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<v Speaker 1>Okay, guys, welcome back to Let's Get Freaky Podcasts. I

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<v Speaker 1>am super excited to welcome our guests tonight. We are

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<v Speaker 1>joined by Chris Matthew from the Forbidden Knowledge News podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm very excited to have him here. Man, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much for coming. How are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Tommy, thank you so much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really excited about this. Love your podcast and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>ready to get freaky. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I'm loving your podcast, man, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it's awesome, very interesting Forbidden Knowledge News. For anyone that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know hasn't heard your podcast yet, can you give

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<v Speaker 1>us a description of what it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? I cover everything from paranormal the occult, conspiracies, hidden history, spirituality,

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<v Speaker 2>even alternative health. I cover a gamut of topics that

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<v Speaker 2>aren't regularly discussed in the mainstream and if it is

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<v Speaker 2>I will most likely go much deeper than anything you've

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<v Speaker 2>heard from most of the mainstream sources. So that's Forbidden

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<v Speaker 2>Knowledge News. I'm also a filmmaker. I just have my

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<v Speaker 2>second film put out Doors of Perception. Really excited because

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<v Speaker 2>it just got picked up by Amazon, so we're looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to that. And yeah, that's what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, man, Well, I'm loving your shit. It's super interesting, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it really is. How long have you been doing the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast for?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, the podcast has been about almost nine years now. Wow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it started about two thousand and sixteen, twenty fifteen, sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and it started as a YouTube channel, actually started as

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<v Speaker 2>a Facebook blog, but then kind of gravitated towards the

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel and became a podcast in early like twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we've been trucking since then.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, man, you're like the OG, one of the one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been around a little while, a little while.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's awesome. It's so weird when people say twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>because that doesn't seem like that long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It was nice happened in that time.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent. The world has completely changed since then,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure, one hundred percent. So whereabouts you based?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in northern Colorado, United States?

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<v Speaker 1>Nice?

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<v Speaker 2>Nice, Yeah, I'd moved out here a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>I was born and raised in South Louisiana, lived there

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<v Speaker 2>for most of my life, and with Florida a little while,

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<v Speaker 2>went back to Louisiana, and about four years ago came

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<v Speaker 2>out to Colorado. Or something just called me out here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've been here ever since, haven't it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh awesome?

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I do feel like that that happens, Like certain places

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<v Speaker 1>we just get drawn to for some reason. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like there's something to that. I certainly feel that. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like where I've moved to in the UK, I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like it was drawn there. Now I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at America and I would love to get

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<v Speaker 1>over to America. I think that is the goal in

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<v Speaker 1>the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, come on out, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man. So what got you into these world subjects

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<v Speaker 1>that we look into.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, since the early age, I've been into paranormal mysteries,

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<v Speaker 2>strange happenings. I've never really at least growing up, I

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<v Speaker 2>never had any which you'd call paranormal experiences that I

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<v Speaker 2>can really remember. Always had a great interest in it.

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<v Speaker 2>But by the time I hit my late teens, sex,

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<v Speaker 2>drugs and rock and roll kind of took over my

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<v Speaker 2>life and I just kind of fell into the rhythm

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<v Speaker 2>of everything, and after in my twenties, just got your

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<v Speaker 2>regular joe job, a corporate job, and just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>forgot about the mystical side of reality and those I

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<v Speaker 2>was always interested in paranormal but really wasn't looking into anything,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really do any research into anything until about twenty twelve, well,

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<v Speaker 2>when I was going through a bit of a bad patch,

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<v Speaker 2>a rough divorce and in the middle of a job

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<v Speaker 2>that I really wasn't happy with, and I just needed

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<v Speaker 2>to do something. I needed to find something else, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I just started reading books that I used to

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<v Speaker 2>be interested in, and then started looking at YouTube videos,

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<v Speaker 2>and back then that was the golden age of YouTube,

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<v Speaker 2>where you could find any topics. Nothing was really censored

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<v Speaker 2>like it is now, and you could find some really

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<v Speaker 2>interesting things. And that led to the discovery of more topics,

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<v Speaker 2>more authors and researchers and books, and I just really

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<v Speaker 2>got engrossed in these topics and I started doing a

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook blog, like I said, at about like twenty thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>or fourteen, And as I was researching, i'd go and

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<v Speaker 2>blog about the things I was talking about, and my

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<v Speaker 2>family thought I was crazy. Everybody at work thought I

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<v Speaker 2>was crazy, especially around this time and South Louisiana. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not something that you can easily talk with folks about.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why I've started the Facebook blog, so I

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<v Speaker 2>could maybe reach out to others that might be interested,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were. You know, it became a thing. It

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<v Speaker 2>became pretty popular. So that's when I transitioned to the

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube and I thought, ma'am, I gotta interview people. I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta talk to people who know more about these things

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<v Speaker 2>than I do and really share some information with people.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I started doing, and blessed enough to

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<v Speaker 2>have some really great guests even in the beginning that were,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, nice enough and kind enough to come on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. And that's where it really all evolved.

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<v Speaker 1>From awesome, man, that's awesome. It is once you start

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<v Speaker 1>going down these rabbit holes and there they're never ending.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I feel like for me anyway, you

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<v Speaker 1>go down one rabbit hole and there's another ten.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's like where do I go now?

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<v Speaker 1>But once you there's no going back to see the

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<v Speaker 1>world in that way, everything changes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have. The more I learned, the more questions

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<v Speaker 2>I have, And it's just like you said, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a never ending onion that trying to peel through and

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<v Speaker 2>understand these things. But I'm blessed to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>do this as a career and make a living from it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was something completely separate from just starting this

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<v Speaker 2>show because it was a hobby, it was fun. I

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<v Speaker 2>never expected for it to really turn into anything like

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<v Speaker 2>it is now. But I owe that to a very

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<v Speaker 2>significant what i'd call spiritual encounter contact experience, and that

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<v Speaker 2>really changed everything for me interest in mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we hear what happened now?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? Yeah? Yeah, so it was this event happened in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty. The podcast was going for a few years

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<v Speaker 2>and it was gaining a little bit of traction and popularity.

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<v Speaker 2>I was not yet able to really make any revenue

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<v Speaker 2>from it or any type of living, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>a really fun hobby and I was very passionate about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was kind of consuming my life because it

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<v Speaker 2>was so interesting and fun doing these like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>coming home from work a few times a week and

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<v Speaker 2>jumping on with one of my favorite authors or researchers

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<v Speaker 2>and talking about these crazy experiences or people who've had

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal encounters and experiencers and stuff, and those are some

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorite shows as well. But I wasn't I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know how to make that translate that into any

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<v Speaker 2>type of career, and it really didn't come across my radar.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought it would always be a fun hobby

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<v Speaker 2>that I'd do when i'd come home from my shitty job.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the time, I was really not happy with

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<v Speaker 2>my job. It was a corporate sales job, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was making decent money and comfortable enough, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't happy doing what I was doing. It was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of soul sucking work. So this one evening, I was

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<v Speaker 2>yet again not in the best frame of mind. I was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, happy doing the show, but everything else in

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<v Speaker 2>my life really wasn't going where I wanted it to go. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>coming out of another bad relationship, didn't know where the

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<v Speaker 2>hell did go. So I'm like, I've been doing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of spiritual shows at that time about meditation, and

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<v Speaker 2>I figured, you know what, I've been talking about this

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<v Speaker 2>a lot, maybe I should try meditation. And I had

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<v Speaker 2>tried it for a few times, and you know, not

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<v Speaker 2>really much success. Had a very busy mind. But this

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<v Speaker 2>one evening, it was early twenty twenty. It started out

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<v Speaker 2>I was out in my yard and talking to a

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<v Speaker 2>neighbor and I'm not even sure if what happened right

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<v Speaker 2>then had anything to do with the events that transpired

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<v Speaker 2>later that evening, but I looked up and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>what looked to be like three bright orange flames in

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<v Speaker 2>a triangular formation, just slowly moving up in the sky.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm looking at it, and I'm saying, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get my neighbor's attention to look at it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's talking and it's like he's oblivious to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden, these flames just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>slowly rise and boop, they like blip out of existence.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, that's pretty interesting. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea what it was, if it was a UFO

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<v Speaker 2>military whatever, I'll just file that in the interesting category.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just moved on with the evening and I

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<v Speaker 2>decided I was going to try and do some meditation.

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<v Speaker 2>And that week I had been getting some tips from

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<v Speaker 2>people about how to successfully get into a meditative state

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<v Speaker 2>involved some four point thirty two Hurtz tones and a

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<v Speaker 2>few other breathing techniques, and this time I was actually

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<v Speaker 2>able to get into a very peaceful state of mind

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<v Speaker 2>and to a very still state where it was nothing

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<v Speaker 2>but peaceful, dark weakness, and it was amazing, and I

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<v Speaker 2>really was able to clear a lot of the thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>I felt this like sensation of love is the only

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<v Speaker 2>thing I could describe. And as this sensation was building

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<v Speaker 2>inside of me, this blue bright light was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>emanating and getting brighter in my subconscious vision. And as

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<v Speaker 2>love I felt. And it was beyond any kind of

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<v Speaker 2>feeling of love. I knew it was love because it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was just that feeling, but it was so strong.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like I was intoxicated or drugged by something.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was incredible. And then there's this communication in

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, I know what I'm talking to myself.

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<v Speaker 2>This was something else and I could immediately tell. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, hey, are you ready to have a conversation?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, what the hell is? I thought I

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<v Speaker 2>was going crazy. I was raised Catholic, so I like

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<v Speaker 2>reverted to this a little dog men fear, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, in the name of Jesus Christ, are you good?

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<v Speaker 2>Or I thought I was being possessed by demons or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know. I heard some crazy stuff about people meditating,

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<v Speaker 2>like from growing up Catholic, from you know, religious dog men,

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<v Speaker 2>crazy people. But so I was kind of terrified hearing

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<v Speaker 2>this voice talking in my head. And it's immediately before

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<v Speaker 2>I could even finish asking if it was good or not,

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's was laughing and beaming these feelings of

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<v Speaker 2>love and saying of course I am, and it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of the communication was instantaneous and it was like immediate understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't really words, it was like just a knowing

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<v Speaker 2>of what was being conveyed. And you know, this whatever

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<v Speaker 2>this intelligence was laughing and saying no, I'm I've been

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<v Speaker 2>with you your whole life, you just have and we

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<v Speaker 2>haven't spoken yet. And I was like, okay, so let's talk.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't really meditating anymore, but it was there, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is crazy. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>So it continues to say that it's time for me

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<v Speaker 2>to get there, this voice conveyed was to do a

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<v Speaker 2>that very interesting that this voice was telling me. That

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<v Speaker 2>also said that I needed to quit this job and

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<v Speaker 2>do what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 2>continue doing it. And I was like, that's crazy. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it also conveyed that to assist in my journey and

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<v Speaker 2>healing process, to utilize psilocybin mushrooms. Now this sounds crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>but the last time I had ever done psychedelics was

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<v Speaker 2>a terrifying experience. I never thought I'd ever do that again.

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<v Speaker 2>But this voice was like, if you want to fast

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<v Speaker 2>So I again filed that in the interesting and this

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<v Speaker 2>whole time, I'm like, you know, am I having an

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<v Speaker 2>going on right now? And it continued to tell me about,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, things were going to how things were going

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<v Speaker 2>to unfold, not exact things, but things were going to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a little bit of tribulations. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>it gave me some advice on how to begin that

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<v Speaker 2>to look at in a spiritual sense. And this conversation

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<v Speaker 2>went on for like, I think, a couple of hours,

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<v Speaker 2>but the communication eventually just faded to where I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>really understand and it wasn't coming through anymore. So after that,

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<v Speaker 2>people that are in this space, Like, what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>just happened to me? I have no idea was an

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<v Speaker 2>alien communicating with me. I don't know. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>different understanding now. But time went on a few days

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just like, I have to experience this again.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the only way that I'll really be able to

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<v Speaker 2>move on and believe it. So I tried a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of nights in a row. Meditation didn't work, but one evening,

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<v Speaker 2>something intuitively told me to get in water. So I

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<v Speaker 2>got into Batha and this experience was extremely powerful. I

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<v Speaker 2>was able to get into that state really quick and laired.

