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Speaker 4: Hello. Welcome back to the No Way Hose Podcasts. This
Speaker 4: is your host, jose Galison. Today we are joined by
Speaker 4: the great William Ramsey. We've had him on the show
Speaker 4: a handful of times, so I'm sure we'll have him
Speaker 4: on more to come. He's wrote a spate of books,
Speaker 4: a great researcher. Like to consider him a friend, and uh,
Speaker 4: we're here on unique times. We are here to cover
Speaker 4: The Manchurian Candidate, which was a book and a couple
Speaker 4: movies and obviously it's kind of a concept within our
Speaker 4: realm and it's kind of we're in a weird time
Speaker 4: where things are surreal right now, I know this is
Speaker 4: goes Paywalld. So when this comes out it might be
Speaker 4: a little bit weird, but I still think it'll make
Speaker 4: sense today on the recording of this, Charlie Kirk was murdered.
Speaker 4: Life just it's recordings, it's a wild but I mean,
Speaker 4: with us talking about mesuring kind obviously we know nothing yet.
Speaker 4: But I mean even with that, we have that. You know,
Speaker 4: there's other things in the nudes. We have the this
Speaker 4: recent Ukrainian killing and the and the murderer himself is
Speaker 4: already claiming mk ultra type claims. I mean, this is this,
Speaker 4: this topic today cuts the root of a lot of this.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: In most parapolitical books when they talk on mk ultra
Speaker 4: the like, usually it kind of starts around the lore
Speaker 4: of the Manchurian candidate, and uh, we're cutting through that
Speaker 4: today and uh, I don't know, maybe it'll be it'll
Speaker 4: resound uh by the time this comes out, because we
Speaker 4: are in odd times. But that's enough of that. Let's
Speaker 4: get William in here. What is up, my friend? We
Speaker 4: are living in odd odd times. So uh, yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know if you have any thoughts on that. Like
Speaker 4: I said, I mean, it's weird not to mention it
Speaker 4: considering the topic, but obviously we know nothing. I think
Speaker 4: as of right now, there's been I think one suspect
Speaker 4: that initially they thought might be the guy, and that's
Speaker 4: kind of seems like that's at least they're not going
Speaker 4: that now. But it literally just happened hours ago. So
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm gonna be covering. I'm gonna have Ken, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have Ken Silva on my show tomorrow in
Speaker 4: the morning show, so my live show, so I'm sure
Speaker 4: we'll probably have some a little bit more by then.
Speaker 4: But man, just wild times. But I don't know if any thoughts,
Speaker 4: if you want it anyway, draw the connections to Manchurian candidate,
Speaker 4: because as we were talking about, but I mean, there's
Speaker 4: plenty of other current examples. I think I forgot to
Speaker 4: mention Ryan Rauth. He's also seemingly prepper preparing himself for
Speaker 4: some sort of insanity argument with some of the craziness
Speaker 4: coming out of the legal ordeal over there lately. I've
Speaker 4: covered that a little bit on my show. But yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I'm kind of hemming and hauling enough.
Speaker 4: If you have any thoughts otherwise we can kind of
Speaker 4: just go ahead and get into the Manchurian candidate. Maybe
Speaker 4: you can tell us why this is sort of relevant.
Speaker 4: I've already kind of already laid that out, but maybe
Speaker 4: you have more thoughts to set out for it.
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on, so you know, you have
Speaker 1: to have sympathy for the family of Charlie Cook thirty one,
Speaker 1: just a guy who's into free speech. So if you're
Speaker 1: a free speech advocate on that regard, you have to
Speaker 1: kind of rue the day that this day, there'll be
Speaker 1: a day of infamy for ever that somebody shot him
Speaker 1: in the neck and a young guy who never advocated
Speaker 1: violence really wasn't you know, just to talk or so
Speaker 1: I think that that's important to remember. And it's still
Speaker 1: we're kind of still in the kind of fog of
Speaker 1: these assassinations and other assassinations. Actually to this day. You
Speaker 1: mentioned Ruth, we don't know that much about him. Some
Speaker 1: people have tied him to the State Department. We have
Speaker 1: crooks which we don't know much about. Luigi Manngioni, Nikita
Speaker 1: Cassap who was a literal nine to a Niner member
Speaker 1: who wanted to kill Trump, and killed his parents. You
Speaker 1: had recently Robin Westman, the trans assassin in Minnesota to
Speaker 1: Carlos Brown, who said that he had material in his body.
Speaker 1: So like he's either prepping for the insanity defense or
Speaker 1: is insane.
Speaker 4: I mean, it sounds ridiculous, but who knows. Maybe they
Speaker 4: are mk altering inner city blacks or whatever homeless. I mean,
Speaker 4: they do. They have a history of targeting, the targeting
Speaker 4: the down trodden populations. Don't get me wrong, I kind
Speaker 4: of doubt that, but I mean it's not outside the
Speaker 4: mo of the indeligence agencies, not at all, not.
Speaker 1: Even at all. And then you have this guy Shane
Speaker 1: Tumora who went to Black Rock shot people from the NFL.
Speaker 1: I think he said that he had disappeared, so strange
Speaker 1: things and even going all the way back. So I
Speaker 1: used the kind of the fictional elements of man Cheerion
Speaker 1: Candidate film, the original one that was released in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty two. I use that as a device to kind
Speaker 1: of help people understand what's happening in the present day
Speaker 1: with this kind of flurry of crazed assassins going after
Speaker 1: the president. And now we don't know what's going on
Speaker 1: with the Kirk, but there it seemed to be a
Speaker 1: kind of a sophisticated operation. There were other people arrested
Speaker 1: on there that we're making a bunch of noise as
Speaker 1: a distraction. So a lot of times, and even in
Speaker 1: the JFK assassination, which we're coming up on the anniversary soon, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was he was assassed. I think he was killed
Speaker 1: at about one o'clock. But before that time, there was
Speaker 1: a epileptic seizure right in the middle of the street.
Speaker 1: So all the cops there and then the paramedics took
Speaker 1: care of this guy, took him to the hospital. He
Speaker 1: disappeared and they never found out his name, so he
Speaker 1: kind of cleared out the area.
Speaker 4: Can't but notice tomorrow September eleventh, too, I didn't even
Speaker 4: notice into my daughter mentioned. I was like, whoa, it's
Speaker 4: a odd timing. I don't know, maybe it's just my
Speaker 4: parent recognition, but I've noticed it passed like a week
Speaker 4: or two or actually past week has been a pretty
Speaker 4: big story rehashing from an old story of kind of
Speaker 4: the old art students that were looking into the nine
Speaker 4: to eleven, you know, or not nine eleven, the kind
Speaker 4: of looking to federal buildings shortly before that particularly came
Speaker 4: from Israel. So yeah, I don't know why I initially
Speaker 4: dug into that, but point being is just the the timing,
Speaker 4: the I don't know, it's it's hard not to notice
Speaker 4: these pats in this realm. You never know to what
Speaker 4: degree Am I just giving too much umbrage to things?
Speaker 4: But I mean dates matter, especially. It always seems to
Speaker 4: be anniversaries, and it always sometimes they seem to have
Speaker 4: like a day off, because there's like a few things
Speaker 4: on April nineteenth, there's a few things on April twentieth.
Speaker 4: Then I think there's also some things on tenth as well,
Speaker 4: September tenth and September eleventh. I don't know offhand, but
Speaker 4: I vaguely recall there being some I know, you get
Speaker 4: more into that realm, so maybe you know better than
Speaker 4: I do. But I just as you're mentioning it just
Speaker 4: recalled like, yeah, tomorrow is September eleventh, and we just
Speaker 4: had what I think could very well. I mean, time
Speaker 4: will tell by the time this especially hits the public
Speaker 4: in a couple of weeks from now, as opposed to
Speaker 4: the patrons. I mean, I've seen some people comparing this
Speaker 4: to a reichs Dog moment, and I think they're right.
