1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,599 Speaker 1: Article out from Barry Levine talking about Gelaane Maxwell, and 2 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,279 he talks about how she is just as much of 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,039 a predator as Jeffrey Epstein. And I think it's a 4 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,240 valid point for him to make, and it's an important 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,280 point for him to make, considering we have been talking 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,920 about that for how long here on this podcast. We've 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,120 known for how long that she is not just some 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,199 henchman or his girlfriend or a love interest. She is 9 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:33,200 a co conspirator, a co boss, and somebody who really 10 00:00:33,759 --> 00:00:37,600 really was involved as far as leadership goes when it 11 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,479 comes to this sex trafficking criminal ring, and a lot 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,799 of people still don't want to put a stamp on it. 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,719 A lot of people still don't want to talk about 14 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:50,600 that portion of it. It's almost like people want to 15 00:00:50,679 --> 00:00:53,960 let her try and style herself as some sort of victim. 16 00:00:54,399 --> 00:00:57,880 So it's nice when we see people like Barry Levine, 17 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:01,880 who wrote the book The Spider, come out and talk 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,319 to a legacy media joint like Newsweek and give them 19 00:01:05,359 --> 00:01:08,879 the really real So we're gonna jump into this article 20 00:01:08,879 --> 00:01:12,280 from Newsweek and we're going to see what Barry Levine 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,280 had to say to Newsweek about Gelane Maxwell. This article 22 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,959 was originally run in Newsweek, but we're reading it from 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:26,480 the MSN hosted site. The headline why Gilaye Maxwell was 24 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:30,439 just as much a predator as Jeffrey Epstein. Author of 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:36,280 the article, Jack Royston, Gilane Maxwell was able to lure 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,959 young girls and minors to pedophile Jeffrey Epstein because they 27 00:01:40,079 --> 00:01:44,319 saw the woman figure as a protector. A biographer told 28 00:01:44,359 --> 00:01:48,239 Newsweek that's definitely for sure. Those girls were very comfortable 29 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:51,000 with Gelaye Maxwell. If you listen to them and you 30 00:01:51,079 --> 00:01:53,959 listen to their stories, that's one of the key factors 31 00:01:54,239 --> 00:01:56,920 and the deciding factors for them to decide to go 32 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:00,920 in quote unquote work for Jeffrey Epstein. They felt comfortable 33 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:04,519 with Miss England, right, she came over with that hoity 34 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:10,080 toity accent, the whole entire you know, persona. And these 35 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,680 young girls who came from broken homes who only probably 36 00:02:13,719 --> 00:02:16,639 only seen English people like this on TV before, you know, 37 00:02:16,759 --> 00:02:20,639 the really high crust, rich kind of people. So this 38 00:02:20,759 --> 00:02:23,319 lady comes in and she shows interest in them, and 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,560 she decides, hey, you know what, I got this guy 40 00:02:26,599 --> 00:02:28,280 I'd love for you to meet. You can make a 41 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,639 few bucks too, And then well, we know what happens 42 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,360 after that she brings them to Jeffrey Epstein and the 43 00:02:35,479 --> 00:02:40,599 nightmare begins. But it was a very very very very 44 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,719 good cover for her to be so hoity toity and 45 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:47,039 to be so well spoken and so educated. Nobody ever 46 00:02:47,199 --> 00:02:50,080 expects people like that to be the ones that are 47 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,879 devious and draconian. But what we have learned, especially in 48 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,520 this case, is that it seems like people like that 49 00:02:56,879 --> 00:03:04,680 are all disgusting in draconian. The British socialite what you mean, 50 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,759 fellow child abuser, general, all around scuzbag and bipedal serpent 51 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,759 is awaiting trial on allegation she helped Epstein groom young 52 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,479 girls for sex while they were in a relationship in 53 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,319 the nineteen nineties. Again, we have to address that they 54 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:22,719 were not in a relationship, Okay, not the kind of 55 00:03:22,759 --> 00:03:25,680 relationship you think of, not the kind of relationship you're 56 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:29,199 engaged in with your significant other. That's for sure. There 57 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,840 were partners. They were put together by Maxwell and Maxwell's handlers, 58 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:40,000 and well, not a pair of lovebirds, okay, co conspirators 59 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:46,240 for sure, partners in crime. Absolutely, did Gilaanne Maxwell maybe 60 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,159 have a crush on Jeffrey Epstein, I don't know. Maybe, 61 00:03:49,719 --> 00:03:53,520 but as far as being lovers or lovebirds or anything 62 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,879 like that just not the case. I really suggest you 63 00:03:56,879 --> 00:04:00,919 watch the show The Americans and see how those agents 64 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,639 acted when they were put together and supposed to be 65 00:04:04,759 --> 00:04:10,199 a quote unquote