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<v Speaker 1>Bill cunning Him the Great America. Welcome this Friday afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>in the Tries date. In about thirty minutes, Steve Rowley

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<v Speaker 1>will be here to talk about the weather coming in.

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<v Speaker 1>We might have seventy five mile per our wins which

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<v Speaker 1>is on the hurricane force later today. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>keep you informed about that, plus to fall out from

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Rosen Moore. And of course the Reds play the

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<v Speaker 1>Battle of Ohio with the Cleveland Guardians starting about six

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<v Speaker 1>forty tonight, which means first which means we begin the

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<v Speaker 1>coverage of five point forty. But until then, until then,

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<v Speaker 1>we have Connie Pillage joining us. There was a bombshell

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<v Speaker 1>announcement yesterday in front of the county commissioners who are

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<v Speaker 1>changing the legal team that's been representing in a sense

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<v Speaker 1>him in the county for about twenty five years or so.

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<v Speaker 1>And Connie Pillach Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show.

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<v Speaker 1>And Connie, can you first tell the American people what

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<v Speaker 1>your announcement was yesterday and where did this things go

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<v Speaker 1>from here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, thanks for having me, Willie. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always a pleasure. Yesterday I did make a recommendation to

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<v Speaker 2>the county Commissioners that we make a big change in

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<v Speaker 2>our negotiating team against the Bengals, and instead of retaining

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who's been there for I think it's twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine years now, I wanted to move into a bold

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<v Speaker 2>new direction because I think the county needs to step

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<v Speaker 2>up and have some have some good negotiating cards in

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<v Speaker 2>their hands. So I recommended that as as you know,

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<v Speaker 2>i'm their lawyer as prosecutor, I'm the lawyer of the

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<v Speaker 2>Bank of the County commission. But I recommended that we

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<v Speaker 2>move into move Dinsmore, which is a local law firm.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been it's got deep community roots. It was founded

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<v Speaker 2>here in nineteen oh eight, so for more than a century.

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<v Speaker 2>It's well known for its high level of professionalism and accountability,

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<v Speaker 2>and it will bring a fresh set of eyes and

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<v Speaker 2>negotiating shops to the legal team. So I recommended that

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<v Speaker 2>the Bengals do that. Pardon me, Gosh, William, I think it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Tornadoes, but it's it's the county.

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<v Speaker 2>It will help the county a lot, who have a

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<v Speaker 2>very strong negotiating and legal team going forward with the Bengals.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, for those listening prosecutors in Ohio anyway, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the same thing with Kenton County. They have

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<v Speaker 1>criminal responsibility. You have criminal felony responsibility, and also you

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<v Speaker 1>have civil responsibilities, which mean you serve as the attorney

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, for the for the elected officials in

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<v Speaker 1>this case Hamiliny County commissioners. Did you consult with them

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<v Speaker 1>before you made this decision as your client or not?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Absolutely. First of all, it's the commissioner's decision. I

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<v Speaker 2>make recommendations. But I started meeting with them. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to meet one on one to so I

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<v Speaker 2>could talk about legal issues with them, and I started

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<v Speaker 2>doing that in early January, and I got to tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>I heard a lot of frustration from them about the

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<v Speaker 2>negotiation progress or lack thereof, against with the Bengals. I

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<v Speaker 2>heard a lot of concerns about communications issues, a lack

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<v Speaker 2>of clarity on what was happening, and lack of focus

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<v Speaker 2>on the desired results that the commission wanted to achieve.

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<v Speaker 2>And so after having some of these conversations, I started

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<v Speaker 2>to work with my team here in the office, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I have one hundred and twenty lawyers here.

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<v Speaker 2>I worked with my civil lawyers to try to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out what we could do to make this better so

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<v Speaker 2>that the commission would feel like they had some ability

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<v Speaker 2>to try to get the best deal for the taxpayers.

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<v Speaker 1>And as as far as the new team, I've known

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<v Speaker 1>George Vincent for most of my life and he's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the partners there. And for those who may not know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a chairman of the Republican Party in Hamley

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<v Speaker 1>County for many years.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is a nonpartisan matter.

