Speaker 1: Okay, guys, welcome back to Let's Get Freaky Podcasts. I
Speaker 1: am super excited to welcome our guests tonight. We are
Speaker 1: joined by Chris Matthew from the Forbidden Knowledge News podcast,
Speaker 1: and I'm very excited to have him here. Man, thank
Speaker 1: you very much for coming. How are you, sir?
Speaker 2: Hey, Tommy, thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about this. Love your podcast and I'm
Speaker 2: ready to get freaky. Man.
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm loving your podcast, man, I mean
Speaker 1: it's awesome, very interesting Forbidden Knowledge News. For anyone that
Speaker 1: doesn't know hasn't heard your podcast yet, can you give
Speaker 1: us a description of what it is?
Speaker 2: Sure? I cover everything from paranormal the occult, conspiracies, hidden history, spirituality,
Speaker 2: even alternative health. I cover a gamut of topics that
Speaker 2: aren't regularly discussed in the mainstream and if it is
Speaker 2: I will most likely go much deeper than anything you've
Speaker 2: heard from most of the mainstream sources. So that's Forbidden
Speaker 2: Knowledge News. I'm also a filmmaker. I just have my
Speaker 2: second film put out Doors of Perception. Really excited because
Speaker 2: it just got picked up by Amazon, so we're looking
Speaker 2: forward to that. And yeah, that's what we do.
Speaker 1: Awesome, man, Well, I'm loving your shit. It's super interesting, man,
Speaker 1: it really is. How long have you been doing the
Speaker 1: podcast for?
Speaker 2: Oh, the podcast has been about almost nine years now. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it started about two thousand and sixteen, twenty fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 2: and it started as a YouTube channel, actually started as
Speaker 2: a Facebook blog, but then kind of gravitated towards the
Speaker 2: YouTube channel and became a podcast in early like twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: And when we've been trucking since then.
Speaker 1: Wow, man, you're like the OG, one of the one
Speaker 1: of the first.
Speaker 2: I've been around a little while, a little while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome. It's so weird when people say twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: because that doesn't seem like that long ago.
Speaker 2: It was nice happened in that time.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. The world has completely changed since then,
Speaker 1: for sure, one hundred percent. So whereabouts you based?
Speaker 2: I'm in northern Colorado, United States?
Speaker 1: Nice?
Speaker 2: Nice, Yeah, I'd moved out here a few years ago.
Speaker 2: I was born and raised in South Louisiana, lived there
Speaker 2: for most of my life, and with Florida a little while,
Speaker 2: went back to Louisiana, and about four years ago came
Speaker 2: out to Colorado. Or something just called me out here,
Speaker 2: and I've been here ever since, haven't it?
Speaker 1: Oh awesome?
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I do feel like that that happens, Like certain places
Speaker 1: we just get drawn to for some reason. I feel
Speaker 1: like there's something to that. I certainly feel that. I
Speaker 1: feel like where I've moved to in the UK, I
Speaker 1: felt like it was drawn there. Now I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm looking at America and I would love to get
Speaker 1: over to America. I think that is the goal in
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, come on out, I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man. So what got you into these world subjects
Speaker 1: that we look into.
Speaker 2: Oh, since the early age, I've been into paranormal mysteries,
Speaker 2: strange happenings. I've never really at least growing up, I
Speaker 2: never had any which you'd call paranormal experiences that I
Speaker 2: can really remember. Always had a great interest in it.
Speaker 2: But by the time I hit my late teens, sex,
Speaker 2: drugs and rock and roll kind of took over my
Speaker 2: life and I just kind of fell into the rhythm
Speaker 2: of everything, and after in my twenties, just got your
Speaker 2: regular joe job, a corporate job, and just kind of
Speaker 2: forgot about the mystical side of reality and those I
Speaker 2: was always interested in paranormal but really wasn't looking into anything,
Speaker 2: didn't really do any research into anything until about twenty twelve, well,
Speaker 2: when I was going through a bit of a bad patch,
Speaker 2: a rough divorce and in the middle of a job
Speaker 2: that I really wasn't happy with, and I just needed
Speaker 2: to do something. I needed to find something else, and
Speaker 2: so I just started reading books that I used to
Speaker 2: be interested in, and then started looking at YouTube videos,
Speaker 2: and back then that was the golden age of YouTube,
Speaker 2: where you could find any topics. Nothing was really censored
Speaker 2: like it is now, and you could find some really
Speaker 2: interesting things. And that led to the discovery of more topics,
Speaker 2: more authors and researchers and books, and I just really
Speaker 2: got engrossed in these topics and I started doing a
Speaker 2: Facebook blog, like I said, at about like twenty thirteen
Speaker 2: or fourteen, And as I was researching, i'd go and
Speaker 2: blog about the things I was talking about, and my
Speaker 2: family thought I was crazy. Everybody at work thought I
Speaker 2: was crazy, especially around this time and South Louisiana. It's
Speaker 2: not something that you can easily talk with folks about.
Speaker 2: So that's why I've started the Facebook blog, so I
Speaker 2: could maybe reach out to others that might be interested,
Speaker 2: and they were. You know, it became a thing. It
Speaker 2: became pretty popular. So that's when I transitioned to the
Speaker 2: YouTube and I thought, ma'am, I gotta interview people. I
Speaker 2: gotta talk to people who know more about these things
Speaker 2: than I do and really share some information with people.
Speaker 2: And that's what I started doing, and blessed enough to
Speaker 2: have some really great guests even in the beginning that were,
Speaker 2: you know, nice enough and kind enough to come on
Speaker 2: the show. And that's where it really all evolved.
Speaker 1: From awesome, man, that's awesome. It is once you start
Speaker 1: going down these rabbit holes and there they're never ending.
Speaker 1: To be honest, I feel like for me anyway, you
Speaker 1: go down one rabbit hole and there's another ten.
Speaker 2: And then there's like where do I go now?
Speaker 1: But once you there's no going back to see the
Speaker 1: world in that way, everything changes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have. The more I learned, the more questions
Speaker 2: I have, And it's just like you said, it's like
Speaker 2: a never ending onion that trying to peel through and
Speaker 2: understand these things. But I'm blessed to be able to
Speaker 2: do this as a career and make a living from it.
Speaker 2: And that was something completely separate from just starting this
Speaker 2: show because it was a hobby, it was fun. I
Speaker 2: never expected for it to really turn into anything like
Speaker 2: it is now. But I owe that to a very
Speaker 2: significant what i'd call spiritual encounter contact experience, and that
Speaker 2: really changed everything for me interest in mine.
Speaker 1: Can we hear what happened now?
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah? Yeah, so it was this event happened in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. The podcast was going for a few years
Speaker 2: and it was gaining a little bit of traction and popularity.
Speaker 2: I was not yet able to really make any revenue
Speaker 2: from it or any type of living, but it was
Speaker 2: a really fun hobby and I was very passionate about it,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of consuming my life because it
Speaker 2: was so interesting and fun doing these like you know,
Speaker 2: coming home from work a few times a week and
Speaker 2: jumping on with one of my favorite authors or researchers
Speaker 2: and talking about these crazy experiences or people who've had
Speaker 2: paranormal encounters and experiencers and stuff, and those are some
Speaker 2: of my favorite shows as well. But I wasn't I
Speaker 2: didn't know how to make that translate that into any
Speaker 2: type of career, and it really didn't come across my radar.
Speaker 2: I just thought it would always be a fun hobby
Speaker 2: that I'd do when i'd come home from my shitty job.
Speaker 2: And at the time, I was really not happy with
Speaker 2: my job. It was a corporate sales job, and I
Speaker 2: was making decent money and comfortable enough, but I just
Speaker 2: wasn't happy doing what I was doing. It was kind
Speaker 2: of soul sucking work. So this one evening, I was
Speaker 2: yet again not in the best frame of mind. I was,
Speaker 2: you know, happy doing the show, but everything else in
Speaker 2: my life really wasn't going where I wanted it to go. Again,
Speaker 2: coming out of another bad relationship, didn't know where the
Speaker 2: hell did go. So I'm like, I've been doing a
Speaker 2: lot of spiritual shows at that time about meditation, and
Speaker 2: I figured, you know what, I've been talking about this
Speaker 2: a lot, maybe I should try meditation. And I had
Speaker 2: tried it for a few times, and you know, not
Speaker 2: really much success. Had a very busy mind. But this
Speaker 2: one evening, it was early twenty twenty. It started out
Speaker 2: I was out in my yard and talking to a
Speaker 2: neighbor and I'm not even sure if what happened right
Speaker 2: then had anything to do with the events that transpired
Speaker 2: later that evening, but I looked up and I saw
Speaker 2: what looked to be like three bright orange flames in
Speaker 2: a triangular formation, just slowly moving up in the sky.
Speaker 2: And I'm looking at it, and I'm saying, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get my neighbor's attention to look at it,
Speaker 2: but he's talking and it's like he's oblivious to it.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, these flames just kind of
Speaker 2: slowly rise and boop, they like blip out of existence.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's pretty interesting. I don't have
Speaker 2: no idea what it was, if it was a UFO
Speaker 2: military whatever, I'll just file that in the interesting category.
Speaker 2: And I just moved on with the evening and I
Speaker 2: decided I was going to try and do some meditation.