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<v Speaker 2>The voice showed up and got to talk in a bit,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, I was brought into this

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<v Speaker 2>vision of an experience that I had when I was

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<v Speaker 2>didn't remember about it until then. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>came out of that and I was like, Dann's that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I was pretty emotional and it was a traumatic experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little worked up, and you know, layered

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<v Speaker 2>proceeded to just keep talking to me, and I eventually became,

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<v Speaker 2>you know curious again about what what are you? What

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what, Please tell me more about what

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<v Speaker 2>you are. He said. What I could tell you right

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<v Speaker 2>now is something along the lines of our kind finds

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<v Speaker 2>those that are ready to receive Christ consciousness awareness and

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<v Speaker 2>we spread this. And again I thought that was extremely interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>not sure what it meant. And then I was sort

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<v Speaker 2>of brought into this other vision where it looked like

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<v Speaker 2>I was staring out into space, but I was on

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<v Speaker 2>the Only thing I can say is like a space man.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like I was on a spaceship. I was

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<v Speaker 2>looking out these windows. But also I opened my eyes

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<v Speaker 2>from the meditative state, and I'm just in my bathroom

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<v Speaker 2>because I've kind of freaked out. I'm like, am I

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<v Speaker 2>really on a spaceship? But I opened my eyes. Nope,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in my bathroom. But I close my eyes again

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<v Speaker 2>and it's all still there. I'm in this other space.

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<v Speaker 2>When I close my eyes, there's and all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>these beings start to manifest in front of me, and

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<v Speaker 2>they are all like translucent, hooded humanoids, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>animal hybrid humanoids. Some of them looked like dogs, cats.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a frog hybrid human that was mainly speaking

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<v Speaker 2>to me, and they were beaming these like amazing feelings

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<v Speaker 2>of love. They proceeded to ask if I was ready

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<v Speaker 2>to fulfill my I believe this is what they said,

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<v Speaker 2>my mission for this in carnation on this planet. It's

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<v Speaker 2>time for me to step into that role. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yes, I'm ready, and it was like in

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<v Speaker 2>a crazy emotional moment, and again they're giving me more

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<v Speaker 2>information about how to proceed with everything. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>the most insane experience of my life until that point,

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<v Speaker 2>and it really changed everything for me. Within six months,

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<v Speaker 2>I quit my job. I took out my four oh

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<v Speaker 2>one K I quit my job and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm trusting in these crazy, weird beings that

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<v Speaker 2>appeared to me, and I'm gonna do this. So I

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<v Speaker 2>moved out to Colorado. My producer he was going out there,

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<v Speaker 2>so we moved out and we started to just pump

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<v Speaker 2>out content and start this podcast network. And for the

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<v Speaker 2>first couple of years it was terrifying. The money was

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<v Speaker 2>going very fast, and one day we just look at

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<v Speaker 2>the revenue and it's like, holy shit, we can pay

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<v Speaker 2>rent this mon and it just keep getting better. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>we can pay rent and eat this month and things

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<v Speaker 2>just continue to get better. But around the same time period.

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<v Speaker 2>I lived in Colorado and magic mushrooms had become legal

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<v Speaker 2>to grow at that time, so I said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>let me do this too. I started growing magic mushrooms.

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<v Speaker 2>Within a few months, I had nice batches, and I

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<v Speaker 2>proceeded to go through these vision quest healing journeys, and

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<v Speaker 2>in the beginning it was absolutely terrifying. I would have

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<v Speaker 2>very very profound but terrifying experiences, learning experiences, and the

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<v Speaker 2>more terrifying there were, the more healing they were. And

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, you know, if I'd come across like an

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<v Speaker 2>entity or a demon or something in these visions that

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<v Speaker 2>I have during these psychedelic states, it was like it

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<v Speaker 2>would represent a certain trauma or something that need to

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<v Speaker 2>be healed within myself, and I went I would face

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<v Speaker 2>that through that experience. It was a profoundly healing experience.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only that, my guide layered would show up

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of guide me through these psychedelic healing teaching experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd go in there with you know, very high

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<v Speaker 2>doses about four or five grams about once a month,

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<v Speaker 2>and just go in and learn and heal and have

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<v Speaker 2>these very profound experiences and encounters with intelligences, and some

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<v Speaker 2>of them, not all of them, were benevolent. Many of

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<v Speaker 2>them I was put in front of to learn and

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<v Speaker 2>experience things and learn what not to interact with. And

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that during those states, we are accessing different

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<v Speaker 2>levels of perception that we can't normally access. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it opens a door to different communication and energies and entities.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had such profound experiences with this, and it

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<v Speaker 2>really led to what I'm doing with the films now

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<v Speaker 2>and the understandings that I had. I had some insane experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>which if you want to hear about some of those, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we can touch on them.

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<v Speaker 1>I got me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you the most profound ones that I would

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<v Speaker 2>consider possibly paranormal in nature. And I don't do the

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<v Speaker 2>mushrooms anymore. I had stopped doing them about a year

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<v Speaker 2>ago because I believe that I got what I needed

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<v Speaker 2>from them. I got the message and I hung up

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<v Speaker 2>the phone. And the very last experience I had was

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<v Speaker 2>so extremely profound that it was just like, that's it,

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<v Speaker 2>this is all I need. And it provided so many

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<v Speaker 2>answers for me. And it wasn't just a visionary sense,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't just something that happened to me through the

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<v Speaker 2>psychedelic you know, subconscious where I was having a vision.

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<v Speaker 2>That was part of it, but it also brought me

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<v Speaker 2>physically somewhere so extremely meaningful and special. That was so unexpected.

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<v Speaker 2>And the synchronicity surrounding everything in that event, we're so profound.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to acknowledge the existence of a higher power

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<v Speaker 2>and something involved in my life. So that's my journey

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<v Speaker 2>in a nutshell and really how everything transpired.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, man, well I've got I've got a lot of questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, lay on me.

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<v Speaker 1>That is that? I mean wow? Firstly, incredible stuff man.

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<v Speaker 1>That that first time that you saw so you saw

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<v Speaker 1>the lights first, that sort of shot up and disappeared,

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<v Speaker 1>And that may have been a separate experience, but it

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<v Speaker 1>does seem like it's connected because you had that experience

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<v Speaker 1>the same night as well as that you saw you

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<v Speaker 1>met Jared. That is the right name of it, Jared.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's layered.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh lad, Sorry Lad? Not the night you connected with

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<v Speaker 1>Laird for the first time as well. Had you had

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<v Speaker 1>any experience anything like that before that moment?

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<v Speaker 2>No, negatory, I've had, you know, some strange synchronicities. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that my life was saved by unknown forces many

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<v Speaker 2>times when I was doing stupid things growing up. But

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<v Speaker 2>other than that, you know, I've never experienced anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you still talking to Laird now? Can you still community?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It's now. It's just like anytime, every day, all day.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I realized what Laired was. Uh Laired is, from

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<v Speaker 2>my understanding, is my higher self. It is that subconscious

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<v Speaker 2>voice that guides you throughout your life, that says, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you shouldn't do that, Hey put that down, stupid,

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<v Speaker 2>Hey stop messing with it. You know, these this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of guide that warns you and tells you good advice.

420
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<v Speaker 2>Not the voice that tells you your piece of shit

421
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.559
<v Speaker 2>or to go and murder and kill someone. No, that's

422
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:05.200
<v Speaker 2>not the one you listen to. But the good one.

423
00:25:05.640 --> 00:25:08.720
<v Speaker 2>I realized, and I'm connected that that's what it was.

424
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.359
<v Speaker 2>But it separated itself in a way so that it

425
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:14.759
<v Speaker 2>could communicate with me, and I believe many people experience this.

426
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>It's just a part of my subconscious whether you want

427
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.680
<v Speaker 2>to call it the spirit, guide, higher self, angel, whatever,

428
00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:26.480
<v Speaker 2>that's what I understand it to be. And I can

429
00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:29.640
<v Speaker 2>just access at any time and it'll reach out at

430
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:32.519
<v Speaker 2>any time when there's something important for me to understand.

431
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.039
<v Speaker 1>So it's like it's kind of like a feeling, would

432
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:37.599
<v Speaker 1>you say, And I know.

433
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.440
<v Speaker 2>It's the feeling like anytime you've had that little voice

434
00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:44.319
<v Speaker 2>in your head that's, you know, telling you something positive

435
00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:47.920
<v Speaker 2>or warning you against something doing stupid. I believe that

436
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:50.759
<v Speaker 2>that's what that is. But it presented itself to me

437
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 2>in a different way through those experiences.

438
00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:55.720
<v Speaker 1>Interesting man.

439
00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.200
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, yeah, but now it's just like the same thing.

440
00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I just understand it to be that. So there's really

441
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:01.759
<v Speaker 2>no separation.

442
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:08.440
<v Speaker 1>So if you wanted to to communicate now with that

443
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:15.119
<v Speaker 1>part of yourself, you can, well yeah, oh, definitely, interesting man.

444
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.519
<v Speaker 2>But it's not like I'm channeling anything or it's giving

445
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.559
<v Speaker 2>me profound information at all times. It just shows up

446
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.400
<v Speaker 2>when it needs to if I need to ask it

447
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:26.839
<v Speaker 2>a question about something. And it's not like I could

448
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.839
<v Speaker 2>ask it a question about anything in the world. It

449
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:31.960
<v Speaker 2>has to pertain with my life and things that I'm

450
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:36.279
<v Speaker 2>dealing with personally because it's my guide, so you know.

451
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.839
<v Speaker 2>But yes, I can really access at anytime.

452
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Can I You don't have to answer it, but can

453
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.799
<v Speaker 1>I ask you what happened that that last experience on mushrooms.

454
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.480
<v Speaker 1>That happened that you don't need to do this anymore.

455
00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:49.079
<v Speaker 1>What happened there? Man?

456
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:56.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So this experience was it's so profound. It took me, like,

457
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:59.799
<v Speaker 2>oh gosh, a couple of months to really integrate everything

458
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:05.079
<v Speaker 2>and get over it. It happened this past last May

459
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:07.519
<v Speaker 2>the fourth, May the fourth be with you all, yes,

460
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.400
<v Speaker 2>And it was so crazy. It was It was a

461
00:27:12.519 --> 00:27:15.480
<v Speaker 2>day like any other. Now, this day was also the

462
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>day I was planning on having a mushroom experience, and

463
00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:23.799
<v Speaker 2>it was my monthly journey. But earlier that day, my

464
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 2>wife had said, Hey, let's go to a metaphysical fair

465
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:28.839
<v Speaker 2>and see, you know, check it out. Those things are

466
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 2>usually fun. For some reason, I woke up that morning

467
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.960
<v Speaker 2>just with a feeling of dread and doom and I

468
00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:37.319
<v Speaker 2>didn't know why, and I didn't want to go to

469
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 2>this place, but I said screw it anyway, and we

470
00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 2>just went. And I just the closer we got to

471
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.039
<v Speaker 2>this place, the more knots I had in my stomach,

472
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:50.440
<v Speaker 2>the more sick I felt. And I just had this

473
00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:53.359
<v Speaker 2>uneasy feeling. I didn't know why. So I turn on

474
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:56.640
<v Speaker 2>the radio and every song that comes on is the

475
00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.599
<v Speaker 2>most depressing sad song, and I can't get away, Like,

476
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.119
<v Speaker 2>what the hell is going on? I'm not telling Jennifer

477
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 2>anybody about this. I'm like that, I don't know. Maybe

478
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:08.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm going nuts today, who knows. So we get to

479
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the place and I'm almost crawling out of my skin.