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<v Speaker 1>So as far as what the commissioners told you, they

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<v Speaker 1>expressed may use the term dissatisfaction of the direction the

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<v Speaker 1>negotiations we're going.

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<v Speaker 3>And now we're about.

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<v Speaker 1>Six weeks from the conclusion and the Bengals have issued

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<v Speaker 1>a press release that I have in front of me

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<v Speaker 1>from yesterday expressing dissatisfaction with the other aspect to this

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<v Speaker 1>is engaging this other firm in order to say inner

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Circle, shall I say to remain the lead negotiator

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<v Speaker 1>and explain the differential between Dinsmore on one hand and

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<v Speaker 1>Inner Circle Sports on the other. What are the activities

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<v Speaker 1>and functions of each of them?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I'm happy to do that, and I am

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<v Speaker 2>very happy that George Vincent is on this Dinsmore team.

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<v Speaker 2>He certainly got a lot of connections and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of smart were really excited to work with him and

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<v Speaker 2>the other members of the team. So Inner Circle Sports

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<v Speaker 2>actually I looked into the background. The County did start

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<v Speaker 2>discussions with them back in twenty twenty two as they

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<v Speaker 2>were starting to figure out how they would approach the

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<v Speaker 2>looming lease deadline, and in twenty twenty three they did

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more refined discussions. I signed the final

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<v Speaker 2>contract with Inner Circle Sports in January of this year,

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<v Speaker 2>So for the Bengals to come out and start complaining

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<v Speaker 2>months later, it is a little disingenuous to me. And

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<v Speaker 2>they have no absolutely no business telling us who we

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<v Speaker 2>can have on our negotiating team. I would never tell

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<v Speaker 2>them who they can have on theirs, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>not appropriate.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, one thing the Bengals have said in their press

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<v Speaker 1>release that this Inner Circle Sports, and by the way

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<v Speaker 1>each party selects their own lawyers, it'd be great to

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<v Speaker 1>have for you to pick the lawyers for the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>or vice versa.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the way it works.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Bengals are saying that the Inner Circle Sports

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<v Speaker 1>group is connected to the Browns, and that somehow being

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<v Speaker 1>connected to the Browns is wrong because they'll be serving

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<v Speaker 1>two masters. How would you respond to that press release?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think the Bengals may have been misled into

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<v Speaker 2>with their their so called research. There was one member

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<v Speaker 2>of Inner Circle Sports that did do some work or

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<v Speaker 2>may continue to do some work with the Cleveland Browns,

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<v Speaker 2>but he left Inner Circle Sports, so there's there's no

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<v Speaker 2>conflict there. And the man that we're working with, David Abrams,

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<v Speaker 2>has not done any work with the Cleveland Browns. So

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<v Speaker 2>but I do appreciate the Bengals trying to look out

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<v Speaker 2>for the for us in their own way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, David Abrams has as I understand it. I read

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<v Speaker 1>a press release that Abrams and this group also works

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<v Speaker 1>for like two or three other NFL cities enfranchises, and

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<v Speaker 1>it tends to look as if the goal is to

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<v Speaker 1>have the Bengals pay at least fifty percent of the freight,

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<v Speaker 1>which might be up to eight hundred and fifty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>And by saying that we're unhappy with who the county

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<v Speaker 1>is picking to negotiate with us, that seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>saying we're going to extend the least two years because

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<v Speaker 1>this abrupt change six weeks before the culmination of the

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<v Speaker 1>lease is too close to become familiar. Is this deployed

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<v Speaker 1>by the Bengals. Do you think to stretch this out

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<v Speaker 1>another two years which keeps the county on the hook

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<v Speaker 1>for these improvements under the old lease.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, the county is absolutely intent on getting a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>We want a win win resolution, so everybody's happy. And

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<v Speaker 2>let's think about this. These contracts when they're written, they've

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<v Speaker 2>got hundreds of day It's like, what David Abrams' skill

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<v Speaker 2>is is that he's a nationally recognized expert in negotiating

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<v Speaker 2>with municipalities and cities as well as with the NFL

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<v Speaker 2>and other sports teams. That's why we chose to bring

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<v Speaker 2>him on three and a half months ago. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a new thing. But here's what the commission wants.

