WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.240 --> 00:00:04.400 All right, let's get at drive time Wednesday afternoon, about 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:07.519 thirteen minutes past the hour of two o'clock. It has 3 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:10.160 been chilly and cold and rainy, but the sun is 4 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:13.000 about to come out here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 5 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:16.320 It is an April Spring Chili day, as we are 6 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:18.920 about to turn our calendars to May coming up tomorrow. 7 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:21.440 But as it is every single day, it's going to 8 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:23.359 have you along for the riot Spence check. It's Beyond 9 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:27.399 the Mike, Porter Larsen, Beyond the Glass today, producing the program, 10 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:29.920 booking the program, A lot to do, a lot to 11 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.359 get to jam pack Wednesday show to get you halfway 12 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:35.439 through that work week. We will get you one day 13 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:39.320 closer to the weekend. We will talk some NBA playoff basketball. 14 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:44.399 We'll talk some family members behaving badly, talk some local 15 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.240 NBA stuff with Utah Jazz. High speed ahead to the 16 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:49.920 draft lottery coming up in less than two weeks now. 17 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:54.679 Fudnight of NBA basketball last night, Chaotic night of NBA 18 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:57.479 basketball last night, but the playoffs continue to rule. We've 19 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:00.960 got a doubleheader tonight. Both games should be awesome. Golden 20 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:03.560 State is in Houston at the Toyota Center. To take 21 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:05.480 on the Houston Rockets. They're going to try to close 22 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:08.519 out Houston and that will be a dog fight. It 23 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:10.920 will be a rock fight. It will be a physical 24 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:14.480 matchup starting at five point thirty on TNT. Then after 25 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:16.840 the Warriors and the Rockets complete their game, it'll be 26 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:19.760 the Timberwolves and the Lakers from Crypto dot Com Arena 27 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:23.640 in Los Angeles, California, where the Lakers will try to 28 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:28.120 stave off elimination. It is staving season only time of year. 29 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:31.959 We talked about staving off elimination, which is what the 30 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:35.000 Pistons did last night at Madison Square. Gardener Jalen Brunson 31 00:01:35.079 --> 00:01:37.319 l had to leave the game with an injury. I 32 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.200 did come back. So we'll see what the Knicks were 33 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:42.079 able to do. Is they go back to the Motor City. 34 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:46.920 The Indiana Pacers and Tyrese Haliburton's father John were able 35 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:50.400 to eliminate the Milwaukee Bucks in overtime and epic collapse 36 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:54.120 from Milwaukee. What's next for Giannis That's a conversation. 37 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:54.519 Now. 38 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:57.840 Boston Celtics had no problem with the Orlando Magic. They 39 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.359 curb stomped them in the second half and they vans 40 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:03.200 on to the second round. One eighty nine was your 41 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:08.199 final score, and we saw vintage Jamal Murray playoff Jamal 42 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:11.120 bubble Jamal if you were with forty three points leading 43 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:15.680 the Denver Nuggets to a pretty dominating victory over the 44 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:18.639 LA Clippers. And now Denver leads that series three to two. 45 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:20.759 New York's still up three to two on the Pistons. 46 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.159 So a lot of NBA basketball in the show today, 47 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:27.120 a lot of playoff basketball on the show today. The 48 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:29.840 NFL draft, of course, is in the rear view mirror. 49 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:32.759 Some new information today about the slide of shad Or Sanders. 50 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:35.759 Apparently the Pittsburgh Steelers, according to a Steelers beat rider 51 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:39.759 who joined a Rich Eisen today, we're never going to 52 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:42.360 take a quarterback that they thought could start this year. 53 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:45.840 Still waiting on Aaron Rodgers. Apparently the Pittsburgh Steelers is 54 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:48.599 and we've got some Pittsburgh Steelers are is the right 55 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:51.039 way to say that. And we have some new landing 56 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:54.120 spots for some of our local players that were not drafted, 57 00:02:54.919 --> 00:02:57.560 some uts and some Cougars finding their way to undrafted 58 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:01.560 free agent deals. The college's basket football transfer portal continues 59 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.479 to remain open. I believe there's five roster spots left 60 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:07.639 for Alex Jensen and coach Chilias and the staff at 61 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:09.800 Utah to fill out their roster, so we'll give you 62 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.840 the latest there as far as the current landscape of 63 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:17.080 the college basketball situation here in state. RSL takes their 64 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:19.159 act on the road once again. It is a road 65 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:22.000 heavy portion of the schedule for our local soccer club. 66 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.919 They're going to be in Vancouver coming up on Saturday 67 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:27.879 for a seven to thirty first kick, so we'll get 68 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.719 to a little soccer on the program today as well. 69 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:38.919 The Utah Hockey Club, the headline on ESPN is Mammoth 70 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:43.039 Gaff question mark Utah Mama name after leak. The Utah 71 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:45.680 Hockey Club apparently allowed their name to leak and now 72 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:48.120 they're trying to walk it back. I don't know. It 73 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:52.759 feels very reminiscent of leaking some uniforms for the Utah 74 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.479 Jazz that were not well received before, trying to spin 75 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.680 that pr Gaff as well. Who's running the show down there? 76 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.520 Kind of embarrassing. But we may have a name for 77 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:06.240 the hockey club and it is certainly not my preference, 78 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:08.439 but we'll get to some of that. Some of those 79 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:11.159 stories coming up on the show. Downtown Salt Lake City 80 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.039 is undergoing a massive renovation, and we have some new 81 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:19.160 details leaked about the Delta Center renovation. I part of 82 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:22.160 me wonders if they leaked that to try to distract 83 00:04:22.199 --> 00:04:25.519 people from what they did actually leaking the name of 84 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:27.800 the hockey club. So we'll get to some of those 85 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.160 storylines on the program today with a really good guest list. 86 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:32.560 We'll start things off today with one of our favorites 87 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:36.040 to talk basketball. Do we bring up to Tony Jones 88 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:38.120 that he thought you Orge Sanders would be drafted first 89 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.920 in the NFL draft? Maybe, but mostly we'll talk some 90 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.000 jazz hoops. We'll talk some Nuggets hoops. We'll do some 91 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.120 draft today with TJ Trevor Sikima, one of our favorites 92 00:04:47.120 --> 00:04:50.199 from Pro Football Focus, to recap the NFL draft and 93 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:52.680 look ahead to the NFL offseason prior to the start 94 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:55.439 of the season. Come fall an hour in studio with 95 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.360 our guy Chris Comraddi from The Athletic and then Dave Fox. Yes, 96 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:01.199 we will let d on the show today after he 97 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:03.519 ditched us yesterday. I was on TV with Dave last 98 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:06.920 night ten thirty five KM. Why you call it Five 99 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.079 Questions with Spence. You can find that streaming online at 100 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:14.879 KMYU dot com. Tony Jones, Trevor sickham Met, Chris Camaraddie, 101 00:05:14.920 --> 00:05:17.079 Dave Fox, Me, Spence checkets, all of you the great 102 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:20.839 listeners on this Wednesday afternoon and that guy Porter Larson 103 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:25.519 on a Wednesday. Whenever a family member of a famous 104 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:28.879 person is the story, the story is never good. And 105 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.399 we've got the Jeff Olbert situation with his kid pranking 106 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:36.000 showre Sanders and I, I don't know that I've ever 107 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:38.600 seen a press conference where his son had to apologize 108 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.160 for the behavior of his father as a professional basketball player. 109 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:43.279 I thought Tyree s Halliburton handle it well. But just 110 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:45.319 clown behavior from his dad last night. 111 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:49.399 Yeah, I mean if if you would have seen like 112 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:52.040 a LeVar Ball or Chom Moran, like one of the 113 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:55.439 dads who's public a little more public, do that, it 114 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:57.639 would be it would be all over the place. So 115 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:03.879 you know, Tyrese Haliburton's dad had a extra drink or 116 00:06:03.879 --> 00:06:07.480 two and probably shouldn't be allowed to sit front row 117 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:11.879 for a while for a good while. Probably. Yeah, that's embarrassing. 118 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.319 You mentioned the stuff with Shador and the Falcons defensive coordinator. 119 00:06:17.279 --> 00:06:21.279 Maybe a good lesson for those who are around the 120 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:23.759 very talented or very successful folk. 121 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:26.600 Just just enjoy the ride. 122 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:30.279 Don't make yourself the story, don't make yourself the subject, 123 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:34.040 because as you mentioned, it's it's very rarely ever a 124 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:35.240 good story in that regard. 125 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:37.759 And to go at Yannis, you know, like that's the. 126 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:39.279 Other like do you want to get your head ripped off? 127 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.839 Also well head ripped off, but also universally liked and 128 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:45.319 respect that. I thought, I thought Jannis handled it so 129 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:45.920 well last night. 130 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:50.600 Yeah, Jana Sonodakunpo is number one. Yes, a freak of nature. 131 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.319 He will he could have popped that guy's head off 132 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:57.480 like a like a daisy. But he's a sweetheart also, 133 00:06:57.560 --> 00:07:00.399 so yeah, it's funny that not only do you go 134 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:01.959 out on the floor and make an ass of yourself, 135 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:05.759 but you do it too, probably like the most well 136 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:09.800 liked superstar in today's age, maybe in the NBA in 137 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:10.519 a long time. 138 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:11.959 Yeah, pretty sill. 139 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:13.839 Would you rather fight Yiannis or a gorilla? 140 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:15.040 Be honest? 141 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.319 Okay, fair enough, but you know that that conversation. I 142 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:20.879 don't know how it leaked into my algorithm, but now 143 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:23.279 it's dominating everything I pull up on social media. 144 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:26.360 I didn't really see it much until you mentioned it yesterday, 145 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.120 and then I went home and it was everywhere. The 146 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:34.240 debate about gorillas and fighting and you know you're gonna lose. 147 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.040 Probably won't do much on that debate today. The LPGA 148 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:39.959 Tour is also in our state down at Black Desert 149 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:42.920 for the LPGA Championship. So a fun time right now 150 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:45.240 here in the state of Utah. First guest on a 151 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.040 Wednesday will be our buddy Tony Jones. 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So I'm going over on most of 184 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:21.000 the Lakers and under on most of the Timberwolves. 185 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:21.360 All right. 186 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:25.440 NBA playoff action last night saw the Detroit Pistons stave 187 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:28.919 off elimination at Madison Square Garden. That series has been 188 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:32.519 unexpectedly really really fun. They're going to head back to Detroit. 189 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:36.159 The Detroit Pistons have not won a home playoff game 190 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:39.360 in seventeen years because the Knicks went there and won 191 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:42.080 a couple of games in Detroit. And it's funny whenever 192 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:44.960 I hear some of these stats dropped about how long 193 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.759 it's been since some of these teams have had playoff success, 194 00:09:47.919 --> 00:09:51.360 it is a reminder of how lucky we've been here 195 00:09:51.799 --> 00:09:54.919 in Salt Lake, about the consistent competitive nature of our 196 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:58.120 pro basketball team. Yes, we've never won a championship, and 197 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:00.200 if we're honest, we haven't had a team that I 198 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:03.519 think has been a serious championship contender since nineteen ninety eight. 199 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:06.399 But more often than not, we have had competitive teams 200 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:09.159 that advance to the playoffs and offer up some really, 201 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:12.120 really fun spring basketball this time of year here in 202 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:15.519 Salt Lake. Now it has been three years as the 203 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.399 Jazz started their decision too. I don't know if you 204 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:20.240 believe them. They were breaking it down and now they're 205 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:22.799 building it up, which is just dumb. But after the 206 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:24.919 Jazz made their decision to move on from a very 207 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.559 good and still somewhat young, competitive team, it has been 208 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:32.360 three years since we've seen playoff basketball. Hopefully it's back 209 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:35.720 sooner rather than later. But you know, cities like Washington, 210 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:39.279 cities like Detroit, and there are plenty of other examples 211 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.879 of cities that have truly gone like ten to fifteen 212 00:10:41.919 --> 00:10:45.519 sometimes more years without a team that is even somewhat 213 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:50.039 competitive playing playoff basketball, winning playoff basketball at home. It 214 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:52.200 is a reminder of how lucky we've been here and 215 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:56.360 another reminder of my hope that we are not in 216 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:59.559 the beginning stages of a long ten to fifteen year 217 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:02.600 run where we don't have a competitive team here in 218 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:05.360 saul Lake, because that is as a basketball fan, that 219 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:08.360 is purgatory. Of course, the Celtics had no issue with 220 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:12.279 the Magic. I still have not come off my stance 221 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:15.080 that Boston is the best team in the league, even 222 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:19.000 watching what Cleveland just did just dispatching of the Miami Heat. 223 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:21.159 The only thing that would concern me as a Celtic 224 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:23.240 fan is right now. Some of the health issues is 225 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:26.000 Drew Holliday has had to sit. Tatum is back and 226 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:27.720 he was awesome last night, but he had to miss 227 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.600 a couple of games. Porzingis is always a wild card 228 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:32.559 with his health, and even Jalen Brown had to miss 229 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.679 a game. And Cleveland, of course, dispatching of Miami very 230 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:39.039 quickly allowed them to sit there and will allow them 231 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:40.799 to sit there players and rest and get ready for 232 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.639 round two. But no problem for the Celtics last night 233 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:47.519 a really really good game in Denver and a reminder 234 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:50.279 of what the Nuggets look like when the two man 235 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:52.759 game of Jamal Murray and Nicola jokicch looks like you 236 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:55.799 did last night. It's so problematic. Now you look at 237 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:59.519 Jokicic's stat line and you see four thirteen and only 238 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:04.120 thirteen points. He was a maestro last night getting other 239 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:06.879 players involved. He had twelve assists, he had ten boards, 240 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:08.799 and even when he doesn't score or shoot it well, 241 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.200 he controls the game. And you could tell that he 242 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:14.840 was intentional at getting Jamal looks because Jamal was going 243 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:17.879 early seventeen of twenty six, eight to fourteen from three 244 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:21.360 forty three points, and when Jamal gets going like that, 245 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:23.679 it's a reminder of how tough they could be. Now 246 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:25.679 they go back to Los Angeles and this series is 247 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:27.720 not over. In fact, I think it's going to go seven. 248 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.720 Last night was just a kind of a decent Kawhi game. 249 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:33.360 He did have twenty and eleven but only took fifteen shots. 250 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.240 Zubots looked really good, but we saw yet another example. 251 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:41.039 And look, we talk often about regardless of what Kawai does, 252 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.639 the rest of his career will always look back on 253 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.799 what could have been because of how dominant he's been 254 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:49.559 when he's healthy. James Harden can do nothing to change 255 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:52.519 the narrative that he is just a shrinking violet when 256 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.600 it comes to spring basketball. And he did nothing last night. 257 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:57.720 And this is a guy who in the past, with 258 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:01.919 Houston and other stops, has straight up quit on teams, 259 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:04.279 and he looked horrible last night. But most of the 260 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:08.519 attention from playoff basketball last night, before we get to 261 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.879 what could come our way with a really good doubleheader tonight, 262 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:14.279 is what happened in Indiana as the Milwaukee Bucks took 263 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:17.080 a twenty point lead in the first half behind Giannis 264 00:13:17.559 --> 00:13:20.799 and Gary Trent, and you feel really bad for Gary 265 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:24.440 Trent today because he's taken a lot of heat. He 266 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:27.120 did hit four threes in overtime, and they were not 267 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:29.720 even in the game without Gary Trent shooting, because it 268 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:33.960 really was Yannis and then everybody else. And Yannis thirty points, 269 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:37.600 twenty boards, thirteen assists. And this is the stat that's 270 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:39.960 blowing me away because a lot of people talking about 271 00:13:40.399 --> 00:13:44.360 what's next with Jannis and Milwaukee. Over Jannis's last ten 272 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:49.360 playoff games, he's averaging thirty two points, sixteen rebounds, and 273 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:53.919 six assists. Yet Milwaukee is one in nine in those 274 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.799 ten games, and they've been ousted in the first round 275 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:59.759 of the playoffs for three straight years. Next year, Dame 276 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:03.440 Low will probably miss the entire season if he's back, 277 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.720 and won't be intel spring, and so the conversation turns 278 00:14:06.720 --> 00:14:10.600 into what's next for Giannisante to Cumbo, Milwaukee had a 279 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:14.480 seven point lead with forty seconds left. Teams in the 280 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:16.840 history of the NBA Playoffs that are up seven points 281 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.559 with forty seconds left before last night were one thousand, 282 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:23.960 six hundred and nine and zero over sixteen hundred games, 283 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.639 no one ever lost. They Indiana needed a perfect storm 284 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:32.600 with two just atrocious turnovers by Gary Trent Junior, who 285 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:34.600 again was shooting lights out, so it's hard to be 286 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:38.639 super critical. And then Tyres Halliburton, who ten days ago 287 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:42.360 was named the most overrated player in the NBA by 288 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:45.919 one hundred and fifty of his peers who were contacted 289 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.519 by the Athletic, just had a dynamite close to a 290 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.240 great series for him twenty six points nine, as sists 291 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:55.919 that last layup he beat Giannis to get to the 292 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.360 ten and then lay it in. And of course the 293 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:00.759 attention today is on the poor be behavior of Tyree 294 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:04.720 Halliburton's father, John, who I didn't even know about outside 295 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:07.240 of hearing certain things here there. I'd never seen him. 296 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:10.960 He has a reputation of really standing up for a son, 297 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.559 which is great, but he has a reputation of being 298 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:16.440 a little bit off the cuff, being a guy that 299 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:20.600 has a difficult time containing himself. And I'll just say this, 300 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.679 if that was you, if you're listening to program, if 301 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.159 that was you last night, mister John Doe listening to 302 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:30.559 this radio show, and you had a front row seat, 303 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:33.759 and you're a Pacers fan, and after the game the 304 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.480 Pacers win and you go confront Giannis like that, you 305 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:40.080 would be banned from NBA arenas for the rest of 306 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:43.000 your life. And I think the league needs They're not 307 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.720 going to ban John Halliburton for the rest of his life, 308 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.960 but I think the league needs to come down on 309 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.679 Tyresee's father for what he did last night. I don't 310 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:55.399 know what that looks like. Maybe just tell him he's 311 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:57.799 got to sit in the friends and family room, the 312 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:01.120 green room, and the arenas you can know longer sit courtside. 