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Speaker 1: again reiterate that Ryan identifies as one hundred percent heterosexual,
Speaker 1: which would mean zero percent homosexual, or any other possibility
Speaker 1: that may be out there we're not aware of. So Ryan,
Speaker 1: is that sufficient didn't.
Speaker 2: Want us all that energy with that one that left
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Speaker 1: Sales, so it's so creasy lyrics, making everything.
Speaker 4: Oh so freely the lies they're feeling.
Speaker 2: Or do you just cut it off?
Speaker 1: I just I can cut it off whenever I want,
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Speaker 1: but it's the full length version, and I just cut
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Speaker 2: I don't listen to this show, so I've only heard
Speaker 2: the song once, so it's fine.
Speaker 1: You and everyone else doesn't listen to this show.
Speaker 2: That's true, That's extremely true.
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Speaker 3: But we're back. We're back. We're talking about god knows what.
Speaker 1: No, we're talking about the John waters Hey Cinema, Queer
Speaker 1: Cinema podcast, Pride Month series with Refall and his husband Mark,
Speaker 1: and we are finishing the Trash trilogy with Ryan Desperate
Speaker 1: Living Desperate Living, which came out.
Speaker 2: What Do Year nineteen seventy seven, and.
Speaker 3: Ryan, this is your choice? Correct?
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And much like how Refall was forced to pick an
Speaker 1: American movie, you were forced to pick a movie that
Speaker 1: made you seem not pretentious because you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: going to pick an African movie, or I'm going to
Speaker 1: pick this movie I've never seen, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, shut up. But uh, anyways, desper Living,
Speaker 1: So Ryan, I had never seen this movie before.
Speaker 3: Why don't you take the lead from here?
Speaker 2: Sure? When I was buying all of his movies on
Speaker 2: t this was the hardest one to find, So I
Speaker 2: was like, why, I think that's very bizarre because everything
Speaker 2: else is readily available. So I was like, this has
Speaker 2: to be something different. I solely picked this because I
Speaker 2: just love this title so much. I think he's very
Speaker 2: underrated at titling his movies. I think it's a very.
Speaker 1: This is my favorite of the Trash trilogy. This is
Speaker 1: my favorite movie we covered in the series.
Speaker 2: That's shocking to hear because it was my pick. But
Speaker 2: what I think is interesting is, uh, this one, he's
Speaker 2: like we were like the past move all the movies
Speaker 2: he's made, like he's creating like these subsets of Baltimore,
Speaker 2: of like the world he's in, and this one truly
Speaker 2: is like a different world, Like there's a whole different
Speaker 2: order of society. And I just thought, like how he
Speaker 2: made this society up? How fucking insane it is? Who's
Speaker 2: in charge? It was just so funny, so deranged, so insane.
Speaker 2: Any tangent I thought was just I thought it was
Speaker 2: really funny. So I was when I first watched all
Speaker 2: the movies, this was the one I was the most like,
Speaker 2: not so much shock value, but it's taking it back
Speaker 2: by by how much I liked. But yeah, what did
Speaker 2: you guys think? Had you guys seen it before too?
Speaker 5: I've seen this one before. I was probably very high
Speaker 5: when I when I watched it, Uh so it was
Speaker 5: nice to watch it sober. This one starts at an eleven,
Speaker 5: like like this whole scene with like mink Stole at
Speaker 5: the house is like really intense.
Speaker 3: Well that's that.
Speaker 1: This is like two of my favorite parts of the movie.
Speaker 1: First of all, the opening credits are amazing. It's so
Speaker 1: you're looking down at a at a fine dining table
Speaker 1: and they're putting down like china and silverware and everything
Speaker 1: is very fancy and it's clearly like this like elite
Speaker 1: gala event table. And then the meat they end up
Speaker 1: serving is a dead rat and I was just like.
Speaker 2: It's also the poster. I think it's a fucking genius
Speaker 2: poster or two for the movie. I love that.
Speaker 1: And Migstole is a suburban housewife who is turned up
Speaker 1: to nineteen out of ten as far as anxiety and
Speaker 1: emotions and just like freaking the fuck out when the
Speaker 1: husband is coming.
Speaker 2: Like the movie opens with a husband walking outside of
Speaker 2: this house talking to the doctor, and the doctor's like, hey,
Speaker 2: she has to go back inside, like this is not
Speaker 2: going to work like this. She can't be outside anymore,
Speaker 2: she's too diressed, And the husband just goes the road
Speaker 2: to mental health is just around the corner. They cut
Speaker 2: to a baseball smashing her window and she just starts
Speaker 2: screaming and I lost it. I just lost it because
Speaker 2: it was just like that's all it took. And she's like,
Speaker 2: they're trying to fucking assassinate me. She's going absolutely insane.
Speaker 2: She finds her two young kids having sex with each other,
Speaker 2: I guess, and they're very young, and she's freaking out.
Speaker 3: They were just like, oh, well, no, that's not what happens.
Speaker 2: When she walks in the room, they're separated.
Speaker 4: And then she yells seldomides, that's what you're learning in
Speaker 4: a private school.
Speaker 1: So it is very let me let me clarify this
Speaker 1: because this is very important. It's extremely jarring that there's
Speaker 1: like two naked eight year olds because this is again,
Speaker 1: this is the seventies.
Speaker 3: What movie is sorry, what movies this? What year? Is this?
Speaker 3: Seventy seven? But there's like two naked eight.
Speaker 1: Year olds playing, But it's depicted as like well, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, like Blue Lagoon and Brookshields and that whole insanity.
