1 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: Well, here we go. Welcome to the Big Podcast. It 2 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:34,880 is Wednesday. Today is the tenth day of September, year 3 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,159 of our lower twenty twenty five. My name is Tom Sullivan. 4 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,079 So we were sitting down getting ready to record this 5 00:00:42,119 --> 00:00:44,719 podcast a couple of hours ago, so we're a little 6 00:00:44,719 --> 00:00:47,880 bit late today, but it's because as we were getting 7 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,960 ready to start, we found out the news coming out 8 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:58,600 of ram Utah where Charlie Kirk has been shot, and 9 00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:03,000 at this moment asked we're recording this. He's in critical condition. 10 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:06,319 We don't know any more than that, but he was 11 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:10,239 at He does these college He goes around to colleges 12 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,079 all over the country. If you're not familiar with who, 13 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:20,040 Charlie Kirk is, very influential young guy on the conservative 14 00:01:20,079 --> 00:01:23,799 side of the isle. He was he started a Turning 15 00:01:23,879 --> 00:01:29,079 Point USA in two thousand and twelve, I think it 16 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,760 was he was eighteen years old, and he reached out 17 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:38,159 to me shortly after that and we've been you know, 18 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,719 I know him, he knows me over the years, but 19 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:44,879 he knows everybody. I mean, he has the presidents here. 20 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,760 He knows everybody in the conservative side of the isle, 21 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,400 and very close to President Trump without any doubt. So 22 00:01:54,439 --> 00:01:58,560 he goes out to colleges. He sets up an awning 23 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,200 and there's a sign that says proved me wrong. And 24 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:05,959 he has a crowd of college kids love this guy 25 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,080 or hate him, but they follow him. 26 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:08,719 Speaker 2: They show up. 27 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: There was a couple thousand people at the Utah Valley 28 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:17,360 University is apparently it's the largest college in Utah, forty 29 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,800 eight thousand students and he has to sign proved me wrong. 30 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,240 Students come up to a microphone and they challenge him 31 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,479 on whatever they want to challenge him on, and he 32 00:02:29,879 --> 00:02:33,520 debates with them and then they don't last too long. 33 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,360 Next person comes up, and so he gives a lot 34 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,120 of the people they are an opportunity to come up 35 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:42,680 and debate him on any topic that they want to 36 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:47,400 debate him on. So you may have seen him. He 37 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:50,919 was I think he was the first guy that Gavin 38 00:02:51,039 --> 00:02:55,560 Newsom at this podcast and he decided he was going 39 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:58,360 to as a as a liberal Democrat, he was going 40 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:05,039 to invite on very conservative people to kind of debate them. 41 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,400 I think it was the first one, maybe the second, 42 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:10,199 but it was Charlie Kirk that he invited on and 43 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,479 they had a wonderful debate. So turning Point USA is 44 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,800 his organization. What happened at this gathering this afternoon. It 45 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,159 was twelve noon mountain time, and one person came up 46 00:03:25,199 --> 00:03:29,639 apparently asked him a question. It was about religion, and 47 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:33,000 the second person came up and started to ask him 48 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:39,319 about how many transgenders have committed gun violence on university campuses, 49 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,680 and that is when a shot rang out. What we 50 00:03:43,919 --> 00:03:50,159 have as we start this podcast today is that some 51 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,080 people say it was very very close, other people say 52 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,360 it was two hundred Well, the university says the shot 53 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:01,439 was from two hundred yards away. They took somebody into custody, 54 00:04:01,439 --> 00:04:04,680 but there's even debate about whether or not that's the 55 00:04:04,719 --> 00:04:08,919 person that actually pulled the trigger. It was kind of 56 00:04:08,919 --> 00:04:15,280 an amphitheater where it is surrounded by buildings, concrete buildings, 57 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,000 and the echoes off of that. I mean, I can 58 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,120 see how people might get it wrong. So what I 59 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:26,279 want to do is I'll start with Kristen Holmes, who's 60 00:04:26,319 --> 00:04:29,680 a reporter at the White House, talking about as the 61 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,600 news broke this afternoon. 62 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,959 Speaker 3: Not just had the President's here at times. I mean, 63 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,040 he is incredibly close with President Trump, they speak directly. 64 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,800 He also is close with members high level members of 65 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:42,560 the administration. 