313 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:04.960 It wasn't just what he did. It wasn't the timing 314 00:16:05.000 --> 00:16:06.600 of it, because if you look at the replay, and 315 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.159 by the way, if you watch Inside the NBA on 316 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.440 TNT last night, I don't know what the hell Shaq 317 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:14.480 was thinking. Now that's kind of an evergreen sentence because 318 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:16.759 Shaq is a legend, but at times he says things 319 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:19.519 that are so idiotic and dumb it makes you wonder 320 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:21.360 if he's just doing it for the sake of argument. 321 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.159 I thought Chuck nailed it last night. I thought Kenny 322 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:26.200 Smith nailed it last night. I thought Shaq was up 323 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:29.000 in the night. This was all on John Halliburton. None 324 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.399 of this should be at the feed of Giannis Sante Tocumbo, 325 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:34.799 who is an unbelievable talent, one of the best players 326 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:37.879 we've ever seen, a former NBA champ, a former MVP, 327 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.399 and I have no issue with what Giannis did, and 328 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.360 the fact that John Halliburton did that to Yannis, to me, 329 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:47.879 even makes it worse. One of the classiest players, and 330 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:51.039 Giannis's postgame comments could not have been more mature and better. 331 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:54.399 So that's kind of the big takeaway. Family members behaving poorly, 332 00:16:54.480 --> 00:16:57.519 And as I said earlier, whenever the story is about 333 00:16:57.559 --> 00:17:01.120 the family member of the famous person, it's never a 334 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:05.240 positive thing. Lebron James famously had to tell his mom, Gloria, 335 00:17:05.319 --> 00:17:08.200 to stop chirping at other players, to the point where 336 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:12.400 she stopped sitting courtside. Jeff Olbrick his son, defensive coordinator 337 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:14.960 who has been fined, the Falcons defensive coordinator who has 338 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.359 been fined. Whenever the story is about the family member 339 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.759 of the famous one, it's never a good thing. Doubleheader 340 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.559 of NBA Playoff action tonight, and I am juice for 341 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:29.839 both these games. Closeout games always the hardest, more often 342 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:33.599 than not, unless you're the Celtics playing the Magic We 343 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:37.920 Got Warriors, Rockets, TNT and then Timberwolves Lakers. So two 344 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.119 good games tonight. Let's break it down with one of 345 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:43.000 the best, one of our favorites, Tony Jones on a 346 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:45.960 Wednesday afternoon. TJ. Happy Wednesday, buddy, how are we doing? 347 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:47.480 Happy Wednesday? 348 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:48.319 How are you good? 349 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:48.519 Man? 350 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.119 I'm good? So just give me the Tony Jones take 351 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:57.839 on the John Halliburton Giannis Ante Tocoombo altercation last night. 352 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:05.960 It was completely unacceptable in you know, a long story short, 353 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:12.440 John Hollibarton's Burton shouldn't be allowed into another aren for 354 00:18:12.480 --> 00:18:17.559 the remainder of the playoffs. So you know this is 355 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:24.240 that was a serious breach. You know, uh, you can't 356 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:26.680 do what he did. I mean, he basically went up 357 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:31.200 to Gianni's cursed him out, you know, called them all 358 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:35.799 sorts of names. You know, I went face to face 359 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:39.920 with him. I mean that that's just Jianna's showed Giannice 360 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:42.000 is a better man than I would than I am, 361 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:45.480 because I would have knocked his block off, and Jannis 362 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.359 had every right to knock his block off, and he 363 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:54.680 showed a level of emotional maturity that I think that, uh, 364 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:58.440 that all of us can take a lesson from. And 365 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:04.799 you know, it's good that Tyrese went into the press 366 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:09.880 conference and owned it and rebuke what his father did. 367 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:13.960 And you know, I think the NBA should come down hard, 368 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:17.400 and I think that, you know, they should set an 369 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:21.480 example of the father and not let him into another 370 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:26.640 arena until until next season. And you know, this is basically, 371 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:32.000 you know, this is basically a player going into the 372 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:37.839 stands just reversed. You know, it was you know, it 373 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:42.279 was just something that that just should not happen, can happen, 374 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:43.960 and should never happen again. 375 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.319 You know, Tony good stuff there. I actually would not 376 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:50.279 be opposed to the league doing something even a little 377 00:19:50.279 --> 00:19:52.359 bit more harsh, because let's call this how it is. 378 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.200 If if that was a fan last night, if that 379 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:59.440 was who if whoever's listening to the show right now, 380 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:01.319 if that was you, if you had a front row 381 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:05.359 seat and you're a Pacers fan, and the Pacers win 382 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.440 the game, and a fan did that to Giannis, he 383 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.640 would be banned for life right now. I don't I'm 384 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:14.960 not saying anything that anything that harsh should happen, but 385 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.640 it's almost in a way you expect better behavior from 386 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:21.799 family members of players. So I agree with you that 387 00:20:21.839 --> 00:20:23.759 the league has to do something. But what do you 388 00:20:23.759 --> 00:20:25.720 think about even coming down a little a little bit 389 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:28.039 harder than keeping him out of arenas for the rest 390 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:28.799 of the postseason. 391 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:32.440 I mean, you can keep him. I wouldn't be opposed 392 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:35.359 to keep him out of arenas for a full calendar year. Yeah, 393 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:38.599 And I think that was I think it was best. 394 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.839 And that's the thing, you know, I saw a lot 395 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:43.759 of that, Like, you know, if that was a fan, 396 00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:46.559 if that was a fan joh Halbert was is a fan. 397 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:50.480 He doesn't work for the Pacers, he doesn't work for 398 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:54.720 the NBA. He is a fan who happens to be 399 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:56.000 a father of. 400 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:58.440 The player. 401 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:04.039 And and you know, I don't see any other you know, 402 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:08.640 parents or you know, coming out coming onto the floor 403 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:12.880 and doing something like that. And you know, and as 404 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:15.599 a parent, you know, you have to set an example, 405 00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:20.039 and you know, and you know, he's too old to 406 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:22.319 do what he did, Like he's too old to be 407 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:25.480 doing stuff like that. Like you expect that, you know, 408 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:28.160 if something like that were to happen with a family member, 409 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:30.720 you expect that with a brother or something like that, 410 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:34.240 or a cousin or somebody like that, somebody who's you know, 411 00:21:34.359 --> 00:21:38.079 in his twenties. You know, this man is way too 412 00:21:38.079 --> 00:21:41.440 old to be doing what he did that. You know, 413 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:43.279 it just really really unacceptable. 414 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:45.960 And I also to him one more thing here, I 415 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:48.839 feel like he took away the moment from his kid. 416 00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:50.960 Feel I feel like he you know what I mean. 417 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:53.839 Like ten days ago, you guys at the Athletic released 418 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.079 a survey of one hundred and fifty players, and his 419 00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:03.119 peers identified him as the most overrated player in pro basketball. 420 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:05.519 And I can't imagine what that did. Like, I'm sure 421 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:08.240 that really bummed him out. And that final game winning 422 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:12.160 layoup TJ he beat Giannis for the lay up, and 423 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:15.359 you know, he he essentially leads his team to a 424 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.759 first round playoff victory. Like I felt like the actions 425 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:20.640 from his father kind of took away the shine of 426 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:21.559 the moment for his kid. 427 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:27.640 Yeah. Absolutely, because Tyres Holiverson should have been able to 428 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:30.480 go up to that press conference and talk about his 429 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:33.799 heroics in the last you know, forty seconds in overtime 430 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:38.519 and also in the last minute of regulation. Instead, he 431 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:44.160 had to answer those questions, and that was unfair to him. Uh, 432 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:47.240 patently unfair to him. It was unfair, to be honest, 433 00:22:47.240 --> 00:22:50.200 that he had to address uh that he had to 434 00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:52.119 address that, that he had to be put in a 435 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:56.400 position to where he had to compose himself enough to 436 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.079 where he would be able to to to address that 437 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.920 with the elequence and the grace that he did address that, 438 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:09.279 and it just took away from from you know, the 439 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:13.319 entire not the narrative of the game, but you know 440 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:17.279 the conversation of the game, which is, you know, the 441 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:21.519 Indiana Pacers came back from seven down in the last 442 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:25.319 forty seconds of overtime to win a game. You know, 443 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:27.640 we should be talking about that. We should be talking 444 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.960 about the two turnovers by Gary Trent Jr. We should 445 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:36.559 be talking about you know, Doc Rivers kind of looking 446 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:41.240 helpless on the sidelines. We should be talking about Giannie's future, 447 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:49.400 anything else other than Tyrese Holliburton's father, And. 448 00:23:49.359 --> 00:23:52.039 We will do that now. Tony Well said, so let's 449 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:54.599 talk about what you think is next for Gianni's Actually, 450 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:56.079 you know what, before we get there, let's do a 451 00:23:56.079 --> 00:23:59.480 little dame you know, because there's always this debate that 452 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.200 goes on in state, like who's the best in state 453 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:05.440 college player that is playing in the NBA, And usually 454 00:24:05.920 --> 00:24:10.079 that digresses into BYU vers Utah and it's clearly Damien 455 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:13.079 and it has been for a long time a local legend. 456 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:15.720 I can remember Randy Ray coming on my radio show 457 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.599 and Dame was a sophomore and telling both me and Gordon, 458 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:20.599 you guys have to get up here and see this kid. 459 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:22.680 And one of my regrets is that I did not 460 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:24.759 do that enough. I think I saw Dame play here 461 00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:27.519 two or three times, and I don't know if this 462 00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:30.400 is the end, but he's turning thirty five this offseason, 463 00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:32.720 and that is not an injury that is easy to 464 00:24:32.759 --> 00:24:35.319 come back from, even if you're twenty two. So what 465 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:39.480 are your thoughts about this unfortunate situation that may end 466 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:41.640 Damian Lillard's career? How do you think this plays out? 467 00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:50.000 Do you know the one? So there were two tweets 468 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:55.960 that I sent out around twenty twelve and twenty thirteen 469 00:24:56.720 --> 00:25:01.920 that got me everything but a Child of God by 470 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:06.160 every BYU fan on Twitter. And I'm gonna tell you 471 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:09.079 the two tweets. Can you guess what the two tweets are? 472 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:10.920 I'm gonna guess they had something to do with him 473 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.079 being better than for that or something like that. 474 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:18.599 Okay, So the one tweet was I covered when I 475 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:20.720 was remember I was covering Utah State, so this was 476 00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:28.960 twenty eleven. Actually this is twenty eleven, and and I 477 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:33.960 covered Utah State against Weaver State and Damian Lillard just 478 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:37.920 went absolutely nothing. Utah State won the game, but Damian 479 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:41.880 Lillard was was absolutely ridiculous. And I tweeted that night 480 00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:48.319 I said, Damian Lillard is the best NBA prospect in 481 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.400 the state of Utah. And this was Jimmers senior year 482 00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:57.200 and that did not go overwhelmed at all. So that 483 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:01.160 was one tweet, and the second tweet was is uh 484 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:08.079 and I'm super proud of this one. The second tweek 485 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:13.319 was I said, uh after the state tournament and I 486 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:15.720 had the twenty twelve or twenty thirteen, I don't know, 487 00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:21.519 after the state tournament, the high school state tournament, I 488 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:26.480 said that Sam Merrill was the best UH senior point 489 00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:31.160 guard in the state of Utah. And that was TJ 490 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.359 Hall this year when he was a high four star kid. 491 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.079 He was like a top forty kid nationally. And they 492 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:39.839 had both, you know, Sam and signed with Utah State 493 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:45.559 and TJ signed with BYU, and both of those tweets 494 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.000 and ended up aging really well. And both of those 495 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:51.160 tweets got me in a lot of hot water with 496 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:54.160 with the BYU fan base. Uh so b yu. I 497 00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:57.000 love you guys. You know, Agent Davans was going to 498 00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:58.880 be number one, number two pick in the draft, So 499 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:05.640 we're even getting to Dame. I don't think his career 500 00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:10.599 is over, h I one believe that he's coming back. 501 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:16.359 I one hundred believe that we have seen the last 502 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.519 of him as an All Star, all NBA level player. 503 00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:24.359 You know, the there are a lot of comparisons going 504 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.000 around to to Kevin Durant's Achilles injury, you know, but 505 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.400 the difference is Damian Lillard six for two and Kevin 506 00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:35.319 Durant uh is seven foot and you know Damian Lillard's 507 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:39.960 you know, really dependent on you know, his urse, his 508 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:43.720 explosion off the dribble, his first step, you know, getting 509 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:47.279 separation for you know, his his ability to score at 510 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:50.599 all three levels. I I one hundred percent believe that 511 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:52.640 he's going to come back. So I don't think he's 512 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.400 going to retire. I don't think that, you know, we've 513 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.559 seen the last of him. What I'm hoping is that 514 00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.559 when he does come back, he finds himself in a 515 00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.319 position where he can win a championship. You know, as 516 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:09.799 a veteran guard, who can you know, as a veteran guard, 517 00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:14.440 who's you know, able to provide some clutch and timely scoring. 518 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:19.119 I don't think that he's going to ever be the 519 00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:23.519 guy that he was before the Achilles because that's just 520 00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:27.160 too hard for you know, a thirty five year old, 521 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:31.880 you know, small guard who's dependent on who's dependent on 522 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:35.240 the first step to to really uh to to really 523 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.160 deal with and come back and play at the same level. 524 00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:44.079 But you know, his career as an All NBA guy, uh, 525 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:48.480 his career as an All Star guy. You know, he's 526 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:52.319 he's was this sensational and he's one of the best 527 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:58.400 offensive under the rim uh players of our era. And 528 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.519 you know he's he's you know, done everything the right way. 529 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.799 He's conducted himself, you know, professionally, nothing but professionally on 530 00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:13.200 and off the floor. You know, I wish nothing but 531 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.880 the best for him. And you know, like I said, 532 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:20.200 I'm sure that we'll see him back in an NBA 533 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.000 uniform in about a year. 534 00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.240 I hope you're right, and I hope it looks okay. 535 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.440 I hope it's not one of those things where like 536 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:32.160 after ewing his hurt his achilles and came back and 537 00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.640 played for the Sonics, and it's like, who is that player? 538 00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.160 You know, I don't want to watch Dame look anything 539 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.319 other than what we're accustomed to seeing him look like. 540 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:43.920 But it does lend Tony a conversation about what's next 541 00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:47.599 for Giannis and Milwaukee. You know, ultimately, if you're Yiannis. 542 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.599 I referenced this earlier. Last ten playoff games for Giannis, 543 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:55.839 he's averaging thirty two, sixteen and six, but they're one 544 00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:58.440 in nine and they've lost in the first round three 545 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:02.279 straight years. So look, let's be clear. Milwaukee is not 546 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:05.880 trading him unless Jannis comes to them and says, okay, 547 00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:09.880 I gave you everything, and look here, here's the deal. 548 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.920 When you are when you when you want a championship. Okay, 549 00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:16.160 the Lebron thing is perfect here. When Lebron left Cleveland 550 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:19.720 the first time for Miami, they were burning his jersey. 551 00:30:20.119 --> 00:30:22.880 When he left the second time for la it was 552 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:25.759 love because he won a title for the city. So 553 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:28.240 Jannis can actually leave Milwaukee if he wants to with 554 00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.599 his head held high. Do you think that's going to happen? 555 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.079 And if so, how do you think that trade goes down. 556 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:41.359 You know, it's it's really interesting because if you're if 557 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.960 you're Milwaukee, you're gonna want you know, you're gonna want 558 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:49.880 a Yannis level deal, and you're gonna want you know, 559 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.319 you're gonna want real assets. So you know, Houston's got 560 00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:58.200 real assets, Oklahoma City's got real assets. The Utah Jazz 561 00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:01.400 never real assets. I don't think that giannest is going 562 00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.720 to go to Milwaukee's front office and say, hey, trade 563 00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:11.400 me to the Utah Jazz. You know, but you know 564 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:16.519 people are throwing out you know, Golden State Warriors, the 565 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.319 Los Angeles Lakers, you know, those teams don't have any 566 00:31:19.319 --> 00:31:24.279 assets to get honest, you know, unless Milwaukee's taking the trade, 567 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:26.799 you know, for twenty five or thirty cents on the dollars. 