Speaker 4: The only creepy part about it is when they are
Speaker 4: these people that I've been seeing a lot of these
Speaker 4: viral messages of oh, it's a Reichsag. Well, then they're
Speaker 4: taking and that means now we got to root out
Speaker 4: the commis, and we got to X, Y and Z
Speaker 4: and this and that, and you're like, well, you're missing
Speaker 4: the point of the Reichstag. The Reich's dog is, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously I don't claim to be an historical scholar,
Speaker 4: but I know many of us, pecially in Aroun, think
Speaker 4: there may have been some chicanery afoot, perhaps some sort
Speaker 4: of false flag, and so to take the oh now
Speaker 4: we must marshal in or usher in martial power because
Speaker 4: of this event, Well you're kind of taking the bait.
Speaker 4: And so I think that people are right, this might
Speaker 4: be a Reichstag moment, but unfortunately like not in the
Speaker 4: way of like, oh, well now we need to go
Speaker 4: attack our enemies. I'm almost a little bit concerned. I'm
Speaker 4: seeing that narrative take a little bit of feat at
Speaker 4: this moment too, to be honest, So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I guess I just threw a lot at you there.
Speaker 4: But we're in a weird, unique time and I don't know,
Speaker 4: there's all this stuff kind of ties into it. So
Speaker 4: obviously I don't want to try to delve into speculation
Speaker 4: whatsoever because it's very early. But it's hard not to
Speaker 4: connect the themes.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you have to see this. Can you
Speaker 1: talk a lot about kind of gladiol and strategy of tension,
Speaker 1: and I think it has to be seen in that.
Speaker 1: But also is this kind of collective mind control stuff
Speaker 1: where they're ramping up the chaos for whatever reason and
Speaker 1: it's actually happening worldwide, but this will really stoke the fire.
Speaker 1: So but the rights to eggs another show. Yeh, A
Speaker 1: huge amount of problems with that, Yeah, huge amount of
Speaker 1: problems with vanderl As.
Speaker 4: He's a patsy exactly what I was driving out, which
Speaker 4: I have no love loss for Commis, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 4: but it's like, also, I've studied gladiol and that was
Speaker 4: most of the time, it's just this low hanging fruit
Speaker 4: of Oh well, the the stupid conservatives will buy you
Speaker 4: if you buy it, if you just go it's Commis,
Speaker 4: then they'll go, Okay, cool, uh, and they just kind
Speaker 4: of over over and over again. Oh, it's commedy's comings
Speaker 4: to justify their evil. And just because they're comedis doesn't
Speaker 4: mean you can do evil to them. I don't know. Uh,
Speaker 4: but yeah, sorry, I don't need to keep cuting you off,
Speaker 4: because there's a lot going through my mind in this
Speaker 4: given point time.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, I mean, I think that that it
Speaker 1: is important to look at all these events. I don't
Speaker 1: know how this is going to play out. Clearly the
Speaker 1: right is very angry. This guy was a liked person
Speaker 1: and uh, I mean he was a place where you
Speaker 1: could shoot them, which is really weird. But it's in
Speaker 1: the realm of these other shooters. These people are trying
Speaker 1: to get Trump, they're still trying to kill them. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know, me, I don't even know. I know
Speaker 1: there's public assassins, but how many assassins haven't really been
Speaker 1: Not all of them are actually the bulge. There was
Speaker 1: another one that was caught by secret service in DC,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we ever learned his name. So
Speaker 1: this will reverberate, I think, And I think before you
Speaker 1: have these huge societal upheavals, there are steps, like steps
Speaker 1: to the Civil War. There were things that happened Harper's Ferry,
Speaker 1: the Fort Sumpter event, and so I think that this
Speaker 1: is like one of these ramp ups, like this will
Speaker 1: be a water mark or it'll be some kind of
Speaker 1: memory of like, Okay, then Charlie Kirk assassinated, shot in
Speaker 1: the neck and really gruesome way like it's very ugly stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I know a lot of people might be mad
Speaker 4: at me some stuff is that I genuinely am like
Speaker 4: like this is I'm like, this is wild, this is
Speaker 4: not good. It's really sad. Obviously, I do think I've
Speaker 4: I definitely have my issues and I've said these you know,
Speaker 4: had despicable takes on some things. But at this end
Speaker 4: of the day, he, like you said before, he's never
Speaker 4: done any violence to anyone. And he might advocate for
Speaker 4: some and sometimes certain situations where I disagree with that,
Speaker 4: but it's just words. If anything, I didn't, I would
Speaker 4: never want any violence to come to him because if anything,
Speaker 4: you know, like for me, who has disagree so it
Speaker 4: takes this counter to what I want. That's going to
Speaker 4: make him a martyr, uh and kind of lion eyes.
Speaker 4: A lot of his beliefs, I mean some of which
Speaker 4: I obviously would like that those things can line eyes,
Speaker 4: but they are obviously things that I don't But point
Speaker 4: being is, it's a just what a what a weird
Speaker 4: time we were entering the years of lead, is what
Speaker 4: it seems like. But yeah, it's just tragic. It's just tragic.
Speaker 4: I mean, it is scary to see our us going
Speaker 4: in this uh in this this I don't know, this
Speaker 4: is this direction. It's a it's very weird. We crossed
Speaker 4: an odd doorway here and I don't like it. But yeah,
Speaker 4: but it goes back.
Speaker 1: So I think that the man Cheerian candidate. I mean
Speaker 1: you mentioned numerology. Yeah, book itself and the film are
Speaker 1: full of numerology. They really are remarkable in that sense.
Speaker 1: Like in this this was suppressed. The film was suppressed
Speaker 1: for twenty five years. He was released in sixty two
Speaker 1: before the JFK assassination in November of sixty three. And
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things about the background and one
Speaker 1: things that why I bring it up, And it's an
Speaker 1: important cultural artifact and kind of like for parapolitics as
Speaker 1: well for an innumerable amount of reasons. But it was
Speaker 1: made with the kind of oversight, an interest of JFKA himself.
Speaker 1: So he was very close friends with Frank Sinatra, who
Speaker 1: was kind of the producer. He was kind of the
Speaker 1: kingpin to get the project done.
Speaker 4: Now about the right, real quick, I've heard this before.
Speaker 4: Now this was a book before prior, right, well, this
Speaker 4: was a book that Condon book. Yeah, rich In Condon book.
Speaker 1: See that you bring it up on the if you
Speaker 1: bring it up.
Speaker 4: On the side to see the cobad sorry, yeah, movie.
Speaker 1: And then here's the slides of the slide. I mean
Speaker 1: that's Crooks Ruth. He's this I made a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago before this assassination. Nelms, Chapman, Pinkley, Levelsberger, Jabbar.
Speaker 1: There's the movie cover. This is the book cover. So
Speaker 1: and that's Richard Condon right there. So fifty nine. And
Speaker 1: there's direct quotes from the book in the film. So
Speaker 1: he put this book out and there's tons of elevens
Speaker 1: and things like that. So nine to eleven, this is
Speaker 1: this master number.
Speaker 4: So this was fifty nine. And then the the movie.
Speaker 4: The first movie was in the sixties, right, what was
Speaker 4: the early sixties.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to released in in I think it
Speaker 1: was November of sixty two.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm only asking because it's like I'm trying to
Speaker 4: get a grasp because I mean, obviously I'm getting a
Speaker 4: little bit ahead of ourselves. But there's a lot of spooky,
Speaker 4: weird connection type stuff. They're like, how could you almost
Speaker 4: even know this? And then knowing that it's a movie
Speaker 4: based off a book, you're like, well, did they change
Speaker 4: some things? How far was it? And it's only it
Speaker 4: sounds like only a few years prior, so I guess
Speaker 4: it makes it easier for like, if it was decades prior,
Speaker 4: becomes far more spooky of how did all these weird
Speaker 4: occurrences seem to line up? Which we'll get into a bit,
Speaker 4: but I just want to be clear in that. So
Speaker 4: it's only a few years different, So it's not some
Speaker 4: like one year difference.
