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want to like, I'm not even gonna look amazing tonight.

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I love what you're wearing. Always said, oh my god,

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you're all I have an angry closs. That is life.

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Speaker 2: Something like.

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Speaker 3: Whoa Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. This

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episode is brought to you, of course, by my favorite

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people at strip Chat, the world's premiere live streaming site,

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and I want to talk to the creators for a second.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest things I.

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Speaker 3: Hear from people who are trying to build the space

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today is a platform problem. You don't have this huge

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social following or you spent years building an Instagram and

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then who was gone, which is happening to a lot

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of people these days. Here's a thing on strip chat

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that doesn't matter because they bring the traffic to you.

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It's one of the most visited cam platforms in the world.

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Actually I think it's the most visited, and millions of

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viewers are showing up every single day and you get

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put in front of them, whether or not you have

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a single follower anywhere else. So if you've been sitting

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on the sidelines because you got deplatformed, or if you're

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starting from zero, this is the place to start.

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Speaker 1: Head up to Stripchat to sign up as a model

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and let the audience come to you.

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Speaker 3: You can also follow them on YouTube and on Instagram

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at scworld dot official. Okay, I gotta lick my fingers

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for this one. My guest this week has lived about

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four lives in the time that most people live in one.

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She grew up in Orange County, jumped into the adult

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industry in two thousand and three at eighteen, and went

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on to shoot over one thousand scenes before walking away

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in twenty sixteen. Then she did something that no one

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saw coming. She became a firefighter and a paramedic. After

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the Route ninety one shooting in Vegas, she dropped everything

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and ran towards the fire. Really for the better part

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of a decade, and now she's back off contract with Vixen,

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eyeing a move to Spiegler and ready to do full

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blown studio work again. She's funny, she's fearless, and I'm

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so excited to have her. Please welcome the legendary e

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A Angelina.

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Speaker 1: Hi, thank you for having me. Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm so excited to have you here. Yeah, it's

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been a minute, a long minute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's so crazy because before we started the episode, we

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were both talking about how when we were shooting together,

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like cell phones were not a thing.

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Speaker 2: No, no, and then even the internet, like when I started,

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we were still producing VHS's and then the Internet was

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like dial up.

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Speaker 1: You mean DVDs.

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were just starting to transition into DVDs, and it was

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just crazy to me because I didn't know how to use,

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I how to use do you remember those like TVs

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that had the capability of having, uh a DVD. It

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was like a built in DVD player and cassette tape player.

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it's like, okay, well we're gonna put this this cassette

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tape in there, and that's all the pornos, and then

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the DVDs because that came out first, and I was like,

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oh gosh, like now in retrospect, you kind of rewind.

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signs that were please be kind rewind because if you didn't,

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rented it out to other people, which was I guess yeah.

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the wait for the dial up and all that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is why my mom did so well

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would take for ever to download, and it was expensive.

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Speaker 3: Know, join Susanet and you would go to look at

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the pictures and I just remember in those early days,

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then the picture would appear a pixel by pixel coming

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Speaker 2: It's like eternity. Now, it's like everything is instant gratification.

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next day. Like, there are times, there are many times

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Speaker 3: But then there's also, like I think a lot of

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problems with society because yeah, I.

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demand instant gratification, people don't really want to work to

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get it.

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Speaker 1: Done like the proper way.

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Speaker 1: You can just just do it.

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Speaker 2: You can do it on the toilet if you wanted to,

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you know, and then the groceries end on your doorstep

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in an hour. So it's a lot of the work

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ethic I think is being kind of robbed subconsciously from

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people because everything's just done so easily.

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who can make our own who can make as.

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Speaker 3: Right, because we work for ourselves, one would think that, Okay,

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all of these you know, time saving capabilities that we

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Speaker 1: But I find that I fill that free time with

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Speaker 2: Bring it on, Yeah, I know, I'll go crazy, I

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will go crazy. Yeah, I have to work. I feel

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when I'm just laying around and just death scrolling and

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Speaker 1: I could be doing other productive things undred percent. I know.

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Speaker 3: I always like it's so funny how some things though

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that used to be considered a real waste of time

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Speaker 1: Like gaming. Right, I think about gaming.

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Speaker 3: I think about all these girls who game and get

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paid the game because people watch them game. And I

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played video games like a little bit in my twenties, but.

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Speaker 1: I always felt so guilty about it.

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Speaker 3: I always felt like, this is such a waste of

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my time I could be doing something better, like I'm

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waste and I can't shake that feeling, like still to

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this day, like it feels lazy for me to sit

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Speaker 2: It's crazy though, because like my excess and he was

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in the army and all they did when they were

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off duty was game. And man, I wonder how many

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of these soldiers I still do that would be on

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Twitch and make money, Like they would probably quadruple their

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their military income.

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Speaker 3: That you gotta be like hot though, right, well, you

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know a game with your shirt off, they probably would anyways.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: The all beast mood, adrenaline and you know, testosterone out

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and everything.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's funny.

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Speaker 3: You know they're like actually fighting real wars and then

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they're going and playing a video game about fighting like

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Speaker 1: They're good. They're good though.

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Speaker 2: I try to play with them several times if we

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have little like gaming parties at our at our house,

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just respawning me because I'm like dying every two seconds,

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Speaker 3: Okay, they had the real life experience, Yes, they're very good.

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All right, So let's start the beginning, as we always

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like to do on this show. So how did you

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get into the adult industry at eighteen?

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Speaker 2: So? I was a big fan of the O C

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Weekly's Adult Employments Classified section.

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Speaker 1: I was always the the person.

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backpack and film stuff and everything, and that would film

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Speaker 1: Like bathroom stalls and stuff like that.

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it was do you want to shock on all your parents?

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it was a brand new, like classified act, I.

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Speaker 1: Want to shock in all your parents? Yeah? I was

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drawn to that. Wow, that's one help of a hook. Yeah,

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it got me. Do you want to shame your family?

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Speaker 1: Was like me, I was like, what is it?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, curiosity killed the cat.

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Speaker 2: But like because I I knew it was adult stuff,

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I just didn't know what it was and come to

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find out with Shane's World. So it ended up being

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Speaker 1: It was a god. They were huge.

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Speaker 1: I guess you can say.

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ones we're testing, who we can mess with. And then

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a bunch of poor stars male and females will just

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students and it was literally the craziest environment and it was

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of the crew ended up wandering into a sorority house

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Speaker 2: There was an intention, and the person that he was

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anything actually physically happened. But they ended up putt him

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like left with a bunch of cash. Wow, So he

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started a business and now he's being awesome. Like I

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spoke to him briefly a few weeks ago, and that

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was with Rachel Starr. She gets him on the phone

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and stuff, and he's like married with the baby and

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like he's doing super awesome, has like an amazing business,

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making like a shit ton of money and is living

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a normal life.

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Speaker 1: See.

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like everybody was kind of reckless when we were putting

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that kind of environment yea, like everything like whatever. You know,

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we neverget that we're not like when we were not

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around Yeah, we're not when we're not on set.

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Speaker 1: When we're with like regular people.

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Speaker 2: Like the things that we say and do are like

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not normal and it's not you know, you can get

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you in trouble.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it happened.

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Speaker 3: And also like mixing alcohol with like those kinds of

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environments and young people and like party environments and god,

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I mean that shit would not fly today. You could

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not do anything like that because think of all of

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the people who were on camera that weren't being involved

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in the sexual activity, Like you'd have to get paperwork

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and IDs and consent on every single one of them.

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You could not have alcohol no way, at least like

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you shouldn't, you know. I mean, all of these rules

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that we have to regulate, like safety now has just

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made the industry so different and back then, I feel

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like at the beginning of the Internet, you know, I

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mean you can obviously attest to this because you lived it,

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but like people were just.