480
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:16.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm so anxious and just feeling uneasy. We're walking around

481
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:19.440
<v Speaker 2>and she's pointing out stuff and I'm like, yeah, all right,

482
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.960
<v Speaker 2>And we get to this one booth where this nice

483
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 2>lady is doing what's called aura photography. Now I'm not

484
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.200
<v Speaker 2>sure if it's legit or not. She claims to through

485
00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:35.359
<v Speaker 2>these photos. They show these bright lights around people, and

486
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 2>she claims that's their aura. She's able to read them

487
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.720
<v Speaker 2>and say what the colors mean and things like that.

488
00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.839
<v Speaker 2>I've heard some people say that this photography doesn't really

489
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 2>do that and those are shysters. Whatever. During this experience,

490
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:57.400
<v Speaker 2>it was very It kind of had a synchronistic feel

491
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>to it, and it puts some things together. So when

492
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 2>we wait up to this booth lady taking the orror photography,

493
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>my wife says, hey, why don't you get an aura photograph?

494
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 2>And now I really didn't want to, but I was like, Okay,

495
00:29:10.400 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>let's do it. So I go sit down. She takes

496
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the picture, and while waiting for it to develop, I'm

497
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:20.279
<v Speaker 2>looking at everybody's and they've got these, you know, beautiful

498
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.640
<v Speaker 2>colors around them. And mine comes out and it doesn't

499
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.039
<v Speaker 2>look like anybody else's that I see on the table.

500
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:29.680
<v Speaker 2>It's got like a rainbow. It's like yellow, red, blue, green,

501
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.680
<v Speaker 2>and all this crazy stuff. And she looks at it.

502
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 2>She goes, oh, you've got a lot going on. I said,

503
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 2>it looks like it. And she's telling me what she

504
00:29:40.559 --> 00:29:43.799
<v Speaker 2>sees in each color and she's like, oh, you're your

505
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.960
<v Speaker 2>throat chakra and the aura around that is very powerful.

506
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.119
<v Speaker 2>You use your voice for something. I'm like, hey, that's

507
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:53.799
<v Speaker 2>spot on. And my producer, Corey was he came there

508
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:56.160
<v Speaker 2>with us and he was there for shits and giggles

509
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.480
<v Speaker 2>because he's not a spiritual guy. He doesn't believe in

510
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:00.839
<v Speaker 2>the par normal, doesn't belie even any of that. He's

511
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.039
<v Speaker 2>a JFK researcher. And he just comes up and he's

512
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:06.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of giggling. He's like, so, how rich is he

513
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.759
<v Speaker 2>going to be? And she's like, well, I don't know,

514
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>because he doesn't have any specific beliefs he's scattered, and

515
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.640
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what does that mean? And I was thinking, wait,

516
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.839
<v Speaker 2>she's kind of right. I don't really, you know, have

517
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:27.039
<v Speaker 2>any real spiritual beliefs. I have considerations and curiosities, but

518
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:29.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what lies on the other side. At

519
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:32.680
<v Speaker 2>that point, I didn't really know if there was a god,

520
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 2>if this is a simulation, what the hell we're in,

521
00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:38.279
<v Speaker 2>if we're created by aliens, or what. I was considering

522
00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>it at all, and you know, I'd left there and

523
00:30:41.799 --> 00:30:43.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of like but hurt by what she said. I

524
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't really understand it of but I was trying to

525
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:47.799
<v Speaker 2>figure it out, and I was in a kind of

526
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:49.640
<v Speaker 2>like crisis mode after that. I was like, what the

527
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:52.279
<v Speaker 2>hell did she mean by that? I'm not going to

528
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.920
<v Speaker 2>be successful because I have too many considerations or not

529
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.039
<v Speaker 2>any beliefs. And I was like, oh man, it's a

530
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:01.079
<v Speaker 2>good thing. I'm going to be eating some mushrooms later.

531
00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I could figure this out. So I get home

532
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.960
<v Speaker 2>and I proceed to dose myself and within a couple

533
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.480
<v Speaker 2>hours in the experience, usually around this time, I can

534
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:17.400
<v Speaker 2>communicate with the higher self with laired, have a little

535
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.839
<v Speaker 2>conversation about things, or be you know, told some things

536
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:23.640
<v Speaker 2>I need to work on or whatever happens. This time,

537
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Laird shows up and he's like Ice, like, do you

538
00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 2>know what's up with with this? This lady's talking about

539
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>maybe you could give me in some insights into that.

540
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:35.440
<v Speaker 2>And the response was something I never got before, is like, nah,

541
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:38.039
<v Speaker 2>it's all right, you'll figure it out. I'm gonna leave

542
00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>you alone for this this evening. And I was like,

543
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.880
<v Speaker 2>what you're not? I was okay. It was the strangest

544
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:46.880
<v Speaker 2>thing because this has never happened. I was used. I'm

545
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 2>used to having the accompaniment of this kind of intelligence,

546
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.279
<v Speaker 2>his voice through these experiences, and it just jetted. So

547
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:58.039
<v Speaker 2>I was like, all right, well, I'm not sure to

548
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>do with this experience. So I went up state and

549
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>I started watching TV. And at this time, my producer

550
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:05.759
<v Speaker 2>was still at our house. He was hanging out a

551
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.400
<v Speaker 2>bit and he starts watching TV with me. His name's Corey,

552
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>and uh, we're watching TV and I'm just feeling weird

553
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 2>from that, you know, that interaction with my higher self.

554
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.119
<v Speaker 2>Don't know what's going on. So I bring him outside

555
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 2>and we're having a conversation about the network and things

556
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 2>that we're doing, and all of a sudden I start

557
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>to see this, I shit, you know, there's this thought

558
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 2>bubble that pops up around my head, and cycling through

559
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:36.720
<v Speaker 2>the thought bubble, I can see my past lives. I

560
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:39.240
<v Speaker 2>can see how many times I've been here, and it

561
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>was like it wasn't different lives, it was all this life,

562
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.279
<v Speaker 2>thousands and thousands of times, and it was showing me

563
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 2>how many times I've done this. And I turned to

564
00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Corey and I said, man, we've done this before many times.

565
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing it right now. We lived all these past lives,

566
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.640
<v Speaker 2>and I'm expected Corey to say, ah, whatever, manutrip and

567
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:10.119
<v Speaker 2>something stupid. But there were several times that proceeded through

568
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.319
<v Speaker 2>the night where something took over either took over my

569
00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 2>perception and spoke through Corey or something else was speaking

570
00:33:18.720 --> 00:33:21.039
<v Speaker 2>through him. That's all I could say. It wasn't him,

571
00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>because I asked him the next day, did you say

572
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>this and this and this? And He's like, I didn't

573
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>say any of that, and I was like, well, I

574
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't think so that doesn't sound like anything you would

575
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.319
<v Speaker 2>have ever say in your entire life. So I'm sitting

576
00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:36.039
<v Speaker 2>there telling him about this vision of my past lives

577
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and we've done this together. Many times, and he looks

578
00:33:38.920 --> 00:33:41.480
<v Speaker 2>at me and he just looks all stoic. He looks different,

579
00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:45.160
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, yeah, but he gets refined, doesn't it.

580
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:49.480
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, yeah, it looks like it's getting better.

581
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Speaker 2>It seems like I'm doing a little better each time.

582
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.640
<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden, I don't know where it

583
00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:00.720
<v Speaker 2>came from, but like, I started getting this flood of

584
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:05.799
<v Speaker 2>ego and mad at the world because of the situation

585
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:10.079
<v Speaker 2>we're in, and then the lack of awareness of people,

586
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.920
<v Speaker 2>and I was, you know, why can't people wake up enough?

587
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 2>And why are we still in this shitty situation just

588
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:18.519
<v Speaker 2>being mad at everyone else? And then he turns and

589
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:22.239
<v Speaker 2>looks at me again and again says something completely out

590
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.840
<v Speaker 2>of character. He's like, well, at some point, isn't at

591
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:30.280
<v Speaker 2>some point, isn't it just a reflection of yourself? And

592
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what the who are you? And my

593
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:38.199
<v Speaker 2>mind is my brain is blowing up. And after I'm

594
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:40.440
<v Speaker 2>sitting there kind of melting down for a minute wondering

595
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:44.480
<v Speaker 2>what's up with him, this knowing washes over me. And

596
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:49.039
<v Speaker 2>it was a knowing like I was I just knew

597
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:52.159
<v Speaker 2>that I was dead. This knowing like you died, you

598
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:55.679
<v Speaker 2>just died. You're dead right now. And I was like, what,

599
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:00.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've never really like been lied to through

600
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 2>these experiences to that extent, telling especially telling me something

601
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.800
<v Speaker 2>that messed up. But I just got this knowing washed

602
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:09.599
<v Speaker 2>over me that I have died and I am no

603
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:16.000
<v Speaker 2>longer in this realm. And I was like, hey, uh,

604
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.199
<v Speaker 2>my friend's just staring at me while I'm having this meltdown,

605
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:24.400
<v Speaker 2>not saying anything, and I said, I didn't die, and

606
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I don't know. Did you die? And I

607
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:29.800
<v Speaker 2>was like, no, no, this is just a vision. And

608
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:32.840
<v Speaker 2>then this knowing just came back. No, you're dead, and

609
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you might have died. And I was like, wait,

610
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.679
<v Speaker 2>what the what are you talking about? And I said,

611
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I said, wait, wait, I can't die. I have to

612
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:44.400
<v Speaker 2>go back. Is there a way I can go back?

613
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 2>I can go back right I'm just having a vision

614
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>or something. He's like, no, if you go back now,

615
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.000
<v Speaker 2>you got to start over all the way from the beginning.

616
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:55.840
<v Speaker 2>And I'm thinking, what, I gotta be reincarnated again, born again.

617
00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:58.519
<v Speaker 2>Hell no, I am not doing this again. And I

618
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.239
<v Speaker 2>just started freaking out and thinking what the hell did

619
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>I just die? And then he starts walking away. He

620
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.719
<v Speaker 2>goes downstairs, and I'm following him like freaking out, like

621
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 2>what do you mean I'm dead? And then he turns

622
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 2>around and everything's just back to It's Corey. It's just

623
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.320
<v Speaker 2>the normal hemning and he's like, dude, you're freaking out.

624
00:36:17.360 --> 00:36:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the hell you're talking about. Let's

625
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:22.639
<v Speaker 2>go watch some TV or something. And I'm like, what

626
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:24.400
<v Speaker 2>what the hell just happened? And it was kind of

627
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:27.760
<v Speaker 2>like I was back into reality a little bit, so,

628
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, I started to calm down. I was like, yeah,

629
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:35.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm dripping, man, this is crazy. But then a shit

630
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.039
<v Speaker 2>you not. I'm watching TV and this like demon face

631
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:42.400
<v Speaker 2>comes out of it and then growls at me. I

632
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>look over at Corey and he's a he's a corpse.

633
00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:49.280
<v Speaker 2>He's like white, he's got dark circles under his eyes,

634
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.559
<v Speaker 2>and he slowly looks at me and he says, all

635
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:56.440
<v Speaker 2>you gotta do is watch TV, man, It's okay, and

636
00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:59.239
<v Speaker 2>I jump up. I'm like uck no. I run to

637
00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>my bedroom where my wife is sleeping. I turn on

638
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 2>the light and I wake her up, and dude, she

639
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.079
<v Speaker 2>looks like a corpse too, and she's got like black circles,

640
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>She's all She's like. Then she starts yelling at me

641
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.920
<v Speaker 2>things that my wife would never yell at me, and

642
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:17.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what the fuck. I run outside and the

643
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:20.360
<v Speaker 2>entire neighborhood is pitch black. There's no street lights on,

644
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh shit, I did die. I'm dead,

645
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:28.039
<v Speaker 2>and I'm liking some kind of hell right now. And

646
00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 2>I start thinking what did I do to deserve being

647
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 2>in hell? And I'm like, oh, wait, does it because

648
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:37.159
<v Speaker 2>I didn't believe in anything? What the did I not

649
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.360
<v Speaker 2>believe is because I didn't believe in Jesus? So dude,

650
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I start like praying. I'm on my knees in my

651
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 2>backyard praying. I don't know where Corey is, I don't

652
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>know where my wife is. I'm just alone and it's

653
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 2>pitch black in the dark. So something just tells me, Look,

654
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 2>if I'm dead, I'm gonna go find God. I'm gonna

655
00:37:57.519 --> 00:38:00.880
<v Speaker 2>talk to him. I'm gonna work this out. So I

656
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:07.639
<v Speaker 2>literally start walking down the street and it it's my neighborhood,

657
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.000
<v Speaker 2>but it really wasn't my neighborhood. It was dark and

658
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 2>gloomy that every person I saw walking didn't look right,

659
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and if there was a couple, it looked like they're

660
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 2>whispering things about me to each other. The animals, like

661
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:24.440
<v Speaker 2>the dogs and cats looked all weird and messed up.