568 00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:31.240 So you know, if Joannis goes to if Jannie goes 569 00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.160 to you know, his front office and he says, hey, 570 00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:41.240 you know, please trade me, then you know, the the 571 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.960 the the ultimate you know landing side is probably Houston 572 00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:50.640 or you know, Oklahoma City. But if I'm Oklahoma City, 573 00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:52.559 I don't know that I want to trade for you honest, 574 00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:56.200 like I just you know, I think that they are 575 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:03.200 a NBA title contend there right now. I don't think 576 00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:06.160 they need another piece, and I think that with the 577 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:11.160 assets that they have, they're set up to be a 578 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.799 title contender for years for years to come. The one 579 00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:22.960 Eastern conference place where I would say is really interesting. 580 00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:30.039 I think it's Philadelphia because I think they have, you know, 581 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:34.440 Paul George's salary. Let's assume that they keep their pick 582 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:41.640 right now, they have they have this year's pick, and 583 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.000 you know they also have they have a young guy 584 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.599 that's already there and Jared McCain that you know, they 585 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:54.400 could possibly put into a trade. And they have the 586 00:32:54.440 --> 00:33:00.359 Los Angeles Clippers twenty twenty eight unprotected first round pick, 587 00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:07.200 so you know, the the sixers could potentially actually put together. 588 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:16.799 They could potentially actually put together a package that is 589 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.720 that is at least worth you know, opening the conversation 590 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.400 or opening the door, opening all the lines of communication 591 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:26.279 with Milwaukee. 592 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:32.599 All right, since you referenced the Jazz, as you know, online, 593 00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:35.599 a lot of jazz fans are talking about the potential 594 00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:39.559 of the Jazz getting involved if Giannis does ask out 595 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:43.000 of Milwaukee. The issue, well, there are several issues. I 596 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:46.839 don't know that the Jazz are looking to do the 597 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.359 whole big game hunting thing this offseason. It feels like 598 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:52.680 they've really leaned into a long game play. So that's 599 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.559 one look. If Yannis wants to come to Utah, the 600 00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.079 Jazz will be interested. I'm not saying that they wouldn't be. 601 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:00.839 I just don't know that that's a play that they're 602 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:02.640 going to try to make, because I think they're gonna 603 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:04.200 long game it and we'll see if they get Cooper 604 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.799 flag at one. But I guess I guess. The way 605 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.840 I'll ask you is whether it's Giannis or anyone else 606 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:11.800 that could be available. There are a lot of teams 607 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.199 that have real issues because they have high pay rolls 608 00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:18.760 and they're not good. Phoenix is one of them. Rumors 609 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.239 about Durant being dealt, So whether a Jonas or Durant 610 00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.000 or anyone else, you think the Jazz are going to 611 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:25.599 try to make a play to get involved with some 612 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:27.400 of these big name guys that will be moved. 613 00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.920 Well, I don't think it makes sense for the Jazz 614 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:35.920 to do any of that unless they get Cooper flags. 615 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:43.159 Because if they get Cooper flag, I think he's good 616 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.840 enough that he's going to roll out of bed into 617 00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:48.639 the NBA and he's going to average fifteen to five 618 00:34:48.679 --> 00:34:52.880 and flave you know, instantly as a rookie and instantly 619 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.800 be a high level starter. But he's the only guy 620 00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.039 in the draft that that's gonna instantly going to be 621 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.519 a high level guy like that. So, you know, if 622 00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:10.039 you're the Jazz, let's say you get Cooper Flaggs, you 623 00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:15.719 can offer you know, a lot of Jazz fans have 624 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:18.760 lamented the fact that, you know, the Jazz haven't been 625 00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.519 able to trade John Collins or Jordan Clarkson as of yet. 626 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.079 Well guess what. Now they're tradable salary and they're all 627 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:29.440 they're both going into the last years of their contract, 628 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:34.079 which means they can offer Milwaukee one of the biggest 629 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:38.639 things that Milwaukee really needs right now. They can offer Milwaukee, 630 00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.880 you know, relief from their books. Give them John Collins, 631 00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:47.039 you give them Jordan Clarkson. And do you they have 632 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:53.599 eleven tradeable first round picks? Uh? And you give them 633 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:58.000 five or six of those. And then you know, the 634 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.599 question is if you're Milwaukee, Okay, do we want a 635 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:06.840 tangible young guy to come back and Milwaukee The answer 636 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:09.719 is probably yes, because if Milwaukee deals with Houston, they're 637 00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.559 gonna ask rom and Thompson if if Milwaukee deals with 638 00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:17.199 Oklahoma City, they're going to ask for one of those 639 00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:22.800 young guys, you know. So then the question is, you know, 640 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:27.000 how does Milwaukee feel about Keyante George or Isaiah Collier 641 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.360 or Coles Otowski. And I don't know the answer to that, 642 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:36.880 But the Jazz can for sure get their foot in 643 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:43.760 the door by offering tradables, by offering salary and salary relief, 644 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.880 and offering a bunch of picks because Milwaukee does not 645 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:48.920 have a lot of picks, does not have any picks 646 00:36:48.960 --> 00:36:53.679 at all, you know, So you know it'll be interesting. 647 00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.000 But you know, if the Jazz don't get Cooper Flagg, 648 00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.000 it doesn't just doesn't make sense because if they don't 649 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:03.039 get Cooper Flag, they probably just need to just go 650 00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.159 ahead and tank next year and try to get one 651 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:10.079 of one of the three big guys in the twenty 652 00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.920 twenty six draft. But if they do get Cooper Flag, 653 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.360 then I think that that accelerates their timeline a little 654 00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:19.679 bit and they can go and they can try to 655 00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.840 make moves to where they can try to be competitive 656 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:23.360 right away. 657 00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.239 All right, a couple more things on last night before 658 00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:28.079 we get a thought on time, then I'll set you loose. 659 00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:30.679 And I hate to ask you about the Knicks kind 660 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:32.960 of letting it go there with the Pistons. They'll be 661 00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:36.519 me Tony. Come on, man, it's sports sock Radio. We 662 00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:38.519 all know where your heart lies. And look they're still 663 00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:40.840 up three to two. Detroit does don't want a playoff 664 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:43.880 game at home in almost twenty years. Jalen gets hurt. 665 00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:47.440 I don't know, man, Sometimes Kat just shrinks in big moments. 666 00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:50.239 That's not new. But a thought on last night, and 667 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.280 do you think the Knicks get it done in Detroit? 668 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.519 Are we looking at a game seven at MSG? 669 00:37:57.000 --> 00:38:04.320 My thoughts are that that was a really blown opportunity. 670 00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.679 You know, I watched that game, you know, on the 671 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:14.280 edge of my seat, and you know, you just have 672 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:17.880 to close that game out right, Like you know, you 673 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.199 got a gift from the NBA in Detroit. And I 674 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:23.000 don't like to admit this, but we got a gift 675 00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:28.280 in game four, and you know, and we should have 676 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.840 lost the game four, like we we should be playing 677 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:34.559 for our season tomorrow. That's that's that's the real sobering 678 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.880 reality of it. Like we could easily be playing for 679 00:38:37.960 --> 00:38:43.320 our season tomorrow. And you know, I think we just 680 00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:48.719 got to go in there and put together a really 681 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:54.519 complete basketball game on both ends of the floor. But 682 00:38:54.880 --> 00:38:58.800 you know, jamb Brunson is beat really beat beat up. 683 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:02.960 The Pistons took a lot of have taken a lot 684 00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.199 of skin off of the Knicks, whether the Knicks win 685 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:11.639 this series or not. And you know, they they've really 686 00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:16.920 beaten you know, jialing Up. You know Karling Anthony Towns 687 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.599 has had to go through, you know, a lot on 688 00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:23.719 the interior on both ends of the floor. On the 689 00:39:23.760 --> 00:39:26.199 Pistons are big, and they're physical, and I think they 690 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:29.199 have the best player on the series in k Cunningham. 691 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.159 And you know, I think that we're capable of going 692 00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:38.440 into Little Feasas Arena and winning tomorrow. I think we're 693 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:42.880 fully capable of that. But at the same time, I'm 694 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:46.079 just not going to be surprised that this if we're 695 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.239 looking at a Game seven on Saturday. 696 00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.199 And honestly, I wouldn't mind that because I like watching 697 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.800 Game sevens at MSG. Even though both of our poultses 698 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:56.039 are the sky high and we may have to have 699 00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:58.400 blood removed because our heart rate will be through the roof, 700 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:00.320 but we'll see how it plays out matches fund as 701 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:03.800 spring basketball in New York, all right, wasn't too long 702 00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:06.880 ago that most everybody was off of Denver. The Clips 703 00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.360 were up two to one. We saw a little bubble 704 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:11.360 Jamal last night, town, didn't we We saw a little 705 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.039 playoff Jamal Murray. Takeaways from the Nuggets win last night, 706 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:16.599 a couple of takeaways. 707 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.280 Number one, you saw, you know, playoff Jamal Murray. That 708 00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:26.440 was a special display of shot making. And he really 709 00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:28.960 had a bounce on his step, and you know, he 710 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.840 had it really going, you know, off the dribble, and 711 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:36.920 you know he the shot making was just absolutely insane. 712 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.519 You know, there are times where you know, Jamal murray 713 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:43.519 shot making is just, you know, something to behold. I 714 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:45.920 remember the Lakers series in twenty twenty three in the 715 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:49.360 Western Conference Finals. You know, his display of shot making 716 00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:53.199 is his ability to raise his game not only in 717 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.679 that series, but the Phoenix series where he was the 718 00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.639 second best player in the series in a series that 719 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.920 feature Kevin Durant and Devin Booker, and both Durant and 720 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:07.039 Booker were really, really, really good. You know, it's it's 721 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:11.480 when when he plays like that and you have Nicola Jokis. 722 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:14.239 Denver is just really tough to be So, you know, 723 00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:19.480 that's one takeaway to the second takeaway, which is really 724 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:27.119 shocking to me. David Adaman's out coaching Tyleru and some 725 00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:32.039 of the the the adjustments that he's made. I'll give 726 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:36.119 you one right now. In the first three games, you know, 727 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:40.480 Nikola Jokis operated you know, a lot in the middle 728 00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:43.840 of the floor, which is you know, conventionally you want 729 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:46.039 your best player in the middle of the floor to 730 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:48.119 where he can drive right, he can drive left, he 731 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.800 can you know, kind of survey the floor, you know, 732 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:55.679 kind of you know, Denver puts Jokids kind of in 733 00:41:56.079 --> 00:41:59.719 a lot of Dirk Novitsky situations where you know, styline extended. 734 00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:03.280 You know, he can move right and he can move left. Well, 735 00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:08.800 you know, the Clippers were doubling him so fiercely and 736 00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:11.239 so hard in the middle of the floor, and they 737 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:14.440 were they had turned were able to turn your kitch 738 00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.880 over with a lot of blind double blind side double teams, 739 00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:23.360 and you know, it was a problem. It was kind 740 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:27.159 of mucking up Denver's offense. It was kind of throwing 741 00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:30.920 Denver's offense off kilter. Denver relies on a lot of timing, 742 00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:33.239 a lot of d h o's, a lot of dribble handoffs, 743 00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:36.000 a lot of pick and rolls. Uh. It was thrown 744 00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:39.000 off the timing of the offense. And you know, that's 745 00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:42.199 one of the reasons why the Clippers really looked like 746 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:45.519 they were in control of the first three games of 747 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:50.880 the series, well in games four, in Games five, David 748 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:55.079 Adaman has done a couple of things with Jokic. Number one, 749 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:58.119 he's had him operating on the sides of the floor 750 00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:03.679 to where so that means, h if the Clippers are 751 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:06.760 sending double teams, it's alleviated the double team pressures because 752 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.320 if he's on one side of the floor or the 753 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.840 other as opposed to the middle of the floor, you 754 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.480 can only send one double teams from one angle. And 755 00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:17.920 Yolkic could see and there weren't There haven't been any 756 00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:20.320 blindside double teams that have been able to turn them over. 757 00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.559 And you know, once he sees the double teams, you 758 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.440 cook because then he can just he's like a supercomputer. 759 00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:31.360 He can just kind of pick you apart, you know, 760 00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.679 with with his reads. So that was one thing, and 761 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.880 the other thing, Uh, he's gotten the cola Yolkicic on 762 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:43.800 the move. He's gotten the col Yolkic on the move 763 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.440 a lot more in the last two games. You know, 764 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.280 so he's you know, gotten cut into the basket, He's 765 00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.559 gotten them actually coming off of down screens. He's running 766 00:43:54.599 --> 00:44:01.159 ato plays for him, and it's it's made Jokic's a 767 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.599 lot harder to tag uh for you know, the Los 768 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:10.519 Angeles Clippers defense, it's made him uh, it's made him 769 00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:15.199 a lot more difficult uh to keep uh. It's made 770 00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:17.079 it's made it a lot more difficult for them to 771 00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:20.159 keep taps on him and to know the where he's 772 00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:22.400 going to be at a given time with any offense. 773 00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:27.960 You know. So those you know, adjustments have really swayed 774 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.960 the series. And you know, once you you know, put 775 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:35.000 Jokics in positions where he's going to be able to succeed. 776 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:37.440 He's the best player in the world. He's going to 777 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.360 succeed and he's going to you know, figure out a 778 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:44.960 way to to to uh uh put his impact on 779 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:47.960 the game. So, you know, I think David Adaman has 780 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:52.639 made some really, really really great adjustments in this series 781 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.719 that have turned the series back from the back from 782 00:44:55.880 --> 00:44:56.599 Los Angeles to. 783 00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.239 Denver, tj good stuff today, man, appreciate the time and 784 00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.920 you'd be good and travel safe and well. Chatzoon, no problem. 785 00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:04.800 Appreciate you, my guy. 786 00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.559 Tony Jones covers the NBA for the athletic at t 787 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:10.760 Jones on the NBA is where you find them. 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I should have known. 798 00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.000 I should have known when I left it open for 799 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:46.320 ck there was a potential of getting weird. Spin doctors. Yeah, man, 800 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:49.639 all right, nineties one hit Wonders is where we went 801 00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:51.599 with today? What year was this? 802 00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:56.480 I gotta say ninety three, ninety four ish that check 803 00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:56.840 me on this. 804 00:45:56.960 --> 00:46:01.400 Let's see spin Doctors. What's the name of the song? 805 00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:04.719 Two princes princes, then they had another one little miss 806 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:05.440 camp be wrong. 807 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:08.840 Oh my gosh, only you would have this knowledge. Mom 808 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.159 had the cassette played in the Volvo nineteen ninety one. 809 00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.920 Oh man, I'm off. Okay, that's still pretty good. Uh 810 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:17.639 can we be honest? Horrible band? 811 00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:20.280 Oh yeah, that's why they were one hit wonder fair enough? 812 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.119 Chris Comrodnie live in studio. Hello, Christopher, how are you 813 00:46:23.280 --> 00:46:23.599 good man? 814 00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:23.920 How are you? 815 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.920 I'm good, I'm good. So let's get the Shador Sanders 816 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.599 stuff out of the way. As really the only local 817 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:33.519 media member that has experienced covering Colorado Dion and Shador. 818 00:46:34.360 --> 00:46:36.239 Let me ask you this. Do you think Dion did 819 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.159 him a little bit of a disservice throughout the course 820 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:40.880 of this process, because you hear a lot of like, well, 821 00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:43.800 like his dad, he sandbagged a bunch of interviews, and 822 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:45.960 like his dad, he wanted to choose where he wanted 823 00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:49.679 to play. Dion could have sandbagged every interview possible. He's 824 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.480 the best cornerback potential you've ever seen play. Chador is 825 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.039 just simply not that talent. Do you think he maybe 826 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:56.760 was done a bit of a disservice by his father. 827 00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.599 He was done a disservice by his father and basically 828 00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:05.719 the entire ecosystem of the NFL draft, because if we're 829 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:10.719 being honest, the folks who are tasked with pontificating on 830 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:13.920 such things in the months and years prior ash your 831 00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:16.119 door at the top as a top ten picks. So 832 00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:22.000 my question is, was the lead up to the combine, 833 00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:28.400 the interviews, skipping the combine, opting to maybe throw it 834 00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:31.559 pro day, and then throwing a pro day. Did all 835 00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:34.480 of that stuff suddenly sour team so much to the 836 00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.199 point that it cost him to slip four rounds. 