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Speaker 1: Doing crazy shit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because so many of the restrictions were sort of

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lifted because you know, before the Internet came along, you

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were bound because you were doing physical distribution of magazines

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and DVDs and vhs, s tapes were bound by the

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laws of certain states, which is why before the Internet

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came along, all the magazine layouts were like technically softcore.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't penetration.

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Speaker 3: It was just like a guy posing with this semi

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flaccid penis next to a girl with.

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Speaker 1: My mom shot all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: So because like penetration wouldn't be allowed in like Canada

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or like you know, other states, and so it just

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made more you didn't want to have like five different versions,

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right and then also too like so this is actually

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I believe what put Max Hardcourt in jail was he

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accidentally shipped one of his DVDs that like had all

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this you know, crazy like anal stuff to a state

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that that was illegal.

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Speaker 1: It was Arkansas or something like that.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly what it was, and so he

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got busted for obscenity.

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Speaker 1: In that state and then he went to jail.

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Speaker 3: And that was simply because like the wrong DVD with

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the wrong content was shit to the wrong state.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: But then when the Internet came along, there was no

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like physical location, web you know, content, and so all

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of these like regulations just kind of went out the

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window because.

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Speaker 2: So like they started to really push the envelope on

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the obscenity stuff. And I remember then, uh, you know,

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the sites like I don't even know if I can

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say this, piss mops and old and that kind of

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stuff like that was like, I know.

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Speaker 1: That was some really fucked up ship. That was. Yeah,

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that was some gnarly stuff. You know.

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Speaker 2: They started, I really honed down on on what was obscene,

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considered obscene, and what was not, and then the obscenities

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were then illegal.

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Speaker 3: So and obscenity is such like a you know, it's

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it's a it's it's a judgment call.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a perspective thing you consider because some people

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consider Playboy obscene.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, crazy times.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so back to you and you are beginning Shane's world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so the cool thing was.

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Speaker 2: It was best case scenario because it was me going

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on a date similar to Eliminate. I remember that old

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show where I go on a date with these two

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point start guys, me being a college's age student, you know, person,

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and they would do like these little.

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Speaker 1: Challenges to win me over.

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Speaker 2: And then by the end of the date, I got

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to pick whicheveryone I wanted to sleep with on camera, and.

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Speaker 1: Then you really got to make that choice. Yeah, and

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with one percent of my choice, did you feel bad, like, say,

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like denying the one guy?

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Speaker 2: Well, I ended up working with them both after that,

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and the only reason why I picked and I told

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this to him, the only reason why I picked the

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other person was because during the eating out portion of

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the competition he had like some hair growth coming out

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and it was like sandpaper on my vagina.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and I'm like, I can't do that again. Okay,

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I got it.

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Speaker 2: So but like they were both, they were both awesome

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and had a great experience.

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Speaker 1: So who was the do you remember who the guy? Yes?

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So it was Clark Kent and mister Pete. Oh wait,

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so who was the winner? So I picked mister Pete. Yeah,

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mister Pete, foot on your head mister Pete.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which was funny because even to this day when

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I do see him, he was like, you know what,

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You're the only female that I've known this long that

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I don't owe child support too.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, thanks, Oh my god. You know, it's hard

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people don't remember.

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Speaker 3: I don't think they had a kid together, but people

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don't realize he was married to Alexis Texans.

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Speaker 1: Is that wild?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I remember when they got married. Man so long ago. Yeah,

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it feels like a lifetime ago. So how was your

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first scene? Like, how was it? Did you feel comfortable immediately?

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Was it nerve wracking?

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Speaker 2: It was great because we like we started off at

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a restaurant, so then I really got to know them,

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you know. As for that amount of time, I gotta

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feel more comfortable and just like a talking environment, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I knew I was safe because I was in

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a public area.

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Speaker 2: But the ultimate goal was I kind of already was

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used to having sex with people that I didn't know,

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and that this was like the root cause of why

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I decided to go this route was because I was

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meeting random like guys off of like a dating website

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that in like random hotels and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I just liked not.

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Speaker 2: Knowing their name, you know, like it was a weird

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kind of like little little kink I had. But then

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I had a scare where nothing really happened, but it

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was like, what could have happened?

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask you if you ever felt

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in danger?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So when I got to this hotel, there was

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a post it on the door and it was unlocked,

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and it says I went to the vending machine, vending

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machine and just help yourself in. I'm like, Okay, if

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I go in, this guy's gonna lock the out door

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behind me, and then if it's like some crazy like

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trafficker or something gnarly, then I'm screwed. And it was

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at the Los Angeles Port too, so I'm like, this

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is a perfect what could.

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Speaker 1: Possibly go wrong? You know, I send you to China?

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Speaker 2: So naturally I go in anyway, and I ended up

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being like a really like it was a good guy.

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We ended up seeing each other for quite a bit

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after that, but I was like, I need to.

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Speaker 1: Find an alternative, Like there's got to be a better way.

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Speaker 2: So when I saw that ad, I was like, oh,

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so I get to like get guaranteed forty minutes of

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sex charte guaranteed minimum. Yeah, and then there's like there's

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like it's a new controlled environment and everybody's tested and

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we're safe and I still get to not know their name.

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So yeah, it was like the best thing ever. And

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I just happened to get paid yes, so it was amazing.

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I got the best person. Yeah, I was like what

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So it worked out perfectly. And then when they saw that,

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I really enjoyed myself and the and I enjoyed the

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process of the whole shooting and everything they showed me,

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like the different agencies that were around, Like how I

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can I keep pursuing it? And then I started venturing

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off to shooting for other studios and then the rest

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is history.

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Speaker 1: So wow, yeah, what is.

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Speaker 3: One of the best scenes from your early days that

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you kind of look back on and you're like, God,

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that was that was an experience.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say it's meant not in the very

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very early days, but because Shane's World's got that down,

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like hands down, because they took such good care of me,

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and just being like in the environment where you're just

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being cheered on and everything, it was like, that's going

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to definitely hold a special place in my heart. But

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the real experience was shooting Upload for Sexy Pictures. That

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was the movie that put me on the map. I

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feel like, as far as like Award Seasons and stuff go.

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Speaker 1: That was a future movie. That was a future movie.

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It was the largest budget for that year after that.

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, and I don't remember Sexy Pictures for some reason,

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but I remember Upload.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how much longer they lasted after that,

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maybe a couple years because the recession hit and all

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that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: It happened.

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Speaker 2: But it was Brent Pryor, it was the or Eli Cross,

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I should say it was the director, and I want

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Best Actress and all that, like all those crazy like

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awards came out of it.

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Speaker 1: But there was one scene specifically.

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Speaker 2: It was with Evanstone and Sandra Romain, and I remember

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we shot the softcore first, and I thought to myself

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after that, I'm like, I don't know how I'm gonna

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survive the hardcore because if it's gonna get even more crazy,

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I don't know what's gonna happen. I might not be

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able to shoot the next day like I might. I

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might have elipan tinis of my Vagina. It was this wild.

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It was just like a wild while a softcore and

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then even wilder our hardcore, and it was one of

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those ones that.

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Speaker 3: Were like, oh yeah, Sandra Remain was crazy. She was

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nuts and I loved it. Yeah in a good way,

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of course. Yeah, she was so like hardcore. It was fantastic. No,

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nothing like nothing could.

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Speaker 1: Be too much for her. Yeah. Wow, I don't make

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them like that anymore.

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Speaker 3: So you retired in twenty sixteen to do commercial realism State.

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Speaker 1: So what made you walk away when you did?

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Speaker 2: I had been like kind of already back and forth

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and having kids and everything, so I had like, once

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she went anyway and I went, I came back to

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see what was like in twenty sixteen, and the budgets

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were down, the morale was down.