66 00:04:42,959 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 4: You see the Vice. 67 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,199 Speaker 3: President tweeting there he knows and speaks to Charlie Kirk. 68 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,360 If you are talking to people within the administration, they 69 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,279 will tell you that Kirk is somebody who has the 70 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:57,040 finger on the pulse of the MAGA movement in a 71 00:04:57,079 --> 00:05:00,839 way that sometimes even the people in Washington do not. 72 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:04,519 He has been such a force for President Trump, somebody 73 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:06,639 that they relied on at times that it was even 74 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:11,839 floated that he might join the administration. And I was 75 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:15,000 told during the transition that they actually believed that he 76 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:18,639 was more powerful not being part of the administration because 77 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,279 of the following that he has, because of this unique 78 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,399 ability he has to reach these specific young voters. 79 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,959 Speaker 4: And one of the stories we. 80 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:30,759 Speaker 3: Did on the campaign was how exactly they were doing this, 81 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,319 and this was by reaching out to people who hadn't 82 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,160 voted before, bringing them into the MAGA movement and getting 83 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:40,560 them to vote for President Trump. So it's not just 84 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,319 as though this is an ally of the presidents. It's 85 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,800 somebody who again has this enormous following, and that the 86 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,360 president pays attention. 87 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,519 Speaker 4: To, who is close to, who he listens to. 88 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,079 Speaker 3: We can recall that there have been issues and Charlie 89 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,720 Kirk has brought to the President's attention that people in 90 00:05:58,759 --> 00:06:00,480 the base were upset of. 91 00:06:00,519 --> 00:06:02,879 Speaker 4: This is something we've reported on extensively. 92 00:06:03,399 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 3: So this is again, I just think it's really important 93 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,079 to note here, Well, he's not a government official. While 94 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:12,279 he is not a member of the administration, he's essentially 95 00:06:12,319 --> 00:06:16,040 the closest thing you could get to that position without. 96 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 4: Actually being in the government. 97 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: He's influential in Washington, he's influential in the Republican Party, 98 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,959 and he's certainly influential with President Trump and influential in 99 00:06:24,959 --> 00:06:27,920 the election twenty twenty four that brought President Trump to 100 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:28,560 the White House. 101 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: So I've got a lot of commentary from people on 102 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:34,959 the right, people on the left, law enforcement, you name it. 103 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,480 Brian Stelter, who is a big lefty, the media reporter 104 00:06:39,639 --> 00:06:43,399 for CNN, this is his reaction. 105 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 5: And from every indication we have so far, this was 106 00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:51,079 an appalling act of political violence, something very specifically targeting Kirk, 107 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,720 who was underneath a small tent in the middle of 108 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:57,000 a college campus, a quad sort of environment, surrounded by 109 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,279 hundreds of his fans and supporters, college students, maybe other 110 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:04,199 people from around the community who wanted to see him 111 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,000 up close because he is such a celebrity. 112 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: Look, I know Charlie personally. 113 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 5: He is one of the most prominent, I would say, 114 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:15,920 the most successful MAGA media personality of his generation. 115 00:07:16,279 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: He is just thirty one years old. 116 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 5: He's a little bit like a new era Rush Limball, 117 00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:23,160 you know, of the digital age. But unlike someone like 118 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:26,279 Rush who hosted a radio show at his home, Kirk 119 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:29,319 is out and about. He's known for doing these public events. 120 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:31,480 As David Challion others have mentioned on here in the 121 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:33,839 last few minutes, one of the appeals of Charlie Kirk 122 00:07:34,199 --> 00:07:36,759 is his accessibility. That he's on the road, that he's 123 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,279 on campus, that he holds these events, and that he 124 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,680 also debates strangers and opponents. Now, at this particular event, 125 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,639 there were hundreds of his fans gathered around, and then 126 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:48,439 there were also some protesters who were holding up signs 127 00:07:48,439 --> 00:07:49,920 against fascism. 128 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:51,079 Speaker 2: That were much further away. 129 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:54,079 Speaker 5: So in these online videos, from what we've seen so far, 130 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,319 a beautiful day is suddenly shattered by a single gunshot. 131 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,920 And that's about all we know so far. 132 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, the details are still still trying to be put 133 00:08:04,759 --> 00:08:09,480 those together. John Miller, former NYPD. This is his early reaction. 134 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 6: Well, it's coming together a bit at a time. There 135 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:18,199 is obviously been the shooting. It appears he was shot 136 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,600 in the neck or near the neck. An individual is 137 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,920 in custody. It appears that that person may have been 138 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,199 grabbed by people in the crowd and held for police. 