Speaker 1: It's not as weird for the time. However, it's very
Speaker 1: jarring now it's depicted though, as like, kids are naked
Speaker 1: sometimes and it's not a big deal. They were acting
Speaker 1: very innocently. They're absolutely not having sex. But mink Stole
Speaker 1: is so insane that she overreacts to everything. And when
Speaker 1: she sees two children that are not clothed together, she
Speaker 1: accuses them of raping each other.
Speaker 2: So I was in her same headspace. I guess when
Speaker 2: she opened the door put it that way.
Speaker 3: I'm right right, like Mark and Rafon, Yeah.
Speaker 4: The same way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I misread that. So she throws them out.
Speaker 2: She goes in this absolute tirade. Meanwhile, Griselda, their housekeeper,
Speaker 2: is witnessing all this chaos. This poor woman, so she
Speaker 2: is like their housekeeper. She's hearing all this stuff, these
Speaker 2: conflicts between the husband and her, and the husband accuses Griselda,
Speaker 2: accuses and quotes of stealing from their house. He then
Speaker 2: she just grabs her Yes if she was. He opens
Speaker 2: the purse. He's like, here's my savings account with the
Speaker 2: with with like slips. Here is my stuff. It was
Speaker 2: just everything. She's like, okay, you copy, Like what are
Speaker 2: you going to do? Yeah, So he fires her. He
Speaker 2: goes back upstairs, telling Peggy, hey, like you're like, you
Speaker 2: know everything's gonna be okay whatever. He gets frustrated, starts
Speaker 2: yelling at her. Peggy, being a hypochondriac, screams for Giselda
Speaker 2: to come help her. She's saying he's trying to hurt me.
Speaker 2: Griselda stops him. Peggy hits him over the head with something.
Speaker 2: Griselda sits on his face and I believe suffocates him.
Speaker 3: It kills him.
Speaker 1: Griselda is a very morbidly obsed African American woman.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this iss fine. Scenes of riding somebody of
Speaker 4: their life.
Speaker 2: Yes, just amazing how she did it. She just took
Speaker 2: control and that happens. So then it becomes a new
Speaker 2: felm in Louise. That's how I was distinct thinking this
Speaker 2: of they're on the run and they come across Morphil,
Speaker 2: this fantasy world.
Speaker 1: I want to explain. I have this brief example. Mink Stahl,
Speaker 1: who is the main character, kind of Peggy Ravel is
Speaker 1: so insane that she answers the phone. She's so just
Speaker 1: like she's a delusional, paranoid, over the top housewife. Somebody
Speaker 1: calls her landline and it's the wrong number, and she screams.
Speaker 3: You call the wrong number. How can I you ever return.
Speaker 1: The last thirty seconds, I just lost of my life.
Speaker 1: I hate you and I hate your children.
Speaker 3: And then hangs up.
Speaker 1: I wrote, mink Stall deserves an Oscar for this performance,
Speaker 1: and like, I'm not even kidding, but Mortphil is so
Speaker 1: they have to flee because they killed this man, this
Speaker 1: white man.
Speaker 3: Mark.
Speaker 1: How would you describe Mortphil other than where you would
Speaker 1: like to live?
Speaker 4: Let's maybe it's talk with the translation of the words
Speaker 4: Morteville from French would be the town of the dead.
Speaker 3: Thanks, professor, Oh, I'm so European.
Speaker 5: You'll always for whatever welcome. I would say the best.
Speaker 5: The best thing about Mortville is the cops. That's like
Speaker 5: the only reason to go to Mordville. It's been pretty alive.
Speaker 5: But otherwise, like it's.
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know, like where you didn't like the
Speaker 2: cop before Mortville? The guy you didn't like the cop
Speaker 2: before Morey, that's.
Speaker 5: True, that's I know. I did not like the cop
Speaker 5: outside of Morville was not he was? Yeah, so that
Speaker 5: that also they hear of Mordville because they're on the run.
Speaker 5: They get pulled over by another creep. You know, there's
Speaker 5: always this creep in the like you know, on the
Speaker 5: roads who basically like wants them to like he wants
Speaker 5: their panties or something.
Speaker 4: And then in exchange, he.
Speaker 5: Tells them about this kind of safe haven where they
Speaker 5: can go, which is Mordville and not get like you know,
Speaker 5: the prosecuted there. And Mordeville is like this shanty town
Speaker 5: that has just like all of the like real underbelly
Speaker 5: of society, like all the outcasts, all the criminals hanging
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 4: And yeah, they they.
Speaker 5: And they have this police force who are these like
Speaker 5: attractive like men in leather, and it is run it
Speaker 5: is like ruled by the Queen of Mordeville, who has
Speaker 5: like a castle.
Speaker 2: In this place. I love fake of it, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but unapologetic, like how it looks like when people are
Speaker 2: near it, it's tiny, but like then they just do
Speaker 2: it another way it looks huge. I think that's so hilarious. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Queen Karlata is amazing played by Edith Massey in the
Speaker 2: previous movies. I think she's absolutely fucking cooking In this movie.
Speaker 1: Queen Carlotta is the woman who marries Eggman and is
Speaker 1: also the woman who thinks her son Getter or nephew
Speaker 1: Gators should be gay. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The highlight of well.
Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead was that mark. The highlight of this
Speaker 1: movie for me is Liz Renee. So the most beautiful
Speaker 1: woman in this shantytown Mortville is named Muffy Saint Jacques,
Speaker 1: and Muffy is.
Speaker 3: Beautiful. I love Liz Renee.
Speaker 1: I immediately was like, whoa, this is so up my alley.
