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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in everybody. It is time for full

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court press. We missed you guys yesterday. Of course, the

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only day we're not doing a show right now is Sunday.

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Speaker 2: We're here with you six days a week.

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Speaker 1: Who knows, maybe once the tournament starts we'll get a

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Sunday show going as well, because I.

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Speaker 2: Missed talking ball with you guys on the one.

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Speaker 1: Day a week we don't do a show, but Robino. Yesterday,

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I was in Wilmington, North Carolina for Charleston UNC Wilmington.

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You texted me and you were like, is that place

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as crazy as it sounds on TV? And I can

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confirm yes, it definitely is phenomenal atmosphere. I don't quite know,

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still trying to wrap my head around how UNC Wilmington

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kind of blew that game, But fortunately for me, I

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didn't have any action in that game, so I was

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just able to enjoy the although I think I would

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have liked to see them win because there was a

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lot of stunned looks on faces with people leaving Trask.

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I don't think anyone could quite understand how they let

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that game slip away.

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Speaker 2: But I had Bradley yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Minus four my only play for Sunday was a winner

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three and two on Saturday. So a pretty good weekend

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for me. Finished the month strong. Great month of February.

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How was the weekend for you?

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Speaker 2: Robino?

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Speaker 3: Weekend was good? We picked up about eight units, including

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a three and oh. Yesterday started with the Ohio State

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perdue game over the total little flurry last ninety seconds

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two minutes got us there rather comfortably, so we'll take

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it Southern Illinois. Of course, I faded the back to

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back situation for Evansville, which was put in a horrible

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You know, they win in dramatic fashion the day before

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on their home court, then at the take on Southern

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Illinois with seeding implications the very next day. Give Evansville credit. Boy,

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you know, I don't know, seven minutes left in the game,

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it was tied and Southern Illinois has seen a thirteen

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point lead evaporate. But Evansville fatigue showed up last four

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minutes of that game. I think SIU outscored that maybe

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fourteen nothing to end the game covered pretty easily in

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the end, and then at nighttime wrapped it up with

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Wichitas State in utsa over. The total got there by

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about a point and a half. They got to one

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fifty one on them, just picking on Utsa's defense again,

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been a pretty successful thing so far this year. But

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that game is the reason why I actually kind of

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missed some of that Charleston comeback, like when I switched

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over because I'm like, well, I got interested in switch

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to state game. Let me see what's going on. When

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I switched over, you and see Wilmington had that game

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in hand, pretty much in control, and when I turned

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it back, Charleston actually.

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Speaker 2: Had the lead.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Counter had been going crazy in that game, and

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I guess credit to Chris Mack, who you know, made

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a little adjustment got Counter these matchups one on one

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where he just started nailing everything inside. So big win

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for Charleston. Sets up for a really solid tournament in

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the Coastal. Gotta be careful not to call it the

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Colonial the Coastal. And yes, boy on TV, Trask was

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hopping when ND see Wilmington was doing the right thing.

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But in the end, you're right, they were panning in

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on some very very said teal shirted miserable looking faces,

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not even miserable, just disbelief type faces in that arena

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last night.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a great game. I hope we get

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the rubber match in the CIA tournament. That's the one

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nice deal really in the grand scheme of things for Wilmington.

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Speaker 2: They can still win the league if they win tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: So but you know, the reason I wanted to sort

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of touch on that game for a minute, Rob, is

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because you were way ahead, I mean you, Charleston was.

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I think I wrote them all, I mean by a lot.

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A lot of people were saying they wouldn't factor into

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that league, like come like late December, right because you

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still had everyone high on Wilmington. You had all the

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people high on Tows and Hawser was playing good ball,

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and you were like, I remember on this show you said,

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Hickman's back, Doug in his back, Chris Mack is gonna

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have this team playing much better basketball. And now there

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was a with that win last night, there is a

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mathematical scenario.

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Speaker 2: Well it's very simple.

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Speaker 1: Will a Wilmington loss and a Charleston win on Tuesday

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would I think either give them the like a share

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of the league, or give them the league. So shout

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out to you for being way ahead of Charleston sort

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of like becoming because again they lost you know, mister

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Dean out early in the year getting around some injuries,

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but they've become I would say one A, one B

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with Wilmington in that league, and it'll be exciting CAA tournament.

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Conference tournaments start today and we are absolutely gonna hit

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the one conference tournament game. But first, the way Monday

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is gonna lay out for you the final Monday that

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is kind of like the you know what we mock

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during the league season, where it's like two huge games,

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a handful of extra board, and then like not much else.

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That's what we're getting today. We've got two monster games

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we're gonna start the show with. We have one conference

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tournament game, and then we have the Big Sky, the

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Southland and I think the the Miak and the Swack

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finishing up their lead play. But it'll make for a

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good discs, good discussion the next fifty five minutes. And Rob,

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you know, we have to start in the Big twelve

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because the Big twelve has produced so many monster games

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this year. It seems like there's a top seems like

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every Monday we have a top ten matchup in the

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Big twelve, and tonight is no different. We have Iowa

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State heading out to Arizona.

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Speaker 2: Rob I.

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Speaker 1: This weekend I spent a lot of time talking with

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my buddy Dan, who is sort of like, he's really

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good at playing contests and like March Madness and finding

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game theory and strategy in bracket pools, and and and

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he's he like wins March Madness pools. I never have

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won a March Madness pool. I should probably just start

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tailing him. But the where I'm going with this is

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we start to look at the field, and we had

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a conversation about kind of like fraud contenders, and Iowa

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State came up in that conversation. Arizona we both consider

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to be a big time contender to win it all.

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you had them power rated one very early in the

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season when the discussion was who's the number one team?

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Iowa State and Houston were two teams that I think

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need to really be good defensively to be their best self,

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if you will, and neither have been great defensively recently.

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Arizona might destroy Iowa State in this spot. But at

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the same time, my numbers kind of right in line

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with the market. So talk to me, Iowa State Arizona.

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Wildcats just do their thing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I got to tell you the truth. I'm way more

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concerned with Iowa State's offense because, as somebody who's tried

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their team total a couple times in the last week

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and a half for bounce back efforts, you don't get

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any bounce back effort out of Iowa State anymore. You

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get the same mediocre type offensive basketball where they score

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I see seven straight games with seventy five points or less.

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or even BYU and get to eighty. Those are not

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good defensive teams. But Iowa State can't get it going

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offensively whatsoever. And that's huge here against Arizona because they're

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gonna get it going offensively. Ask Kansas close, close, close, sorry,

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not close anymore, because there comes the eruption and you're finished.

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Iowa State major concern tonight would probably any Arizona opponent

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concern is rebounding. Can Iowa State rebound with these guys?

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Speaker 2: I would have to agree.

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Speaker 3: The more I see if Iowa State, and remember some

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of this stuff we're gonna talk about today, we can

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go all the way back to maybe our first week

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on this show, at least the first two weeks where

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the non conference tournament action on the elite end and

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Iowa State was an Elite eight candidate at that point

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in time. I can't see this team getting to the

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Elite eight anymore. There's just too much. You know, we

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talk about some teams with severe droughts. I'm not going

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to say severe drought, but you get what I mean.

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This offense is way too inconsistent to have guys like

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Jefferson Lipsi Mosolovich. These guys are scorers, and it's just

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not happening for Ioway State right now. So you don't

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want to play and Arizona State defense with CoA Pete

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back an Arizona team that can clinch the number one

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seed tonight on their home floor with a victory in

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this game doesn't mean I have to win by nine,

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but it doesn't mean they won't either, because they can

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win by double digits against anybody if Iowa State doesn't

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bring some semblance of offense to this game. And I

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guess if I was to you be specific about what

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I mean with some semblance, if they're not going to

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get to seventy five points against this team tonight, which

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they've been sporadically doing over the last seven against lesser opposition,

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then they're not going to cover. Because at seventy five,

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I'm putting Arizona in the eighty four category here tonight.

