Speaker 1: Let's talk seven to nine day. Now here's Nick Coffee.
Speaker 2: Our second semi final game in the College Football Playoff,
Speaker 2: of course, the first year in the twelve team expansion
Speaker 2: is tonight Texas six point dogs against Ohio State, and
Speaker 2: I would imagine Ohio State will cover. I would maybe
Speaker 2: it's just getting caught up in how impressive they've looked
Speaker 2: in this event, the College Football Playoff, But I think
Speaker 2: it's more than more of the fact that Texas just
Speaker 2: really they were impressive against Clemson, no doubt, but their
Speaker 2: game against Georgia, I mean, they lost in Georgia was
Speaker 2: the same team that couldn't get past Notre Dame, and
Speaker 2: clearly Notre Dame is a good team. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm wrong and it ends up being close, and
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong in Texas wins, but I just feel
Speaker 2: like this Texas team, they are so fortunate to be
Speaker 2: there given the way things played out, and they do
Speaker 2: deserve credit, right. I mean, they were very lucky to
Speaker 2: get a gift meeting the no call on the targeting,
Speaker 2: but they also from then made big plays that completely
Speaker 2: flipped that. I mean, it went from fourth and long,
Speaker 2: they got to score a touchdown or it's over, and
Speaker 2: you know, the percentage chances of Arizona State winning before
Speaker 2: they snapped that ball and scored their first touchdown in
Speaker 2: overtime had to be like in the nineties high nineties,
Speaker 2: because it's fourth and long and they have to score.
Speaker 2: So the fact that they did that and then came
Speaker 2: out and scored on the very next play in the
Speaker 2: first possession of the second overtime and then got off
Speaker 2: and then made a stop on defense, I mean, they
Speaker 2: were that was impressive. It doesn't change the fact that
Speaker 2: they were lucky. But still despite that, they they did
Speaker 2: what was needed to do from then on to go
Speaker 2: and win the game. So maybe I'm not giving them
Speaker 2: enough credit, but I just think this Ohio State team
Speaker 2: is kind of rounded into form and they've kind of
Speaker 2: already went through the worst they could go. Like, if
Speaker 2: they lose tonight, their fans are gonna be upset they
Speaker 2: lose tonight, and it's I'm sure you'll hear more people
Speaker 2: coming after Ryan Day. But the energy and I mean,
Speaker 2: like the toxicity is probably the better word to use
Speaker 2: than energy that was there after they ended up losing
Speaker 2: the Michigan in the one year where you can't lose
Speaker 2: to Michigan, and you did. I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: they they went through the worst they're going to go through,
Speaker 2: and they're playing loose, They're they're they're confident, and clearly
Speaker 2: they're very, very talented. So I think we're gonna get
Speaker 2: an Ohio State and Notre Dame championship game, and I
Speaker 2: would I would, I have to take Ohio State. Now,
Speaker 2: with that said, Notre Dame, how about how about a
Speaker 2: season they've had I think Notre Dame and and just
Speaker 2: kind of seeing this new Maybe I'm getting a little
Speaker 2: ahead of myself here. Maybe it's recency biased, but I
Speaker 2: just feel like the way they've they've carried themselves, the brand,
Speaker 2: the old the DNA that they have under Marcus Freeman,
Speaker 2: it's it's clearly different than what it was with Brian
Speaker 2: Kelly and Marcus Freeman probably when it comes down to
Speaker 2: just the chops that you have to have to be
Speaker 2: a really good football coach at a really high level.
Speaker 2: When Marcus Freeman was named the head coach at Notre
Speaker 2: Dame and took over for Brian Kelly, he probably wasn't
Speaker 2: good enough at that point, but they clearly liked everything
Speaker 2: about him, and I feel like when he got hired,
Speaker 2: I was surprised they didn't go after a bigger name,
Speaker 2: But I remember kind of understanding, Okay, this guy. He's
Speaker 2: really likable. He's got a lot of charisma. You can
Speaker 2: just tell that he's relatable to his players and that
Speaker 2: players would want to play for him, and that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff really matters, right. That's you know, it's being
Speaker 2: a leader, and we're not in the locker room, so
Speaker 2: we don't see it every day. But I feel like
Speaker 2: he had all of the things you need to be
Speaker 2: able to be a successful coach at a high level
Speaker 2: other than you know, x's and o's. And not to
Speaker 2: say he didn't have it, but he just hadn't. He'd
Speaker 2: never been head coach before, you didn't know. And I
Speaker 2: think he's come. I think he the job was so big,
Speaker 2: and he has such a good head about him, and
Speaker 2: it's oh poise that I think he was not afraid
Speaker 2: at all to really really really lean on his coordinators.
