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<v Speaker 1>This is Dan Kaplis, and welcome to today's online podcast

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<v Speaker 1>edition of The Dan Kaplis Show. Please be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>to be glad you're here for this one.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to start with somebody who is fighting for

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<v Speaker 2>the American way in all of the best senses, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is a woman named Heather McCormick.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's going to tell you a story. Even if you've.

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<v Speaker 2>Heard it, you haven't heard it from her. She's going

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you a story that will infuriate you and

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<v Speaker 2>you will want to demand action right now. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>good and that's why we've asked Heather to come on,

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<v Speaker 2>because every good Colorado across all lines should want action

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<v Speaker 2>taken on this. And then we're going to be reporting

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<v Speaker 2>on a very big story today. Mike Johnston, mayor of Genver,

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<v Speaker 2>now spending two million dollars of Denver taxpayer money on

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<v Speaker 2>a big fancy DC law firm for what purpose, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clearly protect Mike Johnston. So we'll get to that

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<v Speaker 2>in a bit, but let's come out of the gate

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<v Speaker 2>with a woman named Heather McCormick. And Heather McCormick has

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<v Speaker 2>spoken out publicly at this point too. Shan Boyd in

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<v Speaker 2>a CBS four story about a situation at Columbine High School.

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<v Speaker 2>You won't even believe. And if you're already familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>the story, Heather, we'll add some more detail. Heather is

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<v Speaker 2>friends of the family involved, friends of the parents who

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<v Speaker 2>have had to endure something that has to be a nightmare,

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely heartbreaking for them. And I'll turn it over to

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<v Speaker 2>Heather now. Heather, thanks for joining me. Sure, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks happy to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you would please just tell people this story,

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<v Speaker 2>your understanding of it, and then obviously you've been in

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<v Speaker 2>touch with the family and that's where you get your perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>but please just take the floor and bring people up

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<v Speaker 2>to speed.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I guess we have to start all the way

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<v Speaker 4>back in the school year twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, when

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<v Speaker 4>this student was in Partney's ap was for ap Street class.

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<v Speaker 2>Heather, may I interrupt for a second. Don't mean to

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<v Speaker 2>be rude, but we have a bad connection. Does the

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<v Speaker 2>cell sound okay on your end?

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<v Speaker 4>It does have a pay on my end.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah. So what's going to happen now, Heather

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<v Speaker 2>is our amazing crew of engineering wizards are going to

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<v Speaker 2>try to modulate some stuff behind the glass and hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>we can get the sound quality better. So why don't

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<v Speaker 2>we pick it up from your point that twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen school year.

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<v Speaker 3>What happens then?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we're making those adjustments, and trust me, you're really yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're really going to want to hear from Heather on

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<v Speaker 2>this because Heather's going to tell you a story about

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to Columbine that I couldn't even believe when

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<v Speaker 2>I first heard it. Heather, let's pick it up with

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty eighteen twenty nineteen school year.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, hopefully you can hear me out.

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<v Speaker 3>My lord, it sounds like you're in the same room.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, great, during that school year, this is the school

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<v Speaker 4>year that the student was in Carney's history class, and

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<v Speaker 4>so that's where they first met. That was twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 4>twenty nineteen school year. And the teacher also at that

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<v Speaker 4>time discussed with the speech pathologist Ashley Thomas at the school,

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<v Speaker 4>just inquiring about how a student can be declared homeless

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<v Speaker 4>to contact. So that's kind of where it all started out.

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<v Speaker 4>If you fast forward a little bit to the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>and twenty one year, that's when the parents later found

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<v Speaker 4>out as they're going back and investigating and trying to

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<v Speaker 4>figure out what all happened, that there were over two

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<v Speaker 4>twenty thousand text messages exchanged between this teacher and their child,

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<v Speaker 4>and like over forty hours of talking on the phone.

