with my
Speaker 1: father and had an ordinary little life. But I thought
Speaker 1: she wasn't ordinary, she was extraordinary. And then May came
Speaker 1: in on the scene, and we've been married just over
Speaker 1: thirty five years. May, Yeah, thirty six years this year
Speaker 1: we've been married. And she saved me in a way
Speaker 1: as well, because I was I was still enjoying a
Speaker 1: beer or two when I met Mey, just living the
Speaker 1: life of a single one or two, a single of
Speaker 1: a single man. So we met May and that settled
Speaker 1: me down incredibly because she was a traveler. She'd been
Speaker 1: traveling a lot before on her own before we met,
Speaker 1: and the first as soon as a matter that summer
Speaker 1: that first year, she she booked a holiday to Turkey
Speaker 1: to bodroom and and so I knew there was a
Speaker 1: hotel room in boardroom books. So I just got on
Speaker 1: a flight to boardroom and joined up with May. In Turkey.
Speaker 1: We're on the beach for about one day and we're
Speaker 1: board to tears. So we went on the local bus
Speaker 1: to Stanbull overnight. We will only touristive white people on it.
Speaker 1: And got off the bus saw Hilton Hotel, asked them,
Speaker 1: I've had the room for a couple of nights. Where's
Speaker 1: the blue mosque? And that was us. We never stopped
Speaker 1: after that, went long haul. We've traveled the whole entire world.
Speaker 1: So May's influence was very calming, almost life saving, that's
Speaker 1: not too dramatic. So the both of the women, two sisters,
Speaker 1: all their granny wife, all very very important parts in
Speaker 1: my life. And the basis for the book and the
Speaker 1: link of obviously with the book was May was diagnosed
Speaker 1: with MS two days after my mother died, and the
Speaker 1: dots got joined immediately in my head that this is
Speaker 1: what I was going to do with even if we
Speaker 1: so old one book, I'm going to give every penny
Speaker 1: to MS research and and and that's what happened. And
Speaker 1: luckily we've sown quite a lot more than than in
Speaker 1: one book. It's been, it's been very it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a great project and a great privilege to have
Speaker 1: been able to do it. And my favorite pund of
Speaker 1: all time is it's a novel way of fundraising.
Speaker 2: And we're going to talk about that in the novelty
Speaker 2: of it and all that in time. But another name
Speaker 2: that you that you mentioned that's very important in your
Speaker 2: life and you're reading is your hometown Oma. Why you
Speaker 2: keep saying it's it's different, Explain then, why it's it's
Speaker 2: very in the forefront seemingly of your thinking. I guess
Speaker 2: as most of our hometowns are, but it seems like
Speaker 2: a very special place to you.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well it is. It's I mean, I left
Speaker 1: Oma after I left the Christian Brothers and went to university.
Speaker 1: I never really went back and lived in Oma after that.
Speaker 1: University was up on the north coast near Port Brush,
Speaker 1: which is the same as for the Giants causeways, and
Speaker 1: then it was easier. I met May and she was
Speaker 1: she was from Fermana as well. She was a country guirer,
Speaker 1: but she was living and working in Belfast. She worked
Speaker 1: in the hematology labs in the hospital in Belfast, so
Speaker 1: she was kept very busy during the troubles of obviously
Speaker 1: working in the the blood bank and the blood labs,
Speaker 1: and she had a special pass to get through the
Speaker 1: barricades and the barriers and stuff. You know, they get
Speaker 1: into an essential worker. So we met additionally, seeming sense
Speaker 1: to staying up around Belfast because that's where the work was.
Speaker 1: But Oma is always home. It's always referred to as home.
Speaker 1: We live in carract Fergus have done for a long time,
Speaker 1: but it will never really be home. Oma is home
Speaker 1: and that's where all my you know, if if I
Speaker 1: wanted or was going to end up in a nursing
Speaker 1: home somewhere. I would like it to be Oma, because
Speaker 1: that's where all my real friends are, my lifelong friends.