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Speaker 1: It was just really really just depressing.

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Speaker 2: And I remember shooting for a company I used to

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shoot for all the time, and they're like, hey, we

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can only give you six hundred dollars for this boy

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girl scene, and I'm like that is less than the

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first day I got into the business.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, this is what it's going to be like,

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I'm out.

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Speaker 2: So and at that time they had just passed a

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law where they were going to allow cultivating marijuana, and

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I had all these like cultivators that were like, we

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need we need we need warehouse space, we need space,

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we need space, like and I was always doing like

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residential real estate, so I switched over to a commercial

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I'm like, this is way more lucrative, right now, let's

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do this.

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Speaker 1: And I just put all my eggs in that basket.

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Speaker 3: So you're doing commercial real estate for cannabis companies. Oh wow,

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that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy because my clients would like show up

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00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,759
and they're like just got their their grow house like raided,

481
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,839
and they would show up with like a gunshot wound

482
00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:17,160
and all bandage stuff and everything.

483
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is so gangster. I'm like, this is

484
00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:24,400
not gonna look good with the owner of the years. Wow,

485
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:25,599
oh my god.

486
00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're gonna lie about how how you got

487
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,000
that injury?

488
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 1: You were on the gun range and the yeah, yeah

489
00:22:33,759 --> 00:22:35,920
this year hunting yep. So.

490
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,839
Speaker 2: And then when a year later, a year and a

491
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,759
half later, I think it was October seventeen, twenty seventeen,

492
00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:45,400
my daughter and my ex husband were at the Route

493
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,119
ninety one Music Festival Country music festival. They were there,

494
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,759
and the day before they were there, so I thought

495
00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:55,039
the day of the shooting they were still there. Little

496
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:57,160
did I know that they had gone to a night's

497
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:01,599
game that night instead. And so while I'm seeing everything

498
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,640
unravel in real time on Snapchat, I'm thinking they're there,

499
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,519
and I'm thinking I need to be there. I need

500
00:23:07,559 --> 00:23:09,319
to be there, and like I need to like help

501
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,839
these people. It was like this undeniable urge to like

502
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,319
be first on scene. And after I got the green

503
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,160
light that my kid was okay and everybody was in

504
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,440
a different place, I was like, Okay, now what can

505
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,240
I do to serve? And I like donated blood. I

506
00:23:27,319 --> 00:23:30,319
started the process. They're like storry volunteering for Red Cross,

507
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:32,519
and I'm like this is not enough. And I spoke

508
00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:37,000
to my firefighter friend who works out of San Francisco Department,

509
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:38,960
and he was like, you just.

510
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: Need to be a firefighter.

511
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: Like that's like the only way you got to be

512
00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:44,960
a firefighter. You're already been doing Cross wait for five years,

513
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,920
You've been training for the job without you even knowing.

514
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's meant to be. So I was like, Okay,

515
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:50,599
let's do this.

516
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 2: And I found out that LACD Fire was starting their

517
00:23:54,599 --> 00:23:57,680
hiring process and in order to get your name in

518
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,559
the hat, you have to get your EMT. But I

519
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:02,640
was like, I didn't have the full amount of time

520
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,519
I needed to get my AMT certification I had to do.

521
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:08,960
UCLA has a four week program, so instead of being

522
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,599
a four month program, I did a four week program

523
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,759
and just immersed myself in it. And I actually found

524
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:18,079
out that I was pretty decent with like the theory

525
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,279
side of things, you know. I only I didn't have

526
00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:23,240
any like hands on experience except for like our four

527
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,400
ride alongs or whatever, so I knew I kind of

528
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,519
I felt like this is where I needed to be

529
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:31,839
at that point, you know. So wow, I think it

530
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,759
was kind of coming into place really easily, and I

531
00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:35,519
was like, oh, all right.

532
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

533
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,559
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine like the terror of that, you know,

534
00:24:38,599 --> 00:24:41,240
being a mother myself and like, oh my gosh, the

535
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,319
insane amount of like fear that is born alongside your child,

536
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,759
of like your child's welfare is.

537
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,519
Speaker 2: Like and you can't get a hold of them because

538
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,559
all the towers are going but INA's you know, cell

539
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,680
cell phone's usage is like there's no way there's no

540
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:57,279
way that. It's just too much for the towers.

541
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: So tell me about like actually being a firefighter, Like

542
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:02,880
what was that?

543
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: Like? It's like being an action hero going to work

544
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,319
and everybody loves you too. Everyone loves firefighters, that's the thing.

545
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,519
Speaker 2: Like, there was one time I got asked the question.

546
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,400
It was we were doing like a mock interview, and

547
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,359
they were like, so, why why did you choose being

548
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,039
a firefighter instead of a cop? And me, like being new,

549
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,200
not knowing how to answer questions yet for the interview,

550
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,559
I was like, well, everybody's always happy to see a firefighter. Yeah,

551
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,160
and it's all honest truth because you're literally showing up

552
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,160
on their worst day to be the remedy to help,

553
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,480
you know, And it's just it was. It was a

554
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:39,000
great experience I got with a very very good department.

555
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,079
They were so accepting of me. They knew what was

556
00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,839
going on I started my passage. Yeah, they knew what I.

557
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:49,039
Speaker 1: Was, what I had done, and they just didn't care.

558
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:50,039
They stuck up for me.

559
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: My fire chiefs stuck up for me and went out

560
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,960
to bat for me one hundred and ten percent. Gave

561
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,319
me all the opportunity in the world. They paid for

562
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,640
my tech rescue classes, so they put me on the

563
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:04,880
Tech rescue team has MAC technician team like all all

564
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,880
everything swift wat to rescue. They let me do everything

565
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,359
I wanted and and that doesn't happen very often. Yeah,

566
00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:15,920
Usually when you become a medic, you're stuck on being

567
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,640
a paramedic and you're just doing the EMS.

568
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: Stuff hor a fire. So I was like, I was lucky. Wow,

569
00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:27,400
do you have any You must have seen some crazy things, yeah,

570
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:28,920
oh yeah, yeah, there was.

571
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: I think probably the most memorable was, uh, it was

572
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,480
a vehicle accident.

573
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: And it was in the middle of the night and.

574
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,519
Speaker 2: We had to cut out the body out of the car,

575
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:45,240
so she was already deceased dead on arrival, and I

576
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:49,559
remember seeing that her there was like no blood, there

577
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:51,559
was no blood around, So I made me feel like

578
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:55,599
that was, you know, dead on impact and her leg

579
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,759
you can see her leg just so so just flesh

580
00:26:58,759 --> 00:27:02,640
off the bone, and the motor was in the backseat

581
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,960
and it was just such a gnaria accident and it

582
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,240
took us a good hour or so to get her

583
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,839
out and come to find out it was a young

584
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,200
woman twenty one years old on her twenty first birthday,

585
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,759
and it was a sheriff officer's daughter, so it was

586
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,519
like the worst case scenario. It's like a woman just

587
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:24,519
barely starting her adult life. And then to know that

588
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:27,680
that was a fellow first responder's daughter, it's like everybody's

589
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,240
worst nightmares a f sponder.

590
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:34,559
Speaker 3: So did that make you feel like afraid for the

591
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:36,720
possibilities of what could happen to you or did it

592
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,839
make you feel grateful for the fact that, like you

593
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,440
are alive and healthy or is a mix of.

594
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,279
Speaker 2: Both's So, if anything, I'm more cautious now because.

595
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,839
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's a trauma Earth, that's trauma all Earth, Like,

596
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,960
don't do that. This is what's going to happen.

597
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,279
Speaker 2: And I send my daughter's stuff where I'm like, like,

598
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:55,000
don't put your foot on the dashboard.