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<v Speaker 4>So there was clearly more in this relationship than should

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<v Speaker 4>have been between teacher and student. And so anyways, if

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<v Speaker 4>we go to April twenty twenty two, this is her

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<v Speaker 4>senior year and kind of where everything sort of spirals

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<v Speaker 4>out of control for the family when they start finding

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<v Speaker 4>out all of the things that have been going on

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<v Speaker 4>behind their backs. So Ashley Thomas has reported some of

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<v Speaker 4>this information, filling in some of these gaps that she

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<v Speaker 4>was asked to take in this student. She had previously

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<v Speaker 4>taken in a homeless student. Well, when they met with

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<v Speaker 4>Christy and he said this the Scott Christy, the principal,

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<v Speaker 4>I call it my high school, and he said that

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<v Speaker 4>she had taken in homeless. You speak before, of course

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<v Speaker 4>the parents' first responses, but my kid isn't homeless, so

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<v Speaker 4>why would this be even on the radar. And so

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<v Speaker 4>at this point they didn't realize that what had been

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<v Speaker 4>happening is that their daughter had talked to her counselor

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<v Speaker 4>expressed as most teenagers do their you know, their frustrations

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<v Speaker 4>with their home life, and instead of talking to this

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<v Speaker 4>student working through it, and or if they felt there

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<v Speaker 4>was a real concern reporting it the way they are

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<v Speaker 4>mandatory reporters that have reported it to Child Protective Services,

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<v Speaker 4>instead they pursued this homeless status for this student so

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<v Speaker 4>that she could move out and in with a teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>Lord, let me ask you about a couple of names

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<v Speaker 2>for those not familiar with the story. You mentioned a

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<v Speaker 2>Kerney in the beginning. Is that Leanne Michelle Kearney a teacher?

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, she was a teacher? Uh huh?

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<v Speaker 2>And Ashley Thomas then, how again does she fit into it?

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<v Speaker 4>So, Ashley Thomas was the elogist at Columbine at that time,

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<v Speaker 4>and she had spoken with Karney. Well, Karney had spoken

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<v Speaker 4>to her about this because she had previously taken in

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<v Speaker 4>a child who was actually homeless, and so then when

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<v Speaker 4>they brought her back into the fold, she kind of

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<v Speaker 4>assumed that because the principal had known what was going on,

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<v Speaker 4>and the counselor had known what was going on, that

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<v Speaker 4>this was something that you know, they were in communication

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<v Speaker 4>with the parents about. So she went through the motions. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>Ashley Thomas is a speech pathologist, and this student was

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<v Speaker 4>a great student. She had a four point six gpa,

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<v Speaker 4>she was top ten percent of her class, She was

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<v Speaker 4>state swim, she was on the state so she was

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<v Speaker 4>a great student there. She wasn't there was no reason

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<v Speaker 4>for her to have any contact with the speech pathologist

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<v Speaker 4>at the school.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you say that she had taken in a

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<v Speaker 2>homeless student before, do you mean the teacher Kearnie or

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley Thomas.

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<v Speaker 4>Ashley Thomas had taken him before. That's why Kearnie had

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<v Speaker 4>talked to her about what that looked like, how to

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<v Speaker 4>declare her homeless and who took contact to do that?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And then is the belief at this point that Kearnie

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<v Speaker 2>had been having some type of intimate relationship with the student.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, now, in hindsight, with all the information they have

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<v Speaker 4>and the text messages and that you know, the hours

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<v Speaker 4>of talking and things they if now and currently she

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<v Speaker 4>is they have moved out of state and continued a

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<v Speaker 4>relationship post graduation.

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<v Speaker 2>So so this student now lives with Kearnie, the former

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<v Speaker 2>teacher she did.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't say first certain right now they live in

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<v Speaker 4>the same state, but I they were after they left here,

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<v Speaker 4>they moved to California. So the the family has a younger,

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<v Speaker 4>a sibling, So this student had a brother at school

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<v Speaker 4>with her at the same time that all this was

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<v Speaker 4>going on, and so after she graduated, he had heard

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<v Speaker 4>that his sister had moved to this small town in

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<v Speaker 4>California and son then they pieced that together that she

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<v Speaker 4>too right.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously Kearnie at this point has not been charged

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<v Speaker 2>with any crime, presumed innnicent of any crime, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>But what really concerns me just as a citizen of

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<v Speaker 2>the community and as a parent, because I think about

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<v Speaker 2>the parents, the heartbreak they must be suffering. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you can stay for another segment, Heather, I'd like you

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about some of what the parents have been

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<v Speaker 2>through that the whole situation just cries out for more,

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<v Speaker 2>more investigation, more action. I'd like to talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>about has anything been done, any consequences for any of

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<v Speaker 2>the folks, at Columbine.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a huge fan of Columbine, but I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know even great institutions sometimes fail horribly. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>is there an ongoing investigation of Columbine. So can you

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<v Speaker 2>stay with us for another segment? Absolutely great, Well, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back with Heather McCormick. And the more you know

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<v Speaker 2>about this story, I think the more you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>want answers for the good of everybody in the community.