Speaker 1: It has changed a lot, obviously over time, but a
Speaker 1: lot of the pubs that I used to go to
Speaker 1: are still there, a lot of the buildings that I
Speaker 1: used to go to are still there. And it's just
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a human thing rather than
Speaker 1: the geography or the buildings of Oma. It's where all
Speaker 1: my real mates are. That from both schools. Whenever I
Speaker 1: was doing the launch of the first book and Oma
Speaker 1: Library that turned that, I was overwhelmed by the turnout
Speaker 1: of people from both schools. People I hadn't seen for
Speaker 1: fifty years, people who worked with me mother were there,
Speaker 1: and they said it was overwhelming and that could never
Speaker 1: happen anywhere else, only only Oma, simply because that's where
Speaker 1: it all happened. That's where the protagonists all lived. I
Speaker 1: think the books could have been set really anywhere. The
Speaker 1: universal sort of love story type thing that could have
Speaker 1: be set anywhere, but it couldn't be set in a
Speaker 1: different time because attitudes to things now would be completely different.
Speaker 1: So the time is unique. The situation that the place
Speaker 1: is simply because that was the place.
Speaker 2: Now. And you've mentioned you were not trained as a writer.
Speaker 2: You have no real formal training, if you will, yourself taught,
Speaker 2: and it took you four years to write and publish
Speaker 2: your first work. What were some of the real challenges
Speaker 2: that you faced? Obviously create of writing being one, But
Speaker 2: but it's more than that. Talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: the challenges of writing a book, especially for someone who
Speaker 2: doesn't come from that world.
Speaker 1: But I think my ignorance of what was involved, I
Speaker 1: would probably might not have started if I'd known I
Speaker 1: was involved.
Speaker 2: That's a good advice for you. Don't think, don't don't
Speaker 2: think too.
Speaker 1: Much, just just start. Just yeah, that's what I did
Speaker 1: about about an a four pad and a box of pens,
Speaker 1: and I just started writing. I was lucky in a way,
Speaker 1: amost because I knew the story. I didn't have to
Speaker 1: make up a story. But I quickly learned the only
Speaker 1: the only book I read about how to write and
Speaker 1: how not to write was by Stephen King, you know,
Speaker 1: his book on writing, And I learned things like, you know,
Speaker 1: cut out all the adverbs and make the sentences shorter,
Speaker 1: and don't put it's short chapters. Keep it as tight.
Speaker 1: But that's easier said than done. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: was just writing The Ring Longhand, and I very quickly
Speaker 1: learned that fiction is fantastic because you can make things up.
Speaker 1: You know, if you don't know anything, just make it up.
Speaker 1: And the other thing was the research, because because of
Speaker 1: when it was set, you couldn't you know, I had
Speaker 1: to know what her cars were available. I made a
Speaker 1: few mistakes and then you look it up and say
Speaker 1: what it was? There wasn't it an austin A three
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty six? They didn't come out until nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty seven. So and movies, what was what were on?
Speaker 1: What was on in the cinema, and how much things wear?
Speaker 1: So I loved all.
Speaker 2: These things you don't think of, and so you really
Speaker 2: sit down and let yourself in that.
Speaker 1: Period, I really really looked into it and what the
Speaker 1: what the fashions were, what sort of dress should have
Speaker 1: worn to the star ballroom where she went dancing again?
Speaker 1: And and it was I was muddling away and writing,
Speaker 1: and I've written a lot of stuff. And then there's
Speaker 1: a lady I got to know in the local bookshop
Speaker 1: in Carrick Fergus the Secret Bookshelf Joe, the lady there
Speaker 1: who's written a few, quite a few science fiction novels.
Speaker 1: And I was chatting to her about saying, I've just well,
Speaker 1: I've just started writing the book myself. You know, any advice,
Speaker 1: and she said, get an editor immediately. First best thing.
Speaker 1: Get somebody who knows what they're doing. And she introduced
Speaker 1: me to a lady called al Avril Buchanan. And that
Speaker 1: was when things really started to take shape because Avril's
Speaker 1: first question. But in the meantime, May had decided I
Speaker 1: needed to start typing this up on a laptop. So
Speaker 1: the laptop we're doing this on now is the laptop
Speaker 1: I bought to my two finger typing to catch up
Speaker 1: with all the scribbles. And that was the first editor,
Speaker 1: I suppose, because when you're when you're moving it across
Speaker 1: from the scribbles to the laptop, you changed things. You know.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that, and that's not how that would anyway.
Speaker 1: So the Averil's first question was how many words before winning?
Speaker 1: For how many words have you written so far? And
Speaker 1: I was that stupid before I didn't even know how to.