Speaker 2: I mean, Al Golden, former Miami coach. I mean, that
Speaker 2: guy's got a phenomenal defense this year. I mean they've
Speaker 2: been they've been great, and you know, Marcus Freeman, I'm
Speaker 2: sure he's responsible for that as well, like he's a
Speaker 2: part of it as well. But I just think this
Speaker 2: was a guy that kind of like we're seeing with well,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna make the comparison, but when it comes
Speaker 2: to to Freeman, he knew, Hey, I just got hired
Speaker 2: for the first time ever to be a head coach
Speaker 2: and it's a freaking Notre Dame and I've taken over
Speaker 2: for a guy who was the most I mean he
Speaker 2: was Brian Kelly. Despite the losses in the postseason and
Speaker 2: getting blown out in some of those games, he was
Speaker 2: still a very successful coach at Notre Dame. In the
Speaker 2: grand scheme of things. You gotta keep in mind, Notre
Speaker 2: Dame was really really down before he got there, and
Speaker 2: they made some really good runs and had good years.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was a good coach that they did
Speaker 2: not want to lose. And he goes to LSU and
Speaker 2: the vibe was sort of that he felt like he'd
Speaker 2: done all he can do at Notre Dame and he
Speaker 2: wants to go win a national championship. And now Marcus Freeman,
Speaker 2: in his third season, has put this Notre Dame team
Speaker 2: right there with a chance to win the national championship
Speaker 2: and they're good. Clearly they've got talent, but I kind
Speaker 2: of feel like, to me, they are they're the team
Speaker 2: of this postseason or this twelve team playoff meeting. And
Speaker 2: I guess you could say the same about Arizona State,
Speaker 2: who of course, you know, didn't didn't make as deep
Speaker 2: of a run. But this is a group and it
Speaker 2: sounds weird because it's Notre Dame. They usually have their
Speaker 2: their fair share of elite players and they do and
Speaker 2: always will. But I just kind of feel like they
Speaker 2: are kind of embracing the fact that there are people
Speaker 2: that don't think that they belong because they're not in
Speaker 2: a conference and they lost to NIU. There is a
Speaker 2: when these guys who are playing for Notre Dame right
Speaker 2: now and they committed, there was already the stigma about
Speaker 2: Notre Dame that they you know, they're they're able to
Speaker 2: just get in because they get preferential treatment. They're not
Speaker 2: as good. So there's kind of a chip, if you will,
Speaker 2: on the shoulder of this Notre Dame team. And I
Speaker 2: think they're led by a guy Marcus Freeman, who I mean,
Speaker 2: he he looks like a rising star and and he
Speaker 2: had some losses to some teams that Notre Dame should
Speaker 2: never lose to, including one this year against NIU. So
Speaker 2: in his first few years, you know, he was he
Speaker 2: was taking losses in big games, and you know that
Speaker 2: that concerns you. But he was also losing to teams
Speaker 2: that you shouldn't lose to, which concernship. But this year
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to be the break, the
Speaker 2: make or break year for him. In year three, I thought,
Speaker 2: with Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame was either going to feel
Speaker 2: like they've got their guy and the future's really bright,
Speaker 2: or they're gonna know, hey, this guy is fine, but
Speaker 2: Notre Dame to be Notre Dame needs somebody different. And clearly,
Speaker 2: as we stand here today, uh it's it's the fact
Speaker 2: that they think they've got a guy who has a really,
Speaker 2: really bright future. So I was pulling for him last night.
Speaker 2: I hated that the under didn't hit and uh, it
Speaker 2: looked good and then all of a sudden game yeah
Speaker 2: and then it and then it didn't And you know,
Speaker 2: I hated that, But still I'm happy Notre Dame one.
Speaker 2: And if we get we get Notre Dame in Ohio state.
Speaker 2: What and let's say Ohio State rolls Texas tonight, which
Speaker 2: could happen. There's more there's much better chance of that
Speaker 2: happening than it the other way around. What is the
Speaker 2: conversation from the SEC Loudmouse. I mean, I'm sure, like
Speaker 2: the Fine Baums and Lane Kiffin, they'll they'll just ignore
Speaker 2: it and then continue to come out talking about twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five college football as if it's still the league
Speaker 2: that not only is the best, but just has you know,
Speaker 2: is on a different planet compared to everybody else. But
Speaker 2: they'll be proof, not just this year. This year is
Speaker 2: the big proof, but like they'll be there'll be signs
Speaker 2: that since we hit this new world of nil and
Speaker 2: the portal, yeah, you're still great, but the gap is closing.
Speaker 2: It's not only not what you believe it is, it's
Speaker 2: not even close to that. So I'm I'm I'm willing
Speaker 2: to acknowledge even if the Big Ten and the independent
Speaker 2: Notre Dame team play in the title, it'll I'll still
Speaker 2: tell you that I think top to bottom the best
Speaker 2: league in college football is the SEC. They're but with
Speaker 2: that said, I still would like I just want them
Speaker 2: to be humbled there. But I also kind of feel like,
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, they won't be because there's just
Speaker 2: a there's an elitist tone from the SEC from certain
Speaker 2: programs for good reason, like Alabama, specifically Alabama. They it's
Speaker 2: they're they're wrong this year, but like you totally understood
Speaker 2: why they feel like they should get the benefit of
Speaker 2: that out because they're Alabama. Well then it played out
Speaker 2: this year where like they they didn't do anything that
Speaker 2: would make anybody think they were worthy of being a
Speaker 2: team that belongs in the playoff. They didn't get in
Speaker 2: and they shouldn't have got it, and then they got
Speaker 2: their ass kicked by Michigan in a bowl game. So
Speaker 2: they thought that they were clearly just better despite the
Speaker 2: losses they had than other teams with a similar record,
Speaker 2: And I think it's not crazy for them to view
Speaker 2: it that way. I don't think it's crazy for fans
Speaker 2: that aren't Alabama fans to see it that way. But
Speaker 2: then it played out and you were wrong, and they
Speaker 2: probably really let's be real, Haylen Neibor, he's got to
Speaker 2: have he's gonna have to have a good year next year,
Speaker 2: like not like he needs to be really really good
Speaker 2: or they'll start to think they need to make a change.
Speaker 2: So those programs. Alabama is a great example, even Georgia.
Speaker 2: Like Georgia, they felt elite and they you know, they
Speaker 2: they were good this year. Nobody would say they weren't.
Speaker 2: But them getting humbled by Notre Dame the way they
Speaker 2: did probably was a was a tough, tough pill to swallow.
Speaker 2: So those are programs that have earned I think, a
Speaker 2: level of benefit of the doubt. But then there's other
Speaker 2: teams like what is lank link Kiffin thinks he's he's
Speaker 2: the guy that should be given the benefit of the
Speaker 2: doubt when quite literally, his whole career has been mostly
Speaker 2: off of flash and not substance. Lank Kiffin, other than
Speaker 2: this year when they beat Georgia, he'd never won a
Speaker 2: game he wasn't supposed to win. I mean, lank kifvin
Speaker 2: was winning all the games he's supposed to win, sometimes
Speaker 2: really ugly, he'd compete against good teams. But like liank Kiffin,
Speaker 2: he's the last guy that should feel like he he
Speaker 2: deserved Like despite their loss and despite the home loss
Speaker 2: to Kentucky, well, if you know, you can't tell me
Speaker 2: we're not one of the best twelve teams. Yeah, I can,
Speaker 2: and there was no way to really prove it, and
Speaker 2: I guess technically this still isn't any way to fully
Speaker 2: prove it now. But as things have played out, I mean,
Speaker 2: the SEC should be a little more humble. But I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's I don't know if that's gonna
Speaker 2: happen or not. I really don't. All right, it's coffee
Speaker 2: and company we are feel about Thordon's here on Sports
Speaker 2: Talk seven ninety. I've not been outside since, you know,
Speaker 2: about an hour and I don't know an hour and
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes ago, and it was snowing pretty hard,
Speaker 2: and I would imagine it's still doing that right now,
Speaker 2: so stay safe. The roads on my way in here
Speaker 2: were not bad, but maybe that's changed since then. I
Speaker 2: it does sound like once the snow comes to an
Speaker 2: end before I guess a little bit later this evening,
Speaker 2: maybe around seven o'clock or something, it's gonna be cold,
Speaker 2: and it'll be really cold tomorrow, so roads will probably
Speaker 2: still be bad. But what I'm interested to see is
Speaker 2: on Sunday, when we get aboff freezing, how long is
Speaker 2: it above freezing? And I guess how much is it
Speaker 2: above freezing? Because when this stuff starts to melt, that's great,
Speaker 2: but you got to keep in mind there's so much
Speaker 2: much of it that if it's melting for I don't know,
Speaker 2: the five hour window that we get aboff freezing, and
Speaker 2: then you get to the evening and it's twenty degrees again,
Speaker 2: like all that stuff's just going to freeze, And I
Speaker 2: just don't are we ever going to go back to school?