662
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:27.840
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, this is like some kind of hell

663
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.639
<v Speaker 2>or purgatory. And I'm walking down the street and then

664
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.719
<v Speaker 2>I start having a life review, like my whole life

665
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:38.519
<v Speaker 2>is flashing before my eyes, and I think this is

666
00:38:38.599 --> 00:38:42.880
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a long night. So I'm just walking and

667
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I get to the end of the street and I

668
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:49.480
<v Speaker 2>can turn left where it goes to a highway. And

669
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I see the highway and there's like cop cars and

670
00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 2>light set and shit, I don't want to mess with

671
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.199
<v Speaker 2>and like, if that's cop, that's like cops, that's authorities

672
00:38:57.199 --> 00:38:59.239
<v Speaker 2>in hell or something that's deemon. I don't want to

673
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.360
<v Speaker 2>go mess with. No Sorr. I turn around. I start

674
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.440
<v Speaker 2>walking in the other direction, and then I come to

675
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 2>a crossroad. I can take it right where it's kind

676
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.719
<v Speaker 2>of dark and gloomy in a neighborhood I've never been into,

677
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.800
<v Speaker 2>or I could go forward where it's lined by bright street

678
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:16.840
<v Speaker 2>lights and keep going that way. So I decide I'm

679
00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 2>gonna go follow the street lights. The first street light

680
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:25.320
<v Speaker 2>I walk under, it goes out. I'm like, shit, maybe

681
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't be going this way, as some just told me. No,

682
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have to go down that dark, gloomy road

683
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.760
<v Speaker 2>right there. So ah shit, I'm walking down there and

684
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:37.320
<v Speaker 2>it seems like I'm walking forever and ever, and I'm like,

685
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting anywhere. I don't know why, and I'm

686
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:44.480
<v Speaker 2>glad no one was around. But I just laid down

687
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.079
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the street. Laid down the middle

688
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 2>of the street and looked up at the stars, and

689
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, if anything's gonna happen, I'm either gonna be

690
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.159
<v Speaker 2>drug to hell or maybe an angel will come and

691
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:57.079
<v Speaker 2>lift me to Hell. I don't at this point, I

692
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know what happens when night after you die, what

693
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. So I'm staring at the stars and

694
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, well, if this is hell, the stars are

695
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.199
<v Speaker 2>at least pretty. It's you know, not so bad. And

696
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:13.960
<v Speaker 2>then my voice comes back layered, or at least it

697
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:15.920
<v Speaker 2>sounded like laired, but it was a little different, a

698
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.360
<v Speaker 2>little more powerful, a little more pronounced, and said, you know,

699
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 2>it's all about your perspective even in the afterlife. I

700
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, that's pretty interesting. So I sat up

701
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.639
<v Speaker 2>and I had this like kind of burst of hope,

702
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.679
<v Speaker 2>and the voice said look around for a light, but

703
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:38.880
<v Speaker 2>not with your eyes open, close your eyes. So I

704
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:42.440
<v Speaker 2>close my eyes and I'm looking, and at first I'm

705
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:45.599
<v Speaker 2>seeing like the you know, scary demon faces and things

706
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:47.639
<v Speaker 2>all around me. When I'm closing my eyes, I'm like,

707
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't see any light. So it's like, just kind

708
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 2>of look all around and close your eyes. So I did,

709
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 2>and I see this faded light kind of off in

710
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.559
<v Speaker 2>the distance, and I knew what direction that was, so

711
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.239
<v Speaker 2>I was like, all right, I'm heading towards that light.

712
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.000
<v Speaker 2>So I start walking, and all of a sudden, I'm

713
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>in a new neighborhood and the houses in this neighborhood

714
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:15.760
<v Speaker 2>are seem much nicer and bigger and brighter, and I'm like, wow,

715
00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:18.199
<v Speaker 2>this is this feels a little better. Maybe I'm headed

716
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:23.039
<v Speaker 2>in the right direction. Excuse me. So there's this one

717
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.400
<v Speaker 2>house towards the end of the street, and it's brighter

718
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>than all of the others, it has more street lights,

719
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 2>and it has the biggest welcome sign I've ever seen,

720
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:36.440
<v Speaker 2>big front porch and a swing and I'm like, shit,

721
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 2>is that it do I have to go there? And

722
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking, you know what, i'mna go knock on somebody's

723
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:45.400
<v Speaker 2>door and either they're gonna call the cops on me,

724
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 2>and it's gonna be the Hell Police and I'm gonna

725
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.199
<v Speaker 2>be brought to the devil and I'll give him a

726
00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:53.760
<v Speaker 2>piece of my mind, or the opposite, it'll be an

727
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 2>angel and I'll go the opposite direction. This is what's

728
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:58.639
<v Speaker 2>going through in my mind as I think I'm dead

729
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:01.880
<v Speaker 2>walking through my neighborhood. So I said, screw it. I

730
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.679
<v Speaker 2>go and ring the doorbell and this beautiful blond haired

731
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.119
<v Speaker 2>lady opens up the door and she says, can I

732
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:13.960
<v Speaker 2>help you? Looking pretty concerned, I said, is this where

733
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm supposed to be? And she's like, uh, hold on.

734
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>She closed the door, and just a couple of minutes later,

735
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:28.480
<v Speaker 2>this very tall, large, very loving, friendly man with this

736
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:32.400
<v Speaker 2>glowing aura around him comes to the door and he's like,

737
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.199
<v Speaker 2>can I help you, son? And I just looked at him.

738
00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:40.280
<v Speaker 2>I said I think I'm dead. He's like, oh, okay, well,

739
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:42.639
<v Speaker 2>let's see shake my hand. I shook his hand and

740
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I feel you. You're here, you're talking. I

741
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:48.880
<v Speaker 2>don't think you're dead. Could it be anything else? I said,

742
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I took some mushrooms earlier, but nah,

743
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:56.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure I'm dead. And he's like, all right, well,

744
00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:00.679
<v Speaker 2>would you like to pray with me? And I said yes?

745
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:03.400
<v Speaker 2>And I was like thinking, this is it. This is it.

746
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm being brought to heaven by this man. And you know,

747
00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:08.880
<v Speaker 2>we get down and he's praying with me, and I'm

748
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:11.840
<v Speaker 2>all emotional, crying. I couldn't remember what prayer he said.

749
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:14.760
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, would you like to go home? And

750
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is it. I'm going to heaven. I

751
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:22.079
<v Speaker 2>said yes, and he says where do you live? I said,

752
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:25.400
<v Speaker 2>how am I supposed to get back there? I thought

753
00:43:25.400 --> 00:43:28.719
<v Speaker 2>we were going you know. He's like, I don't know

754
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.119
<v Speaker 2>what you mean, but I can bring you home. And

755
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I said all right, well, I'm not sure which where

756
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 2>I came from, but I think it's somewhere in this vicinity.

757
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:39.360
<v Speaker 2>He's like, give me your dress, I'll GPS it. I

758
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:41.719
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeall, guy's got GPS. I'm thinking he's an

759
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:45.440
<v Speaker 2>angel or something. And so we get in this big,

760
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:48.760
<v Speaker 2>beautiful white truck and he's bringing me home. I'm talking

761
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:50.760
<v Speaker 2>to him he's asking me what I do tell him

762
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.119
<v Speaker 2>about the show, and I'm like, yeah, we prayed, Hi,

763
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.880
<v Speaker 2>you're into Jesus. I maybe should give him a shout

764
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.639
<v Speaker 2>out every once in a while on my show. I

765
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:03.199
<v Speaker 2>get back to my place and I see the door

766
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, I'm just supposed to go and just

767
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.920
<v Speaker 2>walk in there and everything's that's it. He's like, I

768
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:10.000
<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe you should go just walk in and

769
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:12.719
<v Speaker 2>find out. So I was like, fine, all right, and

770
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.360
<v Speaker 2>I give him the biggest hug and I'm like, thank you.

771
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea what to expect. I go and

772
00:44:18.360 --> 00:44:21.880
<v Speaker 2>open the door and my wife is there, my roommates,

773
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Cory's there, and they're freaking out and they're like,

774
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:26.360
<v Speaker 2>where the hell were you? And they're back to normal.

775
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:30.039
<v Speaker 2>They're not dead, they're perfectly fine, worried a shit about me,

776
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:33.519
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I don't know, and I just went

777
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 2>grab a bottle of wine. I said, I can't talk

778
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:39.519
<v Speaker 2>about anything right now. I just slammed the whole damn

779
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:43.760
<v Speaker 2>thing and just tried to pass out. I was I

780
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.760
<v Speaker 2>was like a broken psyche at that point. I had

781
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:51.360
<v Speaker 2>no idea what the hell just happened. So the next day,

782
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:53.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't know what to do. I'm gonna

783
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 2>go for a hike. I get my dog. I start

784
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 2>to get in the car to go to the hiking park,

785
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:03.199
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, no, something just tells me I'm going

786
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 2>find this dude. So I didn't even know how. I

787
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:08.199
<v Speaker 2>just started driving and somehow I drove right up to

788
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:11.840
<v Speaker 2>his house. I got out and I knocked on the

789
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 2>door and it was his wife answered the door and

790
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:16.840
<v Speaker 2>she said, Chris, I'm so glad you're all right. She

791
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.199
<v Speaker 2>gives me a big hug, and you know, ask me

792
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:25.320
<v Speaker 2>how everything is. And she's like, I'm not gonna say

793
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.039
<v Speaker 2>his name, but Pastor so and so is giving a

794
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 2>sermon today? Would you like to come to church? And

795
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:34.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, shit, man, I this is obviously this all

796
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.960
<v Speaker 2>happened for a reason. Yes, let me let me go.

797
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.960
<v Speaker 2>So I hadn't been to church in years and I

798
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 2>get there and I'm I didn't know what to expect.

799
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm like terrified. Am I gonna have to leave my

800
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:51.920
<v Speaker 2>life behind and go praise the Lord and be dogmatic

801
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and afraid of hell and all the things that I

802
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:55.960
<v Speaker 2>hated as a child? Is that what I have to

803
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:59.480
<v Speaker 2>turn into night. I was like, oh God. I get

804
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:03.360
<v Speaker 2>to the church and I just start to get these

805
00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:08.480
<v Speaker 2>downloads and knowing like, all right, dude, we put you

806
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:12.679
<v Speaker 2>through this whole life. We led you to this career

807
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 2>that is giving you such you know, happiness and success

808
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 2>in your life, and you're learning so many secrets of

809
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:23.920
<v Speaker 2>the universe and the occult and magic and spirituality. We're

810
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 2>not gonna just draw you off of that path because

811
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:31.199
<v Speaker 2>something profound happened to you. But this did happen for

812
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:33.719
<v Speaker 2>a reason, and there's an extreme meaning behind it.

813
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.239
<v Speaker 1>And I start to.