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end as well, So I'm gonna say I would lean

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Arizona for sure. Taman Lipsey has said all the right things.

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You know, it's just another game. We can't sulk about it.

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We got bigger things on deck. I get all that,

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and I like the personnel on the team, but it

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hasn't jailed this year, so I'm not going to back

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them here tonight.

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Speaker 1: I love watching Arizona play defense, rob like they get

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fired up on the defensive end, and you know, this

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is a team that is probably a top five, maybe

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top I think Ken Palm maybe has them eighth, But

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top five offensive team. But the point is, I think

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some of these teams, I think you can make the

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in a minute. They're like, they're very, very good offensive teams.

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get the like full credit that they deserve defensively because

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there's such like prolific offensive teams as well. Arizona is

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that prolific at both ends of the floor. You could

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say Rob that you know, they've had that, they've played

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quite the schedule of late and then you know kind

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of run just absolutely destroyed Kansas over the weekend back

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to back road wins Houston and Baylor.

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Speaker 2: But like the thing is, I'll go back to the weekend.

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Speaker 1: I mean they destroyed Kansas by the second half of

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that game, and they started pulling away.

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Speaker 2: I mean they weren't you know, they were up eleven

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at half.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that was like an overly sort

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of like stressful game for them. So I guess, like

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really had to hit a late knockout punch or really

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battle to get like a hard fought win, I'd be

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less inclined to like play them in the quick turnaround

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in another Big Top fifteen game because I forget who

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it was, but we we just saw a team really

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struggle in this spot. Maybe it was Kansas. I'm going

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off memory of who had the big win and then

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lost on Monday night. I don't think it was Kansas,

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but might have been Arizona. Actually, the point is the

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Big Twelve, because we'll go back to what I said

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at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: The Big Twelve has had so.

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Speaker 1: Many of these huge games back to back that when

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you play Big Monday, if you're in that Big Monday

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slot for the Big Twelve, you might have had back

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to back Top ten teams Saturday Monday, which is not

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easy in my opinion. But in this case for Arizona,

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they've been able to stay at home.

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Speaker 2: The Kansas game wasn't overly stressful. I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like I don't think the schedule catches

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up with them here. I just don't think I was

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Speaker 2: I would lay it with Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe last Monday night, the game we're referring

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to was Houston who got beat Houston. And yes, Houston

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was off of Arizona and they lose three in a row.

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you know, face the Gauntlet, and Houston didn't farewell in

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any of those three either. Of fact, they lost to

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Iowa States. So your conversation about you know, maybe Houston

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and I still would give Houston a little bit of

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an edge over Iowa State. Remember back in that game,

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Houston was up ten on the road late and somehow

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it slipped away. But I'm going to take the last

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couple of seconds here, just one more time. After watching

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that game Saturday, Arizona Kansas to one more time, highlight

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Jade and Bradley at point guard. Of all the point

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guards that are talked about across America, this guy's name

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never comes up. Yet every time I watch him play,

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it's the right play when they need a big hoop,

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like in the first half when it was tight and

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things weren't going. It was Jayden Bradley who kind of

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broke that game open with like five straight points. And

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he doesn't necessarily take offense into his own hands, but

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when the team needs it most, and it was commentated

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about on that broadcast Saturday, he shows up so a

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team with four freshmen. Half. I remember back to the

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beginning of the year when they played Yukon, and we'll

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let can all these freshmen go to Boston and beat Yukon.

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They're pretty darn good right now. The board work I

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think was forty eight twenty six against Kansas on Saturday,

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just an absolute demolition. So I always think it's gonna

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have to work on the boards here tonight. We'll see

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what happens.

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Speaker 2: Phil.

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Speaker 1: I think it might be eight now. It opened seven.

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Seven and a half was like available before the show.

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We may be up to eight or eight and a half. Joe,

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and I'll segue here he says, perhaps just jump on

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a duke Arizona parlay. Well, I don't know if there's

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much value in that, but I'll tell you what, I

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don't think it's gonna lose.

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Speaker 2: Be really surprised if it low.

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Speaker 1: And that'll segue us into I guess what you would

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call feature game number two. I am through security at

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the airport already, so I'm not going to leave and

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try to go to Raleigh tonight.

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Speaker 2: I'm going home. Although it's it would be doable.

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Speaker 1: I could have stayed another day, but I do have

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to get back to real life at some point, so sadly,

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I am not headed down the road to Raleigh for

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Duke NC State, which will be at the Lenovo Center tonight,

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Rob Vino. NC State will wade obviously a massive spot

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for them, But you want to talk about a team

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that just covers spreads, how about the Duke Blue Devils.

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Speaker 2: I tried.

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Speaker 1: I got cute, as some would say, Rob after they

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beat Michigan, and I said, man, this is a less

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than ideal spot for Duke on the road as a

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seventeen point favorite against Nordre Dame, and I think they

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proceeded to hand Nordre Dame the biggest loss they've had

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in like basically a century, just an absolute drubbing. And

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they they even kind of took their foot off the

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gas a little bit, still put up one hundred, won

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one hundred to fifty six.

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend. It got touched on very quickly.

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Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, I thought I thought that game

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set up nicely for Virginia to be competitive, at least compete.

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I didn't really have a great opinion either way on

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the side of my number was right in line, but Rob,

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I thought Virginia was capable of better than seventy seven

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to fifty one. I mean, you know the Michigan game,

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obviously that's still a cover for Duke. That was a

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competitive game, but you go back before that and Duke

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played Syracuse, dropped one hundred, won one hundred to sixty four.

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So yeah, they're heading on the road here. Although it's Rawleigh,

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you're gonna have a billion Duke fans because NC State

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they still don't really fill that. That's a big arena

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for them, so they still don't really fill it, fill

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it unless it's Duke or UNC. So I think you're

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gonna have a lot of Duke fans as always. But

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you know, of course, over the weekend, Rob, I'm sitting

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there thinking, was I that wrong to sort of lean

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toward Notre Dame? And then Nordre Dame goes out and

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beat SENC State in a game that I don't think

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many gave Notre Dame a chance. They come back, they

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knock off NC State. It was, I believe, an overtime game.

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I don't have that in front of me here. But

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the point is, I think there's some folks that like

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NC State potentially to have a chance to pull the

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upset tonight. I am not one of them. I think

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they're gonna have issues with as well. Really, at this point,

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if Duke comes and plays a full forty minutes, they're

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probably winning and covering most games.

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Speaker 2: I think they're the best team in the country.

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Speaker 1: I'll go back to the point I made where I

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think they don't give get enough credit for how good

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they are defensively and how much they've been locking in defensively.

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That was the thing in that Notre Dame game. They

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couldn't even get a shot off. So do you think

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the wolf Pack Will Wade has a chance at home

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tonight or is this going to be another Duke blowout.

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Speaker 3: I'll start with Will Wade really quick, who called Saturday's

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loss to Notre Dame a pretty big indictment on me

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and having our guys ready. Wade said, referring to the

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outcome against Notre Dame, it's really really disappointing. They've lost

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four or five. He claims they gave two of the

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five away or two of the four way. I'm not

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going to argue with him on that, but I think

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the point is, you know, the contrast here is stark.

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At this point in time, we're thirty games in almost

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and NC State is what they are. I guess that

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is how I should say.

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Speaker 2: That is what it is.

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Speaker 3: What they are. They're a good offensive team, which the

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head coach has referred to as a little bit less

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than physical throughout the year, and you don't get away

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with playing Duke without physicality. Now, they could come out

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with some fight here tonight. There's two games left in

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the conference season. NC State is in the running for

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or moving up a couple of spots in the seating.

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It's not out of the realm of possibility. They could

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end up a top four team if they sweep their

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final two. There are only one game behind UNC who's

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got the four spot right now? But I asked myself

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the question with Duke. I was never completely sold at him.