837 00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:38.960 I don't know. 838 00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.199 And to me, like I told one of my bosses, like, 839 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:47.840 beyond the prank call, beyond where he ended up. I 840 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:51.079 think this is a learning lesson for basically everybody who's 841 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.320 involved in stuff like this to take a step back 842 00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:57.519 and figure out what went wrong and why did it 843 00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.480 go wrong because we've never seen this before. I mean, 844 00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:06.079 like the closest analogy we have, honestly is Rogers was 845 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:08.280 it was Aaron sliding when Alex Smith went one and 846 00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.360 still a first rounder, still a first rounder and obviously 847 00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:13.960 went to the ideal spot when a Super Bowl is 848 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:16.199 going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, but 849 00:48:16.679 --> 00:48:20.840 I don't. I can't remember ever having a prospect in 850 00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.760 the most important position in football, let alone sports slide 851 00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:30.480 at the level that Shador Sanders slid to. And I 852 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:33.840 think we will have think pieces. I think we will 853 00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:37.119 have reports coming out in the coming days. I mean 854 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.760 Diana Rossini, who works with me at the Athletic Now 855 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:42.960 reported this week that you know, a lot of it 856 00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:46.360 came down to the interviews, came down to the fact 857 00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:51.760 that he didn't want to participate at the combine. And again, 858 00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.599 my question is going to be for a while now 859 00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:57.760 until we get it answered, and you'll only get an 860 00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:03.000 answered through sources, league sources, through people who will speak 861 00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.719 on condition of anonymity, because a lot of these folks, remember, 862 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:09.639 most people in the world of sports kind of live 863 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:12.800 in semi fear of Deon Sanders. You do not want 864 00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:14.880 to get on the wrong side of Dion because of 865 00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:19.039 the cultural and media sway that he has. But again, 866 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.760 how did this happen? How did this kid go from 867 00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:25.559 being like maybe where the Steelers going to take him 868 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.119 at twenty one as recently as a month ago, to 869 00:49:28.679 --> 00:49:31.000 going in the fifth round to the Browns after they 870 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:35.679 had selected Dylan Gabriel the third round. It's a fascinating 871 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.039 story and I'm really interested to see what comes out 872 00:49:38.039 --> 00:49:38.920 in the coming weeks and months. 873 00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:42.000 Yeah, and your point about the conversation, I mean, there 874 00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:45.840 was a point last year mid season where Vegas had 875 00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.239 pretty good odds for Shador to be a finalist for 876 00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.320 the Heisman Trophy and be the number one overall pick. 877 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:56.039 So it wasn't just people throwing stuff against the wall 878 00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:58.000 the hope it would stick, like you could get odds 879 00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:01.320 on Shoudor going number one mid season last year there 880 00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:03.280 was the Saints at nine, who need a quarterback. To 881 00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:05.800 your point of this Dealers at twenty one. I do 882 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:11.280 often find the chasm between NFL talent evaluators, NBA talent evaluators, 883 00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:15.400 and media talent evaluators interesting because how much of the 884 00:50:15.559 --> 00:50:20.000 media talent evaluating is also draped in I want this 885 00:50:20.119 --> 00:50:22.440 to be a great story, Like we sit down and 886 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.559 watch mel Kuiper lose his mind for three days because 887 00:50:25.599 --> 00:50:28.199 he thought should Or should be the number one overall pick. 888 00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:32.199 Is that mel Kiper really analyzing should Or as a talent? 889 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:35.000 Or is that mel Kuiper the actor on television also 890 00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:37.360 wanting the story. Right, there's a gap between the two. 891 00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.400 You're taught when you're evaluating talent, if you're working for 892 00:50:40.440 --> 00:50:43.199 a team, you're taught to remove emotion. Now, do you 893 00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:46.039 have to analyze everything that surrounds the player? 894 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:46.360 Yes? 895 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:50.719 But can he play simple? Bottom line? But on the 896 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:53.119 media side of things, how much of this talent evaluation 897 00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.079 is draped in the narrative that they want you to 898 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:56.920 click on their stuff and watch their TV show? 899 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.599 Right, Well, it's a business and of its self, and 900 00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:07.519 the sport has owned the off season like unlike any 901 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:11.840 other professional sport. We have really like worldwide because the 902 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.800 international soccer window can get exciting, but the summer transfer window, 903 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.920 as you know, the most important transfer window, is only 904 00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:21.760 like three weeks long, and you don't have you'll have 905 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:24.559 some monumental movement like in bab Beta Real Madrid that 906 00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.639 comes along once and once a blue moon. You can 907 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:31.119 make an argument that people are more tantalized by the 908 00:51:31.199 --> 00:51:33.440 off season and the draft than they are by the 909 00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:37.199 season for a lot of teams, because in the NFL, 910 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:39.000 a lot of teams are bad for a long time 911 00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.000 and all you have to sell them is hope and 912 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:43.559 what did we learn from Ted Lasso? 913 00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:44.800 It kills you? 914 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:46.079 Hope that kills you? 915 00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:50.440 So Porter loved that show? Is that Porter show hated it? 916 00:51:50.599 --> 00:51:56.360 I know. My point is is it is a It 917 00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.000 is an ecosystem in of itself, the NFL draft, and 918 00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:04.159 a lot of people have figured out a cultivated a 919 00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:12.559 way to market themselves as pseudo experts. Selfishly, I'm going 920 00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:15.280 to lean and rock with my guy Dane Brugler, who 921 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:17.320 you've had on the show many times, who knows the 922 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:20.960 stuff because he isn't one of those guys. He is 923 00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.719 kind of the the guy behind the curtains for a 924 00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:27.559 long time. It's like I'll show up in October November, 925 00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:29.480 and I'll and I'll start to give you guys, you know, 926 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:33.239 some feedback on who I think is good. But the 927 00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.960 internet's a fickle place, man, And you can you can 928 00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:45.519 create a fabricated existence for yourself and and project yourself 929 00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:49.159 as an expert when you're really not. And you can 930 00:52:49.239 --> 00:52:51.639 be a fan of things. But unfortunately, in this world, 931 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.360 somebody might find something hyperbolic and be like, oh, this 932 00:52:57.519 --> 00:52:59.719 person said it. Oh, let me check out their online 933 00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:03.440 io on x Oh they're a draft expert. Okay, let's 934 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.880 spin this and let's aggregate it and then send it 935 00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.039 into the universe, and then it takes on a life 936 00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:11.719 of its own. And this happens often, but in the 937 00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:14.719 NFL draft it happens at an alarmingly high rate. 938 00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.159 Porter brought this up, and I think it's spot on. 939 00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:21.639 And let's see Dane had Schador going twenty one. Yep, 940 00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:23.800 the Giants trading back in. But I think as far 941 00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:26.519 as his overall big board, he was like forty three 942 00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:30.079 or something. So Dane actually was closer than most of 943 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.519 the other analysts, certainly the mel Kuipers of the world. 944 00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:38.480 But I don't know if there's another event or anything 945 00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.159 on the sporting calendar that's covered by more liars and 946 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:43.760 charlatans than the NFL draft. No Porter brought it up. 947 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.199 It's one hundred percent correct, because people realize you could 948 00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:51.000 be Joe Schmoe that knows nothing about what you're doing, 949 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:54.360 and you create a mock and it finds its way 950 00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:56.039 into an algorithm. People are going to click on mock 951 00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:59.719 drafts no matter what, and it always makes it hard 952 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:03.960 to understand where the real information is coming from. And honestly, 953 00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.360 you're also getting smoke screens and misdirections from teams. 954 00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:11.400 That's the most undersold part of this. And talk about that, well, 955 00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:14.119 you know you've been in the front office rooms before, right, And. 956 00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:17.719 That's also what makes it complicated, because what you want 957 00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.119 to do when you're in a front office is you 958 00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:24.559 use your media contacts to send out messages via the 959 00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:27.920 media that will throw other teams off your sense and 960 00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.840 will make other teams believe that you're actually looking at 961 00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:33.639 players that you have no desire to select, and you 962 00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:35.639 want to throw media, you know, you want to throw 963 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:40.000 the media messaging out there so teams actually stay away 964 00:54:40.039 --> 00:54:41.719 from the guy that you like or think that you 965 00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:45.039 like somebody that you don't. And therefore it makes our 966 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:48.679 job analyzing this stuff beyond microphones or beyond computers, writing 967 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.559 about it really hard to do. And that's why you 968 00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:54.119 can look at every single mock. Everybody gets it wrong 969 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:57.679 every single year, so it makes it hard to really 970 00:54:57.760 --> 00:54:59.960 understand what's real and what isn't. But you made multi 971 00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.440 trips down to Boulder to cover Colorado and Dion and 972 00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:08.400 Shador and I told this anecdote Monday after the draft 973 00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:12.599 where when we were down well it was Vegas Big 974 00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:15.480 twelve media Day this year is in Dallas. When we 975 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:18.039 were in Vegas for Big twelve Media Day, we're on 976 00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:22.599 radio row. We're interviewing players and coaches, Kenny Dillingham. You know, 977 00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:25.719 you go down the list, and it was a pretty 978 00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:30.559 docile environment. Intel boom. You look over, double doors open. 979 00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:34.679 Six cameras are following Shador and Shiloh and Dion as 980 00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.960 they walk in, and suddenly the circus is in town. 981 00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:41.639 And if you're running a front office, if you're a 982 00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:45.440 general manager, you don't want the circus in town for 983 00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:48.039 somebody you perceived to be as a backup quarterback. Like 984 00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:52.239 all things being equal, unless you're a generational talent, unless 985 00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.719 you're Peyton, unless you're Andrew Luck, and there are no 986 00:55:55.960 --> 00:55:58.880 questions about who you could be as a quarterback, all 987 00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.039 of your variables really need to be in place. And 988 00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:03.440 it seemed like a lot of the variables surrounding Shador 989 00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:05.639 were question marks that were never fully answered. 990 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:18.280 Well, he existed in a biodome of he existed a 991 00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:20.960 biodome great movie, by the way, right, so we could 992 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:26.880 go there. He existed in this reality that was cultivated 993 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:32.039 from the get go, having always been coached by his dad, 994 00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:37.760 Hall of famer, you know, bombastic human being knows that 995 00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.400 like like a plus genius and messaging. But to your point, yes, 996 00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:46.280 like what this was was this was the ultimate reminder 997 00:56:46.679 --> 00:56:51.159 that the NFL has the zerost time for bs. I 998 00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:52.639 wish I could have said it like it would have 999 00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:53.079 been a good one. 1000 00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:54.800 It would have been a good one to land right there. Yeah. 1001 00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:58.159 They just do not suffer fools. And I'm not saying 1002 00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:00.239 Shadoor is a fool. I'm just saying like they do 1003 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:04.280 not have time for the pomp and circumstance, like you 1004 00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:08.639 are expected to get in line and adhere and granted there. 1005 00:57:08.719 --> 00:57:11.039 You know, there have been some characters over the years, 1006 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:15.079 but like think about recently, like who who came into 1007 00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:18.480 the league with a lot of kind of fanfare but 1008 00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.119 a lot of questions Like Johnny manziineal is a great one, 1009 00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:25.079 perfect one? Yeah, yep, And you know, you know, different 1010 00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:30.320 set of circumstances, different set of issues. But like what 1011 00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.599 would be really fascinating would be go into a multiverse 1012 00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:36.960 and be like if Shador doesn't play for Dion, if 1013 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:41.760 Shador goes to play at Oregon State, or does he 1014 00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:45.119 go play at you know, Texas Tech or a different school. 1015 00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:49.400 Does this conversation change because he's a he is a 1016 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.039 You can't say he's not a good quarterback. He's a 1017 00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:55.679 good quarterback. But the line of delineation that I found 1018 00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:58.800 fascinating after his fall is so many people were like, 1019 00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:02.760 you shouldn't be surprised by Dion Sanders slide, or should 1020 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:03.360 or Sanders slide? 1021 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:04.000 Look at the tape. 1022 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.440 If that's the argument, then why were we projecting him 1023 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.159 as a first round pick all along. I understand that 1024 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:12.920 he had a circumstance where he played for his dad, 1025 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:16.599 who obviously prioritized the offense around him to make him 1026 00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:19.480 look good, but they failed to recruit offensive lineman two 1027 00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:21.400 years in a row. He was running for his life. 1028 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.519 He was the most sacked quarterback in college football the 1029 00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:26.079 last two years. He held the ball way too long, 1030 00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:30.079 but he could make some throws. I'm absolutely one hundred 1031 00:58:30.079 --> 00:58:33.320 percent confident by saying this, like, if should or gets 1032 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:36.559 a shot, like he will not look terrible. There's a 1033 00:58:36.679 --> 00:58:39.599 chance he might not pan out, but he's not going 1034 00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:41.840 to be the least prepared quarterback in the history of 1035 00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:45.960 the NFL. But he was brought in in a system 1036 00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.440 that catered to his every need both on the field 1037 00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:50.679 and off the field. When I was at Colorado's pro 1038 00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:56.239 day last year or fall camp media day, sorry, Dion 1039 00:58:56.360 --> 00:58:59.039 spoke and then the other two people that got on 1040 00:58:59.079 --> 00:58:59.760 the dais were. 1041 00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:02.039 Who Travis and not Travis? 1042 00:59:02.119 --> 00:59:05.639 Oh? Wow? Shador and Shiloh Oh come on, jeez, that 1043 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.880 doesn't surprise you. I mean, and again going back to 1044 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:11.360 the biodome, the ecosystem. I've used that word a lot today. 1045 00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:14.880 It's fun when you when you're brought up this way 1046 00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:19.280 in like kind of just the the prince who was promised. 1047 00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.280 Once you get to the NFL, all that stuff goes 1048 00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:24.760 out the window. And one thing that I'm really interested 1049 00:59:24.800 --> 00:59:28.079 in is like Deon knows this. He lived that life, 1050 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:30.480 but he didn't lift that life at the level list 1051 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.400 Shador's gonna have to because he's playing quarterback, right, which 1052 00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:37.000 is a position that takes on a life of its own. 1053 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:41.039 It's so much more pressure than cornerback. Dion could could 1054 00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:43.800 you know, go one on one with Chris Carter or 1055 00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:49.119 Andre Risen or Jerry Rice. But like Shador, if he's 1056 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:50.559 going to get a shot, like he's gonna have to 1057 00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:53.360 go up against the Baltimore Ravens defense, and the Steelers 1058 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:57.239 defense by himself. This is a totally different ballgame. I 1059 00:59:57.320 --> 00:59:59.880 don't think we're ever going to see something like this again, 1060 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:04.039 which is why I think the draft coverage was so intense. 1061 01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:07.400 It was burning white hot on this issue. But it 1062 01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:11.159 was very tiresome and it and it turned into I 1063 01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:13.559 guess you could say good TV for for the folks 1064 01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:16.079 at NFL Network in ESPN because everybody was waiting at 1065 01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:19.360 baited breath for where'shi door gonna go? But you can 1066 01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:22.440 make an argument that the entire weekend was hijacked by this. 1067 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:22.679 Well. 1068 01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.800 Andrew Marshawn from your outlet from the Athletic wrote a 1069 01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:28.840 great piece on the Melo Kuiper meltdown because I'll be honest, 1070 01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.400 watching Melo meltdown was fun. It was good television. I mean, 1071 01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.320 even though it did it kind of distracted from what 1072 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:38.199 we were actually doing. Good Bad Moon Rising pull the 1073 01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.920 original Bad Moon Rising Andre Rising? 1074 01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:41.519 Uh? 1075 01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:43.880 Was he the one who was a left eye who 1076 01:00:43.920 --> 01:00:44.719 burned the house down? 1077 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:45.519 Yea rest and peace? 1078 01:00:45.599 --> 01:00:48.719 Rest in peace, Left Eye? Best poly Shor movie. 1079 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.880 Oh I'm gonna I'm gonna zag on you. You're not 1080 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:54.880 gonna be ready for this. I'm not in Sino Man. 1081 01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:57.360 In Sino Man, is I'm gonna go Son in law? 1082 01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.199 Sun in Law is his best leading role in the 1083 01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:04.159 army now underrated. Okay, but if I want to watch 1084 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.320 one polyshore movie, it's going to be in Sino Man. 1085 01:01:07.639 --> 01:01:13.400 Okay, here's the question. Chris Camraddie's favorite polyshore movie texted 1086 01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:15.480 in right now to eight seven seven three five three 1087 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:18.039 zero seven hundred, and you will win one round of 1088 01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:22.280 golf to Davis Park, the best polyshore movie according to Ck. 1089 01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.159 Because that's what we do on the show eight seven 1090 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.559 seven three five three zero seven hundred. It is the 1091 01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:30.599 festival of a tease. Every day this spring we are 1092 01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.079 giving away one round of golf to the best courses 1093 01:01:33.119 --> 01:01:35.400 in the state. Listen to The Down and Dirty with 1094 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.960 Scott Mitchell, The Sean O'Connell Show, and then this little 1095 01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:41.119 old radio show. The drive was Spence checkets from two 1096 01:01:41.159 --> 01:01:43.320 to six for your chance to win each day from 1097 01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:46.400 ESPN seven hundred the Utah Golf Association. All right, a 1098 01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:49.519 couple more draft things before you catch a break. Is 1099 01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:54.280 it an indictment at all that Caleb Lohner was the 1100 01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.159 only you drafted and no BYU players are drafted or 1101 01:01:57.280 --> 01:01:59.599 is this just a moment in time that it's a 1102 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:00.000 great quest? 1103 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:02.159 And I was talking with this about this with Porter 1104 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:04.719 while you were on your last segment. What are the 1105 01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:08.360 odds that the only dude between both schools, both rivals, 1106 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:11.360 who is drafted is a former basketball player that played 1107 01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:12.960 basketball at both of those schools. 1108 01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:13.239 Yeah. 1109 01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:17.400 I mean, I'm gonna go the logical route and say 1110 01:02:17.480 --> 01:02:20.239 it's lightning in a bottle. But you're looking at back 1111 01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:23.599 to back years now where Utah didn't have much NFL talent. 