family. In my opinion, she was just 66 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,159 as responsible as Jeffrey Epstein. I've said that from the 67 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,879 very beginning, and I'm pretty sure we're on the right 68 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,120 path considering all of the survivors are of the same mind. 69 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:25,839 Gilain Maxwell was not just some you shrinking daisy. She 70 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,279 was right in the middle of it. She had her 71 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,920 job to do. Her portion of the leadership role was 72 00:04:31,959 --> 00:04:35,040 to make sure that they were welcomed into high society 73 00:04:35,439 --> 00:04:38,720 and to make sure the girls were comfortable. Meanwhile, Jeffrey 74 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,720 was the front man for the quote unquote business end 75 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,360 of things. But both of them shared power, They had 76 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:50,040 equal power, and they were both just as responsible for 77 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:53,120 what happened throughout the years that they were active together. 78 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:59,800 At least in my opinion. Maxwell said in a recently 79 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:02,839 un deposition it was part of her job for the 80 00:05:02,879 --> 00:05:07,800 New York financier Pedophile to find adult massage therapists. Adult 81 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,120 massage therapists huh So my question is this. You have 82 00:05:12,199 --> 00:05:16,079 to actually go and find adult massage therapists. Don't most 83 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:21,399 of them have businesses or business cards or contact numbers 84 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,560 or reviews or it was word of mouth. You don't 85 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,480 go looking for massage therapists, you know. You know what, guys, 86 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:30,800 as soon as I'm done with the podcast, I'm gonna 87 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,920 go hit the strip. I'm gonna just go walk around 88 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,600 and look for massage therapists. What does that even mean. 89 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,879 It's absolutely ridiculous, And the fact that she said that 90 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,279 in a deposition is even more ridiculous. She should have 91 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,000 been absolutely hammered over that remark. Really, I go out 92 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,959 and look for massages, That's my job. Why don't you 93 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,319 just hire one really damn good massage that knows the 94 00:05:54,319 --> 00:05:56,879 ins and outs of Jeffrey's body, that knows what he 95 00:05:56,959 --> 00:06:00,399 needs massage, that he knows what needs to be worked on. 96 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,399 Because it wasn't about the massages. It was about the 97 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:07,120 power and the abuse of these young girls in a 98 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:12,920 lot of instances high school age. Her accusers claim she 99 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,399 groomed them to be abused by him with promises they 100 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:18,720 would be helped in their careers. The daughter of deceased 101 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,720 UK newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell denies charges of trafficking and 102 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,720 perjury and awaits trial in July. Some of the allegations 103 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,560 against her are detailed in a new biography, The Spider, 104 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:36,079 published recently by Crown, an imprint of Penguin Random House. 105 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,879 So we've talked about Barry Levine's book The Spider when 106 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:47,839 it first came out, but it is unbelievable to me 107 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:53,560 that some people still are not hip to the type 108 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:58,759 of the devious, disgusting, bipedal serpent that Gilan Maxwell is 109 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:04,319 and was. Author Barry Levine told Newsweek the most troubling 110 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,480 aspect of it is young girls and miners certainly will 111 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,000 look at the woman figure as the protector, and they 112 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,560 felt initially safe because of Maxwell's presence. That's a fact. 113 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:19,000 We've heard the survivors talk about that, how being Gilaan Maxwell, 114 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,560 being a woman offered them some false sense of security. 115 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,079 And then once they were caught up in it, well 116 00:07:25,079 --> 00:07:27,600 it was too late. They were already groomed, they were 117 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,560 already involved. So Gileay and Maxwell, even if that was 118 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,040 her only role, say she wasn't a boss, right, say 119 00:07:35,079 --> 00:07:37,959 that was her only role? That should that should have 120 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,079 get her one hundred years in prison in my opinion anyway. 121 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:44,600 But unfortunately for her, that was not her only role. 122 00:07:44,959 --> 00:07:49,680 She was a boss, She had underlings. She was engaged 123 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,360 in a leadership role in a criminal conspiracy. You know 124 00:07:54,399 --> 00:07:57,759 what that smells like to me, folks. I know it's 125 00:07:57,759 --> 00:07:59,800 a little stuffed up, but it sure smells like rico 126 00:07:59,839 --> 00:08:07,920 to me. Her and Jeffrey were this couple that would 127 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,160 mentor young girls, give them scholarships and so forth, help 128 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:13,800 them through their troubles, give them money for their families. 