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<v Speaker 3>You're on the Dan Caplas Show and now back to

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<v Speaker 3>the Dan Kaplass Show podcast. Oh wow, Ryan, maybe your

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<v Speaker 3>best ever.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking to about a story at a Columbine that

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<v Speaker 2>should concern everybody in the state. We're fortunate to have

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<v Speaker 2>Heather McCormick with us. She's a friend of the family

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<v Speaker 2>involved and a friend of the parents whose daughter and

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<v Speaker 2>we've heard the Sean Boyd CBS story. We've heard what

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<v Speaker 2>Heather just said. Heather will continue in a second. But

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<v Speaker 2>their daughter four, well close to a four point zero student,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, a successful athlete. Their daughter a student at

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<v Speaker 2>Columbine back in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. And then according

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<v Speaker 2>to what Heather's telling us in the Sean Boyd's story,

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<v Speaker 2>and it sounds as if there were over twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>texts between this teacher and the student, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>student ends up after graduation moving with the teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>Out of state.

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<v Speaker 2>And in the middle of all this, if I understand

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<v Speaker 2>it correctly, Heather, in the middle of all this, it

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<v Speaker 2>is discovered that there were a number of people in

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<v Speaker 2>authority at Columbine working together to have this student declared homeless,

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<v Speaker 2>even though she has a home, she has a mother

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<v Speaker 2>and a father and a brother in the school, she

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<v Speaker 2>has a home, she's doing well in school, she's doing

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<v Speaker 2>well as an athlete, and they're working together behind the

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<v Speaker 2>parents' back.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like to have her declared homeless. Is that

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<v Speaker 3>what occurred here?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that, like this part is so it's

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<v Speaker 4>so crazy to me that it made it through so

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<v Speaker 4>many levels of people without anybody reporting anything, either to

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<v Speaker 4>child protective protective services or contacting the family to make

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<v Speaker 4>sure that they were doing the right thing for this student.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, the counselor that the student had at the

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<v Speaker 4>time was working together with the family liaison from the

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<v Speaker 4>district her hownless. And the craziest part is that not

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<v Speaker 4>only were they doing this, but they specifically mentioned, don't

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<v Speaker 4>contact her on the phone number that's a INFINET campus

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<v Speaker 4>because that's the parent's phone number.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't use the.

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<v Speaker 4>Address of her home, use the school address or the

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<v Speaker 4>district address, So very specifically leaving the parents out as

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<v Speaker 4>they did this, and clearly on purpose, so as my

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<v Speaker 4>friend had said, like they would have preferred that they

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<v Speaker 4>called child chective services on them, so that they would

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<v Speaker 4>have shown up at the door and figured out that

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<v Speaker 4>this was not correct and we could have avoided this

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<v Speaker 4>whole thing. So the fact that they didn't, and also

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<v Speaker 4>there was another student at that school and at other

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<v Speaker 4>schools in jeff Coo that lived in this home that

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<v Speaker 4>they never checked in on. If it was a big

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<v Speaker 2>And if it's a big enough concern to declare homeless,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you have to call child protective services. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>comment on the law. But aren't there mandatory reporting requirements

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<v Speaker 2>if you believe a child's in danger, which from everything

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard it's the opposite that the child had a

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<v Speaker 2>And isn't part of this story that the mom eventually

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, first with the homeless the homeless paperwork, actually,

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<v Speaker 4>the mom also discovered so she had set up an

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<v Speaker 4>appointment with Scott Christie, the principal at the school, to

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<v Speaker 4>discuss sort of this. She had sent the teacher, mss

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<v Speaker 4>Carney a text message saying, please don't contact my student

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<v Speaker 4>any further. I never heard back from the teacher, never

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<v Speaker 4>very next day the mom found the homeless paperwork underneath

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<v Speaker 4>have never known that this was even filed. Oh my lord,

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<v Speaker 4>So she did find also, in reference to what you

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<v Speaker 4>So this student was hired on at the gym that

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<v Speaker 4>was a dream. She was writing about a dream. She

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and the twenty thousand texts between the teacher

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<v Speaker 2>and the student, how does the school explain that?

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<v Speaker 3>How does the school justify any of this?