139 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,639 We are still looking into an identity on that person 140 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:39,639 and their background, and it's going to be a little 141 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,039 bit through the fog of this event. But as was 142 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,639 pointed out here, there are videos purported to be of 143 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,879 the shooting on social media that we're working to verify, obviously, 144 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,840 but a lot of witnesses, hundreds and hundreds of witnesses. 145 00:08:56,879 --> 00:09:00,679 There's a large crowd there when the shooting happen, and 146 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:03,799 many of them are recording it. So I think we're 147 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,159 going to end up seeing a good deal of imagery 148 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,879 about what happened in a relatively short time. But as 149 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,919 has been discussed, we don't have a lot of information 150 00:09:17,039 --> 00:09:22,200 on his condition. But it does fit into this pattern 151 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:30,120 of individuals with grievances disagreements showing up and taking this 152 00:09:30,279 --> 00:09:33,960 kind of violent action. And you can pull out the 153 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,279 file whether it was Luigi Mangioni stalking and killing the 154 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:42,200 head of United Healthcare, or an individual creating a massive 155 00:09:42,279 --> 00:09:45,799 car bomb to blow himself up and a fertility clinic 156 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:52,159 in California, for any of these other targeted acts of violence. 157 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:58,799 We saw the individual with molotov cocktails attacking protesters in 158 00:09:59,159 --> 00:10:03,159 protesting and so of the Israeli hostages in Boulder, Colorado, 159 00:10:04,159 --> 00:10:07,200 or the individual who showed up posing as a police 160 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:11,240 officer to shoot elected officials in Minnesota, and all of 161 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,279 that that we're talking about in these recent incidents are 162 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:19,919 now packed pretty tightly together where we're seeing one of 163 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,919 these things unfold literally every two weeks at this point. 164 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:29,639 So this is a really serious concern, and it obviously 165 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,480 goes across the political spectrum. 166 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 7: And John talk to us about the challenges of securing 167 00:10:37,039 --> 00:10:40,279 an event like the one that Kirk was hosting, in 168 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:44,879 part because he's obviously a controversial figure and he has 169 00:10:44,919 --> 00:10:48,240 these debates where a large crowd is in close proximity, 170 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:51,919 but there is a notable time and place that anyone 171 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,399 out there who may have animosity and the twisted urge 172 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,799 to do something like this, they would know exactly where 173 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,679 he is. So that I imagine for Kirk and his 174 00:11:02,799 --> 00:11:04,279 team presents challenges. 175 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:07,759 Speaker 6: Well, it does, and we've seen this in the past 176 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:13,000 with other controversial speakers, particularly on college campuses. And you know, 177 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,120 most college campuses of this size have their own police 178 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,919 departments and their own security. But what we're looking at 179 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,559 in this case is you have a large, open air, 180 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:30,679 outdoor event. You know, it's an event that probably has 181 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,080 little or no screening. And you know, when you go 182 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,279 from one state to another, the laws and the rules 183 00:11:39,799 --> 00:11:43,320 rules by venue, laws by state about who can carry 184 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,919 a weapon in what circumstances and what kind of places 185 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,320 get more open or looser, you know, as you go west. 186 00:11:51,399 --> 00:11:55,679 So it is possible, and we'll dive into this in 187 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,080 a couple of minutes and get the solid answers. But 188 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,080 it's possible that anybody have shown up for the event. 189 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:03,320 Don't know if it was ticketed or not, but it 190 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,759 appears to be a large open outdoor area. 191 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: Well it was ticketed, but some of the people that 192 00:12:09,879 --> 00:12:13,240 were there said that there really wasn't any screening for 193 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:16,480 the tickets. It was basically a free event. Show up. 194 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,759 The crowd size that people are talking about hundreds, there's 195 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:23,720 others in to me. I looked at the aerial video 196 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,039 many videos of this. There must have been at least 197 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:29,399 a thousand, possibly two thousand people that were in this 198 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:35,759 Amphitheater outdoor Amphitheater area where Charlie Kirk was appearing. The 199 00:12:35,879 --> 00:12:41,399 Cole Parker is a former FBI agent and she has 200 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:46,919 an eyewitness statement that may be disturbing. Here's Nicole Parker. 201 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,879 Speaker 8: So, first of all, everyone needs to pray. That is 202 00:12:50,919 --> 00:12:53,200 all we have right now. We have the power of prayer. 