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<v Speaker 1>Hey seven thirty here fifty five CARCD Talk Station. Moving

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<v Speaker 1>away from things political. Welcome back to the fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>Parase Morning Show, hair Don Heinrich Toltzman to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>this book that he actually was the editor of. I

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<v Speaker 1>Am Innocent Statement from the Death Cell, the Gate and

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<v Speaker 1>ze Herr Holtzmann Bill commend Morgan.

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<v Speaker 3>Good Morgan, thank you, Brian. I. In the past, I've

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<v Speaker 3>come on and talked about a lot of different topics

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<v Speaker 3>relating to the German heritage, and one that I became

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<v Speaker 3>interested in was the trial of Bruno Richard Hauptmann. And

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<v Speaker 3>I had found by reading through the German American papers

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<v Speaker 3>that many, especially German Americans, felt that he did not

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<v Speaker 3>get a fair trial, that he'd been framed and reilroaded

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<v Speaker 3>during the trial for the Lindbergh kidnapping case. And when

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<v Speaker 3>I was in Germany and I happened to visit Hautman's

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<v Speaker 3>home town comments in Saxony, and I found that part

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<v Speaker 3>of his autobiography had been published in German, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was part of a larger manuscript that he had written.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I came back to the US, I founded

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<v Speaker 3>at the New Jersey State Police Museum, parts were missing.

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<v Speaker 3>The part that had published in Germany. So I translated

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<v Speaker 3>them into English and put together the full manuscript, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think it sheds light of the case, and I

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<v Speaker 3>added a lot of notes to it based on my research,

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<v Speaker 3>which I think clearly showed that he did not get

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<v Speaker 3>a fair trial. It was really an absolute farce. And

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<v Speaker 3>I should say too that the kidnapping that took place

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen thirty two, it made international news.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the first man to cross the Atlantic in an airplane.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was a global hero.

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<v Speaker 3>Today we take it for granted back and forth Europe,

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<v Speaker 3>but in nineteen twenty seven he flew the first NonStop

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<v Speaker 3>transatlantic flight and he was like John Glenn, who you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the man in the Moon. I mean, he was famous

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<v Speaker 3>beyond it was I mean, you're just incredible. So so

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<v Speaker 3>the kidnapping took place in nineteen thirty two, and we'll

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<v Speaker 3>go into some of the details. But after Haupmant was arrested,

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<v Speaker 3>the police beat him to a pulp tried to get

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<v Speaker 3>a confession from him, but they failed. He maintained his innocence.

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<v Speaker 3>The police there too, from their perspective, they were under

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<v Speaker 3>tremendous pressure. Been two and a half years after the kidnapping.

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<v Speaker 3>They had not found anybody, and they offered money to

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<v Speaker 3>Haupman if he would confess, They offered him and see,

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<v Speaker 3>but he maintained his innocent. So I edited the autobiography

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<v Speaker 3>and it gives him a posthumous opportunity to tell to

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<v Speaker 3>tell his story. And you know why is that important? Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it was called the crime of the century, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was you know, even then already people questioned that the

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<v Speaker 3>evidence was manufactured, witnesses were bribed and so on, and

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<v Speaker 3>you know a problem for the Hautman. That's time anti

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<v Speaker 3>German sentiment was right after World War One, anti German feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>Hitler just came to power. So here he was a

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<v Speaker 3>German immigrant and that made it difficult for him. There

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<v Speaker 3>was an underlying cause against him that was against him.

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<v Speaker 3>And also his lawyers totally incompetent. They met with him

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<v Speaker 3>very actually very few times, and uh they were incompetent.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you know, I wouldn't mention the witnesses. The witnesses

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<v Speaker 3>who testified him against him. One of the lead one

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<v Speaker 3>was John Condon and in a police lineup and then

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<v Speaker 3>in a meeting with Hautman for an hour, he denied

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<v Speaker 3>that Hautmant was the man he had spoken with when

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<v Speaker 3>ransom money was transferred.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was going to ask you specifically about doctor

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<v Speaker 1>John Condon described as a key witness as the person

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<v Speaker 1>who acted as a mediator between Lindberg, who was the

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<v Speaker 1>alleged between Lindberg and the kidnappers. So Charles Lindberg still around,

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<v Speaker 1>he wants his son back. The kidnappers obviously, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>want their their money. They're they're they're there, they ransom demand.

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<v Speaker 1>How did this Condon guy end up being the liaison

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<v Speaker 1>between the kidnappers and the Lindberg family.

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<v Speaker 3>He's really a strange person in the New York area.

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<v Speaker 3>He read about it. He contacted Lindbergh and said, could

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<v Speaker 3>I put a note in the paper asking the kidnapper

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<v Speaker 3>or kidnappers to contact me and I will act as

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<v Speaker 3>a mediator. And so he came out of nowhere. Was

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<v Speaker 3>he himself involved in the kidnapping, that is a question,

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<v Speaker 3>but he popped up into the case totally an unknown factor.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he met on two occasions with a person

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<v Speaker 3>to transmit ransom money to him, and he spoke with

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<v Speaker 3>it with that person, and later on then he met

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<v Speaker 3>with Hautmann in jail, but he denied that that was

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<v Speaker 3>the person he had spoken with, But then on the

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<v Speaker 3>during the trial he said he was a person.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, change your heart there, No, that's not the guy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is the guy. There's a red flag. Harr Holtzman.