Speaker 2: And that week I had been getting some tips from
Speaker 2: people about how to successfully get into a meditative state
Speaker 2: involved some four point thirty two Hurtz tones and a
Speaker 2: few other breathing techniques, and this time I was actually
Speaker 2: able to get into a very peaceful state of mind
Speaker 2: and to a very still state where it was nothing
Speaker 2: but peaceful, dark weakness, and it was amazing, and I
Speaker 2: really was able to clear a lot of the thoughts
Speaker 2: out of my mind and as I was at my clearest,
Speaker 2: I felt this like sensation of love is the only
Speaker 2: thing I could describe. And as this sensation was building
Speaker 2: inside of me, this blue bright light was kind of
Speaker 2: emanating and getting brighter in my subconscious vision. And as
Speaker 2: the brighter it got, the more this amazing feeling of
Speaker 2: love I felt. And it was beyond any kind of
Speaker 2: feeling of love. I knew it was love because it
Speaker 2: was it was just that feeling, but it was so strong.
Speaker 2: It's almost like I was intoxicated or drugged by something.
Speaker 2: And it was incredible. And then there's this communication in
Speaker 2: my head or you know. It was like something was
Speaker 2: speaking to me, and I know it wasn't me. I
Speaker 2: was you know, I know what I'm talking to myself.
Speaker 2: This was something else and I could immediately tell. And
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, are you ready to have a conversation?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what the hell is? I thought I
Speaker 2: was going crazy. I was raised Catholic, so I like
Speaker 2: reverted to this a little dog men fear, and I
Speaker 2: was like, in the name of Jesus Christ, are you good?
Speaker 2: Or I thought I was being possessed by demons or something.
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I heard some crazy stuff about people meditating,
Speaker 2: like from growing up Catholic, from you know, religious dog men,
Speaker 2: crazy people. But so I was kind of terrified hearing
Speaker 2: this voice talking in my head. And it's immediately before
Speaker 2: I could even finish asking if it was good or not,
Speaker 2: It's like it's was laughing and beaming these feelings of
Speaker 2: love and saying of course I am, and it kind
Speaker 2: of the communication was instantaneous and it was like immediate understanding.
Speaker 2: It wasn't really words, it was like just a knowing
Speaker 2: of what was being conveyed. And you know, this whatever
Speaker 2: this intelligence was laughing and saying no, I'm I've been
Speaker 2: with you your whole life, you just have and we
Speaker 2: haven't spoken yet. And I was like, okay, so let's talk.
Speaker 2: I guess. And I didn't realize it, but I was
Speaker 2: sitting up, My eyes were open. I had popped out
Speaker 2: of the meditatives like my laying down in bed, and
Speaker 2: I was almost standing up because I was so shocked
Speaker 2: by this kind of voice appearing and it was still communicating.
Speaker 2: I wasn't really meditating anymore, but it was there, and
Speaker 2: I was like, this is crazy. But I was like,
Speaker 2: this is you know, a very efficient way to communicate
Speaker 2: was like I wish I could talk to everybody like
Speaker 2: this and this intelligence precise, Like can I call you something?
Speaker 2: Do you have a name? It's like, we're not going
Speaker 2: to go there, probably wouldn't pronounce it anyway. It doesn't
Speaker 2: really matter. Just call me what you want. So for
Speaker 2: some reason, the name Laird popped into my head. I
Speaker 2: used to have a I had a cousin growing up
Speaker 2: name Laired, a name I was familiar with. It was different,
Speaker 2: and it just popped in my head. I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna call you Layered. It's like good enough.
Speaker 2: So it continues to say that it's time for me
Speaker 2: to have a discussion. I'm ready to understand some things
Speaker 2: about my life here, about my incarnation, my journey. And
Speaker 2: it was the beginning of twenty twenty and it said,
Speaker 2: first of all, things in the world are about to
Speaker 2: change dramatically and you're about to witness some crazy things unfold.
Speaker 2: You know, have no fear things. This is something like
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be happening this way. This is something
Speaker 2: that's necessary. And I was like okay, and then it
Speaker 2: said we have to do some healing for you have
Speaker 2: to do some trauma healing. You have to heal childhood trauma.
Speaker 2: You have to stop getting in these bad relationships. A
Speaker 2: lot of things I had to do with, you know,
Speaker 2: healing my mental and emotional situation and because I'm more
Speaker 2: spiritually advanced in certain ways, but that the only way
Speaker 2: to get there, this voice conveyed was to do a
Speaker 2: lot of therapeutic work and self healing. And I found
Speaker 2: that very interesting that this voice was telling me. That
Speaker 2: also said that I needed to quit this job and
Speaker 2: do what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: am I supposed to be doing? They're like, you're already
Speaker 2: doing it, but you need to quit your job and
Speaker 2: continue doing it. And I was like, that's crazy. You know,
Speaker 2: there's no way I could do that right now. And
Speaker 2: it also conveyed that to assist in my journey and
Speaker 2: gain more insights about myself and to fast track my
Speaker 2: healing process, to utilize psilocybin mushrooms. Now this sounds crazy,
Speaker 2: but the last time I had ever done psychedelics was
Speaker 2: I don't know, in my early twenties. I in my
Speaker 2: forties now, and it was not on my radar. I'd
Speaker 2: never in the last time I've done mushrooms. It was
Speaker 2: a terrifying experience. I never thought I'd ever do that again.
Speaker 2: But this voice was like, if you want to fast
Speaker 2: track things, have a more open communication, easier communication with me.
Speaker 2: You can utilize magic mushrooms and it will help you.
Speaker 2: So I again filed that in the interesting and this
Speaker 2: whole time, I'm like, you know, am I having an
Speaker 2: acid flashback? Am I going crazy? What the hell is
Speaker 2: going on right now? And it continued to tell me about,
Speaker 2: you know, things were going to how things were going
Speaker 2: to unfold, not exact things, but things were going to
Speaker 2: be difficult, and there's the world is going to face
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of tribulations. But I was
Speaker 2: supposed to remain steadfast with what I was doing. And
Speaker 2: it gave me some advice on how to begin that
Speaker 2: process of healing and things that I should be starting
Speaker 2: to look at in a spiritual sense. And this conversation
Speaker 2: went on for like, I think, a couple of hours,
Speaker 2: but the communication eventually just faded to where I couldn't
Speaker 2: really understand and it wasn't coming through anymore. So after that,
Speaker 2: I was just calling a bunch of people, I know, researchers,
Speaker 2: people that are in this space, Like, what the hell
Speaker 2: just happened to me? I have no idea was an
Speaker 2: alien communicating with me. I don't know. I have a
Speaker 2: different understanding now. But time went on a few days
Speaker 2: and I was just like, I have to experience this again.
Speaker 2: It's the only way that I'll really be able to
Speaker 2: move on and believe it. So I tried a couple
Speaker 2: of nights in a row. Meditation didn't work, but one evening,
Speaker 2: something intuitively told me to get in water. So I
Speaker 2: got into Batha and this experience was extremely powerful. I
Speaker 2: was able to get into that state really quick and laired.
Speaker 2: The voice showed up and got to talk in a bit,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, I was brought into this
Speaker 2: vision of an experience that I had when I was
Speaker 2: a kid that was extremely traumatic for me, and I
Speaker 2: didn't remember about it until then. And you know, I
Speaker 2: came out of that and I was like, Dann's that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I was pretty emotional and it was a traumatic experience.
Speaker 2: I was a little worked up, and you know, layered
Speaker 2: proceeded to just keep talking to me, and I eventually became,
Speaker 2: you know curious again about what what are you? What
Speaker 2: do you know what, Please tell me more about what
Speaker 2: you are. He said. What I could tell you right
Speaker 2: now is something along the lines of our kind finds
Speaker 2: those that are ready to receive Christ consciousness awareness and
Speaker 2: we spread this. And again I thought that was extremely interesting,
Speaker 2: not sure what it meant. And then I was sort
Speaker 2: of brought into this other vision where it looked like
Speaker 2: I was staring out into space, but I was on
Speaker 2: the Only thing I can say is like a space man.
Speaker 2: I was like I was on a spaceship. I was
Speaker 2: looking out these windows. But also I opened my eyes
Speaker 2: from the meditative state, and I'm just in my bathroom
Speaker 2: because I've kind of freaked out. I'm like, am I
Speaker 2: really on a spaceship? But I opened my eyes. Nope,
Speaker 2: I'm in my bathroom. But I close my eyes again
Speaker 2: and it's all still there. I'm in this other space.
Speaker 2: When I close my eyes, there's and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: these beings start to manifest in front of me, and
Speaker 2: they are all like translucent, hooded humanoids, but they were
Speaker 2: animal hybrid humanoids. Some of them looked like dogs, cats.
Speaker 2: They had a frog hybrid human that was mainly speaking
Speaker 2: to me, and they were beaming these like amazing feelings
Speaker 2: of love. They proceeded to ask if I was ready
Speaker 2: to fulfill my I believe this is what they said,
Speaker 2: my mission for this in carnation on this planet. It's
Speaker 2: time for me to step into that role. And I
Speaker 2: was like, yes, I'm ready, and it was like in
Speaker 2: a crazy emotional moment, and again they're giving me more
Speaker 2: information about how to proceed with everything. And it was
Speaker 2: the most insane experience of my life until that point,
Speaker 2: and it really changed everything for me. Within six months,
Speaker 2: I quit my job. I took out my four oh
Speaker 2: one K I quit my job and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm trusting in these crazy, weird beings that
Speaker 2: appeared to me, and I'm gonna do this. So I
Speaker 2: moved out to Colorado. My producer he was going out there,
Speaker 2: so we moved out and we started to just pump
Speaker 2: out content and start this podcast network. And for the
Speaker 2: first couple of years it was terrifying. The money was
Speaker 2: going very fast, and one day we just look at
Speaker 2: the revenue and it's like, holy shit, we can pay
Speaker 2: rent this mon and it just keep getting better. Wow,
Speaker 2: we can pay rent and eat this month and things
Speaker 2: just continue to get better. But around the same time period.