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<v Speaker 4>Honestly, they don't. Scott Christy honestly, during their meeting with

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<v Speaker 4>him several times just said that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my lord. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>And was there some comments somewhere about referring to the teacher, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>she's helped students navigate their sexuality before something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Scott Christy did say that about.

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<v Speaker 2>The teacher, that she has helped other students navigate their sexuality.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that she takes interest in helping students navigate their sexuality.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, we're going to try to get mister Christy on.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Ryan has already invited him because we sure

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<v Speaker 2>to this story and listening to the great work Sewan

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<v Speaker 2>report has to be horrified, and I'd really like to

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<v Speaker 2>know how the school can possibly justify any of this.

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<v Speaker 2>And have there been investigations, Have there been investigations by

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<v Speaker 2>a professional society, investigations by law enforcement? I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen the police report, I know what they did

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<v Speaker 2>with regard to the teacher, But what about the people

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<v Speaker 2>at Columbine. And I'm not saying anybody committed a crime.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know the bottom line answer, but there's a

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<v Speaker 2>hell of a question. Has anybody investigated that question?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, definitely, I mean, I would imagine that fraudulent filing

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<v Speaker 4>fast that paperwork would be illegal and not reporting and

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<v Speaker 4>not you know, as a mandatory reporter, if you don't,

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<v Speaker 4>if you fail to report according to the state, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>there are you know, consequences for that. So but no,

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<v Speaker 4>the district did sort of an internal investigation, but they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't they didn't pursue anything. So Carney.

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<v Speaker 5>The teacher.

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<v Speaker 4>Quit when she got back, she's she was deployed until

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<v Speaker 4>so the student graduated in May, and this teacher was

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<v Speaker 4>you know, when she was coming back, she just chose

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<v Speaker 4>not to come back to Jeffco. So she wasn't fired,

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<v Speaker 4>she wasn't asked to leave. And then once she was gone,

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<v Speaker 4>the districts kind of just wiped their hands of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what I'd love to do, Heather, because this story,

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<v Speaker 2>this story has to stay alive, it has to continue.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to get to a bottom line on this.

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<v Speaker 2>If it be comes just the accepted norm that if

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<v Speaker 2>the school did everything that it sounds like they did,

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<v Speaker 2>they can just get away with that, then that's crazy

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<v Speaker 2>for society, it's crazy for these kids.

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<v Speaker 3>So why don't we do this?

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<v Speaker 2>Can we get you back on air sometime in the

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<v Speaker 2>next few days, talk about consequences, what the parents would

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<v Speaker 2>like to see. And in the meantime, what I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to do is like to try again to get mister

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<v Speaker 2>Christy on the show. We'll reach out to Ashley Thomas,

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<v Speaker 2>We'll dig into the law enforcement side of it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you Heather for being with us today and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll look forward to visiting with you again soon. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks so much, and thank you for shedding light on

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<v Speaker 2>parents and for every parent out there and every kid

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<v Speaker 3>So Heather, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, big breaking news about Mayor Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Johnston in Denver, You're on the Dan Kapla Show.

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<v Speaker 3>And now back to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>What you just heard Heather McCormick on our show courageously

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<v Speaker 2>speaking out Sean Boyd's tremendous piece on this these allegations

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<v Speaker 2>about Columbine, that you had a top administrator and others

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<v Speaker 2>working together to have a student declared homeless who had

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<v Speaker 2>a very solid, stable home with great parents, and this

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<v Speaker 2>student getting over twenty thousand text exchanges with a female

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<v Speaker 2>teacher who she then moves in with after she graduates,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody no disciplinary action we know of.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody's still sitting there with their jobs. What's going on here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, George Brockler, the DA first DA in the twenty third,

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<v Speaker 2>kind enough to join us, and George, I know you've

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<v Speaker 2>spoken publicly through social media a little bit about this,

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<v Speaker 2>So appreciate your take as a DA, as a parent, as.

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<v Speaker 3>A guy who who knows the world, But what's your

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<v Speaker 6>I shocking?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, this is shocking, shocking stuff. Not as shocking

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<v Speaker 5>that a teacher would try to groom a child, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 5>you and I have seen that a bunch over the years,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's offensive. But the role that administrators seem to

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<v Speaker 5>have played in trying to facilitate it, and the steps

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<v Speaker 5>that were taken. I mean, Sean Boyd's piece is explosive,

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<v Speaker 5>and Dan, two things are going on simultaneously, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>just like you. I mean, you've been in this game

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<v Speaker 5>so long that when people start telling you things, your

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<v Speaker 6>What are the lead?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, what's the liability, what's the duty, what's the

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<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Just start doing it.