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I was probably I turned the corner pretty severely on

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Duke toward being sold the night they beat Louisville. Remember

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a few weeks back, a couple of weeks back, when

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Mike kel Brown came back. I think I played Louisville

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team total on this show is a parlay leg and

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I mean they got shut down fifty something points in

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that game. Don't have the exact number in front of me,

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but I know they didn't reach sixty. It was an embarrassment.

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Not really an embarrassment. I guess it was just a

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statement by Duke that you're not coming in here and

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reigning threes on us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and what does NC State do.

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Speaker 3: They're the best three point shooting team in the conference

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percentage wise, and so you're not gonna even at home.

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You're not gonna reign threes on Duke at this point

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in time. What don't they do well? And you can't

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knock their interior offense. Of course Boozer gets all the

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national attention, but the perimeter offense Evans and company is fantastic.

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And then, like you said, it reminds me a little

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bit of the Duke team that made it famous. I

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forget which year it was, with the palms to the floor,

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the defensive minded team. Shire might have even been on

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that team. For all I know, I'm trying to remember here,

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but the way they play defense, the way they rebound,

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the way they have I don't know, dick by Teller,

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somebody used to call it spurt ability. They just break

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games open, just kind of like what we just said

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about Arizona. Close close, close, not close anymore. And I

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don't see NC State unless they're getting turn forcing turnovers,

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unless they're at home, half unconscious tonight shooting the basketball.

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Over the course of forty minutes, the better team will

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show up. That better team is Duke. Now. Point spread

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here is up to ten, and again they're in that

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class with Arizona where they've shown they can win by margin,

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by large margins. So you can't discount the fact that

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the line is ten here because Duke's more than capable.

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Even on the road, they're more than capable. You know,

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this is really up to Duke, Adam, I don't think

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it's up to NC.

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Speaker 2: State at all.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like situationally, mindset, focus wise, you talked

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about it a little bit a few minutes ago, that

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Duke is a team that shows up prepared every single

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give the two losses, I mean, how did UNC beat

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this team? I don't know that that came out of nowhere, right,

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miracle three pointer and Texas Tech beat him by one

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on a neutral They just prepared him every single game. Letdown.

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You're not going to get it right if you're waiting. Yeah, yeah,

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you're not going to get it right.

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Speaker 1: Like I mean that Texas Tech game was was probably

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the letdown if I remember correctly. Duke at a lead

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in that game and they kind of they But the

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thing is, like, you know, Tech Texas Tech back. That

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Texas Tech team, of course a little healthier than the

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one now is a true that's an elite team, and

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like that's you know, we're not talking about Duke against

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an elite team here. Empty State's a nice team and

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will wait, we'll do fine there, but they're not.

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Speaker 2: An elite basketball team.

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Speaker 1: And that's where I think, Like my number here for

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the games Duke minus nine and a half, similar to

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Arizona where my number was seven point six. Like my

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it's not showing like big time numerical like edges. But

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like the thing Rob is like, at this point, how

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many big time like numerical edges are you going to

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really show on a Duke or on an Arizona relative

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to where the books already have it right, Like the

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books are not throwing you a bone to like back

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Arizona or Duke at this point. So I was actually

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surprised that my number did not show value on NC State.

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That it was like, I almost think there is a

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little a little bit of value on both of those favorites,

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and the market would already suggest that being the case.

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With Arizona, it's gotten bet up a little bit. But

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you know, I think I think here, so I'll just

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go back to the chat I ran the parlay. You

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can't really do Duke Arizona. That's that is, there's not

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enough there.

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Speaker 2: That is a.

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Speaker 1: That that's not that you're you're you're you're looking at

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like a minus two hundred for a two team. But

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maybe we can find maybe we can find one more

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leg to put in, because I'd be really really surprised

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if Duke Arizona loss today, and I kind of feel

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like they both probably cover these numbers. I just again,

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I'll go back to my original thought. If Duke comes

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up and show, if Duke shows up to play forty

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minutes in this game, I'd be shocked if if NC

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State you know, like, I don't know if I trust

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Kadeer Copeland like handling the ball and like facility, like

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he's like the kind of the facilitator on that team. Now,

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I don't think I trust him over forty minutes to

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run enough quality offense to stay with Duke, and then

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of course Duke's ability on the defensive end and Rob

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the guy I remember slapping the floor was Steve Wojahowski.

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That's who I remember as a kid doing the floor slap.

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I don't know who started it, but like I can

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vividly remember Wojo being the guy that was always slapping

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the floor. But yeah, this dude team is awesome defensively,

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I think NC State's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna have a problem.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, four sixty two for life, says Trigg, that

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parlay is minus two to oho one.

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Speaker 2: I'll close it out with a third leg for you

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before the end of the show.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I like the Blue Devils team's really really good.

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Speaker 3: You know, we don't handicap by comparative scores of what

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teams do against the same exact team, Adam, but within

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the last ten days, NC State lost to Virginia by

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twenty nine. Duke beat Virginia by twenty six. Now, granted

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NC State was on the road, but a thirty point

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loss to the second best team in the league that

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wanted to win, and the Duke side beat that same

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team by twenty six, It's just they're really the ACC

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is a poor basketball conference this year.

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00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: Well Aware. I live in Syracuse and well Aware.

479
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 3: That's the only reason why NC State has a shot

480
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,759
to be a top four seed, because it's just a

481
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,079
it's not a good basketball conference. So again, and it

482
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,559
also I'll just one more time to your thoughts way

483
00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:41,319
back about not way back, but a couple of weeks

484
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:45,319
back about the scheduling of an ACC league. The fact

485
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:48,799
that Duke and NC State are in that triangle and

486
00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,720
don't play twice a year now is kind of looting

487
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,200
because you have to go play teams like SMU or

488
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,000
Cal or Stanford, and you can't play NC State twice,

489
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,759
an absolute eight mile rival, so crazy.

490
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,599
Speaker 1: I just ran into the Cal girls lacrosse team in

491
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,599
the airport who are on there, who are actually they

492
00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:14,039
They played Duke and they are on their way to

493
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:17,400
play Syracuse because they're in the ACC. So they're in

494
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,640
the Charlotte airport on their way up probably on my

495
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:25,119
flight to play to play Syracuse. I there's no actionable,

496
00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:28,640
no actionable info in me going on an acc ramp,

497
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,680
So I'm not going to do it right now, but

498
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:31,279
I have one.

499
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: If you know.

500
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: It's just awful, especially for basketball, because some of these

501
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,880
schools like Syracuse should not be putting money into football.

502
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:41,119
It should go into basketball. But that's a conversation for

503
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,799
a different time. What we will talk about quickly is mansy.

504
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,240
He says, greetings, fellaws. Things for our breakdowns and helping

505
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:49,359
us stay profitable. It's what we're trying to do with

506
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,519
this show. If you're so inclined. Rob and I have

507
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:54,240
a great package up on the page. It's all of

508
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,759
our plays through the end of the season. We also

509
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,960
have the three day We are here to try to

510
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,920
help you make money in Arch. We both Rob's been

511
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,599
having a great season. I have back to back winning months.

512
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:08,640
I just had a like forty eight unit February or

513
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,960
something like that, right, like a shade under fifty units

514
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,799
for February. So hopefully all this We've been grinding since

515
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,319
early November, doing a show every day. We haven't missed

516
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,559
a single show. I don't know many other places that

517
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,640
are doing that this in depth for college basketball.

518
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: Rob.

519
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,599
Speaker 1: Hopefully it all pays off. Hopefully all these arenas I've

520
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,599
been teach us some stuff about some of these smaller teams,

521
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:35,000
and this is when we can pay it off. But

522
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:38,480
thank you Mansy, very much appreciated for the donation. And

523
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:40,799
our guy Garth is in here with a donation. And

524
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,079
also I gotta give Garth his credit here. Garth texted

525
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,599
me yesterday DM me about that DePaul play. So even

526
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,880
though we didn't have a show, I know that he

527
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:54,319
was on DePaul because he asked me about that game.