Speaker 2: Like I don't go to school, clearly, but our kid's
Speaker 2: gonna ever go back to school because they had a
Speaker 2: full week off this week, and I'm thinking Monday will
Speaker 2: probably be the day because again we're going to get
Speaker 2: aboff freezing, but it's not like it's going to be
Speaker 2: a buff freezing for five days straight. It's going to
Speaker 2: be just a certain stretch of time throughout that day.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, but this has clearly been as
Speaker 2: we get to the end of the week, this has
Speaker 2: been the winter week that has impacted us, And as
Speaker 2: you know, it's been the wildest and I wouldn't even
Speaker 2: I'm sure other places wouldn't call this wild compared to
Speaker 2: you know, if you're in the Northeast, I'm sure this
Speaker 2: is nothing. But for us, this is as big of
Speaker 2: a snow week we've had around here in a long
Speaker 2: long time. And as much as I did think it
Speaker 2: was kind of fun early on, I'm ready. I'm ready
Speaker 2: for it to be over.
Speaker 3: I'm sick of it. I'm done with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was fun. Thank you for coming back
Speaker 2: and reminding us what a what a winter is when
Speaker 2: you hit snow totals like we've had this week. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm ready for Uh I'm not ready for like for
Speaker 2: the spring yet, but I'm just ready for it to
Speaker 2: not be that cold outside. And I'm ready for my
Speaker 2: kids to go back to school in daycare. So you know,
Speaker 2: I can I can get some hit some sanity back.
Speaker 2: All right, let's do this. Let's take a quick break.
Speaker 2: What do I want to get to on the other
Speaker 2: side A wild Kelly Dicky stat that, uh, I just
Speaker 2: I didn't even know how to set it up. But
Speaker 2: if Lamar Jackson wins, wins the MVP Award, Louisville Athletics
Speaker 2: will be able to say something that nobody else can
Speaker 2: say when it comes to former athletes that have gone
Speaker 2: on to have success in the professional ranks. So we
Speaker 2: can certainly get into that. Also, I do want to
Speaker 2: talk a little more about this basketball weekend. We've got
Speaker 2: Louisville taken on Pittsburgh on the road, Easily the best game,
Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, easily, in my opinion, easily the best
Speaker 2: team they're going to play the rest of the way. Now,
Speaker 2: maybe you say that says more about the SEC than
Speaker 2: it does pit That's fine, I get it if you
Speaker 2: see it that way. But I happen to think Pitt's
Speaker 2: really good and Louisville right now seemingly has better momentum
Speaker 2: than they've ever had. So I am eager to see
Speaker 2: what happens tomorrow and I'll be there noon, and Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: looking forward to it. Taking the family should be a
Speaker 2: lot of fun. And then Kentucky, they've got Mississippi State
Speaker 2: on the road and a real I mean, it's not
Speaker 2: ideal to have this opponent at their place coming off
Speaker 2: your loss to Georgia. But if anything, you'll be able
Speaker 2: to see pretty quickly. Are you Are you learning from
Speaker 2: what teams are able to do against you that makes
Speaker 2: you so vulnerable? Because Mississippi State is going to do
Speaker 2: exactly that, and it's gonna be a tough game for Kentucky.
Speaker 2: No doubt so stick with us. We haven't even really
Speaker 2: got into the NFL playoffs this weekend, but we'll certainly
Speaker 2: do that. So hang out right here. Coffee and Company
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Speaker 2: I could be wrong here, but was this Chris Brown's
Speaker 2: for song like his first hit?
Speaker 3: No? I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Look it up because I think it was either this
Speaker 2: or Excuse Me Miss? Do you know that song? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think excuse Me Miss was before this.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: This was godsh it makes me realize how long he's been.
Speaker 2: I guess you know, a star because he this was
Speaker 2: when I was in one of these songs, either excuse
Speaker 2: Me miss or this one you're playing? Was it came
Speaker 2: out when I was in high school, which was a
Speaker 2: long time ago.
Speaker 4: In fact, run It Run. It was probably his his
Speaker 4: official first one.
Speaker 2: That's what that was, right?
Speaker 3: No, that was gimme the Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay? Are they both really similar? Am I crazy Chris
Speaker 2: Brown songs?
Speaker 3: During this?
Speaker 2: Okay? Because I'm because now that you say that, I
Speaker 2: do realize that they're different songs. But you could. I
Speaker 2: would have believed you if you told me that that
Speaker 2: was that they were the same.
Speaker 3: I gotcha. I'll play you out on the next one.
Speaker 2: You'll so now I'm curious. So Run. It was his
Speaker 2: first single that was huge and it was number one hit.
Speaker 2: Then it was excuse Me, miss, and then it was
Speaker 2: give me That, and they all came out in why
Speaker 2: does this not show me? The year? It was all
Speaker 2: on his debut albums, so technically in the same two.