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<v Speaker 5>When I watched the story from Sean Boyd and she

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<v Speaker 5>does such an incredible job, I'm like, hang on, hang on,

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<v Speaker 5>hang on, hang on. Maybe there's nothing here, but instantly

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<v Speaker 5>I want to know what federal forms were filled out

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<v Speaker 5>and were they forged? Was their misinformation placed on them?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, there's a kidnapping charge that.

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<v Speaker 5>Exist for kids under the age of eighteen when they

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<v Speaker 5>are taken to different places without the consent of their parents.

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<v Speaker 5>And there's some other words in there, but this feels

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<v Speaker 5>to me like something that at least ought to be

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<v Speaker 5>looked at. And if there's a crime there, all the

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<v Speaker 5>steps these other administrators take, arguably don't know that, it's

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<v Speaker 5>for sure, are conspiratorial. They're part of this whole thing,

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<v Speaker 5>whether they're accomplices or conspirators or both. It just feels

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<v Speaker 5>like there's something that needs to be done there. So

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<v Speaker 5>you know, again, Alexis King is a veteran prosecutor out there.

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<v Speaker 5>She has some great prosecutors that work for her that's

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<v Speaker 5>out in the first judicial district. It just seems to

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<v Speaker 5>me this is one of those things where someone wants

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<v Speaker 5>to ask, Hey, did you guys look into this right?

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<v Speaker 5>Did anybody bring you a filing? Did the sheriff's office,

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<v Speaker 5>who has combine, did they bring you a filing or what?

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<v Speaker 2>And what about a grand I don't know, Jurie, can

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<v Speaker 2>you speak to that, George. I know they're not that common,

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<v Speaker 2>but it seems like if anything's going to be important

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<v Speaker 2>enough to justify grand jury, it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 3>The safety of children in Jeff COO's schools. And when

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<v Speaker 3>you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Something like this, it's very much about this individual student,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's about all students. It's about what the standard is,

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<v Speaker 2>if this is the new norm, then I think people

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of great things going on in Jeffco's schools.

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<v Speaker 2>But if this is acceptable, then people need to think twice.

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<v Speaker 5>The grand jury and any jurisdiction that has an excess

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<v Speaker 6>When we were in the eighteenth we.

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<v Speaker 5>That grand jury exists for things where they're superpowers, and

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<v Speaker 5>the grand jury has superpowers, most of them subpoena powers,

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<v Speaker 5>whether it's for documents or testimony or both, where you

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<v Speaker 5>need that to get to some information in the truth.

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<v Speaker 5>And this is the kind of case where that could happen.

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<v Speaker 5>You can compel testimony. There is certain immunities that a

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<v Speaker 5>I don't want to talk about this because I think

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<v Speaker 5>it exposes me to criminal liability. And you can say

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<v Speaker 5>that's okay, I'm not looking at you for that, or

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not going to use this against you.

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<v Speaker 6>I want to get information on the other person.

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<v Speaker 5>This case, superficially to me, seems like it's built for

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<v Speaker 5>something like that, especially if the goal is to try

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<v Speaker 5>common practice or was this specific just to this individual kid?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, boy, George Brockler, our guest.

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<v Speaker 2>And the one thing seems absolutely clear there is no excuse,

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<v Speaker 2>no rationale whatsoever for not doing a full investigation, getting

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<v Speaker 2>to the absolute bottom of this, putting it out there

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<v Speaker 2>for the public to see, because at this point people

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<v Speaker 6>Oh my gosh, Dan, one hundred percent. I mean I

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<v Speaker 6>grew up in Jeffco.

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<v Speaker 5>Columbine was the next school down from where I graduated.