599
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: This is an X ray of what happens when you

600
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,920
get in a car. Yeah.

601
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm not paying the hospital bill, so don't

602
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,200
do stupid stuff, and stupid stuff won't happen to you.

603
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

604
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,799
Speaker 2: So, and then obviously there's like the final destination moments

605
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,960
where like there was no no way you can you know,

606
00:28:11,799 --> 00:28:14,559
show herself from that. Yeah, So I try to make

607
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:16,920
sure that they that they are aware. I was the

608
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,079
kind of mom that made them watch Walking Dead at

609
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,079
like three and five years old, Like you first start

610
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,880
a run, Okay.

611
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: So ill be apocalypse's comings.

612
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: I'm a prepper, so yes, I have my gas masks

613
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,400
and my my potassim eid one all like you know everything,

614
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,400
you better believe it.

615
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: I'm ready.

616
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 3: Do you have another fire fighting story that stuck with

617
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,920
you that maybe was like like a good one with

618
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:39,960
a positive experience.

619
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there's a couple.

620
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,279
Speaker 2: There was one where we it was another vehicle accident,

621
00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,119
multiple vehicles involved, and we were in an intersection and

622
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,799
the woman had I believe it was six unrestrained young

623
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,160
children in the vehicle and then one.

624
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 3: When you see and restrained, you mean like no seats

625
00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:59,799
like yeah, like that, and she was a goddamn car.

626
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:04,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well they were small, so they just all jam packed. Yeah.

627
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,319
And the one that I was catering to was the

628
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:12,000
one that got ejected about eight years old, and we

629
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,279
had to airlift him. So my job was to package

630
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,519
this child up so it was ready to be airlifted

631
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,319
to the flight menex and the flight.

632
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: Nurses and stuff.

633
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,039
Speaker 2: So I had to start this IV and it's like

634
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:26,839
the smallest little catheter like gauged needle, and we're like

635
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,440
in a moving box and there's like multiple people doing

636
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:33,039
multiple things at once, and I'm like, I gotta do this, okay.

637
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:34,599
Speaker 1: I don't want to cause more harm, you know.

638
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: And I just remember nailing it on the first time,

639
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,000
like nailing the ivy and thinking to myself, holy cow.

640
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: I freaking did it. Because he was a hard stick.

641
00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: Anyways, he was darker skinned and he was like decompensating,

642
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,559
so at that point you're you're you're kind of you're tanking.

643
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,519
So it was kind of like a shoot in the

644
00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:57,559
dark and hoping for the best kind of thing. And

645
00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:00,079
then in a moving box and I got it, and

646
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,440
I just remember it was like a victorious moment. I

647
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:05,119
was so happy. And then I had stories. I had

648
00:30:05,359 --> 00:30:08,559
a call where, uh, there was a donkey that had

649
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:12,759
been trapped from a collapse bridge and she was stuck

650
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:16,960
or she was stuck in mud overnight and she was

651
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,559
super lethargic lethargic when we got there, and we used

652
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:24,079
our high angle mechanical like advantage techniques from tech rescue

653
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,440
to be able to get her out of like literally

654
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:31,799
up to our torso and mud and got her out.

655
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:33,279
Speaker 1: It was like in a tray you moment.

656
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:37,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like was barely able to get get her movement,

657
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:39,200
but we got We got cookies for the next month

658
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,200
at reshift. It was the best thing ever. And we

659
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,200
got stickers made and everything. So see lu I believe

660
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,599
it was her name, and she survived and I was

661
00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:49,039
a great happy moment. Yeah, we saved the donkey today.

662
00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:52,319
Speaker 1: Not very typical.

663
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,039
Speaker 3: So it's like my favorite videos to watch on Yeah,

664
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:59,279
like saves an animal from a seemingly impossible situation. Right,

665
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:01,839
So I have to ask you about the Daily Mail.

666
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,680
They blew your cover the day you graduated the academy.

667
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,960
The article hit three counties worth of fire departments. How

668
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,680
did you find out and what was that day actually?

669
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: Like, so I remember it was the last day that

670
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,519
we were on the fire grounds at the fire Academy,

671
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,960
and we had already passed our state exams and we

672
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,039
were just turning in gear and stuff like that, and

673
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:25,200
I remember leaving and all of a sudden, you get

674
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,160
text from one of the the one of my one

675
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,079
of my guys. So I was a squad leader, so

676
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,720
one of my guys on my squad, he texted me

677
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:34,480
is like, I just want you to know that this

678
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,720
link is being passed around all between all the all

679
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:41,480
the counties, and I'm like, what link?

680
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: What now? And I click on the link And did

681
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,759
you sort of know before you even clicked on it

682
00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,039
like what it was going to be? But it was

683
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,799
definitely I knew it was going to be something, because.

684
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,279
Speaker 2: I can't have a day where I can just feel

685
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:58,400
like I completed a massive obstacle without it then getting foot.

686
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: In my face. But yeah, it kind of.

687
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:03,039
Speaker 2: Did me a favor though, because then I didn't have

688
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:06,519
to worry about breaking the ice about that when I

689
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:08,720
would do my interviews when I'm trying to get hired.

690
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:12,359
Speaker 1: So everybody already knew, and.

691
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: It allowed me to not have that uncomfortable conversation because

692
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,599
and I already knew had an idea. At least one

693
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:21,240
of the instructors knew because the day that they were

694
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:26,640
assigning our gear, he called me by my maiden name

695
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,960
was which was only found on my Wikipedia. He didn't

696
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,119
call me by my married name, which was nowhere online.

697
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: So I was like, this guy knows. This guy definitely knows.

698
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,359
He checked me out.

699
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: On Wikipedia for sure. Oh my god, I didn't used

700
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,240
that last name in like ten years.

701
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: So did anybody ever ask you about it, like on

702
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,079
the down low on the job, or did anybody ever

703
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,680
think that it was a license to treat you a

704
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,000
certain way or like think that that they'd be able

705
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:56,519
to like get in your pants or.

706
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: There was this I think it was my third shift,

707
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:05,279
and I remember we used to share our station with EMS,

708
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:10,119
our county EMS system, and there was one paramedic that

709
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:12,720
we were just joking around. He walks past me and

710
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:16,160
just like smacks the back of my ass in front

711
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,759
of my crew, and I was like, huh, you know,

712
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,440
laughing it off, like try not to make a scene

713
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,319
out of it because it's like my third day, and

714
00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:25,559
I'm like, try not to be an HR disaster because

715
00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:27,079
I was like the biggest thing that I heard from

716
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:29,279
other departments that they were fearful I would be an

717
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:30,799
HR disaster. So I'm like, I'm not going to be

718
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:35,519
that person because of your previous Yeah, and my crew

719
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,599
they he actually reported one of my firefighters reported him

720
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:45,960
and was like straight brother protection over me, and I

721
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,160
was like really really nice. So it's like I didn't

722
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,799
have to feel like it was me that was starting drama.

723
00:33:52,119 --> 00:33:55,279
Like they were witnessed to it, and you know, so

724
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,920
there was that, and then I definitely spoke about it.

725
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,400
I felt like, you know, I'm a very open book

726
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,559
and I want people to hear it from me rather

727
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,440
than having their own, you know, misconceptions.

728
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:07,319
Speaker 1: Of what reality is. You know.

729
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: So I'm like, we don't like break out and like

730
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,559
gang bangs randomly and all that kind of stuff.

731
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: And I've actually been told that. I was like, do

732
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,079
you guys just like like, oh, just do game bangs

733
00:34:16,119 --> 00:34:16,719
all the time.

734
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,119
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, but we all sure Thanksgiving dinner with

735
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:24,039
each other, you know, like come on, it's like relax, guys.