Speaker 3: Thousand and six maybe so he high school at one point.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, well it was before I got there, about
Speaker 4: two or three years before I got there, But they
Speaker 4: went to state championships and I think their band had
Speaker 4: won an actual state champion and they had entered to
Speaker 4: win like some sort of contest where Chris Brown was
Speaker 4: going to high schools that year, and he came and
Speaker 4: played in like the cafeteria. It was like three years
Speaker 4: before I got there.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that that that he became such a
Speaker 2: big star when he was so young. I thought he
Speaker 2: was a little bit older than that. In fact, really random,
Speaker 2: and I mean an absolute random ass story that is
Speaker 2: that is that is hard to believe, but it's true.
Speaker 2: One of my close friends I grew up with from
Speaker 2: the time we were five years old. We graduated high
Speaker 2: school together. He was he was my backcourt mate on
Speaker 2: high school basketball team. He he got into like dancing,
Speaker 2: like choreography, and and that became like his passion when
Speaker 2: we were seniors in high school, and you know, growing
Speaker 2: up in Bullet County like it was, you know, it's
Speaker 2: kind of hard to relate to that because there wasn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, he was the only person that I had
Speaker 2: ever heard of that decided, as a seventeen year old
Speaker 2: kid from Bullet County that he wanted to be like
Speaker 2: Wan that's what he wanted to do.
Speaker 4: Dance sounds like very Zach effrom in high school. So
Speaker 4: I'm not going to follow your dream, dad, I'm a dancer.
Speaker 2: But but you know, right after that, it kind of
Speaker 2: became a bigger thing to where that show with Randy
Speaker 2: Jackson on MTV America's Beast Dance Creer. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you guys remember that show or not, but he
Speaker 2: ended up and he went back Cody when we were
Speaker 2: growing up, but his name is Dakota Once. Once he
Speaker 2: entered the entertainment world, he became Dakota so that's what
Speaker 2: I call him now he's Dakota. But he ended up
Speaker 2: moving to Atlanta and he joined with one of those
Speaker 2: dance dance groups like the Jabbawalking. Yeah, so that's what
Speaker 2: that show was with Randy Jackson from American Idol. They
Speaker 2: gave him an American Idol type show on MTV that
Speaker 2: was about instead of just performing like singing and whatnot,
Speaker 2: it was dancing as a group and they were called
Speaker 2: Royal Flush and they made they made it pretty deep
Speaker 2: into the show and then he ended up moving to
Speaker 2: l a and he became a backup dancer for Chris Brown.
Speaker 2: He went on tour with Chris Brown for like four years.
Speaker 2: We're talking we're talking South Africa. Like he was all
Speaker 2: over the world and he ended up getting hurt and
Speaker 2: it's kind of like an athlete. He got hurt towards
Speaker 2: a cl and they could they replaced him. But he
Speaker 2: met his now his now wife and they've got two
Speaker 2: wonderful children together. They live in in Seattle. But he
Speaker 2: met her. She was also a part of the of
Speaker 2: the dance group. So yeah, I mean it's it's one
Speaker 2: of the most random things that like because not only
Speaker 2: did you know not only did did Chris Brown perform
Speaker 2: on is either Jimmy Fallon or it might have been
Speaker 2: SNL And sure enough, like he's Chris Brown's out there
Speaker 2: performing as the act in one of the five Guys.
Speaker 2: That's five guys and girl girls that are a part
Speaker 2: of like his his I'm doing a terrible job of
Speaker 2: of of I mean, there are dancers, but like you know,
Speaker 2: not just any dancers, like they're a part of his,
Speaker 2: his tour, like his that's his team essentially, So you know,
Speaker 2: you turn it on and sure enough you see it.
Speaker 2: I remember no joke pulling open Facebook one time in
Speaker 2: like twenty fifteen or something, and there was somebody that
Speaker 2: shared an article from like I don't know, wasn't TMZ,
Speaker 2: but it's one of the one of the big, you know,
Speaker 2: global pop culture sites that covers that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and it showed a picture of them getting ready to
Speaker 2: come out on stage. I think it was on Jimmy
Speaker 2: Fallon And sure enough, there he was, like he was
Speaker 2: right next to Chris Brown.
Speaker 3: It was just wild to.
Speaker 2: See he was in the movie. It was in two
Speaker 2: different movies Footloose, which I actually never ended up seeing,
Speaker 2: but he was in Footloose that they redid like in
Speaker 2: the I don't know when they did it, but and
Speaker 2: then he also was in uh, what's the what's the gosh,
Speaker 2: what's it called? It had the It's gonna drive Me crazy?
Speaker 2: Pitch Perfect? They did pitch Perfect and pitch Perfect too.
Speaker 2: You know that was that what do they call it?
Speaker 2: That's a musical? Right, yeah, you've seen those, right, those movies, right,
Speaker 2: So the pitch Perfect movies are musicals. While everybody's singing,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of dance going on, and he was
Speaker 2: in that. So super random. No, that's pretty cool, and
Speaker 2: in a way I feel like I have some kind
Speaker 2: of a connection to Chris Brown. Not really, but at
Speaker 2: least I can say it and tell a wild story that,
Speaker 2: despite it being insane, it's it's actually true.
Speaker 3: We need to get Chris Brown on the show Not
Speaker 3: Your Body.
Speaker 2: I've heard not good things about him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard so too. He's doing like tours now
Speaker 4: where he's just taking pictures.
Speaker 2: With Oh yeah, I mean I've seen the memes. I've
Speaker 2: heard some stories about how he I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: think he's a great guy. And you know it's coming
Speaker 2: from somebody who not not joking, live with him, within
Speaker 2: him on a bus and then across the world for
Speaker 2: many years, and I don't think he's a great dude,
Speaker 2: which probably doesn't surprise a lot of people, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, but make certainly a lot of hot trouble.
Speaker 2: Certainly an entertainer, no doubt about that, all right. So
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey on his on his radio show, I believe
Speaker 2: last night of the Night before, had mentioned something that
Speaker 2: I've seen labeled as the worst kept secret around, which
Speaker 2: I guess just speaks to how disconnected I am from
Speaker 2: what's going on, because I had no clue about this
Speaker 2: at all, but apparently others did and it was just
Speaker 2: like a whisper thing. But I learned about it from
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey saying on his radio show that Noah Waterman
Speaker 2: in December actually had a surgical procedure on his hand
Speaker 2: and he's been playing with rods in his hand. So
Speaker 2: Noah has I mean, look, he struggled this year to
Speaker 2: make shots. He's looked uncomfortable, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: go down this path again because it'll I'll spend more
Speaker 2: time on it than I want to because there's no
Speaker 2: don't I don't know the answer, But man, he when
Speaker 2: fans were mad at this team at points this year,
Speaker 2: I feel like he got all the energy from that.