Speaker 1: I said, how do you tell and she said, bottom
Speaker 1: left corner of your screen, there'll be a number of
Speaker 1: a number. So I said, that's you really started from
Speaker 1: scrip was a real a real dummy. Yeah, it says
Speaker 1: ninety eight thousand and forty. And she said, well you
Speaker 1: need to stop now. Do you know what that looks
Speaker 1: like in an A five paperback? And I said no,
Speaker 1: and said that's about four hundred pages. So you've written
Speaker 1: a book already.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, I've only got to nineteen fifty,
Speaker 1: you know, I've got a long way to ago.
Speaker 2: You're editing.
Speaker 1: That's that's how it ended up being becoming a trilogy really,
Speaker 1: but yeah, so that was it was a steep learning curve.
Speaker 1: I knew nothing. I knew nothing about publication. I just
Speaker 1: thought I sent my manuscript off to you know, Penguin
Speaker 1: and a few big names, and they fight over it
Speaker 1: and sent me lots of money, and the next thing
Speaker 1: is it's in the book shops and I get rich.
Speaker 1: But that's not how it works, you know. Avrol explained
Speaker 1: that you need an agent who might read your book
Speaker 1: and might not, and it can take years, and you're
Speaker 1: you're an unknown, you know, and so it's not going
Speaker 1: to happen. It's not certainly not going to happen quickly,
Speaker 1: and time wasn't a mys say, because I was retired
Speaker 1: and all of it done. So that's where we went
Speaker 1: self publishing through Amazon because it was quick and Avrol
Speaker 1: knew how to do it.
Speaker 2: So I just let her do it for me, you know.
Speaker 2: And self publishing is kind of a misnomer in a
Speaker 2: sense because you had a lot of help, and I
Speaker 2: know that's important to you that you had a strong
Speaker 2: support system. Yeah, that helped you. You mentioned a few
Speaker 2: of the names, but who mentioned some of the people
Speaker 2: and some of the support that you got along the
Speaker 2: way to make this happen. Well.
Speaker 1: Averrol was the main one, obviously because she knew everything
Speaker 1: about grammar and typesetting and punctuation and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But there's a lady in the local MS support group
Speaker 1: here called Wendy who became my social media manager. So
Speaker 1: everything you see on Facebook and all that stuff Wendy does.
Speaker 1: I still don't know how to do it, she does it.
Speaker 1: So she's been amazing. She loves all that she does.
Speaker 1: Facebook work for for a lot of people, including her
Speaker 1: through her work. So that was that was brilliant and
Speaker 1: amaze encouragement, you know, keeping when I was too tired.
Speaker 1: It's too nice a day, and need you know, there
Speaker 1: was no come on, come on and creating deadlines for
Speaker 1: me and and and the other people who who deserve
Speaker 1: and mentioned because I think the artwork on the covers
Speaker 1: of these two books is really really good, partly because
Speaker 1: I thought of it myself, but also because the people
Speaker 1: called More Visual over in the Leicester, who I found online,
Speaker 1: turned my ideas into the pictures you see on the covers,
Speaker 1: the picture of the Star Ballroom and dance whole days.
Speaker 1: There are no pictures of the Star Ballroom, which was
Speaker 1: a real ballroom, you know. Much was where my mother
Speaker 1: went dancing, and it was in Sidana Avenue opposite where
Speaker 1: she lived, so it was real. But we couldn't find
Speaker 1: any photographs of it. So I told More Visual basic
Speaker 1: art deco ballroom. And I'd seen a picture of a
Speaker 1: on a pub gay book of a pub with the
Speaker 1: yellow lights and a couple in silhouette outside it, and
Speaker 1: I thought I sent them that, and I said I
Speaker 1: wanted to look like this, but an art deco ballroom,
Speaker 1: and then him lighting her cigarette outside, and they got
Speaker 1: it virtually right first time and the second one. The
Speaker 1: crewel this Month, I wanted to look thought was it
Speaker 1: starts off on the left, everything's honky dory, all sweetness
Speaker 1: and light, but then gradually the cake falls apartners from
Speaker 1: that song like MacArthur Park, someone left the cake out
Speaker 1: in the rain and all the sweet there's the green
Speaker 1: icing or whatever. It's falling down and that's all The
Speaker 1: symbols on the front of the Crew this Month become
Speaker 1: very meaningful once you've read the book. The number twenty
Speaker 1: three is very significant. The tree and the stork with
Speaker 1: the baby's obviously, so I'm trying to describe that online
Speaker 1: to somebody that was like move that up a bit,
Speaker 1: move the train over a bit, do this, do that
Speaker 1: so but they were brilliant. So those are those are
Speaker 1: the main support people was Averal Wendy on the on
Speaker 1: the social media side, May and the just general support
Speaker 1: bringing cups of tea and turning your say, turn your
Speaker 1: phone off, get on of that type of stuff, and
Speaker 1: more visual with the artwork on the covers. So I
Speaker 1: learned all of that, and I didn't know how to
Speaker 1: do any of it three or four years ago. So
Speaker 1: Steep learning Curve, but got their second book only took
Speaker 1: took a year a bit compared with four years for
Speaker 1: the first one.
