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<v Speaker 1>Bill Cunningham, the great American. Of course. Leland Bitterer frequent

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<v Speaker 1>guests of the Bill Cunningham Shows, one of the main anchors, commentators, etc.

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<v Speaker 1>Of News Nation Monday through Friday. They've talked for politics

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<v Speaker 1>and so many other issues. And Leland Bidder, welcome again

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<v Speaker 1>to The Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, are

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<v Speaker 1>you somewhat amazed over the past ten days to two

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<v Speaker 1>weeks the rise of Kamala Harris. In fact, she's given

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<v Speaker 1>no news conferences. I'm not sure she could defend her

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<v Speaker 1>liberal record to a Midwestern audience. But if somebody had

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<v Speaker 1>told you two weeks ago that the Democratic nominee is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be at or past Donald Trump, would you

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<v Speaker 1>have believed that what's.

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<v Speaker 2>Happened, Well, don't want to say we predicted it, but

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<v Speaker 2>the meteor rise is because of the turning into the

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<v Speaker 2>first living saint in here, right. So there has been

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<v Speaker 2>a coronation. There was a coronation of her as the nominee,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there was quickly identification of her as the

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<v Speaker 2>savior politician. And you rightly point out she has given

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<v Speaker 2>no news conferences. She is becoming effectively if you listen

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<v Speaker 2>to her stump speeches. She's tried to walk back a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of her positions, whether it be on healthcare or

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<v Speaker 2>the border, or crime or whatever it is. She's becoming

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<v Speaker 2>an empty vessel in the same way that Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 2>was in twenty twenty. It's a it's a non COVID

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<v Speaker 2>version of the basement strategy, which is to allow people

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<v Speaker 2>to grasph on to her whatever feelings they have that

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<v Speaker 2>are anything but Donald Trump. And to be fair, we

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<v Speaker 2>said for a long time leading up to this that

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<v Speaker 2>whichever party replaced the unpopular I met, unfavorability candidate that

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<v Speaker 2>was at the top of their ticket, that'd be neither

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<v Speaker 2>Biden or Trump. Whichever party did that was going to get.

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<v Speaker 1>A huge And in Kamala Harris's case, I've heard some

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<v Speaker 1>of the commentators on News Nation and elsewhere and elsewhere said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a honeymoon phase, and this is a sugar high,

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<v Speaker 1>and what's going to happen come end of October, first

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<v Speaker 1>week in November. It's going to be different. And I

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<v Speaker 1>see o contreer Mone Freyer, which is an Olympic reference.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, not necessarily because I watched Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time hide out in his basement, not

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<v Speaker 1>conduct interviews, not campaign at all, Ridolf a few teleprompters.

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<v Speaker 1>He got eighty one million votes and Trumpster got seventy

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<v Speaker 1>four million, and it's about seventy thousand votes was the

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<v Speaker 1>real difference in the five or six states and he won. So,

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris will not be required by the so called

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream me to sit down for an interview with you

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<v Speaker 1>or any of the other cable news giants, because it's

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<v Speaker 1>not in her injuries to do so. And if Trump

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<v Speaker 1>or someone like that had not given any interviews for

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<v Speaker 1>like fourteen days, by the time at the end the

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<v Speaker 1>convention rolls around, is going to be almost thirty days,

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<v Speaker 1>there'd be a countdown clock. CNN, MSNBC, maybe News Nation,

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<v Speaker 1>Fox would have a countdown clock. This is how long

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican has not sat down for a broadcast interview.

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<v Speaker 2>But in her case, well, to be fair, we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it on the show almost every night. What day

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<v Speaker 2>it is that she has not given an interview or

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<v Speaker 2>have or forget an interview, had a meaningful interaction with

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<v Speaker 2>the press. And when you talk to her supporters they

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<v Speaker 2>give you varying answers for that none of them answered

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<v Speaker 2>the key question, which is what is she afraid of?