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<v Speaker 5>I graduated from Bear Creek. I can tell you if

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<v Speaker 5>would have framed. But you know, Jeffco has changed hands

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<v Speaker 5>here in terms of partisanship and politics, and I just

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<v Speaker 5>simply can't believe that there can't be appropriate pressure brought

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<v Speaker 5>on the school board to say you need to do

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<v Speaker 5>something here, and if you've done something and you came

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<v Speaker 5>to an answer, you've got to give that answer to

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<v Speaker 5>the public. This isn't one of those well we looked

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<v Speaker 6>Nothing to see here, that's not this moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and what we appear to know, George and I

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<v Speaker 2>may be wrong on some of this, but we appear

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<v Speaker 2>to know that mister is it Christy Is that his

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<v Speaker 2>name right in the middle of it, if I understand

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<v Speaker 2>the story correctly, is still in his position. My understanding

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<v Speaker 2>is nobody's lost their job over it. The teacher voluntarily

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<v Speaker 2>left after a deployment. How could that be? So it

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me that's the big issue right now. My

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<v Speaker 2>heart breaks for the parents and everything they suffered through,

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<v Speaker 2>But right now the issue is what is the standard

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<v Speaker 2>in Jeffco.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this the acceptable stand Jeffco?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's either yes or no to that, right because

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<v Speaker 2>if these people all still have their jobs and there

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<v Speaker 2>have been no major negative consequences, that's just the jeff

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<v Speaker 2>Goo School District saying, hey, every other teacher, every other administrator,

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<v Speaker 2>you can do this. This is acceptable, and if it's acceptable,

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<v Speaker 2>they won't have five students left in their schools.

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<v Speaker 5>Cool, you've hit the nail on the head, Dan. The

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<v Speaker 5>only two options here are either this was legal and

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<v Speaker 5>we need to now have a serious conversation about changing

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<v Speaker 5>the law or people moving on from that school district.

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<v Speaker 5>Or it was illegal and if it was illegal, there

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<v Speaker 5>has to be consequences. Yeah, this isn't a one off

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<v Speaker 5>shrug it off and be like, oh, well, you know

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<v Speaker 5>they're happy together now in southern California. That's just not

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<v Speaker 5>how this can play out. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to interrupt you there, George. But let

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<v Speaker 2>me ask you about this text, Dan, what if this

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<v Speaker 2>had been a male teacher and a female student out

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<v Speaker 2>that things would be handled differently. What's your immediate reaction

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<v Speaker 2>to that?

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<v Speaker 5>Not in the twenty third I can tell you that, right,

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, no, But I can tell you there is

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<v Speaker 5>a bias out there and it still persists, and it

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<v Speaker 5>even persists around some prosecutors too, And that is this

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<v Speaker 5>notion that somehow the standard is different one when it's

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<v Speaker 5>a female teacher. But I worry about the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>this has become one of these politically sensitive issues because

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<v Speaker 5>of the lesbian issue. Yeah, like Oh, well, you know

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<v Speaker 5>it's the sexuality.

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<v Speaker 3>Who cares.

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<v Speaker 5>You're talking about an innocent sixteen year old student and

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<v Speaker 5>a teacher. Any teacher that exploits their position for sexual

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<v Speaker 5>gratification or even romantic gratification, ought to be done in

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<v Speaker 5>That's it over.

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<v Speaker 2>Which goes to another text, And this comes from Abe,

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<v Speaker 2>who has always texts crazy stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the first one that's ever made any sense

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<v Speaker 3>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>It says Dan, I smell a bunch of liberal school employees,

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<v Speaker 2>excuse me, enabling an adolescent lesbian relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>That's abe suspicion. Do you share that?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but that text actually is right in line with

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<v Speaker 5>what you were just asking about in this way. Can

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<v Speaker 5>you imagine the same administrators facilitating this kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 5>If it was a male teacher, we'd all be like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh my god, are you crazy? But when it's a

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<v Speaker 5>woman teacher, and then a woman teacher and a woman's student,

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<v Speaker 5>people are like, well, you know, she's helping her explore

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<v Speaker 5>her sexuality. I read that somewhere and I thought, if

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<v Speaker 5>I ever hear of a teacher trying to help my

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<v Speaker 5>kids explore their sexuality, there's going to be a trial.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's going to be mine well, and this I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure this story should horrify people across all party lines

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<v Speaker 2>in Colorado.

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<v Speaker 3>But got to speak the truth as I see it.

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<v Speaker 2>And in so many different situations, I see the left

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<v Speaker 2>putting their politics, their ideology, their agenda ahead of the

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<v Speaker 2>interest of children in ways large and small. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>my spider sense as to what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 6>I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, depending upon how far back this goes, the

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<v Speaker 5>statue limitations has not expired, not even close, and I

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<v Speaker 5>mean even for the administrators, And so without indicting them

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<v Speaker 5>here on the radio, because I don't know and they're

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<v Speaker 5>presumed in us, we need to know wherever the truth

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<v Speaker 5>takes us.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to know.