Speaker 2: I lived in Colorado and magic mushrooms had become legal
Speaker 2: to grow at that time, so I said, you know what,
Speaker 2: let me do this too. I started growing magic mushrooms.
Speaker 2: Within a few months, I had nice batches, and I
Speaker 2: proceeded to go through these vision quest healing journeys, and
Speaker 2: in the beginning it was absolutely terrifying. I would have
Speaker 2: very very profound but terrifying experiences, learning experiences, and the
Speaker 2: more terrifying there were, the more healing they were. And
Speaker 2: I believe, you know, if I'd come across like an
Speaker 2: entity or a demon or something in these visions that
Speaker 2: I have during these psychedelic states, it was like it
Speaker 2: would represent a certain trauma or something that need to
Speaker 2: be healed within myself, and I went I would face
Speaker 2: that through that experience. It was a profoundly healing experience.
Speaker 2: And not only that, my guide layered would show up
Speaker 2: and kind of guide me through these psychedelic healing teaching experiences.
Speaker 2: And I'd go in there with you know, very high
Speaker 2: doses about four or five grams about once a month,
Speaker 2: and just go in and learn and heal and have
Speaker 2: these very profound experiences and encounters with intelligences, and some
Speaker 2: of them, not all of them, were benevolent. Many of
Speaker 2: them I was put in front of to learn and
Speaker 2: experience things and learn what not to interact with. And
Speaker 2: I believe that during those states, we are accessing different
Speaker 2: levels of perception that we can't normally access. I believe
Speaker 2: it opens a door to different communication and energies and entities.
Speaker 2: And I had such profound experiences with this, and it
Speaker 2: really led to what I'm doing with the films now
Speaker 2: and the understandings that I had. I had some insane experiences,
Speaker 2: which if you want to hear about some of those, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can touch on them.
Speaker 1: I got me.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the most profound ones that I would
Speaker 2: consider possibly paranormal in nature. And I don't do the
Speaker 2: mushrooms anymore. I had stopped doing them about a year
Speaker 2: ago because I believe that I got what I needed
Speaker 2: from them. I got the message and I hung up
Speaker 2: the phone. And the very last experience I had was
Speaker 2: so extremely profound that it was just like, that's it,
Speaker 2: this is all I need. And it provided so many
Speaker 2: answers for me. And it wasn't just a visionary sense,
Speaker 2: it wasn't just something that happened to me through the
Speaker 2: psychedelic you know, subconscious where I was having a vision.
Speaker 2: That was part of it, but it also brought me
Speaker 2: physically somewhere so extremely meaningful and special. That was so unexpected.
Speaker 2: And the synchronicity surrounding everything in that event, we're so profound.
Speaker 2: I had to acknowledge the existence of a higher power
Speaker 2: and something involved in my life. So that's my journey
Speaker 2: in a nutshell and really how everything transpired.
Speaker 1: Wow, man, well I've got I've got a lot of questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lay on me.
Speaker 1: That is that? I mean wow? Firstly, incredible stuff man.
Speaker 1: That that first time that you saw so you saw
Speaker 1: the lights first, that sort of shot up and disappeared,
Speaker 1: And that may have been a separate experience, but it
Speaker 1: does seem like it's connected because you had that experience
Speaker 1: the same night as well as that you saw you
Speaker 1: met Jared. That is the right name of it, Jared.
Speaker 2: No, it's layered.
Speaker 1: Oh lad, Sorry Lad? Not the night you connected with
Speaker 1: Laird for the first time as well. Had you had
Speaker 1: any experience anything like that before that moment?
Speaker 2: No, negatory, I've had, you know, some strange synchronicities. I
Speaker 2: think that my life was saved by unknown forces many
Speaker 2: times when I was doing stupid things growing up. But
Speaker 2: other than that, you know, I've never experienced anything like that.
Speaker 2: So are you?
Speaker 1: Are you still talking to Laird now? Can you still community?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's now. It's just like anytime, every day, all day.
Speaker 2: Because I realized what Laired was. Uh Laired is, from
Speaker 2: my understanding, is my higher self. It is that subconscious
Speaker 2: voice that guides you throughout your life, that says, hey,
Speaker 2: maybe you shouldn't do that, Hey put that down, stupid,
Speaker 2: Hey stop messing with it. You know, these this kind
Speaker 2: of guide that warns you and tells you good advice.
Speaker 2: Not the voice that tells you your piece of shit
Speaker 2: or to go and murder and kill someone. No, that's
Speaker 2: not the one you listen to. But the good one.
Speaker 2: I realized, and I'm connected that that's what it was.
Speaker 2: But it separated itself in a way so that it
Speaker 2: could communicate with me, and I believe many people experience this.
Speaker 2: It's just a part of my subconscious whether you want
Speaker 2: to call it the spirit, guide, higher self, angel, whatever,
Speaker 2: that's what I understand it to be. And I can
Speaker 2: just access at any time and it'll reach out at
Speaker 2: any time when there's something important for me to understand.
Speaker 1: So it's like it's kind of like a feeling, would
Speaker 1: you say, And I know.
Speaker 2: It's the feeling like anytime you've had that little voice
Speaker 2: in your head that's, you know, telling you something positive
Speaker 2: or warning you against something doing stupid. I believe that
Speaker 2: that's what that is. But it presented itself to me
Speaker 2: in a different way through those experiences.
Speaker 1: Interesting man.
Speaker 2: Interesting, yeah, but now it's just like the same thing.
Speaker 2: I just understand it to be that. So there's really
Speaker 2: no separation.
Speaker 1: So if you wanted to to communicate now with that
Speaker 1: part of yourself, you can, well yeah, oh, definitely, interesting man.
Speaker 2: But it's not like I'm channeling anything or it's giving
Speaker 2: me profound information at all times. It just shows up
Speaker 2: when it needs to if I need to ask it
Speaker 2: a question about something. And it's not like I could
Speaker 2: ask it a question about anything in the world. It
Speaker 2: has to pertain with my life and things that I'm
Speaker 2: dealing with personally because it's my guide, so you know.
Speaker 2: But yes, I can really access at anytime.
Speaker 1: Can I You don't have to answer it, but can
Speaker 1: I ask you what happened that that last experience on mushrooms.
Speaker 1: That happened that you don't need to do this anymore.
Speaker 1: What happened there? Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this experience was it's so profound. It took me, like,
Speaker 2: oh gosh, a couple of months to really integrate everything
Speaker 2: and get over it. It happened this past last May
Speaker 2: the fourth, May the fourth be with you all, yes,
Speaker 2: And it was so crazy. It was It was a
Speaker 2: day like any other. Now, this day was also the
Speaker 2: day I was planning on having a mushroom experience, and
Speaker 2: it was my monthly journey. But earlier that day, my
Speaker 2: wife had said, Hey, let's go to a metaphysical fair
Speaker 2: and see, you know, check it out. Those things are
Speaker 2: usually fun. For some reason, I woke up that morning
Speaker 2: just with a feeling of dread and doom and I
Speaker 2: didn't know why, and I didn't want to go to
Speaker 2: this place, but I said screw it anyway, and we
Speaker 2: just went. And I just the closer we got to
Speaker 2: this place, the more knots I had in my stomach,
Speaker 2: the more sick I felt. And I just had this
Speaker 2: uneasy feeling. I didn't know why. So I turn on
Speaker 2: the radio and every song that comes on is the
Speaker 2: most depressing sad song, and I can't get away, Like,
Speaker 2: what the hell is going on? I'm not telling Jennifer
Speaker 2: anybody about this. I'm like that, I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm going nuts today, who knows. So we get to
Speaker 2: the place and I'm almost crawling out of my skin.
Speaker 2: I'm so anxious and just feeling uneasy. We're walking around
Speaker 2: and she's pointing out stuff and I'm like, yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: And we get to this one booth where this nice
Speaker 2: lady is doing what's called aura photography. Now I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if it's legit or not. She claims to through
Speaker 2: these photos. They show these bright lights around people, and
Speaker 2: she claims that's their aura. She's able to read them
Speaker 2: and say what the colors mean and things like that.
Speaker 2: I've heard some people say that this photography doesn't really
Speaker 2: do that and those are shysters. Whatever. During this experience,
Speaker 2: it was very It kind of had a synchronistic feel
Speaker 2: to it, and it puts some things together. So when
Speaker 2: we wait up to this booth lady taking the orror photography,
Speaker 2: my wife says, hey, why don't you get an aura photograph?
Speaker 2: And now I really didn't want to, but I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's do it. So I go sit down. She takes
Speaker 2: the picture, and while waiting for it to develop, I'm
Speaker 2: looking at everybody's and they've got these, you know, beautiful
Speaker 2: colors around them. And mine comes out and it doesn't
Speaker 2: look like anybody else's that I see on the table.
Speaker 2: It's got like a rainbow. It's like yellow, red, blue, green,
Speaker 2: and all this crazy stuff. And she looks at it.
Speaker 2: She goes, oh, you've got a lot going on. I said,
Speaker 2: it looks like it. And she's telling me what she
Speaker 2: sees in each color and she's like, oh, you're your
Speaker 2: throat chakra and the aura around that is very powerful.