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<v Speaker 2>We saw and I don't know if you've played this

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<v Speaker 2>clip for your listeners yet, but last night when she

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<v Speaker 2>was on the tarmac and Andrews, she had to give

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<v Speaker 2>unscripted remarks. And when the hostages came home and all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, the woman, who I think any fair

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<v Speaker 2>arbiter of political skill would have to say a political

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<v Speaker 2>acumen has gotten a lot better on the teleprompter, which

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<v Speaker 2>she has, was right back to the circular word salads

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<v Speaker 2>of Kamala Harris's past. That was last That was on

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<v Speaker 2>what would be Thursday night into Friday morning. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think you hit the nail on the head, which is

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<v Speaker 2>once she has been deified, then she becomes untouchable.

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<v Speaker 1>And at this point she is and I can't conceive.

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<v Speaker 1>I look for the next week, getting ready in the

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<v Speaker 1>next few days we're going to have the the and

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk with you about this. The Democratic

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<v Speaker 1>VP nominee on paper, I said, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Kelly, Senator Arizona or Josh Shapiro. Those are the two.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm watching on many cable channels how the radical

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<v Speaker 1>left does not want Josh Shapiro because he's a Jew.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm watching these emails and these texts and these

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok videos about he's a Jew, support of Israel, and

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<v Speaker 1>to me, being a Jew is a positive thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>practiced law in a Jewey's law firm for twenty years,

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<v Speaker 1>currently broaden my experiences. I went to Israel, as you

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<v Speaker 1>know last year. I love going there. I have great

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<v Speaker 1>respect for the Jewish people. My boss is a Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>carpenter and I have great respect. But there's an element,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's the AOC element, Maybe it's the extreme element

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<v Speaker 1>of the Democrat party that want to hold his faith

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<v Speaker 1>against him because he's going to hurt him in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you offended by the fact that we have a

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<v Speaker 1>religious test by Democrat leftists They don't want Shapiro because

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<v Speaker 1>he's a Jew.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I live in washing DC. It takes an awful

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<v Speaker 2>lot to get me offended. What I will say is

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<v Speaker 2>I think it is quite interesting and to be I

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<v Speaker 2>think sayer and give credit where credit is due. Adam

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<v Speaker 2>Schiff and Moskowitz, the congressman I believe Florida, called out

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<v Speaker 2>their own party on this, and they said the progressive

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<v Speaker 2>say they don't want a Jew, say it out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>Number one and number two to your point, can you

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<v Speaker 2>imagine if this was a different minority that the Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>were discriminated against. Somehow, discriminating against Jews is the only

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<v Speaker 2>one that is okay. I think this will tell us

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<v Speaker 2>a lot about where Kamala Harris's head is. Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>is a political operator. We know that it does not

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<v Speaker 2>appear as though she has any true norse. She seems

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<v Speaker 2>to have some deeply progressive personal views, but appears willing

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<v Speaker 2>to vacillate on the issues as she sees it and

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<v Speaker 2>sees an opportunity. Why she ran to the left in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, which she had her own presidential campaign. Now

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<v Speaker 2>she's trying to run to the center in a general

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<v Speaker 2>election campaign. I think if she kicks Josh Shapiro will

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<v Speaker 2>tell us an off a lot, and if she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>pick Josh Shapiro, it will tell us an awful lot

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<v Speaker 2>both ways. So in a way, being president about leadership,

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<v Speaker 2>this we will get a real sense of her leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>She has props with the radical left in her party.

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<v Speaker 1>She came out of San Francisco. You know, on paper,

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody would say to Leyland Vetter, we have, without

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<v Speaker 1>a name or a gena, we have a candidate who's

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<v Speaker 1>been a city prosecutor, who's been a county prosecutor, who's

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<v Speaker 1>spent an attorney general, who's been a United States Senator,

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<v Speaker 1>and who's been a Vice president. You would say, without

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<v Speaker 1>reference to party, gender, or race, that's a qualified person.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's true. On the other hand, if I would

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<v Speaker 1>say to Leland Vinter, there's a candidate without reference to

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<v Speaker 1>gender or race, who most of her life opposed fracking,

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<v Speaker 1>supported the Green New Deal, defunded the police, in private

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<v Speaker 1>health insurance, transgenders in locker rooms in high school, having

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<v Speaker 1>the government pay for gender reassignment surgery in California state prisons,

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<v Speaker 1>to calls for an eighty percent tax rate, wants to

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<v Speaker 1>eliminate automobiles that are not evs. Wants an open Southern border.