Speaker 1: It's one year difference. Yeah, one year difference between the
Speaker 1: release of the book and the jfk assassination.
Speaker 4: Okay, there you go, And so okay, so there was
Speaker 4: a release, all right, Now that ties that that's a
Speaker 4: good way to match. So I'm assuming then it gets yes,
Speaker 4: that's right, then it gets released after it. So that's
Speaker 4: a good way to conceptualize the timeline. The book's written
Speaker 4: and then the assassination happens about a year later, and
Speaker 4: then a year and some change later after that the
Speaker 4: movie comes out. There you go, right.
Speaker 1: The movie was released in sixty two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the book is released in.
Speaker 1: Fifty nine, and the assassin an assassination of JFK. Supposedly,
Speaker 1: what the public was told was he was assassinated by
Speaker 1: a lone communist nut Lee Harvey Oswald on November twenty second,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. It's pure how was pure nonsense. But
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things in the overlapping things of
Speaker 1: the book in the movie is this concept of this Manchurian.
Speaker 1: This is somebody who's created as a patsy, created as
Speaker 1: an assassin, and moved into place to assassinate a political figure.
Speaker 1: So it's a political assassination is kind of the key element,
Speaker 1: and that's what ties into these modern events. These are
Speaker 1: political assassinations. So the Manchurian candidate is kind of like
Speaker 1: a template if you read it. Condon is very bright.
Speaker 1: He had a lot of great classical illusions. He's a
Speaker 1: smart Writer's from of reference is good, but he also
Speaker 1: knew kind of the For some reason, he was able
Speaker 1: to distill a lot of the mind control, MK ultra
Speaker 1: and other things that were happening in the fifties and
Speaker 1: seeded into his book. So, even though it's fiction, it
Speaker 1: reads like fact, and he has characters that portray it's
Speaker 1: almost like, what's the guy who wrote Jurassic Park or whatever. Well,
Speaker 1: those books have like a lot of science fact in
Speaker 1: them even though they're fiction. So I think that that
Speaker 1: Condon's writing is like that he has that capacity to
Speaker 1: put it in there. So he has a character by
Speaker 1: the name of yen Lo who literally is telling these
Speaker 1: like people like it's incredible. He like relates how he's
Speaker 1: inducing them into kind of a hypnotic state. And I
Speaker 1: can either bring up some videos or some let me
Speaker 1: see if I can find my PDFs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you get a video, we can bring that up. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The uh, it's it's pretty remarkable. In all this, I
Speaker 1: have like a hypno Oswald thing too. We can go
Speaker 1: into that, yeah, because we're coming.
Speaker 4: Yeah, obviously I've been some fairy vibes as well. Hypnotism
Speaker 4: was very much in vogue during this period of time.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of like public like things like
Speaker 1: even at Jack Ruby's club, they had an amateur not
Speaker 1: an amateur but kind of like an entertainer hypnotism, who
Speaker 1: would hypnotize people if they came in.
Speaker 4: So one of the uh, well, actually I think it
Speaker 4: was either one or two of the De trou victims
Speaker 4: were I think I want to say it's two, but
Speaker 4: I don't know for sure, at least one of them.
Speaker 4: If it's two, they were kidnapped together, but they had
Speaker 4: just gone to see a hypnotist just prior before getting kidnapped,
Speaker 4: and I thought that was some sort of hypnotist show
Speaker 4: of some sort. But I just thought that, Yeah, hypnotism
Speaker 4: in this go hand in hand. Hell, even just recently
Speaker 4: some of my okay se content I was covering about
Speaker 4: how they were hypnotizing witnesses on for like possible John
Speaker 4: Doe two people when you're like, well, are you necessarily
Speaker 4: trying to get down to the truth, there are here
Speaker 4: trying to obscure it. So, uh, Yeah, it comes up
Speaker 4: a lot, for many different reasons, and many of which
Speaker 4: are more sinister than others.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it comes up. A lot of actually comes up
Speaker 1: in the JFK event. One of the main handlers of
Speaker 1: Oswald is this defrocked priest who likes boys. He likes
Speaker 1: teen boys. That's his thing. He's gay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Fairy, that's what I was mentioned it. So this
Speaker 4: gives me fairy vibes already it was getting at yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, but it's interesting how close it reflects this book,
Speaker 1: like the information that's in this book.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well what you mentioned symbolism. I know with Fairy
Speaker 4: there's very much a lot of like Catholic and religious symbolism.
Speaker 4: Isn't that seated somewhat throughout the book? Isn't there a
Speaker 4: character that kind of fills a similar role? Or am
Speaker 4: I remembering that grit incorrectly?
Speaker 1: David Fairy was a defruct Catholic priest, but he couldn't
Speaker 1: get back in so he joined something. This is like
Speaker 1: a non aligned Catholic church fake inversion. He could wear
Speaker 1: he could wear his stuff, he could wear his his
Speaker 1: clothes or he could wear his things like, but he
Speaker 1: couldn't be a Catholic priest anymore. So like, yeah, let
Speaker 1: me see if I can find these.
Speaker 4: Was there ever anything that implied he's a knight se malta,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a it's a it's a reach. I
Speaker 4: don't think there were was, but I didn't know if
Speaker 4: maybe there was something you knew because I know the
Speaker 4: circles he swam in. I was like, I wouldn't be
Speaker 4: surprised if there were some Malta connections because he was
Speaker 4: kind of swimming that weird dark inverse of of Catholicism,
Speaker 4: of I don't know what exactly was doing, but he
Speaker 4: was doing some weird dark stuff and it seemed to
Speaker 4: involve his faith. You know, this kind of where people
Speaker 4: get the concept of things like black masses and stuff.
Speaker 4: You're like, that makes you think.
Speaker 1: Of Satanic ristuals. There. So he's and outwardly a Christian,
Speaker 1: but he's doing hypnotic things involving Garrison called very one
Speaker 1: of the most important people who ever lived because of
Speaker 1: his involvement in the assassination. And he's featured by Joe
Speaker 1: petchi Peci in the film JFK. If you remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't sat on, but.
Speaker 1: It's worth your time. I mean, it's a good overview
Speaker 1: of the of the thing. If you pulled this up,
Speaker 1: if you pull up this video, I'll show I'll go
Speaker 1: over this video with you. Just so the illumina numbers
Speaker 1: or the occult numerology or the esoteric numerology that's in
Speaker 1: this book. That's also in nine to eleven, which is
Speaker 1: tomorrow right at eleven.
Speaker 4: What is the significance of eleven?
Speaker 2: What it was?
Speaker 4: The symbolism of that? Do you know?
Speaker 1: The numerology the importance of eleven. It's a prime number
Speaker 1: in magic for a variety of reasons. It just pops
Speaker 1: up all the time, and it's actually integrated into our
Speaker 1: common culture, very common common culture actually actually, but it
Speaker 1: goes all the way back to the Golden Dawn and
Speaker 1: the idea of numbers having power, and eleven was kind
Speaker 1: of seen as a pernicious number, and it's in this
Speaker 1: kind of this group called the Golden Dawn. They had
Speaker 1: this main guy who wrote a book about it. But
Speaker 1: then Crowley adopted it and it's in his book of
Speaker 1: the Law, and it kind of became his prime number,
Speaker 1: the number of magic, but also the number of the
Speaker 1: new world order. And so it's really in the occult
Speaker 1: or the secret societies. It's kind of stayed along as
Speaker 1: the eleven. The reason that it's important and magic is
Speaker 1: that it's the coming together of the pentagram and hexagram,
Speaker 1: or the macrocosm and microcosm, the six and the five
Speaker 1: come together. So when you see people's names like A
Speaker 1: six and a five. They're kind of like Tyler Dirdan
Speaker 1: or Harry Potter. These are all intentional. They're eleven letter words.