814
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Look around at everybody in the church and I start

815
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:41.599
<v Speaker 2>to sense like kind of the same feeling I had

816
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.000
<v Speaker 2>is a kid, this fear of going to Hell, this

817
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:48.800
<v Speaker 2>kind of drive to be a Christian because you don't

818
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:52.000
<v Speaker 2>want to go to Hell, and that's fear based. And

819
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I saw that in these people, and I'm like, yeah,

820
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.119
<v Speaker 2>this is not what I wanted. This is like, well,

821
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's your chance to share a different perspective on

822
00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:06.960
<v Speaker 2>what Christianity should be. And I'm like, WHOA. They're like,

823
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.800
<v Speaker 2>you know all these mystery school teachings, you know, all

824
00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.239
<v Speaker 2>these ancient esoteric teachings. You know how it is all

825
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:17.599
<v Speaker 2>derived from the same thing, but exploited and inverted and

826
00:47:18.119 --> 00:47:24.559
<v Speaker 2>weaponized for the modern parasitic ruling class. But there is genuine,

827
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:30.760
<v Speaker 2>real spiritual teachings in there that connect everything together. And

828
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.599
<v Speaker 2>I just started to get all these realizations about that,

829
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to have a talk with the preacher

830
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:38.519
<v Speaker 2>after and I told him everything. I told them about

831
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.719
<v Speaker 2>what I do, told them how I feel about everything,

832
00:47:40.840 --> 00:47:44.400
<v Speaker 2>told them what happened. And unfortunately he was kind of

833
00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:47.800
<v Speaker 2>put off and concerned and scared by everything, and like

834
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.599
<v Speaker 2>didn't kind of wanted to distance himself from me. And

835
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, yeah, this is what it is, man. We

836
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:58.360
<v Speaker 2>need to change these people's perspectives on their spiritual beliefs

837
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:05.159
<v Speaker 2>because I understand that, yes, Jesus is a path to

838
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:10.880
<v Speaker 2>salvation or heaven or exiting the matrix. The teachings of Jesus,

839
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.159
<v Speaker 2>even if you don't want to believe that it's real,

840
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:16.960
<v Speaker 2>those teachings, those fundamental, easy little steps to follow to

841
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:20.639
<v Speaker 2>love thy neighbor, easy teachings I believe are the keys

842
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.159
<v Speaker 2>to exit out of here. I think that's all we

843
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:25.079
<v Speaker 2>need to know in this life, that's all we need

844
00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:27.920
<v Speaker 2>to live by. And it solves all the damn problems.

845
00:48:28.519 --> 00:48:31.320
<v Speaker 2>But there's also plenty of other spiritual teachings that say

846
00:48:31.360 --> 00:48:35.239
<v Speaker 2>the same exact thing. I think they're all puzzle pieces.

847
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:38.039
<v Speaker 2>We just need to put those together and have a

848
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:42.880
<v Speaker 2>better understanding. And for everything came kind of full circle

849
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:48.559
<v Speaker 2>to me. I do consider myself a follower of Jesus Christians,

850
00:48:48.599 --> 00:48:52.559
<v Speaker 2>although I don't follow any religion. I don't identify as

851
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:56.880
<v Speaker 2>a Christian per se. But it's simple enough for me

852
00:48:57.280 --> 00:48:59.639
<v Speaker 2>and good enough for me to follow those teachings and

853
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.559
<v Speaker 2>call it to day and say that's my spiritual beliefs,

854
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:05.840
<v Speaker 2>and I have to thank that whole experience for bringing

855
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 2>me there and at least giving me that belief. Yeah.

856
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:16.599
<v Speaker 1>Wow, man, that is wild, but yeah, super interesting.

857
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:16.880
<v Speaker 2>Man.

858
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:21.000
<v Speaker 1>What an experienced did you take so that night that

859
00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.039
<v Speaker 1>you the last night that you took the mushrooms? Was that?

860
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Was that more than you would normally take? No, that

861
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:31.239
<v Speaker 1>experience so you're used to that dosage basically, it's interesting,

862
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.079
<v Speaker 1>so it's kind of it was to happen.

863
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.559
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy because when I first started, I would be

864
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:39.519
<v Speaker 2>taking you know, I always took about three to five

865
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:45.199
<v Speaker 2>grams every time. The experiences in the beginning, they weren't

866
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.880
<v Speaker 2>as profound as they grew to be. That I'd see

867
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:52.559
<v Speaker 2>the kind of lights and the swirls and the pretty colors,

868
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:56.840
<v Speaker 2>but most of the experience would be cerebral, I you know,

869
00:49:56.920 --> 00:50:02.199
<v Speaker 2>coming through thoughts and emotions. But the experiences eventually turned

870
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:08.239
<v Speaker 2>into very immersive visual and even out of body experiences

871
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:12.519
<v Speaker 2>at times. And from what I understand, it kind of

872
00:50:12.559 --> 00:50:17.840
<v Speaker 2>reconnects these neural pathways and allows for more access the

873
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:19.719
<v Speaker 2>more that you are utilizing it.

874
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:26.280
<v Speaker 1>Interested Matt, does Corey and your wife remember that night

875
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:29.800
<v Speaker 1>and sort of remember how you were behaving and what

876
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:32.679
<v Speaker 1>was going on, What was they saying, What was their

877
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:33.480
<v Speaker 1>memory of that?

878
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:40.440
<v Speaker 2>They remember everything that happened, except Corey didn't say those

879
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 2>things to me. He remembers me freaking out. He remembers

880
00:50:44.159 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 2>me saying things like I thought I was dead. He

881
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:50.480
<v Speaker 2>remembers me leaving the house and going in the backyard,

882
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:52.239
<v Speaker 2>but he thought I was just going hang out in

883
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.079
<v Speaker 2>the backyard for a bit like I usually do, and

884
00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:00.840
<v Speaker 2>no big deal. My wife, she was half asleep when

885
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.840
<v Speaker 2>I came in there, and she was just upset that

886
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I turned the lights on and kind of woke her

887
00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:07.880
<v Speaker 2>up and She's like, what the hell are you doing?

888
00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:11.400
<v Speaker 2>That's what she actually said, And in my perspective, she's

889
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.719
<v Speaker 2>like cursing and flailing and throwing, like that's what I

890
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:17.800
<v Speaker 2>was seeing. But she was like, no, I just asked

891
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:20.159
<v Speaker 2>what you were doing, and I was all confused, and

892
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:22.199
<v Speaker 2>you ran out and I was like, oh, She's like

893
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.320
<v Speaker 2>and she just figured I was tripping. So she just

894
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:28.639
<v Speaker 2>went back to bed, and you know, next thing, you know,

895
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:31.360
<v Speaker 2>I think she had woken up a little while later

896
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:34.599
<v Speaker 2>looking for me. I wasn't anywhere around, and Corey was.

897
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:37.519
<v Speaker 2>He was immersed in like a video game. He completely

898
00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:39.840
<v Speaker 2>forgot about me, and there was like, well, I don't

899
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.320
<v Speaker 2>know where he is. They weren't gonna call the cops.

900
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.199
<v Speaker 2>They figured i'd eventually make it back, which luckily I did. So.

901
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, wow, I mean seeing like the demonic faces

902
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:53.039
<v Speaker 3>and stuff like that, and the whole walk the how

903
00:51:53.039 --> 00:51:57.159
<v Speaker 3>you described it, it sounds pretty scary. It was terrified

904
00:51:57.320 --> 00:51:59.159
<v Speaker 3>the people and they're sort of like you think they're

905
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:01.239
<v Speaker 3>whispering and talking about you and stuff like that.

906
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that must have been. That must have been a trip.

907
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there's one more experience that I could tell you about.

908
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:14.519
<v Speaker 2>That was extremely immersive, and I couldn't say if it

909
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:17.599
<v Speaker 2>was really paranormal, but I do believe it had a

910
00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:21.360
<v Speaker 2>spiritual nature to it. I do believe that I connected

911
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:26.119
<v Speaker 2>with something that was leading me and guiding me in

912
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a certain direction. But this experience was also pretty terrifying,

913
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:33.039
<v Speaker 2>and believe it or not, after this experience, I went

914
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 2>back the next month after it. But this one was

915
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:40.159
<v Speaker 2>probably the second most terrifying experience. Now. Even though the

916
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.000
<v Speaker 2>last one I told you about was extremely beneficial and

917
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.440
<v Speaker 2>ended up being like life changing and wonderful, it was

918
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:50.679
<v Speaker 2>terrifying at the time. This one was almost just as terrifying,

919
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:55.599
<v Speaker 2>but it took me probably longer to get over this

920
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:59.000
<v Speaker 2>experience I'm about to tell you about because it was crazy.

921
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.199
<v Speaker 2>So I was with at this time. It was before

922
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:04.360
<v Speaker 2>I was with my wife. It was an ext girlfriend

923
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:11.599
<v Speaker 2>and I had kind of somewhat started doing the mushroom journeys.

924
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:16.159
<v Speaker 2>It was probably a year into it, and she was

925
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:21.440
<v Speaker 2>a she's a psychic medium, spiritual healer, and we met

926
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:25.679
<v Speaker 2>through my show, and you know, it seemed cool. We

927
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:31.559
<v Speaker 2>had kind of a mutually beneficial relationship living together, and

928
00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I really wasn't expecting much out of it. Although I

929
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't really try to, you know, get that deep into

930
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the relationship per se, but it was mutually beneficial and

931
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:47.320
<v Speaker 2>she did seem at the time like a nice enough person.

932
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:52.480
<v Speaker 2>So she had never done psilocybin mushrooms before, and she

933
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.360
<v Speaker 2>asked if we could go and have an experience together.

934
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I said sure, So I dozed her, dosed myself, and

935
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it's like almost two hours later and she says she

936
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:06.679
<v Speaker 2>doesn't feel anything. Nothing. That's very strange. I'm off my boarge.

937
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.440
<v Speaker 2>So I ended up giving her about five grams, which

938
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:12.679
<v Speaker 2>is a lot, especially for the first time you're having

939
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:16.719
<v Speaker 2>a mushroom experience, and she says, nope, don't feel anything.

940
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Is I feel kind of sleepy? And I was like,

941
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.079
<v Speaker 2>that is really weird. I've never heard of that before.

942
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:24.440
<v Speaker 2>But whatever, I guess it's I'm by myself in this.

943
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, oh, well, hey, let's do a healing

944
00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:33.800
<v Speaker 2>regression to try and heal some childhood trauma or something

945
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:36.079
<v Speaker 2>along those lines, because she does that for you know,

946
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:38.679
<v Speaker 2>she did that for her job and things like that.

947
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:40.920
<v Speaker 2>So I was like, you know, I trusted her, sure

948
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.079
<v Speaker 2>didn't know would it'd be like doing it under the

949
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 2>influence of psilocybin, but I went with it that itself

950
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:53.119
<v Speaker 2>went fine. I mean, that experience seemed pretty beneficial. It

951
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:58.119
<v Speaker 2>seemed like we got through everything okay. And afterwards, we

952
00:54:58.119 --> 00:55:02.199
<v Speaker 2>were just having a conversation about things, and I'm talking

953
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:05.360
<v Speaker 2>to her, looking at her, and I noticed that the

954
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.840
<v Speaker 2>thing she starts to saying don't really pertain to the

955
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:12.079
<v Speaker 2>conversation we're just having and aren't making sense anymore. And

956
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I look at her and she says, you know, when

957
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:19.519
<v Speaker 2>I found you, I attached myself. I gave you love,

958
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:21.719
<v Speaker 2>I help you get where you were, and now I

959
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 2>sent you don't love me anymore. And as she said,

960
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:28.800
<v Speaker 2>I sent you don't love me anymore, I shit you not.