Speaker 1: Liz Renee was basically a very early on like famous stripper,
Speaker 1: which back in the day, this is unheard of for
Speaker 1: somebody to be a famous stripper. She was married seven times,
Speaker 1: including to a famous actor. But I was reading about
Speaker 1: the production of this movie. John Lauters received a copy
Speaker 1: of Liz Renee's autobiography In My Face for the world
Speaker 1: to see, and wanted to offer her a role in
Speaker 1: the film. He went to see her Blessed show in Boston,
Speaker 1: then travel to la to offer her the all of
Speaker 1: Muffy's Saint Jaques. He offered her only a brief outline
Speaker 1: of the story, withholding major graphic details for fear that
Speaker 1: she might refuse the role. She accepted and flew to
Speaker 1: Baltimore for three weeks of filming, which was reportedly all
Speaker 1: the production could afford to pay her for her services.
Speaker 3: So she is just.
Speaker 1: Really hot, and I'm a huge fan of Muffy the
Speaker 1: Most Beautiful Girl and Morphil and also her her girlfriend
Speaker 1: or wife.
Speaker 3: The mole was.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be played by Divine, and Divine couldn't be
Speaker 1: in the movie for some reason.
Speaker 4: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: Divine is notably not in this and also the copy
Speaker 5: of messaging about this guy did not make it in
Speaker 5: the movie because he like he was addicted to PCP.
Speaker 4: The David Lockery who was in the other two movies.
Speaker 1: Yes, John Waters act was asked why was David Lockery
Speaker 1: not and jessper living and he just responded PCP. And
Speaker 1: then I looked David Lockery up after seeing that, and
Speaker 1: he died of a PCP overdose.
Speaker 3: You don't really hear a lot.
Speaker 1: Of people being addicted and dying from PCP. You hear cocaine,
Speaker 1: crack heroin, you know, all sorts of stuff, but you
Speaker 1: don't I don't know a lot of celebrities that have
Speaker 1: died from PCP specifically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, AnyWho, I really wish from the past movie, the
Speaker 2: prior that sort of the movies that happened after that,
Speaker 2: Mol McHenry got a little bit more shine as an
Speaker 2: actor I really liked her in this movie, and she
Speaker 2: kind of got more of like background characters in his
Speaker 2: future movies, even the ones post Divine. But I really
Speaker 2: liked mole that when Griselda and Peggy are on the run,
Speaker 2: when they first come into war Phil, she's like, hey,
Speaker 2: I need a place to save. This is a sign
Speaker 2: for vacancy. The first place he shows is just dead
Speaker 2: body on there, and she's like, don't worry, I'll get
Speaker 2: rid of the stiff.
Speaker 5: He committed suicide the night before and they haven't removed.
Speaker 2: When she just when she's like, you guys want to
Speaker 2: join me for dinner? Sure, And when they're sitting down,
Speaker 2: she's like, boy, you two are ugly bitches. She's just
Speaker 2: like so, she's so gruesome, and then she's serving them
Speaker 2: a dead animal, which probably, for all we know is
Speaker 2: real based on the prior movies. And that's of course
Speaker 2: where we meet Muffy and explain their dynamic, pretty pretty
Speaker 2: complicated relationship, stabbing her in the hand when she crosses
Speaker 2: her sare's a luck. There's a lot going on there,
Speaker 2: but pretty much from this point, Grizilda and Peggy are
Speaker 2: arrested by the Queen's Police, brought before her, we meet Cuckoo,
Speaker 2: her daughter, the Princess, who wants to marry I love
Speaker 2: this phrase. The Newdest mutant janitor from the Newdest Colony.
Speaker 2: Also in more Phil again it's John Waters. Just total
Speaker 2: Middle Earth here.
Speaker 1: Text I texted you, I said, this is I read,
Speaker 1: so after watching jes for Living, I had to read
Speaker 1: the Wikipedia plot description to make sure I understood.
Speaker 3: And this is my favorite part.
Speaker 1: Quote Carlotta's rebellious daughter, Princess Cuckoo attempts to elope with
Speaker 1: the nudest garbage collector, but he is killed by Carlotta's
Speaker 1: royal guards.
Speaker 2: Love it, love it.
Speaker 4: I think I would like to add that the moment
Speaker 4: he got he gets shot, or right before he gets shot,
Speaker 4: she says that she had jerked off fourteen times thinking
Speaker 4: about him within the same second.
Speaker 2: Basically yeah, when he's like poetically describing like I saw
Speaker 2: a used Kleenex and thought, if you were ever sick,
Speaker 2: I would take care of you. It's just like all
Speaker 2: like these things. I just everyone, It's just every level
Speaker 2: of it. I also loved they give the backstories for
Speaker 2: how like how people got to Mortville, and the backstories
Speaker 2: for Mole and Muffy are just because like Muffy seems
Speaker 2: because she seems like quote unquote the most normal person
Speaker 2: in that situation. Her backstory, like her husband's a drunk,
Speaker 2: she runs home, her babysitters having a party. Her babysitter
Speaker 2: says they're too high, so they can't find the kid,
Speaker 2: and they find their kid in refrigerator. I love that
Speaker 2: it was a real kid in the refrigerators open up and
Speaker 2: the kid comes out, and then the babysitter comes down.
Speaker 2: It's like, we have to pay me, Like she doesn't
Speaker 2: give a shit that the kid was lost and found,
Speaker 2: and then she just suffocates her in dog food. I
Speaker 2: think it's just perfect, and then hurts the husband. And
Speaker 2: then just Moll's backstory of being a wrestler and her
Speaker 2: costume is arasing Rida, Yeah, wrestling Rita, And she destroys
Speaker 2: the blockhead, just beats him to death, knocks his eye
Speaker 2: out of his head with a heel, and they're both
Speaker 2: just struggle the referee.