528
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,960
And yeah, he's now on a ten and two run

529
00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:01,680
on plays. He's brought up on the show at UMKC

530
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,119
was I believe our Saturday show. All the days are

531
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,680
blurring together, Rob. I'm looking forward to.

532
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: Maybe getting a good night's sleep tonight.

533
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: But we'll see if that Arizona game is really good,

534
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,599
it might not happen, probably be up to eleven thirty again.

535
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,039
But such as life, we sleep in may as John

536
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Roth scene says, But let's go back to Garth. Garth

537
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,440
comes in with the donation and Garth wants to go

538
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,119
out to the Big Sky. Big Sky is going to

539
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,839
finish up their conference play today. So these are still

540
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,960
regular season games, and I'm gonna let you start this

541
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,839
one because you're kind of our Big Sky guy on

542
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,440
the show. He says, today's plays Eastern Washington minus three

543
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,400
and a half over the Vandals of Ohio.

544
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:45,039
Speaker 2: Agree or disagree.

545
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,519
Speaker 3: Thank you for bringing up the Big Sky Garth, because

546
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:53,359
we look forward to starch madness as much as anybody

547
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,640
who follows college basketball. I'm with you two hundred five

548
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,680
hundred of the thousand percent on ew here. You don't

549
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,400
even have to look it up. If you're just halfway

550
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,079
aware of what's going on across the country in college basketball.

551
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,640
Eastern Washington is the hottest team inside the Big Sky.

552
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,640
And Adam I talked a little bit earlier about how

553
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,039
some of the stuff and I'm so glad this came up,

554
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:18,920
because after I said this, I thought, well, maybe the

555
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,440
game won't come up when I said earlier that we're

556
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,839
going to talk about a lot of stuff that we

557
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,039
talked about the first week. The second week of the season,

558
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:28,799
think back to when we're talking about Eastern Washington. They

559
00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:31,920
were on an early role. They played that UCLA game,

560
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000
Remember it vividly when they played UCLA Nip and tuck.

561
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:37,920
Maybe the first three games out of the shoot they

562
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,079
looked really good and opened my eyes to them, and

563
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:44,200
then they got slammed by somebody and the season went

564
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:46,839
I don't know. I'm not going to say off the rails,

565
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,160
but their season became a little bit where it got

566
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,039
out of sight, out of mind. But the last eight

567
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,480
nine games that they played inside this conference, the resurfacing

568
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:59,960
of Eastern Washington is real. And if you'll go back guard,

569
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,559
I forget. First of me, credit Mansie, who was just

570
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:08,240
commented before on actually joining us on Saturday with Kelly

571
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:11,160
and Garth too. Both of you guys, we appreciate you

572
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,160
not only being Monday through Friday, but showing up on

573
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,680
Saturday for US. Garth, I think on Saturday I used

574
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,079
Northern Colorado against Idaho. Excuse me, as my leg of

575
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:22,200
the parlay team total over seventy six and a half.

576
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,519
They got the seventy six again, one of those I've

577
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:29,319
been left at the altar half a point. But on

578
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:31,920
that show, in that particular game, I made the point

579
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,799
about Idaho point guard Colton Mitchell, who who had missed

580
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:38,839
the previous game, was gonna miss that game as well,

581
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,440
he is everything to this team. I went through this

582
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:46,440
statistical stuff that day leader in minutes, played third in

583
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,920
scoring leader and assists, leader in steals, a three point shooting,

584
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,480
free throw, et cetera, et cetera. You get the idea.

585
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:55,240
He is the head of the snake on that team.

586
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,559
And it showed up on Saturday. Because Northern Colorado destroyed them.

587
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,839
Idaho's offense went south, and Idaho's offense had been going

588
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,400
pretty good. Even commented about how they scored seventy eight

589
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,960
the prior game, I think it was against UNA or

590
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:13,839
NAU Northern Arizona. They got to seventy eight without Colton Mitchell.

591
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,759
But Northern Arizona's the worst team in the league in

592
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:19,359
every category imaginable, So some of that can be justified

593
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,839
here against Eastern Washington and Garth. Add to it, there's

594
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,519
a revenge angle to this game. Now. Some of these games,

595
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:27,960
in fact, the majority of these Big Sky games are

596
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,119
going to be played today, were played way back when

597
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,960
college bowl games were being played January three, January one.

598
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,279
This one happens to be a January third instance. But

599
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,880
e WU loses by three two Idaho and now they

600
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,960
get the return match on their home floor, where it

601
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,720
means just about everything in the standings, you know, Eastern

602
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:50,720
Washington if things fall their way, and I didn't get

603
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,920
a chance to sift through all because this one goes

604
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,279
down the tiebreaker list pretty far. Should Portland State lose

605
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:01,839
tonight and monte On the State and Eastern Washington win,

606
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,599
you get into these tiebreaker scenarios where it's next best team. Oh,

607
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,640
but they both split against that team, and it just

608
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,279
goes down the ladder to where it's an abyss. I'll

609
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:12,359
have to work on that a little bit this afternoon.

610
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,279
But point being, Eastern Washing has a chance to maybe

611
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:16,920
win this league, a chance to maybe move up to

612
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,640
the number two seed with a win. Little revenged red

613
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,519
hot team right now. Other side doesn't have a point guard,

614
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,759
or at least they don't have their starting point guard.

615
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: Their reserve.

616
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,359
Speaker 3: Their backup point is a senior who's pretty good, but

617
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,640
he's not Colton Mitchell. So I can't agree with you

618
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,440
any more than I've already stated. And you know what, Adam,

619
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,960
why don't we just stop right there and use that

620
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,559
as my leg of the parlay today? Eastern Washington minus

621
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:45,839
three at home against Idaho. I just there's so many

622
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,039
reasons that I just rattled off why this is a

623
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:50,440
solid play. So I'm gonna go that route.

624
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: E W. I'll join in with Garth.

625
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: Garth, if you want to take half credit for this,

626
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,400
you and I can go win as a together leg

627
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,039
of the park Layer. I'm glad you brought.

628
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: That game up. Yeah, And and of course I meant to.

629
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: I meant to mention this on on Saturday, and I

630
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,599
should have because they ended up beating like.

631
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: We Garth.

632
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: You were a day early on a game early on

633
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,880
Citadel They I believe they won out right as a

634
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,000
double digit dog on Saturday, and I kind of kind

635
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,519
of liked him in that game, and I forgot to

636
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:22,799
bring it up on Last Call because of course there's

637
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:25,799
a trillion games and I don't I don't control which

638
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:28,200
ones get talked about on that show. But uh, you know,

639
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,680
just a day late on that I look, you know,

640
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,759
my my numbers showed a little bit. This is a

641
00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:36,319
scenario where it's like, you know, I I showed a

642
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:40,200
little number value to Idaho. But I think the overwhelming

643
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:43,559
like point here is like Eastern Washington's just a different

644
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:47,279
team right now. It's very very clear you know, Dan

645
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:51,240
Monson got Long Beach State. They a couple of years ago.

646
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,960
He He's had a couple of teams that really sort

647
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,920
of like started off the year and then you know,

648
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:01,839
peaked toward the end of the Yearly the one famous

649
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:04,440
one that comes to memory is when he had already

650
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,960
lost his job at Long Beach yet took them to

651
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,519
the NCAA tournament that I think was two years ago.

652
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,599
Speaker 2: But he's been a great coach for years. You know.