Speaker 1: They're telling you they're magic. And I think that what
Speaker 1: Condon is portraying in the book to the thing to
Speaker 1: people who are in the know, who know the secret
Speaker 1: society stuff, that this kind of hypnotic post hypnotic suggestion
Speaker 1: and these type of things are a magical act. They're
Speaker 1: basically doing some kind of magical thing. But in the book,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is total spoiler alert in the book.
Speaker 1: In the movie, the whole arc of the movie is
Speaker 1: that Raymond Shaw is the son of a senator and
Speaker 1: his mother is the wife of the senator. Her name
Speaker 1: is Eleanor Isslan and she's played by Angela Lansbury, and
Speaker 1: they're based on like Roy Kohne, who was Trump's kind
Speaker 1: of area. Literally, Condon writes it in the intro.
Speaker 4: To the book, make nothing of this people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's incredible. And she's like seen in some
Speaker 1: like writings as one of the top twenty five villains
Speaker 1: in Hollywood history. And the man Cheerion Candidate movie, the
Speaker 1: original one in sixty two was also in AFI's Top
Speaker 1: one hundred American movies of all Time. In the nineties,
Speaker 1: it dropped out, but at one point it was considered
Speaker 1: one of the best movies ever made, which I think
Speaker 1: is true. I think it is accurate.
Speaker 4: Which is crazy because it did not. It's well known
Speaker 4: for not doing well because but it's kind of not
Speaker 4: necessarily its own fault. It's the fault of the JFK
Speaker 4: assassination and kind of the dark shadow that was cast
Speaker 4: upon it, and because of it's pretty over the top
Speaker 4: and what it is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, go on, Sinatra pulled it because of the
Speaker 1: JFK assassination and his close personal friendship with JFK. But anyway,
Speaker 1: the true there's in the Korean War, which took place
Speaker 1: from fifty to fifty three, there's a troop that goes
Speaker 1: into Manchuria, which is the Chinese kind of state or
Speaker 1: area above Korea. They're taken there and they're hypnotized and
Speaker 1: there's eleven men, so like they're portraying to you eleven.
Speaker 1: But then Raymond Shaw is handled and brought back to
Speaker 1: the US and put into place at Madison Square Garden,
Speaker 1: and he kills other people before he gets into place,
Speaker 1: but he's basically going to kill somebody for political purposes
Speaker 1: at the nominating convention, so he's actually going to like
Speaker 1: facilitate the entrance into power of his stepfather. And there's
Speaker 1: really dark stuff in this. There's like the mother is
Speaker 1: having incest with her dad, and the suggestion is that
Speaker 1: Raymond Shaw is the product of incest, and she has
Speaker 1: set in the book she has sex with her son,
Speaker 1: but they don't show it in the movie, so it's
Speaker 1: not as obvious the minds of eleven Americans when they're
Speaker 1: they're reporting at eleven an o'clock all this time, going
Speaker 1: to bed at eleven, Raymond Shaw is nine. There's a
Speaker 1: nine to eleven in this nine hundred and eleven names
Speaker 1: restricten from the Lissa, Like this guy knows the power numbers,
Speaker 1: he knows the occult numbers. And also when they're inducing
Speaker 1: these people into hypnotic states, he has all this stuff
Speaker 1: for eleven hours and stuff like that, so he understands.
Speaker 1: He's implying to you that these are magical events.
Speaker 4: This is This might be a stupid observation, but it's
Speaker 4: made me realize, especially too with some of like the
Speaker 4: weird code stuff that's come out with like Epstein' stuff
Speaker 4: is just how uh how convenient AI must be for
Speaker 4: code these days, especially with numerology. Can you imagine trying
Speaker 4: to insert code into all your stuff? And he just said,
Speaker 4: I don't know, throw some numbers in here occasionally a
Speaker 4: I'd help a lot. I know it's a stupid commentary,
Speaker 4: but also the same time there is to stomachs, and
Speaker 4: I think AI actually probably is helping out the elite
Speaker 4: to whatever whatever they have next, but probably not. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so they already have the.
Speaker 1: You know, the AI is data runching numbers like you
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe. So like the pre crime stuff of Philip K.
Speaker 1: Dick is now real because they can tell what you're
Speaker 1: talking about with your friends or your wife or what
Speaker 1: you're researching.
Speaker 4: You know, Well that's what they were talking about with this.
Speaker 4: That was one of the angles a lot of people
Speaker 4: have gone with the Palenteers or with not with Palnenter,
Speaker 4: but with the recent Minnesota shooting that there there's like
Speaker 4: this new Palenteer, uh you know, essentially pushing this new
Speaker 4: product in the aftermath essentially of a prediction some sort
Speaker 4: of algorithm type thing. So we are in that creepy
Speaker 4: Minority report that for me, at least when I was
Speaker 4: in high school, I remember watching these movies like, Oh,
Speaker 4: that's wild, that'll be like one hundred years from now. Well,
Speaker 4: we're kind of basically there.
Speaker 1: So we're past that. I think Palenter is working with
Speaker 1: like their department, they have contracts with a lot of
Speaker 1: NSA and DARPA, I think, and so you don't really
Speaker 1: know what they're doing behind that behind the scenes. I
Speaker 1: know DARPA was heavily involved in the COVID roll out
Speaker 1: and a lot of different things like Facebook, so that
Speaker 1: the sophisticated did like Facebook, I wouldn't even go on there.
Speaker 1: You're crazy if you have for me, Like Facebook is
Speaker 1: such a clown show. I can't even believe anybody's on there,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, if you know Zuckerberg and Lifelog and
Speaker 1: all that other stuff. Anyway, the at this key point,
Speaker 1: they keep having this dream and this is kind of
Speaker 1: an important thing you see with people who've been tampered
Speaker 1: with mentally, is their dream states and their reality states
Speaker 1: are intertwined in a way that aren't normal like normal
Speaker 1: people do, like they don't have those barriers between waking states.
Speaker 1: So the Marco Sinatra plays Marco and at three eleven
Speaker 1: he has this recurring dream of himself with these like
Speaker 1: old ladies. But what it is is the dream of
Speaker 1: how these guys are being hupnotized or brainwashed and he
Speaker 1: hasn't and he shares starts to beginning to share it
Speaker 1: with his friends. But it's interesting here. And then here's
Speaker 1: the seventy seven. So one of the main characters is
Speaker 1: one seventy seven Medal.
Speaker 4: Of I know there's lots of divisible for.
Speaker 5: The Congressional Medal of Honor in the Korean War with
Speaker 5: five million, seven hundred and twenty thousand personnel engaged, only
Speaker 5: seventy seven men.
Speaker 1: We're so honored when.
Speaker 3: I get married to my old lady.
Speaker 1: This is a key sequence. It's really interesting because this
Speaker 1: is the main character who's been tampered with. Who's the assassin.
Speaker 1: It's Raymond Shaw, his real name, his actor's name is
Speaker 1: Lawrence Harvey. And he goes into a bar and plays
Speaker 1: solitaire solitaires. Kind of the key component where he gets
Speaker 1: his trigger, which is the Queen of Diamonds. So you
Speaker 1: see the Queen of diamond motif all throughout the film
Speaker 1: and the publications and the covers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But if you listen in the background, the bartender is
Speaker 1: suggesting stuff, but he says eleven long years, and then
Speaker 1: the trigger happens, and then Lawrence Harvey goes and jumps
Speaker 1: in the lake. But listen, listen to the background conversation.
Speaker 4: Got no idea that this guy comes in the same package.
Speaker 5: That is a package deal.
Speaker 4: And for eleven long years, I got this grumk tied
Speaker 4: around my neck.