129 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:17,800 Her presence in that relationship certainly helped her recruit and 130 00:08:17,959 --> 00:08:21,600 groom a lot of these girls. Yeah, dead on, one 131 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:26,000 hundred percent accurate. It's you know, it's really sad that 132 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,480 a woman like Elaine Maxwell, who had the whole world 133 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:33,240 at her fingertips, Oxford educated, came from a rich family 134 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,200 even though they were thieves. What you didn't have a 135 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,399 few bucks squirreled away, you still didn't have a trust fund, 136 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,600 stop it. But instead of using this incredible wealth and 137 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:48,120 privilege for good, instead she teams up with Jeffrey Epstein 138 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,480 and they engage in this disgusting, sordid child sex trafficking ring. 139 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:57,080 So she has nobody to blame for her but herself 140 00:08:57,279 --> 00:08:59,320 and the rest of these so called elites and rich 141 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,200 people who get caught up in this shit. I have 142 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:04,000 no empathy for you. You could have been anywhere else in 143 00:09:04,039 --> 00:09:06,440 the world. You have all the money in the world. 144 00:09:06,639 --> 00:09:08,799 Your ass could have been sitting on the beach in Abiza, 145 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:13,360 but instead you're dicking around with Jeffrey Epstein, hanging out 146 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:16,159 in his living room, down in his beach house down 147 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,039 at Zoro Ranch. And then when it all comes to light, 148 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:21,919 you want to cry crocodile tears and act like we 149 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,639 should have empathy for you. Sorry, that's not going to occur. 150 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,320 These women were not prepared that this woman would be 151 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,200 as much of a predator and a monster as Jeffrey. 152 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,279 From depositions and testimonies, it's clear that Gilaine was just 153 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,399 as much a predator as Jeffrey was. Yes, sing to 154 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,559 speak the truth, yell the gospel, mister Levine, because it 155 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,519 is imperative that these legacy media outlets understand what we're 156 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,879 dealing with. It's imperative that they know that Glaine Maxwell 157 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,039 is not somebody that they should be have empathy for 158 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,120 or be sad that she doesn't have a broad in 159 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,120 prison about Okay, she is not that kind of person. 160 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:11,159 She should elicit no emotion from anybody, no empathy from anybody. 161 00:10:11,399 --> 00:10:16,159 She should be treated as any other inmate would. She'll 162 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,320 have her day in court, She'll have a chance to 163 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:21,639 defend her name, and then when all the chips are 164 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,320 laid out and all the cards are on the table, 165 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:28,120 will see what's what, and we'll see who's telling the truth. 166 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:34,919 I have a pretty good feeling that Gilaine Maxwell is 167 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,879 going to spend the rest of her life in prison. 168 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,799 The Spider charts ow Maxwell fell for Epstein when she 169 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,559 moved to New York after the mysterious death of her 170 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,799 father in nineteen ninety one. Yeah, see, I don't agree 171 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:51,000 with that. Again, while I think that there's a lot 172 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,080 of good information in this book, anyone who is on 173 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,480 the path that Gelaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were some 174 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:03,399 sort of lovebirds, they're they're mistaken. They were put that Again. 175 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,320 I hate to keep saying it, but if you're not 176 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,960 familiar with the show The Americans, do yourself a favor 177 00:11:08,159 --> 00:11:10,399 and just watch a couple of episodes at least, and 178 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,799 you'll understand what I'm talking about. Then they're playing a role, right, 179 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:17,159 they're actors. That's what That's what spycraft is. You're acting 180 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,840 like you're something you're not. And there are people that 181 00:11:19,879 --> 00:11:23,200 are very very good at it, and Gilaine Maxwell most 182 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:28,080 certainly was one of those people. At the time he 183 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:30,559 was mourning, he was mourning the loss of his own father, 184 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,000 Seymour Epstein, who died after a long illness in December 185 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,080 that year. The book says, Levine said, I spent a 186 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:41,279 lot of time in the book trying to explore a 187 