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<v Speaker 1>She wants illegals voting, she wants criminals to vote from prisons.

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<v Speaker 1>You would say, basically, that person is unelectable. So on

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<v Speaker 1>one hand, you have the Democrats see this extremely on

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<v Speaker 1>paper qualified candidate. But on the other side, her policies

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<v Speaker 1>over the last really thirty years of her life have

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<v Speaker 1>been on the far left joining the Democratic Party. So

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<v Speaker 1>our average voter is going to focus on all these

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<v Speaker 1>qualifications job wise or are they going to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>her policies, which is to the left of Bernie Sanders.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've said Leland Villart, she's like Bernie Sanders with

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<v Speaker 1>lipstick and high heels. And the American people would say,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want that, and so is it which is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Sarah Palin got an awful lot of lass with

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<v Speaker 2>the line just like that in two thousand and eight, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and it did not work out so well for her

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<v Speaker 2>or Republicans. And I would warn Republicans that they have

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<v Speaker 2>a candidate who is now historically unpopular. It was that

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden was historically unpopular. Now they have the historically

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<v Speaker 2>unpopular and older candidate who is prone to say things,

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<v Speaker 2>uh that, shall we say, get coverage for for the

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<v Speaker 2>wrong reasons or no, or get or get a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of coverage that is all negative. Joe Biden and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the past couple of months said a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>They got him a lot of negative coverage, and Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is now saying things they get him a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of negative coverage. The American people are looky, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and told us over and over again, are looking for

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<v Speaker 2>something different. And what Kamala Harris is providing with the

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<v Speaker 2>help of the media, no question about it, is something different.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's a lot of people who are quite excited

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<v Speaker 2>about that. And I think any fair look at this

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<v Speaker 2>has to include that did Republicans picked Donald Trump knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that he was historically unpopular with with moderates and independence

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<v Speaker 2>and then Donald Trump two weeks ago? I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we talked when I was at the conventions. Pick jd

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<v Speaker 2>Vance could have could have pick Nicki Haley, could have

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<v Speaker 2>picked Marco Rubio, could have picked Doug Bergham, and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>tick jd Vance doubled down, and there was an awful

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people at the conventions scratching their heads, going,

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<v Speaker 2>what in the world does he add? And now there's

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<v Speaker 2>an awful lot of people scratching their heads going, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>what in the world did he do? And these are

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans that I'm talking.

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<v Speaker 1>To Leland Venter and I for disclosure, I've been friends

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<v Speaker 1>with jd Vance for a long time, have dinner with him,

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<v Speaker 1>met him eight years ago. A little bit of the

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<v Speaker 1>story in Butler County Ohio, which is the county directly

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<v Speaker 1>north of Hamilton County and the Butler County. GOP wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to have him to be their Lincoln Day Reagan Day

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<v Speaker 1>speaker about eight years ago. It was twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said to the organizers of that, can you

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<v Speaker 1>get Cunningham to come? He and I can bat around

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<v Speaker 1>my book. He'll billy allergy. I said, I'm not good

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<v Speaker 1>at public speaking, and I don't want to like speak,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, And I thought, I said, okay, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the guy. I said, I I'll go meet with him.

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<v Speaker 1>And we sat up there with one of three hundred people.

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<v Speaker 1>I had the book. I read it one over a

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<v Speaker 1>chapter and it was a good presentation, and he thanked me.