Speaker 1: The reason I love this movie more than Pink Flamingos
Speaker 1: and Female Trouble is because it's just sort of like
Speaker 1: Go Nuts. Go Nuts is John Waters. He makes up
Speaker 1: a whole fictional shanty town with its own monarchy and laws,
Speaker 1: and like the Queen Carlotta Institute's Backwards Day where everybody
Speaker 1: has to walk backwards.
Speaker 3: It's just so over the top ridiculous, even more so
Speaker 3: than the other two films.
Speaker 1: Even like the color schemes are insane, but people are
Speaker 1: wearing is insane. Uh, It's just it's like a cartoon.
Speaker 1: It's like if you took Female Trouble and made it
Speaker 1: a cartoon, which to me makes it way more palatable
Speaker 1: and fun, which is why it was my favorite one.
Speaker 2: I think what's interesting is like it still has like
Speaker 2: when Queen Carlotta makes them execute that guy who's just like,
Speaker 2: fuck you bitch when he comes to her, and like
Speaker 2: she just shoots them, so you're like, oh wow. Like
Speaker 2: she's also like this is why she's in control, because
Speaker 2: she's the same. But then during the parade, when Mole
Speaker 2: is like I just can't not take this opportunity and
Speaker 2: she just throws the mudball at Queen Carlotta, it almost
Speaker 2: seemed like it was real because the way Edith Matthews
Speaker 2: Turner's goes who threw that? And then nothing happens. They
Speaker 2: just cut to the next scene. I always thought it
Speaker 2: was so funny.
Speaker 1: It was just terrified, like, oh, that's a bad move
Speaker 1: because if you get caught.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's so it's so so deranged, so very
Speaker 2: heavy movie very much.
Speaker 1: So it is and and actually so I guess he
Speaker 1: caught a lot of flak for this. H Plus, I
Speaker 1: guess the title Desperate Living was the name of a
Speaker 1: popular lesbian magazine at the time. So and it was like,
Speaker 1: who are you, ay man to tell a lesbian story?
Speaker 3: So huh I.
Speaker 1: I would like to say in my list of fiction
Speaker 1: places to not use the bathroom, mort Phil would be
Speaker 1: up there.
Speaker 3: Really, there's a like.
Speaker 2: The Bolo glory Hole.
Speaker 1: The boot Gloryhole obviously was the best part of it,
Speaker 1: and I'm down for that. But they're the sink when
Speaker 1: you walk in. Like Mark said he was uncomfortable in
Speaker 1: mort Phil, he would be uncomfortable in Mortphill. And this
Speaker 1: is the man who wants to go to Flea Bottom.
Speaker 1: So he also loved Westworld when we talked about that
Speaker 1: back in the day. But there there there's a giant
Speaker 1: troughed sink to wash your hands, but it's labeled shits,
Speaker 1: so you take shit in there.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I love that. She goes through so like this is
Speaker 2: after they get arrested and they get I think, overhauled
Speaker 2: by the queen, and Peggy and Griselda are at that
Speaker 2: bar with them, and she has to walk through two
Speaker 2: different hallways at the bathroom. She's assaulted in both hallways
Speaker 2: by different people, like one one hallways super dark and
Speaker 2: someone just comes out and grass there. And then while
Speaker 2: she's in the bathroom, that woman the pink will not
Speaker 2: let her go. I love that. I think it's just
Speaker 2: like I just will not stay away from her.
Speaker 1: I should have realized this beforehand because I never really
Speaker 1: thought of it. But this is like, this is John
Speaker 1: Waters Alice in Wonderland, right, I mean, it's a completely
Speaker 1: fantastical world where there's the crazy queen who's like off
Speaker 1: of their heads.
Speaker 4: True.
Speaker 1: I genuinely never thought of that until just now when
Speaker 1: I was thinking about how fantastical this is, which is
Speaker 1: why it worked for me. But I thought this was
Speaker 1: just really fun, and I wanted to mention a couple things.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you a question, because we're so
Speaker 1: accepting of lifestyles in twenty twenty six, are people less horny?
Speaker 1: Because I mentioned that like develout Mormons are secretly addicted
Speaker 1: to porn.
Speaker 3: Because it's so forbidden. But if like, let's say you're
Speaker 3: really into.
Speaker 1: Let's say you're really into what's something that would be weird.
Speaker 1: Let's say you're really into covering somebody in play dough
Speaker 1: during sex, and that's so weird you would never tell
Speaker 1: a soul and it becomes this like kinky, niche thing,
Speaker 1: that's your secret. But if we're so accepting in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six and it's like, yeah, you're into plato sex cool,
Speaker 1: here's a Facebook group about it? Does it are people like, Nah,
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, all right, Like that's not as cool.
Speaker 1: I'm not in as into that anymore. It's not like
Speaker 1: my little secret, you know. Does that make any sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I feel like you're hiding it. It's more there's
Speaker 2: more energy to it, right.
Speaker 1: Mark and for Fall are noticeably silent.
Speaker 4: Silence of agreements. Uh. Also the because I think it
Speaker 4: also response to the idea of the beginning of the
Speaker 4: relationship where everything is kind of a certain degree, you know, secretive,
Speaker 4: and then it's just so exciting.
Speaker 3: Refall, have you ever watched mad of your Watch? Mad Men?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 1: Okay, so Megan says to Dawn, you only like the
Speaker 1: beginnings of things.
Speaker 3: Well, just maybe think of it.
Speaker 1: Faye Fay, Oh, Fay, you're right, Fay, thank you, Mark,
Speaker 1: thank you for correcting me.
Speaker 3: Face says that doctor Fay.