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<v Speaker 5>We got to know. But the investigation can happen and

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<v Speaker 5>people can be brought to account, and that's the purpose

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<v Speaker 5>of this. If this is the way it seems to you,

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<v Speaker 5>to me, to the listeners, then it seems to me

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<v Speaker 5>this is the case where you go so over the

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<v Speaker 5>top hardcore and accountability, so that anyone that ever dreamed

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<v Speaker 5>of doing this would say not worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>Amen, and every parent, every child in the Jeffco School

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<v Speaker 2>District deserves an answer to this. I wish this was

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<v Speaker 2>in the twenty third it's not, but we'll try to

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<v Speaker 2>get the DA Alexis King on and have her comment

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<v Speaker 2>on this as well. But George really appreciate your expertise

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<v Speaker 2>and look forward to the next one.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we'll talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, my friend. That is George Bronckler. What a

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<v Speaker 2>tremendous resource. Eight five five four zero five eight two

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<v Speaker 2>five five the number text d an five seven seven

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<v Speaker 2>three nine your thoughts on this and I think a

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<v Speaker 2>very very important story about Mayor Mike Johnston. Have it

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<v Speaker 2>for you after the break you're on the Dan Kaplas show.

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<v Speaker 2>Enormously important story. This one brand new. When Ryan sent

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<v Speaker 2>it to me today, I couldn't believe it. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>it was April Fole's Day or something. But I can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait to get into it with you and what it

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<v Speaker 2>means in my opinion, which is a lot not my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Who cares about that, right? I hope you care about

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<v Speaker 2>my logic and facts and reasoning. But the point is,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this story tells us a lot about the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of trouble that Mayor Mike Johnston thinks he's in.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen to that, Denver seven package.

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<v Speaker 3>Please have it.

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<v Speaker 7>The City of Denver is bracing for a fight in Washington,

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<v Speaker 7>and to prepare the mayor, City Council approved a two

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<v Speaker 7>million dollar contract with an elite law firm, Covington and Burling, LLP.

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<v Speaker 7>Says they will perform services for the city at a

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<v Speaker 7>discounted rate of one thousand dollars per hour, including preparation

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<v Speaker 7>in advance of the hearing and initial work related to

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<v Speaker 7>document and review. March fifth, Mayor Mike Johnston is being

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<v Speaker 7>asked to go to DC to defend Denver's immigration policies

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<v Speaker 7>by the US House Committee on Government Reform city policies

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<v Speaker 7>that were adopted back in twenty sixteen under then Mayor

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<v Speaker 7>Michael Hancock. Council members approved the funding in a block

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<v Speaker 7>vote along with other bills last night. The only council

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<v Speaker 7>member to comment with Sarah Parity. She spoke about the

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<v Speaker 7>possible need to expand support of the Denver Immigrant Legal Services.

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<v Speaker 8>Fund really for reasons that are at their heart similar

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<v Speaker 8>to why we're approving this legal bill for this DC

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<v Speaker 8>law firm today, which is that we're going to continue

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<v Speaker 8>to defend our entirely legal local policies, not to do

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<v Speaker 8>the dirty work of deportation for the federal government, and

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<v Speaker 8>not to ignore the overarching international human rights law that

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<v Speaker 8>says that when people are fleeing really of businal circumstances,

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<v Speaker 8>they have a right to claim asylum.

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<v Speaker 7>Part of the contract between the law firm and the

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<v Speaker 7>city states quote the parties mutually agree that investigative activity

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<v Speaker 7>is likely to continue following this hearing, and that city

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<v Speaker 7>Council may be asked to approve war funding beyond the

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<v Speaker 7>two million dollars already approved. So we have questions today

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<v Speaker 7>for the Mayor and City Attorney about the necessity for

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<v Speaker 7>such an expenditure at taxpayer expense for hearing that is,

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<v Speaker 7>by all accounts optional. In a statement, the city attorney's

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<v Speaker 7>office said, quote, this legal council allows the City of

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<v Speaker 7>Denver's leadership to focus on delivering the high quality services

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<v Speaker 7>residents expect and deserve while navigating complex legal matters, including

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<v Speaker 7>federal government actions.

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<v Speaker 3>Context here.