736
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,199
So I rather than hear it from me and then

737
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,960
it like me showing them that I'm not shameful or

738
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,079
or like just embarrassed in any way, shape or form,

739
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,320
it made him feel like it was not It didn't

740
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,960
have to be an uncomfortable like conversation.

741
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: To have it.

742
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 3: Like it takes the power away from like any sort

743
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,920
of shame building around it if.

744
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:43,639
Speaker 1: You fully own it.

745
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

746
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, it's funny when you say about a gang bangs.

747
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:47,960
It makes me think.

748
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 3: It always makes me laugh because you know, I had

749
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,400
grid Master on and you know. He I asked him, like,

750
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,079
what was one of the things that surprised you about

751
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:56,480
the adult industry when you got into it.

752
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: He's like, I thought that we were orgy.

753
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 3: He's like, you know, I would to these parties and

754
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,159
I thought, like, you know, we go to these parties

755
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:04,599
and like we'd have Orgi's and it's like, people don't

756
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:06,840
do that. They act like normal people. Like you go

757
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,599
to a party and you have drinks and you talk.

758
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: It used to be like that in the very beginning.

759
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,159
I remember XRCO.

760
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,559
Speaker 2: There was one time me and te Reeal we just

761
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:18,559
like sorry going after in the press room really yeah.

762
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: And like it just ended up being a full blown

763
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,800
scene And I'm like, can I get a copy of

764
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,519
that from my fops.

765
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,679
Speaker 3: OCO, by the way, is one of the oldest award shows,

766
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,880
like you get started in like nineteen eighty or nineteen

767
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,440
eighty one before me. Yeah, I know, because I actually

768
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,920
found old footage of my mom, oh wow at the

769
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:39,039
XRCO Awards accepting an award of giving out an award

770
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:41,960
with Ron Jeremy. Her and Ron Jeremy were at the

771
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:47,159
at the UH stage on the mic like yeah present

772
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:53,000
it just crazy, so uh you're also a unicorn in

773
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,719
the swinger lifestyle. Can you explain that to people who

774
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:56,880
may not understand what that means.

775
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,639
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you, like how it's like, so, I've

776
00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:04,760
always been in the lifestyle or you know, having uh

777
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:08,679
being either in a relationship or married and going to

778
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,239
these swinger parties and doing like full swap type of

779
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,000
you know whatever. And even when I was younger, before

780
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,079
the adult industry, I've always been not like a monogamous

781
00:36:19,079 --> 00:36:20,760
person like in monogamous relationships.

782
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,159
Speaker 1: I just say, and I guess, uh.

783
00:36:24,519 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: I rejoined the lifestyle because I was having issues getting late.

784
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went through a two year.

785
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,159
Speaker 2: Spell drive spell when I was a firefighter and finally yeah.

786
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so hold on because you're hot. Obviously, was it

787
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,480
like you didn't have time to date? I mean you

788
00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:46,239
obviously could have, Like I'm assuming there was a big

789
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,679
no no sleeping with like your fellow right, and you

790
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:50,719
probably didn't want to jeopardize your career in that way.

791
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be the person that they would

792
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,239
expect me to be having just making my around the

793
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,079
HR disaster, Yeah, the HR disaster, And so I made

794
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,320
it a point tonight in a that and then and

795
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:07,440
really in like regular civilian world, I could not get

796
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,440
anybody to perform. Like the issue is they like will

797
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,360
be like hot and have you and ready to go,

798
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,519
and then like lifeless like no, like no.

799
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,119
Speaker 1: Life on planet Earth down the are Like I think

800
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,559
they were intimidated by you. It's very possible. Did they

801
00:37:23,679 --> 00:37:25,519
know that you had been an adult sty I always

802
00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:26,840
assumed that everybody knows.

803
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's like because then then, oh

804
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,320
I had no idea. I'm like yeah, whatever, like like

805
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,119
I'm sure you like there's no way you can't know

806
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:38,440
if you were a teenager in your life when when

807
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,840
I was in the industry, then you definitely I was

808
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,719
on your hard drive.

809
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,039
Speaker 1: There's no way. I'm shot so much. There's no way.

810
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,119
Speaker 2: LimeWire for sure, okay had me like all over your vision.

811
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

812
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 2: So so then there was that or like they were

813
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,480
just like not in like thirty seconds and them just

814
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,159
pissed off where they have a micro PENI ands I'm

815
00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:00,960
like wow, I was like bring a hot dog down.

816
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,599
Speaker 1: A hallway like like like that it was good for you.

817
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: So so I assume that like penis size is important to.

818
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 2: You, it does to an extent because like I've had

819
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:16,320
average guys that like rock my world. I've had a

820
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,519
micro penis that literally every time I slept with him,

821
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,480
I would squirt buckets and I mean micro penis. It

822
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:26,960
was the weirdest thing. He was shorter than I am.

823
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,079
It was this tie black guy and literally just.

824
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: But he must have made just squirt with his hand. No,

825
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:37,760
what is micro penis? Yes? How does that? I don't know.

826
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:39,639
Speaker 2: It was an act of God and then we were

827
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:41,159
able to replicate it over and over again.

828
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: I saw him often. Okay, hold on home, you say

829
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,519
micro penis like how big? Like like I would have

830
00:38:46,519 --> 00:38:48,400
to jerk him off with two fingers. There was no

831
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:50,400
like full of fist wrapping around.

832
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: It was so like two inches I would say, like

833
00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:57,840
three inches three inches. We had a big mushroom cap

834
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,400
headed okay, And I feel like when and that would

835
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,360
just go in and I had like a curve too.

836
00:39:02,679 --> 00:39:05,039
I feel like that I would literally be like a

837
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:07,679
toy like one of those crews like that Hagar spot.

838
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,800
And it got me, Oh, I'm an equal opportunity employee

839
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,239
over here, like and then like I also get the

840
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,199
people who are like, are do you just like black guys.

841
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:22,079
I'm like, listen, there's there's only one race, and that's

842
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,440
the human race in my book, and it just so

843
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:26,840
happens that I get up with them, and I do

844
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,480
love it. I love from Virginia a black boy, but I.

845
00:39:29,639 --> 00:39:33,599
Speaker 1: Just it's not like something I seek, you know, It's

846
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:34,519
just different.

847
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:38,559
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's as far as the size, Yeah, I

848
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,760
like to I don't like it to be too large

849
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,559
where I can't deep throam because then I feel I

850
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,079
have to remove my molars and I don't want to

851
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:46,519
do that. Yeah.

852
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: I actually feel the same way, and then then it

853
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,239
feels like I feel like I'm not accomplished.

854
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:54,519
Speaker 1: Right Yeah there. Yeah, speaking of like monster dicks, have

855
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:57,480
you had? Have you done like Dread or anyone like that.

856
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: I haven't worked with Dread yet, but I do have

857
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,559
a collab with Nicki.

858
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:04,199
Speaker 1: Ben's in the books right now that we're.

859
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 3: With Nicki, Ben's and Tread, I was like, cause Nikki

860
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,079
doesn't be yeah, no.

861
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 2: US three so oh wow, Yeah, that's going to be

862
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,719
in the end of August.

863
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: It's such a nice guy. I'm sure you've met him.

864
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,800
I think I've just met him in Passing Ben.

865
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 2: It's lovely it's crazy because I don't know any I

866
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,679
feel like I'm the new kid on the block, so

867
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,760
I don't know anyone except for like the people from

868
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:29,159
prior to ten years ago. So I'm learning new faces

869
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:33,159
and new names. And and that's just the one that

870
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:35,400
everybody's been saying, you need to work with him because

871
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,639
I worked with Shane Diesel. I worked with the Mendango

872
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,840
and Lexington Steele and those bigger guys, and.