1112 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:29.360 BYU's different because a lot of their guys either transferred 1113 01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:31.679 in the portal or stayed. I mean most of their 1114 01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:35.480 guys stayed, honestly, But I don't know, like off the 1115 01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:40.159 top of my head, who would have gone really all 1116 01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:41.920 that much higher than Caleb even at. 1117 01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:44.840 BYU, Like I thought Junior would be drafted. 1118 01:02:44.679 --> 01:02:48.000 Tifuna, Yeah, yeah, I mean he he came. It all 1119 01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:50.079 depends on who you play with, man. Junior played with 1120 01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:52.960 a lot better talent his early years at the U 1121 01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:55.639 than his later years. And when you play with better players, 1122 01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:58.079 they're going you're going to look better because they're going 1123 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:02.360 to make you look better. Yeah. I don't know if 1124 01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.719 if Chase would have been I mean he probably would 1125 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:07.119 have maybe six to seven rounds, six seventh round. But like, 1126 01:03:07.639 --> 01:03:09.599 other than that, it's a really fascinating team to if 1127 01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:11.480 you really think about it, because like they were so good, 1128 01:03:11.639 --> 01:03:15.119 but they don't have because the Eten kid didn't get drafted. 1129 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:15.599 No he didn't. 1130 01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:19.480 So yeah, it's I think, i'll say lightning in a 1131 01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:22.920 bottle moment. But for Utah, there was a time where 1132 01:03:22.960 --> 01:03:26.199 it was like every year you're kind of relied upon 1133 01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:29.039 to have a top three round pick. Now next year 1134 01:03:29.079 --> 01:03:31.280 it'll be different because Spencer Fano is likely a top 1135 01:03:31.320 --> 01:03:35.960 ten pick. But there was a time during Utah's you 1136 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:39.440 know PAC twelve run, before the demise of the conference, 1137 01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:42.119 where you were looking at four or five guys going 1138 01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.199 from you know, rounds two to six every single year. 1139 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:47.280 Yeah, a lot of them landed. I thought Baddy would 1140 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:49.320 be drafted. I thought Tyler Batty was gonna get drafted. 1141 01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:52.039 A lot of them landed on their feet. Conra O'Toole 1142 01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:55.719 got one of the richest like undrafted deals with Seattle. 1143 01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.119 I think he got like three hundred K guaranteed with 1144 01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:02.119 a signing bonus. But yeah, it's just always interested to consider, 1145 01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:04.760 I guess we should shout out Jalen Royals, who was 1146 01:04:04.800 --> 01:04:07.320 draft from the fourth round by the Chiefs. Fano is 1147 01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:09.199 a top ten pick. Is that what we're hearing? 1148 01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:11.239 My guy Dan Brugler has him as a top ten. 1149 01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:13.920 Really okay, very nice? Well, hopefully it is just a 1150 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.199 moment in time. All right, we'll catch a quick break. 1151 01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:18.800 Cek is live in studio for another big segment. We 1152 01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:20.599 also are going to bring in Dave Fox today, who 1153 01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:22.840 has two Pelotons and two Emmys. Do you have a 1154 01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:24.440 peloton or an Emmy? Do you have either? 1155 01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:27.360 I definitely don't have an Emmy. I have an old 1156 01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:32.679 used exercise bike hand me down from Aaron Falk. 1157 01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.320 You have a hand me down exercise buck from Falk. 1158 01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:39.159 Oh that rules erin if you're listening. Get back about 1159 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:42.719 Tea Times coming up this weekend in honor of Andre 1160 01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.519 bad Moon Rising and of course Cameron Rising. By the way, 1161 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:50.039 have you heard anything about our guy Cam Last thing 1162 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:51.760 I heard he was out of Utah Royals game. 1163 01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:56.400 It is Mike on but yeah, that was the last 1164 01:04:56.440 --> 01:04:58.960 time I saw Cam publicly? Was I think he went 1165 01:04:59.079 --> 01:05:02.719 with a a former Utah and BYU players porter. 1166 01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:04.760 Have you heard anything about the future of one young 1167 01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:05.559 Cameron Rising. 1168 01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:08.960 No, I think that's kind of the question right now. 1169 01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:12.599 Last I just to be clear, last I talked to 1170 01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:17.159 Cam was in January, so at that point he wasn't 1171 01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:21.280 necessarily training for an NFL team, So I don't necessarily 1172 01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.880 know what the next move is for one Cam Rising. 1173 01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:27.119 I honestly thought he'd make like three hundred grand and 1174 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:29.719 go play quarterback for like Sacramento State or something. 1175 01:05:29.840 --> 01:05:31.480 Well, they just got Jayden Rashada. 1176 01:05:31.840 --> 01:05:34.000 It was just a hypothetical. I'm just saying, not that 1177 01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:36.800 school per se. But didn't you think that maybe you 1178 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:38.320 go play another year of college football? 1179 01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:41.920 Maybe? But man, I mean we've talked about the sad nauseam, 1180 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:45.400 but the amount of serious injury back to back to back, 1181 01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:47.760 it was a lot. Yeah, and I would imagine that 1182 01:05:48.239 --> 01:05:51.840 the mental component is as hard, if not harder, than 1183 01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:52.559 the physical part. 1184 01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:55.400 At this point. Do you think there was any conversation 1185 01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:57.840 at all about him coming back to Utah? 1186 01:05:58.079 --> 01:05:58.679 I guess would be. 1187 01:05:58.760 --> 01:05:58.800 No. 1188 01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.519 It felt like it was just one of those things like, hey, 1189 01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:03.119 this has been great, give you a hug, go on 1190 01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:04.000 your way, right. 1191 01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:06.320 Well, there's still guaranteed that Cam wants to still play, 1192 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:08.559 That's what I mean. No, for sure, Yeah, I mean 1193 01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:11.960 my guess would I mean, I don't know. I don't 1194 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:15.159 even want to guess. But we have to prepare for 1195 01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.119 and of the eventuality that football will not work out 1196 01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:21.480 for a lot of people. And you know, Cam reached 1197 01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:25.119 some incredible heights, but like I said, to go through 1198 01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:27.639 the amount of injuries that he'd went through in his career, 1199 01:06:27.920 --> 01:06:29.280 just a Utah alone is a lot. 1200 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:35.199 Do you think the time of college football college basketball 1201 01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:41.039 programs building their programs with athletes and players that we 1202 01:06:41.079 --> 01:06:42.960 all get to know over the course of two, three, 1203 01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:45.599 four five years is just completely done. Because when you 1204 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:48.159 look at the history, well, and this isn't just a 1205 01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:50.639 Utah thing, but if we're you're going to use our 1206 01:06:50.679 --> 01:06:52.559 local example as the home of the you it's family 1207 01:06:52.599 --> 01:06:56.480 on three the basketball program, you know, the teams that 1208 01:06:56.559 --> 01:07:01.119 were the best and the teams that everyone remembers, Van Horn, 1209 01:07:01.320 --> 01:07:05.039 britt Andre three four year guys. The best football teams 1210 01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:08.039 we had were guys that stayed here two three four years. 1211 01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:09.079 They were upper classmen. 1212 01:07:09.719 --> 01:07:09.880 Uh. 1213 01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:12.880 And you know, it's not just success, but it's also 1214 01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:16.719 this thing in the community where hey, Britain's a senior 1215 01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.880 or Cameron's cam raising is like, Okay, they're coming back. 1216 01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:21.280 Do you think those days are over? 1217 01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:26.199 Nor your guy at Yukon's coming back for a senior year? 1218 01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:28.800 That yeah, I mean the guy who was a lottery 1219 01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:31.920 pick projection just a couple of years ago. I guess 1220 01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:33.079 he likes Dan Hurley a lot. 1221 01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:36.079 Also getting paid a little money, so played. 1222 01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:37.599 A little getting paid a little money. I mean, one 1223 01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:39.159 thing I will say about in a little bit of 1224 01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:41.719 a caveat on. You know the the PAC twelve title 1225 01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:43.360 teams is like a lot of those teams were transfers. 1226 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:44.199 Cam was a transfer. 1227 01:07:44.239 --> 01:07:44.559 S J. 1228 01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:48.119 Quinn Jackson was a transfer. Yeah, a lot of guys 1229 01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:50.679 who were part of that team didn't necessarily start out 1230 01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:55.920 as utes. I think college basketball still has a chance 1231 01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:59.599 because the roster size is small enough you can afford 1232 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.159 to pay a decent amount of ni OL money to 1233 01:08:03.760 --> 01:08:06.599 players who want to stay and make money rather than 1234 01:08:06.719 --> 01:08:09.599 risking rolling the dice and going to the NBA. And 1235 01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:12.519 depending on where you go to school, the house settlement 1236 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:16.800 could benefit basketball players like pretty well yeah, I mean 1237 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.239 like I would imagine the house settlement will help Yukon 1238 01:08:19.359 --> 01:08:21.439 basketball more than it will UCUN football. 1239 01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:24.479 Well, and Richie Saunders announces he's coming back, and the 1240 01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:28.960 reports are that's a seven figure deal. How about BYU basketball, 1241 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:32.600 if all the reports are true, paying between thirteen and 1242 01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:34.840 fifteen million dollars for their roster next year. 1243 01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:37.600 Is that true? Well, I mean I was told, I 1244 01:08:37.680 --> 01:08:40.479 was told, I was told that BYU doesn't prioritize. 1245 01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:43.720 Well, well, they also out love, and out develop and 1246 01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:47.279 outserve everybody. Okay, yes, indeed we know all of that. 1247 01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:49.640 But Jeff Goodman is the one. The report of the 1248 01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:52.680 Baylor kid is getting three mil aj deband to seven 1249 01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:55.640 mil for five months of basketball. That's ten. Richie gets 1250 01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:59.680 seven figures. There's stills on campus shout out, you got 1251 01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:01.720 to go. You gotta go down to campus. You gotta 1252 01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:05.680 get some some swigs with aj I'll go. I'll crush 1253 01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:09.439 some Uh what what's the cookie company? Crumble, Crumble or chip? 1254 01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:09.960 I'll crush. 1255 01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:12.520 It's not a bad idea, it's a remote. 1256 01:09:12.560 --> 01:09:14.960 It's an excellent idea. I wish I would have thought 1257 01:09:14.960 --> 01:09:17.039 of it. Zach Wilson bought a bunch of chips, I 1258 01:09:17.079 --> 01:09:19.640 think with his New York Jets money. But yes, I 1259 01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:23.279 mean all of the lovely ancillary BYU. We love everybody, 1260 01:09:23.319 --> 01:09:25.880 out serve everybody. Things aside, if you just do the 1261 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:29.199 math based off the reports thirteen to fifteen minutes, it makes. 1262 01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:31.279 Sense just because it's so it's so front loaded or 1263 01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:34.119 you know, top loaded, with with AJ getting that much money, 1264 01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:38.319 you're probably never gonna pay that again to another, you know, 1265 01:09:38.760 --> 01:09:41.560 number one crew in the country unless your guy, Kevin 1266 01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:44.720 k why my guy, my guy, unless he manages to 1267 01:09:45.119 --> 01:09:48.920 strike gold twice and keeps this thing rolling. But I mean, 1268 01:09:49.479 --> 01:09:51.840 even if you take AJ out of the equation, then 1269 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:54.920 you're saying you're paying seven to eight million dollars for 1270 01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:57.359 the rest of the roster. That still makes sense and 1271 01:09:57.560 --> 01:10:00.079 and and probably is necessary in a conference like the 1272 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:00.520 Big twelve. 1273 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:02.960 See, that's the thing. And that's why I don't get 1274 01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:06.920 the Steve Bannon muddy the waters, flood the zone with 1275 01:10:07.079 --> 01:10:10.319 misinformation and then the deflection about what's really going on. 1276 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:13.760 I don't understand why the culture just can't embrace and 1277 01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:15.960 be honest and authentic about what's really happening. And the 1278 01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:17.680 reason I don't get it is that it's not a 1279 01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:20.239 bad thing. To your point, if you want to keep up, 1280 01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:22.600 it's what you have to do like Utah should be 1281 01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:25.800 so lucky to be paying this roster thirteen to fifteen mil. 1282 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:28.239 And they're good, Like BYU is going to be a 1283 01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:30.439 top five team next year, and it's because they have 1284 01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:33.359 deep pockets. It's not because they outlove everybody. Just stop 1285 01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:34.239 saying things like that. 1286 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:37.880 Is BYU a final fourteen? It could be is is 1287 01:10:38.119 --> 01:10:40.560 I don't I'm coming in. I'm coming on the drive 1288 01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:44.119 with zero aj debonsa tape? Are you are you? Is? 1289 01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:44.239 Like? 1290 01:10:44.560 --> 01:10:47.319 Is he the surefire number one the following year? 1291 01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:47.960 He's awesome? 1292 01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:48.079 Like? 1293 01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:50.600 Is he is he as guaranteed the number one pick 1294 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:53.159 in the twenty sixth draft, as Cooper Flag was for 1295 01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:53.840 the twenty five. 1296 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:56.000 No, because there's another kid in that draft that's thought 1297 01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:58.399 to be on his level. Okay, but everything I've seen 1298 01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.960 on tape, because you know me, grind, grind on the tape. 1299 01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:03.560 Give me, give me your cump, give me your spence check. 1300 01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:07.000 He's He's a Lebron type wing. He's a Durant type wing. 1301 01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:09.039 He is a Kawhi type wing. He is all of 1302 01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:10.840 six 't eighty six y nine. He's got a big 1303 01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:13.520 body and even at his age, he doesn't need to 1304 01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:16.479 fill out much. I mean usually when we see seventeen 1305 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:18.680 eighteen year old great players, it's like they got to 1306 01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:21.239 put on ten to fifteen pounds. Aj is big, he's strong, 1307 01:11:21.760 --> 01:11:23.760 he can handle it, he can shoot it. He finishes 1308 01:11:23.880 --> 01:11:25.920 on the break, he finishes with force, and he guards 1309 01:11:25.920 --> 01:11:28.039 three or four positions. He's awesome. Can he shoot He 1310 01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:30.600 can shoot it. There's nothing he can't do. The only 1311 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:33.000 thing he has to improve on is incrementally on everything 1312 01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:35.760 that he he's already awesome at, and then learn how 1313 01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.279 to play against men in the NBA. But no, he's 1314 01:11:38.319 --> 01:11:40.920 surefire like BYU fans are gonna love him. He's awesome, 1315 01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:41.880 He's all that. 1316 01:11:42.439 --> 01:11:44.760 So you think he'll be able to handle the pressure 1317 01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:46.560 of playing Utah twice a year? 1318 01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:49.079 Fair question? I mean I think the pressure of the 1319 01:11:49.159 --> 01:11:51.119 Huntsman Center might get to him. But no, I mean 1320 01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:54.000 it's he's worth every penny they're paying him. I just 1321 01:11:54.079 --> 01:11:57.239 don't understand why people can't say it out loud, like 1322 01:11:57.319 --> 01:11:59.640 what are you hiding? What are you trying to deflect from? 1323 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:02.159 Is it like an embarrassment, like they don't want to 1324 01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:04.399 admit that they're outbidding everybody. I just don't understand the 1325 01:12:04.520 --> 01:12:05.079 dynamic at all. 1326 01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:06.840 I think you. I don't know if it's an embarrassment. 1327 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:10.479 I just think you lean in long enough to an 1328 01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:13.720 approach to things that maybe you feel like you're portraying 1329 01:12:13.760 --> 01:12:15.880 all the legwork that you've done up until this point. 1330 01:12:15.960 --> 01:12:20.640 But I agree wholeheartedly. I mean Kirk Bowles, who is 1331 01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:24.880 a Austin based calumnist who's covered University of Texas for 1332 01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:26.720 a long time. He is not the Houston Chronicle. He 1333 01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:31.079 reported today from several sources that he anticipates Texas spending 1334 01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:33.920 as much as forty million dollars on their football team 1335 01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:34.279 this year. 1336 01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:37.920 And it's what you gotta do, yep, you know. And 1337 01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:42.159 all of the pearl clutching right about not wanting to 1338 01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:44.479 admit this is what's happening. You should lean into it. 1339 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:47.079 One caveat that I think is important to make, and 1340 01:12:47.199 --> 01:12:51.119 maybe this is the sensitivities of the culture of Brigham Young, 1341 01:12:52.439 --> 01:12:55.279 is that maybe there's an idea that the church up 1342 01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:57.560 here on South Templar whatever is writing the checks, and 1343 01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:01.000 we should be very clear that's not happen. Right. These 1344 01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:04.880 are Crimson or Royal Blue or whatever the current nil 1345 01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:08.640 stuff is down there. These are wealthy donors that donate 1346 01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:10.800 to the collective that are paying the bills. The checks 1347 01:13:10.840 --> 01:13:12.840 aren't coming from the church. Maybe that's what people are 1348 01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:13.479 sensitive about. 1349 01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:19.439 Yeah, I don't know. I guess any school, not Utah, 1350 01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:23.000 any school would be lucky to have that amount of 1351 01:13:23.079 --> 01:13:26.199 money at their disposal to build a basketball program, and 1352 01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:27.840 a competitive one at that. 1353 01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:31.079 Is b YU currently paying more for their basketball team 1354 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.039 than RSL is paying for their soccer team. 1355 01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:39.760 Are we counting transfer fees? Yes, ooh, probably that's wild 1356 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:40.279 to consider. 1357 01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:43.520 I wanted to get this because we talked about it 1358 01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:45.720 off air, one more football thing before we kind of 1359 01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:49.000 move on, because one of the conversations that you hear 1360 01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:54.680 post draft are NFL gms and executives turned off at 1361 01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:57.880 the way Shaudor handled the process. And there simply is 1362 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:02.479 no other league or any other that has this. Kissed 1363 01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:05.840 the ring, protect the shield field kind of like you know, 1364 01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.199 quite like football. Would you agree with that, like the 1365 01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:11.560 NFL protect the shield, kiss the ring. There is this 1366 01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:15.359 like cultish feel around football, and if you don't handle yourself, well, 1367 01:14:15.439 --> 01:14:18.479 nobody's bigger than the shield in the NFL, like nobody is. 1368 01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:23.880 Well, yeah, and there's a reason why it took and 1369 01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:26.760 this is a very dark turn, but it's the reality. 1370 01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:29.319 If there's a reason why it took so many tragedies 1371 01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:33.000 in the world of CTE, why it took a movie 1372 01:14:33.159 --> 01:14:37.560 like Concussion, Why it took something as severe as deaths 1373 01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:41.399 of former former players for anybody to even remotely challenge 1374 01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:43.760 the league. Right, And there's lots of guys who are 1375 01:14:43.800 --> 01:14:46.760 still afraid to talk about it because they're afraid of 1376 01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:51.000 being shunned or being excommunicated, or being viewed as the 1377 01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:54.920 type of person that doesn't respect or you know, have 1378 01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:59.279 this devout loyalty to the quote unquote shield. It's it's ridiculous. 1379 01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:03.199 What is it about football that breeds the religious man? 1380 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:04.960 We don't have enough time for that. 1381 01:15:05.000 --> 01:15:09.000 Oh we do, we do. But there's something different even 1382 01:15:09.039 --> 01:15:10.359 about fandom. 1383 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:12.359 Man, And it's man in it's man in the arena. 1384 01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:15.720 It is our modern day Gladiator. And I'm and I'm 1385 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:18.279 throwing out all the cliche bs. This is not stuff 1386 01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:20.600 I believe, but this is stuff that some people believe. 1387 01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:26.600 Most of it is living vicariously through athletes and people 1388 01:15:26.720 --> 01:15:31.119 that they'll we know will never be able to be 1389 01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:34.520 fast enough or strong enough, or good enough or talented enough. 