653
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: Obviously it's like the the prime example of grass isn't

654
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,559
always greener. He leaves Gonzaga, Mark Few is still there

655
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,360
right Like it didn't work out at Minnesota, but like,

656
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:27,719
I wouldn't be that surprise, rob If and I told

657
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,280
Aaron Pauling, uh, I gotta this will this will kind

658
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,280
of segue us into the next game. Told Aaron Pauling

659
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,320
that we would we would touch on conference tournament futures

660
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:42,360
as the conference tournament starts. So we got we got

661
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,519
time for that because only one of them starts today.

662
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,800
Do you think Eastern Washington like they're kind of dangerous

663
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,559
in this tournament a little bit if they can kind

664
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,519
of keep it going, they win here, they take that momentum,

665
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:55,159
And I don't know that there's like just a clear

666
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:56,320
cut winner in this league.

667
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: No there is, because Montana is your defender champ and

668
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,079
Money Williams is still an integral part of any you know,

669
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:09,159
conference championship type scenario. Montana States played really well down

670
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:14,800
the stretch as well. I wonder adam mostly about Portland State.

671
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,079
Remember when I played against Portland State last week with

672
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,320
Montana State, and I kind of had my idea was,

673
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,519
and I think it's proving out somewhat, is that they

674
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:27,360
play so hard defensively because they're so bad offensively that

675
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,000
at this time of year you could see some fatigue

676
00:35:30,039 --> 00:35:32,440
set in in these meaningful games. And sure enough they've

677
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,079
lost to in a row now. But I wonder if

678
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,679
the reset, the few days off before the big Sky

679
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,400
tournament starts helps them a little bit and they can

680
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,159
come back with a short burst and be potentially the

681
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:45,639
winner of the tournament as well. So you have to

682
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:48,280
throw them into the mix. And then of course the

683
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,400
randomness that is Northern Colorado's offense, which could on any

684
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,039
given night upset a higher seeds. It really is a

685
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,760
fascinating tournament. And I don't know that you could have

686
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,480
a clear cut choice, But at this point in time,

687
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,559
if you had to have one, I think Eastern Washington

688
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:10,360
ninth straight wins won't be played on their home floor.

689
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,119
Their home floor has been great, but they've been great

690
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,840
on the road as well, So we'll see a lot

691
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,239
of candidates in the big sky.

692
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and even even if you are paying a little

693
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,360
bit of a slight premium to back Eastern Washington here,

694
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,559
I don't think it's like that. If you're getting three,

695
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:31,360
I think that's still pretty reasonable. From a like, I

696
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:35,320
don't think you're overpaying like crazy to back Eastern Washington there.

697
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,920
So I don't have a huge opinion on that one,

698
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,599
but I will so I'll ride, you know, I'll obviously

699
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:41,920
going to ride with you guys.

700
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 2: That's our parlay leg.

701
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:47,519
Speaker 1: And yeah, Eastern Washington minus three, Well, we'll kick off

702
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,960
the parlay today. We'll see if it's a two teamer

703
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,159
or if someone wants to throw something in and make

704
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:53,920
it a three teamer.

705
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,039
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I told.

706
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: I told the folks that I was going to close

707
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:03,639
out the Arizona Duke one other team moneyline parlay. Okay,

708
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,320
and I see some people wanting to talk about this

709
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,159
game in the chat.

710
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: So that's what we're gonna do. I don't know how close.

711
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: To even money this gets, but I think I would

712
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,239
put McNee State in there as the third leg of

713
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,079
a moneyline parlay rob. Over the weekend, it came up

714
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:25,559
again McNee State laying points on the road, and again,

715
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,159
even though we had this long conversation about how the

716
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,199
value is probably gone, that's where that conversation has now

717
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,920
come up and back to back games. Okay, maybe the

718
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,280
value isn't there anymore, but still you know you got

719
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,320
you gotta still consider maybe playing against them, even at

720
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,320
the number. It's covered twice ut Rio Grand Valley. We

721
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,800
talked about that a week ago today on this show.

722
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,079
That was my parlay leg one week ago today that covered,

723
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,400
and then over the weekend, McNee State goes so.

724
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,039
Speaker 2: They were home in that game. Then they go to

725
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,519
New Orleans.

726
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,159
Speaker 1: I think I came up on Kelly with Kelly and

727
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:05,159
I said, man, like, I'd love to like beyond New

728
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,159
Orleans in this spot. But three weeks ago I would

729
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:10,639
have gotten ten, I would have gotten eleven in that game,

730
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,159
and New Orleans plays them to a sixty six sixty

731
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:21,800
three final. Here though, Rob, I you know, I feel

732
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,440
like the spread is kind of correct, like correct. I

733
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,000
think they got this one right. So I have no

734
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:32,679
interest in playing against McNeice. And the thing, I guess

735
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:34,519
the point is, I'll make on a lot of these

736
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:38,000
games they're not really there. They're only they've lost a

737
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,599
couple of them, but they typically find a way to win.

738
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:43,519
Speaker 2: And you know, I kind of look at the I

739
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:44,119
kind of look.

740
00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: At the seeding in this in this tournament, you know,

741
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:51,719
McNeice comes into play their game behind Steven f Austin.

742
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:56,880
I believe it's not going to matter from a from

743
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,920
a seeding standpoint because they oh no, it might because

744
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,840
split the regular season games. But the point is this

745
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,840
to me is more like McNeice has had a couple

746
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,960
close calls against bad teams. I don't think Nickels by

747
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,239
any means is a bad team, but like this, this

748
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,760
is like kind of a spot where I think you

749
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,760
could get like a business like effort from McNeice against

750
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,039
a team that I think they that if they play

751
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:26,719
that way, Rob, they probably destroy them. If you go

752
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,360
back to the first meeting ninety four to sixty eight,

753
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,039
that was of course a home game for McNeice. But

754
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:35,559
after those last two games, and specifically the way that

755
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,360
played out over the weekend, you know, with a ten

756
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,559
point halftime lead only to sort of lose focus in

757
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:45,320
the second half and allow New Orleans to be right

758
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,039
there at the end of that game, my gut says,

759
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,480
McNeese comes out and covers this number and ends the

760
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:54,440
year on a little bit of a like, hey, like,

761
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:56,880
you know, we're still very much in the mix in

762
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,159
this league. Maybe we did, you know, maybe we finished

763
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:01,800
a game behind Steven at Austin, but we're still right

764
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,559
there going into the conference tournament. And as far as

765
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,679
that that, you know them on the money line, like,

766
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,760
I don't see Nichols with like a real chance to

767
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,840
win this game. So to go back to our viewer,

768
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,119
I like that if you want to make it a

769
00:40:14,119 --> 00:40:17,639
three team money line and go Duke Arizona McNeese and

770
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:21,039
it comes out even if it's like minus one fifteen,

771
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,840
I'm again, I'm doing these odds in my head. I

772
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,719
don't hate that. I won't play that because that's not

773
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,199
my style, But if that's what you want to do, like,

774
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,000
I think that three teamer probably wins, And honestly, again,

775
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:36,559
my number is right in line here, eleven.

776
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,599
Speaker 2: I'm an eleven point seven on McNeice.

777
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: But this is the first time in a while rob

778
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,480
where I didn't show any value on the dog against McNeice,

779
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,360
and and so I would I would. And now I

780
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,960
think it's moved a little bit because I think the

781
00:40:51,039 --> 00:40:54,559
betting public is going to start to, uh, look and say, oh,

782
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:57,360
McNeice just doesn't cover any spreads. They don't cover these

783
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,880
big spreads against underdogs. I think they're going to cover

784
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,360
this one. I like the matchup for McNee so I

785
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,920
would lay it with McNee state here.

786
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts.

787
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't want Nicols State especially, you know, the

788
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:13,320
matchup just isn't great for them. Two things Nichols does

789
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,000
not do well on the defensive end. They don't defensive rebound.