Speaker 2: You're learning. That's a good that's a good thing, you know.
Speaker 2: One of the things that I found particularly interesting in
Speaker 2: odd Well that is your fascination with guitarists and particularly
Speaker 2: blues artists from Muddy Waters, some of the great American
Speaker 2: blues artists showing up in these novels in Northern Ireland.
Speaker 2: What's that about? Tell well that that was.
Speaker 1: Initially had started off. I was looking for names for characters.
Speaker 1: So I've quite a big vinyl collection and I started
Speaker 1: just looking on the on the on the names of
Speaker 1: the bad people band members and the on the records.
Speaker 1: And I love the blues like I grew up listening
Speaker 1: to led Zeppelin and Rordy Gallaher and Rody Galler was
Speaker 1: the only person who played in Belfast during the troubles.
Speaker 1: He did a concert of Christmas every year in the
Speaker 1: Ulster Hall in Belfa and even though we were only
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen sixteen, we went up to see every every
Speaker 1: year went up to see Rory Galler. So I grew up.
Speaker 1: Led Zeppelin was the first intro really and that led
Speaker 1: me towards the Blues. So it was really starting off
Speaker 1: just looking for names for characters, and so it was
Speaker 1: then thought, I'll play a week game here with people
Speaker 1: and just you know, see if anybody ever picks up
Speaker 1: on it. And the only person who so far has
Speaker 1: as a cousin of mine who's a musician. And the
Speaker 1: thing that sparked him was when there was a character
Speaker 1: in the first book called Derek Clapton, so he said, Sam,
Speaker 1: Sam's at his work here He's so he started looking back,
Speaker 1: but he missed a few. He didn't get them all.
Speaker 2: You give us. If you can't give us, give us
Speaker 2: a few of them.
Speaker 1: Sea if you have well, the character called Walter is
Speaker 1: Walter Green, and his father's called Peter, my favorite guitarist,
Speaker 1: maybe Peter Green. There's other there's other people in it,
Speaker 1: like Alvin Lee from ten years ten years after, another
Speaker 1: big band of the sixties sort of thing. I managed.
Speaker 1: I've managed to get blad Boy Fuller in there because
Speaker 1: his real name was Alan Fulton, and Lightning Hopkins in
Speaker 1: there because his real name was Sam Hopkins. So he
Speaker 1: turned out to be a footballer playing for Spurs in
Speaker 1: London who was very fast and known as Lightning. So
Speaker 1: with some of the names like Muddy Waters you couldn't
Speaker 1: put in or Otus Rush, you wouldn't have had anybody
Speaker 1: in him in the fifties called Otus or Muddy or
Speaker 1: blad Lemon. So I had to be careful who use
Speaker 1: and who I couldn't because Otus Rush probably my favorite
Speaker 1: track of all time. It's John Mayle's version of All
Speaker 1: Your Love with Eric Clapton on guitar from the Beano album.
Speaker 1: That's maybe one of my favorite tracks of all time.
Speaker 1: But I couldn't put Otus Rush in the books really,
Speaker 1: although I have managed to get Joe Bonamassa into Book three.
Speaker 2: Okay, great modern guitarist plays quite a bit, Yeah, because your.
Speaker 1: Your home Country in Italy features a bit in Book three,
Speaker 1: so of du Bonamassa and as a as an Italian
Speaker 1: Schoofer's clever.