961
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:35.519
<v Speaker 2>She shape shifted into a reptilian like lizard person. She

962
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:39.400
<v Speaker 2>even grew a couple of feet taller. She was wearing

963
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.360
<v Speaker 2>my ex girlfriend's nightgown, but she was a lizard beast

964
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.519
<v Speaker 2>and she had the yellow ass and the arty teeth,

965
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:49.840
<v Speaker 2>yellow eyes, and I'm like, what duff? And she was

966
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.679
<v Speaker 2>taller than me, and I'm like, oh my god. I

967
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:57.400
<v Speaker 2>start running and I can hear stomping behind me and saying,

968
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.320
<v Speaker 2>you don't love me anymore? And I was like what

969
00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:02.480
<v Speaker 2>the hell is going on? I run down to my

970
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:07.559
<v Speaker 2>basement and I locked myself in there, and like, I'm wondering,

971
00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:11.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, did I overdose on mushrooms? Is did I die?

972
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Is this hell? I don't know what the hell is

973
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:16.480
<v Speaker 2>going on? Never had such a profound visionary experience like this.

974
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:21.760
<v Speaker 2>And then my entire basement and house changes into like

975
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.360
<v Speaker 2>this dungeon. I can look outside and there's like bars

976
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:28.480
<v Speaker 2>on my windows, and the sky is like blood red,

977
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and everything's different and dingy, and I'm like, holy shit,

978
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:36.239
<v Speaker 2>what is going on? I run back upstairs. I managed

979
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:39.559
<v Speaker 2>to like dodge the reptilian and get into my room

980
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:42.840
<v Speaker 2>and turn on the shower. I didn't know what to do.

981
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Jump in the shower. I'm like, I'm just gonna maybe

982
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.280
<v Speaker 2>it'll knock this stuff out of me, wake me up.

983
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. So water's running over me. I didn't

984
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:54.000
<v Speaker 2>know what to do, so I start praying. I was like,

985
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.840
<v Speaker 2>God help man. As soon as I said that, I

986
00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:01.440
<v Speaker 2>felt this like rumbling within my stomach, within my whole body,

987
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:04.840
<v Speaker 2>and this voice came over me and said you're being

988
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:09.840
<v Speaker 2>deceived right now, and I puked up this black like

989
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:14.519
<v Speaker 2>viscous oily goop stuff went straight down the drain, but

990
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:18.639
<v Speaker 2>it was nasty looking. And as I puked up that

991
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:24.480
<v Speaker 2>black stuff, everything snapped back to normal and I felt

992
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:28.360
<v Speaker 2>like amazing, And I felt this loving presence in that

993
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:31.719
<v Speaker 2>room with me, and everything was cool, and I was

994
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:36.400
<v Speaker 2>like oh. And I walked back outside and my ex

995
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:40.239
<v Speaker 2>girlfriend sit there like what happened? And again I'm like,

996
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:42.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I don't want to talk about it.

997
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:49.639
<v Speaker 2>So the following days and weeks from this is when

998
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:53.760
<v Speaker 2>I started to realize what the experience was about. She

999
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:58.599
<v Speaker 2>started showing me a different personality. She started being very cold, materialistic,

1000
00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:05.159
<v Speaker 2>downright nasty at times, starting arguments, a very reptilian type nature,

1001
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:08.679
<v Speaker 2>to a point to where I had to break it

1002
00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:11.159
<v Speaker 2>off and kick her out. She you know, even tried

1003
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:15.239
<v Speaker 2>like extorting money, all kinds of crazy stuff. So I

1004
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.480
<v Speaker 2>was like, holy shit. I realized, and I believe this

1005
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:22.480
<v Speaker 2>is what happened the mushrooms, and my subconscious was trying

1006
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:26.239
<v Speaker 2>to alert me that there's something wrong with this woman.

1007
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:29.440
<v Speaker 2>There's a reptilian like nature to her, and I don't

1008
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.639
<v Speaker 2>think she you know, she didn't really shape shift into

1009
00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:34.960
<v Speaker 2>her reptilian but I believe I was able to perceive

1010
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:39.000
<v Speaker 2>something about her, and it was like a warning to me,

1011
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:41.679
<v Speaker 2>like this is what you're with. You better you know,

1012
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:42.679
<v Speaker 2>watch out.

1013
00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Wow man, Yeah, Scott, I was gonna say, you don't

1014
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:47.880
<v Speaker 1>actually think she was a reptilian?

1015
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:50.840
<v Speaker 2>No, No, I don't think so. I mean anything's possible,

1016
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:52.159
<v Speaker 2>but I don't.

1017
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Think, man, that is wild. So before before that experience,

1018
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.480
<v Speaker 1>did you have any sign that he was going to

1019
00:59:00.559 --> 00:59:02.440
<v Speaker 1>turn that way or was that like?

1020
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:04.320
<v Speaker 2>No, And I think I was just kind of I

1021
00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:06.079
<v Speaker 2>think I was kind of blind to it. I think

1022
00:59:06.079 --> 00:59:08.920
<v Speaker 2>I had my blinders on with everything, you know, attractive

1023
00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:12.519
<v Speaker 2>woman and she was treating me nice enough, and she

1024
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:14.599
<v Speaker 2>at the time was spending money on me, so I

1025
00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:16.760
<v Speaker 2>thought it was a pretty good thing. And maybe I

1026
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:19.800
<v Speaker 2>was blind to some of her behaviors, but it was

1027
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:24.119
<v Speaker 2>very clear. It like took those glass those goggles off

1028
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:26.360
<v Speaker 2>me that experience, and I was able to see things

1029
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:27.039
<v Speaker 2>much clearer.

1030
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:27.679
<v Speaker 3>Man.

1031
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.199
<v Speaker 1>Did you tell her that you saw as a real

1032
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<v Speaker 1>that night?

1033
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I told her everything, and she's like, oh, wow, that's crazy.

1034
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you shouldn't do mushrooms anymore, man.

1035
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.599
<v Speaker 1>So normally when you do the mushrooms, it's a positive

1036
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:44.639
<v Speaker 1>experience and you're learning something from it. But I mean,

1037
00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:48.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean in a weird way, these scary experiences that

1038
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:50.400
<v Speaker 1>they're positive as well. You're learning.

1039
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:56.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like i'd say, sixty forty mix positive and terrifying.

1040
00:59:57.079 --> 01:00:01.320
<v Speaker 2>The terrifying ones for me were they weren't that, you know,

1041
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:04.079
<v Speaker 2>profound like the ones I just told you all the time.

1042
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:06.480
<v Speaker 2>But there'd be instances where I would have to face

1043
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:10.519
<v Speaker 2>something scary and it usually represented some kind of trauma

1044
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.480
<v Speaker 2>or emotion that I didn't want to deal with and

1045
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.400
<v Speaker 2>or some kind of something in my subconscious that was

1046
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:21.199
<v Speaker 2>really weighing on me, and it'd present itself and sometimes

1047
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:24.440
<v Speaker 2>very terrifying ways. But after I'd face that and kind

1048
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:27.079
<v Speaker 2>of work through the muck, it would always turn into

1049
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:29.760
<v Speaker 2>something beautiful and beneficial in the end.

1050
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.639
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, man, So going back to that time when when

1051
01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:36.960
<v Speaker 1>this sort of first started and you had that experience

1052
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.079
<v Speaker 1>in the bathtub where you saw the entities, you weren't

1053
01:00:40.079 --> 01:00:43.519
<v Speaker 1>on mushrooms at that time. Was that was just you

1054
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:44.800
<v Speaker 1>were just seeing that meditate.

1055
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was just kind of in a meditative state.

1056
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you think those entities were real? Are?

1057
01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:50.159
<v Speaker 3>They?

1058
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:50.480
<v Speaker 2>Were?

1059
01:00:50.480 --> 01:00:50.880
<v Speaker 1>They real?

1060
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.079
<v Speaker 2>Entities? Real?

1061
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:53.920
<v Speaker 3>What is real?

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01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:00.559
<v Speaker 2>So in my perspective, what I understand now is that

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01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:05.360
<v Speaker 2>just beyond our perception, there is an ecosystem of life forms,

1064
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:10.800
<v Speaker 2>but it also represents our within our innerverse, our subconscious,

1065
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:12.840
<v Speaker 2>and I think it's all connected. I think it's all

1066
01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:16.320
<v Speaker 2>the same thing. I think that by going within ourselves,

1067
01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:21.039
<v Speaker 2>there's an entire universe of spectrum of intelligences and beings

1068
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:26.199
<v Speaker 2>that can also be attributed to what we consider to

1069
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:30.599
<v Speaker 2>be you know, interdimensional beings and you know, as above

1070
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.639
<v Speaker 2>so below. I think it's all connected to us. I

1071
01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:36.159
<v Speaker 2>think it's all a part of us. You want to

1072
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:42.280
<v Speaker 2>call them aggrigors. But I think there's also this fractalized

1073
01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:45.639
<v Speaker 2>separation to where it is something else. It's it's all

1074
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:48.760
<v Speaker 2>of us. It's everything put together, it's all of the

1075
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.920
<v Speaker 2>collective field, and all of our thoughts put together, all

1076
01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:56.159
<v Speaker 2>of our histories, everything we've ever experienced, can present itself

1077
01:01:56.639 --> 01:01:58.960
<v Speaker 2>as whatever it wants us to see it as. And

1078
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:04.719
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what we're experiencing with paranormal experiences, extraterrestrials,

1079
01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:12.440
<v Speaker 2>even possibly some cryptid sightings, is the manifestation of these

1080
01:02:12.440 --> 01:02:17.400
<v Speaker 2>inner intelligences that communicate with us, and most of the

1081
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:22.719
<v Speaker 2>very profound paranormal contact experiences. The information conveyed during those

1082
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:27.880
<v Speaker 2>were for that person and had a very personal type

1083
01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:30.280
<v Speaker 2>of path that they were let on and gave them

1084
01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:35.199
<v Speaker 2>information to either benefit them or help them along their path.

1085
01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:44.719
<v Speaker 2>And that's my current understanding of these other intelligences, angels, demons, aliens,

1086
01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:51.239
<v Speaker 2>interdimensional beings. I think it's all part of that ultra

1087
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:53.920
<v Speaker 2>terrestrial ecosystem, if you will.

1088
01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:58.519
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Man, what I find so interested is I've never

1089
01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:01.239
<v Speaker 1>done psychedelics myself, talk to a lot of people that have,

1090
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not I'm not against anything like that. Maybe

1091
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:07.360
<v Speaker 1>one day I will, I don't know. But so many

1092
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:09.840
<v Speaker 1>people have the same sort of experiences and see the

1093
01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:13.239
<v Speaker 1>same entities you know, and describe the same things that

1094
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:16.239
<v Speaker 1>everyone And it's for me, it's like, is that is

1095
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:20.440
<v Speaker 1>are they real entities? Are we tapping into another dimension

1096
01:03:20.719 --> 01:03:22.840
<v Speaker 1>or you know? I know it's a difficult one because

1097
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:24.800
<v Speaker 1>we don't know, but I do find it.

1098
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Since I think I think they are real if you

1099
01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:32.960
<v Speaker 2>want to simplify things, I think we're we have the

1100
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:38.599
<v Speaker 2>ability to communicate with something that has more knowledge and

1101
01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:44.719
<v Speaker 2>understanding than our immediate incarnation here and what our consciousness

1102
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.920
<v Speaker 2>is capable of. And I think they can be tapped into.

1103
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.559
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what a lot of ritual magic does.

1104
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:57.000
<v Speaker 2>It gets the attention of these cosmic intelligences and you

1105
01:03:57.000 --> 01:04:00.639
<v Speaker 2>can utilize them to work with you. And it's I

1106
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:04.880
<v Speaker 2>think it also all goes back to archetypes and thought

1107
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:07.400
<v Speaker 2>forms and what we put out there. And I think

1108
01:04:07.400 --> 01:04:11.000
<v Speaker 2>there's these what we would call like eternal archetypes that

1109
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:14.519
<v Speaker 2>have always been around, these intelligences that have always guided

1110
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:19.119
<v Speaker 2>to humanity. But as we've evolved and as we've grown,

1111
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:22.840
<v Speaker 2>we feed these things information and they present themselves differently.