790
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,280
They think they're second worst in the conference, if not

791
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,800
the worst. And they don't defend inside the arc. Again,

792
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,800
they're either second to last or last. And those are

793
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,199
two things that McNeese excels at. They offensive rebound like crazy,

794
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,119
and they score inside the arc. I mean their preference

795
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:37,400
is to be to score from inside the arc. I'll

796
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,199
say this, it's interesting to me that the first time around,

797
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:44,440
when they won by twenty six. McNeice did they played

798
00:41:44,559 --> 00:41:48,000
Nichols tempo. Nichols the second fastest paced team in this league,

799
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:51,039
and McNeese generally does not. When you start going through

800
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:56,719
their analytical game history this year, they don't play many

801
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,599
seventy possession games. They're still kind of rooted in defense

802
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,199
and not necessarily flying up and down the floor. But

803
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,840
the Nichols game was a seventy five possession game played

804
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,559
rapidly the way Nichols wants to play, and they got

805
00:42:11,559 --> 00:42:16,840
destroyed by twenty six. Granted, again, it's on mcneice's home

806
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,519
floor in that game, but I don't see you know,

807
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,639
I'm just speaking in terms of the three team parlay

808
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,280
that the chat might want to put together. I don't

809
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,880
see any reason why you wouldn't include McNeice in that.

810
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,880
I mean, you're asking to win by one point against

811
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,440
this team. I mean, it's it's kind of.

812
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and someone in the someone in the chat said

813
00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:40,599
that's like, yeah, it's kind of minus one thirty. I mean, again,

814
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:43,719
not my style, but probably not gonna lose. I'd be

815
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,199
really surprised if that parlay loosed. God, I can't even speak,

816
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,400
I would be really surprised if that parlay lost even

817
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:54,840
minus one thirty seems like it should be more like

818
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:58,079
Duke Arizona mcneise winning tonight, in my opinion, should be

819
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:01,000
more like minus won seventy five. Just going off of

820
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:04,000
the top of my head. So do what you will. Sorry, Rob,

821
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:04,840
I didn't mean to cut you off.

822
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: Go ahead if that, If that loses, we'll have something

823
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,920
to open the show with tomorrow. If that parlay loses

824
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,599
one of those three, it'll be a show opener tomorrow

825
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:15,679
because you just don't expect any of that to happen.

826
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,480
So I'm not going to discourage anybody who likes to

827
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:22,360
play those types of parlors.

828
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: And listen, like there is if you if you have

829
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:29,679
three The whole thing with the parlay, especially one like that,

830
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,599
is if you have three money lines where you have

831
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:36,360
an edge on each one like that. I don't really

832
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,000
know that you do in this scenario, but you know,

833
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,840
part parlaying those big money lines together if they're if

834
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,880
each one is a good leg on its own, it's

835
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,440
not like the worst strategy. There are people that do

836
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:54,199
well doing it. I mean, I that's not my style,

837
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,360
but there are people that do extremely well, like keying

838
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,639
those big legs and parlays and then just like betting

839
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:02,679
like that type of stuff.

840
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,559
Speaker 2: Big again.

841
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: There's it's probably more of a an art to it.

842
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,760
It's just not like something I've ever gotten into. But

843
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,559
I think we jump saying like, oh, parlays are like no,

844
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:16,599
Like no, parlays can be a pretty good tool if

845
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:19,679
you're doing it, if you're using them correctly. It's just

846
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,000
parlaying like four teams together on the spread at like

847
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:28,119
minus one ten each. That's not great in my opinion,

848
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:31,039
but you know, there are there are ways that can

849
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,119
be good. That that's that's more of a conversation for

850
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,199
like Gianni or like someone someone that really understands that.

851
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,559
Then it's just never been my style. But what I

852
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:44,079
do understand, Rob is that the people want more Big

853
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:47,719
Sky basketball, okay, and we're going to go to another

854
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,159
game in the Big Sky here. This is mad Max.

855
00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:53,920
Appreciate the donation. Mad Max is Northern Colorado and Montana

856
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,360
polar opposites. Montana started seven and two in conference play,

857
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:00,119
Northern Colorado one and seven. I still can't wrap my

858
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,760
head around the one and seven start in Big Sky

859
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,719
play for Northern Colorado. But yes, they turned it around.

860
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,960
That was inevitable. I think we came up a couple

861
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,599
of times on the show and they have the momentum and.

862
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:14,599
Speaker 2: They're playing with revenge. So Rob, I'm gonna give you

863
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:15,199
the flour again.

864
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,039
Speaker 1: Let's head out to Greeley, Colorado. Have not been in

865
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:21,280
this arena, but I drove past Greeley on my way

866
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:26,119
to Fort Collins a couple of years ago. This is Montana,

867
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,079
Northern Colorado in the big sky.

868
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: How are you seeing this one?

869
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:33,519
Speaker 3: Yeah? I looked at it more from a totals perspective

870
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:39,960
than side. Now was that Mansie or Max? Who was that?

871
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,920
Speaker 2: This is Max that that requested requested this one?

872
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so for Max, I looked at it more

873
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,679
from totals perspective than side. Just to start with now

874
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,480
to your point about it being a revenge it is

875
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:55,920
a little bit of a revenge game, right, UNC loser? Yeah,

876
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,480
University of Northern Colorado right and NAU Northern Arizonase I

877
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:03,039
get him. The acronyms mixed up a little bit here,

878
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:07,840
but Northern Colorado scored seventy nine points against and again

879
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,760
in this big sky. Sometimes defensive numbers are inflated because

880
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,679
it's the Big Sky. So like, for instance, Montana is

881
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:23,360
the second best defensive team analytically efficiency wise in that league.

882
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,199
But I wouldn't call Montana a good defensive team, not

883
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:30,519
at least a number two type team, you know what

884
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:34,480
I mean, an elite conference defensive team in any other league,

885
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,920
probably middle of the pack in a league that wasn't

886
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,960
played at altitude all the time, et cetera, et cetera.

887
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,400
There's reasons for it, but to my point, Northern Colorado

888
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,559
scores seventy nine against them the first time around. Northern

889
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:47,000
Colorado has been an offensive machine. They have not played

890
00:46:47,039 --> 00:46:50,360
a lick of defense for the most part this season.

891
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,760
So my first initial look was and when I saw

892
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,840
this number, I was thinking, if it stays beneath one

893
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,000
point fifty seven, I'll consider it heavily. And it is

894
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,880
at one fifty four. And my other thought is to

895
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,000
just come back. You talk a little bit at him

896
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,280
about being stubborn. I'm probably as stubborn, or I'll bang

897
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,639
my head against the brick wall until I get it right,

898
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:16,280
and sometimes I don't, which hurts my accounts a little bit.

899
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,079
But I would love to come back with Northern Colorado

900
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:23,920
team total again here today in this game. Now, I said,

901
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:26,199
you know, on Saturday, I played him over seventy six

902
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,199
and a half for various reasons. It was on the road.

903
00:47:30,199 --> 00:47:32,639
They didn't get there. Tonight it's eighty and I guess

904
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:34,400
you can get a seventy couple of seventy nine and

905
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,280
a half's out there still. But I don't want to

906
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,519
exclude Montana from this. I've mentioned his name once already,

907
00:47:40,559 --> 00:47:42,599
I mentioned his name a lot. But Money William's the

908
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:46,559
lead guard for Montana, is a big time score and

909
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,440
they have a lot of offensive capabilities here. I think

910
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,239
it's on Northern Colorado's floor. It's going to be played

911
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,679
their way. I do believe Montana can play their way.

912
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,719
After all, the first game was eighty eight seventy nine,

913
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,840
one hundred and sixty seven point scored. I don't know

914
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,960
that that transitions to being a defensive game here onless

915
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:09,760
people just misshots, and I think you probably get enough

916
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,639
scoring opportunities to where some misshots can happen in this game.