Speaker 2: You know you say many writers have a process. Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, I was just phill be a Plath. For example,
Speaker 2: we get up at four a m. Because she had children,
Speaker 2: so she could have two or three hours of quiet
Speaker 2: time before they got up.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Many writers do you go? Some goes through a cabin,
Speaker 2: They isolate themselves for weeks or whatever. Is there any
Speaker 2: particular process that you followed to write.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. When I make plans, uh and then May
Speaker 1: would say we have to go to we have to
Speaker 1: go to Tesco's today this morning, or things have real
Speaker 1: life happens. I mean everything else has to be done
Speaker 1: as well. So I try and work in the mornings
Speaker 1: rather than I'm at I'm a morning person. I'd rather
Speaker 1: get up early and work rather than the afternoons. And
Speaker 1: evening's definitely not so. It's it's a few hours here,
Speaker 1: a few hours there. A good day would be would
Speaker 1: be six hours three in the morning. And I've got
Speaker 1: better working in the afternoons simply because the deadlines keep
Speaker 1: looming and your mind gets concentrated. But I have no
Speaker 1: real plan, I have no real system. It's just as
Speaker 1: and when I can, I do, and yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: it seems to work. Okay. I'm quite self motivated that
Speaker 1: I don't need to be pushed that much because I
Speaker 1: want to do it and I love doing it. I'll
Speaker 1: fall in love with writing fiction because just making stuff
Speaker 1: up is fantastic.
Speaker 2: If I want your thoughts on one of my favorite
Speaker 2: quotes from one of my favorite authors Dorothy Parker, who said,
Speaker 2: I hate to write, I love having written. What are you?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that? I I can relate
Speaker 2: to that. It's hard. You got to sit down, you
Speaker 2: got to put time, and it's effort. It's no good.
Speaker 2: And then when you see it and it's on the
Speaker 2: page and you read it, you say, well, maybe it's
Speaker 2: not so bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think actually she's absolutely hit the nail on
Speaker 1: the head. Sometimes it's a slog and you read it,
Speaker 1: and especially that's a scribbling stage, and you read it
Speaker 1: back and you think, what a load of crap, What
Speaker 1: a load of rubbish, And then and then and then
Speaker 1: you move it across to the laptop and it tightens
Speaker 1: up a bit. And then you read that back and
Speaker 1: you think, that's not too bad. And I've had in
Speaker 1: a bit more here, and you know, adding some music
Speaker 1: there and somewhere, you know, but of humor here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's absolutely right. It can be very a
Speaker 1: great slog sometimes. And then there's other times I found
Speaker 1: myself completely in the zone where May would make me
Speaker 1: a cup of tea and it would still be sitting
Speaker 1: there an earlier becau can't stop. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: it's common and like.
Speaker 2: You're just it's like you're consuming.
Speaker 1: Yes, you're right, you're right in there in that room
Speaker 1: with whatever is happening in that time. You're in Yeah,
Speaker 1: wherever you wherever, wherever that but the book is at
Speaker 1: the time, that's where you are. That's when it's great.
Speaker 2: Do you feel there's a common theme or thread that
Speaker 2: runs through your books, and if so, what would it be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been asked. I've been asked us a few
Speaker 1: times obviously, and I think if I have to sum
Speaker 1: it up in a couple of words, it would be
Speaker 1: it's about tenacious love. It's the tenacity that my mother
Speaker 1: showed not two take the easy path, uh, and the
Speaker 1: tenacity she showed for other people in her life. It's
Speaker 1: given too much away with what happens in the books.
Speaker 1: It's just the strength of her love for her mother,
Speaker 1: for her children, for her husband. And they say she
Speaker 1: wouldn't she didn't see that as being anything special, but
Speaker 1: I thought it was amazing. So it's it's it's really
Speaker 1: a lot. It's really a love story, and I think
Speaker 1: take from it. Never give up. As a phrase here
Speaker 1: in Northern Ironder Island generally is keep her let just
Speaker 1: keep going and just do what you have to do.
Speaker 1: And that's what she did. Got up every day, did
Speaker 1: what you have to do, went to bed, got up
Speaker 1: the next day and did it all again. And I
Speaker 1: think it's that it's keep going, but it's it's her tenacity,
Speaker 1: the tenacity of her love for for everybody that that
Speaker 1: she could touch.