1112
01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:24.960
<v Speaker 2>If you look at the UFO phenomena, how it has

1113
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:31.239
<v Speaker 2>evolved over the years. Used to be airships and then saucers.

1114
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Before that, it was chariots in the sky. Now we're

1115
01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:39.920
<v Speaker 2>seeing the plasma balls and the orbs, and it seems

1116
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.280
<v Speaker 2>to at times even be more technological. It seems to

1117
01:04:43.559 --> 01:04:49.599
<v Speaker 2>evolve with the collective consciousness understanding of things. So that

1118
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:53.719
<v Speaker 2>tells me it's something more than little green men coming

1119
01:04:53.760 --> 01:04:54.960
<v Speaker 2>from other planets.

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01:04:55.280 --> 01:04:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, mate, So that they would you say the

1121
01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.559
<v Speaker 1>OBEs that you you saw the like OBEs when you've

1122
01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:05.199
<v Speaker 1>before all of this and you saw the free orange life.

1123
01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:08.199
<v Speaker 2>They really just look like flames. It really looks like

1124
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:11.119
<v Speaker 2>like three flames in the sky the best I can

1125
01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:11.760
<v Speaker 2>describe it.

1126
01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:14.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what do you think they were? I know that's

1127
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:16.880
<v Speaker 1>difficult because we don't know what do you think that was?

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01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:21.960
<v Speaker 2>If I had to speculate if it was in some

1129
01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:27.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of military project or you know, exotic technology, which

1130
01:05:27.639 --> 01:05:31.119
<v Speaker 2>that is possible because at the time I live not

1131
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:34.800
<v Speaker 2>too far from a military base. But it looked to

1132
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:38.400
<v Speaker 2>me like what a lot of people show that they

1133
01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:43.199
<v Speaker 2>get footage of these plasma lights that can shape shift

1134
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and morph in the skies, these kind of plasma entities

1135
01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:51.519
<v Speaker 2>that can shift into anything, and they seem to have

1136
01:05:51.639 --> 01:05:54.800
<v Speaker 2>an increased sightings of these lately in the past couple

1137
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:56.840
<v Speaker 2>of years, a lot more people getting them on film,

1138
01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.719
<v Speaker 2>And that is probably closest to what I'd be able

1139
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:04.280
<v Speaker 2>to describe seeing. But it was more orange and flame looking.

1140
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Man, it does seem connected to the experiences that

1141
01:06:09.239 --> 01:06:11.039
<v Speaker 1>you had. I mean, what are the changes that you

1142
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:13.280
<v Speaker 1>see something like that and then you have that profound

1143
01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:16.800
<v Speaker 1>experience that evening. You know, it does seem connected.

1144
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know it is for me because you know,

1145
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:23.519
<v Speaker 2>it's my experience. It's part of my story now. So

1146
01:06:23.840 --> 01:06:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I'll just say, yeah, it's connected.

1147
01:06:25.519 --> 01:06:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh man, have you seen anything else like that?

1148
01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:30.280
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen any other uphone?

1149
01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:33.760
<v Speaker 2>No? I have not seen Oh I have. I've seen some.

1150
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I think there were military craft, but you could consider

1151
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:41.000
<v Speaker 2>them UFOs. I went on a couple of UFO night

1152
01:06:41.039 --> 01:06:43.679
<v Speaker 2>skywatches at a couple of conferences that I was at.

1153
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:47.559
<v Speaker 2>I had a gathering in my backyard here in Colorado

1154
01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:50.760
<v Speaker 2>with some night vision goggles, and we saw a couple

1155
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:54.639
<v Speaker 2>of triangle crafts, you know, the people call them the

1156
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:57.519
<v Speaker 2>tr Three's. Saw a couple of those in the sky,

1157
01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:02.079
<v Speaker 2>but nothing else. Yeah, that was pretty cool. But I've

1158
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.679
<v Speaker 2>really never seen anything else really profound or unknown, or

1159
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:10.079
<v Speaker 2>had any other real paranormal encounters or anything like that.

1160
01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. No triangles you saw in the sky? Yeah, could

1161
01:07:14.639 --> 01:07:15.199
<v Speaker 1>you hear them?

1162
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:20.559
<v Speaker 2>No, It's completely silent, and they looked extremely, extremely high up.

1163
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:24.400
<v Speaker 2>It just looked like three stars moving together in a triangular.

1164
01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:27.440
<v Speaker 1>For me, Ah, cool thing to see, Matt. Yeah, yeah,

1165
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.119
<v Speaker 1>I need to get some night vision goggles. And I

1166
01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:31.960
<v Speaker 1>hear so many people say, like, you can see some

1167
01:07:32.039 --> 01:07:34.599
<v Speaker 1>incredible things. I feel like if you look up at

1168
01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:36.800
<v Speaker 1>the sky a lot, you do see things that you

1169
01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:37.480
<v Speaker 1>can't explain.

1170
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh I did I have completely forgot I had a

1171
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:46.320
<v Speaker 2>trip out to Skinwalker Ranch. Oh wow, wasn't Yeah, I

1172
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:48.679
<v Speaker 2>wasn't able to go to these Skinwalker Ranch But my

1173
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:52.519
<v Speaker 2>buddy Ryan Burns, he has property right next door. He

1174
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:57.440
<v Speaker 2>runs the Space Wolf Research Center, and he hosts scientists

1175
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.599
<v Speaker 2>and research and aerospace companies to come out and study

1176
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:04.239
<v Speaker 2>his property. And I went out there to film the movie.

1177
01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:07.679
<v Speaker 2>I just put out Doors of Perception, and that section

1178
01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:10.599
<v Speaker 2>was kind of focusing on the high strangeness in the area,

1179
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.239
<v Speaker 2>although the movie focuses on a bunch of other topics.

1180
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:17.279
<v Speaker 2>But we saw all night long UFOs. UFOs didn't need

1181
01:08:17.399 --> 01:08:22.000
<v Speaker 2>night vision goggles, these orbs and lights flying through the skies. Uh,

1182
01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:25.399
<v Speaker 2>it just got to be so commonplace. As soon as

1183
01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.239
<v Speaker 2>it turned dark, that's like all you'd see. And it

1184
01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:30.279
<v Speaker 2>even got old after a while, like, oh, I know

1185
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the UFO there were so many of them. But what

1186
01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:36.840
<v Speaker 2>was really kind of concerning to me was Ryan had

1187
01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:41.079
<v Speaker 2>night vision goggles and we could see the Black Ops

1188
01:08:41.119 --> 01:08:45.279
<v Speaker 2>team surrounding us, watching us, pointing laser beams at us.

1189
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Because you know that Skinwalker Ranch is an exotic military

1190
01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:50.880
<v Speaker 2>weapons testing site.

1191
01:08:50.680 --> 01:08:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean I've.

1192
01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you some things, man, some freaky stuff. Yeah,

1193
01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:04.039
<v Speaker 2>let's go all right, So skin Walker Ranch. People think

1194
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:07.800
<v Speaker 2>of it as this, you know, paranormal wonderland where all

1195
01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:11.000
<v Speaker 2>these mystical things happen, and that is true. It's a

1196
01:09:11.079 --> 01:09:14.199
<v Speaker 2>very mystical place. There is paranormal activity and there are

1197
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:19.239
<v Speaker 2>what people would call skin walkers, and I'll get into

1198
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.880
<v Speaker 2>that in a little bit. But a lot of the

1199
01:09:21.920 --> 01:09:26.319
<v Speaker 2>activity that people experience, a lot of the harmful, negative activity.

1200
01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:31.079
<v Speaker 2>A lot of the more terrifying things is military weapons testing.

1201
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:37.000
<v Speaker 2>They test everything from UFO exotic technology to mind control

1202
01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:41.479
<v Speaker 2>weapons V two k frequencies. They can get people sick,

1203
01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:45.920
<v Speaker 2>they can cause people diseases, they can make people hallucinate,

1204
01:09:46.039 --> 01:09:49.279
<v Speaker 2>they can make people see entities and beings. One of

1205
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:53.680
<v Speaker 2>my friends saw these I guess you could say they

1206
01:09:53.720 --> 01:10:03.279
<v Speaker 2>were like little fractalized dust that turned into a dog,

1207
01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and then these nanoparticles they turned into a dog and

1208
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:12.560
<v Speaker 2>then shape shifted into a tornado, and then shape shifted

1209
01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:17.159
<v Speaker 2>into a human. And he believed that's actually military technology

1210
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:20.439
<v Speaker 2>that they were utilizing. But they can make people see

1211
01:10:20.439 --> 01:10:23.279
<v Speaker 2>whatever they want out there, and that's the craziest part.

1212
01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:27.920
<v Speaker 2>And I saw the black op teams surrounding us, pointing

1213
01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:31.760
<v Speaker 2>these purple lasers at us. He said that they're always were.

1214
01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:34.439
<v Speaker 2>If you're there, you're gonna be under surveillance. They're gonna

1215
01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:38.640
<v Speaker 2>be watching every move you're making. Next Door to him,

1216
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:43.840
<v Speaker 2>they had a legit satanist who had a little tint

1217
01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.479
<v Speaker 2>with these strange lights set up, and he says he

1218
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:49.359
<v Speaker 2>talks to the old gods at night with the lights,

1219
01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:54.640
<v Speaker 2>and that dude was telling us that he's had experiences

1220
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:59.840
<v Speaker 2>where he's had three houses burst into flames because he

1221
01:10:59.920 --> 01:11:04.600
<v Speaker 2>was communing with the wrong demon. Crazy lights show up

1222
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:08.239
<v Speaker 2>over his tint all the time, just insane stuff. So

1223
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:12.800
<v Speaker 2>I think there's a level of real natural occult magic

1224
01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and craziness going on there, and then there's a heavy

1225
01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:22.039
<v Speaker 2>level of military activity. But the skin Walker stories are

1226
01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:26.520
<v Speaker 2>just off the chain crazy that he has told me,

1227
01:11:27.119 --> 01:11:33.359
<v Speaker 2>the encounters with like canine beings and strange humanoids. One

1228
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:35.840
<v Speaker 2>of the craziest ones is they were him and a

1229
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:40.920
<v Speaker 2>security guy were walking outside of the trailer and they

1230
01:11:40.960 --> 01:11:44.239
<v Speaker 2>see this looks like a dude walking up, but he's

1231
01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:48.479
<v Speaker 2>kind of walking strange. He's really tall, and they notice

1232
01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:52.159
<v Speaker 2>his arms were way too long. And they couldn't make

1233
01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:54.800
<v Speaker 2>out what his face looked like. It looked like he

1234
01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:57.880
<v Speaker 2>had no face, and he's kind of walking all weird

1235
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:00.359
<v Speaker 2>towards him, and it looked like he had a walkie

1236
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:03.359
<v Speaker 2>talkie on his hand and he's trying to grab the

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<v Speaker 2>walkie talkie and talk, but his hands are all messed

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<v Speaker 2>up and his arms are weird. But they said it

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01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:11.960
<v Speaker 2>looked like he was just trying to mimic what a

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01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:15.840
<v Speaker 2>security guard would look like. And it gets closer to him,

1241
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:18.279
<v Speaker 2>and the closer it gets, the weirder it looks, and

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01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the more out of focus and looks like it's shape

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01:12:20.840 --> 01:12:25.079
<v Speaker 2>shifting as they're speaking, and the security guy pulls out

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01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:27.720
<v Speaker 2>a gun. He's like, hey, stay right there, and the

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01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:32.000
<v Speaker 2>being just kind of slowly starts walking backwards, all weird

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01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:35.600
<v Speaker 2>and crazy, till it just walks to a fence line

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01:12:35.880 --> 01:12:38.560
<v Speaker 2>and gets to where they can't see it anymore. And

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01:12:38.600 --> 01:12:42.239
<v Speaker 2>they were like, what up fuck was that? They've been

1249
01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:45.760
<v Speaker 2>chased by drones? Chased by orbs. They had to jump

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01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:49.159
<v Speaker 2>in a ditch and hide and duck because these three

1251
01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:53.680
<v Speaker 2>orbs were like chasing them, silent orbs shooting lights at him,

1252
01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:56.359
<v Speaker 2>and shit, they had no idea, what would happen if

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01:12:56.359 --> 01:13:00.319
<v Speaker 2>the lights hit him. One of his friends was being

1254
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:04.199
<v Speaker 2>chased by a bright UFO and had to jump in

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01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:07.920
<v Speaker 2>a river because it was shooting this red light. And

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01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:10.600
<v Speaker 2>he said, when he jumped in the river, he felt

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01:13:10.920 --> 01:13:13.600
<v Speaker 2>this red light go over and it burned like hell.