917
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,239
Just checking really faster, you know, first time around in

918
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,880
this game? How about Montana twenty nine percent from three

919
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,159
still score eighty eight Northern Colorado only thirty one percent

920
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:26,480
from three still scores seventy nine, So you didn't get

921
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,639
great shooting the first time around, and you got to

922
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:32,119
one hundred and sixty seven. So my look definitely wouldn't

923
00:48:32,159 --> 00:48:35,159
talk you off of side here. I do maybe I

924
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:41,000
still hold Montana in higher regard than some other handicappers

925
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:44,559
or betters do, just because you know that championship pedigree

926
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:47,440
still sticks with me. And again Williams is a big

927
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,480
part of that. But I think over one p fifty

928
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,360
four is a solid play here, So that would be

929
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,199
my look on that game. I would be looking more

930
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,280
toward full game over not isolating anybody, just be all

931
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,599
inclusive here with both side scoring points.

932
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't disagree with that. I admit it. Admittedly

933
00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:10,280
I have not been the Big Sky. It's weird. I've

934
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,679
bet a lot of Big Sky last year. I think

935
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:14,840
it's probably because I was out there more and got

936
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,320
to see a couple of those teams play.

937
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,639
Speaker 2: But but I have not. I just haven't played a

938
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:21,719
ton of Big Sky this year.

939
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 1: The one thing I'll go back to, and it's not

940
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,119
really relevant relative to this game, but on our earlier shows,

941
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:31,760
I said, without a doubt that Northern Arizona would be

942
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,599
the worst team in the Big Sky. It was on

943
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:35,320
one of our very first shows. I think it was

944
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,679
literally opening Day because they played in that They played

945
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,119
in that like opener, like they played like a day

946
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:45,360
game against Drake, and it was like a standalone game.

947
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,840
It was on our very first show. I said without like,

948
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,320
they will be by far the worst team in that league.

949
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:53,599
And so that's the one Big Sky sort of take

950
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:57,679
that I've gotten correct. But I have nothing to really

951
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,840
add there. I don't disagre agree with you, and you've

952
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,320
kind of been all over these Big Sky teams.

953
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm going to I'm just gonna let

954
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:06,840
that one.

955
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: Just let that one go and and agree with you

956
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,880
on that one, so we have time to get to

957
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,119
one more game. For me, Rob, this would have been

958
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,880
the feature today when we get to conference tournament, play

959
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:21,880
two teams playing for their for their tournament. I don't

960
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,320
care who they are. The conference tournament game should always

961
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,280
be the biggest game because those two teams. One of

962
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,000
those teams the season ends if they don't win. So

963
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,480
rest assured you will get preference from me the host

964
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,280
here toward Conference tournament games as these as these the

965
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,400
shows continued throughout the week, and we had one conference

966
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,360
tournament game today. It's the Horizon. What I've noticed, Rob

967
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:51,519
is the We're not gonna get as many of these

968
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,679
like early week games as much anymore because a lot

969
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,880
of teams are just not taking those, like bottom bottom

970
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,320
teams anymore. So when I look today, I said, oh,

971
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,800
usually the a Sun starts today, Usually the Horizon's got

972
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:05,800
a couple campus.

973
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:08,519
Speaker 2: Sites games and whatnot. But it's not going to be.

974
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: The case anymore because so many leagues are just saying,

975
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,000
you know what, we're just gonna take the top eight.

976
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:15,679
We're just going to take the top ten and leave

977
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:21,360
like eleven and twelve and thirteen home. Now for Aaron Pauling,

978
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,280
we you know, he asked, he said, can you please

979
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:29,039
touch on conference tournament futures for the Horizon League?

980
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: I see a very like man.

981
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,639
Speaker 1: This could go a lot of different ways, and I

982
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:36,559
don't know that I have one that I really like

983
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,199
more than others.

984
00:51:38,039 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: In this league.

985
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,559
Speaker 1: So Aaron, I'm gonna kind of I may punt on

986
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:46,119
that one because I'm looking at teams like Right State,

987
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:51,239
Green Bay, Oakland like for me, like Oakland. I feel

988
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:52,840
like would be maybe my pick, but I don't know

989
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,440
if I like the value. I obviously like Gottlieb. He

990
00:51:56,519 --> 00:52:00,239
actually has some decent value at plus eight fifty. Again,

991
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,840
I just this one's tough for me. I don't know, No,

992
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:04,519
I really want to take a stand with any of

993
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,280
those teams pre flop. So I'm going to move on

994
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,960
to this game. This is a campus site game. We

995
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:12,840
are at the Wollstein Center, the house that Brian Power

996
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,920
built right in his backyard he will be And you've

997
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:22,000
got two teams rob that haven't won in forever. Believe

998
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,840
the last time IU Indy won was against this Cleveland

999
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,440
State team. And I'm going to set this one up

1000
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,719
for you in the way that you would probably look

1001
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,719
at this game in the first place. IU INDI's played

1002
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,719
slower of late. I don't know if it's because they

1003
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,039
decided that that style that they came out of the

1004
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,639
gate with was unsustainable or wasn't going to really work,

1005
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:46,360
or maybe they're just exhausted from playing games that we

1006
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:50,280
had two hundred points scored in the game. But they've

1007
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,039
played a lot slower and to me, like I've kind

1008
00:52:54,119 --> 00:52:56,599
of been inclined to to maybe look under in their

1009
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,239
games recently, and then you look back at that game

1010
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,239
against Cleveland State and slowing it down help them out

1011
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,760
in that game. They won the game in what was

1012
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,880
a slower paced game than I think we were accustomed

1013
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,440
to for the first like three months of the season

1014
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,960
out of EYU Indy. So my lean here because I

1015
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,800
don't like either of these teams. I don't want to

1016
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,920
back either of these teams to have to win this game.

1017
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,519
My take would be the under because I do think

1018
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,760
if it gets to the point where it's close late,

1019
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,599
you are going to get teams maybe digging in a

1020
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:28,159
little bit bit more than they would defensively knowing that

1021
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:29,159
it's winner, go home.

1022
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,199
Speaker 2: So I kind of lean toward an under.

1023
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: Not something I'm gonna play, but I'm curious to see

1024
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,519
if you agree or disagree, and feel free to disagree

1025
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:37,760
because I'm not the totals guy.

1026
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you just go back, I mean we

1027
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:45,960
can go back now about fifteen sixteen eighteen games Adham

1028
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,159
where every time IU Indy is on the board, the

1029
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,960
immediate hit is to the under. Like guys a while

1030
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:57,719
back started just relentlessly playing under, And I think it's

1031
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,039
because You know, we've talked about this from side perspective,

1032
00:54:01,039 --> 00:54:03,679
but not really much from totals perspective. I think a

1033
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:07,039
lot of it was that oddsmakers couldn't make IU in

1034
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:10,119
D totals high enough to start the year. Remember that

1035
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:12,639
the runs that we used to get on IU in

1036
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,800
D totals ope in one sixty six and a half.

1037
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:16,960
Now it's one eighty one. It was ridiculous some of

1038
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,559
the things that were happening with their games and their totals.

1039
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:24,159
But it came full full circle, I think because again,

1040
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,800
like in the case of Michigan, from a side perspective,

1041
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:29,400
the number probably just got the power rating number.

1042
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 2: Probably just got too high.