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,080 little bit of what had been Maxwell's mindset when she 188 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:47,360 first met Jeffrey Epstein. This was right after the violent 189 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,080 death of her father, who had died going overboard on 190 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,279 the yacht and so forth. Well, we don't know if 191 00:11:52,279 --> 00:11:54,320 it's violent death, Right, he could have killed, It could 192 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,000 have could have been, you know, an accident, right could 193 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,240 have been. We don't know. But I would that Robert 194 00:12:01,279 --> 00:12:04,519 Maxwell and all the bridges that he had burned well 195 00:12:05,879 --> 00:12:08,679 probably had that coming right When you when you're swimming 196 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,720 around in that kind of world, with that kind of 197 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:14,120 murky water and those sort of ceed people, Yeah, it 198 00:12:14,159 --> 00:12:16,559 doesn't take much to end up in the middle of 199 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:22,399 the ocean. Elaine was completely dysfunctional when she first came 200 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,399 to New York. She came under Jeffrey's wing, and Jeffrey 201 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,480 took on this role of a father figure, figure, lover 202 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:32,879 mentor confidant to her and so forth for a time. 203 00:12:32,919 --> 00:12:35,799 I think Elaine was really under his spell. Yees see, 204 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:37,559 I don't believe any of that. This is all part 205 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,440 of the acting that I was just talking about. I 206 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,519 think that these people, Gilaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, they understood 207 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,279 that they had to play the role. They had to 208 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:48,440 make pretend that they were a couple. They had to 209 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,879 make pretend that they were together, or else this wouldn't 210 00:12:51,919 --> 00:12:54,200 have worked right. They couldn't have had such a close 211 00:12:54,279 --> 00:13:00,480 business employee relationship. That wouldn't have worked well for the 212 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:04,279 circles they're moving in. So we always have to keep 213 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,120 that at the front of our thoughts as well. It's 214 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,279 so much more than just oh they were lovers or 215 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,600 There's so much more that goes into this cover, so 216 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,519 much more that goes into an operation like this. She 217 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,600 was also counting on Jeffrey to finanswer and support her, 218 00:13:21,799 --> 00:13:24,120 and I think she realized very quickly that she was 219 00:13:24,159 --> 00:13:26,480 either going to live this life with him or not 220 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,720 at all. That's why she seemingly just went along with 221 00:13:29,759 --> 00:13:33,000 this and groomed these women and recruited these young girls 222 00:13:33,039 --> 00:13:35,759 and so forth. Yeah, sorry, I don't agree. Again, I 223 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:38,720 don't agree with that. I think you're selling her a 224 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:42,559 bit short and giving her a bit of an out, 225 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,399 almost like it was all Epstein's fault, like she's suffering 226 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,639 from Stockholm syndrome. That is not the case. This is 227 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,720 somebody who went into this with both eyes open, was 228 00:13:51,799 --> 00:13:54,840 involved with it with both eyes open, and then after 229 00:13:54,879 --> 00:13:59,600 Epstein was arrested, still maintained contact with him, still didn't 230 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,200 come far. She is not a victim. She is not 231 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,960 some girl that fell in love with Jeffrey Epstein and 232 00:14:06,159 --> 00:14:10,279 circumstances led her here. I'm sorry. I will not bite 233 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:12,960 and I will not buy that narrative, and in fact, 234 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,320 I will attack that now narrative and challenge it anytime 235 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:22,679 it's put forward. Levine has re examined much of the 236 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,279 mountainous evidence for himself, including revisiting the notes made by 237 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,679 journalist Sharon Churcher during the first press interviews with Virginia Roberts, 238 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:32,840 in which she said she was made to have sex 239 00:14:32,879 --> 00:14:36,279 with Prince Andrew, and he called on prosecutors to include 240 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:41,720 the evidence of Maxwell's friend Christina Oxenberg, cousin of Prince Andrew. Yeah. Sorry, 241 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:43,559 I don't. I said it when that when she first 242 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,159 came out with her stories. I don't believe Christina Oxenberg, 243 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,120 not one bit. Sorry, I don't. I don't. Just don't. 244 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:54,039 Her stories don't seem to jive with what's going on here. Sorry, 245 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,279 doesn't make sense to me. Now, that doesn't mean she's 246 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,919 not telling the truth, right, She might be telling a 247 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:01,000 bit of the truth, but I just don't think she 248 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,360 has much to add when it comes to this story, 249 00:15:03,759 --> 00:15:10,080 and just another person looking for some shine, he told Newsweek. 