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<v Speaker 1>It's seven forty fifty five KRCD talk station Broent Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>with Don Henry Toltzman with a really fascinating story. He's

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<v Speaker 1>the editor of the book. We're talking about I Am Innocent,

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<v Speaker 1>A statement from the death cell. We're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>alleged killer of Charles Lindberg Junior, the son of the

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<v Speaker 1>great Charles Lindberg, first person to fly across the Atlantic,

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<v Speaker 1>A real, genuine, true world global hero. A picture on

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<v Speaker 1>the front of all the newspapers around the globe. For

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<v Speaker 1>a long period of time. They're just the very famous

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<v Speaker 1>man he was. So of course his son being kidnapped

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately murdered drew the attention of the American people.

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<v Speaker 1>And this guy, the person who was convicted, Bruno Richard

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<v Speaker 1>how wrote a book in German and that's what Harr

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<v Speaker 1>Toltzman has uh has translated into English, so it's his words.

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<v Speaker 1>But also the commentaries were learning from Don Toltzman about

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<v Speaker 1>why this was probably a total farce, this trial. And

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<v Speaker 1>as I read your notes, Don Man, this guy was

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<v Speaker 1>he was railroaded.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely, he was completely railroaded. And I said also

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<v Speaker 3>earlier he had been severely beaten, almost beaten to death,

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<v Speaker 3>and attempted to be bribed. And the witnesses were, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>Condon was completely in the main witness was unreliable. Other

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<v Speaker 3>witnesses one said he had seen Houtmann near the Lindbergh Home,

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<v Speaker 3>but he was partially blind in one eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Reasonable.

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<v Speaker 3>Another witness was paid for by his testimony by the police.

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<v Speaker 3>And another witness said they had seen him, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Lindbergh Home in a green car, but Helpman had

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<v Speaker 3>a blue car. Now, there were other witnesses that said

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<v Speaker 3>Hotman testified that he had picked up his wife, as

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<v Speaker 3>per usual, from a bakery in New York. There were

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<v Speaker 3>several testified he was there. They were completely blown away

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<v Speaker 3>and ignored. And so the whole thing about the witnesses

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<v Speaker 3>was absurd. And I think maybe you, as a lawyer

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<v Speaker 3>could understand that readily.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And the ransom notes another thing. They said that the

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<v Speaker 3>so called experts said that he had written them. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>the police told him to exactly copy the ransom notes.

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<v Speaker 3>He was supposed to exactly meet him a whole day,

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<v Speaker 3>night and day to copy them looked exactly like the

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<v Speaker 3>ransom notes. Then they had the so called experts say,

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<v Speaker 3>look what he wrote the same as the ransom notes,

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<v Speaker 3>but that.

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<v Speaker 1>He did what he was instructed to do, which was

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<v Speaker 1>mimic the handwriting in the ransom notes rather than penned

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<v Speaker 1>in his own hand. Yes, oh that's insane. Now, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>any effective lawyer would have blown these witnesses away on

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<v Speaker 1>cross examination. You could create reasonable doubts so easily. What

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<v Speaker 1>the hell was this? What was the deal with Edward J. Riley,

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<v Speaker 1>his attorney.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the Riley was really incompetent. He spent a total

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<v Speaker 3>of about forty minutes, only forty minutes. Most of the

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<v Speaker 3>meetings with Hautman last at five minutes. He was often intoxicated,

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<v Speaker 3>He was a big blow hard, and it was completely incompetent.

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<v Speaker 3>So his lawyers were also, you know, there was an

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<v Speaker 3>was other evidence. One thing that they talked about was

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<v Speaker 3>the wooden ladder that was used. Yeah, well, when they

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<v Speaker 3>first searched Houtman's garage, they couldn't find they didn't find anything,

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<v Speaker 3>But then later they found a board that they said

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<v Speaker 3>matched the wood used on the ladder. Well, it obviously

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<v Speaker 3>looks to have been planted there by the police. And

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<v Speaker 3>when you looked at the ladder, it did not even

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<v Speaker 3>reach the window of the Lindbergh home. And also it

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have held somebody of haut Month's weight. I think

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<v Speaker 3>there was a test done on and one of the

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<v Speaker 3>lower rungs of the ladder broke. And also it was

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<v Speaker 3>about two feet below the window of the second floor

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<v Speaker 3>of the Lindbergh home. And so how somebody could have

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<v Speaker 3>pound infant and get down there was incredibly you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And also Lindberg's her Heutman's fingerprints were found nowhere, and

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<v Speaker 3>so the whole case really looks like a farce. And

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<v Speaker 3>also I alluded to a recent research by Lisa Pearlman

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<v Speaker 3>who has a book called The Lindbergh Kidnapping Suspect Number One,

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<v Speaker 3>The Man Who Got Away.

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<v Speaker 1>And she.