Speaker 5: And believe me, it's no bargain. You've got no odea.
Speaker 4: My god, what this guy. I'm sorry, I'm late.
Speaker 5: Kids just got held up in traffic again. So I says,
Speaker 5: don't please do me a favor, will you? Why don't
Speaker 5: you go and take yourself a cab and go up
Speaker 5: to Central Park and go jump in the lake.
Speaker 1: So he pulls that Queen of Diamonds. The bartender's talking
Speaker 1: in the background, says, go get a cab and jump
Speaker 1: in the plate in Central Park. And so some of
Speaker 1: these early documents, even Austin has mentioned this in other show,
Speaker 1: some of these early Artichoke documents and things like that.
Speaker 1: The information that's in there is in this kind of
Speaker 1: stuff where you can trigger somebody through the phone, which
Speaker 1: is in this movie. And also you can kind of
Speaker 1: do highly suit just of states through symbols. So then
Speaker 1: he goes off.
Speaker 5: Raymond, I don't know why. Yours and the only apartment
Speaker 5: in New York City without an air conditioner. You know,
Speaker 5: sometimes I think you came to ask for another century.
Speaker 5: ChIL Chin Chow or whatever your name is. The steaks
Speaker 5: ought to be broiled for exactly eleven minutes, no more,
Speaker 5: no less, on each side in a preheated grill at
Speaker 5: four hundred degrees.
Speaker 1: So she wants her steaks done at eleven, so that
Speaker 1: he's he's playing around. These are all in the book too.
Speaker 1: It's actually really something else, but the fact that these
Speaker 1: numbers are there anyway, it kind of keys into yeah,
Speaker 1: these are we can go through the same.
Speaker 4: In obvious parallels. Sir Hans Sir Han with the with
Speaker 4: what the the the polka dot dress. I believe there
Speaker 4: was man, Yeah, there was.
Speaker 1: Mostly she walked him in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like in my brush. Some sort of weird touch
Speaker 4: I think of, some sort is what I recall.
Speaker 1: She touched his elbows.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's right, able, Yeah, pinch elbow sounds right because
Speaker 4: I remember it's some sort of weird because yeah, it's
Speaker 4: these weird different things, like for that one, it's eleven
Speaker 4: a queen of diamonds. You know, I'm sure maybe there's
Speaker 4: some other tell in there, maybe we miss, but a
Speaker 4: combination of unique things, uh, for example, a pinch on
Speaker 4: the elbow, a polka dot, a lady in a polka
Speaker 4: dot dress. These are very unique things. And uh, you know,
Speaker 4: I guess if they are able to program to your
Speaker 4: subconscious enough, they can do something with it.
Speaker 1: What you do, Like, I've done a lot of reading
Speaker 1: and a lot of these mind control documents, And there's
Speaker 1: actually a scale it's called the Stanford Hypnotism Scale scale
Speaker 1: where they test people for pre It's kind of a
Speaker 1: pre existing condition based on a lot of personality traits.
Speaker 1: And some people are highly suggestible and hypnotizable, and some
Speaker 1: people you cannot. You can just talk to them and
Speaker 1: they'll just be like, what are you trying to do?
Speaker 1: You're gonna go into a deeper state and they'll just
Speaker 1: be like, shut up. They don't. They don't fall for it.
Speaker 1: They don't. They're not induced into this deeper state of consciousness.
Speaker 1: Sling was at least they found the right subject. He
Speaker 1: was definitely a highly hypnotizable subject and he would do
Speaker 1: all kinds of weird stuff. They were he was in
Speaker 1: conversation with some guy named radio Man, and he was
Speaker 1: he was an amateur radio guy. He was also an occultist.
Speaker 1: Like he's literally hanging out with famous occultist Manly p
Speaker 1: All and he's and like there's rumors that he is.
Speaker 1: According to one researcher, he's at party at the clo House. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before the Manson killings.
Speaker 4: Well, Sir On wasn't it wasn't Austin. I think he
Speaker 4: showed you. Did he show you that photo you found
Speaker 4: of supposedly Sir Han with one of the people in
Speaker 4: the cupboard or something. I think that you know that
Speaker 4: from before, and it looks just like them, I swear,
Speaker 4: if not, next time you talk to him. He has
Speaker 4: it somewhere. He found a photo I think it might
Speaker 4: have been like time or something of them together and
Speaker 4: it's pretty clearly him. Obviously, maybe it's some other guy
Speaker 4: looks just like him. But yeah, I mean, obviously there's
Speaker 4: a Rosa crusionist connections. But there yeah, these I mean.
Speaker 1: The ancient mysterious order of the Rosy Cross that he
Speaker 1: was taking, Like you know, male order classes from. These
Speaker 1: guys know a lot of these techniques too. And what
Speaker 1: you see about this film that's reflected in reality is
Speaker 1: this kind of concept of an operator or handler. So
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, like they're not looked into
Speaker 1: a lot of these assassin's modern ones, they don't look
Speaker 1: into who's walking around, Like Chapman we know is handled
Speaker 1: by like ten people. Oswald, sir Han, Sirhan has tons
Speaker 1: of doctors. He's in and out of the hospital. Like
Speaker 1: these are overt and obvious. But it's reflected in this
Speaker 1: thing because in the film and book man cheeron candidate
Speaker 1: because Raymond Shaw, he's taken through through to the Soviet
Speaker 1: or Iron Block or whatever, the Communist Block, then out
Speaker 1: to the US in place to the assassin. What does
Speaker 1: Oswald do. He's at Sugi Air Force Base, which we
Speaker 1: know we're doing heavy duty LSD experiments, Like they weren't
Speaker 1: just like dosing people with micrograms. They would give them
Speaker 1: freaking massive doss like thousand times over the thing and
Speaker 1: study them and do horrible stuff. And while Oswald was there,
Speaker 1: he was in the hospital for iven aerial disease. He
Speaker 1: had money that he shouldn't have had for his rank
Speaker 1: in the military. He was going in like whinding and
Speaker 1: dining at some of the nicer bars. For people who
Speaker 1: don't know. At Sugi is an Air Force base in
Speaker 1: the suburbs of Tokyo, so he's in downtown Tokyo, and
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys they shipped off a lot
Speaker 1: of these experiments to universities, state hospitals and also out
Speaker 1: of the country, so they didn't have any oversight. We
Speaker 1: know for a fact that at Sugi was dosing LSD
Speaker 1: because there's a paper and some of these recent releases
Speaker 1: were dulls. After Olsen was thrown out of a though
Speaker 1: the cover stories he committed suicide. But Frank Olson was
Speaker 1: kind of a whistleblower in fifty three. He's like, what
Speaker 1: are you guys doing? Is this moral blah blah blah, Well,
Speaker 1: we're kicking you out of the freaking you know window.
Speaker 1: After he died, there was a paper that was sent
Speaker 1: saying cease all LSD experimentation at Atsugi and it was
Speaker 1: signed by Alan Doles And that's one of the components
Speaker 1: of the JFK assassination that isn't integrated. A lot of
Speaker 1: these people didn't make that tie when they're when they're
Speaker 1: looking into JFK about the Nights of Malta because there's
Speaker 1: nights of Malta around and also the MK Ultra stuff.
Speaker 1: They don't see the pieces of it.
Speaker 4: Did you did you take down that? Do that down?
Speaker 4: Or did that just come down on its own? I
Speaker 4: didn't mean to, so I took it. Okay, okay, just
Speaker 4: make sure because the streamer has been doing weird things lately.
Speaker 4: But I did have to mention for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: I popped over to another thing and looked up something
Speaker 4: real quick, came back it was down. I just wanted
Speaker 4: to make sure that was something I did. I was
Speaker 4: actually looking up because I couldn't remember the name of
Speaker 4: the guy and I didn't want to want to butcher it.