1390 01:15:35.359 --> 01:15:39.159 And it's a great question because you can make an 1391 01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:43.439 argument that it's leveled up significantly even in the last 1392 01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:47.079 like twenty five years. I don't, I'm sure. And this 1393 01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:50.039 comes along with the advent of the Internet and social 1394 01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:54.640 media and the explosion of media rights and basically being 1395 01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:56.720 able to watch every game. But why do you have 1396 01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:01.359 to spend five hundred dollars on NFL network red zone? 1397 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:02.039 Red zone? Yeah? 1398 01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:04.279 Like, and people pay it like it's not even a 1399 01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:06.920 second thought. For sure. I gotta watch my Jack, I 1400 01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:09.399 gotta watch the Jaguars, I gotta watch the Carolina Panthers. 1401 01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:09.640 Yeah. 1402 01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:10.600 Yeah. 1403 01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:15.159 There's something even about fandom where you see people visit 1404 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:18.880 their favorite NFL arena for the first time and openly weep, 1405 01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:21.319 or go to the Rose Bowl for the first time 1406 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:24.479 and openly cry. And then there's the whole media race 1407 01:16:24.560 --> 01:16:27.239 to prove who's the horniest for football when fall comes, 1408 01:16:27.319 --> 01:16:28.000 which is just like. 1409 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:31.880 It'sooky, man, it is it is. It is odd. Yeah, 1410 01:16:31.920 --> 01:16:33.960 I mean that sounds like a story I should explore that. 1411 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:37.279 Our football guys is uncomfortable. Yeah, you're right in there. 1412 01:16:37.479 --> 01:16:38.199 I was just saying it's me. 1413 01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:41.159 Oh, I know, I'm most ready for Porter. 1414 01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:43.079 Goes to Jerry World and he's just like ready to 1415 01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:43.800 take out a s. 1416 01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:46.840 Orders a card carrying member of the Church of Football 1417 01:16:46.920 --> 01:16:49.800 on Saturdays and Sundays. And look, I love football. I've 1418 01:16:49.800 --> 01:16:52.560 always my whole life, I've loved football. But whenever anything 1419 01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:54.920 starts to feel coltish, I tend to go the other way. 1420 01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:56.880 I'm like, Okay, that's a little weird because still at 1421 01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:58.800 the end of the day, we are talking about children's 1422 01:16:58.840 --> 01:17:02.159 game in college played by mostly children. Yeah, that is 1423 01:17:02.720 --> 01:17:06.640 consumed by people that make it their entire identity, and 1424 01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:09.880 when the season ends, it's like they're lost. They're wandering 1425 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:11.159 in this abyss. They don't know what to do. 1426 01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:14.439 Yeah, little story teas for you, which has been a while. 1427 01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:16.960 What finally because you don't tweet them out anymore. 1428 01:17:17.920 --> 01:17:20.359 I spent a day with Dan Mullen in Vegas last 1429 01:17:20.399 --> 01:17:23.880 week nice and we talked about this, okay, and what 1430 01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:25.560 we're going to talk about it more next week after 1431 01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:26.920 the piece comes out. I think its supposed to come 1432 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:31.680 out on Monday. But Dan was was very transparent and 1433 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:37.119 honest about the grind and the drain of the reality 1434 01:17:37.159 --> 01:17:41.439 of football and college football and the sec and how 1435 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.800 beneficial it was for him to be away from it 1436 01:17:45.039 --> 01:17:48.319 and enjoy it. Like I mean, obviously, if you're good 1437 01:17:48.359 --> 01:17:50.920 at TV, it's fun. Dan was good at TV. He 1438 01:17:51.039 --> 01:17:53.000 was Yeah, and he probably could have been on ESPN 1439 01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:55.159 for another twenty years and been good. He told me 1440 01:17:55.239 --> 01:17:58.319 that as much when I was in Vegas. But it 1441 01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:02.039 is fascinating to get the perspective from guys who get 1442 01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:04.279 a break from it and then get back into it 1443 01:18:04.880 --> 01:18:09.399 because they're they're basically challenging themselves again again to try 1444 01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:11.920 to not let what happened the first time happen again. 1445 01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:15.720 I'm interested to hear his thoughts and read what you 1446 01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:19.279 have to say, because nobody can live up to the 1447 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:21.960 pressure of being a deity. If you're a football player 1448 01:18:22.000 --> 01:18:24.800 and a football coach and these fans in your community 1449 01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.199 treat you like you like you walk on water, that 1450 01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:29.039 has to be exhausting to deal with day in and 1451 01:18:29.119 --> 01:18:29.439 day out. 1452 01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:34.600 Yeah, I think Dan Dan had a quote where he 1453 01:18:34.760 --> 01:18:37.680 was like, in the sec if you win, people will 1454 01:18:37.720 --> 01:18:40.600 be eh, good job, But if you lose, it's like 1455 01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:42.479 you walked in the front door and kick their dog. 1456 01:18:43.159 --> 01:18:46.880 For sure. For sure, you know there's there's a little 1457 01:18:46.920 --> 01:18:49.760 bit of that with what happened with Utah football year ago. 1458 01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.600 You know, coach Waite has spoiled this community so much 1459 01:18:53.680 --> 01:18:54.640 the one down year, I. 1460 01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:58.760 Mean, victim of your own circumstances. Success, Yeah, and you'd 1461 01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:01.000 rather take that tense times out of ten, because if 1462 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:02.439 you don't have success, you don't have the job in 1463 01:19:02.479 --> 01:19:06.680 the first place anymore, for sure. But perspective is important, man. 1464 01:19:07.119 --> 01:19:10.760 It's important in fandom, it's important in everyday life. And 1465 01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:14.079 I want to believe people are smart enough to understand 1466 01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:18.960 where fandom fits and how a potential kid in the 1467 01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:22.319 transfer portal may or may not affect a season, or 1468 01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:25.000 how you know, a recruit who has Utah on their 1469 01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:28.359 top five may or may not affect the longevity of 1470 01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:32.119 the program. But I don't know, man, this is a 1471 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:34.439 reality check episode, if we really I mean, that's what 1472 01:19:34.479 --> 01:19:34.960 we got to do. 1473 01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:35.479 For sure. 1474 01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:37.640 We got to get we got to get Spencer Hall on, 1475 01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:40.359 we got to get some sports psychologists on, and we 1476 01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:42.239 really got to get into the nitty gritty well. 1477 01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:46.840 And the other interesting dynamic is, just like other religious elements, 1478 01:19:47.239 --> 01:19:49.640 the more you can convince people that what you are 1479 01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:53.479 selling them is paramount to their very existence, the quicker 1480 01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:55.319 they're going to pull out their checkbook and say where 1481 01:19:55.359 --> 01:19:59.079 do I sign? And that's the lifeblood of college football programs. 1482 01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:02.720 The donors, your season ticket holders, people in your community 1483 01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:06.880 that preach at the Oak Duke. Calm down. My dog 1484 01:20:07.000 --> 01:20:10.399 has a humping habit which we're working on. If you 1485 01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:12.720 want to see my dog hump Chris on YouTube, go 1486 01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:13.439 ahead and sign on. 1487 01:20:13.720 --> 01:20:15.640 Let's get to ten. Let's get to ten viewers. 1488 01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:19.399 But the more you can convince people that the altar 1489 01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:23.000 with which they are worshiping is actually a real thing 1490 01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:25.439 that benefits their life, the more that they're going to donate, 1491 01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:27.159 the more money you have, and therefore the more you 1492 01:20:27.159 --> 01:20:27.680 can keep up. 1493 01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:33.119 And in a way, the present day model of college 1494 01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:37.720 athletics benefits universities at that level way more than it 1495 01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:40.520 ever has. Sure, yeah, because you can go into these 1496 01:20:40.600 --> 01:20:43.920 meetings with boosters and folks that potentially can get out 1497 01:20:43.920 --> 01:20:46.560 their checkbook and be like, you can make a difference, right, 1498 01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:49.439 you can help us land so on and so forth. 1499 01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:52.560 And if we get this guy, our fortunes are changed forever, 1500 01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:53.159 and you. 1501 01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:55.520 Will be known as the person that helped us do this, 1502 01:20:55.920 --> 01:20:57.760 and therefore you will be a member in the community 1503 01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:01.119 where other community members look at you as the the 1504 01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:04.720 shining bright north Star. Yeah, and that that that creates 1505 01:21:04.760 --> 01:21:07.760 an identity that people the crave. You want to be 1506 01:21:07.920 --> 01:21:10.119 the season ticket older, the booster that wrote the check 1507 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:12.159 that had led Devin dan Pier to sign here. Then 1508 01:21:12.199 --> 01:21:14.720 suddenly you're a hero amongst your community that is worshiping 1509 01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:17.439 at the altar of Utah football. But no other sport 1510 01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:22.119 has this. Maybe European soccer, but no other sport really 1511 01:21:22.199 --> 01:21:25.199 has this feel where people would It feels like they 1512 01:21:25.239 --> 01:21:26.439 would dive for the team they cheer for. 1513 01:21:26.560 --> 01:21:30.079 Oh it's yeah, soccer for sure, not just soccer worldwide. 1514 01:21:30.399 --> 01:21:34.119 Good good segue Oka, right, last few minutes we have here. 1515 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:36.039 So wait, did you get Did you go to the game? 1516 01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:39.319 Oh, the vibes were high. So I was San Diego. 1517 01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:41.680 Tell me about because they played at San Diego State. 1518 01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:43.000 Stadium, San Diego State Stadium. 1519 01:21:43.119 --> 01:21:45.239 How it like? Did it look Okay? It did? 1520 01:21:45.359 --> 01:21:47.199 It looked better than I was expecting it look at 1521 01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:49.880 San Diego. So it's gorgeous no matter what. But mountains 1522 01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:52.199 in the backdrop are beautiful. I don't know that that's 1523 01:21:52.279 --> 01:21:56.319 sustainable long term, but you know, I guess according to 1524 01:21:56.359 --> 01:21:58.479 what I was told the turf takes a lot of 1525 01:21:58.800 --> 01:22:00.960 abuse and beating through out the course of the year, 1526 01:22:01.079 --> 01:22:04.359 but the conditions look great. The crowd was pretty good. Yeah, 1527 01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:06.960 because it was a football stadium, they were kind of scattered, 1528 01:22:07.000 --> 01:22:10.479 but I would say all in there was probably eighteen 1529 01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:12.600 nineteen thousand people there or out of the course of 1530 01:22:12.640 --> 01:22:16.000 the stadium. But the lads get all three diego with 1531 01:22:16.039 --> 01:22:19.199 the brace your guy. We saw our guy, big Willie 1532 01:22:19.239 --> 01:22:22.399 Goles come on as a sub, sat next to Johnny 1533 01:22:22.479 --> 01:22:25.560 Russell for a little portion of the game. My man's intense. 1534 01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:28.479 He's got a great beard. But vibes are good. 1535 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:28.680 Man. 1536 01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:30.680 Three points on the road. Here we are with the lads. 1537 01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:34.760 All right, here we go. 1538 01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:35.720 I know, no, no, no. 1539 01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:38.720 Tried, you just got me. 1540 01:22:42.279 --> 01:22:44.600 Is there anybody else on this roster that can level 1541 01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:47.359 up to the level that Diego Luna can level up to? Oh? 1542 01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:52.039 Because if question if Arsenala is going, Mecca was really good. 1543 01:22:52.079 --> 01:22:55.520 Okay, okay, I guess I should quantify it by saying, 1544 01:22:55.600 --> 01:22:59.840 like in the attacking third, is there anybody that's a problem, Well, 1545 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:04.479 what about big Willy Goals had had a pretty good 1546 01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:07.279 chance he did put it. I think, I mean it's 1547 01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:11.159 probably a field goal, it's probably an extra point it, Yeah, 1548 01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:15.880 he got ensolved it or what. I don't think you 1549 01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:19.279 can rely on those types of performances every single week 1550 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:21.520 from a guy. Like there's one guy in the world 1551 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:23.359 that you can do do that with in his name's 1552 01:23:23.439 --> 01:23:25.760 Lionel Messi, and even at thirty seven, he's still doing 1553 01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:28.000 it in this league. But other than that, it's just 1554 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:33.520 not realistic. And who knows, maybe Agata's addition changes things. 1555 01:23:33.600 --> 01:23:35.880 I am fascinated to see what the what the attack 1556 01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:40.680 looks like when he's that number nine. But Harsales problem 1557 01:23:40.760 --> 01:23:42.319 now is not in the attack and a third like 1558 01:23:42.439 --> 01:23:45.279 they're down like three or four center backs and like 1559 01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:48.880 that vera collision, dude, Yeah, like wow, like that was 1560 01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:53.359 some scary like straight gone like you could immediately tell 1561 01:23:53.720 --> 01:23:56.760 when the other team comes over and like freaks out. 1562 01:23:56.840 --> 01:23:59.760 That's when you, like I think of when I think 1563 01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:02.199 of Gordon Hayward's broken foot, like I don't think of 1564 01:24:02.279 --> 01:24:05.079 everybody else. I think of what Lebron did. Ye you 1565 01:24:05.119 --> 01:24:07.600 know what I mean? Because it when it resonates with 1566 01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:10.960 the opponent on the level, that's like visceral. That's when 1567 01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:13.359 you know it's bad. I don't. I don't know what 1568 01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:16.199 his availability will be that for this week because it 1569 01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:21.880 was so Yeah, I would assume that he should probably 1570 01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:24.479 be held out because he was knocked out cold, but 1571 01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:28.520 Glad was hurt somebody Kobe Kobe Henry. Kobe Henry's been 1572 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:31.840 hurt for like a month now. I guess Quinton was 1573 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:34.840 having some cramping issues or something like. And now you 1574 01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:38.279 have to go to Vancouver. Who plays tonight plays Miami 1575 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:41.600 tonight in the in the conker caf Semis. So maybe 1576 01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:45.000 you get those guys tired on the you know, second 1577 01:24:45.079 --> 01:24:47.239 leg of their two game week in Vancouver, but you're 1578 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:49.520 still going to play the best team in the West, 1579 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:52.039 maybe the best team in the conference, on the road 1580 01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.399 in a place where historically you haven't been very good. 1581 01:24:54.520 --> 01:24:57.039 What's realistic to expect? I mean, Johnny Russell in his 1582 01:24:57.159 --> 01:24:59.920 prime was really good for SKC's thirty five. He's been 1583 01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:04.199 without a club for seven months. I was told by 1584 01:25:04.279 --> 01:25:07.840 my guy, my guy Pops that he was impressed with 1585 01:25:07.920 --> 01:25:11.079 his initial conditioning. He's not as far behind as they thought. 1586 01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:14.680 I don't know if he's available this Saturday. Thirty five 1587 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:17.479 years old, right, So what's reasonable to expect from from 1588 01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:18.640 Johnny Russell. 1589 01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:20.439 On the field or off the field, well both if 1590 01:25:20.479 --> 01:25:24.600 you like. On the field, I would say that left 1591 01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:29.319 footed gold dangerous player late in games, probably shouldn't be 1592 01:25:29.399 --> 01:25:36.319 starting because you have younger wingers. I mean even a 1593 01:25:36.399 --> 01:25:38.119 kid like Xavier Gozo who are in the start in 1594 01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:40.359 San Diego, Like, these are guys you need to bring along. Yeah, 1595 01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:42.319 And I think you know the segue to why I 1596 01:25:42.359 --> 01:25:44.079 ask for off the field is like you need guys 1597 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:47.319 like Johnny Russell who've scored sixty goals in this league 1598 01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:49.560 or whatever to kind of teach a lot of these 1599 01:25:49.640 --> 01:25:54.239 young guys the ropes and you know, give them advice 1600 01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:56.720 on how to handle things and how to go at 1601 01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:00.359 certain defenders on the field, Like I would yes that 1602 01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:03.000 Johnny Russell could still stand over a free kick and 1603 01:26:03.279 --> 01:26:05.039 hit it with his left foot and peg it pretty well, 1604 01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:07.279 But I don't know if he's going to be in 1605 01:26:07.479 --> 01:26:10.560 for a seventy minute work shift where he's busting his 1606 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:12.600 ass up and down the line the way Pablo wants 1607 01:26:12.640 --> 01:26:13.600 his wingers to play well. 1608 01:26:13.640 --> 01:26:17.239 And your point, Diego is clearly head and shoulders above 1609 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:19.560 everybody else and kind of has to make miracles happen 1610 01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:22.119 every game if they're gonna have a chance to compete, 1611 01:26:22.640 --> 01:26:25.720 and the summer window will open. But by the time 1612 01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:28.720 it closes, there's just not a lot of time. Nine 1613 01:26:28.760 --> 01:26:31.560 games left, all right. One more thing here. The headline 1614 01:26:31.720 --> 01:26:36.880 on ESPN dot com is Mammoth gaff question mark Utah 1615 01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:41.560 Mama name after leak. So we have a situation where 1616 01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:46.079 the hockey club changed their social handles, but it was 1617 01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:48.920 not supposed to be for public consumption to Utah Mammoth. 1618 01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:53.960 This is the same operation that leaked the Jazz yellow 1619 01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:57.000 jerseys too early and then try to walk it back 1620 01:26:57.039 --> 01:26:59.960 to say, wait, Purple's back to this isn't bad? 1621 01:27:00.920 --> 01:27:04.159 Like what's People just need to be on the same page. 1622 01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:07.399 I mean, I'm of the opinion that it should just 1623 01:27:07.439 --> 01:27:11.479 be Utah Hockey Club. I feel the same an imperpetuity forever, 1624 01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:16.359 and I will I will drive this steak into everyone's heart. 1625 01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:21.279 We are a state known for fossils, but we're they're dinosaurs, right, 1626 01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:24.920 Come on, man, Like the entire eastern Utah is known 1627 01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:29.560 for just a bleep ton of dinosaur fossils. Mammoth, what 1628 01:27:29.640 --> 01:27:33.680 are we doing? Yeah, I will say, I'm sure it's 1629 01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:39.119 very difficult to have and a perfect syncd out roll 1630 01:27:39.199 --> 01:27:42.000 out in terms of moving things over bing bong bing bong. 1631 01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:44.760 One who's weird enough to notice that stuff at like 1632 01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:46.920 eleven pm? Come on, guys, go to sleep, you know, 1633 01:27:47.079 --> 01:27:50.680 watch some you know, righteous Jempstones or something. But yeah, 1634 01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:54.439 it's it's not great to me. The bigger misstep is 1635 01:27:54.479 --> 01:27:56.880 the name as opposed to the the canned rollout. 1636 01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:59.279 I would agree, but both of them are embarrassing. But 1637 01:27:59.319 --> 01:28:02.439 I guess maybe is back. Chris, Great to see you, 1638 01:28:02.600 --> 01:28:04.479 enjoy mo Apple'll see you next week. Right, It's Chris 1639 01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:07.840 Comrodnie stops by today. Courtesy of our good friends at 1640 01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:10.520 IFA Country Stores. They have everything you need to care 1641 01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:13.359 for your LAWNDO matter size or shape. 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I 1652 01:28:46.079 --> 01:28:49.840 was on television last night at ten thirty five on KMYU, 1653 01:28:50.600 --> 01:28:53.439 also streaming on kutv dot com. We call it five 1654 01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:55.880 Questions with Spence, even though last night was eight Questions 1655 01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:58.520 with Spence. I needed more time to be filled. And 1656 01:28:58.680 --> 01:29:02.560 Dave Fox joins us live in studio after ditching us yesterday. Hello, Dave. 1657 01:29:02.720 --> 01:29:05.600 Oh sorry, we had a little station sports meeting yesterday. 1658 01:29:05.640 --> 01:29:08.000 But thank you for pivoting and allowing me to come 1659 01:29:08.039 --> 01:29:10.039 into This is rare because normally I'm here and then 1660 01:29:10.079 --> 01:29:12.600 you come there and right, but it's just the opposite. 1661 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:14.640 So now I can steal all your material. No, all good, 1662 01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:16.960 But last night was fun. Thanks for having me. Of course, 1663 01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:19.319 my guy Timmy writing the questions as he does all 1664 01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:21.600 the time. He is just great. He is the best. 1665 01:29:22.159 --> 01:29:24.840 He is the best. All right, Where to start? Where 1666 01:29:24.880 --> 01:29:28.479 to start? Where to start? Today? NBA playoffs. I've been fun. 1667 01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:31.680 But for the third straight year, there's no playoff basketball 1668 01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:34.920 in Salt Lake City, Utah. And you know I was 1669 01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:38.520 thinking about this because they referenced the Detroit Pistons have 1670 01:29:38.640 --> 01:29:42.039 not won a home playoff game in seventeen years. Ultimately, 1671 01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:45.039 we're pretty spoiled. Yeah, how many you know, how many 1672 01:29:45.159 --> 01:29:49.960 spring basketball exciting events that we've had over the years, 1673 01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:52.439 even though it's been three years. You know, it's important 1674 01:29:52.479 --> 01:29:55.079 to remind jazz fans that markets go through this. We 1675 01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:57.079 just don't go through it very often. Well, and if 1676 01:29:57.319 --> 01:29:59.760 you talk about the grand history, Detroit had some pretty 1677 01:29:59.760 --> 01:30:00.439 good years too. 1678 01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:02.560 That's just for a long time. Yeah, yeah, this has 1679 01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:06.399 been a really really long time. And I mean I 1680 01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:08.319 can go all the way back to ninety seven, ninety eight. 1681 01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:10.640 How much fun was that. It was just phenomenal to 1682 01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:12.239 be a part of that. But you're right just to 1683 01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:15.560 be involved, to say you're a playoff team, to not 1684 01:30:15.760 --> 01:30:19.600 be stuck in the lottery in a bad position, it 1685 01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:22.479 means a lot. It just granted, a lot of teams 1686 01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:24.920 go to the playoffs, I get it, but still, if 1687 01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:26.720 you're a playoff team, you're a playoff team, and that 1688 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:28.439 says something. It's funny because I was looking at the 1689 01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:32.000 NHL lotteries is I think it's been announced as Monday, 1690 01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:36.119 and the odds on Utah getting a number picker zero. 1691 01:30:37.119 --> 01:30:39.800 They can't happen because they're so far down the lottery. 