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<v Speaker 1>And since then we struck up a friendship and I

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<v Speaker 1>liked the guy a lot. He was largely unknown on

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<v Speaker 1>the national scene. Believe it or not. Kamala Harris was also,

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<v Speaker 1>until the last two weeks unknown on the national scene.

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<v Speaker 1>News nations sent out reporters to people to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Kamala Harris, what has she done right? Give me one thing?

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, it's a blank stare. So when JD

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<v Speaker 1>was announced, they sent planeloads and bus loads of reporters

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<v Speaker 1>were at Yale Law School twenty years ago that is negative,

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<v Speaker 1>and they reported the negative stuff. The life story of JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Vance is the American dream, the American success story. Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, led to a middle class lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 1>She at one point claimed to be an Indian American

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<v Speaker 2>Still you seem to be under the mistaken impression that facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Matter, Well, well they should. I want each candidate to

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<v Speaker 1>be scrutinized by the media by the standards of Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Palin and JD. Vance. But that doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What can can you just can you just imagine well,

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<v Speaker 2>look all we didn't get to the National Association of

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<v Speaker 2>Black Journalists, but can you just imagine for a second, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>if a white journalist had gone after and frankly, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was it was rude, and I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was inappropriate the way the reporter Rachel Scott ABC, Rachel

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<v Speaker 2>Scott went after went after Donald Trump, just just in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of decorum, because the presidential nominee. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>former president. There's you can ask tough questions, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can do so respectfully. You can follow up, you can

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<v Speaker 2>do so respectfully. You know she was. She was there

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<v Speaker 2>to make a point. You and I both done interviews

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<v Speaker 2>to make points. We know what it's like. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>what was happening. Can you imagine if a white reporter,

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<v Speaker 2>a white male reporter, did that.

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<v Speaker 1>Tamala Harris, well, the section, the gender the reporter would

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<v Speaker 1>be the main story, not the question. The question was

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<v Speaker 1>asking such a way that couldn't be answered. And if

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<v Speaker 1>and if he was, said, Rachel, I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here to talk about the policies I've had that

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<v Speaker 1>positive impact the black community when I was in office,

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<v Speaker 1>talk about HBCUs, talk about enterprise zones, talk about appointments.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't do that. They set out the bait and

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<v Speaker 1>he lashed onto it like a tuna and ran with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I could not conceive of Kamala Harris ever going

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<v Speaker 1>to an NRA meeting or Right to Life society and

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there. She wouldn't put herself there because maybe she's

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<v Speaker 1>better politically, but that Donald likes going into nasty environments.

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<v Speaker 1>And interchanging in fisticuffs, which results in the occasional low

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<v Speaker 1>information voter to think about feelings more than facts. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you say to me, well, Billy, you're constrained by

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<v Speaker 1>the facts, yes, and the feelings about this. Many women especially,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, most women are like some men, who care

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<v Speaker 1>about the feelings and the presentation and the gender and

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<v Speaker 1>the race, not the facts. If I line up the

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<v Speaker 1>facts of what she said in the past, she's unelectable.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're not going to get to the facts because

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<v Speaker 1>because Donald Trump went to the napj and that reaction

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<v Speaker 1>is all that matters, not facts. Care about facts. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you care about facts. Many care about feelings. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why Donald Trump might lose, is that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>play to the crowd that demands a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>feelings and touch and feel and respect. Remember Bill Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>could feel your pain. He understood you completely. You'll never

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<v Speaker 1>get that from Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, Donald Trump sells himself as the master of

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<v Speaker 2>the art of the deal and the master and the

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of the media. And we'll see. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>old enough to remember twenty sixteen when there was a

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<v Speaker 2>moment after the access Hollywood take the grabber by the

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<v Speaker 2>fee take and guess what everybody said, Oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>it can't recover, and on and on, and he did

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<v Speaker 2>and he won. So we've got a long time between

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<v Speaker 2>now and November. Things change, Okay, I would return. I

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<v Speaker 2>make no casinist versions on JD. Vans As as a person,