Speaker 2: Wonderful, great theme, Sam, we can take a little bit
Speaker 2: of a break. We come back and we got to
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about your philanthropy, your your connection
Speaker 2: to and we touched on it, but how you donate
Speaker 2: all your money, how you sell your books not only
Speaker 2: on Amazon, but actively and proactively at book fairs and markets,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And talk about your new work. You're continuing
Speaker 2: the trilogy. So then we talk a little bit about
Speaker 2: that when we come back from the break. My very
Speaker 2: special guest is author Sam Young with two books, Dance
Speaker 2: All Days and The Cruelest Month. What a wonderful conversation
Speaker 2: we have having. It's truly I like to call it
Speaker 2: an intelligent conversation. And this certainly is this is being Frank.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, FRANKL Borna. I don't go anywhere yet
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Speaker 2: click and you're there. We're back with the author of
Speaker 2: Dance Whole Days in the Cruelest Month. And keep in mind,
Speaker 2: all proceeds from the all of those novels go to
Speaker 2: MS Research. So welcome back. Say I'm young We've had
Speaker 2: a wonderful first half of our conversation, interesting and fun,
Speaker 2: so let's continue again. You're committed to all proceeds going
Speaker 2: to MS research.
Speaker 1: Explain that, Well, maybe we mentioned earlier, Frank, my mother
Speaker 1: died on a Monday in September twenty nineteen, and the
Speaker 1: following Wednesday, two days later, my wife May was diagnosed
Speaker 1: with MS, and it was the only meeting with her
Speaker 1: consultants and trying to find out what was causing her
Speaker 1: the symptoms that you had. It was the only meeting
Speaker 1: I missed because I was writing my mother's eulogy at
Speaker 1: the time for the funeral on the Friday. So that
Speaker 1: was a really bad week. But I knew I was
Speaker 1: going to write the books anyway, and when May was diagnosed,
Speaker 1: it just it was just a late ball moment that
Speaker 1: whatever money I make from this, if it's one book
Speaker 1: and we make one pound, I'm going to give it
Speaker 1: to MS Research because I have no interest in doing
Speaker 1: sponsored walks or jumping out of aeroplanes or a sailing
Speaker 1: down the Eiffel Tower or doing anything like that. So
Speaker 1: I was going to do this, and I was hoping
Speaker 1: we could sell a few and make some money. And
Speaker 1: that that just happened instantly before I'd written a word,
Speaker 1: because I didn't start writing until I retired, didn't start
Speaker 1: writing until twenty twenty, So that was a that was
Speaker 1: a that was a done deal. That's my favorite pun
Speaker 1: is a novel way of fundraising. It's it's hopefully a
Speaker 1: bit different and I've put the effort in and it's yeah,
Speaker 1: the rewards are there and it's it's been it's been great.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just May's diagnosis at the same time
Speaker 1: as my mother day.
Speaker 2: It just seemed obvious, no same, And we're going to
Speaker 2: give the information that the books are available via Amazon.
Speaker 2: But you also have a unique way, a personal way
Speaker 2: of selling books, uh that I'm sure is effective, But
Speaker 2: I think you also like it beyond the idea of
Speaker 2: just selling the books because I think you like to
Speaker 2: meet people as well in exchange stores. I kind of
Speaker 2: just get that feeling. So you sell them at book
Speaker 2: fairs and marketplaces and malls and explain that a.
Speaker 1: Little bit well again that that sort of was May's
Speaker 1: influence in that we have a local shop it's a spa,
Speaker 1: and you have spars shops in America or eurospars or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it's a grocery store, decent size of a place
Speaker 1: you can get everything type of shop. And we've we've
Speaker 1: been going there for quite a long time, so we've
Speaker 1: got to know the staff and the manager and stuff.
Speaker 1: And it was when Dance All Days came out and
Speaker 1: May asked Stevie the manager, husband's written a book, is
Speaker 1: given all the money to MS, could we sell some
Speaker 1: in the shop here, and he said, yeah, whenever you like,
Speaker 1: come down some Saturday morning, I'll set up a table
Speaker 1: for you. And that's that was the very first time
Speaker 1: we did that. We bought boxes of books off Amazon,
Speaker 1: which we can get at cost price, so it's the
Speaker 1: most profitable way of doing it because we still sell
Speaker 1: them at ten pounds even though we're buying them at
Speaker 1: think four or something. So there's a lot more there
Speaker 1: than royalties from Amazon for online seals, but they're a
Speaker 1: lot less work. So yeah, it was the first time
Speaker 1: we did it. We just set some pile of books
Speaker 1: up on the table and people come in and I started,
Speaker 1: you know, doing what we're doing in an hour here.