Speaker 2: You use your voice for something. I'm like, hey, that's
Speaker 2: spot on. And my producer, Corey was he came there
Speaker 2: with us and he was there for shits and giggles
Speaker 2: because he's not a spiritual guy. He doesn't believe in
Speaker 2: the par normal, doesn't belie even any of that. He's
Speaker 2: a JFK researcher. And he just comes up and he's
Speaker 2: kind of giggling. He's like, so, how rich is he
Speaker 2: going to be? And she's like, well, I don't know,
Speaker 2: because he doesn't have any specific beliefs he's scattered, and
Speaker 2: I was like, what does that mean? And I was thinking, wait,
Speaker 2: she's kind of right. I don't really, you know, have
Speaker 2: any real spiritual beliefs. I have considerations and curiosities, but
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what lies on the other side. At
Speaker 2: that point, I didn't really know if there was a god,
Speaker 2: if this is a simulation, what the hell we're in,
Speaker 2: if we're created by aliens, or what. I was considering
Speaker 2: it at all, and you know, I'd left there and
Speaker 2: kind of like but hurt by what she said. I
Speaker 2: didn't really understand it of but I was trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out, and I was in a kind of
Speaker 2: like crisis mode after that. I was like, what the
Speaker 2: hell did she mean by that? I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be successful because I have too many considerations or not
Speaker 2: any beliefs. And I was like, oh man, it's a
Speaker 2: good thing. I'm going to be eating some mushrooms later.
Speaker 2: Maybe I could figure this out. So I get home
Speaker 2: and I proceed to dose myself and within a couple
Speaker 2: hours in the experience, usually around this time, I can
Speaker 2: communicate with the higher self with laired, have a little
Speaker 2: conversation about things, or be you know, told some things
Speaker 2: I need to work on or whatever happens. This time,
Speaker 2: Laird shows up and he's like Ice, like, do you
Speaker 2: know what's up with with this? This lady's talking about
Speaker 2: maybe you could give me in some insights into that.
Speaker 2: And the response was something I never got before, is like, nah,
Speaker 2: it's all right, you'll figure it out. I'm gonna leave
Speaker 2: you alone for this this evening. And I was like,
Speaker 2: what you're not? I was okay. It was the strangest
Speaker 2: thing because this has never happened. I was used. I'm
Speaker 2: used to having the accompaniment of this kind of intelligence,
Speaker 2: his voice through these experiences, and it just jetted. So
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, well, I'm not sure to
Speaker 2: do with this experience. So I went up state and
Speaker 2: I started watching TV. And at this time, my producer
Speaker 2: was still at our house. He was hanging out a
Speaker 2: bit and he starts watching TV with me. His name's Corey,
Speaker 2: and uh, we're watching TV and I'm just feeling weird
Speaker 2: from that, you know, that interaction with my higher self.
Speaker 2: Don't know what's going on. So I bring him outside
Speaker 2: and we're having a conversation about the network and things
Speaker 2: that we're doing, and all of a sudden I start
Speaker 2: to see this, I shit, you know, there's this thought
Speaker 2: bubble that pops up around my head, and cycling through
Speaker 2: the thought bubble, I can see my past lives. I
Speaker 2: can see how many times I've been here, and it
Speaker 2: was like it wasn't different lives, it was all this life,
Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of times, and it was showing me
Speaker 2: how many times I've done this. And I turned to
Speaker 2: Corey and I said, man, we've done this before many times.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing it right now. We lived all these past lives,
Speaker 2: and I'm expected Corey to say, ah, whatever, manutrip and
Speaker 2: something stupid. But there were several times that proceeded through
Speaker 2: the night where something took over either took over my
Speaker 2: perception and spoke through Corey or something else was speaking
Speaker 2: through him. That's all I could say. It wasn't him,
Speaker 2: because I asked him the next day, did you say
Speaker 2: this and this and this? And He's like, I didn't
Speaker 2: say any of that, and I was like, well, I
Speaker 2: didn't think so that doesn't sound like anything you would
Speaker 2: have ever say in your entire life. So I'm sitting
Speaker 2: there telling him about this vision of my past lives
Speaker 2: and we've done this together. Many times, and he looks
Speaker 2: at me and he just looks all stoic. He looks different,
Speaker 2: and he's like, yeah, but he gets refined, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, yeah, it looks like it's getting better.
Speaker 2: It seems like I'm doing a little better each time.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, I don't know where it
Speaker 2: came from, but like, I started getting this flood of
Speaker 2: ego and mad at the world because of the situation
Speaker 2: we're in, and then the lack of awareness of people,
Speaker 2: and I was, you know, why can't people wake up enough?
Speaker 2: And why are we still in this shitty situation just
Speaker 2: being mad at everyone else? And then he turns and
Speaker 2: looks at me again and again says something completely out
Speaker 2: of character. He's like, well, at some point, isn't at
Speaker 2: some point, isn't it just a reflection of yourself? And
Speaker 2: I was like, what the who are you? And my
Speaker 2: mind is my brain is blowing up. And after I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there kind of melting down for a minute wondering
Speaker 2: what's up with him, this knowing washes over me. And
Speaker 2: it was a knowing like I was I just knew
Speaker 2: that I was dead. This knowing like you died, you
Speaker 2: just died. You're dead right now. And I was like, what,
Speaker 2: you know, I've never really like been lied to through
Speaker 2: these experiences to that extent, telling especially telling me something
Speaker 2: that messed up. But I just got this knowing washed
Speaker 2: over me that I have died and I am no
Speaker 2: longer in this realm. And I was like, hey, uh,
Speaker 2: my friend's just staring at me while I'm having this meltdown,
Speaker 2: not saying anything, and I said, I didn't die, and
Speaker 2: he's like, I don't know. Did you die? And I
Speaker 2: was like, no, no, this is just a vision. And
Speaker 2: then this knowing just came back. No, you're dead, and
Speaker 2: he's like, you might have died. And I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: what the what are you talking about? And I said,
Speaker 2: I said, wait, wait, I can't die. I have to
Speaker 2: go back. Is there a way I can go back?
Speaker 2: I can go back right I'm just having a vision
Speaker 2: or something. He's like, no, if you go back now,
Speaker 2: you got to start over all the way from the beginning.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, what, I gotta be reincarnated again, born again.
Speaker 2: Hell no, I am not doing this again. And I
Speaker 2: just started freaking out and thinking what the hell did
Speaker 2: I just die? And then he starts walking away. He
Speaker 2: goes downstairs, and I'm following him like freaking out, like
Speaker 2: what do you mean I'm dead? And then he turns
Speaker 2: around and everything's just back to It's Corey. It's just
Speaker 2: the normal hemning and he's like, dude, you're freaking out.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Let's
Speaker 2: go watch some TV or something. And I'm like, what
Speaker 2: what the hell just happened? And it was kind of
Speaker 2: like I was back into reality a little bit, so,
Speaker 2: you know, I started to calm down. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm dripping, man, this is crazy. But then a shit
Speaker 2: you not. I'm watching TV and this like demon face
Speaker 2: comes out of it and then growls at me. I
Speaker 2: look over at Corey and he's a he's a corpse.
Speaker 2: He's like white, he's got dark circles under his eyes,
Speaker 2: and he slowly looks at me and he says, all
Speaker 2: you gotta do is watch TV, man, It's okay, and
Speaker 2: I jump up. I'm like uck no. I run to
Speaker 2: my bedroom where my wife is sleeping. I turn on
Speaker 2: the light and I wake her up, and dude, she
Speaker 2: looks like a corpse too, and she's got like black circles,
Speaker 2: She's all She's like. Then she starts yelling at me
Speaker 2: things that my wife would never yell at me, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck. I run outside and the
Speaker 2: entire neighborhood is pitch black. There's no street lights on,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh shit, I did die. I'm dead,
Speaker 2: and I'm liking some kind of hell right now. And
Speaker 2: I start thinking what did I do to deserve being
Speaker 2: in hell? And I'm like, oh, wait, does it because
Speaker 2: I didn't believe in anything? What the did I not
Speaker 2: believe is because I didn't believe in Jesus? So dude,
Speaker 2: I start like praying. I'm on my knees in my
Speaker 2: backyard praying. I don't know where Corey is, I don't
Speaker 2: know where my wife is. I'm just alone and it's
Speaker 2: pitch black in the dark. So something just tells me, Look,
Speaker 2: if I'm dead, I'm gonna go find God. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: talk to him. I'm gonna work this out. So I
Speaker 2: literally start walking down the street and it it's my neighborhood,
Speaker 2: but it really wasn't my neighborhood. It was dark and
Speaker 2: gloomy that every person I saw walking didn't look right,
Speaker 2: and if there was a couple, it looked like they're
Speaker 2: whispering things about me to each other. The animals, like
Speaker 2: the dogs and cats looked all weird and messed up.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, this is like some kind of hell
Speaker 2: or purgatory. And I'm walking down the street and then
Speaker 2: I start having a life review, like my whole life
Speaker 2: is flashing before my eyes, and I think this is
Speaker 2: gonna be a long night. So I'm just walking and
Speaker 2: I get to the end of the street and I
Speaker 2: can turn left where it goes to a highway. And
Speaker 2: I see the highway and there's like cop cars and
Speaker 2: light set and shit, I don't want to mess with
Speaker 2: and like, if that's cop, that's like cops, that's authorities
Speaker 2: in hell or something that's deemon. I don't want to
Speaker 2: go mess with. No Sorr. I turn around. I start
Speaker 2: walking in the other direction, and then I come to
Speaker 2: a crossroad. I can take it right where it's kind
Speaker 2: of dark and gloomy in a neighborhood I've never been into,
Speaker 2: or I could go forward where it's lined by bright street
Speaker 2: lights and keep going that way. So I decide I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go follow the street lights. The first street light
Speaker 2: I walk under, it goes out. I'm like, shit, maybe
Speaker 2: I shouldn't be going this way, as some just told me. No,
Speaker 2: You're gonna have to go down that dark, gloomy road
Speaker 2: right there. So ah shit, I'm walking down there and
Speaker 2: it seems like I'm walking forever and ever, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not getting anywhere. I don't know why, and I'm
Speaker 2: glad no one was around. But I just laid down
Speaker 2: in the middle of the street. Laid down the middle
Speaker 2: of the street and looked up at the stars, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, if anything's gonna happen, I'm either gonna be
Speaker 2: drug to hell or maybe an angel will come and
Speaker 2: lift me to Hell. I don't at this point, I
Speaker 2: don't know what happens when night after you die, what
Speaker 2: what's going on. So I'm staring at the stars and
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well, if this is hell, the stars are
Speaker 2: at least pretty. It's you know, not so bad. And
Speaker 2: then my voice comes back layered, or at least it
Speaker 2: sounded like laired, but it was a little different, a
Speaker 2: little more powerful, a little more pronounced, and said, you know,
Speaker 2: it's all about your perspective even in the afterlife. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's pretty interesting. So I sat up
Speaker 2: and I had this like kind of burst of hope,
Speaker 2: and the voice said look around for a light, but
Speaker 2: not with your eyes open, close your eyes. So I
Speaker 2: close my eyes and I'm looking, and at first I'm
Speaker 2: seeing like the you know, scary demon faces and things
Speaker 2: all around me. When I'm closing my eyes, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't see any light. So it's like, just kind
Speaker 2: of look all around and close your eyes. So I did,
Speaker 2: and I see this faded light kind of off in
Speaker 2: the distance, and I knew what direction that was, so
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, I'm heading towards that light.