Speaker 1: Carlotta says at the end of the movie, I'm going
Speaker 1: to pretend I'm instituting mass immunization to make people safe,
Speaker 1: but I'm secretly going to kill everyone by putting rabies
Speaker 1: in their vaccines. John Waters predicted COVID.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this, this is such a bad plan on Carlotta's part,
Speaker 5: Like this seems awful, Like the town running around with
Speaker 5: the rabies seems awful.
Speaker 3: But that's what they do.
Speaker 2: Mark.
Speaker 4: They say, ohas beautiful because this is actually happening. In
Speaker 4: a conversation with Faggy, and then there was this beautiful
Speaker 4: exchange in which one of them says, one would be
Speaker 4: fun when they stopped collapsing in the streets, like walking
Speaker 4: into sewer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well this is coming from the woman who also ordered
Speaker 1: her guards sees and fuck her, referring to her daughter exactly.
Speaker 2: I love when she comes up with the plan quote unquote,
Speaker 2: when she brings in that guard, has him strip and
Speaker 2: dance for her and she's spanking him, and she's like,
Speaker 2: can ask you a favor? Do you know what? Do
Speaker 2: you know where I can find a hydrogen bomb? And
Speaker 2: then she's like maybe I love the way she words
Speaker 2: it too, because again I think it's just the way
Speaker 2: Edith Massy talks. She's like, maybe there's a way we
Speaker 2: can spread rabies and expansively, Like why are they worried
Speaker 2: about this? Money exists here. It's just like it's so funny,
Speaker 2: just the deranged part of this.
Speaker 4: So she and she does infect her daughter with rabies.
Speaker 2: She does. She also she.
Speaker 1: Also hates her daughter very like more than more than
Speaker 1: a stranger.
Speaker 3: She hates her daughter.
Speaker 4: But I actually had a problem the rabies and all
Speaker 4: of that because I was wandering since like she infects
Speaker 4: the dollar in the first place, but then the dollar
Speaker 4: actually bites her, so she gets infected automatically herself, and
Speaker 4: then she ends being fried and serves to the public
Speaker 4: as a turkey. So I'm wondering, isn't the dangerous for
Speaker 4: the public.
Speaker 3: That's all rap.
Speaker 1: I'm first of all, I appreciate your public health concerns.
Speaker 2: Also the fact that like Cuckoo just like dies, like
Speaker 2: she just overcome with the rabies and she just dies
Speaker 2: when everyone's celebrating and it's just end credits, let's go.
Speaker 2: I Also I want to point out, which was really sad,
Speaker 2: is when Griselda is trying to like protect her and
Speaker 2: the house collapses and kills I was like no, I
Speaker 2: was like, come on, I love it.
Speaker 4: It's a Game of Thrones type of killing people. It's
Speaker 4: just that goes on your main character. There's gonna be
Speaker 4: another main character, no problem, it's just yet another main
Speaker 4: character that needs to die. Okay, next.
Speaker 5: But then but then when that happens, mink Stole basically
Speaker 5: switch asides and she goes to become like the daughter
Speaker 5: that's Carlotta never had exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: Well, just to interrupt with fall, you can kill rabies
Speaker 1: by cooking an animal.
Speaker 3: But it can. But you can, but.
Speaker 1: It's considered extremely risky and not worth it.
Speaker 2: Accord ahead of time.
Speaker 3: It says.
Speaker 1: It says if every single part of the meat reaches
Speaker 1: over one hundred and thirty three degrees fahrenheit for several minutes,
Speaker 1: then the virus will die.
Speaker 4: No, but then it's dry. You don't want to meat like.
Speaker 1: That, So you got to weigh one against the other
Speaker 1: I guess exactly.
Speaker 3: Oh oh sorry, go ahead, Ryan.
Speaker 2: I should I think we should definitely talk about the
Speaker 2: kind of gift of the magi story with Mole.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: So they steal a winning a winning lottery ticket that
Speaker 2: Grimselda had stolen from Peggy's husband, and Mole takes it
Speaker 2: and it's like, great, let's see if we won. They're
Speaker 2: going through morphil to find a newspaper to find the
Speaker 2: lottery numbers they win. So Mole is like, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go into town. I'm gonna get some stuff. I'm
Speaker 2: going to come back. And earlier in the movie, Muffy
Speaker 2: makes a comment that Mole is missing something that would
Speaker 2: make her like the perfect man for her. So Mule
Speaker 2: goes into town. I love there's a liquor store right
Speaker 2: next to where you claim the lottery tickets. Absolutely flawless
Speaker 2: design there. And Mull goes into the actual Johns Hopkins building.
Speaker 2: Love by the way, there's a fucking screen door on
Speaker 2: a medical office, doctor's office, hysterical to me. Love that,
Speaker 2: And she is looking for a sex change operation. They're
Speaker 2: explaining there's a lot involved. Again, this is nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of like they do psychological examination
Speaker 2: stuff like that, so she's like nope. She takes the
Speaker 2: nurse hostage and is like nope, and she takes the
Speaker 2: doctor and she's like, you're gonna do this for me now,
Speaker 2: So then things happen. We go back home. She comes
Speaker 2: out comes home in that amazing suit and she's bought
Speaker 2: Muffy underwear, new dress, new bra knew everything. And she's like,
Speaker 2: I got one more surprise for you, and she makes
Speaker 2: her clones her eyes, she opens them. She gets a
Speaker 2: penis and comes on to Muffy and Muffy is like
Speaker 2: repulsed by this and freaks out and she's like, get away,
Speaker 2: get away. Mole is so crushed by this that she
Speaker 2: cuts the penis off and they cut to another scene
Speaker 2: and they come back and I know this sounds to range,
Speaker 2: but I thought it was really nice. Muffy is like
Speaker 2: selling the wound is like I just liked you. I
Speaker 2: said that to bus to make you, know, to make hotter,
Speaker 2: to fuck with you, but like I love you for you.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's like that's really nice. I was
Speaker 2: like wow. I was like for for as insane as
Speaker 2: that sounds. And four John Waters movies in a row.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's really nice. It's like really really
Speaker 2: really really sweet, and I feel like that is the
Speaker 2: image I remember the most from when I watched all
Speaker 2: of his movies was the cutting off part, because it
Speaker 2: was just remember being of the most insane things you
Speaker 2: see in his movies in this fantasy world still being
Speaker 2: very graphic.