Speaker 1: I tried to get that into thirty seconds. You've got
Speaker 1: eye contact, you're trying, you know, you elect to buy
Speaker 1: a good, good book. What can I tell you about
Speaker 1: the book? And then I started telling them and amazingly
Speaker 1: people started giving me ten points and taking a book.
Speaker 1: And that was a great feeling. Was it was up
Speaker 1: there with the first time I got a proof copy
Speaker 1: in my hands with my book with my name on it.
Speaker 1: Because seeing people walking around the shop with my book
Speaker 1: in their basket.
Speaker 2: And what does it feel like? What does this feel like?
Speaker 1: It was amazing because like I was going round and
Speaker 1: in the queue, when we were at the end, we said, look,
Speaker 1: that's my book. That's my book in her shopping bass,
Speaker 1: beside the tomatoes and the bacon and the stuff. That's
Speaker 1: she has my book in there. So it was it
Speaker 1: was an incredible feeling and blossom from there. We we
Speaker 1: we ended up last year we even got a stall.
Speaker 1: There's a very very famous market in Belfast call Saint
Speaker 1: George's Market. It's a permanent craft and food and stuff market,
Speaker 1: arts and everything, and it's where a lot of tourists
Speaker 1: where it's on the tourist trail because it's a it's
Speaker 1: a big thing. The cruise ships come in and one
Speaker 1: of the stops us in Georgia's Market, so we even
Speaker 1: got a stall in there one Saturday, and people a
Speaker 1: bit are really really keen because once I explained to
Speaker 1: the manager of the market what it was all about
Speaker 1: and what we were doing, it gave us a stall
Speaker 1: for nothing for the whole day.
Speaker 2: And the only.
Speaker 1: Difficulty was in Georgie's market was really hard to get to,
Speaker 1: you know, to hold the books to the market.
Speaker 2: Was even all the books to clear carrying the books
Speaker 2: in the books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, then we we started asking garden centers
Speaker 1: of their shops and although we we go und all
Speaker 1: the other MS support groups in Northern Ireland, we go
Speaker 1: to their meetings or their Christmas lunches, their whatever and
Speaker 1: sell books there. And as you said, I just I
Speaker 1: just loved the banter. I love the crack of chatting
Speaker 1: to people. You've got literally ten or fifteen, twenty thirty
Speaker 1: seconds maybe to explain everything to them. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: all the all the all the you can make on
Speaker 1: Black Freddy with a special deal, like they're ten pounds
Speaker 1: each or two for twenty and you can see them,
Speaker 1: you can see their mains going two for twenty. That's
Speaker 1: a good day.
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know, that's you know, we've got to
Speaker 4: let people know they don't necessarily have to fly to
Speaker 4: Belfast to get your not well.
Speaker 2: It is available on aage to well. So we're going
Speaker 2: to give that information in just a minute. But I
Speaker 2: know you're also working. Then this is part of the
Speaker 2: first two books will be part of a trilogy, right,
Speaker 2: you're working. They're all related, as I understand. So the
Speaker 2: third book tell us about that that's in the works, correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was working on that today when when you
Speaker 1: contacted me, I.
Speaker 2: Rually interrupted you because the time was off because you
Speaker 2: guys are on a whole different schedule over there in
Speaker 2: UK we are here.
Speaker 1: But then I wasn't sleeping. I was actually I was
Speaker 1: actually trying to write stuff. But yeah, so book three
Speaker 1: are there are a trilogy. They're all the same story.
Speaker 1: They're all my mother's story. It's like I said, dance
Speaker 1: whole days. I only got to nineteen fifty so and
Speaker 1: it started in nineteen forty six. So the second one,
Speaker 1: the Cruelest Month, goes from there right up to nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy seven, which was was another hugely traumatic event in
Speaker 1: the mother's life, and it ends there and then the
Speaker 1: last part is from nineteen seventy seven up until her
Speaker 1: death in twenty nineteen. So I mean, I know how
Speaker 1: it ends, and I know what happens in between.
Speaker 2: I haven't working title for against Sam for the third.