Speaker 2: So I start walking, and all of a sudden, I'm
Speaker 2: in a new neighborhood and the houses in this neighborhood
Speaker 2: are seem much nicer and bigger and brighter, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: this is this feels a little better. Maybe I'm headed
Speaker 2: in the right direction. Excuse me. So there's this one
Speaker 2: house towards the end of the street, and it's brighter
Speaker 2: than all of the others, it has more street lights,
Speaker 2: and it has the biggest welcome sign I've ever seen,
Speaker 2: big front porch and a swing and I'm like, shit,
Speaker 2: is that it do I have to go there? And
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, you know what, i'mna go knock on somebody's
Speaker 2: door and either they're gonna call the cops on me,
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be the Hell Police and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be brought to the devil and I'll give him a
Speaker 2: piece of my mind, or the opposite, it'll be an
Speaker 2: angel and I'll go the opposite direction. This is what's
Speaker 2: going through in my mind as I think I'm dead
Speaker 2: walking through my neighborhood. So I said, screw it. I
Speaker 2: go and ring the doorbell and this beautiful blond haired
Speaker 2: lady opens up the door and she says, can I
Speaker 2: help you? Looking pretty concerned, I said, is this where
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be? And she's like, uh, hold on.
Speaker 2: She closed the door, and just a couple of minutes later,
Speaker 2: this very tall, large, very loving, friendly man with this
Speaker 2: glowing aura around him comes to the door and he's like,
Speaker 2: can I help you, son? And I just looked at him.
Speaker 2: I said I think I'm dead. He's like, oh, okay, well,
Speaker 2: let's see shake my hand. I shook his hand and
Speaker 2: he's like, I feel you. You're here, you're talking. I
Speaker 2: don't think you're dead. Could it be anything else? I said,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I took some mushrooms earlier, but nah,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I'm dead. And he's like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: would you like to pray with me? And I said yes?
Speaker 2: And I was like thinking, this is it. This is it.
Speaker 2: I'm being brought to heaven by this man. And you know,
Speaker 2: we get down and he's praying with me, and I'm
Speaker 2: all emotional, crying. I couldn't remember what prayer he said.
Speaker 2: And he's like, would you like to go home? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is it. I'm going to heaven. I
Speaker 2: said yes, and he says where do you live? I said,
Speaker 2: how am I supposed to get back there? I thought
Speaker 2: we were going you know. He's like, I don't know
Speaker 2: what you mean, but I can bring you home. And
Speaker 2: I said all right, well, I'm not sure which where
Speaker 2: I came from, but I think it's somewhere in this vicinity.
Speaker 2: He's like, give me your dress, I'll GPS it. I
Speaker 2: was like, yeall, guy's got GPS. I'm thinking he's an
Speaker 2: angel or something. And so we get in this big,
Speaker 2: beautiful white truck and he's bringing me home. I'm talking
Speaker 2: to him he's asking me what I do tell him
Speaker 2: about the show, and I'm like, yeah, we prayed, Hi,
Speaker 2: you're into Jesus. I maybe should give him a shout
Speaker 2: out every once in a while on my show. I
Speaker 2: get back to my place and I see the door
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm just supposed to go and just
Speaker 2: walk in there and everything's that's it. He's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe you should go just walk in and
Speaker 2: find out. So I was like, fine, all right, and
Speaker 2: I give him the biggest hug and I'm like, thank you.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what to expect. I go and
Speaker 2: open the door and my wife is there, my roommates,
Speaker 2: I mean, Cory's there, and they're freaking out and they're like,
Speaker 2: where the hell were you? And they're back to normal.
Speaker 2: They're not dead, they're perfectly fine, worried a shit about me,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know, and I just went
Speaker 2: grab a bottle of wine. I said, I can't talk
Speaker 2: about anything right now. I just slammed the whole damn
Speaker 2: thing and just tried to pass out. I was I
Speaker 2: was like a broken psyche at that point. I had
Speaker 2: no idea what the hell just happened. So the next day,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know what to do. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go for a hike. I get my dog. I start
Speaker 2: to get in the car to go to the hiking park,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, no, something just tells me I'm going
Speaker 2: find this dude. So I didn't even know how. I
Speaker 2: just started driving and somehow I drove right up to
Speaker 2: his house. I got out and I knocked on the
Speaker 2: door and it was his wife answered the door and
Speaker 2: she said, Chris, I'm so glad you're all right. She
Speaker 2: gives me a big hug, and you know, ask me
Speaker 2: how everything is. And she's like, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 2: his name, but Pastor so and so is giving a
Speaker 2: sermon today? Would you like to come to church? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, shit, man, I this is obviously this all
Speaker 2: happened for a reason. Yes, let me let me go.
Speaker 2: So I hadn't been to church in years and I
Speaker 2: get there and I'm I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 2: I'm like terrified. Am I gonna have to leave my
Speaker 2: life behind and go praise the Lord and be dogmatic
Speaker 2: and afraid of hell and all the things that I
Speaker 2: hated as a child? Is that what I have to
Speaker 2: turn into night. I was like, oh God. I get
Speaker 2: to the church and I just start to get these
Speaker 2: downloads and knowing like, all right, dude, we put you
Speaker 2: through this whole life. We led you to this career
Speaker 2: that is giving you such you know, happiness and success
Speaker 2: in your life, and you're learning so many secrets of
Speaker 2: the universe and the occult and magic and spirituality. We're
Speaker 2: not gonna just draw you off of that path because
Speaker 2: something profound happened to you. But this did happen for
Speaker 2: a reason, and there's an extreme meaning behind it.
Speaker 1: And I start to.
Speaker 2: Look around at everybody in the church and I start
Speaker 2: to sense like kind of the same feeling I had
Speaker 2: is a kid, this fear of going to Hell, this
Speaker 2: kind of drive to be a Christian because you don't
Speaker 2: want to go to Hell, and that's fear based. And
Speaker 2: I saw that in these people, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is not what I wanted. This is like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe it's your chance to share a different perspective on
Speaker 2: what Christianity should be. And I'm like, WHOA. They're like,
Speaker 2: you know all these mystery school teachings, you know, all
Speaker 2: these ancient esoteric teachings. You know how it is all
Speaker 2: derived from the same thing, but exploited and inverted and
Speaker 2: weaponized for the modern parasitic ruling class. But there is genuine,
Speaker 2: real spiritual teachings in there that connect everything together. And
Speaker 2: I just started to get all these realizations about that,
Speaker 2: and I wanted to have a talk with the preacher
Speaker 2: after and I told him everything. I told them about
Speaker 2: what I do, told them how I feel about everything,
Speaker 2: told them what happened. And unfortunately he was kind of
Speaker 2: put off and concerned and scared by everything, and like
Speaker 2: didn't kind of wanted to distance himself from me. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, this is what it is, man. We
Speaker 2: need to change these people's perspectives on their spiritual beliefs
Speaker 2: because I understand that, yes, Jesus is a path to
Speaker 2: salvation or heaven or exiting the matrix. The teachings of Jesus,
Speaker 2: even if you don't want to believe that it's real,
Speaker 2: those teachings, those fundamental, easy little steps to follow to
Speaker 2: love thy neighbor, easy teachings I believe are the keys
Speaker 2: to exit out of here. I think that's all we
Speaker 2: need to know in this life, that's all we need
Speaker 2: to live by. And it solves all the damn problems.
Speaker 2: But there's also plenty of other spiritual teachings that say
Speaker 2: the same exact thing. I think they're all puzzle pieces.
Speaker 2: We just need to put those together and have a
Speaker 2: better understanding. And for everything came kind of full circle
Speaker 2: to me. I do consider myself a follower of Jesus Christians,
Speaker 2: although I don't follow any religion. I don't identify as
Speaker 2: a Christian per se. But it's simple enough for me
Speaker 2: and good enough for me to follow those teachings and
Speaker 2: call it to day and say that's my spiritual beliefs,
Speaker 2: and I have to thank that whole experience for bringing
Speaker 2: me there and at least giving me that belief. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, man, that is wild, but yeah, super interesting.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: What an experienced did you take so that night that
Speaker 1: you the last night that you took the mushrooms? Was that?