Speaker 4: For this movie, that's interesting because mine is shooting asshole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they stick a gun up. They don't show it,
Speaker 1: but they they don't show like insertion, but they shoot
Speaker 1: min Stole up her asshole. And I wrote to Mark
Speaker 1: because Rafall, I wish you were like on our group text,
Speaker 1: but Mark says, we're not allowed to talk to you.
Speaker 1: But me and Ryan and Mark have a group text,
Speaker 1: and I said, I've never seen anyone shot with a
Speaker 1: gun in their asshole until Desperate Living, so that happened. Also,
Speaker 1: I want to add, when they cook Queen Carlotta and
Speaker 1: bring her out like a turkey, it reminded me of
Speaker 1: of Midsummer where just like that unnatural look on the
Speaker 1: face of like skin the Jester or the other people
Speaker 1: that like the Oh god, I don't even want to
Speaker 1: I don't know why I wrot that up, I'm like
Speaker 1: feeling queasy, but yeah, made me think of that.
Speaker 2: So yeah. I also love just collect the credits just
Speaker 2: no Demula just kind of like wants to cut the
Speaker 2: Queen movies over m Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah this, Yeah, I've said this a bunch, but this
Speaker 1: was the most fun.
Speaker 3: This was the most campy.
Speaker 1: Like, if we're going for a over the top insane comedy,
Speaker 1: that's campy. This has like hit all the marks for me.
Speaker 1: So it nobody's going to watch any of them. But
Speaker 1: if you had to watch one of these movies, I
Speaker 1: would go Desperate Living. I would go My rankings for
Speaker 1: these four would be Desperate Living, Pink, Flamingos, Cry Baby,
Speaker 1: Female Trouble.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I think weirdly because this is
Speaker 2: I think weirdly because this one is in such a
Speaker 2: fantasy world. I feel like this movie has the least
Speaker 2: impact of a lot of his movies. I think that's
Speaker 2: the reason why. Not in a bad way, but I think,
Speaker 2: like I get that, I get that, Ryan, I mean,
Speaker 2: I love this one, but I'm saying I think the
Speaker 2: reason why it's not as like seen as like shocking
Speaker 2: as other ones are more insane, I think is because
Speaker 2: it's such a different world and it's so clearly made up.
Speaker 4: This is actually the safety of the convention. Actually, it
Speaker 4: takes you into the fantasy world. This is what Tim said.
Speaker 4: This is the Alice in Wonderland kind of situation. It's
Speaker 4: just it's it's a safe distance.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and have you I've seen Polyester.
Speaker 2: I have, actually him and I were talking about that
Speaker 2: because like Hairspray, Polyester was on Comedy Central a lot
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, and it also had this
Speaker 2: smelling card too. That was the big thing. He gave
Speaker 2: out smell cards in the theater, so when they told
Speaker 2: you on the screen to scratch it, you could do it.
Speaker 5: I've seen probably Esther, but I don't remember what exactly happens,
Speaker 5: and I feel like I remember more the scenes of
Speaker 5: of Desperate Living.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, yeah, it's I remember because the big thing
Speaker 2: with it was tab Hunter, yea, a guy who was
Speaker 2: like because they just I was. I mean, people haven't
Speaker 2: seen it. It's played as like a very straight up
Speaker 2: melodrama where just divine and is playing a woman and
Speaker 2: tab Hunter plays her husband, and it's just kind of
Speaker 2: about like this kind of like again fifties thing. But
Speaker 2: I remember because the commercials on Comedy Central Fur it
Speaker 2: would always be like the two of them running and
Speaker 2: embracing in the house, and it was just called like
Speaker 2: like why is called polyester? And it was just like
Speaker 2: always the commercial for it. But I also knew, like
Speaker 2: I think John Waters similar to other people like he
Speaker 2: like he has Patty Hurst. He loves people who have
Speaker 2: interesting histories, where like tab Hunter has an interesting lynk.
Speaker 2: I believe he was closeted gay for a very long time,
Speaker 2: and I think when he came out it was just
Speaker 2: kind of like over for him as a star. So
Speaker 2: I think a similar thing where like he was bringing
Speaker 2: him back into people's lives.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do do we want to give desperate living it Tammy?
Speaker 5: Or I was one one thinks this is the kind
Speaker 5: of the end of the you know series. I did
Speaker 5: also read I don't know if you guys read this,
Speaker 5: that like John Waters made a screenplay for a sequel
Speaker 5: to Paint Flamingos and apparently Divine did not want to
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 4: Like they were either.
Speaker 5: Focusing they said like partly they were focusing on more
Speaker 5: like serious acting roles, and then also that they were
Speaker 5: thinking that this sort of like crude humor wasn't going
Speaker 5: to work in the kind of eighties. Uh, And then
Speaker 5: Edith Massey died and then Divine died shortly after that,
Speaker 5: so it never got made. But apparently the screenplay exists.
Speaker 5: And I think John Waters actually like like has has
Speaker 5: it in some book of his that you can read
Speaker 5: the screenplay of Flamingo's Forever.