873
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,679
Speaker 1: Uh, they're like, they're like, you need to do anal

874
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,639
with him. I'm like, wait, wait, let me just see

875
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:46,440
it first. Get it.

876
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,599
Speaker 2: Like everybody's reception, I'm large is as different, but it's

877
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:53,360
like Shane Diesel, Yeah okay, you.

878
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,119
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah yeah.

879
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 3: What's it like like coming back and being you know,

880
00:40:58,559 --> 00:41:01,280
do you feel all almost like a newbie even though

881
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,480
you're a veteran because you've been out for so long.

882
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,519
Speaker 2: Yes, because everything's changed, like names, like the lingo has changed,

883
00:41:09,559 --> 00:41:13,360
even like collapse used to be concient trade mainstream was

884
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,199
never porn, okay with real movies. When people were like, oh,

885
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,920
you shoot mainstream, I'm like what, No, I don't like, no,

886
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:21,320
you shoot like pro stuff.

887
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess.

888
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,599
Speaker 2: And then you have like the creator like side of things,

889
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:28,920
and then like that the pro girl type things of

890
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:34,079
the studio work, and then there's like the influencer like bubble,

891
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,440
and it's like there's so many different layers to the

892
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,360
business now, and then also social media being like your

893
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,960
traffic generating machine. Like before it was just like my

894
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:48,280
digital photo album, and now I'm like I have to

895
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,840
worry about algorithms and shadow banning and all this crazy

896
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,239
Stuff'm like, wait, like I need to like find somebody

897
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,199
that knows all about this because I don't. This is

898
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:00,239
all different language.

899
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: So have you found the industry to be more lucrative

900
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:03,960
since you've gotten back?

901
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: I feel like there's definitely this guy's limit. The ball

902
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,719
is in our court now as a female as far

903
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,519
as how far we want to take it. And ultimately,

904
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,840
you know, yes, it's good to do the studio work,

905
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:19,920
to do you know, to stay relevant and and and

906
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:24,360
see that side of the industry too, But really there's

907
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:28,159
there's women that don't even shoot hardcore stuff on OnlyFans

908
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,559
that that make a ship ton of money, you know.

909
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,519
Speaker 1: So it's a lot of money and it's just where

910
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:34,159
you want to take it.

911
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,559
Speaker 2: How far do you want to go and and and

912
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:41,400
I always tell people it's like, you know, ultimately, it's

913
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,920
like the military. You got to use the military, not

914
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,719
let it use you, just like you got to use

915
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,760
the adult industry and not let it use you because it.

916
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,119
Speaker 1: Will interesting, like in what way?

917
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,159
Speaker 2: Well, but being taken advantage of, you know, by whether

918
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:55,320
it's a management company or an agency or a studio

919
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,920
or something like that, you know, doing some things outside

920
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,599
of your comfort zone, rather than you be a sort

921
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,199
of advocate for yourself and then and then and then

922
00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:08,960
market yourself like you're this like one hundred thousand dollars horse,

923
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:11,719
you know, like you could you could be a ten

924
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,719
thousand dollar horse. But if you market yourself like one

925
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,519
hundred thousand dollars horse, then everyone's gonna believe it, and

926
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:17,079
then you.

927
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: Are you know.

928
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 2: So it's it's it's kind of nice to have that ability.

929
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,679
Before we just relied on the companies to do the

930
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:23,559
marketing for us.

931
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you had so much less choice. Yeah, it's

932
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:27,719
like did I make the box cover?

933
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: I remember swifting through Avian magazine and seeing what movies

934
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,280
I shot that had me on the box cover, and

935
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,760
that was like, okay, cool, and that was it that

936
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:37,480
was the marketing?

937
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 3: So I mean speaking of so you came in at eighteen, right,

938
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:45,760
did you find that you had a hard time setting

939
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,119
boundaries with people? Did you find that there were times

940
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:51,280
that you were taking advantage of looking back?

941
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,039
Speaker 1: Would you have started later if you could have?

942
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,159
Speaker 2: I probably would have started later, just because I had

943
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:58,559
already wanted to be a nine on one dispatcher at

944
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:03,480
that point and the pouring kept me from that, because

945
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,039
I felt like that would have been a stepping stone

946
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,239
to do first responding, like you know, the first the

947
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,599
firefighter aspect and I and I do wish I would

948
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:14,920
have started that much sooner. I uh, I do feel

949
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,320
like in the beginning, I because I just didn't know.

950
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:21,960
There was one time I went into a studio and

951
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,239
it was later, it was later at nights, and I

952
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,119
didn't realize that my my agent at that time was

953
00:44:27,159 --> 00:44:30,559
basically a suitcase pimp. So I was like waiting for

954
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,639
the camera guy to show up and all that stuff

955
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:33,719
was like maybe it's hidden.

956
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,559
Speaker 1: I was just naive. I didn't know, and ended up

957
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:37,519
being kind of like a.

958
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: Like an escorting gig it with me and another girl

959
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,000
and then we just we just ended up just talking

960
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,079
their things and then and then we got paid.

961
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, well where was the camera? But

962
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,400
I didn't know.

963
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:50,519
Speaker 2: But I just didn't know better because I was I

964
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,719
lived in it. I grew up in a very very

965
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,760
good environment. I wasn't really exposed to like the bad

966
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,280
side of of certain things and that that kind of

967
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,000
dark world.

968
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: So I just didn't really think that was something I

969
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:03,360
was doing.

970
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 2: You were trusting, Yeah, I just didn't think. I didn't

971
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,000
think like that. It just wasn't part of my comprehension.

972
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:13,559
So at the end of the day, I do feel

973
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:17,719
like those type of situations hardened me in a sense

974
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,840
where now I advocate for myself now, like you kind

975
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,960
of have to do those kind of like have those

976
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,320
moments we're like, oh.

977
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that again. That's the boundary. It's been

978
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:27,000
set now.

979
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: So yeah, what advice would you give to like your

980
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,400
eighteen year old self or anybody looking to come into

981
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:33,920
the industry.

982
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:35,599
Speaker 1: It will be.

983
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 2: Around forever if you ever plan on having another career

984
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,360
or if you think this is forever, it's not. And

985
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:49,679
anticipating having to go into the workforce outside of a

986
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,679
shooting porn and that's going to follow you. People will

987
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,639
recognize you, and people will there will be the stigma,

988
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,440
and you know, you may just end up seeming to

989
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:03,320
other people through their eyes as a pretty girl with

990
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,920
the body and nothing more than that. So if you

991
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:10,320
if you have substance and you want and you want

992
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:15,840
that to be seen in the long run, without that

993
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:17,960
the dark cloud.

994
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:21,079
Speaker 1: Hovering over you, I would give a long look.

995
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 2: Because even when I was in real estate, there would

996
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:28,960
be people that would just fans that would come and

997
00:46:29,159 --> 00:46:31,800
contact me, not letting me know that they were a fan,

998
00:46:32,199 --> 00:46:35,199
and give me fake proof of funds and like.

999
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,039
Speaker 1: Just so they could meet so they can meet me.

1000
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: Or like there was one guy would I took out

1001
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:44,719
two days worth of showing property, wrote a contract, got it,

1002
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,440
accept it, and then he pulled out. I was like, oh,

1003
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,920
I'm sorry, I didn't really want it after all? Do

1004
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,159
you want to go get like cocktails? And I was

1005
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:52,920
like come on, I was like, I'm not having drinks

1006
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,440
with you until after ascrow has closed and everything's been funded.

1007
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: There's not a chance.