203 00:12:53,799 --> 00:12:55,799 I'm just going to tell you exactly what this witness 204 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:58,559 told me. I have his permission to share this information, 205 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,799 so I'm just literally going to read notes. He was 206 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:03,960 very close by when it occurred. He is a sophomore 207 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,919 at Utah Valley University. The witness, he thought that there 208 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:10,360 were around three hundred to five hundred people. It filled 209 00:13:10,399 --> 00:13:14,639 up the entire courtyard. He saw one shot go through 210 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:19,039 Charlie Kirk's throat. He saw the shot go through in 211 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,720 the witness fell to the ground. He was there with 212 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:27,320 two of his friends. It was outside under a tent 213 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:30,759 area and Charlie Kirk was sitting in a chair and 214 00:13:30,879 --> 00:13:33,120 it was a single pop. He described it as a 215 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,080 single pop and he dropped over immediately as I'm sure 216 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,919 that everyone is seeing there's a video out on social media. 217 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,960 It is absolutely horrifying and I do not recommend people 218 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,039 to see that, but that is going to be key 219 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,480 for law enforcement to have all of that video as evidence. 220 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,279 So he was about twenty to thirty feet away. The 221 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,399 event was from nine am to four pm, and Charlie 222 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,799 started speaking at around twelve pm MISSUS Mountain standard time, 223 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,840 and it was about, you know, a few minutes into it, 224 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,440 he said. It was about an hour into you know, 225 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,360 what he was witnessing. And it was a question and 226 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,159 answer and again we've heard but they someone asked about 227 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:16,919 the school shootings, and they asked how many school shootings 228 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,480 have been committed by those of transgender LGBTQ and approximately 229 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,759 the last ten years. And then the next thing, you know, 230 00:14:22,879 --> 00:14:25,679 the witness heard a gunshot. This one has said that 231 00:14:25,759 --> 00:14:29,320 you could not see where the shooter was and that 232 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:33,399 they you know, they are very very shaken up by this. 233 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:35,279 Right now, obviously it. 234 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: Will okay, So here's where we get into. Nobody saw 235 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:42,360 the shooter, she said. But Jason Schaffuzo will get to 236 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,320 in just a minute. The former congressman from Utah was 237 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:52,120 there with his family and he thinks it was a 238 00:14:52,159 --> 00:14:55,120 close up shot. Now, the crowd around the awning that 239 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:59,360 Charlie sits under at these events probably ten to fifteen 240 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:03,080 feet back. They have they have barricades, but it's close, 241 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,120 but it's not right up next to him. 242 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: Uh. 243 00:15:06,279 --> 00:15:08,879 Speaker 1: The university, like I said, says that it was from 244 00:15:08,919 --> 00:15:14,120 two hundred yards away and uh, on a high powered rifle. 245 00:15:14,559 --> 00:15:19,320 So let's start with Jason Shavitz and what he saw 246 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,759 there in Utah. 247 00:15:21,799 --> 00:15:23,519 Speaker 2: Oh, it's he's one of a kind. 248 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 9: I mean, I really thought that years from now we'd 249 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:31,559 be saying yeah, President Charlie Kirk because for a generation, 250 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,799 he nobody speaks to them like he like he does. 251 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,320 He has built a coalition and it's based on policy 252 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:43,039 and argument, and it's and it's based on on on 253 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:47,240 a belief and challenging people. And he was stimulating a 254 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:50,159 younger generation who wasn't getting it in the classroom. He's 255 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,799 getting it online and he was getting it going on 256 00:15:53,799 --> 00:15:57,080 on television and doing on campus things. I've been to 257 00:15:57,159 --> 00:15:59,799 a couple of his on campus and he literally will 258 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:04,000 say there and answer questions from anybody, and and and 259 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,679 and challenge them and not always agree with him and 260 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,440 take sometimes a controversial position, but that's what he believed 261 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,679 in America, and there is nobody, but nobody in senior 262 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:22,120 Republican politics that didn't admire and interact with Charlie Kirk's. 263 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,080 He is a political force that transformed the last couple 264 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:32,799 of elections and moving forward, I mean incredibly influential because 265 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:35,360 he won the argument and that's what we hadn't seen 266 00:16:35,399 --> 00:16:38,440 in a generation. I can, I can, I just want 267 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,600 to add this thing. When Charlie Kirk first started, the 268 00:16:41,639 --> 00:16:44,480 first speaker came up and the question was about religion, 269 00:16:44,879 --> 00:16:47,639 and the guy wanted to debate the religion. Now, the 270 00:16:47,679 --> 00:16:51,000 community in Utah is very much members of the Church 271 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:54,039 of Jesus Christ, the Latter day Saints, and he went 272 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,399 out of his way to say, I'm not here. I 273 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,840 am here as a supporter of Jesus Christ. I am 274 00:17:00,919 --> 00:17:05,039 a supporter of God. I want people to pray, and 275 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,920 we may disagree on certain things, but I love the 276 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,720 LDS people, I love Mormons, and if you think that 277 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:13,799 I'm here to debate your religion, I'm not. 278 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:16,319 Speaker 2: I love the LDS people. And the crowd cheered. 