Speaker 4: But Carrie Thornley isn't isn't Japan where he met where
Speaker 4: he met Jerry or carry Thornley. I don't know why.
Speaker 4: I always want to call it like a crowderry.
Speaker 1: And it's one of these weird things about Oswald. I
Speaker 1: am being monitored.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm honing in on the Japan thing because
Speaker 4: I didn't put those two things together. I've known about
Speaker 4: like kind of both those but I didn't put two
Speaker 4: and two together that I think he met him there
Speaker 4: and you got all these weird experiments going on the
Speaker 4: same time.
Speaker 1: But go on, sorry, Carrie Thornley would go on to
Speaker 1: say that he had an implant, was he was tampered with.
Speaker 1: He was also a discordiant, so you kind of have
Speaker 1: to take him with a grain of salt. But he
Speaker 1: says that he was monitored too, and people were like
Speaker 1: they knew him, like they knew Oswald, Like Oswald had
Speaker 1: weird things show up and it's like Carrie Thornley is
Speaker 1: one of them. So this kind of sophisticated guy is
Speaker 1: in this uh in the military with Oswald and writs
Speaker 1: like a book called the Idol Warriors that involves Oswald
Speaker 1: before the shooting, before nineteen sixty three, and while he's
Speaker 1: in Soviet Union, Oswald is going like they have documents
Speaker 1: now that came out just for some more they found
Speaker 1: them and the documents came out and they are that
Speaker 1: Oswald's meeting with CIA at Taches in Moscow, Like what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Something weird is going on with Oswald.
Speaker 1: He also was in a hospital at Minsk. They're also
Speaker 1: doing heavy duty experimentation. They're also involved. Like the rivalry
Speaker 1: is real, the Cold War's happening, but they're also both
Speaker 1: doing experimentation. So what's Oswald doing there for eighteen months?
Speaker 4: Yeah, isn't. Wasn't Thornley didn't have weird processing connections as well.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you've dug he he spooked out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert Anton Wilson is his buddy. Like all these
Speaker 1: He's in this Discordian religion, which is like the whole
Speaker 1: idea is to create chaos.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of when I dug into Discordianism. It
Speaker 4: reminds me of my little bit of dig into Temple
Speaker 4: of Set. It sounds very much like coded language, some
Speaker 4: sort of weird infrastructure at play. It sounds like probably
Speaker 4: not really what it's claiming to be. Yeah. Yeah, some
Speaker 4: sort of weird mailing list for some sort of weird
Speaker 4: spooked out something or other is what. It seems like.
Speaker 1: They're all cold adjacent.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Robert Anton Wilson had a lot of very strange rin
Speaker 1: He was like one of the main Discordians, but he
Speaker 1: wrote the Illuminatus trilogy and his friends were like incredible man,
Speaker 1: Like he's friends with Genesis b Oorge and knows everything
Speaker 1: about Crowley and really scary stuff like he was in
Speaker 1: Sianta Cruz during all these murders and just really crazy
Speaker 1: things like but he's friends with Carrie Thornley. After the
Speaker 1: death of JFK. Cary Thornton writes a book. But while
Speaker 1: Oswald is in Russia, there's a woman named mc millan
Speaker 1: and she ends up changing her name, but she as it.
Speaker 1: There's like a report she makes about meeting Oswald and
Speaker 1: and this is before the assassination as well, and she
Speaker 1: ends up writing a book called Marina and Lee. It's
Speaker 1: like freaking a huge research piece. It's like four or
Speaker 1: five hundred pages. What do they find out about her?
Speaker 1: She's a full CIA agent on the payroll, she's and
Speaker 1: so this book is out there like it's going around.
Speaker 1: It tells the story of Oswald being a communist and
Speaker 1: how he had secret anger and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1: But it turns out she's handling them and she meets
Speaker 1: them when they come back to the US too.
Speaker 4: Wait it's not Ruth Payne, is it right?
Speaker 1: Or you get there? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Because I was like, wait, I know, I'm hazy, Like
Speaker 4: I don't think that's Ruth's story.
Speaker 1: But like Oswald had like ten handlers he had or
Speaker 1: people who knew him before the thing. Carrie Thornley goes
Speaker 1: on to be famous McMillan's The CIA's Files by Demor
Speaker 1: and Child White Russian ends up in becoming friends with
Speaker 1: de Mouvier like JFK's wife while they're in New York,
Speaker 1: and then ends up in Dallas and then gets meet Oswald,
Speaker 1: and then he introduces Oswald to Paine, who gets Oswald
Speaker 1: a job at the book Depository. You can't write this stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really incredible. And Paine just recently died
Speaker 1: within the last week.
Speaker 4: And there's William. They did write that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's like a fiction. I mean, there's a very good
Speaker 1: book I would recommend. I mean a movie by Max
Speaker 1: Good called The Assassination in Miss Pain and it shows
Speaker 1: her background and what she did when she took Oswald
Speaker 1: to our to Irving, Texas outside of Dallas. That there's
Speaker 1: a house there that you can actually bring up right
Speaker 1: now that they've turned into a museum because of its
Speaker 1: import And it's totally fake, like the like, if you
Speaker 1: know the truth about the JFK assassination, you have to
Speaker 1: see the book depository. And Ruth Payne's house is just
Speaker 1: complete plastic Disneyland fabrications that that sustained the cover story
Speaker 1: that Oswald did it.
Speaker 4: So Ruth Paine's home. You said, people should look at
Speaker 4: what we're saying.
Speaker 1: Look at Ruth Paine's home, Irving, Texas. There's a website.
Speaker 4: Let me see see what I got to see what
Speaker 4: I mean. If there's something you want to hone in
Speaker 4: on it, let me know what.
Speaker 1: Just just what the point is is that they can
Speaker 1: make stuff up like this is like this is the
Speaker 1: whole story. This is where they supposedly found the rifle
Speaker 1: of Oswald. Even though Oswald wasn't living there. He was
Speaker 1: separated from his wife. Marina is close to her. Here's
Speaker 1: the interesting thing about Ruth Paine. She has a background.
Speaker 1: She is part of a very wealthy family. The Pains
Speaker 1: are Eastern elites. What she doing in Texas and in
Speaker 1: the movie of Max Good, which I recommend go watch
Speaker 1: at the Assassin of Pain Ruth Pain in the Assassination,
Speaker 1: they show her take this trajectory. They follow her back east.
Speaker 1: She ends up at some like island like where the
Speaker 1: Wrigleys own the Island, she drives south, she ends up
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. She literally picks up Oswald and drives
Speaker 1: them to Irving, Texas and gets them a job at
Speaker 1: the school but depository. So he's being watched over the
Speaker 1: whole time. David Ferry one of the core elements of
Speaker 1: the Garrison criminal trial against Clay Shaw Knights of Malta
Speaker 1: also Dulus Knights of Malta. One of the key elements
Speaker 1: was to establish this nexus between Shaw, Banister Faery and Oswald.
Speaker 1: He was trying to put him together. They said they
Speaker 1: didn't know each other and all this total total boloney,
Speaker 1: and fairy knew Marcelo, who RFK had sent out of
Speaker 1: the country, so Marcella was pissed. He's a really hardcore
Speaker 1: mob boss in a very shady town and I don't
Speaker 1: know if New Orleans, but you talk about corruption, de
Speaker 1: Hey has a grudge. He has a total grudge. On
Speaker 1: the day of the assassination, Fairies actually in court with
Speaker 1: Marcello for some reason. He's in and out of court
Speaker 1: because he had a problem. He had this this fetish
Speaker 1: for teenage boys and it got brought up in his
Speaker 1: career against Eastern Airlines. He was a major pilot, like
Speaker 1: he was literally a captain of like transporting hundreds of
Speaker 1: people on flights like like you would see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a commercial airline pilot.