Speaker 2: And it makes sense in regards to like the fact
Speaker 2: that he's taking a lot of threes and he's not
Speaker 2: making them and that's kind of what he's supposed to do.
Speaker 2: And he'll be a klutz at times and kind of
Speaker 2: fall over, and you know, he's a defensive he can
Speaker 2: be a liability on defense depending upon the matchup. So
Speaker 2: I've never really understood why he got it more than
Speaker 2: anybody else. Maybe it's because he sort of, I guess,
Speaker 2: has that vibe and I don't pick up on this
Speaker 2: as much as as others do, but like he's the
Speaker 2: guy that if he's playing well and he's being you know,
Speaker 2: he's he's feeling himself, then you're happy he's on your team,
Speaker 2: because he was on the other team, you'd hate him.
Speaker 2: Like I get why people say that the case in prior,
Speaker 2: like he very much carried himself that way to where
Speaker 2: I totally understood why people had said that. But when
Speaker 2: it comes to Noah Waterman, I never really quite got it.
Speaker 2: But I felt bad for him because he was struggling
Speaker 2: and he was still going to play a lot of
Speaker 2: minutes because you know, you know, you don't have anybody
Speaker 2: else like he's he's going to be a part of
Speaker 2: this team because they don't for a good stretch, they
Speaker 2: didn't have anybody else to play. So I don't I
Speaker 2: guess what I'm getting at is here when it makes
Speaker 2: a little more sense as to why he's not shot
Speaker 2: the ball, well, I don't. I don't believe that the
Speaker 2: surgery where he had rods put in his hand was
Speaker 2: on the shooting hand. I could be wrong. I feel
Speaker 2: like you'd have a tough time doing anything if that
Speaker 2: was the case, and you wouldn't be able to not
Speaker 2: he had' missed any games, by the way, so I
Speaker 2: think it's his all offhand. But either way, that is
Speaker 2: going to impact your ability to shoot the ball. So
Speaker 2: that at least explains a little bit as to why
Speaker 2: he's fired it up there at times. And it looked
Speaker 2: as if like, man, why this guy. You told me
Speaker 2: this guy was a shooter, So that you know that,
Speaker 2: that makes a little more sense. And I just think
Speaker 2: for Pat Kelsey to keep that within, for Noah Waterman
Speaker 2: to want that to be kept private, I mean, I
Speaker 2: think that kind of speaks to this team's maturity and
Speaker 2: their ability to kind of block out any kind of noise.
Speaker 2: Because if I was Noah's age, which you know he's
Speaker 2: he's not an eighteen year old freshman. He's been playing
Speaker 2: college basketball a long time. He's probably twenty three, twenty
Speaker 2: four years old, but still that's that's young to me.
Speaker 2: If I was that age, and I was and I
Speaker 2: had stretches of play and games that were really, really bad,
Speaker 2: I would at least want I would have I would
Speaker 2: have an insecurity within myself to want people to understand
Speaker 2: the reason I'm playing so bad is because I'm out
Speaker 2: here giving you everything I can and I just had
Speaker 2: rods put in my hand. But he you know they
Speaker 2: you know. I didn't hear it directly. I saw a
Speaker 2: write up about it from I believe it was the
Speaker 2: CJ that that highlighted or that mentioned Kelsey's quote, and
Speaker 2: he said, I don't I think what he's I think
Speaker 2: he led with I probably shouldn't say this. I'm sure
Speaker 2: they don't want me to say this, or maybe he
Speaker 2: doesn't want me to say this, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: say it anyway. And that's when he shared that Waterman
Speaker 2: has been playing with this injury, and I mean, I
Speaker 2: think it's one more than anything, just the fact that
Speaker 2: he's playing hurt, knowing that he's needed more than ever
Speaker 2: because of these injuries that has happened. I mean, and
Speaker 2: he's and he's still giving you everything he can. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's one of those things where it's kind of what
Speaker 2: you would expect, but also like it probably has been
Speaker 2: very difficult for him, and yet he's played poorly and
Speaker 2: nobody realizes that he's actually gone through a pretty you know,
Speaker 2: probably a pretty painful injury, and clearly he's not been
Speaker 2: as comfortable out there, and yet he's you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know what the value is in
Speaker 2: keeping that within, but more than anything, it speaks to
Speaker 2: this group they're not they've and I said this against
Speaker 2: I think it might have been in the Duke game
Speaker 2: when they came back from the Bahamas. They got their
Speaker 2: buck kicked by Ole Miss, and then they had Duke,
Speaker 2: and they played really tough early on, they led for
Speaker 2: about thirty minutes, and then it kind of got away late.
Speaker 2: They lost by double digits. Duke clearly was just a
Speaker 2: better team. I remember thinking to myself. Look, these guys
Speaker 2: have had a lot of legitimate excuses of legitimate factors
Speaker 2: that it's just bad luck, right, injuries, that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and they don't carry themselves in any way as if
Speaker 2: they feel sorry for themselves. They're not victims. And I
Speaker 2: think knowing Waterman's injury situation now and it never being
Speaker 2: at least I mean, it wasn't public knowledge, and he
Speaker 2: certainly didn't go out of his way to tell anybody.
Speaker 2: Pat Kelsey didn't want to tell anybody. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think that speaks to these guys. They're not going to
Speaker 2: make any excuses. They got a job to do and
Speaker 2: they're going to give everything they have to get the
Speaker 2: job done. So I'm not happy to hear that Noah's
Speaker 2: been dealing with that and that he's had rods put
Speaker 2: in his hand, But again, it kind of makes me
Speaker 2: love this team even more. Something else that Pat Kelsey said,
Speaker 2: this was not in on his Coaches show. This was
Speaker 2: in I guess an interview that he did. Make sure
Speaker 2: I cite my sources here because I'm going to play
Speaker 2: this sound for you. This is Pat Kelsey during an
Speaker 2: interview with Louisville native David Novak, who is a business
Speaker 2: leader here locally. He recently had Pat Kelsey on to I.