279 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:18,519 Speaker 9: Not everybody in that crowd is going to be a 280 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:20,799 member of the Church of Jesus Christ the Latter day Saints. 281 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,160 But he tackled that right away from the first question, 282 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,279 and I think he gave it the right. When we 283 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,960 go back and play the video and you listen to 284 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,720 his answer, he says what he's always said, which is, 285 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:36,880 get on your knees pray. And he talked about your 286 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,559 spiritual journey. So even though the person he was speaking 287 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,119 with disagreed with him, he talked about your spiritual journey 288 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:49,440 like my spiritual journey. And it was so well received. 289 00:17:50,079 --> 00:17:53,079 And then the second person came up to speak and 290 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,079 was given the mic, and that's when the question was, 291 00:17:56,599 --> 00:17:59,680 do you know how many people and I'm not getting 292 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,680 it for but do you know how many people of 293 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:10,480 transgenders have participated in gun violence and and mass shootings 294 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:15,359 versus non transgender And as Charlie Kirk was getting ready 295 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,599 to answer that and have this discussion back and forth, 296 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:24,599 that's when the shot rang out. And and that's that's 297 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,400 why we're sitting here now talking about it. 298 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:30,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, So Jason Shavis was right there. He's from Utah. 299 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,880 He used to represent the third District of Utah, and 300 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,119 he was at the Chartaker event. Chris Wecker, former FBI, 301 00:18:40,279 --> 00:18:43,720 like the second guy in command of the FBI, weighs 302 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,319 in on from the law enforcement angle. 303 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 10: And listening to the coverage with great interest. And of course, 304 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,079 you know, Charlie is an iconic personality and an iconic 305 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,839 figure in conservative circles and beyond that. Even as you 306 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,920 mentioned he you know, he wants to hear from everybody. 307 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,039 My mind goes immediately to the fact that this, because 308 00:19:05,079 --> 00:19:08,279 of who he is and where he was, this feels 309 00:19:08,319 --> 00:19:11,480 like political violence to me. And it's no it's no 310 00:19:11,559 --> 00:19:14,960 consolation to his family or his friends or anyone else 311 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,359 for that matter, but it does matter in the sense that, 312 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:23,160 you know, when it's political violence, it's terrorism, and terrorism 313 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,079 is a unique type of crime, if you will. It's 314 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,559 trying to intimidate the public or a certain you know, 315 00:19:29,759 --> 00:19:32,680 a certain group of people into seeing their point of 316 00:19:32,759 --> 00:19:36,839 view or making some sort of political change. So you 317 00:19:36,839 --> 00:19:38,519 know that it's gonna the f guy is going to 318 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:40,880 come in fast and hard on this one, and they're 319 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,559 gonna they're gonna they're gonna work it like it's political 320 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:49,200 violence or terrorism until we see facts otherwise. So you'll 321 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,480 see them on the scene very quickly and very prominent. 322 00:19:52,279 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 11: Do you have a sense, Chris we have you know, 323 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:58,799 Jason Chafis who was on the scene and understands the 324 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,720 terrain of the areas sort of an amphitheater setup and 325 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:05,680 the tent was at the base of it, and then 326 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:09,160 the ground goes upward. As you can kind of see 327 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,640 in this image, there are some balconies from around the 328 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,400 outside which I've seen people walking on. You can see 329 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,079 one of them to the right there. That is part 330 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,960 of this. This This is moments before this happened. This 331 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,559 is Charlie Kirk's own video from Turning Point that has 332 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:26,359 been sent out of him getting ready for this big event. 333 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:30,799 But the Universe the school has suggested that it came 334 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:33,519 from two hundred yards away this shot from a building. 335 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:38,200 Jason Chafitz felt that it came from closer. In any 336 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,200 thoughts on that, Chris. 