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<v Speaker 2>They really basically want three things. They want a long

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<v Speaker 2>term market rate lease. They want a diverse funding stack

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<v Speaker 2>and that means contributions from the county and the state,

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<v Speaker 2>the team and the NFL. And three, they want more

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<v Speaker 2>community benefits. So it's basically community access to the stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>And frankly, let me tell you this, Willie Commissioner Alisha

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<v Speaker 2>Rees has been asking for that for a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>and she is not wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a sense when I had on Denise

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<v Speaker 1>Treehouse and Alisha Reese, they they were saying, we're working together.

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<v Speaker 3>It looks great.

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<v Speaker 1>About two weeks ago, we had a document that came

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<v Speaker 1>out that said, if we have a lease, the Bengals

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<v Speaker 1>going to pay two thirds of one hundred and eighty million,

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<v Speaker 1>in the county was going to pay one third. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a sense doing this that they things are in

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<v Speaker 1>the right way. Another things we're moving in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>And then this bombshell hit yesterday. Do you have a

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<v Speaker 1>sense that the negotiations at this point are not in

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<v Speaker 1>a good place to renew the lease in six weeks?

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<v Speaker 2>I know I don't. I think we're in an excellent

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<v Speaker 2>place because by taking this step forward, bringing in a

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<v Speaker 2>Backerjack legal team, continuing to use the lead negotiator that

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<v Speaker 2>we've been using for several months now to come up

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<v Speaker 2>with that little memorandum of understanding a couple of weeks ago. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this just tells the Bengals and the county

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<v Speaker 2>and the taxpayers that we are very serious about getting

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<v Speaker 2>a win win resolution.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're saying you don't want the Bengals to pick

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<v Speaker 2>You went the county negotiator. We have one too.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they've done very well, by the way, Mike Brown

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<v Speaker 1>can take down the Irs and tax Court for God's sake,

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<v Speaker 1>and so yes, I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>They're pretty good at this.

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<v Speaker 1>So at this point, Tom Gableman, I've met him a

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<v Speaker 3>Nice guy. What would you say about the representation of

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Gableman.

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<v Speaker 2>I really can't say much about it other than from

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<v Speaker 2>my conversations with my clients at the County Commission. They

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<v Speaker 2>were ready for a change. And sometimes of change is

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<v Speaker 2>like a holiday and it's just a breath of fresh air.

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<v Speaker 2>You get a lot of new energy and excitement. Mister

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<v Speaker 2>Gableman did pledge to make sure the transition was smooth

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<v Speaker 2>and complete, and I appreciate him for that.

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<v Speaker 1>What wasn't he paid like twenty six million dollars or

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<v Speaker 1>some amount of money about a million? Explain the financial

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<v Speaker 1>resources given to Tom Gableman.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I did get a print out from the county

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<v Speaker 2>esterday that just had It was very vague, but it

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<v Speaker 2>did have a summary of what he'd been paid each year,

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<v Speaker 2>and it did total twenty six million for the last

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nine years. So I think he made a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of money off of taxpayers and it's time to change,

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<v Speaker 2>change our our arrangement.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, Tom's not happy about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't spoken to him, but I imagine he's not pleased

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<v Speaker 1>with this decision of the county commissioners.

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<v Speaker 2>I got the impression that he's not. I met him

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time yesterday. He was waiting for me

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<v Speaker 2>in the lobby of the County Administration building. But look,

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<v Speaker 2>I've called him multiple times before I took office, and

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<v Speaker 2>he never called back, never tried, never sent an email,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as I can tell, was.

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<v Speaker 1>That a frigid meeting in the lobby outside after he

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<v Speaker 1>was fired?