1692 01:30:39.880 --> 01:30:41.880 So that's when you're kind of stuck in purgatory. That's 1693 01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:44.199 not really where you want to be. So at least 1694 01:30:44.359 --> 01:30:47.920 this year, Spence, the Jazz are in the best position 1695 01:30:48.079 --> 01:30:50.359 they've been in in quite some time in terms of 1696 01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:53.000 the hope for getting a lottery a number one pick. 1697 01:30:53.119 --> 01:30:57.239 Yeah, fourteen percent chance. Unfortunately, speaking of Detroit and knock 1698 01:30:57.319 --> 01:30:59.479 on Wood, last year, the Pistons had the worst record 1699 01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:02.439 in pro bat skpball and they fell to five, which 1700 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:04.960 is the Jazz floor. They cannot fall past five. We 1701 01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:08.399 have recent precedent though of it happening, so unfortunately that 1702 01:31:08.560 --> 01:31:11.760 is not the play. Because if Cooper Flag is jazz 1703 01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:13.720 Man next year, a couple of things. First of all, 1704 01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:17.439 then we can start understanding exactly the direction the Jazz 1705 01:31:17.439 --> 01:31:18.760 are going to take, because people ask me all the 1706 01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:20.000 time what are they gonna do, and I'm like, well, 1707 01:31:20.039 --> 01:31:23.439 I don't know, and I probably will not even have 1708 01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:25.880 an idea until after we know where they're drafting. But 1709 01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:28.640 if they draft one, and if they get Cooper Flag, 1710 01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:30.880 then we have more of an idea of what they're 1711 01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.359 going to do coming up. And also we will no 1712 01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:37.079 longer be NBA purgatory like NBA National. People will start 1713 01:31:37.119 --> 01:31:39.479 paying attention to the Jazz again because nobody has done 1714 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:40.359 that at all this year. 1715 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:42.640 Well, and they get Flag and then they add Giannis, 1716 01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:45.439 and then you're talking about look at you. 1717 01:31:47.039 --> 01:31:47.960 So it's on now. 1718 01:31:48.399 --> 01:31:52.319 I have to believe that. First of all, Milwaukee will 1719 01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:55.960 not trade him. The only way it happens is if 1720 01:31:56.079 --> 01:31:58.640 Yannis says that's enough, Okay, he would have to ask 1721 01:31:58.720 --> 01:32:00.560 for it. I read this this morning blew me away. 1722 01:32:00.600 --> 01:32:03.800 So the past ten playoff games for Milwaukee, Giannis is 1723 01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:08.520 averaging thirty two points, sixteen rebounds, and six assists, and 1724 01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:11.680 they're one and nine in those ten games, and it's 1725 01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:13.800 their third straight year they've lost in the first round. 1726 01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:17.920 So it's it's a little bit like so when Lebron 1727 01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:21.560 left Cleveland the first time for Miami, they burned his jersey. 1728 01:32:22.640 --> 01:32:26.119 He came back to Cleveland, won a championship, left for 1729 01:32:26.239 --> 01:32:29.239 Los Angeles and they celebrated it because he got them 1730 01:32:29.239 --> 01:32:32.920 their championship. Jannis won a title in Milwaukee's, so he 1731 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:34.600 can kind of do the thing where it's like, look, 1732 01:32:35.079 --> 01:32:37.039 I gave you everything. I had won year title, but 1733 01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:39.079 now it's time for me to move on the question 1734 01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:41.520 is how much of that will be his decision as 1735 01:32:41.560 --> 01:32:43.960 far as where the landing spot is, because Milwaukee's not 1736 01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:45.960 going to trade him, and I'm sorry, Giannice is not 1737 01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:47.920 going to be like, hey, they've got great snow in Utah, 1738 01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:50.720 so to Salt Lake. I guess he's not not a 1739 01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:53.119 hockey guy up there. 1740 01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:58.239 So that's a really good point. And it's getting back 1741 01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:01.880 to what you said about Lebron. Like you said, he 1742 01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:04.680 has the title. I think that changes your mindset to 1743 01:33:04.760 --> 01:33:07.439 a degree. You never stop the pursuit of getting titles, 1744 01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:10.439 but at least he has one. You look over the 1745 01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:13.000 careers have stocked on them alone. They were fantastic. Never 1746 01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:16.039 got a title, but they wanted it. In that grant 1747 01:33:16.119 --> 01:33:18.960 free agency and demanding trades wasn't quite as prevalent as 1748 01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:22.359 it was back then. But uh, it went bad quickly 1749 01:33:22.640 --> 01:33:24.920 when and I don't mean bad, but I mean once 1750 01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:27.479 though they had those two runs, then it was like 1751 01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:30.880 off off the cliff. Few years later, Carl's in LA 1752 01:33:31.119 --> 01:33:36.039 and John retires. I don't know how patient Jannis will 1753 01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:36.640 continue to be. 1754 01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:39.760 Maybe he really loves Milwaukee he's got his title, and 1755 01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:41.680 he says, well, I just I'll ride this out. But 1756 01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:44.479 that team, that team does not And I think you'll 1757 01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:48.039 agree with me here. That organization isn't even close to 1758 01:33:48.159 --> 01:33:50.520 being title connectors, especially with the problems now that they 1759 01:33:50.600 --> 01:33:51.680 have with Damian Loward. 1760 01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:53.399 I think they put a lot into that basket. And 1761 01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:56.039 who knows what his situation is going to be. That's 1762 01:33:56.039 --> 01:33:58.399 a tough injury to come back from at his age. 1763 01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:01.439 So yeah, well we'll see what kind of paya Jannis has. 1764 01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:04.199 But we would welcome him here with open arms in 1765 01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:07.720 our wonderful community. Take him up do some snowboarding if 1766 01:34:07.720 --> 01:34:10.399 he would prefer. I'm happy to take him up to 1767 01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:13.000 Alta and put the boards on and you know, do 1768 01:34:13.159 --> 01:34:16.520 some surfing in the summer whatever. NBA players are not 1769 01:34:16.600 --> 01:34:18.680 allowed to do that, well they can, they're not allowed. 1770 01:34:18.439 --> 01:34:18.760 To do that. 1771 01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:22.600 Yet Malone got to drive around around Harley all the time. 1772 01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:24.760 Well he wasn't supposed to, but he did, but he did. 1773 01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:25.760 You know, it was Carl Malone. 1774 01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:29.000 But no, I mean, look, even with Dame, we saw 1775 01:34:29.039 --> 01:34:31.199 where their ceiling is and at times it looks pretty good, 1776 01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:33.760 but they're not close to competing with Dames, so they're 1777 01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:36.720 miles away without him. Game won't be on the floor 1778 01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:39.239 next year until probably the spring, if at all. But 1779 01:34:39.279 --> 01:34:41.279 he's under contract for two more years at about one 1780 01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:43.479 hundred and twenty million, a lot of money. So Milwaukee's 1781 01:34:43.520 --> 01:34:46.680 in trouble and Phoenix is in trouble. There will be 1782 01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:49.640 teams that will be moving on from star players. Kevin 1783 01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:52.600 Durant will be traded, Giannis will be traded. I just 1784 01:34:52.680 --> 01:34:55.279 think the Jazz have probably three years too late, but 1785 01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:58.039 they finally have accepted their fate and they're going to 1786 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:00.680 play this long game thing. I don't think like I 1787 01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:04.199 don't know that Danny Inge will ever utter the phrase 1788 01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:07.239 big game hunting again. I just think they've leaned into 1789 01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:09.239 this long term play and we'll see if they get 1790 01:35:09.279 --> 01:35:10.359 Cooper and then they go from there. 1791 01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:13.359 If I can circle back to yesterday's show, and I 1792 01:35:13.479 --> 01:35:16.640 listened to your show every day, so your NBA guess not. 1793 01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:20.680 Dave mcmanimum Tim McMahon, and he brought up an interesting 1794 01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:24.119 point in the same subject in that no, there's no 1795 01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:27.479 chance Kevin Durant's coming here, but the Jazz could be 1796 01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:31.520 a facilitator in a deal that involves Durant somewhere. They 1797 01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:36.680 already have been with Phoenix once before, and you know, 1798 01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:38.479 you kind of got into the whole. You know, is 1799 01:35:38.520 --> 01:35:40.600 there another year of tanking? And I think you both 1800 01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:45.640 kind of agreed that if you get Cooper Flag, you 1801 01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:48.880 don't necessarily have to go into a full year of tanking, 1802 01:35:49.000 --> 01:35:53.279 if I heard that correctly. But the temptation to try 1803 01:35:53.359 --> 01:35:55.239 to add Dabansa. 1804 01:35:56.159 --> 01:35:56.640 Is great. 1805 01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:59.920 But Spence one are the odds on getting the number 1806 01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:02.319 one picked two years in a ruw it? 1807 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:06.920 It doesn't happen much. And you know, I do, I 1808 01:36:07.039 --> 01:36:09.119 do think there is a chance that if Cooper Flagg 1809 01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:12.800 is here in Salt Lake City, the Jazz decide, and 1810 01:36:13.000 --> 01:36:16.039 may have already decided that their timeline starts. Now that's 1811 01:36:16.079 --> 01:36:18.239 what I think, and their timeline starts with Cooper Flag. 1812 01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:21.279 And look the draft class next year, and you know, 1813 01:36:22.159 --> 01:36:25.239 people analyze the draft day to day for a living 1814 01:36:25.279 --> 01:36:26.960 in a way that I don't. But the draft class 1815 01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:29.000 next year is thought to be every bit as good 1816 01:36:29.039 --> 01:36:32.960 as the draft class this year. And so we love you, Lowry, 1817 01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:35.079 but you're about to turn twenty eight. And even a 1818 01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:37.600 guy like Walker Kestler's agent a little bit, which sounds 1819 01:36:37.680 --> 01:36:40.680 hilarious to say, but if you get Cooper flag at eighteen, 1820 01:36:40.720 --> 01:36:43.039 and I remind everybody every time I bring up Cooper Flagg, 1821 01:36:43.079 --> 01:36:45.239 he turned eighteen three and a half months ago. He 1822 01:36:45.439 --> 01:36:47.840 reclassified and should have been a senior in high school. 1823 01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:50.319 So it's like Trevin Nell is what twenty seven like? 1824 01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:54.439 You know, so he is not some season college basketball player. 1825 01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:56.640 He should have been a senior in high school this year. 1826 01:36:56.720 --> 01:36:59.520 He's a young eighteen. So there is part of me 1827 01:36:59.600 --> 01:37:01.640 to believe the Jazz have already done their calculation and 1828 01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:04.439 they're saying, if we get Cooper, our project starts now 1829 01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:04.840 with him. 1830 01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:05.600 But I don't know. 1831 01:37:05.600 --> 01:37:09.119 About dismissing Kesser yet, He's not that much older. I'm 1832 01:37:09.119 --> 01:37:11.319 just saying I don't think anybody would be safe if 1833 01:37:11.319 --> 01:37:14.600 they get Cooper flex probably and Lowry right is even more. 1834 01:37:14.840 --> 01:37:17.039 And then you go down the line guys like Jordan 1835 01:37:17.119 --> 01:37:20.119 Clarkson done, John Collins. You know, maybe they would have 1836 01:37:20.239 --> 01:37:22.199 traded Jordan if they could by now. Yeah, well no, 1837 01:37:22.479 --> 01:37:24.079 it may not be. It may be part of the 1838 01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:27.000 facilitation of Kevin Durant. We'll see where that all goes. 1839 01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:29.840 I'll tell you what's beneficial now with both Clarkson and Collins. 1840 01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:32.079 Is now that we enter the final year of their contracts. 1841 01:37:32.079 --> 01:37:33.920 So if another general man out here you say, okay 1842 01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:37.079 that that money does expire. Instead of trading for John 1843 01:37:37.159 --> 01:37:39.760 Collins last year, gms are saying, I don't want to 1844 01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:42.119 trade for John Collins because I'm paying him twenty six 1845 01:37:42.199 --> 01:37:45.079 million dollars next year. But now this year you're saying, okay, 1846 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:47.399 that comes off the books. It's expiring, so we'll make 1847 01:37:47.439 --> 01:37:47.720 that deal. 1848 01:37:47.840 --> 01:37:50.439 So forget about big game hunting and think more about 1849 01:37:50.520 --> 01:37:54.039 the we use the word again, the facilitating things. They could, 1850 01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:56.960 in a roundabout way benefit the Jazz because they have 1851 01:37:57.000 --> 01:37:57.319 a lot. 1852 01:37:57.239 --> 01:37:59.319 Of other assets to deal with. Hey, did you call 1853 01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:02.000 any of Jack's and darts high school football games? Several? So, 1854 01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:04.600 so he turns out to be QB two in the 1855 01:38:04.720 --> 01:38:07.960 NFL draft process, which I think is pretty interesting. Uh, 1856 01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:12.359 you know, starts at USC, goes goes to Miss Brian Dayball, 1857 01:38:12.399 --> 01:38:15.439 who was Josh Allen's offensive coordinator in Buffalo, trades back 1858 01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:16.920 into the first round to take Jackson. 1859 01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:18.479 What sort of NFL player do you think he's gonna be. 1860 01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:20.600 I think he's going to be a really good one. 1861 01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:23.439 When I the games I still remember his first game. 1862 01:38:23.479 --> 01:38:25.119 I think we called one of his first games at 1863 01:38:25.159 --> 01:38:27.640 Corner Canyon. And remember he played three years at Roy 1864 01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:29.279 and we actually called a few of his games there. 1865 01:38:29.319 --> 01:38:31.600 But he wasn't showcase there the way he was at 1866 01:38:31.640 --> 01:38:34.039 Corner Canyon. You know, Eric Carrig just turns out the 1867 01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:36.600 quarterbacks there. And the two things that caught me one 1868 01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:39.560 he was incredibly accurate with his passing. But when he 1869 01:38:39.680 --> 01:38:41.600 took off and ran, I mean he ran like a 1870 01:38:41.720 --> 01:38:42.560 running back here. 1871 01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:44.199 A kid that's built really well too, a. 1872 01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:48.399 Big, strong kid, and just a great kid. Beyond that, 1873 01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:51.159 it's just a lot of fun to watch. I love 1874 01:38:51.239 --> 01:38:54.199 him in the NFL. And I think you talk about 1875 01:38:54.239 --> 01:38:56.359 the Giants, Sorry about the Jets. 1876 01:38:56.560 --> 01:38:59.039 Do you mean to bring what are you doing? No 1877 01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:04.439 one's asking you about the Jests, Dave cross Town. Uh. 1878 01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:09.720 They added Skataboo, So I'm thinking four or five. And 1879 01:39:09.760 --> 01:39:11.560 I'm not a you know me and my Cowboys guy. 1880 01:39:11.600 --> 01:39:13.479 I like the Giants. I don't like anyone else in 1881 01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:16.119 the NFCS, but I think there might be a nice 1882 01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:20.840 little foundation there, and that's a team that traditionally loves 1883 01:39:21.239 --> 01:39:23.760 those fans will eat up a running back like Scataboo, 1884 01:39:23.880 --> 01:39:27.520 you know, a strong kid and Dart. I just think 1885 01:39:27.560 --> 01:39:29.079 four or five years from now, that's going to be 1886 01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:31.039 a heck of a tandem in that in that city. 1887 01:39:31.119 --> 01:39:34.199 Do you think Jackson in fact Porter get on the microphone, Oh, 1888 01:39:34.840 --> 01:39:37.920 Jackson Dart NFL prospect juxtaposed to Zach Wilson. 1889 01:39:38.920 --> 01:39:41.680 Good question, And it's interesting you mentioned the Corner Canyon thing. 1890 01:39:41.880 --> 01:39:44.279 They've now put out two first round quarterbacks in a 1891 01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:47.000 time span that I'm not sure many colleges around the 1892 01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:52.960 country have. Yeah, I think that Jackson is he has 1893 01:39:53.039 --> 01:39:55.319 a lot more of like the refined stuff that that 1894 01:39:55.560 --> 01:39:58.279 Zach had. Clearly a great arm, he could sling it. 1895 01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:01.560 But but Jackson seems to really know playbooks well. He 1896 01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:04.239 seems to know pre snap stuff really well, a lot 1897 01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:06.560 of the stuff that I actually think Zach struggled with. 1898 01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:09.319 It was the reason, although he was great at BYU, 1899 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:12.600 was not a great prospect. Jackson seems to have a 1900 01:40:12.760 --> 01:40:17.199 little bit more of that pocket presence pre snap stuff. 1901 01:40:18.119 --> 01:40:20.680 I think it more experienced to played for Lane Tiffin. 1902 01:40:21.039 --> 01:40:22.800 But but I'll circle back to what you said too 1903 01:40:22.800 --> 01:40:24.399 about the coaching. That's a big part of it. 1904 01:40:24.520 --> 01:40:26.960 So Zach goes into a coaching situation where you got 1905 01:40:27.039 --> 01:40:29.399 a head coach who's the defensive guy. In fact, he's 1906 01:40:29.479 --> 01:40:31.680 back with the Niners, right, he's the defensive coach. 1907 01:40:31.720 --> 01:40:31.960 Again. 1908 01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:35.279 I just think it was a bad situation. And again 1909 01:40:35.319 --> 01:40:37.319 I don't mean to fall back on the Jets. 1910 01:40:37.079 --> 01:40:39.840 But they're terrible. Yes they are, and I can census. 1911 01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:42.359 And they brought him in and he had to play. Well, 1912 01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:44.560 that's not the case with Jackson Dark because they had 1913 01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:49.680 mister unlimited. Don't play it, don't play it, Russell Wilson, 1914 01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:51.760 mister unlimited. Right, have you ever heard have you ever 1915 01:40:51.960 --> 01:40:54.760 heard the Russell Wilson mister unlimited? You don't want to 1916 01:40:54.760 --> 01:40:56.720 It'll ruin your day, don't but don't play that. 1917 01:40:57.239 --> 01:40:57.880 Jameis Winston. 1918 01:40:57.960 --> 01:41:00.640 They have both of them, so they read who knows 1919 01:41:00.680 --> 01:41:02.159 what they're gonna do with him, But he's gonna have 1920 01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:04.119 plenty of time to learn if they so choose to 1921 01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:04.479 do that. 1922 01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:07.279 And I just think it's a great situation for him. 1923 01:41:07.359 --> 01:41:09.840 And may I have a hard time saying all this 1924 01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:12.279 because I'm not a Giants fan in any way, but 1925 01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:14.800 I'm probably gonna become one just because of Jackson Dart. 1926 01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:17.800 Help me understand what they've got cooking at Corner Canyon. 1927 01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:19.399 Why have they been able to turn these kids out 1928 01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:21.840 like that? Well, Eric, first of all, has a great system. 1929 01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:24.920 Now this isn't just sticking a quarterback behind the center, right. 1930 01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:27.399 The one thing that people don't talk that much about. 1931 01:41:27.520 --> 01:41:30.439 He always has a great line, a great offensive line. 1932 01:41:30.520 --> 01:41:35.359 Jackson powers or Powers Jackson is another great kid who's 1933 01:41:35.479 --> 01:41:38.640 with the Raiders right now. Yeah, Fee now coming up, 1934 01:41:38.680 --> 01:41:43.640 he's going to be a sensational well in some respects 1935 01:41:43.680 --> 01:41:47.880 he's not directly, but their their family. He always builds 1936 01:41:47.880 --> 01:41:50.439 a great line and he has a decent defense to 1937 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:52.279 go along with it. And you know how much that 1938 01:41:52.399 --> 01:41:54.159 can mean to a quarterback if you're not on the 1939 01:41:54.239 --> 01:41:56.680 field the whole time. So Eric's just. 1940 01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:58.600 Built a machine out there. They're gonna be good. They've 1941 01:41:58.680 --> 01:42:00.920 got a quarterback this year Auga who's going to be 1942 01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:02.720 a senior. Watch out for him. He's going to be 1943 01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:06.119 really he committed to a college. Uh, he's still out there. Cool, 1944 01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:09.720 but he's only going into his senior year, so heavily recruited. 1945 01:42:10.479 --> 01:42:10.600 Uh. 1946 01:42:10.880 --> 01:42:13.960 And it's it's funny because what Eric has built as 1947 01:42:14.039 --> 01:42:16.640 Corner Canyon at Corner Canyon has forced the other teams 1948 01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:18.640 in that region. And I'm talking about like Lehigh and 1949 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:22.239 Skyridge and Loan Peak to up their game. And now 1950 01:42:22.359 --> 01:42:24.520 you've got this. It's we always me and a Lemon. 1951 01:42:24.600 --> 01:42:28.079 Frank always called the sec of high school football in Utah. 1952 01:42:28.199 --> 01:42:30.279 But do not say Frank Stam on this radio show. 1953 01:42:30.359 --> 01:42:31.840 You an a Lemma and the other three. You can 1954 01:42:31.880 --> 01:42:35.640 say that adultcea no no no, and bald weird dude. 1955 01:42:36.039 --> 01:42:37.720 You can put that bald weird dude. Thank you. 1956 01:42:38.000 --> 01:42:38.119 Uh. 1957 01:42:38.239 --> 01:42:40.560 And in fact, this year, I've already got our schedule done. 1958 01:42:40.560 --> 01:42:42.359 We're gonna do a lot of games out of that 1959 01:42:42.479 --> 01:42:45.079 involved those four teams because they're just so good. But 1960 01:42:45.199 --> 01:42:47.600 that's what Eric has built there, and it's it's just 1961 01:42:47.680 --> 01:42:48.399 going to continue. 1962 01:42:48.439 --> 01:42:49.000 They're really good. 1963 01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:51.520 He's got a quarterback you probably don't even remember, Devin Brown. 1964 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:53.840 He's on Ohio State's roster right now from a couple 1965 01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:54.319 of years ago. 1966 01:42:54.520 --> 01:42:57.159 So good. He's got he's got to going on there. Yeah, 1967 01:42:57.239 --> 01:42:59.479 I mean, it's just, uh, it's impressive. Let me ask 1968 01:42:59.520 --> 01:43:02.920 you this. Did Jackson transfer from Roy to Corner Canyon 1969 01:43:02.960 --> 01:43:04.800 to play for Eric? Was likely exactly right. 1970 01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:08.000 He played three years at Roy going into his senior year, 1971 01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:10.560 and he had the blessing of the roy coaches. Fred 1972 01:43:10.600 --> 01:43:13.359 Fernandas was the head coach, and he knew he had 1973 01:43:13.439 --> 01:43:16.920 something special, but he didn't really have the offense or 1974 01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:18.760 the team to really exploit that. 1975 01:43:19.199 --> 01:43:21.119 And he goes to Corner Canyon and Spence. 1976 01:43:21.399 --> 01:43:25.640 Within weeks he's getting offers from all over the place, 1977 01:43:25.720 --> 01:43:28.520 and of course he landed at USC and if they 1978 01:43:28.600 --> 01:43:31.760 had not had a coaching change, Actually, I mean, what 1979 01:43:31.880 --> 01:43:34.760 do you expect that that's going to happen when new 1980 01:43:34.800 --> 01:43:36.720 coach comes in, he brings his quarterback with him. He 1981 01:43:36.800 --> 01:43:38.319 was pretty good and he's with the Bears now. But 1982 01:43:38.600 --> 01:43:44.119 he he he instantly was being recruited everywhere. Best move 1983 01:43:44.199 --> 01:43:46.000 he ever made. I'm not sure where he'd be at 1984 01:43:46.079 --> 01:43:48.000 now if he had not made that move to Corner Canyon. 1985 01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:48.359 Was there? 1986 01:43:48.399 --> 01:43:51.920 I mean, this is a silly question. I'm sure Utah 1987 01:43:52.159 --> 01:43:54.640 would have liked Jackson Dart to play for them. Like, 1988 01:43:54.720 --> 01:43:57.159 what was there any conference? Did he just simply want 1989 01:43:57.199 --> 01:43:57.640 to go to SC? 1990 01:43:58.920 --> 01:44:01.359 I couldn't tell you this inner workings other than Cam 1991 01:44:01.479 --> 01:44:05.479 Rising was there at the time and made it a 1992 01:44:05.520 --> 01:44:07.439 little bit of a he was young that the ttle 1993 01:44:07.479 --> 01:44:09.720 kid too, well, what he came and went in a hurry. 