Speaker 2: Don't I guess this? I guess uh, mister Novak has show,
Speaker 2: a podcast, whatever it may be. But this was something
Speaker 2: that I was not expecting to hear, but certainly something
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 5: You know, I've reached out to Coach Crumb's widow, who's
Speaker 5: been phenomenal to me. You know. It was really really
Speaker 5: cool and I don't know if he's going to be
Speaker 5: mad that I'm saying this on a on a broadcast
Speaker 5: like this, but I had a long text exchange the
Speaker 5: other day with the great Rick Patino, which was really
Speaker 5: really cool. Peyton Siva asked me, he goes Coach Patino
Speaker 5: asked for your number? Do you mind if I.
Speaker 2: Give it to him? And I said, heck no.
Speaker 5: And about ten minutes later I got a text from
Speaker 5: him and it was a follow up from the Kentucky
Speaker 5: game which he watched. And my response first of all,
Speaker 5: was like, are you sure is this somebody like pulling
Speaker 5: my leg?
Speaker 3: Or is this really Rick Patino?
Speaker 5: And it was really him and gave me some you know,
Speaker 5: just some good feedback and said some really nice things,
Speaker 5: and it just made my heart beat fast and made
Speaker 5: the hair staring up my arms, that that a guy
Speaker 5: like that, that's such a legend around here, cares about
Speaker 5: what we're doing and acknowledged, you know, our game the
Speaker 5: other day against against Kentucky.
Speaker 2: So so, Austin, I wanted to get your thoughts on
Speaker 2: that because you developed, I think the emotional investment you made,
Speaker 2: the emotional investment, you developed the connection to Louisville basketball
Speaker 2: to where it means a lot to you when Rick
Speaker 2: was here. Correct, yep, clearly he's not here anymore, and
Speaker 2: he's done some things lately with Kentucky that would make
Speaker 2: fans feel a certain way. Despite it making sense, it's
Speaker 2: still not something you want to see. What does that
Speaker 2: do to you at all? If anything, when you hear
Speaker 2: that Tina wanted to reach out to Pat Kelsey and
Speaker 2: talk a little ball and you know, I guess just
Speaker 2: want to establish some kind of rapport they'd never talked before.
Speaker 2: I've got my thoughts on it, but I feel like
Speaker 2: for you, I mean, maybe I'm wrong here, but I
Speaker 2: feel like that's got to be a good a good
Speaker 2: vibe for you because it's like the parents divorced and
Speaker 2: it's like you know, knowing that your your stepdad and
Speaker 2: your and your real dad or like, you know, they're
Speaker 2: cordial and you can like both of them.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: It's it's not like the Will Smith meme anymore, like
Speaker 4: why don't he don't want me anymore? You know, it's
Speaker 4: it's it feels good and it feels like it's a
Speaker 4: step in like the right direction. I was never one
Speaker 4: of those fans that got mad when he went back
Speaker 4: to Kentucky.
Speaker 3: I mean a little bit.
Speaker 2: It always he didn't want to see it, but you
Speaker 2: understood it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you understood it because it always hurt.
Speaker 4: I mean, he wasn't shy about saying how much he
Speaker 4: loved Kentucky even when he was here.
Speaker 2: And what most people didn't pick up on, and I
Speaker 2: didn't either at the time, because you know, you're just
Speaker 2: so deep into the rivalry. When Rick would be a
Speaker 2: little spicy towards Lexington and Kentucky, it was not about
Speaker 2: that program, that and base. It was about that man,
Speaker 2: John Caliparira. It was cal so he probably had an
Speaker 2: offit had, you know, had feelings for them more so
Speaker 2: than we even realized when he was here. But he
Speaker 2: just couldn't go there. But in fact, I think that
Speaker 2: drove him crazy more than anything that of all people,
Speaker 2: Cal was running Kentucky and and thriving. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I remember you and I talking about it at
Speaker 2: the time, that the whole Kentucky thing, like I didn't
Speaker 2: want to see it. I would quickly just scroll past.
Speaker 2: I mean this may sound silly, but I would just
Speaker 2: quickly scroll past stuff on social media because I didn't
Speaker 2: want to like even you know, I don't want to
Speaker 2: go there. Yeah, exactly, That's kind of the way I
Speaker 2: And then when you know, Rick wanted to make it
Speaker 2: all about him, which he typically does. And look, I'll
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I think it's cool that that
Speaker 2: Patino wanted to reach out to Pat Kelsey. I don't
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have wouldn't have minded if he never did it,
Speaker 2: doesn't you know. But overall, as a Louisville fan who
Speaker 2: realizes the best era that of my life time for
Speaker 2: the louis of basketball was clearly when Rick Patino was here,
Speaker 2: and now he's moved on, and there's just no scenario
Speaker 2: where that tenure, that stretch of time within this program,
Speaker 2: it is going to stand out as I mean not
Speaker 2: only was it important to get Louisville back to the
Speaker 2: top during Rick's time here and win a national championship,
Speaker 2: go to a few final fours like that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff matters. That's why louisll can still to this day,
Speaker 2: despite the recent years of struggles, claim they're one of
Speaker 2: the best programs in the sport. So there's never a
Speaker 2: scenario where that era won't be remembered fondly. Even though
Speaker 2: Rick didn't get out of here in a good way,
Speaker 2: and even though he's clearly been bitter, and there was
Speaker 2: a lot of scandals that happened, a lot of stains
Speaker 2: that took a while, and it's still taken some time,
Speaker 2: I suppose, as far as national perception to get rid
Speaker 2: of that. But our best memories were during that time,
Speaker 2: and we all know that. Unfortunately, the nature of what
Speaker 2: went on and what was connected to those scandals, the salaciousness,
Speaker 2: you know, made it seem you know, it's just how
Speaker 2: life works. Man. People who think about Rick petinat Louisville
Speaker 2: that didn't experience it like we did by any means,
Speaker 2: and maybe didn't even really follow college basketball all that closely,
Speaker 2: they'll think Rick Patino at Louisville and they'll think hookers
Speaker 2: in the dorm. I hate to be so blood, but
Speaker 2: that's just that's just that's how things work. And again
Speaker 2: I'm talking to maybe people out of sight, out of
Speaker 2: mind that don't follow college basketball that closely, So all
Speaker 2: that stuff sucks. But either way, we all know that
Speaker 2: our some of our best memories are in that era.