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<v Speaker 3>Was that somewhat frigid?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I met him before, well, I met him before

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<v Speaker 2>the meeting, but we had given him a heads up

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<v Speaker 2>phone call that this was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>All right this point, as we sit here this Friday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, there's a new negotiating team that is

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<v Speaker 1>a George Vincent Dinsmore and you hired a couple months ago.

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<v Speaker 1>This other group, Inner Circle Sports, that have negotiated six

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<v Speaker 1>other deals in which the NFL slashed the team paid

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<v Speaker 1>about fifty percent of the whole deal, and you look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to a deal being completed, hopefully in six weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>But if it's extended by two years by the Bengals,

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<v Speaker 1>which is they're right, that wouldn't surprise you.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be fine. I know these things take time, and

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<v Speaker 2>certainly they're stinging for some reason. I'm not really sure why.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just changing our legal team, and we have every

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<v Speaker 2>right to do that. But again, I know the county

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<v Speaker 2>the earliest opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>In county pillage that Bengals do not pick your representatives.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right, Willy. I.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, lastly, since this other issue came up, this is

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<v Speaker 1>about the killing of Ryan Hinton. This is completely unrelated.

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<v Speaker 1>Put on your county criminal hat instead of your civil hat.

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<v Speaker 1>The county corner. Last me, some Marco was going to

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<v Speaker 1>about I guess the results of the autopsy. I would

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<v Speaker 1>think of Ryan Hinton and maybe Larry Henderson. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure that the dead police officer and you issued a

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<v Speaker 1>grand jury subpoena. Can you explain what's happening in that case?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? As is typical in cases like this, when there's

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<v Speaker 2>a case coming up, the grand jury will subpoena all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of things. A subpoena the surveillance video in the

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<v Speaker 2>area of a subpoena the black box from the car,

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<v Speaker 2>the so called black box from the vehicle. They'll subpoena

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<v Speaker 2>born cam, and they'll subpoena the results of toxicology and autoxies.

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<v Speaker 2>This is pretty basic stuff going forward. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>that the community is hoping that we do a very

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<v Speaker 1>And you told me a month or two ago in

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<v Speaker 1>another police shooting, that it's up to the county prosecutor

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<v Speaker 1>criminally to submit or not to submit to the grand

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<v Speaker 1>jury all the evidence. In order to submit it to

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<v Speaker 1>the grand jury, you must believe that there's a viable

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<v Speaker 1>case here of maybe police misconduct or not. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a very high profile case. It was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>before you give it to a grand jury whether to

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<v Speaker 1>indict or not the police officer involves CINCINNTI police or

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<v Speaker 1>if the evidence comes out a certain way, may you

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<v Speaker 3>Of the grand jury.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just too early to say. I haven't seen enough

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<v Speaker 2>information yet. And I know people are eager. We always

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<v Speaker 2>want everything immediately, especially in twenty twenty five, But sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>you got to let the police department do their job

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<v Speaker 2>and do their investigations. And as you know that there'll

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<v Speaker 2>be a homice investigation, and they also have their oh,

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<v Speaker 2>their internal investigations, and the citizens investigation. There'll be three

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<v Speaker 2>investigations going on at any given time. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>let them do their job before I make a decision.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen any information to date that the Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>police officer should be criminally.

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<v Speaker 3>Charged with anything?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I have not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Connie Pillage, thank you very much, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting. We hope the Bengals lease works out. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that Joe Burrow leads the team to the super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope there's a long term lease. I hope the money,

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<v Speaker 1>diverse funding mechanisms, community benefits.

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<v Speaker 3>I want it all there, we all do.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know Denise Treehouse has said to me she's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to submit it to the taxpayers ahead of

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<v Speaker 3>And so we hope this deal works out.

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<v Speaker 1>And once again, Connie Pillage, thanks for coming on the

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Connie, my pleasure, God, God bless you. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>continue with more.

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<v Speaker 1>There you have it, so another twist and turn in

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<v Speaker 1>the Bengals lease in the Bengals relationship with the hamble

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<v Speaker 1>In County. It continues on news radio seven hundred WLW