Speaker 1: Working title is going to be something like it because
Speaker 1: it's going to be a bit more upbeat maybe than
Speaker 1: the first, because you know, her life was tough, so
Speaker 1: it's going to be a bit more happy. And so
Speaker 1: it's going to be golden years or glory years because
Speaker 1: it was dancehold Days and then cruelest months. So it's
Speaker 1: going to be something years but glory or golden or
Speaker 1: something upbeat and optimistic because the end of her life
Speaker 1: was incredible.
Speaker 2: Finished on a high note. Yes, very much. So again,
Speaker 2: let's tell people without flying to a market in Belfast
Speaker 2: or without doing that and would you.
Speaker 5: Have Australia Italy believe it or not. But most of
Speaker 5: them are here in little Old Rockland County, New York,
Speaker 5: so they don't have to fly there. How can they
Speaker 5: get the book for Amazon or or order or order elsewhere?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: Well, Amazon, yeah, is they is the source. I think
Speaker 1: if you just search on Amazon for Dancehole Days and
Speaker 1: Danceholds All one word by Sam Young or the cruis month,
Speaker 1: Sam Young, I have the numbers, but do you want
Speaker 1: to read out the numbers? That is there any point not?
Speaker 2: You can certainly if people will prepare them, guys, if
Speaker 2: you have a penhandy, and we can also give that
Speaker 2: information also afterwards when we shared online via Facebook, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, well, yeah, Dancehall days is one O six.
Speaker 1: It's six four three one o two okay, Amazon correct publishing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Churls month is one O six at six four
Speaker 1: I see him three one one zero.
Speaker 2: Great? And when when do you anticipate the publishing the
Speaker 2: third in the trilogy?
Speaker 1: Hopefully towards the end of the summer, early early autumn
Speaker 1: or the fall, sorry, early fall.
Speaker 2: And we'll look forward, Sam Young, author, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: This is really truly intelligent conversation being frank in every
Speaker 2: sense of the word. Appreciate it, Sam, all the way
Speaker 2: from Eric Fergus, Ireland. I think I said it right.
Speaker 2: I got closed.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Frank, thank you.
Speaker 2: It's my pleasure. Don't go anywhere yet, because keeping with
Speaker 2: your your renaissance ideal of doing many things, you're now
Speaker 2: a rap artist and you've got your work on a
Speaker 2: rap so I'm gonna let you introduce that as a
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Speaker 2: I always leave you with a little extra. At the end,
Speaker 2: Sam is going to introduce his MS rap I call it.
Speaker 2: But before that, yeah, an Irish proverb that I think
Speaker 2: kind of suits our conversation, at least part of it.
Speaker 2: And if you if you read between the lines, and
Speaker 2: you'll understand what it means. And it says many a
Speaker 2: good tree grew on shallow ground, and that means it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter where you're from, as long as you're a
Speaker 2: good person. That's what counts. At least that's what I
Speaker 2: take from it.
Speaker 1: Are you calling me shallow? No?
Speaker 2: After that conversation, No way, all right, explain a little bit. Now,
Speaker 2: now you're into rapping and you've got this rap song
Speaker 2: to raise more money for MS, tell us a little
Speaker 2: bit about it and then we'll hear it.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was. I was dueling one day and
Speaker 1: started writing down words that rimed with slurtosis and I
Speaker 1: ended up there was There was actually quite a few.
Speaker 1: So I just thought that sounds like like a rap song.
Speaker 1: I'm not into rap music at all, but so yeah,
Speaker 1: I came up with us this.
Speaker 2: Anybody that can rhyme anything with sclerosis.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's a lot of words, right you can make well,
Speaker 1: even if the words doesn't rhyme with slerosis, I ended
Speaker 1: them in USUS.
Speaker 2: So I'm not I think people are going to get
Speaker 2: a kick out of it, and I'm sure they'll understand
Speaker 2: where it's coming from. And again what it's not complete.
Speaker 2: This is a market model, if you will. By the way,
Speaker 2: Sam's looking for engineers, if anybody who wants to tackle
Speaker 2: this as a project.
Speaker 1: Rap artists, strop artist ring Frank.
Speaker 2: There you go, contact me. We'll put you in touch
Speaker 2: with Sam and man, that could be something really special. Well,
Speaker 2: I really want to thank you again, Sam, Really is
Speaker 2: this has been a pleasure, a really enjoyable and informative program.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you Frank.
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