250 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,519 In my book, I have what I think is a 251 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:14,919 very compelling confession that took place in nineteen ninety seven. 252 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,000 This was when Gilaine invited Christina to celebrate the success 253 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:22,799 of Christina's novel Royal Blue. I write that the conversation 254 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:26,279 turned to Maxwell's relationship with Epstein. She says, Jeffrey is 255 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,159 very important to me, and I need him to marry me. See, 256 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:32,600 I don't. It's I don't believe that that's the case. 257 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,360 I just I'm sorry. I can't believe that that's the case. 258 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:38,080 I have seen no evidence of that. And when you 259 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,279 speak to survivors who were really in the know, not 260 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:46,320 third persons like Oxenburg, you understand very quickly that Gilaine 261 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,679 Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein weren't in some kind of love 262 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:54,320 bird relationship. Oxenberg said that Maxwell confided that she was 263 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:58,000 unable to keep up with Epstein's sexual appetite, and because 264 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,960 of Epstein's needs that were impossible to Maxwell felt obliged 265 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,559 to bring in young girls to fulfill his sexual needs. 266 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,919 According to Oxenberg's account of the conversation, yeah, sorry, I 267 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,120 don't buy that. I do not buy that. That was Yeah, 268 00:16:12,159 --> 00:16:14,600 she brought them around, no doubt about it. But that 269 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,799 was all part of the plan. That was all part 270 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:23,799 of laying the groundwork for the blackmail scheme. However, Levine 271 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,879 is uncompromising in his assessment of Maxwell's role in the 272 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:31,360 abuse surrounded Epstein. He said, Jeffrey and Gelaane kind of 273 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:35,200 became a predatory Bonnie and Clyde of sorts. The most 274 00:16:35,279 --> 00:16:38,360 troubling thing about Gilaine's involvement is that she was willing 275 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:40,600 to go through this because she believed that she was 276 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:42,879 in love with him and wanted him to marry her 277 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:46,080 in some weird, warped way, she allowed all this to 278 00:16:46,159 --> 00:16:48,960 carry on in a way to please Jeffrey. Nope, sorry, 279 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,279 I disagree with all of that one hundred percent. Disagree 280 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:56,759 with it. Honestly, she wasn't there in doing that because 281 00:16:56,759 --> 00:16:59,159 she was in love with Epstein. Sorry, that was not 282 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,519 the case. She was because it was beneficial to her. 283 00:17:02,759 --> 00:17:05,160 She was there because this was a play that was 284 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,079 put into motion by her father, the person whose knee 285 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,440 she grew up next to, learning spycraft, learning all of 286 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,359 this bullshit world that they live in. So you're gonna 287 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,759 need to really come with a lot more evidence to 288 00:17:17,799 --> 00:17:21,400 convince me that she was Jeffrey Epstein's lover and they 289 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,680 were in love and it was bless Paul, and she 290 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,680 did it all to make Jeffrey happy. Sorry, I'm not 291 00:17:26,759 --> 00:17:29,839 buying any of that. Okay, Now, that might be the 292 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,880 cover story that they laid. For sure, that is certainly 293 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:36,839 the sort of devious ass cover story that UH operatives 294 00:17:36,839 --> 00:17:40,039 for intelligence agencies. Certainly something that they would do. They 295 00:17:40,039 --> 00:17:45,160 would institute a whole fake family, kids and all, because 296 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,799 that is how spycraft works. And anybody who thinks that 297 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,880 Gilaine Maxwell was just with Jeffrey Epstein because she was 298 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,759 in love with him, or that she thought she needed 299 00:17:55,799 --> 00:18:01,160 him to take care of her financially. Well, you have 300 00:18:01,279 --> 00:18:04,599 not really been paying attention, have you, because there is 301 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,319 so much more there, and Ghilane Maxwell is not just 302 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,039 some woman who got caught up with Jeffrey Epstein. Gilane 303 00:18:12,039 --> 00:18:15,759 Maxwell is a co conspirator, a fellow child abuser, and 304 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:21,079 a bipedal serpent. If you'd like to contact me, you 305 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,200 can do that at Bobby Kapucci at ProtonMail dot com. 306 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,079 That's bo b b Y c ap u Cci at 307 00:18:28,079 --> 00:18:31,599 ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me on Twitter 308 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,960 at Bobby Underscore c ap u c Ci. All of 309 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,359 the links that go at this episode can be found 310 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,839 in the description box. And to all of you who 311 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:42,160 have done