Speaker 1: In addition to other stuff, Like the guy was a
Speaker 1: real adventurer because he was running guns. And Daniel Hopsaker
Speaker 1: wrote a book called Barry and the Boys about Barry Seal,
Speaker 1: and he says that both Ferry and Barry Seal were
Speaker 1: not CIA, you know, contractors, they were full agents. And
Speaker 1: I believe that I think Shaw was too, like he
Speaker 1: was either under the employed. Shaw's background is really incredible.
Speaker 1: He was and this is left out of a lot
Speaker 1: of researchers, but he worked as an aid camp for
Speaker 1: a heavy duty general named Thrasher who was overseeing Operation Overlord,
Speaker 1: which is the invasion of Europe in June forty four.
Speaker 1: And he had he was awarded he I mean, he
Speaker 1: was gay, but he had all these other awards like
Speaker 1: as a as a as like an effective you know,
Speaker 1: he was a major, Like he was an effective member
Speaker 1: of the military. I don't know what his deal was,
Speaker 1: but he rose up the ranks as a smart guy.
Speaker 1: He was a smart guy.
Speaker 4: This fairy or.
Speaker 1: That's that's who Garrison went after and Garrison then Shaw
Speaker 1: counter sued him for defamation and there was like all
Speaker 1: these cases, they really harassed the crap out of Garrison,
Speaker 1: And I think Clay Shaw died in seventy five and
Speaker 1: Fairy mysteriously died once the once Garrison took up the
Speaker 1: criminal case against Shaw, and there's pictures of Shaw being
Speaker 1: cuffed and stuff like that, and then Fairy all you know,
Speaker 1: mysteriously died but he didn't get popped. But anyway, the
Speaker 1: rumor is, and that's never been proved, we know that
Speaker 1: Fairy went to some place in Houston on the day
Speaker 1: of the assassination, and the rumor is that the assassination
Speaker 1: squads were driven south, put in planes and flown to Mexico. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and X, you know, X filtrated out of the country
Speaker 1: with the help of Faery.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's usually presumed either Ferry or Berry I
Speaker 4: think had some sort of help and you know, getting
Speaker 4: them to and from or something like that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: I believe.
Speaker 1: But it's weird too, because like these guys have this
Speaker 1: really shady background, but they're both commercial air pilots and
Speaker 1: they're both coming out of cap right, which is kind
Speaker 1: of a pseudo Gladio to like stay behind network thing.
Speaker 1: Then there's a famous picture of Faerry with Oswald at
Speaker 1: cap in like nineteen fifty five, so Fairry knows Oswald
Speaker 1: very well for eight years. Like it's really incredible, incredible stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is weird looking back at the at the
Speaker 4: Civilian Air Patrol and like looking at it's weird it
Speaker 4: still exists. I really don't even understand it's I didn't
Speaker 4: even know it was a thing. I remember they showed
Speaker 4: up when I was in the military Air Force. They
Speaker 4: showed up to a few like the air shows that
Speaker 4: they would force us to help us, and it was
Speaker 4: just I didn't even know the thing. But apparently it's
Speaker 4: some sort of civilian Air Force of some so, but
Speaker 4: I think it was kind of born out of that
Speaker 4: World War two post World War two mania. So it's
Speaker 4: like it does close like Gladio.
Speaker 1: It has that Gladio esque it's not a formal thing,
Speaker 1: but it has that. There's a lot of generals behind it,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like an elevated boy scouts, like they
Speaker 1: were finding young people to learn how to fly. That
Speaker 1: was it, you know, to bring them up. And Seal
Speaker 1: was one of them. Seal was a great pilot, there's
Speaker 1: absolutely no question about it. And it's a side story
Speaker 1: of this. He was part of the cap I think
Speaker 1: in Baton Rouge where these guys were New Orleans, so
Speaker 1: it's like one city over but still Louisiana. It's very
Speaker 1: odular Seal. So these guys have this crazy background Shaw Fairy,
Speaker 1: cel de Moor and Schildt, McMillan, Thornley and then one
Speaker 1: of the other crazy things that you've got a lot
Speaker 1: of people oversea. I think it's shaped this way. Is
Speaker 1: not to bring it up, but like Doulas was big
Speaker 1: time in the world. So he was you talked about
Speaker 1: the Reichstag fire. Yeah, well Dulas was in Switzerland as
Speaker 1: the kind of oss at tache. He was a spy
Speaker 1: and he was also a white shoe lawyer. Like he's
Speaker 1: a very interesting guy. I don't think he's a good
Speaker 1: person at all. His nickname was his shark, like that's
Speaker 1: with how they saw him, like an emotionalless killer type.
Speaker 1: But he was in Switzerland and he was running these agents,
Speaker 1: so he had connections and all this stuff, and he
Speaker 1: was actually involved in paper clipping and post war stuff.
Speaker 1: And this guy that they had who was going to
Speaker 1: They were trying to get rid of Hitler and it's
Speaker 1: called we know it his Operation Valkyrie, but it was
Speaker 1: the June nineteen forty four plot where they tried to
Speaker 1: blow him up, blow up Hitler but he survived. That
Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff he was behind that. Dulas
Speaker 1: was involved in that with this guy, he's kind of
Speaker 1: lost to history. His name is Javisius, I think it
Speaker 1: was his name. And he actually fingered a lot of
Speaker 1: people for Nurremberg trial and getting hung.
Speaker 4: He was a real he.
Speaker 1: Would sell out his own people for whatever. Like he
Speaker 1: just seems an interesting guy anyway.
Speaker 4: This Dolls is super notable for screwing people out of
Speaker 4: the rat lines too. So I know the you know,
Speaker 4: Galadio connections. People like to make the through line from
Speaker 4: the Nazis to there. It's kind of everything kind of
Speaker 4: kind of plays out there. I mean, hell, even the
Speaker 4: mind control Mancharian candidate aspect of this. We can even
Speaker 4: pull the timeline back further to you know, essentially a
Speaker 4: Nazis prior to World War two.
Speaker 1: Very good. Absolutely, they were involved in a lot of
Speaker 1: Mescalin operations LSD, A lot they were involved in these
Speaker 1: secret documents. But after the war, one of the strange
Speaker 1: things is that Hess, if you remember, tried to take
Speaker 1: this flight in nineteen forty one, a strange flight number
Speaker 1: three Nazi, like the third most powerful person in Germany,
Speaker 1: gets on a Messerschmid and flies to northern Scotland to
Speaker 1: try to negotiate a treaty with the Brits to keep
Speaker 1: them out of the war. And it's it's a ruse.
Speaker 1: It's actually set up in part I think by Ian
Speaker 1: Fleming believed it or not, wh who spoke with fluent
Speaker 1: German and like new astrology, and so he like set
Speaker 1: up the fake astrology to make Cass believe these astrological
Speaker 1: signs were right, and got him on a plane to
Speaker 1: go there. And then Crowley, Alister Crowley sends a letter
Speaker 1: to uh Ian Fleming's boss and says, hey, if you
Speaker 1: want me to interrogate this guy, let me know I
Speaker 1: know everything about the occult talk to GFC Fuller and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. It's actually in the records. It's actually
Speaker 1: an interesting footnote to history. It never happened, according to
Speaker 1: as far as I know. But one of the other things,
Speaker 1: not only Crowley wanted to do the interrogation. Who does
Speaker 1: DoLS get to bring and do the interrogation of Hesse
Speaker 1: and try to figure out if he's saying or not
Speaker 1: off for he's lying none other than you and Cameron
Speaker 1: than notorious like death Doctor from McGill. So like this
Speaker 1: guy was brought in like by Dolas. Doles friends with
Speaker 1: you and Cameron, and at that time he had this
Speaker 1: lover Dolas did who was friends with with Ruth Payne.
Speaker 1: Her name is Bancroft and they were friends in the thirties.