1008
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: And then people like death like writing my kids because

1009
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,760
I called them out, and that that fake pof of

1010
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,679
funds thing and all that it's and even when I

1011
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,719
was doing cosmetology. I had left the business for a

1012
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,079
second to pursue cosmetology and be a hairdresser. And when

1013
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,760
I was trying to use my fans and my social

1014
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,880
media as like your way to get clients, they would

1015
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,320
just end up in the parking lot waiting for me

1016
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,360
to leave the salon so they can follow me home.

1017
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,280
So yeah, stuff like that that kind of ruined it

1018
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:32,079
for life after porn just makes it much much more difficult.

1019
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:37,840
So think about those things, and then also like relationships too.

1020
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:40,679
I find it very difficult to have a relationship being

1021
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:44,760
in this industry and even outside when I during that

1022
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,800
six year period, I had a lot of issues.

1023
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: Even getting late apparently, you know.

1024
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: So it's like it's so many things you don't think

1025
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,360
about when you're eighteen.

1026
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm just gonna have fun, you know.

1027
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 3: It's much more than what is the biggest obstacle that

1028
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:07,119
you find in dating, specifically getting a date in the

1029
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:07,559
first place.

1030
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't get asked to go on dates. They

1031
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,280
I'm just kind of like not on the table as

1032
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,480
far as they're concerned, you know. So it's kind of

1033
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,320
another reason why I went into the lifestyle because it's

1034
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:23,840
not so taboo. They're more jaded in the lifestyle, and

1035
00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:28,360
I can get my sex those strings attached and be

1036
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,039
able to.

1037
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: Have fun experiences and.

1038
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 2: Meet connection, like have connections with people when I don't

1039
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:35,559
really get to.

1040
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: Have that with regular, non lifestyle, non foreign people.

1041
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:41,679
Speaker 3: So tell me a little bit more about the lifestyle.

1042
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,719
What if people get wrong about the lifestyle, what is

1043
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,320
it given you.

1044
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: I think people believe that swingers are just a bunch

1045
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:52,119
of old people, or like there's a hot wife and

1046
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:55,159
then an ugly husband. It depends on where you go, obviously,

1047
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,880
But I just went on this Cancun trip to Temptation

1048
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,800
Resort and there was a full blown takeover.

1049
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:05,679
Speaker 1: It was a tryst.

1050
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm told this is a plug right now because this

1051
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,960
was an amazing week long trip and I've never been

1052
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,079
around so many hot people in my life, like fashion

1053
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:19,519
runway type model looking women with like athletic or bodybuilding husbands,

1054
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:21,920
and I'm like, I am a kid in the candy stork.

1055
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:25,440
Usually it's like everyone's praying on me because I'm the unicorn.

1056
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,199
I am like eating mean money mue, you know, like yeah, amazing.

1057
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,800
So yeah, so it is possible and it's just getting

1058
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,159
in with the right groups of swinger community to be

1059
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,760
invited and and and it's not hard to get invited

1060
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:41,320
as a unicorn, especially if.

1061
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: You're a girl. Yeah you're a girl.

1062
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: If you're a guy, then you better get with a

1063
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,239
hot chick because yeah, it's gonna.

1064
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: Be more way.

1065
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean the swinger lifestyle has changed that.

1066
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,239
My parents used to be swingings, and I remember they

1067
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,719
said that they went to like I think the first

1068
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,119
swinger party they went to is.

1069
00:49:58,039 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: Back in like the seventies, you know what I mean.

1070
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: She was like, my mom was like, we were like

1071
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,480
the best looking people there, and afterwards, like the guy

1072
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,760
who ran it like just kept calling them again and

1073
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,440
again and like begging them to come back.

1074
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:10,639
Speaker 1: My mom also had this.

1075
00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,159
Speaker 3: Oh God, she had this theory where she considered herself

1076
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:16,199
like the goddess of love.

1077
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:18,199
Speaker 1: It's a very generous spirit.

1078
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,159
Speaker 3: So she'd find the ugliest person in the room and

1079
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:22,159
go fuck them because she felt bad for them and

1080
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,679
she wanted to like grant them the generosity of like

1081
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,239
having sex with her hot I.

1082
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: Call that a sympathy. Fuck.

1083
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: There's such a bizarre amount of like generosity of heart

1084
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,360
and narcissism wrapped up in that.

1085
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: I don't really know how to take it. That's so

1086
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,199
funny speaking up my mom. Actually we were talking earlier.

1087
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 3: You said you had a funny story about her because

1088
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,000
so my mom shot Eva quite a bit back in

1089
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:45,360
the day.

1090
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we Okay, I remember the first time I

1091
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:53,519
was shooting for her. Derek was my agent, and Derek, Hey, Derek, Hey,

1092
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:57,079
down't bait y'all light. Yeah, and like here he gave

1093
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,920
me the lowdowns, like if you're not a ten when

1094
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,639
you show up, she'll just send your asshole.

1095
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: So kim knowing that, yeah, that's entirely true.

1096
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 2: But okay, well, like your nails done right and like

1097
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:13,800
look like just kept well yeah, keep and stuff like

1098
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,440
that if you show up like.

1099
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 1: A train rag and you're like, we can't shoot this. Yeah.

1100
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: So he had booked me the night before for this

1101
00:51:21,559 --> 00:51:25,159
thing called porn Star punch Outs, Okay, and it was

1102
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:28,400
a bunch of us porn chicks hosted by Ron Jeremy

1103
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,440
in this boxing match, and we all thought that we

1104
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,599
were gonna have those like fun inflatable boxing gloves and

1105
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:36,440
we're just getting like and then.

1106
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:37,559
Speaker 1: There was no harm done.

1107
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:41,079
Speaker 2: You know when we get there, it's like full blown boxing.

1108
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:41,679
Speaker 1: Okay.

1109
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 2: They want us to box each other with like legit

1110
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,599
gloves and we don't know who we're fighting. I told

1111
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:49,760
the girls, I'm like, whoever I get paired with, I

1112
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:50,719
will let you win.

1113
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: Okay.

1114
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,079
Speaker 2: I don't give a shit about this. I have a

1115
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:54,320
shoot for sues tomorrow.

1116
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: I can't look like I just got beat up. I can't.

1117
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,199
There's no way.

1118
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: So of course I told I told the when I

1119
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,719
when I I ended up doing the fight the girl.

1120
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: The first scene that she did was hit me.

1121
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: Full blown, like like full force okay in my face,

1122
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,159
and I was like I saw red after that, and

1123
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:18,760
I remember I I was so in in this fight,

1124
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,280
blacked out. When I got done, my nails had like

1125
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,199
broken inside of my gloves. Okay, so I'm like missing

1126
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,360
like four nails. I'm like, it's like midnight. How am

1127
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,639
I going to fix this? Like I need like press

1128
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,079
ons and what like. So it was like it was

1129
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:35,880
dramatic for me. So I was like, I can't be

1130
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,239
sent home it sues. Everybody wanted to shoot for her,

1131
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,079
but she was so like her her minimum standard was

1132
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,480
so high. Yeah yeah, and it was like I just

1133
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:48,880
needed to look at my best when I showed up.

1134
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,679
Speaker 1: So thanks, Derek added this extra stress.

1135
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that you like somehow figured out the nail

1136
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,440
thing and you shut up and everything, Yes.

1137
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 2: And everything was fine. That it was like like full disclosure.

1138
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,760
All the girls like, don't it me hard. I will

1139
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,000
let you win. This is not like no I ever

1140
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:05,719
see this. Okay, Like I don't care about this. I

1141
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,559
care about sus Oh you're shooting with sues. We're gonna

1142
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:12,880
fucking beat you up. Wow, that is so funny. How

1143
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:15,639
long were you away for the adult industry for? So?

1144
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 1: It was twenty sixteen, it was I think, so no,

1145
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,519
it was eight years. Eight years. What brought you back? Oh? Goodness, gracious.