1043
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,519
Speaker 3: In this case, the total rating probably just got too

1044
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:35,599
high and guys started finding value, especially do in conference

1045
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:38,320
season hit. It doesn't mean that there's still not a

1046
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,440
high scoring team. This number has been bent down five

1047
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,599
points seventy four and a half down to sixty nine

1048
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:47,840
and a half. It is interesting because, like you said,

1049
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,159
in conference tournament time and for those that are actually

1050
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,000
you know that maybe watching us this season and are

1051
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:59,760
kind of maybe not seasoned college basketball betters. I've always

1052
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,840
brought in the season into four parts, and this is

1053
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,360
like the third part of handicap. You can't have to

1054
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,639
handicap conference tournament so differently than you would handicap regular

1055
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:16,400
season games. So when the prevailing thought is in the

1056
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,519
theory whatever. Something that we stand by in handicapping for

1057
00:55:19,639 --> 00:55:22,159
years is that defensive nature kind of takes over a

1058
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,360
little bit in these conference tournaments because you're playing for

1059
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,719
your life in a one game scenario. You still have

1060
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,639
to be a good defensive team to be able to

1061
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,320
do that. And neither one of these teams are good defense.

1062
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:36,000
Like digging down and playing defense for AYU Indie and

1063
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:41,079
Cleveland State probably doesn't exist. It becomes more of we

1064
00:55:41,199 --> 00:55:43,119
tried hard and got a hand in their face and

1065
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:46,800
they missed a shot whenever. But I'd expect this to

1066
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:51,119
be fast paced. I don't understand. It's funny you talked

1067
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,119
about it from a totals perspective, and I would look

1068
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:56,280
at it from a side perspective. I don't understand the

1069
00:55:56,400 --> 00:56:00,280
move towards AYU Indie. Cleveland State lost every game down

1070
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,440
the stretch, yes, but they're really no different, and they're

1071
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,039
at home and they have to win by a bucket

1072
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:07,239
at home, and there was a little bit of a

1073
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,000
stretch recently where Cleveland State went on this winning streak

1074
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:13,119
that was kind of an and.

1075
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: Rob be all of the best teams in this league,

1076
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,079
which is what's so crazy about that winning streak.

1077
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was nothing, So they're capable, AYU, Indy hasn't

1078
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,280
shown that capability. So for me, if I were to look,

1079
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,360
i'd probably check the Cleveland State side at one and

1080
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,639
a half points. And for Aaron Pauling, I don't have

1081
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,079
the tournament odds in front of me now, so I

1082
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:36,880
haven't even seen them yet. I could agree with you

1083
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,519
thoroughly that Oakland with Greg Campy, you never rule him out.

1084
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,800
So if it's if the price is there, then they

1085
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,599
would be worth half a shot. But I haven't seen

1086
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:47,360
the numbers to give this one a good look. I'll

1087
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,880
look at that a little little bit later.

1088
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,039
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what Aaron I will get you later

1089
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,440
in the week. Because here's the thing for me, this

1090
00:56:54,599 --> 00:57:00,559
slate today, for me personally, like probably the least you know,

1091
00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:04,280
probably the worst slate for me that will occur the

1092
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,480
rest of the season, because starting tomorrow Wednesday, Thursday, once

1093
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:10,559
we get some of my smaller leagues like starting their

1094
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:14,559
conference tournaments. I'll have much stronger takes the Horizon. For me,

1095
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:16,719
it's not that I don't it's not that I haven't

1096
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,280
watched enough Horizon Ball. It's that I just think there's

1097
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:22,719
five teams that are so similar that I don't really

1098
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,039
want to take a stand like on Oakland at like

1099
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,519
five to one, even though that's maybe how I lenk,

1100
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,000
there's just I just don't think there's just too much

1101
00:57:31,039 --> 00:57:34,679
of a crap shoot the horizzone rob like they all

1102
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:36,840
play Zone and whoever whoever.

1103
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,239
Speaker 2: You know, the variance of like what could happen in

1104
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,719
these games is just too much.

1105
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Cleveland State could win this game,

1106
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,760
turn around and win their next game, But then again,

1107
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,440
they could also lose this game because they've done nothing

1108
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,079
but lose for the last three weeks.

1109
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:52,519
Speaker 2: To that's a tough one.

1110
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: But I was not going to allow us to not

1111
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,119
address the only conference tournament game. I've got to address

1112
00:57:58,199 --> 00:58:02,760
this quick. Massive thank you to I don't know if

1113
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,159
we met, he says, small World. I watched you live

1114
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,480
last week. Realize the name, never forget a face. Keep

1115
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,440
doing you well. Listen, thank you so much for the donation.

1116
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:16,639
As we've said, we donate to. I think it's either

1117
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:18,679
gonna be a different charity. I know we did Opportunity

1118
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,440
Village last month, but the point is whenever it hits

1119
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,519
a certain amount, they make a donation.

1120
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:25,639
Speaker 2: So we great.

1121
00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: Oh, Lucas, I think that's Lucas Campbell. I think that's

1122
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,079
Lucas Campbell. I believe did I get your last name right?

1123
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,079
He's I think I went.

1124
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: To high school with him. And the only reason I

1125
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:38,719
couldn't really tell.

1126
00:58:38,519 --> 00:58:41,719
Speaker 1: That initially is because I'm not on my usual setup

1127
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,039
and I'm squinting looking into the little chat boxes. I

1128
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:49,440
don't have my big screen because I am in the

1129
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,760
airport on my way home.

1130
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 2: Lucas and I went to high school together.

1131
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,119
Speaker 1: I know exactly who that is now, and I don't

1132
00:58:56,119 --> 00:58:58,719
think i've seen him in twenty years, Rob, So this

1133
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:04,079
is this is all so appreciate you, Lucas. We'll have

1134
00:59:04,159 --> 00:59:06,559
to like catch up at some point, but yeah, we

1135
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,159
went to Shalamont together. Here's what I'm doing for the

1136
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:11,840
parlay today, Rob, Because we haven't had the best luck

1137
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,840
on the parlay, I am putting my three team money

1138
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,239
line parlay in with your Eastern Washington pick. We're gonna

1139
00:59:19,239 --> 00:59:22,400
make it a four teamer, and that is gonna and

1140
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,400
so it's actually plus two forty odds, which I didn't

1141
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,800
think was all that bad. So basically, I am combining

1142
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:33,480
my minus one thirty money line parlay with Eastern Washington

1143
00:59:33,519 --> 00:59:36,679
minus three. So basically what that is, it's a four teamer.

1144
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:40,880
We're gonna go Duke money Line, Arizona money Line, McNee

1145
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,239
State money line. That was essentially the three team money

1146
00:59:44,239 --> 00:59:46,320
line that we built, and we are gonna pair that

1147
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,840
and make it a four teamer with Eastern Washington minus three.

1148
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:54,639
Those odds are about plus two forty. I mean, listen,

1149
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:57,519
we haven't had the best luck with the parlay of

1150
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:00,199
the day since You and I, Me, you and E You,

1151
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:03,679
the three of us, Me, You and Brian Power hit

1152
01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:05,440
the three teamer to put us in the plus. I

1153
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:07,639
don't think we've won one since, so we are going

1154
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:09,920
to switch it up. Joe Lane is fired up because

1155
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,760
that was basically his play. He liked the Duke Arizona.

1156
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,719
So Joe Lane's given us Duke in Arizona money line.

1157
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,039
I'm gonna throw McNee money line in there, and then

1158
01:00:18,039 --> 01:00:21,079
we're gonna go with your Eastern Washington minus three plus

1159
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:24,440
two forty. That's the parlay of the day and we

1160
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,719
will be back tomorrow ten am Eastern for another edition

1161
01:00:27,719 --> 01:00:30,360
of Full Court Press. I got Kelly Stewart texting me

1162
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,840
right now. She knows I'm on the show, but she's like,

1163
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,280
we might go to seven days a week, so stay

1164
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:39,800
tuned because that would just mean you know that we

1165
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,920
got big games on Sunday going going forward. I know

1166
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,400
we're doing the selection Sunday show, so I mean, listen.

1167
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,000
I don't know how we're not coming on and talking

1168
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:50,360
games if there's NCAA tournament games on a Sunday, So

1169
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:51,559
stay tuned for that.

1170
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:54,079
Speaker 2: In the meantime, have a great day. We'll see you

1171
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:54,800
guys in the morning.