337 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,079 Speaker 10: Wecker, Yeah, I mean I've looked at the layout as well, 338 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,240 and I can say this. I was talking to a 339 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:49,759 university today about organizing a security around an event something 340 00:20:49,839 --> 00:20:52,440 that would be similar to this, and that's not an 341 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,480 optimum security situation where you're you know, you're down you're 342 00:20:57,519 --> 00:21:00,440 in a situation where pretty much anyone in this this 343 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:06,039 sort of make amphitheater type arrangement can shoot down on you. 344 00:21:06,039 --> 00:21:07,039 Speaker 12: You know, facts are. 345 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 10: Still still coming in. We don't really know where these 346 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,599 shots came from. But it's what I'm looking at and 347 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,000 what I've seen and what i've heard described. It looks 348 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,400 like a security nightmare to me. 349 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 11: And as Jason Chafis was saying, I'm talking to the 350 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:26,079 former FBI director, as his director, Chris Wecker, he said, 351 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:28,319 you know, there really isn't much security in this environment. 352 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 2: It's seen as a very friendly environment. 353 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:36,079 Speaker 11: Campus environment, friendly to Charlie Kirk in Utah. So he said, 354 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,200 you know, we don't There wasn't really much security at 355 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:42,200 least as much as far as he could see. 356 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,079 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean that is that's what we deal with 357 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,279 in the academic environment. You know, they don't want to 358 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:54,319 see a lot of security at events like this because 359 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,599 they feel like it inhibits, you know, the dialogue and 360 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:01,640 the atmosphere. And you know, I'd like to advocate for security, 361 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,319 visible security as a deterrent, but much of your security 362 00:22:05,319 --> 00:22:07,279 you may want to keep out of sight in this 363 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,839 type of setting. But you know, this again, I don't 364 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:15,359 know what the circumstances are here and what the security 365 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,440 setup was, but at least the photos that I've seen 366 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:21,759 and the layout that I've seen on the news reports, 367 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,759 I don't see any security at all, which is kind 368 00:22:24,759 --> 00:22:27,400 of unusual. I mean, I'm sure there is some somewhere, 369 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,519 but it doesn't look like there was a whole lot 370 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:32,640 of visible security, which is to me, is a deterrent. 371 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,599 You know, we're seeing so much, so much of this 372 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,440 that you have to really overplan events like this and 373 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,240 then hope that things go better than what you plan for. 374 00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:44,279 Speaker 12: You know. 375 00:22:44,839 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 11: I know we touched with Tommy larn earlier and she 376 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,559 was saying that at certain college events that she does, 377 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:52,960 and she's done many of these alongside Charlie Kirk over 378 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,279 the years, as they were coming up in this you know, 379 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,200 conservative speaker industry, for lack of a better word, over 380 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,000 the last couple of decades, that there was security on 381 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:05,599 a lot of campuses, but it seems that you know, 382 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,079 at this one, perhaps they felt it wasn't necessary. And 383 00:23:09,079 --> 00:23:10,559 on the left hand side of your screen is one 384 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,119 of these debates, the prove me wrong debates that Charlie 385 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,359 Kirk has become famous for. Let me just ask you this, Chris, 386 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,680 there were they say that a suspect is in custody. 387 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,559 You know, what's the process in terms of investigating. 388 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 4: On this property. 389 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 11: Pam Bondi is saying that FBI and AHTF are on 390 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:29,400 the scene. 391 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,079 Speaker 10: Yeah, they're going to have to set up a unified 392 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:35,799 command post. And most of the police chiefs and the 393 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,279 first responders and the federal agencies all know what that means, 394 00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:42,720 and so they gather up and very quickly will they 395 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,319 will sort of have a joint unified command sharing the 396 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,799 FBI with the local police chief. I doubt the campus 397 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:52,799 chief would be in that role. I think would be 398 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,480 the local police chief. And I think at a very 399 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,319 beginning of this, at the front end of this, the 400 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,400 FBI is going to run the show. This looks very 401 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,480 much like and there's almost a presumption that this is 402 00:24:04,519 --> 00:24:07,079 an act of domestic chroism. We can always back off 403 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,759 from that if we need to, but that's where they're 404 00:24:09,799 --> 00:24:11,160 going to start from, and they're going to start with 405 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,319 that unified command post. 406 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: So one of the issues of doing the podcast is 407 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,440 you don't listen to it live. It's not like a 408 00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:23,599 radio broadcast. So I don't know what time you're going 409 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,480 to hear this, but we just got word moments ago 410 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,359 President Trump on true social