Speaker 1: Was that more than you would normally take? No, that
Speaker 1: experience so you're used to that dosage basically, it's interesting,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of it was to happen.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because when I first started, I would be
Speaker 2: taking you know, I always took about three to five
Speaker 2: grams every time. The experiences in the beginning, they weren't
Speaker 2: as profound as they grew to be. That I'd see
Speaker 2: the kind of lights and the swirls and the pretty colors,
Speaker 2: but most of the experience would be cerebral, I you know,
Speaker 2: coming through thoughts and emotions. But the experiences eventually turned
Speaker 2: into very immersive visual and even out of body experiences
Speaker 2: at times. And from what I understand, it kind of
Speaker 2: reconnects these neural pathways and allows for more access the
Speaker 2: more that you are utilizing it.
Speaker 1: Interested Matt, does Corey and your wife remember that night
Speaker 1: and sort of remember how you were behaving and what
Speaker 1: was going on, What was they saying, What was their
Speaker 1: memory of that?
Speaker 2: They remember everything that happened, except Corey didn't say those
Speaker 2: things to me. He remembers me freaking out. He remembers
Speaker 2: me saying things like I thought I was dead. He
Speaker 2: remembers me leaving the house and going in the backyard,
Speaker 2: but he thought I was just going hang out in
Speaker 2: the backyard for a bit like I usually do, and
Speaker 2: no big deal. My wife, she was half asleep when
Speaker 2: I came in there, and she was just upset that
Speaker 2: I turned the lights on and kind of woke her
Speaker 2: up and She's like, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 2: That's what she actually said, And in my perspective, she's
Speaker 2: like cursing and flailing and throwing, like that's what I
Speaker 2: was seeing. But she was like, no, I just asked
Speaker 2: what you were doing, and I was all confused, and
Speaker 2: you ran out and I was like, oh, She's like
Speaker 2: and she just figured I was tripping. So she just
Speaker 2: went back to bed, and you know, next thing, you know,
Speaker 2: I think she had woken up a little while later
Speaker 2: looking for me. I wasn't anywhere around, and Corey was.
Speaker 2: He was immersed in like a video game. He completely
Speaker 2: forgot about me, and there was like, well, I don't
Speaker 2: know where he is. They weren't gonna call the cops.
Speaker 2: They figured i'd eventually make it back, which luckily I did. So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, wow, I mean seeing like the demonic faces
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and the whole walk the how
Speaker 3: you described it, it sounds pretty scary. It was terrified
Speaker 3: the people and they're sort of like you think they're
Speaker 3: whispering and talking about you and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that must have been. That must have been a trip.
Speaker 2: Yes, there's one more experience that I could tell you about.
Speaker 2: That was extremely immersive, and I couldn't say if it
Speaker 2: was really paranormal, but I do believe it had a
Speaker 2: spiritual nature to it. I do believe that I connected
Speaker 2: with something that was leading me and guiding me in
Speaker 2: a certain direction. But this experience was also pretty terrifying,
Speaker 2: and believe it or not, after this experience, I went
Speaker 2: back the next month after it. But this one was
Speaker 2: probably the second most terrifying experience. Now. Even though the
Speaker 2: last one I told you about was extremely beneficial and
Speaker 2: ended up being like life changing and wonderful, it was
Speaker 2: terrifying at the time. This one was almost just as terrifying,
Speaker 2: but it took me probably longer to get over this
Speaker 2: experience I'm about to tell you about because it was crazy.
Speaker 2: So I was with at this time. It was before
Speaker 2: I was with my wife. It was an ext girlfriend
Speaker 2: and I had kind of somewhat started doing the mushroom journeys.
Speaker 2: It was probably a year into it, and she was
Speaker 2: a she's a psychic medium, spiritual healer, and we met
Speaker 2: through my show, and you know, it seemed cool. We
Speaker 2: had kind of a mutually beneficial relationship living together, and
Speaker 2: I really wasn't expecting much out of it. Although I
Speaker 2: didn't really try to, you know, get that deep into
Speaker 2: the relationship per se, but it was mutually beneficial and
Speaker 2: she did seem at the time like a nice enough person.
Speaker 2: So she had never done psilocybin mushrooms before, and she
Speaker 2: asked if we could go and have an experience together.
Speaker 2: I said sure, So I dozed her, dosed myself, and
Speaker 2: it's like almost two hours later and she says she
Speaker 2: doesn't feel anything. Nothing. That's very strange. I'm off my boarge.
Speaker 2: So I ended up giving her about five grams, which
Speaker 2: is a lot, especially for the first time you're having
Speaker 2: a mushroom experience, and she says, nope, don't feel anything.
Speaker 2: Is I feel kind of sleepy? And I was like,
Speaker 2: that is really weird. I've never heard of that before.
Speaker 2: But whatever, I guess it's I'm by myself in this.
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, well, hey, let's do a healing
Speaker 2: regression to try and heal some childhood trauma or something
Speaker 2: along those lines, because she does that for you know,
Speaker 2: she did that for her job and things like that.
Speaker 2: So I was like, you know, I trusted her, sure
Speaker 2: didn't know would it'd be like doing it under the
Speaker 2: influence of psilocybin, but I went with it that itself
Speaker 2: went fine. I mean, that experience seemed pretty beneficial. It
Speaker 2: seemed like we got through everything okay. And afterwards, we
Speaker 2: were just having a conversation about things, and I'm talking
Speaker 2: to her, looking at her, and I noticed that the
Speaker 2: thing she starts to saying don't really pertain to the
Speaker 2: conversation we're just having and aren't making sense anymore. And
Speaker 2: I look at her and she says, you know, when
Speaker 2: I found you, I attached myself. I gave you love,
Speaker 2: I help you get where you were, and now I
Speaker 2: sent you don't love me anymore. And as she said,
Speaker 2: I sent you don't love me anymore, I shit you not.
Speaker 2: She shape shifted into a reptilian like lizard person. She
Speaker 2: even grew a couple of feet taller. She was wearing
Speaker 2: my ex girlfriend's nightgown, but she was a lizard beast
Speaker 2: and she had the yellow ass and the arty teeth,
Speaker 2: yellow eyes, and I'm like, what duff? And she was
Speaker 2: taller than me, and I'm like, oh my god. I
Speaker 2: start running and I can hear stomping behind me and saying,
Speaker 2: you don't love me anymore? And I was like what
Speaker 2: the hell is going on? I run down to my
Speaker 2: basement and I locked myself in there, and like, I'm wondering,
Speaker 2: you know, did I overdose on mushrooms? Is did I die?
Speaker 2: Is this hell? I don't know what the hell is
Speaker 2: going on? Never had such a profound visionary experience like this.
Speaker 2: And then my entire basement and house changes into like
Speaker 2: this dungeon. I can look outside and there's like bars
Speaker 2: on my windows, and the sky is like blood red,
Speaker 2: and everything's different and dingy, and I'm like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: what is going on? I run back upstairs. I managed
Speaker 2: to like dodge the reptilian and get into my room
Speaker 2: and turn on the shower. I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 2: Jump in the shower. I'm like, I'm just gonna maybe
Speaker 2: it'll knock this stuff out of me, wake me up.
Speaker 2: I don't know. So water's running over me. I didn't
Speaker 2: know what to do, so I start praying. I was like,
Speaker 2: God help man. As soon as I said that, I
Speaker 2: felt this like rumbling within my stomach, within my whole body,
Speaker 2: and this voice came over me and said you're being
Speaker 2: deceived right now, and I puked up this black like
Speaker 2: viscous oily goop stuff went straight down the drain, but
Speaker 2: it was nasty looking. And as I puked up that
Speaker 2: black stuff, everything snapped back to normal and I felt
Speaker 2: like amazing, And I felt this loving presence in that
Speaker 2: room with me, and everything was cool, and I was
Speaker 2: like oh. And I walked back outside and my ex
Speaker 2: girlfriend sit there like what happened? And again I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: So the following days and weeks from this is when
Speaker 2: I started to realize what the experience was about. She
Speaker 2: started showing me a different personality. She started being very cold, materialistic,
Speaker 2: downright nasty at times, starting arguments, a very reptilian type nature,
Speaker 2: to a point to where I had to break it
Speaker 2: off and kick her out. She you know, even tried
Speaker 2: like extorting money, all kinds of crazy stuff. So I
Speaker 2: was like, holy shit. I realized, and I believe this
Speaker 2: is what happened the mushrooms, and my subconscious was trying
Speaker 2: to alert me that there's something wrong with this woman.
Speaker 2: There's a reptilian like nature to her, and I don't
Speaker 2: think she you know, she didn't really shape shift into
Speaker 2: her reptilian but I believe I was able to perceive
Speaker 2: something about her, and it was like a warning to me,
Speaker 2: like this is what you're with. You better you know,
Speaker 2: watch out.
Speaker 1: Wow man, Yeah, Scott, I was gonna say, you don't
Speaker 1: actually think she was a reptilian?
Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think so. I mean anything's possible,
Speaker 2: but I don't.
Speaker 1: Think, man, that is wild. So before before that experience,
Speaker 1: did you have any sign that he was going to
Speaker 1: turn that way or was that like?
Speaker 2: No, And I think I was just kind of I
Speaker 2: think I was kind of blind to it. I think
Speaker 2: I had my blinders on with everything, you know, attractive
Speaker 2: woman and she was treating me nice enough, and she
Speaker 2: at the time was spending money on me, so I
Speaker 2: thought it was a pretty good thing. And maybe I
Speaker 2: was blind to some of her behaviors, but it was
Speaker 2: very clear. It like took those glass those goggles off
Speaker 2: me that experience, and I was able to see things
Speaker 2: much clearer.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Did you tell her that you saw as a real
Speaker 1: that night?