Speaker 1: So there's a direct tie between DoLS and Ruth Pain
Speaker 1: and through it's through this woman Bankroft, who then went
Speaker 1: on to be friends with Luce. And it's an incredible
Speaker 1: tie because nobody brings up this Bankraft woman whose autobiography
Speaker 1: is signed and she talks about Dolls and his personality
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and herd autobiography is called the
Speaker 1: Autobiography of a Spy and she's best friends of the
Speaker 1: Ruth Payne and so like this is like so you
Speaker 1: can see this whole how ornate and how sophisticated. The
Speaker 1: the conspiracy against against JFK was like these were big
Speaker 1: type players who were really wanted to see him dead,
Speaker 1: and then you see some of the sophistication reflected in
Speaker 1: these more recent assassinations, like you don't know about some
Speaker 1: of these people, you don't know who the real shooter is.
Speaker 1: I don't even think Oswald was the real shooter.
Speaker 4: He was supposed to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was supposed to get killed on the day
Speaker 1: of the Friday of the twenty second. I think he
Speaker 1: was supposed to get killed leaving the book depositor and
Speaker 1: going back to his place, and then they were gonna
Speaker 1: supposedly a hero and I think it was bungled. And
Speaker 1: then they bungled trying to kill him at the Texas
Speaker 1: Film Theater where he went to next and the shot
Speaker 1: went off and it didn't kill him, and so then
Speaker 1: they got really nervous, and like I think Ruby was
Speaker 1: a sign like, hey, bro, you gotta do this. You
Speaker 1: got to take one for the team.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, well, I think we'll probably bring this
Speaker 4: in for a landing. But I do have one last question,
Speaker 4: and I guess if there's anything else you want to
Speaker 4: go into. I'm kind of curious what your thoughts are,
Speaker 4: because you know, when we started and the question I
Speaker 4: kind of asked to try. I guess the solid timeline
Speaker 4: because just it still racks my head just kind of
Speaker 4: trying to conceptualize what the fuck even happened here? Really,
Speaker 4: because we have we have you know, like like I
Speaker 4: went over the timeline, you have the the fifty nine book,
Speaker 4: and then like sixty is she died? And but we
Speaker 4: have you know, we have JFK really pushing this too,
Speaker 4: so you're like, what what happened here? Is this? Like
Speaker 4: obviously we don't know, but I just kind of like,
Speaker 4: what are your what are you? What do you make
Speaker 4: of all? Because it's like, does this guy like trying
Speaker 4: to use the film to tell the world about what's
Speaker 4: going on? And then there was some double take of
Speaker 4: the powers that be go, well, haha, screw you, now
Speaker 4: we're gonna use this to write the tale of your death. Like,
Speaker 4: I know, just very bizarre. Just what is going on here?
Speaker 1: I think you're onto it. I think that he was
Speaker 1: supporting films in the culture that reflected information he was
Speaker 1: aware of and that he wanted publicized. So not only
Speaker 1: one of the interesting things about John Frankenheimer, so it
Speaker 1: was JFK. Sinatra, Sinatra, Frankenheimer gets these great actors. Frankenheimer
Speaker 1: after he's done with mancheering Candidate, he then goes on
Speaker 1: to another film that was supported Ferreckenheimer's The Left Winger.
Speaker 1: He's a friend that he's a Democrat, like a die
Speaker 1: hard Democrat. He goes onto another film called Seven Days
Speaker 1: in May, which is about the overthrow of the United
Speaker 1: States government by military coup. And so I think and
Speaker 1: actually JFK wanted that film done, and then he actually
Speaker 1: took a weekend off away I think, from the White
Speaker 1: House so that Frankenheimer could bring in Kirk Douglas in
Speaker 1: film at the White House. So I think then that
Speaker 1: film ended up being released in January of nineteen sixty
Speaker 1: four with Doctor Strangelove. So I think all those things
Speaker 1: were percolating in the Cold War, nuclear fear, mind control.
Speaker 1: It's very heady environment. But I think that JFK, much
Speaker 1: like these other politicians that we don't see, we generally
Speaker 1: don't say. I don't think most people know JFK's involvement
Speaker 1: in films getting made, much like other presidents or other
Speaker 1: assets or CAA. It's coming more and more to the forefront.
Speaker 1: But I think he's trying to juice the culture with
Speaker 1: information and concepts that he saw and his thinks like
Speaker 1: I don't know if he sat down and looked at
Speaker 1: all the mind control stuff that they were up to,
Speaker 1: but he had to have access to it as a
Speaker 1: president or being aware of it. He knew about Operation Northwood,
Speaker 1: so he knew about false flags. He knew about the
Speaker 1: dangers of the CIA. He said things that got him
Speaker 1: in real trouble, like I want to destroy the CAA,
Speaker 1: Like these guys are cold warriors. Man. That you're saying
Speaker 1: like things that are very insentiy andcendiary. And RFK did
Speaker 1: the same thing. He said, I'm a revolutionary and like
Speaker 1: we can't have a revolutionary in the government, like come on, man.
Speaker 1: One of the interesting things, Frankenheimer is a key player
Speaker 1: in this whole whole story about the man cheering candidate
Speaker 1: as director, because he drove RFK to the Ambassador on
Speaker 1: the night of the death in sixty eight and while
Speaker 1: he was there. This is according to Ed Sanders, who
Speaker 1: wrote a lot about Manson family. He wrote a book
Speaker 1: called The Family. But Ed Sanders tells the tale that
Speaker 1: while Frankenheimer is at the Ambassador, which is torn down
Speaker 1: of course, that you always tore tear down like the
Speaker 1: crime scenes. While he's at the Ambassador Sir Sirhan walks
Speaker 1: by him and brushes into him and Frankenheimer. After the event,
Speaker 1: he's like, did what I do fictionally really turn into fact?
Speaker 1: And I think the answer is yes.
Speaker 4: Well, this is a this is a weird world we're in.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you joining me today, William. If let people
Speaker 4: know where they can find you, any final closing thoughts,
Speaker 4: if you have anything else to drop otherwise, let people
Speaker 4: know where they can find you. I appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 4: I mean we could probably pick away at all sorts
Speaker 4: of different you know, ways to comment on this topic.
Speaker 4: But I don't know. I'm still reeling from today's news
Speaker 4: and it is like, I don't know, I don't want
Speaker 4: to overattack it, but yeah, this is a this is
Speaker 4: an interesting composite. Actually, one thing I did want to
Speaker 4: hone in real quick's not even a question, but from
Speaker 4: the perspective of him telling kind of revealing the truth,
Speaker 4: keep in mind kind of you know, as you describe
Speaker 4: the plot here, somewhat it's like this guy is what
Speaker 4: the son of a of a senator or a senator's
Speaker 4: wife a senator and like there's kind of this weird
Speaker 4: sexual backdrop of you know, clearly brainwashing. And so it's
Speaker 4: almost like, if you if you've been following this show
Speaker 4: for a while, and probably your show as well, the
Speaker 4: sort of thesis is that we've developed over what the
Speaker 4: hell is going on in the up in the upper
Speaker 4: echelons of the elite. I think that's kind of we're
Speaker 4: kind of seeing that perhaps with what JFK was telling
Speaker 4: us there possibly so, I mean, so if you look
Speaker 4: at it from his perspective, I think he may have
Speaker 4: been to some extent telling us of a lived experience.
Speaker 4: So and I think his family is I think kind
Speaker 4: of somewhat newer money somewhat if I recall correctly, So
Speaker 4: perhaps maybe it was a they were new in the
Speaker 4: whatever that hell that network is? That network? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: so but anyways, I just I just thought it was
Speaker 4: interesting that it's like, I guess that would make sense
Speaker 4: from the perspective of a of a JFK or something.
Speaker 4: But I mean, with that, let people know where they
Speaker 4: can find you at. I'm sure we'll have you on
Speaker 4: again at some point sometime soon. But yeah, appreciate your time.
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