1146
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 2: While I was dealing with family issues being a single mom,

1147
00:53:27,039 --> 00:53:31,280
and my teenage daughter decided to be a menace to society,

1148
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,440
so I had to put her in a military boy

1149
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,320
in school and on a fire income that's like half

1150
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,159
more than half of my income. And so when I

1151
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,079
started to like really tap into my savings and everything,

1152
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:49,440
I had my one of my fire girlfriends like, what

1153
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,679
are you doing? I'm like, what do you mean? It's like,

1154
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,320
I you literally have a winning lottery ticket. You won't

1155
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,239
cash it in. And it's like, but like, I worked

1156
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:59,719
so hard for this career, like you.

1157
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:01,519
Speaker 3: Work so hard to get out of the adult industry,

1158
00:54:01,519 --> 00:54:03,840
to get away from the stigma that it attaches. Yeah,

1159
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,320
I would like have a normal life, like get a

1160
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,280
real job, as so many people's say, Yeah, get.

1161
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:10,559
Speaker 2: A real career like I had. It was a perfectly

1162
00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:13,239
good career. I was super happy. It's just I didn't

1163
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,159
have the support system. And that was the only thing

1164
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:20,119
that that had changed through the career was that, you know,

1165
00:54:20,119 --> 00:54:21,920
I left my boy around all this like stuff. I

1166
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,679
didn't have the family either out there in Florida, and

1167
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:28,400
and and I was afraid I was gonna run on her. Honestly,

1168
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,400
I thought that she would like end up like hit

1169
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,000
by a car, like you know, running the streets in

1170
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:37,800
some og who knows, like all the all the thoughts.

1171
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: Were going through, all the things that you saw. Yeah

1172
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,199
that was not the internment, yeah yeah yeah.

1173
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 2: And putting her in military boarding school was kind of

1174
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,039
like my way of saving her life.

1175
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: And until I figured things out, and.

1176
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: Ultimately I just said fuck it, pulled the trigger and

1177
00:54:53,199 --> 00:54:57,039
I left quietly until anybody except my fire chief and

1178
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:02,760
the one girl that that had had a hard heart with.

1179
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:06,039
Speaker 1: Me and and then just left.

1180
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: Had some really great shifts towards the end where I'm like, man,

1181
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:13,360
I really want to leave, like come on.

1182
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: But I still do the swift water Rescued.

1183
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: I'm an adjunct instructor for the company that teaches all

1184
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,400
the firefighters and beach patrol swift water rescues. I still

1185
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,119
do that a few times a year. And I'm working

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on my pre rex for medical school right now too,

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so oh wow, Yeah, so I'm definitely going towards emergency medicine,

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and you know, we'll just we'll see how, you know,

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the starting over with the dealing with the stigma of

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having returned and now trying to get into medical school.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be in the career of the end.

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00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:50,760
Let's let's be real. I mean, you gotta try. I

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00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,719
have to try. The time is going to go buy anyways. Yeah, yeah,

1194
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,480
that's a good point.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So when you decided to make the return to porn, like,

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00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,960
what was your because You're like, Okay, I'm just gonna

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leave and go into this full time.

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Speaker 1: So what was your plan?

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Speaker 3: Like, did you have studios lined up that you know

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you wanted to shoot, were you going to start only fans?

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Speaker 1: But you weren't going to do it until you let

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like what was the plan?

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Speaker 2: So I didn't start my only fans until I put

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in my my resignation.

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Speaker 1: So I gave him the two weeks notice, and then.

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Speaker 2: I still, like, I still opened the account and like

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started setting everything up and social media's and stuff, but

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I hadn't started making content yet. And then I actually

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the first conversation I had, I was on a ski

1210
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,760
trip with those those firefighters that convinced me, and I

1211
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,239
called Kieran Lee and I was like, tell me, like,

1212
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what do I do? Everything's different. You know, my old

1213
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agents aren't agents anymore. So I'm like I came and

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just talk to them and and I was just going

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in blindly, and he gave me like the low down

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and put me in touch with Browsers. And then I

1217
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got in touch with my old publicist, Mike Maas.

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Speaker 1: Not knowing that he was running Vicent. Yeah, running Vicent.

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Speaker 2: And then he's like, don't sign anything yet, I'll be

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give me a day. I was like, okay, whatever that means.

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And then then the next day he's like, here's a contract. Wow.

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Speaker 3: And being able to come back under the Vixen umbrella

1223
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is a huge deal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was really really nice.

1225
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Speaker 2: I was definitely just taking really good care of you know,

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shooting great quality.

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Speaker 1: Movies with great talent and.

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Speaker 2: Having just just not realizing how big Vixen was too,

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and I was like, sure, I've never been contracted before,

1230
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Let's do it. It's maz you know, I love him, and

1231
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:34,639
just to be with that safe space that I know

1232
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so well it was nice too. And seeing some of

1233
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the old director like laurn Sky he was directing and

1234
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,000
Derek those are and those are my.

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00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: Old peeps and stuff, so it felt really good. And

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then yeah, just.

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Speaker 2: They also did the gang Bang for the Firefighter gang Bang.

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That was I'm all proud of. I remember calling it

1239
00:57:56,559 --> 00:57:58,320
my fire Chief and like, hey, just you know this

1240
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is happening, so.

1241
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Speaker 1: Just be prepared.

1242
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:04,079
Speaker 2: It's gonna be released on this date, so people might

1243
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be talking about it.

1244
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Speaker 1: So just wanted to give your heads up. I just

1245
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,480
wanted to give a little nod to yeah, wow, you

1246
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:12,559
might be hearing some shatter.

1247
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,719
Speaker 3: Was there a part of you that was worried like

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00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:19,039
people wouldn't remember you or you would come back and

1249
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,440
like you wouldn't be able to support yourself through this

1250
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,320
career or were you pretty confident that it was going

1251
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to work out.

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00:58:24,039 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: There's always a way.

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00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,199
Speaker 2: I feel like, if you allow yourself to be defeated

1254
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:33,039
and you surrender, then yeah, that's what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: But I'm too tenacious for that. I don't.

1256
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:39,119
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't take no for an answer. And

1257
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,239
there's my mind My mind frame is always like there's

1258
00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:46,280
always like there's got to be a better way. If

1259
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:47,960
this is not working, there's got to be a better way,

1260
00:58:48,039 --> 00:58:51,280
you know, just finding alternatives and seeing what what what

1261
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,559
clicks and having the aha moments and whatnot.

1262
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:57,119
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean you've definitely, like you know, traveled

1263
00:58:57,159 --> 00:59:00,000
so many different paths. It seems that you're not somebody

1264
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:03,280
who's easily dissuaded by a little bit of failure, which

1265
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,760
you know, they say the road to success.

1266
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 2: Kay, failing your time, You fails when you fail when

1267
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:09,480
you stop attempting.

1268
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:12,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, every failed attempt is not.

1269
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: A failure verse I step closer to the discusses.

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00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, Eva, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 1: It was so good to see you again. Thank you

1272
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,800
so much for having me on such for notice. Of course, no,

1273
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,199
it was a pleasure. Of course.

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Speaker 3: We're going to be doing a separate little segment for

1275
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,320
Patreon where Patreon members can send in their questions and

1276
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,559
Eva will answer them for you. Go to patreon dot com, slash,

1277
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:39,920
Holly Randall and filtered for access to that. But for now,

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00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,800
can you tell everyone where they can find you on social?

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Speaker 2: Yes, my Instagram is Evangelina dot tv, Twitter is Eva Angelina,

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and my YouTube channel is Eva Angelina TV.

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Speaker 3: Perfect Amazing, And you guys, of course can follow me

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00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,039
on Instagram at Holly Randall, also on Twitter or x.

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1286
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,920
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