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<v Speaker 2>and you said he's the epitomed the American dreams. Great, Okay, Now,

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<v Speaker 2>whether that makes you qualified to be president of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States? Okay? Which is the job of vice presidents

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<v Speaker 2>to be ready to be president? And whether he could

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<v Speaker 2>connect with American people and convince them of that, And

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<v Speaker 2>whether he, as a both in terms of policy and

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of that ability, is able to connect with

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<v Speaker 2>the people that Donald Trump can't to win two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and seventy electoral votes. Those are two very different conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>And the other issue is I look at nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>eight when Bush forty one picked a person, Dan Quail

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<v Speaker 1>of Indiana, that the media pummeled, and Bush forty one

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<v Speaker 1>still won easily over Michael Dukakis, who who was behind

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<v Speaker 1>VP's honestly don't matter. The only time it might have mattered.

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<v Speaker 1>Was nineteen sixty when LBJ brought Texas to Kennedy that

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<v Speaker 1>might have mattered. But other than that, but Jdi Vance

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<v Speaker 1>is the real deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, I'm going to disagree with it. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to disagree with you on when whether VP matters. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>give you two other points that it matters. One it

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<v Speaker 2>mattered in two thousand and eight, there were a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who were uncomfortable with the idea of Sarah

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<v Speaker 2>Palin being one heart beat away from the presidency. What

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<v Speaker 2>it was very old heart in John McCain and I

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<v Speaker 2>would argue that now, especially given Trump stage, Biden dropping out,

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<v Speaker 2>and the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, the public's focus

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<v Speaker 2>on the concept of the VP. Am I comfortable with

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<v Speaker 2>this person? It has changed. And look, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>can talk about how many you know, millions of votes,

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<v Speaker 2>tens of millions, hundreds of millions of votes will be cast.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all true. As you pointed out, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand to two hundred thousand votes that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to decide this, right right, Okay, So what you really

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<v Speaker 2>have to think about, what are you going to make

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<v Speaker 2>those people on the margins, those hundred thousand people who

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<v Speaker 2>are truly on the margins make their decisions, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think it is it's it's perfectly acceptable, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat naive to assume that they make the decisions, their

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<v Speaker 2>decisions on the same point and give the same weight

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<v Speaker 2>to things that people who are diehard supporters of either

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<v Speaker 1>Anything could affect it, and maybe the event to determine

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<v Speaker 1>this election has not happened yet, something could happen the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of this month or September October that everything we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about means nothing, and something's going to occur of

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<v Speaker 1>some other nasty bomb goes off somewhere and all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, everything we've discussed means nothing. In America may

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<v Speaker 1>want a tough guy instead of Kamala Harris. On the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, we don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>What about a couple what about another couple of nasty

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<v Speaker 1>That's the markets then meltdown. That's a bad thing too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not And Kamala Harris owns everything in the Bide administration,

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<v Speaker 1>plus her her background, her policy backgrounds is far left wing,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe that's another issue. So all right, Leland, we

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna give you one more thing. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to Kamala Harris's stump spyed, listen to the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We're fair our news nation. We broadcast rallies from both sides.

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<v Speaker 2>Notice the one thing she doesn't say in her stump speech.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what that is?

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<v Speaker 1>Immigration Joe Biden. Yeah, she's separating, not last night, but

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<v Speaker 1>she's separating from Joe Biden because he's so unpopular. And

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<v Speaker 1>last night was that was bad. I mean to look

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<v Speaker 1>at Joe Biden like eleven thirty or midnight, that's bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And she that's a pre phone calls, that was And

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<v Speaker 1>if he steps down, she becomes the president acting president.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we've got a whole new set of things and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see what well. Leland Vender, thanks for keeping the

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<v Speaker 1>lines of communication open. Good luck to you, and have

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<v Speaker 1>a great weekend. Thank you, Thank you, my friend, God

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<v Speaker 1>bless you. Let's continue with more your reaction five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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