Speaker 2: And now I some of Rick's best memories were absolutely
Speaker 2: Rick Pottino in my opinion, And again this goes back
Speaker 2: to what I just said about what happened. When you
Speaker 2: think of Rick Patino, you think of Louisville before you
Speaker 2: think of Kentucky. And I like to believe it mostly
Speaker 2: because of one how long he was at Louisill. He
Speaker 2: was here longer than he was in Kentucky, and he
Speaker 2: had a lot of success. But I'm also not foolish
Speaker 2: enough to say that because of the national attention that
Speaker 2: was that that that this program got because of what
Speaker 2: went on, that's also a factor in it too. So look, Rick,
Speaker 2: I think Rick does love Louisville. I think he's a
Speaker 2: little bit unrelatable to where like he doesn't like he's
Speaker 2: not I mean, he he appreciates his time here and
Speaker 2: knows that he had it. It had something really good,
Speaker 2: and I think that's why I bothered him so much
Speaker 2: that it ended the way that it did. But you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know Rick. Rick will eventually be welcomed back here,
Speaker 2: and he's welcome back now, like even after the Kentucky stuff.
Speaker 2: Like in fact, I'm glad that people kept some receipts
Speaker 2: and made it quite clear that look, you do what
Speaker 2: you want to do with Kentucky. We don't have to
Speaker 2: like it, but we get it. But to claim that
Speaker 2: you're not invited back and you're not welcome like that
Speaker 2: ended up being like Rick got put on Front Street.
Speaker 3: That was a lie.
Speaker 2: That was a lie. Josh Hurd has confirmed through others
Speaker 2: that that was just not true. And Luke Cancock, of
Speaker 2: all people, was very very upset to hear Rick claim
Speaker 2: that he's not been welcomed back whenever Luke and a
Speaker 2: lot of his guys have done everything they could to
Speaker 2: make it to make it to where he can come back,
Speaker 2: and again he can. He just he'll have to be
Speaker 2: the one that decides to do that. But maybe now
Speaker 2: that there is a level of somewhat of a relationship
Speaker 2: between Kelsey and Patino. Maybe that'll happen sooner rather than later,
Speaker 2: which I think would be great. Like I feel like
Speaker 2: that'll be another st and again it won't have anything
Speaker 2: to do with like this programs succeeding moving forward, but
Speaker 2: Rick coming back and getting a you know, being able
Speaker 2: to be honored in some way, like if they do
Speaker 2: a fifteen year anniversary of the twenty thirteen TIT title team,
Speaker 2: maybe that's the window where he could come back. And
Speaker 2: to me, this sounds corny, I know, but that to
Speaker 2: me is somewhat of a part of the closure here
Speaker 2: of like completely removing ourselves from how bad that era
Speaker 2: ended and how bad it's been since then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like getting the hay you up text?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt, I mean. And the fact that Rick,
Speaker 2: I mean Rick did it the right way, reaching out
Speaker 2: to Peyton, who of course he's still close with, and
Speaker 2: obviously I just I just can imagine being a fly
Speaker 2: on the wall as Peyton walks into Pat Kelsey's office
Speaker 2: and is like, hey, coach Patino wanted me to give
Speaker 2: you his number. You cool if you're my boss, Like
Speaker 2: I don't want if Pat Kelsey was like, of course,
Speaker 2: hell yeah, and I am sure that some of that
Speaker 2: is an exaggeration. Maybe a lot of it is an
Speaker 2: exaggeration in regards to Kelsey's like, are you kidding me
Speaker 2: to be able to talk basketball with the legend and
Speaker 2: the hair on my arm stood up? Like maybe some
Speaker 2: of that's hokey, Maybe some of that's an exaggeration, but
Speaker 2: either way, like it speaks to his humility, and I
Speaker 2: think that's a huge part of why this can really
Speaker 2: work out here because he's he's he's feeling I mean,
Speaker 2: he's feeling pretty good about where things are right now,
Speaker 2: and he has every right to. And I hope that
Speaker 2: they can keep that momentum rolling tomor against Pittsburgh quick break.
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Speaker 2: So, if Lamar Jackson does end up being the NFL MVP,
Speaker 2: which if you listed earlier, him getting thirty votes for
Speaker 2: ap all NFL First Team quarterback, whereas it looks like
Speaker 2: the let's see eighteen votes for Josh Allen two for Burrow,
Speaker 2: but thirty for Lamar. That has made Lamar now the
Speaker 2: favorite to win his third MVP. But according to Kelly Dickey,
Speaker 2: if Jackson when's the ap NFL MVP Award, excuse me,
Speaker 2: Louisville would be the first college to have former players
Speaker 2: combining for six MVP awards and the NFL MVP Awards
Speaker 2: by college says Herewi Yeah, if he does, Louisville will
Speaker 2: be in the Yeah, so calif this is such misleading,
Speaker 2: but cal has four former NFL has four MVPs as
Speaker 2: a college and it's all from one guy, clearly in Louisville's.
Speaker 2: Louisville's is not though, because of Johnny United. So Lamar
Speaker 2: gets three his third, you haven't united with his. You
Speaker 2: would end up with Louisville, Notre Dame in Tennessee, being
Speaker 2: able to claim that they are the leaders as far
Speaker 2: as producing the most NFL MVPs. So random, do that
Speaker 2: with that what you want. But hey, if you're looking
Speaker 2: for something to add to the list of things you
Speaker 2: can throw out there about what Lamar Jackson has done
Speaker 2: for Louisville football, you know, he's he's he's done a lot.
Speaker 2: But him continuing to be the best player in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's it's hard to know what it's
Speaker 2: doing for you this day and age, but it certainly
Speaker 2: helps you more than it could ever hurt you. All Right,
Speaker 2: This is not something you typically see. This is awful,
Speaker 2: but certainly a big piece of news in college football today.