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<v Speaker 7>Denver has never officially called itself a sanctuary city. It

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<v Speaker 7>was given that title during Trump's first administration in twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 7>His administration asked for so called sanctuary cities like Denver

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<v Speaker 7>to help ices crack down on immigration. In response, than

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<v Speaker 7>Mayor Michael Hancock signed and executive order directing city agencies

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<v Speaker 7>to help immigrants living in the country illegally and to

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<v Speaker 7>set up a legal defense fund. In the order, Hancock

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<v Speaker 7>called Denver a safe and welcoming city, but never used

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<v Speaker 7>the word sanctuary enough.

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<v Speaker 2>For that nonsense. First of all, sanctuary city for Denver.

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<v Speaker 2>That term but began long, long, long before anybody ever

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<v Speaker 2>thought of Donald Trump running for president. So that part

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<v Speaker 2>of the story is just completely inaccurate. And it's so

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to me because great story, the first part, but

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<v Speaker 2>then apparently launching into this defense.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the mayor. Let me give you my take on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is my opinion as a guy who's practiced

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<v Speaker 2>law for forty years.

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<v Speaker 3>Take it or leave it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's right or wrong, but I

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<v Speaker 2>obviously believe it's correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Two million dollars right, and this is they made it.

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<v Speaker 2>Clear this is a first installment, right, because that statement

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<v Speaker 2>you heard, Red, Hey, this investigation may continue, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>Two million dollars at a.

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<v Speaker 2>Discounted rate of one thousand dollars an hour. Well, by

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<v Speaker 2>my math, Ryan, that's two thousand hours, right, Yep. Two thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>thousand equals two millions, so two thousand hours. So is

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<v Speaker 2>somebody trying to suggest to you that it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>take two thousand hours of Washington DC attorney time to

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<v Speaker 2>protect Mayor Johnston, to prepare and protect Mayor Johnston at

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<v Speaker 2>this hearing? Well do the math right? My constitutionally protected

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<v Speaker 2>opinion is this has something to do with the hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>but mostly this has to do with Mike Johnston and

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<v Speaker 2>others in power and den are trying to protect themselves

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<v Speaker 2>from criminal prosecution. I'm not telling you that Mike Johnston

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<v Speaker 2>has committed any crime. I don't know if he has

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<v Speaker 2>or not, but this tells me he's worried about whether

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<v Speaker 2>he has that he now at this time, Ryan, have

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<v Speaker 2>you called nine to one one in Denver lately and

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<v Speaker 2>the people working there do a great job, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can call now and get a recorded message sometimes because

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<v Speaker 2>the city has so little money, and Mike Johnson's going

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<v Speaker 2>to spend, for starters two million of taxpayer money on

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<v Speaker 2>lawyers to advise Mike Johnston, and not just any lawyers.

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<v Speaker 2>According to this Denver Right piece I'm reading, Mike Johnston

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<v Speaker 2>has decided to hire Dana Remis. I think it's pronounced

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<v Speaker 2>ori em us. Previously, the story says the White House

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<v Speaker 2>counsel for President Joe Biden, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Diamond Mike, right, I nicknamed him that a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 3>When it comes to your money, Hey, Diamond.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike's a big spender. So he's not going to some

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<v Speaker 2>great Denver law firm. And you have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>great Denver law firms who do that kind of work.

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<v Speaker 2>I do catastrophic injury. There are others who do that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of work, you know, criminal and government, et cetera. No,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going straight to Joe Biden's former White House Council

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<v Speaker 2>because when Diamond Mike's in trouble, hey, money's no object, right,

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<v Speaker 2>as long as it's your money eight five five for

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<v Speaker 2>zero five eight two five five texts d An five

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<v Speaker 2>seven seven three nine.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my take on it, Ryan.

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<v Speaker 2>He is concerned that he may have violated the law,

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<v Speaker 2>and he may be continuing to violate the law.

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<v Speaker 3>I think is his concern.

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<v Speaker 2>I think city council members, other in others in charge

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<v Speaker 2>there are worried about the same thing, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're worried about potential prosecution.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you nailed it and these were sanctuary cities

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<v Speaker 5>until they weren't.

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<v Speaker 3>Democrats were once very proud of that term.

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<v Speaker 5>Dan shouted it from the mountaintops.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's still a sanctuary state thanks to Jared Polus

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<v Speaker 2>and the rest of these left he So, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to come down and get your reaction to this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Break it down in more detailed text. Does d An

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<v Speaker 2>seven three nine thousand bucks an hour? You're on the

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Kapla Show.