Speaker 2: I told her everything, and she's like, oh, wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Maybe you shouldn't do mushrooms anymore, man.
Speaker 1: So normally when you do the mushrooms, it's a positive
Speaker 1: experience and you're learning something from it. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean in a weird way, these scary experiences that
Speaker 1: they're positive as well. You're learning.
Speaker 2: It's like i'd say, sixty forty mix positive and terrifying.
Speaker 2: The terrifying ones for me were they weren't that, you know,
Speaker 2: profound like the ones I just told you all the time.
Speaker 2: But there'd be instances where I would have to face
Speaker 2: something scary and it usually represented some kind of trauma
Speaker 2: or emotion that I didn't want to deal with and
Speaker 2: or some kind of something in my subconscious that was
Speaker 2: really weighing on me, and it'd present itself and sometimes
Speaker 2: very terrifying ways. But after I'd face that and kind
Speaker 2: of work through the muck, it would always turn into
Speaker 2: something beautiful and beneficial in the end.
Speaker 1: Interesting, man, So going back to that time when when
Speaker 1: this sort of first started and you had that experience
Speaker 1: in the bathtub where you saw the entities, you weren't
Speaker 1: on mushrooms at that time. Was that was just you
Speaker 1: were just seeing that meditate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just kind of in a meditative state.
Speaker 1: Do you think those entities were real? Are?
Speaker 3: They?
Speaker 2: Were?
Speaker 1: They real?
Speaker 2: Entities? Real?
Speaker 3: What is real?
Speaker 2: So in my perspective, what I understand now is that
Speaker 2: just beyond our perception, there is an ecosystem of life forms,
Speaker 2: but it also represents our within our innerverse, our subconscious,
Speaker 2: and I think it's all connected. I think it's all
Speaker 2: the same thing. I think that by going within ourselves,
Speaker 2: there's an entire universe of spectrum of intelligences and beings
Speaker 2: that can also be attributed to what we consider to
Speaker 2: be you know, interdimensional beings and you know, as above
Speaker 2: so below. I think it's all connected to us. I
Speaker 2: think it's all a part of us. You want to
Speaker 2: call them aggrigors. But I think there's also this fractalized
Speaker 2: separation to where it is something else. It's it's all
Speaker 2: of us. It's everything put together, it's all of the
Speaker 2: collective field, and all of our thoughts put together, all
Speaker 2: of our histories, everything we've ever experienced, can present itself
Speaker 2: as whatever it wants us to see it as. And
Speaker 2: I think that's what we're experiencing with paranormal experiences, extraterrestrials,
Speaker 2: even possibly some cryptid sightings, is the manifestation of these
Speaker 2: inner intelligences that communicate with us, and most of the
Speaker 2: very profound paranormal contact experiences. The information conveyed during those
Speaker 2: were for that person and had a very personal type
Speaker 2: of path that they were let on and gave them
Speaker 2: information to either benefit them or help them along their path.
Speaker 2: And that's my current understanding of these other intelligences, angels, demons, aliens,
Speaker 2: interdimensional beings. I think it's all part of that ultra
Speaker 2: terrestrial ecosystem, if you will.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Man, what I find so interested is I've never
Speaker 1: done psychedelics myself, talk to a lot of people that have,
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not against anything like that. Maybe
Speaker 1: one day I will, I don't know. But so many
Speaker 1: people have the same sort of experiences and see the
Speaker 1: same entities you know, and describe the same things that
Speaker 1: everyone And it's for me, it's like, is that is
Speaker 1: are they real entities? Are we tapping into another dimension
Speaker 1: or you know? I know it's a difficult one because
Speaker 1: we don't know, but I do find it.
Speaker 2: Since I think I think they are real if you
Speaker 2: want to simplify things, I think we're we have the
Speaker 2: ability to communicate with something that has more knowledge and
Speaker 2: understanding than our immediate incarnation here and what our consciousness
Speaker 2: is capable of. And I think they can be tapped into.
Speaker 2: I think that's what a lot of ritual magic does.
Speaker 2: It gets the attention of these cosmic intelligences and you
Speaker 2: can utilize them to work with you. And it's I
Speaker 2: think it also all goes back to archetypes and thought
Speaker 2: forms and what we put out there. And I think
Speaker 2: there's these what we would call like eternal archetypes that
Speaker 2: have always been around, these intelligences that have always guided
Speaker 2: to humanity. But as we've evolved and as we've grown,
Speaker 2: we feed these things information and they present themselves differently.
Speaker 2: If you look at the UFO phenomena, how it has
Speaker 2: evolved over the years. Used to be airships and then saucers.
Speaker 2: Before that, it was chariots in the sky. Now we're
Speaker 2: seeing the plasma balls and the orbs, and it seems
Speaker 2: to at times even be more technological. It seems to
Speaker 2: evolve with the collective consciousness understanding of things. So that
Speaker 2: tells me it's something more than little green men coming
Speaker 2: from other planets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, mate, So that they would you say the
Speaker 1: OBEs that you you saw the like OBEs when you've
Speaker 1: before all of this and you saw the free orange life.
Speaker 2: They really just look like flames. It really looks like
Speaker 2: like three flames in the sky the best I can
Speaker 2: describe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think they were? I know that's
Speaker 1: difficult because we don't know what do you think that was?
Speaker 2: If I had to speculate if it was in some
Speaker 2: kind of military project or you know, exotic technology, which
Speaker 2: that is possible because at the time I live not
Speaker 2: too far from a military base. But it looked to
Speaker 2: me like what a lot of people show that they
Speaker 2: get footage of these plasma lights that can shape shift
Speaker 2: and morph in the skies, these kind of plasma entities
Speaker 2: that can shift into anything, and they seem to have
Speaker 2: an increased sightings of these lately in the past couple
Speaker 2: of years, a lot more people getting them on film,
Speaker 2: And that is probably closest to what I'd be able
Speaker 2: to describe seeing. But it was more orange and flame looking.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Man, it does seem connected to the experiences that
Speaker 1: you had. I mean, what are the changes that you
Speaker 1: see something like that and then you have that profound
Speaker 1: experience that evening. You know, it does seem connected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it is for me because you know,
Speaker 2: it's my experience. It's part of my story now. So
Speaker 2: I'll just say, yeah, it's connected.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh man, have you seen anything else like that?
Speaker 1: Have you seen any other uphone?
Speaker 2: No? I have not seen Oh I have. I've seen some.
Speaker 2: I think there were military craft, but you could consider
Speaker 2: them UFOs. I went on a couple of UFO night
Speaker 2: skywatches at a couple of conferences that I was at.
Speaker 2: I had a gathering in my backyard here in Colorado
Speaker 2: with some night vision goggles, and we saw a couple
Speaker 2: of triangle crafts, you know, the people call them the
Speaker 2: tr Three's. Saw a couple of those in the sky,
Speaker 2: but nothing else. Yeah, that was pretty cool. But I've
Speaker 2: really never seen anything else really profound or unknown, or
Speaker 2: had any other real paranormal encounters or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Interesting. No triangles you saw in the sky? Yeah, could
Speaker 1: you hear them?
Speaker 2: No, It's completely silent, and they looked extremely, extremely high up.
Speaker 2: It just looked like three stars moving together in a triangular.
Speaker 1: For me, Ah, cool thing to see, Matt. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to get some night vision goggles. And I
Speaker 1: hear so many people say, like, you can see some
Speaker 1: incredible things. I feel like if you look up at
Speaker 1: the sky a lot, you do see things that you
Speaker 1: can't explain.
Speaker 2: Oh I did I have completely forgot I had a
Speaker 2: trip out to Skinwalker Ranch. Oh wow, wasn't Yeah, I
Speaker 2: wasn't able to go to these Skinwalker Ranch But my
Speaker 2: buddy Ryan Burns, he has property right next door. He
Speaker 2: runs the Space Wolf Research Center, and he hosts scientists
Speaker 2: and research and aerospace companies to come out and study
Speaker 2: his property. And I went out there to film the movie.
Speaker 2: I just put out Doors of Perception, and that section
Speaker 2: was kind of focusing on the high strangeness in the area,
Speaker 2: although the movie focuses on a bunch of other topics.
Speaker 2: But we saw all night long UFOs. UFOs didn't need
Speaker 2: night vision goggles, these orbs and lights flying through the skies. Uh,
Speaker 2: it just got to be so commonplace. As soon as
Speaker 2: it turned dark, that's like all you'd see. And it
Speaker 2: even got old after a while, like, oh, I know
Speaker 2: the UFO there were so many of them. But what
Speaker 2: was really kind of concerning to me was Ryan had
Speaker 2: night vision goggles and we could see the Black Ops
Speaker 2: team surrounding us, watching us, pointing laser beams at us.
Speaker 2: Because you know that Skinwalker Ranch is an exotic military
Speaker 2: weapons testing site.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean I've.
Speaker 2: I can tell you some things, man, some freaky stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: let's go all right, So skin Walker Ranch. People think
Speaker 2: of it as this, you know, paranormal wonderland where all
Speaker 2: these mystical things happen, and that is true. It's a
Speaker 2: very mystical place. There is paranormal activity and there are
Speaker 2: what people would call skin walkers, and I'll get into
Speaker 2: that in a little bit. But a lot of the
Speaker 2: activity that people experience, a lot of the harmful, negative activity.
Speaker 2: A lot of the more terrifying things is military weapons testing.