Speaker 1: So I will mention like Tam Tammy's making love speaking
Speaker 1: of Divine, o, she's our our queen. Tammy is making
Speaker 1: love to the microphone. So non short films, he made
Speaker 1: Mondo Trash Show, Pink Flamingos Female Trouble, Oh, sorry, multiple Maniacs.
Speaker 1: It goes Mando Trashow, Multiple Maniacs, Flamingo's Female Trouble, just
Speaker 1: for Living, Polyester, Hairspray, cry Baby, Serial Mom, Pecker cecil
Speaker 1: be demented in a Dirty Shame, and then after a
Speaker 1: dirty shame, he has not made a feature length movie
Speaker 1: because studios finally were like, wait, why are we doing this?
Speaker 1: And he has not been able to make a movie since.
Speaker 1: But it's been It's happened to Like John Carpenter, it
Speaker 1: happened too. And there are some great directors that just
Speaker 1: can't get movies made anymore.
Speaker 2: I think it's the idea, Like they always say, like
Speaker 2: the joke, it's like you become like, hey, they want
Speaker 2: to reward you. Hey, they wanted you to come speak.
Speaker 2: But if you ever want see people like hey, I
Speaker 2: have an idea for a movie, they just ignore you.
Speaker 2: They don't know anymore correct. He's written a few books.
Speaker 2: That's another thing too. He has been writing a lot
Speaker 2: of just novels of his ideas, which I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people who have a hard time getting things
Speaker 2: off the ground do that too. So he's kind of
Speaker 2: had something out there, but it just sucks that he
Speaker 2: can't get one more out.
Speaker 1: Let's first give desperate living advice. And I would say
Speaker 1: my desperate living advice is, you know, don't don't use
Speaker 1: the bathroom in a scenario where if you're like, if
Speaker 1: you're on the street and you don't feel safe, don't
Speaker 1: use the bathroom there.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be worse.
Speaker 2: Ryan, don't buy the street pie. When they first get
Speaker 2: to Moretville, I just died that cart. That guy and
Speaker 2: there was chocolate and lemon oh chocolate Lease. Just the
Speaker 2: immediate reaction was amazing.
Speaker 1: It's like in Game of thrones to go back to that.
Speaker 1: When uh Aria is like masquerading as an oyster salesman
Speaker 1: in the city and she's just walking down the street
Speaker 1: with like a basket of oysters, going like oysters for sale,
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, who the fuck is buying that? That's
Speaker 1: instant death or sick for four days? But Mark, was
Speaker 1: you just for living advice?
Speaker 5: I was thinking, if you do need to go to Mordville,
Speaker 5: I think you should move into the Newdest Colony because
Speaker 5: it seemed like they didn't have to follow rules, and
Speaker 5: it seemed like generally they were having a good time
Speaker 5: in the aside from that guy getting shot, but he
Speaker 5: had connection to Cuckoo, so otherwise it seemed like if
Speaker 5: I had to be in Mordville, I wouldn't stay at
Speaker 5: the Newdest Colony.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to quote what was her name? Peggy?
Speaker 4: Was it Peggy, the one who had the mental issues
Speaker 4: in the first place? Peggy? Yeah, So the moment she
Speaker 4: is about to get shot, she says a single gun
Speaker 4: shut can never destroy the beauty of fascism.
Speaker 1: That that is a great quote.
Speaker 3: That is a fantastic quote.
Speaker 2: No, well, sorry, go ahead, Ryan, Sorry just speaking.
Speaker 1: I was going to transition to something else. So if
Speaker 1: it's relevant, I mean, you're probably wasting everyone's time. But
Speaker 1: if it's relevant, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Hasn't all this been that?
Speaker 3: Go ahead? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: Never mind, it's not worth it.
Speaker 1: Though, No, no, no, for real, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Go ahead please.
Speaker 2: In the opening credits, I just love as an actor
Speaker 2: named Turkey Joe. I thought that was great. Name is Turkey?
Speaker 2: Just says Turkey Joe. Like in the list of actors,
Speaker 2: it's like Joe Stevens, Vincent Peranio. Turkey Joe was Like,
Speaker 2: who the fuck was Turkey Joe?
Speaker 4: He was the cop he was he was the cop
Speaker 4: who like wants their panties.
Speaker 1: Oh really perfect, I would say that. So I think
Speaker 1: we should transition now to John Waters overall advice, And
Speaker 1: my John Waters overall advice is, even if this is
Speaker 1: not for you, and this is insane and gross and
Speaker 1: you hate this, you have to admit It's like I've
Speaker 1: said this about movies before, where.
Speaker 3: I didn't like this, but I'm glad it exists.
Speaker 1: You have to be glad that someone like John Waters
Speaker 1: exists and is somewhat mainstream, because we need, we need.
Speaker 3: John Waters in society.
Speaker 1: If everyone was the same society would be so boring
Speaker 1: and so strict, and we need John Waters to push
Speaker 1: the boundaries and just freak out the squares and freak
Speaker 1: out the hippies to like I said earlier, you know,
Speaker 1: we need somebody that's like, oh shit, I'm gonna turn
Speaker 1: your world.
Speaker 3: Upside down today.
Speaker 1: Even if we don't like it, we have to respect that.
Speaker 1: There's something like, we're so free in America. We're such
Speaker 1: a wonderful country, even though like nowadays is very flawed
Speaker 1: and we're in a real bad state. We're so free
Speaker 1: of a country and so wonderful that people like John
Speaker 1: Waters can flourish in America.
Speaker 3: And there's very very.
Speaker 1: Few opportunities like that where people can flourish in the
Speaker 1: world being artists like John Waters.
Speaker 3: So I think that he's a unicorn.