1258
01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:17.760
<v Speaker 2>He got out and he had red burns all over

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01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:20.960
<v Speaker 2>his body and unfortunately a few months later he died

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01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:26.199
<v Speaker 2>of cancer. Oh man, yeah, dude, another one. I'll leave

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01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:30.600
<v Speaker 2>you with this story. His security guy was out one

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01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:37.439
<v Speaker 2>night patrolling the property and he's going up towards one

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01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:40.159
<v Speaker 2>of the trailers on the far end of the property

1264
01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and he sees that there's these three dudes like rummaging

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01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:47.640
<v Speaker 2>through stuff around the trailer and they all had their

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01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:50.199
<v Speaker 2>shirts off, all looked like they were wearing these like

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01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:54.600
<v Speaker 2>little brown shorts or something. And he's he's armed. He's

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01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:57.880
<v Speaker 2>walking up to him and he says, freeze. And when

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01:13:57.920 --> 01:14:02.479
<v Speaker 2>he said that, in sync, they all sat down like

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01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:05.840
<v Speaker 2>dogs and looked up at him, and he said they

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01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:11.359
<v Speaker 2>had eyeshine, like like canines, and he's like, you fucking freeze,

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01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:15.800
<v Speaker 2>And he said they started to all in sync lunge

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01:14:15.840 --> 01:14:18.880
<v Speaker 2>at him and like run at him. Like dogs, and

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01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.560
<v Speaker 2>he unloaded on him. He unloaded on him all, and

1275
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.760
<v Speaker 2>he knew he hit them all multiple times, and it

1276
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:27.439
<v Speaker 2>took a bunch of shots before they started to even

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01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:32.199
<v Speaker 2>turn around and run the other way, like dogs trotting

1278
01:14:32.239 --> 01:14:35.840
<v Speaker 2>through the field. And they jumped like three sets of fences,

1279
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:40.319
<v Speaker 2>just like nothing, jumping over like dogs. The craziest part

1280
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:45.680
<v Speaker 2>is the next day there was a police report about

1281
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:49.079
<v Speaker 2>three members of the U tribe found dead from gunshot

1282
01:14:49.119 --> 01:14:57.119
<v Speaker 2>wounds in separately. Oh yes, roh crazy.

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01:14:57.199 --> 01:15:00.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, So that sounds like they were like wolves

1284
01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:01.079
<v Speaker 1>or something.

1285
01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Skin walk something man. Yeah, yeah, you're not familiar with

1286
01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:11.039
<v Speaker 2>the skin walker lore. Suppose there's different methods and different types.

1287
01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:14.760
<v Speaker 2>But according to what I was told, it's some sort

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01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:17.520
<v Speaker 2>of ritual that first of all, you're required to do

1289
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:21.119
<v Speaker 2>something horrible, like murder a family member to even get

1290
01:15:21.159 --> 01:15:24.119
<v Speaker 2>in with this spirit realm. And you have a pelt

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01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:26.840
<v Speaker 2>of a certain animal that you want to be manifested.

1292
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:30.119
<v Speaker 2>As you wear the pelt, you go into a metaphytative

1293
01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:34.920
<v Speaker 2>state and you can project yourself and up to a

1294
01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.560
<v Speaker 2>point to where they say it's even physical, you can

1295
01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:40.800
<v Speaker 2>they can physically project themselves in other locations. But as

1296
01:15:40.840 --> 01:15:46.720
<v Speaker 2>that animal or some variation or a humanoid something creature,

1297
01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:51.239
<v Speaker 2>chimera creature. That's what they do. They project themselves and

1298
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that's what they purport the skin walker phenomenon to be.

1299
01:15:55.960 --> 01:15:59.199
<v Speaker 2>But there's also another side of this. This is crazy too.

1300
01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:10.960
<v Speaker 2>There is a secretive kind of scientific corporation out there.

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01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Forget the name of it. Ryan told me, I don't

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01:16:13.159 --> 01:16:15.000
<v Speaker 2>even know if I'm supposed to repeat the name of

1303
01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:18.399
<v Speaker 2>this place, but I can tell the story. He says

1304
01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:22.039
<v Speaker 2>that this they're doing some crazy experiments with genetics at

1305
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:26.600
<v Speaker 2>this place, and they're combining genetics of different animals and chimeras,

1306
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:29.520
<v Speaker 2>and they said they work with military and you know,

1307
01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:34.880
<v Speaker 2>the very dark black projects. And he believes that they're

1308
01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:39.079
<v Speaker 2>creating like chimera creatures like dog men and monsters, and

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01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:43.880
<v Speaker 2>some of them occasionally escape and you'll see them and

1310
01:16:43.920 --> 01:16:44.880
<v Speaker 2>they'll attack people.

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01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:48.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that is that the theory of some of

1312
01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:51.119
<v Speaker 1>these the dog men creatures, that that's what these things are.

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01:16:51.720 --> 01:16:57.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's insane, man. Wow, he's out there. That's crazy shit, man.

1314
01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:01.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so interesting. I mean a lot of people

1315
01:17:01.479 --> 01:17:04.079
<v Speaker 1>say a lot of people won't even say the word skinwalker.

1316
01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I talk to a lot of people that don't even

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01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:10.239
<v Speaker 1>want to say that word. You know, it is incredible

1318
01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:11.920
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of and as well, as you said,

1319
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:15.079
<v Speaker 1>you wasn't actually on the ranch, but the whole area

1320
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:18.479
<v Speaker 1>is full of vire strangers like that. It seems that

1321
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:24.279
<v Speaker 1>whole area insane. Brother, man, you're going back there soon

1322
01:17:24.399 --> 01:17:26.640
<v Speaker 1>or I'd love to go back there.

1323
01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:29.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man. In fact, we may take another trip this

1324
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:32.439
<v Speaker 2>year if we can. I'm working on a sequel to

1325
01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.399
<v Speaker 2>Doors of Perception, so if we could get back out there,

1326
01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that would be be awesome. But Ryan's great. Have you

1327
01:17:38.960 --> 01:17:39.800
<v Speaker 2>ever talked to him?

1328
01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:43.520
<v Speaker 1>No, not yet, I don't think so.

1329
01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:47.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you should. You should look him up. He has

1330
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:50.600
<v Speaker 2>such great information about all this stuff. He does great

1331
01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:54.760
<v Speaker 2>research into the paranormal and the phenomena around the ranch.

1332
01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:59.399
<v Speaker 2>And he has these high profile people coming out there

1333
01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:04.399
<v Speaker 2>from the Guvermant and various aerospace companies and billionaires coming

1334
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:07.239
<v Speaker 2>out to study the property, and they just throw money

1335
01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:09.119
<v Speaker 2>at him to be able to do that. So he's

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01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:11.520
<v Speaker 2>a very interesting guy to talk to you about that stuff.

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01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, man, Is it true they're building up They're trying

1338
01:18:14.199 --> 01:18:17.319
<v Speaker 1>to build a hotel on the ranch. I did hear that,

1339
01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:20.520
<v Speaker 1>which does sound wild? I mean I would stay there.

1340
01:18:20.560 --> 01:18:21.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna lie.

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01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it would be interesting.

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01:18:25.479 --> 01:18:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Man. I did watch an episode and there was a

1343
01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:31.560
<v Speaker 1>Skinwalker ranch series. I think it's still going on Discovery

1344
01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:34.479
<v Speaker 1>Channel whatever. It is really interesting. I didn't see all

1345
01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:36.399
<v Speaker 1>of it, but there was one episode where one of

1346
01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:39.800
<v Speaker 1>the investigators, I don't know if he if they were

1347
01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:42.960
<v Speaker 1>digging a hole somewhere and he had a blast of radiation.

1348
01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Did you see that one and it like it? No?

1349
01:18:45.359 --> 01:18:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't really get to watch the series too much.

1350
01:18:48.439 --> 01:18:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's all fit to what you were saying about,

1351
01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:54.039
<v Speaker 1>like the technology and the radiation and the tests that

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01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:58.560
<v Speaker 1>they're doing there. Brother, Chris, you blowed my mind tonight.

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01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Man, right on. Yeah, I love that, bro.

1354
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much, man for coming on sharing your

1355
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:09.760
<v Speaker 1>personal journey as well. Yeah, very interesting.

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01:19:09.800 --> 01:19:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Man, to be coming on my show in.

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01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Very soon week, so yeah, thank you very much.

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01:19:17.960 --> 01:19:18.079
<v Speaker 3>Man.

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01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait for that, and I'd love to get

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01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:21.640
<v Speaker 1>you back on this Get Freak. I feel like there's

1361
01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:23.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot we could talk about, a lot of rabbit

1362
01:19:23.800 --> 01:19:27.000
<v Speaker 1>holes we can go down and definitely super interesting man,

1363
01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:29.399
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. Can you tell the listeners where

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01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:31.039
<v Speaker 1>they can find you sure.

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01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Website is Forbidden Knowledge dot News. You'll find our podcast

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01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Forbidden Knowledge News, and we also feature about eleven other

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01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:44.359
<v Speaker 2>podcasts on our network, which is the Forbidden Knowledge Network.

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01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:47.479
<v Speaker 2>You can reach those on our website as well. We're

1369
01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:52.560
<v Speaker 2>available on all podcast platforms, Rumble. We put clips up

1370
01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:55.720
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube because we got kicked off of there, and

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01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:57.960
<v Speaker 2>we are on rock Fan if you want to access

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01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:02.199
<v Speaker 2>some of our premium content. And also right now you

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01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:05.960
<v Speaker 2>can rent or purchase our new film Doors of Perception,

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<v Speaker 2>which just got picked up by Amazon. We're super stoked

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01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:12.359
<v Speaker 2>about that. That should be available on Amazon by this summer,

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01:20:12.359 --> 01:20:14.159
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01:20:14.199 --> 01:20:17.239
<v Speaker 2>can go to our website Forbidden Knowledge dot News rent that.

1378
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And you can also watch my first film, the Forbidden

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<v Speaker 2>Documentary of Cult Louisiana, which is on to b so

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<v Speaker 2>you can watch that free right now. And Tommy, thank

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01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:28.680
<v Speaker 2>you so much.

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01:20:29.039 --> 01:20:31.399
<v Speaker 1>Ah your a legend man. Thank you so much. Hopefully

1383
01:20:31.439 --> 01:20:34.159
<v Speaker 1>this is the first of many conversations. I'm looking forward

1384
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:36.439
<v Speaker 1>to being back on your show very soon as well.

1385
01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:39.079
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, just keep up with great work. Robert, thank

1386
01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:39.920
<v Speaker 1>you so much.

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01:20:39.720 --> 01:20:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Man, Thank you man. Have a wonderful night. You too.

1388
01:20:42.680 --> 01:20:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Robert. Guys, thank you so much for listening.

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01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I hope you've enjoyed this episode. If you have, make

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01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:51.000
<v Speaker 1>sure you share it where you can. That is a

1391
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:53.439
<v Speaker 1>great way to support the show. And we'll be back

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01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:58.039
<v Speaker 1>very soon for more freaky conversations. In the meantime, stay

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01:20:58.039 --> 01:21:00.760
<v Speaker 1>safe and keep it freaky by for now.