said, the great and even 411 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:38,559 legendary Charlie Kirk is dead. No one understood or had 412 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:40,759 the heart of the youth in the United States of 413 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:45,200 America better than Charlie. He was loved and admired by all, 414 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,839 especially me, And now he is no longer with us. 415 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,200 Melania and my sympathies go out to his beautiful wife, 416 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,279 Erica and family. Charlie. We love you. Yeah, Charlie Kirk. 417 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,240 So he is at the age of thirty one. He 418 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:07,400 was born in nineteen ninety three, died twenty twenty five, 419 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:17,759 wife and two small children. So the political violence shows 420 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:22,160 its ugly head one more time. Well, I don't know 421 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,400 what to say. Now. We have a bunch of people 422 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,160 from earlier that I grabbed. This is kind of a 423 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,880 strange one. There was a local Utah television station that 424 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,279 was talking to some man that was at the event 425 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:44,319 and he claims that he knows who the guy is 426 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,599 who did the shooting or was arrested for doing the shooting, 427 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,839 but he claims the guy isn't guilty of it. Listen, 428 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:52,920 to this apologize. 429 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 13: Let's go to this witness on the same a little 430 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,599 bit backstage, and I turned a look and they were 431 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,920 arresting a guy by the name of George Zim. Yeah, 432 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000 I know the guy. I don't think he did it. 433 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,559 I think they arrested the wrong guy. I think whoever 434 00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:06,160 did it was a good shooter, a sharp shooter. It 435 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,799 was run shot right directly to the heart, and we 436 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:10,920 need to find out who did this. I think there 437 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,920 should be a research that completely done. Take that took 438 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,200 place hours, maybe a day before anything went on. Who 439 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,000 could be there and pull that trigger into it? And 440 00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:22,279 I don't think it was George Zim. He was poured broke, 441 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:25,559 he maybe was on medication, a little bit of looney boon, 442 00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:28,279 maybe a perfect person to pick and say they did it. 443 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,039 Speaker 2: But I don't think he did it at all. So 444 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:32,359 at this point, but did you see him take it 445 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,000 into custody. 446 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:34,799 Speaker 13: Did you see him with any kind of thing in 447 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:36,920 his hand, any device in his hand, or anything like that. 448 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,160 I saw when they when they actually put the handcuss 449 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:40,920 behind his back. 450 00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:42,319 Speaker 2: I followed him and they. 451 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 4: Go to Jason Chafitz. You know, obviously there's going to be. 452 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,799 Speaker 1: Kind of a very excitable guy that said he knew 453 00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,359 the guy and that he was a looney bird, but 454 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:57,400 he wouldn't have shot Jari Kirk. Let's go to more 455 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,599 on Jason Shavitz. 456 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,039 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think at this hour, I mean I'm looking 457 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:06,200 at my clock here and it's you know, barely been 458 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,720 what an hour and a half hour and forty five minutes. 459 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:14,519 I think this video, some of the videos and shots 460 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:19,279 that are coming off on social media jump into conclusions. 461 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,119 Please don't do that. You're going to disparage people, and 462 00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,799 the shooter will come out. We'll there's too many cameras rolling, 463 00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,759 too many people there. But there's some people that the 464 00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:33,279 police may have, you know, hey, let's detain this person 465 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,200 real quick. That probably and maybe have nothing to do 466 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,960 with it. So just be careful. I think that energy 467 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:44,400 is probably better spent in prayer and for Charlie and 468 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:44,960 his family. 469 00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:48,759 Speaker 1: One more look at it from the law enforcement Agle, 470 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:53,599 Paul Morrow had these comments about the shooting this afternoon. 