Speaker 2: They test everything from UFO exotic technology to mind control
Speaker 2: weapons V two k frequencies. They can get people sick,
Speaker 2: they can cause people diseases, they can make people hallucinate,
Speaker 2: they can make people see entities and beings. One of
Speaker 2: my friends saw these I guess you could say they
Speaker 2: were like little fractalized dust that turned into a dog,
Speaker 2: and then these nanoparticles they turned into a dog and
Speaker 2: then shape shifted into a tornado, and then shape shifted
Speaker 2: into a human. And he believed that's actually military technology
Speaker 2: that they were utilizing. But they can make people see
Speaker 2: whatever they want out there, and that's the craziest part.
Speaker 2: And I saw the black op teams surrounding us, pointing
Speaker 2: these purple lasers at us. He said that they're always were.
Speaker 2: If you're there, you're gonna be under surveillance. They're gonna
Speaker 2: be watching every move you're making. Next Door to him,
Speaker 2: they had a legit satanist who had a little tint
Speaker 2: with these strange lights set up, and he says he
Speaker 2: talks to the old gods at night with the lights,
Speaker 2: and that dude was telling us that he's had experiences
Speaker 2: where he's had three houses burst into flames because he
Speaker 2: was communing with the wrong demon. Crazy lights show up
Speaker 2: over his tint all the time, just insane stuff. So
Speaker 2: I think there's a level of real natural occult magic
Speaker 2: and craziness going on there, and then there's a heavy
Speaker 2: level of military activity. But the skin Walker stories are
Speaker 2: just off the chain crazy that he has told me,
Speaker 2: the encounters with like canine beings and strange humanoids. One
Speaker 2: of the craziest ones is they were him and a
Speaker 2: security guy were walking outside of the trailer and they
Speaker 2: see this looks like a dude walking up, but he's
Speaker 2: kind of walking strange. He's really tall, and they notice
Speaker 2: his arms were way too long. And they couldn't make
Speaker 2: out what his face looked like. It looked like he
Speaker 2: had no face, and he's kind of walking all weird
Speaker 2: towards him, and it looked like he had a walkie
Speaker 2: talkie on his hand and he's trying to grab the
Speaker 2: walkie talkie and talk, but his hands are all messed
Speaker 2: up and his arms are weird. But they said it
Speaker 2: looked like he was just trying to mimic what a
Speaker 2: security guard would look like. And it gets closer to him,
Speaker 2: and the closer it gets, the weirder it looks, and
Speaker 2: the more out of focus and looks like it's shape
Speaker 2: shifting as they're speaking, and the security guy pulls out
Speaker 2: a gun. He's like, hey, stay right there, and the
Speaker 2: being just kind of slowly starts walking backwards, all weird
Speaker 2: and crazy, till it just walks to a fence line
Speaker 2: and gets to where they can't see it anymore. And
Speaker 2: they were like, what up fuck was that? They've been
Speaker 2: chased by drones? Chased by orbs. They had to jump
Speaker 2: in a ditch and hide and duck because these three
Speaker 2: orbs were like chasing them, silent orbs shooting lights at him,
Speaker 2: and shit, they had no idea, what would happen if
Speaker 2: the lights hit him. One of his friends was being
Speaker 2: chased by a bright UFO and had to jump in
Speaker 2: a river because it was shooting this red light. And
Speaker 2: he said, when he jumped in the river, he felt
Speaker 2: this red light go over and it burned like hell.
Speaker 2: He got out and he had red burns all over
Speaker 2: his body and unfortunately a few months later he died
Speaker 2: of cancer. Oh man, yeah, dude, another one. I'll leave
Speaker 2: you with this story. His security guy was out one
Speaker 2: night patrolling the property and he's going up towards one
Speaker 2: of the trailers on the far end of the property
Speaker 2: and he sees that there's these three dudes like rummaging
Speaker 2: through stuff around the trailer and they all had their
Speaker 2: shirts off, all looked like they were wearing these like
Speaker 2: little brown shorts or something. And he's he's armed. He's
Speaker 2: walking up to him and he says, freeze. And when
Speaker 2: he said that, in sync, they all sat down like
Speaker 2: dogs and looked up at him, and he said they
Speaker 2: had eyeshine, like like canines, and he's like, you fucking freeze,
Speaker 2: And he said they started to all in sync lunge
Speaker 2: at him and like run at him. Like dogs, and
Speaker 2: he unloaded on him. He unloaded on him all, and
Speaker 2: he knew he hit them all multiple times, and it
Speaker 2: took a bunch of shots before they started to even
Speaker 2: turn around and run the other way, like dogs trotting
Speaker 2: through the field. And they jumped like three sets of fences,
Speaker 2: just like nothing, jumping over like dogs. The craziest part
Speaker 2: is the next day there was a police report about
Speaker 2: three members of the U tribe found dead from gunshot
Speaker 2: wounds in separately. Oh yes, roh crazy.
Speaker 1: Oh man, So that sounds like they were like wolves
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Skin walk something man. Yeah, yeah, you're not familiar with
Speaker 2: the skin walker lore. Suppose there's different methods and different types.
Speaker 2: But according to what I was told, it's some sort
Speaker 2: of ritual that first of all, you're required to do
Speaker 2: something horrible, like murder a family member to even get
Speaker 2: in with this spirit realm. And you have a pelt
Speaker 2: of a certain animal that you want to be manifested.
Speaker 2: As you wear the pelt, you go into a metaphytative
Speaker 2: state and you can project yourself and up to a
Speaker 2: point to where they say it's even physical, you can
Speaker 2: they can physically project themselves in other locations. But as
Speaker 2: that animal or some variation or a humanoid something creature,
Speaker 2: chimera creature. That's what they do. They project themselves and
Speaker 2: that's what they purport the skin walker phenomenon to be.
Speaker 2: But there's also another side of this. This is crazy too.
Speaker 2: There is a secretive kind of scientific corporation out there.
Speaker 2: Forget the name of it. Ryan told me, I don't
Speaker 2: even know if I'm supposed to repeat the name of
Speaker 2: this place, but I can tell the story. He says
Speaker 2: that this they're doing some crazy experiments with genetics at
Speaker 2: this place, and they're combining genetics of different animals and chimeras,
Speaker 2: and they said they work with military and you know,
Speaker 2: the very dark black projects. And he believes that they're
Speaker 2: creating like chimera creatures like dog men and monsters, and
Speaker 2: some of them occasionally escape and you'll see them and
Speaker 2: they'll attack people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that is that the theory of some of
Speaker 1: these the dog men creatures, that that's what these things are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's insane, man. Wow, he's out there. That's crazy shit, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting. I mean a lot of people
Speaker 1: say a lot of people won't even say the word skinwalker.
Speaker 1: I talk to a lot of people that don't even
Speaker 1: want to say that word. You know, it is incredible
Speaker 1: and a lot of and as well, as you said,
Speaker 1: you wasn't actually on the ranch, but the whole area
Speaker 1: is full of vire strangers like that. It seems that
Speaker 1: whole area insane. Brother, man, you're going back there soon
Speaker 1: or I'd love to go back there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man. In fact, we may take another trip this
Speaker 2: year if we can. I'm working on a sequel to
Speaker 2: Doors of Perception, so if we could get back out there,
Speaker 2: that would be be awesome. But Ryan's great. Have you
Speaker 2: ever talked to him?
Speaker 1: No, not yet, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should. You should look him up. He has
Speaker 2: such great information about all this stuff. He does great
Speaker 2: research into the paranormal and the phenomena around the ranch.
Speaker 2: And he has these high profile people coming out there
Speaker 2: from the Guvermant and various aerospace companies and billionaires coming
Speaker 2: out to study the property, and they just throw money
Speaker 2: at him to be able to do that. So he's
Speaker 2: a very interesting guy to talk to you about that stuff.
Speaker 1: Interesting, man, Is it true they're building up They're trying
Speaker 1: to build a hotel on the ranch. I did hear that,
Speaker 1: which does sound wild? I mean I would stay there.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it would be interesting.
Speaker 1: Man. I did watch an episode and there was a
Speaker 1: Skinwalker ranch series. I think it's still going on Discovery
Speaker 1: Channel whatever. It is really interesting. I didn't see all
Speaker 1: of it, but there was one episode where one of
Speaker 1: the investigators, I don't know if he if they were
Speaker 1: digging a hole somewhere and he had a blast of radiation.
Speaker 1: Did you see that one and it like it? No?
Speaker 2: I didn't really get to watch the series too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's all fit to what you were saying about,
Speaker 1: like the technology and the radiation and the tests that
Speaker 1: they're doing there. Brother, Chris, you blowed my mind tonight.
Speaker 2: Man, right on. Yeah, I love that, bro.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, man for coming on sharing your
Speaker 1: personal journey as well. Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 2: Man, to be coming on my show in.
Speaker 1: Very soon week, so yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for that, and I'd love to get
Speaker 1: you back on this Get Freak. I feel like there's
Speaker 1: a lot we could talk about, a lot of rabbit
Speaker 1: holes we can go down and definitely super interesting man,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Can you tell the listeners where
Speaker 1: they can find you sure.
Speaker 2: Website is Forbidden Knowledge dot News. You'll find our podcast
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Speaker 2: you so much.
Speaker 1: Ah your a legend man. Thank you so much. Hopefully
Speaker 1: this is the first of many conversations. I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to being back on your show very soon as well.
Speaker 1: And yeah, just keep up with great work. Robert, thank
Speaker 1: you so much.
Speaker 2: Man, Thank you man. Have a wonderful night. You too.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Robert. Guys, thank you so much for listening.
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