Speaker 2: And I suppose also when it comes to the NFL draft,
Speaker 2: because I don't know where this guy's actual draft stock was,
Speaker 2: but a former LSU quarterback, Kyrien Lacy, he has he's
Speaker 2: cooperating with authorities and is going to turn himself in
Speaker 2: because he's wanted on charges of neglect, I'm not sorry,
Speaker 2: negligent homicide, felony, hit and run. So apparently on December seventeenth,
Speaker 2: this young man he was in an accident or I
Speaker 2: guess he called.
Speaker 3: I read it.
Speaker 2: I read the report earlier, and it was it was
Speaker 2: somewhat confusing, but from when I gathered he actually he
Speaker 2: didn't he didn't get in a wreck, but his crazy
Speaker 2: driving resulted in a very bad car accident, and it
Speaker 2: ended up killing a former marine and injured two other people.
Speaker 2: That's according to the Louisiana State Police w WAFB and
Speaker 2: Baton Rouge is the one who broke this story. But
Speaker 2: they say that the investigators alleged that Lacy, who declared
Speaker 2: for the draft just two days after this crash, sped
Speaker 2: from the scene of the ten am accident after initially
Speaker 2: causing it it did not report his involvement to the police.
Speaker 2: They later were able to determine that the vehicle that
Speaker 2: was driving recklessly that caused this faal accident was in
Speaker 2: fact Kyraen Lacey. He's twenty four, played at LSU for
Speaker 2: a long time, and it says here that he's also
Speaker 2: wanted on charges of reckless driving, which of course that
Speaker 2: reckless driving is what led to the accident and the
Speaker 2: negligent homicide. But he according to wa WAFB, his attorney
Speaker 2: is in communication with Louisiana State Police and he's expected
Speaker 2: to turn himself in. Apparently, he was driving a twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three Dodge Charger on an interstate and recklessly passed
Speaker 2: multiple vehicles at a high rate of speed by crossing
Speaker 2: the center line and entering the northbound lane while in
Speaker 2: a designated no passing zone. That's clearly very dangerous, but
Speaker 2: at that point a northbound driver and a pickup truck
Speaker 2: abruptly hit the brakes and swerve to avoid a head
Speaker 2: on collision with Lacy's dodge charger, forcing a Kia Cadenza
Speaker 2: that was behind the pickup to swerve left, crossing the
Speaker 2: center lane and hitting a southbound Kia Sorrento head on,
Speaker 2: and of course that led to the death of a
Speaker 2: seventy seventy eight year old man who was a former marine.
Speaker 2: So again not, I mean, that's just the tragic story
Speaker 2: all the way around, and LSU, you know, that's the
Speaker 2: kind of stuff you don't want your program being attached to.
Speaker 2: But I'm just again, when these kind of things happen,
Speaker 2: and I'm a nerd for I guess true crime, and
Speaker 2: I don't feel like this story fits in true crime
Speaker 2: right now. But when people end up making a big mistake,
Speaker 2: doing something really stupid or you know, doing something heinous
Speaker 2: that was you know, quite literally an awful act that
Speaker 2: they need to be helped count Like, I just I
Speaker 2: always try to think back to like in their mind,
Speaker 2: did they think they got away with it? Like if
Speaker 2: he's been actively communicating via his attorney to police, then
Speaker 2: maybe it's just been under wraps as far as it
Speaker 2: being a news story, but two days later he declares
Speaker 2: for the NFL Draft. Be hard for me to imagine
Speaker 2: that he wasn't aware that there was a crazy accident
Speaker 2: that he caused. And it's also one of those things
Speaker 2: that you know, you got to have pretty good app
Speaker 2: like for him to fully be charged with this, to
Speaker 2: where there's not some kind of a plea deal for
Speaker 2: a lower charge. I just don't know how you can
Speaker 2: fully prove that, like quite literally, he caused it. I
Speaker 2: mean it clearly. I mean, if the driving was what
Speaker 2: they claim it was in the investigation, and then yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it makes total sense that he should be
Speaker 2: had accountable because he's out there driving like a lunatic,
Speaker 2: causing others to react a certain way, and that's dangerous
Speaker 2: and that's that's why a crashed happened that took somebody's life.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I just having that way on
Speaker 2: your conscious knowing you did, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe people can truly block it out and just assume
Speaker 2: they're invincible. They got away with it and they'll never
Speaker 2: get caught. Like maybe that's how some people operate. But
Speaker 2: I'm too paranoid and again not to go down a
Speaker 2: path that wouldn't be good for this show. But I
Speaker 2: does anybody else ever sit around and think like there
Speaker 2: are people who walk among among us that are evil
Speaker 2: human beings and we have no clue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's I don't I don't often think about it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to think about it. That's no way
Speaker 2: to live. You know, you got to be you know,
Speaker 2: you got to have some awareness, You've got to have
Speaker 2: head on a swivel in certain situations. But like if
Speaker 2: you're just always fearful of like, oh, this person walking
Speaker 2: down the street, they may kill me. Like that's that's
Speaker 2: no way to live, and it would be awful. But
Speaker 2: every now and then, I'll, i'll, you know, you'll you'll
Speaker 2: hear of a story about somebody that you know you
Speaker 2: would have never expected doing something heinous or I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a reason that people are fascinated so much so
Speaker 2: by like serial killers. I mean, they're awful people, of course,
Speaker 2: but you know, a lot of them end up I
Speaker 2: guess not a lot of them, but at least some
Speaker 2: of them, some of the more notable and memorable ones
Speaker 2: over the years. One of the things that makes their
Speaker 2: story so fascinating is that they were living in playing
Speaker 2: They were living in plain sight amongst normal human beings,
Speaker 2: and nobody had a clue that they were, you know,
Speaker 2: killing people. I mean, it's crazy and this is not that,
Speaker 2: but still, just to know that he declared for the
Speaker 2: NFL draft and went on about his business as if
Speaker 2: nothing happened. Maybe there's a chance he didn't know that
Speaker 2: he caused the wreck that killed somebody. Maybe he thought
Speaker 2: that even if he did, he wouldn't be held accountable
Speaker 2: because you know, he didn't wreck. But yeah, just a
Speaker 2: wild story, no doubt. All Right, we got the five
Speaker 2: o'clock hour. We'll get wild here as we get out
Speaker 2: here for the weekend. It's coffee and company. Feel about
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