471 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 12: Well, I apologize for the background noise. I just landed 472 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:01,720 here in West Palm Beach to cover four the Ryan 473 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:05,519 Ruth trial, and you know, the irony of that has 474 00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:07,680 to come home to all of us, because that was 475 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,079 the second or third potential attempt on the life of 476 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:16,440 Donald Trump and more political violence. And now we have this, 477 00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:19,160 I can tell you as part of the investigation. The 478 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,039 first thing, of course, is just to do everything you 479 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,839 can for the victim. We hope that there was an 480 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,680 evacuation plan set up, that there was a way to 481 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,000 get him out of there rapidly so that you can 482 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,640 get him to the nearest trauma center. So that's the 483 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,240 first thing that I'm thinking. But then after that, so 484 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,440 partedly there is somebody that is in custody. I've got 485 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:40,960 some sourcing on it. I hesitate to say more because 486 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,240 right now, you know, as we've learned so many times, Martha, 487 00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,200 of the first hundred reports ninety nine or row. But 488 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,519 the person that is in custody, you know, we have 489 00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:53,839 to start to look at him and go backwards from 490 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,000 there and make sure he's not part of something else. 491 00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:58,839 And you also have to recognize that this is going 492 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,799 to be part of a prosecute. Sudn't, so you have 493 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,039 to proceed that way. So this has to be considered. 494 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,200 There'll be a command post set up, they're going to 495 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,960 be pulling video, they're going to be doing all the 496 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,240 stuff that we talk about all the time, but in 497 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,519 a crowd situation, which is what we had here, it 498 00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,160 was very, very difficult. And you know what, can you say, 499 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,519 it's just another event like this that brings home to us, 500 00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:23,720 that's this political violence that seems to be endemic these 501 00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:27,319 days among the left. I have to say it. It's 502 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,480 just on and on and on, and I'm waiting to 503 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,279 see what the excuse is for this one will be Look, 504 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:36,119 there is going to be a ton of video. And 505 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,519 again I go back to the instance in Butler, right, 506 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,440 because there are some commonalities here, a crowd, a shot 507 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,359 that may have come from a ways away. It shows 508 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,440 you how lucky we got in Butler when you consider 509 00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:55,400 the horrific video that's going around relative to poor Mistic Kirk. 510 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,839 And you know, what can you say about the fact 511 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:03,160 that this seems to be ultimately where all of I mean, 512 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,200 he was an influential figure. He was somebody who knew 513 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,720 how to go out and speak to the youth. He 514 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,960 was in colleges and that made him, I am sure of, 515 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,240 are major irritant to a lot of people out there 516 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:21,519 that don't agree with him. So as Chris Weker said, 517 00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:23,880 this is almost certainly going to be looked at as terrorism. 518 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,759 Now it's likely domestic and so there isn't really a 519 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,920 charge for that. But they're going to proceed from here 520 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,720 as if this was a political thing, that this was 521 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,359 obviously quite targeted, and it's going to be a vlumitus investigation. 522 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,839 We just hoped that for Charlie Mace's well. 523 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: That was from earlier and Charlie did not make it. 524 00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:46,279 Charlie Kirk passed away at the age of thirty one 525 00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:52,279 after being shot at Utah Valleys University in orm Utah. Today, 526 00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,880 we don't know about the shooter yet. I'm sure we will. 527 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,039 Like I said, there where everybody and their brother had 528 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,799 a camera. It was it was ninety nine percent college students, 529 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,559 so they all have their phones and their cameras and 530 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,119 we'll find out more about that. SES today goes on, 531 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,720 let me wrap this up with the standard wrap up. 532 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,640 Will tell you what happened on Wall Street today. I 533 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:22,880 know it seems petty compared to the loss of Charlie Kirk. Today, 534 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,640 the Dow did finish down two hundred and twenty after 535 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,200 setting the record yesterday forty five thousand and four ninety 536 00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:35,039 SMP was positive. By nineteen, the SMP was up barely 537 00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:39,559 up six, gold fell just two dollars down to thirty 538 00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:42,319 six seventy nine, and the price of oil went up 539 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:46,880 over a dollar today is now sixty three dollars or 540 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,079 a barrel of oil. We thank you for coming by, 541 00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:53,799 say a prayer for Charlie's family, and we'll see you 542 00:31:53,799 --> 00:32:01,559 again tomorrow