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<v Speaker 3>Convincingly argues that it was Charles Lindberg who masterminded the

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<v Speaker 1>Base of all, I don't go down too too far

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<v Speaker 1>down that Lisa Pearlman rabbit hole. But based upon what

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<v Speaker 1>why would Lindbergh want to have his own son kidnapped?

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<v Speaker 3>His son had Ricketts, which a disease re lots were

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<v Speaker 3>results in bowed legs. He was considered had mentally deficient.

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<v Speaker 3>Lindbergh believed in eugenics and genetic superiority and purity.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was an anti He was an anti semi too,

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<v Speaker 3>It was an anti semi. He went to Nazi Germany

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<v Speaker 3>and he received an award from the Nazi regime. He

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<v Speaker 3>was criticized for it, but he refused to return the reward.

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<v Speaker 3>Whereas I should say from my research, other German Americans

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<v Speaker 3>would not accept any medal or award from Nazi Germany. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>when they did the autopsy of the of the infant,

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<v Speaker 3>they found that parts of it were organs had been

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<v Speaker 3>removed surgically. And in this recent publication I mentioned it

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<v Speaker 3>was found that Lindberg was in tough with a surgeon

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<v Speaker 3>and it thought that the baby was operated on to

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<v Speaker 3>investigate what was the cause of his of the Ricketts

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<v Speaker 3>and the disease. And this related to Lindbergh's in the

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<v Speaker 3>same belief in eugenics. He couldn't understand that he fathered

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<v Speaker 1>So it's in case itself.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the trial was an absolute farce. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>he was, and he he was browbeaten to during Houtman

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<v Speaker 3>during the trial, wasn't given a chance to tell his story.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's why I edited his autobiography, which he wrote

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<v Speaker 3>in a jail cell, and to give him a chance

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<v Speaker 3>didn't get a chance. He was mocked and browbeaten and

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<v Speaker 3>physically beaten.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I got a couple of questions though considering

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution and the in the in the prosecutorial conduct from

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement all the way through trial. First off, real

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<v Speaker 1>quick here, harr Holman, uh Toltsman, how did they finger

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<v Speaker 1>Houtman as the guy the suspect? I mean, what brought

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<v Speaker 1>first place? Given all this you know, exculpatory evidence that's floating.

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<v Speaker 3>Around, the reason that he was arrested was that he

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<v Speaker 3>uh the the ransom money that had been given to

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<v Speaker 3>the person that Condon met at a cemetery at the

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<v Speaker 3>serial numbers haven't copied. Well, a couple of years later

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<v Speaker 3>than Hautmann had gone to a gas station and he

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<v Speaker 3>had paid for a gasoline with one of the bank

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<v Speaker 3>notes and it was what was called a silver certificate,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were being turned in at that time, and

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<v Speaker 3>so the serial numbers were copied and when the attendant

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<v Speaker 3>and he had copied on the license number on Haupmann's car,

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<v Speaker 3>and so they traced it to him and that's the

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<v Speaker 3>way he identified it.

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<v Speaker 1>But given years later though that it's a possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>the actual ransom recipient had passed those notes around and

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's true. And the ransom money also was turned

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<v Speaker 3>in at various banks around the country, even in the Midwest.

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<v Speaker 3>Three thousand dollars were turned in at a bank in

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<v Speaker 1>To He wasn't there when.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that it had been given to him to

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<v Speaker 3>a business associate who had returned to Germany where he died.

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<v Speaker 1>And all right, so and his.

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<v Speaker 3>Name happened to be fish and the police mocked that

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<v Speaker 3>story that that his round had given him when they

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<v Speaker 3>called it a fishy story. So well, all the way

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<v Speaker 1>He was railroad. Yeah, clearly, clearly Diehartols were out of time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fascinating what you've done here. And of course, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>the extent of the wrongdoing against the defendant, who ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>paid the ultimate price. They executed him, and apparently while

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<v Speaker 1>he was waiting execution, they offered him lean seeing he

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<v Speaker 1>turned it down because I'm not going to confess to

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<v Speaker 1>a crime I didn't do. So it sounds like getting

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<v Speaker 1>nail on his on the head here, don Heindrich Toltzman

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you doing the translating and doing the commentary

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<v Speaker 1>on the book, and I know my listeners is going

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<v Speaker 1>to want to get it, which they can do. Got

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty five krs dot com where Joe's got a

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<v Speaker 1>link to the book on the page. Don It's always

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<v Speaker 1>great talking with you, my friend. Keep up the great work.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll look forward to having you back on. We have

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<v Speaker 1>other German things to talk about. Seven fifty one. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll catch yourselves a crime stopper, bad guy of the

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<v Speaker 1>week here in a moment. Just don't go away. First,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to mention foreign exchange. We can get your

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<v Speaker 1>car fixed for less money. That's the point of foreign exchange.

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<v Speaker 1>You get your car fixed, you get a full warranty

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<v Speaker 1>they fix Tesla's at foreign exchange as well. Get it

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<v Speaker 1>in there and save a heapload of money. Just that's

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't noticed. In fact, my son's got his car

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<v Speaker 1>that car is sitting right now. To take the Tylersville

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