Speaker 1: That's what I said earlier, and that's why I love
Speaker 1: him so Ryan, what's your John.
Speaker 3: Waters advice.
Speaker 2: That doing something creative with your friends can pay off?
Speaker 2: We were saying off Mike, he said the same. Cast primarily,
Speaker 2: even when he went more mainstream with like Serial Mom
Speaker 2: and stuff and got bigger stars, he still cast most
Speaker 2: of these people in his movies. He used the same crew,
Speaker 2: casting people, cinematographers, everything, all of them stuck with them,
Speaker 2: and it just kind of it's just kind of nice
Speaker 2: that that kind of thing can exist, where like you
Speaker 2: guys started out making these backyard movies and now when
Speaker 2: you got this successful, he stuck with you. You stuck
Speaker 2: with him, and you just get to keep doing this.
Speaker 2: And I think that's just a really nice thing to see,
Speaker 2: as corny as that sounds, that that kind of thing
Speaker 2: can pay off for all of you. Mark, It's really nice.
Speaker 5: I mean it's kind of to echo like what like
Speaker 5: you were saying tough as well, because I feel like
Speaker 5: when I was watching is like when I was watching
Speaker 5: what's it called Crybaby right before this, I just felt
Speaker 5: like John like what we were watching, like John Waters
Speaker 5: saw in his life and was like this needs to
Speaker 5: be made fun of in order for us to progress,
Speaker 5: like you know, like this like this bunny hop, Like
Speaker 5: I know he saw people doing the bunny hop and
Speaker 5: he was like, what the hell was this? And I
Speaker 5: feel like this is also very healthy of a society
Speaker 5: to be able to create a eyes some of the
Speaker 5: things we've gone through. And I think John Watererce is
Speaker 5: a really good way of being able to do that
Speaker 5: like make things very uncomfortable, but you know, do it
Speaker 5: in a way that make the uncomfortable comfortable in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that this goes back to what
Speaker 1: I was talking about, like if you this, this is
Speaker 1: like the squares doing the bunny hop is like when
Speaker 1: I see a man in a blue polo shirt going
Speaker 1: to a Dave Matthews concert, I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, are you really that boring? Are you really that boring?
Speaker 1: And we need people in life to be like, are
Speaker 1: you really that boring? Refall, what is your John Waters advice?
Speaker 4: Well, I would kind of also the same route, the
Speaker 4: similar route. I would say, that's whatever fringery in your allegitimates,
Speaker 4: Like you're just fine? Do you do you? Because I
Speaker 4: read I read like, especially in cry Baby, I really
Speaker 4: love this idea. That's like we're kind of talking about
Speaker 4: John Waller as being the sort of icon of queer
Speaker 4: cinema whatsoever, and then he's actually giving a portraits of
Speaker 4: hillbillies who are who are now out of Norway becoming
Speaker 4: the characters that we associate ourselves with. And this is
Speaker 4: how he's really, in a brilliant way, kind of blending
Speaker 4: the boundary and he's showing you, Okay, whatever the hell
Speaker 4: fringe you're in, and you kind of find yourself comfortable.
Speaker 4: You're fine. Just live your truth.
Speaker 1: I love that, Live your truth, Live your truth. So
Speaker 1: the reason why not that like gay cinema is so
Speaker 1: fucking weird and out there. But I love doing this
Speaker 1: series because it's just, you know, like most of the
Speaker 1: time we're talking about Goodfellas or Batman or you know, bullshit,
Speaker 1: and this is a way too, you know, like I
Speaker 1: talked about on the hen Reportrait of a Seriracular Podcast,
Speaker 1: I want to play some music that'll scare the hell
Speaker 1: out of people. I like making people uncomfortable, which Mark
Speaker 1: has noticed about me probably fifteen years ago.
Speaker 3: But I'm glad that that we.
Speaker 1: Can discuss movies like this every year, only if they're
Speaker 1: in English and not if they're in any other language.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much for doing this and for
Speaker 1: contributing to the John Waters theme, especially when it's very
Speaker 1: difficult to watch these movies in Iceland, but Mark pyrates
Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah, so until next year. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hope Mark will be on before then. But this
Speaker 1: was wonderful and thank you so much for being here guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having thanks for having this. We need
Speaker 4: to do euphoria next.
Speaker 1: Congratulations on your marriage.
Speaker 3: We do need to do you for.
Speaker 1: I'll be in because I'm so straight and Sidney Sweeney's
Speaker 1: got boobs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, Ryan.
Speaker 2: Said, I'm more of a I'm more of a Maddy
Speaker 2: guy personally, if you want to go that way.
Speaker 1: Really interesting, absolutely absolutely, Ben text, Ben.
Speaker 2: Text, she's one of the few this season.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ben is.
Speaker 1: Ben is into very very thin women, like way more
Speaker 1: so than I am. And he texted me He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Sidney Sweeney is mid. I'm not one
Speaker 1: of those like in cells it's going to say that.
Speaker 1: But and then he proceeded to tell me how Sidney
Speaker 1: Sweeney is mid and I'm just like, no, no, I
Speaker 1: mean you can like see her ribs when you know,
Speaker 1: when you're looking at her torso she just happens to
Speaker 1: have big boobs.
Speaker 3: But no, I don't agree with that at all.
Speaker 1: But anyways, so this is what happens when you live
Speaker 1: in ten here, Scottsdale for twenty years.
Speaker 3: Sidney Sweeney has average to you.
Speaker 1: So all right, well let's end this before anything bad happens.
Speaker 3: And thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mark and Refall, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry but I did not catch your name.
Speaker 2: By Brian Brian.
Speaker 1: Thank you Brian, and we will catch you on the
Speaker 1: lit