1994 01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:11.840 I mean, was there. He's still playing somewhere. I think 1995 01:44:11.880 --> 01:44:13.960 he truly was there, not much of a need. 1996 01:44:14.079 --> 01:44:16.720 I think that was the issue because the same issue 1997 01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:18.720 with Zach Wilson if you go all the way back, 1998 01:44:18.720 --> 01:44:21.800 remember Zach originally committed to Boise State and then made 1999 01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:23.920 the move to BYU, which turned out great for him. 2000 01:44:23.960 --> 01:44:26.640 But they end up with Isaac Wilson, and you know, 2001 01:44:26.720 --> 01:44:29.199 we'll see where that goes. But I've you know, you look, 2002 01:44:29.359 --> 01:44:31.880 I mean, hindsight's twenty twenty O could look at Obviously, 2003 01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:33.319 if the youth could do it over again, they would 2004 01:44:33.319 --> 01:44:35.279 have loved to have Jackson Darty. He was great in 2005 01:44:35.279 --> 01:44:38.960 Mississippi and that's and the rest is history. Now he's 2006 01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:40.720 off to the NFL and we'll see how that goes. 2007 01:44:41.000 --> 01:44:45.520 Is it any sort of an indictment or concern that 2008 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:48.960 Caleb Loner was the only ute drafted and there were 2009 01:44:49.159 --> 01:44:53.079 zero BYU players drafted. Yeah, BYU team had had a 2010 01:44:53.159 --> 01:44:54.760 really good season in the Big twelve. 2011 01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:57.960 No NFL guys and no other ute NFL guess that's 2012 01:44:58.000 --> 01:44:59.319 what I'm saying. And that was one of my five 2013 01:44:59.439 --> 01:45:01.720 questions for you yesterday. Because I thought the same one 2014 01:45:01.760 --> 01:45:03.840 of your eight questions, sorry, one of my eight questions. 2015 01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:06.079 Eight questions. Suspension just doesn't have the same rings, so 2016 01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:08.239 I just hide him in there. But I thought the 2017 01:45:08.319 --> 01:45:08.960 exact same thing. 2018 01:45:09.159 --> 01:45:11.359 In fact, I had to read over the draft and 2019 01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.479 draft by school two or three times Saturday afternoon to 2020 01:45:14.520 --> 01:45:17.560 make sure I was reading this correctly, because in a way, 2021 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:20.159 there's a there's a bit of comedy to it. But 2022 01:45:20.279 --> 01:45:22.640 on the other side of it, good for Caleb, and 2023 01:45:23.119 --> 01:45:25.520 you've mentioned some of the other tight ends that have 2024 01:45:25.640 --> 01:45:28.680 gone through this. It's it's a great story for him. 2025 01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:33.279 He didn't get overly used on Utah's offense last year, 2026 01:45:33.359 --> 01:45:34.840 but he had a couple. He had the touchdown at 2027 01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:37.840 Utah State and had a few other big catches and 2028 01:45:38.199 --> 01:45:39.880 you will see what he can do in the NFL. 2029 01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:43.680 I don't know what his blocking acumen is, but for 2030 01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:46.479 a pass catching tight end, I think it's great. But yeah, 2031 01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:49.840 when you when you look back at the draft, and boy, 2032 01:45:50.000 --> 01:45:51.439 the NFL draft is eternity. 2033 01:45:51.560 --> 01:45:51.920 We know that. 2034 01:45:52.680 --> 01:45:56.840 And that's the only kid that was drafted between BYU 2035 01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:59.199 and Utah. Jalen Royals course for Utah, stay good for him, 2036 01:45:59.239 --> 01:46:01.680 goes to a great suation with the Chiefs. But that's 2037 01:46:01.720 --> 01:46:04.159 the only kid out of those two schools. Is it's 2038 01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:06.239 I think it's less an indictment on Caleb. 2039 01:46:06.279 --> 01:46:07.199 I have no issue with that. 2040 01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:10.199 Good for him, and more of what where are all 2041 01:46:10.279 --> 01:46:12.279 these other, you know, kids that we thought were going 2042 01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:13.760 to get drafted? But you brought up a great point 2043 01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:16.720 yesterday when we were talking about Shadurra Sanders. The media's 2044 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:20.960 perspective of draft projections in the NFL's perspective of draft 2045 01:46:21.000 --> 01:46:23.000 projections are two completely different things. 2046 01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:24.920 And we learned that, didn't we. Yeah. I mean, if 2047 01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:27.279 you're a talent evaluator for a team, you're taught to 2048 01:46:27.359 --> 01:46:30.279 remove emotion. Can the kid play? You know? And on 2049 01:46:30.399 --> 01:46:34.479 the media side, certainly for a network like ESPN, who's 2050 01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:36.840 a partner with the NFL and has the NFL Draft, 2051 01:46:37.600 --> 01:46:40.520 their one motivation is to get you to watch their 2052 01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:42.439 TV show exactly, So how do we do that? We 2053 01:46:42.560 --> 01:46:44.680 create a narrative around should Ur Sanders and we have 2054 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:47.479 mel Kuiper lose his mind every five minutes about how 2055 01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:51.199 he made God and look, I honestly don't know if 2056 01:46:51.279 --> 01:46:54.560 that is mel Kiper being sincere as a draft analyst 2057 01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:57.479 or as a TV character. I really don't know, because 2058 01:46:57.520 --> 01:46:59.199 he seemed to be playing it up to the camera, 2059 01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:01.039 like every five minutes, let's go back to Mel and 2060 01:47:01.119 --> 01:47:02.640 he's freaking out. Looks like his hair is going to 2061 01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:06.520 fall outs. Did he did he really think should or 2062 01:47:06.600 --> 01:47:08.640 Sanders should have been the number one player drafted? Or 2063 01:47:08.720 --> 01:47:10.520 is he playing up to the audience so you turn 2064 01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:11.159 on ESPN. 2065 01:47:11.239 --> 01:47:12.680 Well maybe it's a little bit of both. But think 2066 01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:15.119 about this. He had him high on his board and 2067 01:47:15.279 --> 01:47:17.520 he doesn't want to be wrong. It's you know, it's 2068 01:47:17.560 --> 01:47:19.479 funny thing I always think about when you look at 2069 01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:23.800 replays in the NFL and the NBA. These officials don't 2070 01:47:23.840 --> 01:47:26.640 want to have to overturn a call because if they do, 2071 01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:27.640 they admit they're wrong. 2072 01:47:27.720 --> 01:47:28.079 They're wrong. 2073 01:47:28.439 --> 01:47:31.479 But that's what replay has created. Well, maybe it's the 2074 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:33.439 same situation with with Mel. 2075 01:47:33.560 --> 01:47:35.960 He doesn't want he has to defend, and he over 2076 01:47:36.079 --> 01:47:40.399 defended himself his projections of the draft. When this kid 2077 01:47:40.479 --> 01:47:43.560 who he had highly projected, I think he had him 2078 01:47:43.560 --> 01:47:44.720 as the second quarterback. 2079 01:47:44.760 --> 01:47:48.439 He thought he should be right, so he had him 2080 01:47:48.479 --> 01:47:51.479 QB one and he drops fifth. Obviously he's gonna raise 2081 01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:54.359 a big stink over it. And boy, I think you 2082 01:47:54.720 --> 01:47:56.520 you hit on it too. There was a little bit 2083 01:47:56.600 --> 01:47:59.319 of theater with that because how many times did they 2084 01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:00.680 go to mel I thought he was going to come 2085 01:48:00.720 --> 01:48:02.920 to blows. At one point, who was he fighting with? 2086 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:04.880 I can't remember. He was fighting with Reese Das. It 2087 01:48:04.920 --> 01:48:05.520 was Reyese Davis. 2088 01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:07.800 Yeah, when he started yelling about how the NFL gets 2089 01:48:07.840 --> 01:48:10.000 a wrong a quarterback and Reese of course wants to 2090 01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:12.840 protect the shields, he said, stop yelling at the NFL please. 2091 01:48:13.479 --> 01:48:16.319 So it was really good. It was really good. But 2092 01:48:16.439 --> 01:48:19.000 that's the point Dave like, as a media member, Okay, 2093 01:48:19.039 --> 01:48:23.119 if you're a media member and you're quote analyzing the draft, 2094 01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:26.399 your whole motivation is to get the most amount of 2095 01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:28.560 people to click on your stuff or watch your show. 2096 01:48:28.600 --> 01:48:31.800 It unless you're trying to impress the NFL team because 2097 01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:33.800 you want a job, and there are several media slubs 2098 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:36.119 that believe they should be working for NFL teams or whatever. 2099 01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:39.439 But you always have to remember, as a consumer, the 2100 01:48:39.640 --> 01:48:42.960 motivation for TV networks is one thing and one thing. 2101 01:48:43.039 --> 01:48:45.720 Only turn on the TV and keep it on the 2102 01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:48.039 TV on our station as long as possible. You know this, 2103 01:48:48.159 --> 01:48:49.800 That's how you say advertise well, Steven A. 2104 01:48:49.840 --> 01:48:52.159 Smith did the same thing though, of course very that's 2105 01:48:52.239 --> 01:48:54.760 very horror show. Yeah, then that's that's his stick for 2106 01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:57.720 you know in h twenty point eight, by the way, 2107 01:48:57.920 --> 01:49:02.199 running for president, which you've stopped it, so that is 2108 01:49:02.279 --> 01:49:03.720 stick you and I don't argue. 2109 01:49:03.560 --> 01:49:05.680 Enough on them on my TV show. But do you 2110 01:49:05.720 --> 01:49:06.920 want to argue more? We can argue more. 2111 01:49:06.920 --> 01:49:09.039 All that, I'm pretty much a softie and I have it. 2112 01:49:09.159 --> 01:49:12.279 I have this weird tendency to almost agree with just 2113 01:49:12.319 --> 01:49:15.039 about everything you say. Well, I just don't do combative radio. 2114 01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:17.520 I don't think well, and I could be wrong, because 2115 01:49:17.560 --> 01:49:19.199 maybe if I was more like Steven A. Smith, I 2116 01:49:19.239 --> 01:49:21.800 could sign one hundred million dollar contract. But I don't 2117 01:49:21.800 --> 01:49:24.439 think people turn on the radio to escape from their 2118 01:49:24.560 --> 01:49:26.479 day to listen to two people yell at each other. Don't. 2119 01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:30.199 Maybe I'm wrong, but that was entertaining, no doubt about it. 2120 01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:34.960 That It's just funny stuff. So Caleb, only local player 2121 01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:39.199 besides Jalen drafted, but only you. No BYU players drafted. 2122 01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:42.279 I'm gonna flip the script on you as far as 2123 01:49:42.359 --> 01:49:43.880 what you asked me last night, and I'll just stick 2124 01:49:43.920 --> 01:49:47.039 with the Utah perspective. We saw spring football, we saw 2125 01:49:47.119 --> 01:49:48.960 Devin Dan Pierre play a lot. We saw a lot 2126 01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:50.920 of hitting. We saw a lot of live hitting. I 2127 01:49:50.960 --> 01:49:53.600 mean I was down there on the sidelines. Well, of course, 2128 01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:56.800 don't touch the quarterback, but I was kind of taken back. 2129 01:49:56.840 --> 01:49:59.319 And I talked to Morgan about this after the spring game, like, 2130 01:49:59.399 --> 01:50:01.079 you guys were hitting, and He's like, yeah, we needed, 2131 01:50:01.119 --> 01:50:04.039 we need some live action. What gives you the most 2132 01:50:04.119 --> 01:50:06.479 confidence the year two in the Big twelve for Utah 2133 01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:08.720 football will be better. Okay, A couple of things. 2134 01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:10.279 First of all, and you and I were talking about 2135 01:50:10.279 --> 01:50:12.119 before the spring game, we we didn't even think we 2136 01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:13.640 would see some of these. 2137 01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:14.319 Guys all that much. 2138 01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:16.800 And I wouldn't blame Cotton. I wouldn't see the past 2139 01:50:16.840 --> 01:50:19.119 couple of years geez. But and I'm going to go 2140 01:50:19.159 --> 01:50:20.399 back to when I was on your show and I 2141 01:50:20.479 --> 01:50:22.079 did disagree with you. I said, no, I think they're 2142 01:50:22.079 --> 01:50:23.439 going to play him a lot because they need to 2143 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:23.840 see him. 2144 01:50:23.880 --> 01:50:29.600 So thank you. I decided to own horn. That's good 2145 01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:33.319 to give yourself To circle back and answer your question. 2146 01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:34.319 A couple of things. 2147 01:50:34.359 --> 01:50:38.199 First of all, seeing him for the first time in person, 2148 01:50:38.479 --> 01:50:45.359 I thought Devin was smaller, shorter, and thinner, and you know, 2149 01:50:45.439 --> 01:50:48.159 it's kind of he's a small dude because Isaac next 2150 01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:53.079 to him look pretty big. But the way the ball 2151 01:50:53.159 --> 01:50:56.720 placement I thought was really exceptional. There were a couple 2152 01:50:56.760 --> 01:50:58.479 of passes, a couple of corner routes, a couple of 2153 01:50:58.560 --> 01:51:01.760 sideline routes where he put that ball on the money. 2154 01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:05.159 That's one thing I appreciate about too. He already seemed 2155 01:51:05.159 --> 01:51:08.640 to have a great command of the huddle and the team. 2156 01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:12.279 Three for as being as small as he is when 2157 01:51:12.279 --> 01:51:14.720 you see him in person, he really got around well. 2158 01:51:15.119 --> 01:51:17.800 He now granted that they can't go full bore, and 2159 01:51:18.199 --> 01:51:19.720 you know, we're gonna see what happens in the in 2160 01:51:19.800 --> 01:51:21.560 the fall when he's not wearing a yellow vest. 2161 01:51:22.680 --> 01:51:26.600 But overall, I thought that I don't know how much. 2162 01:51:26.479 --> 01:51:28.000 We really saw, and I don't think we saw a 2163 01:51:28.079 --> 01:51:29.640 lot Spence, you know what I mean, because they're not 2164 01:51:29.680 --> 01:51:32.039 going to show it in the spring game. But I 2165 01:51:32.119 --> 01:51:35.880 think it gives the ute fans some hope for what 2166 01:51:36.039 --> 01:51:37.359 this team might be able to do this year. 2167 01:51:37.359 --> 01:51:37.800 And we'll see. 2168 01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:39.560 The main thing they got to just stay healthy. We 2169 01:51:39.720 --> 01:51:41.960 learned that last year. That's a big part of it. 2170 01:51:42.079 --> 01:51:46.720 And some of the main players like Barton didn't play. 2171 01:51:47.359 --> 01:51:50.199 But I'm telling you what, he looks big. He looks 2172 01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:53.039 like a stud. I mean, he's one of these guys 2173 01:51:53.039 --> 01:51:56.159 that's gonna be able to play, you know, defensive line 2174 01:51:56.199 --> 01:51:58.840 if he needs to, moving up from that kind of 2175 01:51:58.880 --> 01:52:02.399 a Micah Parsons kind of position, you know, linebacker and that. So, 2176 01:52:03.159 --> 01:52:04.920 you know, if I'm a youth fan, I'm pretty excited 2177 01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:06.960 about this offense in the direction it's going. I can't 2178 01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:08.560 wait to see it when they could really open it 2179 01:52:08.680 --> 01:52:11.880 up and and you know they're not. It's not as 2180 01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:14.399 vanilla as it might have been. Having said that, it 2181 01:52:14.479 --> 01:52:16.079 was kind of a you know, there was some wide 2182 01:52:16.119 --> 01:52:16.560 open plays. 2183 01:52:16.600 --> 01:52:18.920 It was fun to watch. Really was little concerned about 2184 01:52:18.960 --> 01:52:21.600 who who Devin's going to throw the ball to. So 2185 01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:26.239 Zach Williams lands at USC. According to our friends at 2186 01:52:26.239 --> 01:52:29.760 two four to seven Sports, Utahs hosting a wide receiver 2187 01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:34.319 transfer named Tobias Merriweather who's in town from cal Uh 2188 01:52:34.399 --> 01:52:36.960 the number sixteen available player in the two four to 2189 01:52:37.039 --> 01:52:40.319 seven portal rankings. They've got ad wide receiver to Dave. Yeah, 2190 01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:42.319 we talked about it himself. 2191 01:52:42.479 --> 01:52:43.000 Yeah he is. 2192 01:52:43.279 --> 01:52:44.920 But I will say this, there were a couple of 2193 01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:48.319 nice catches made. Now, Zach Williams, there's now a usc 2194 01:52:48.520 --> 01:52:50.840 good point. There were a couple of drops early, and 2195 01:52:50.960 --> 01:52:53.720 Kyle mentioned that. In fact, in the first quarter there 2196 01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:56.119 were a few of them and the ball was being 2197 01:52:56.159 --> 01:52:59.479 put right on the spot. So it's weird, though, Spence, 2198 01:52:59.520 --> 01:53:02.479 because it was like wide receiver has been an issue 2199 01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:06.199 like year after year after year, and they always seem 2200 01:53:06.239 --> 01:53:07.319 to have plenty of tight ends. 2201 01:53:07.399 --> 01:53:09.600 But we'll see where that goes. Yeah, I think we'll 2202 01:53:09.600 --> 01:53:11.680 always wonder what Dorian could have done last year if 2203 01:53:11.720 --> 01:53:14.199 Cam was healthy. Right, I mean, there's been some talent 2204 01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:17.119 like Tim Patrick's an awsome NFL wide receiver device Vaile. 2205 01:53:17.760 --> 01:53:19.880 There's been some talent there, but you got to have 2206 01:53:19.920 --> 01:53:21.840 a healthy quarterback that can capitalize on it. 2207 01:53:21.920 --> 01:53:25.439 Yeah, and Patrick had that broken leg rough time here 2208 01:53:25.439 --> 01:53:27.680 at Utah. But and I remember when he did that, 2209 01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:29.439 I thought, well that this is gonna be a rough 2210 01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:31.199 comeback for him. And he ends up, like you said, 2211 01:53:31.600 --> 01:53:34.000 having a really nice career still playing. He got paid 2212 01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:34.439 by Detroit. 2213 01:53:34.479 --> 01:53:36.039 All right, before we say you loose, you had a 2214 01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:39.720 very You have a very special guest on Talking Sports 2215 01:53:39.760 --> 01:53:44.119 tonight by my count Utah Men's basketball roster right now 2216 01:53:44.239 --> 01:53:48.560 has five roster spots left. Yeah, and I believe. So 2217 01:53:48.960 --> 01:53:50.680 you had a chance to sit with Alex Jensen tell 2218 01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:51.119 us about it. 2219 01:53:51.159 --> 01:53:51.680 Came in today. 2220 01:53:51.680 --> 01:53:52.279 It was a lot of fun. 2221 01:53:52.399 --> 01:53:54.960 Spent about twenty twenty five minutes with him, and you 2222 01:53:55.159 --> 01:53:57.840 know how talking sports work, we get maybe eight or 2223 01:53:57.920 --> 01:53:59.720 nine outes. So we're gonna run it in two parts 2224 01:53:59.760 --> 01:54:01.960 because it was great tonight. The first part we talk 2225 01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:04.439 a lot about Alex, his family, the move they just 2226 01:54:04.560 --> 01:54:07.119 went through coming back to Utah. You know, his wife 2227 01:54:07.600 --> 01:54:10.960 was in the performing arts on Broadway. That kind of great, 2228 01:54:11.079 --> 01:54:13.800 great lady. It's funny because he was I was asking 2229 01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:17.520 about so she's, you know, Broadway girl, performing arts, your 2230 01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:21.640 sports basketball? Which direction are the kids headed? And he 2231 01:54:21.720 --> 01:54:24.880 said his two daughters already are headed to basketball? 2232 01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:28.640 Really, so yes, don't they only have girls? Three girls? 2233 01:54:28.800 --> 01:54:29.399 Well the third is. 2234 01:54:29.399 --> 01:54:32.119 Only three years old, so she hasn't made that call yet, right, 2235 01:54:32.319 --> 01:54:35.279 So his wife's you know, she's not overly, I mean 2236 01:54:35.359 --> 01:54:38.079 she's not. They're they're fully supportive of what their kids do. 2237 01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:40.159 She's still waiting to see if she gets her dancer. 2238 01:54:40.239 --> 01:54:42.359 We'll see. But we talk a lot about about that. 2239 01:54:42.560 --> 01:54:44.479 And then on Sunday night, I'm gonna run part two 2240 01:54:44.520 --> 01:54:46.319 and we talk a little bit more about basketball. I 2241 01:54:46.399 --> 01:54:48.399 thought one of the interesting things he brought up, and 2242 01:54:48.479 --> 01:54:50.359 you see this with all programs now they're going to 2243 01:54:50.399 --> 01:54:53.239 the GMS, And he said it was really important for 2244 01:54:53.399 --> 01:54:56.600 him to get a GM that is not a coach, 2245 01:54:57.319 --> 01:54:58.319 literally is a GM. 2246 01:54:58.399 --> 01:55:00.600 And that's that's what he managed to fine. And that's 2247 01:55:00.720 --> 01:55:01.680 that's where we're at. 2248 01:55:02.319 --> 01:55:05.079 In college because he because he's like, he deals with 2249 01:55:05.159 --> 01:55:07.399 all the money and I deal with all the players. 2250 01:55:07.560 --> 01:55:09.680 Could you imagine that phrase five years ago? You know 2251 01:55:09.720 --> 01:55:12.920 you'd be on probation. I was disappointed that Alex didn't 2252 01:55:12.920 --> 01:55:14.920 contact me about the vacant GM job. But what are 2253 01:55:14.920 --> 01:55:15.279 you gonna do? 2254 01:55:15.399 --> 01:55:17.319 He asked me about that. I told him that you're 2255 01:55:17.359 --> 01:55:20.119 happy where you're at. Okay, fair enough. I just try 2256 01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:22.800 to start my own role. Dave ye heyat great to see, Okay, 2257 01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:25.680 see a great day Fox. Tune into Talking Sports tonight 2258 01:55:25.720 --> 01:55:27.600 you'll hear an interview with Alex Jensen. 2259 01:55:28.520 --> 01:55:31.960 This is clearly your favorite nineties one hit wonder every time, 2260 01:55:32.199 --> 01:55:36.680 every time we do this little musical situation on the show, 2261 01:55:36.800 --> 01:55:38.359 this is what you land on to close out. I 2262 01:55:38.359 --> 01:55:39.640 feel like every single time. 2263 01:55:40.279 --> 01:55:42.159 You you might be right, you might be right. 2264 01:55:42.960 --> 01:55:46.039 It's definitely up there as far as one hit wonders go, 2265 01:55:46.119 --> 01:55:48.239 and it really is a one hit wonder. 2266 01:55:48.239 --> 01:55:49.319 I don't know if I can name another one of 2267 01:55:49.319 --> 01:55:49.720 their songs. 2268 01:55:50.079 --> 01:55:53.399 Oh, no way, how bizarre by what's who is this? 2269 01:55:53.479 --> 01:55:57.680 I don't even know omc omc. Yeah, there's no way that. 2270 01:55:57.800 --> 01:56:01.199 I don't think they have another song. But anyway, all right, 2271 01:56:01.359 --> 01:56:04.560 fun out of NBA playoffs, couple of playoff basketball games, 2272 01:56:04.600 --> 01:56:08.840 we got three playoff hockey games. When had my yearly physical? Today? 2273 01:56:08.960 --> 01:56:11.920 There we go bring it up because of public service announcement. 2274 01:56:12.760 --> 01:56:15.239 As someone who wants upon a time had early detection 2275 01:56:15.439 --> 01:56:17.399 literally save his life. I would encourage you to get 2276 01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:20.640 out there and once a year, contact your doctor, go 2277 01:56:20.720 --> 01:56:23.920 get blood work done. You are still a young No no, no, 2278 01:56:24.079 --> 01:56:26.479 you're still a young so it's not as vital for you. 2279 01:56:26.800 --> 01:56:28.600 But when's the last time he had a physical young man? 2280 01:56:28.840 --> 01:56:30.399 That's kind of why I was I was saying that 2281 01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:33.960 I am, how do you put this, not a man 2282 01:56:34.079 --> 01:56:36.319 of Western medicine as much as I should be. 2283 01:56:36.359 --> 01:56:38.840 Probably Okay, so you're doing ayahuasca once a year to 2284 01:56:38.920 --> 01:56:41.239 make sure that your mentals are okay, Like what exactly 2285 01:56:41.279 --> 01:56:41.920 does that entail? 2286 01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:44.520 I don't do ayahuasca. I haven't gone down like the 2287 01:56:44.880 --> 01:56:48.439 full the full branch. I just like it takes a 2288 01:56:48.600 --> 01:56:51.439 lot for me to go into a hospital, into a doctor. 2289 01:56:52.720 --> 01:56:54.439 I need to get better at that. I do know, 2290 01:56:54.760 --> 01:56:59.000 you know tests, as you mentioned, the preventative stuff. But yeah, 2291 01:56:59.039 --> 01:57:01.159 I'm just really bad at it. Unless I literally am 2292 01:57:01.239 --> 01:57:03.199 like bleeding out of my head. 2293 01:57:04.319 --> 01:57:06.239 I just I go elsewhere. 2294 01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:08.600 Just go once a year and get some blood taken 2295 01:57:08.720 --> 01:57:10.399 and look at the levels and see how you're doing. 2296 01:57:10.439 --> 01:57:10.960 That's all it is. 2297 01:57:11.359 --> 01:57:15.880 I actually have reached out to start that process, just 2298 01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:18.479 a blood test, just make sure everything's in line. 2299 01:57:19.359 --> 01:57:22.279 But yeah, I need to work on that. 2300 01:57:22.720 --> 01:57:25.000 So I am not a pearl clutch as it pertains 2301 01:57:25.039 --> 01:57:27.600 to other people's relationships, because it's none of my business. 2302 01:57:28.239 --> 01:57:32.279 This build Ballichick relationship situation is a little bit how bizarre, 2303 01:57:32.479 --> 01:57:33.119 may I say it? 2304 01:57:33.319 --> 01:57:36.439 Yeah? Apt song for the segment. 2305 01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:42.600 Here's what I'll say. I'm usually with you like your 2306 01:57:42.680 --> 01:57:45.600 relationship is your relationship whatever. But when you're a Hall 2307 01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:50.119 of fame head coach who is seventy four. 2308 01:57:51.199 --> 01:57:53.680 Or more seventy four and she is you know, he's 2309 01:57:53.720 --> 01:57:55.399 seventy three, she's twenty twenty four. 2310 01:57:55.560 --> 01:58:00.239 Okay, yeah, so that's part of the thing here. You're again, 2311 01:58:00.359 --> 01:58:03.079 you're a Hall of fame head coach who just took 2312 01:58:03.159 --> 01:58:05.239 a job at the college level, and you're now dating 2313 01:58:05.279 --> 01:58:12.119 a college aged woman. You're also a professional head coach 2314 01:58:12.159 --> 01:58:15.399 who is with the New England Patriots. There is a 2315 01:58:15.600 --> 01:58:18.920 history with the New England Patriots and some like I 2316 01:58:18.960 --> 01:58:21.640 would say, odd stuff with like flights and models and 2317 01:58:22.119 --> 01:58:22.800 all the above. 2318 01:58:23.279 --> 01:58:26.079 Right, So, yes, I'm with you. 2319 01:58:26.359 --> 01:58:29.359 Not usually want to wade into the waters of someone 2320 01:58:29.399 --> 01:58:33.079 else's relationship, but in this circumstance, you at least have to, 2321 01:58:36.079 --> 01:58:39.600 I don't know, assess it a little bit, wonder a 2322 01:58:39.640 --> 01:58:40.520 little bit, because it is. 2323 01:58:41.159 --> 01:58:43.760 It is interesting if Bill Belichick is seventy three and 2324 01:58:43.880 --> 01:58:46.319 is dating a twenty four year old, what's socially acceptable 2325 01:58:46.399 --> 01:58:48.239 for a forty seven year old man to date as 2326 01:58:48.279 --> 01:58:51.039 far as the age goes. There's the question for you 2327 01:58:52.560 --> 01:58:56.640 seventy three, Wow, just go the other way. Yeah, Hey, 2328 01:58:56.920 --> 01:58:58.560 I'm not judging. Like I said, I'm not a pear 2329 01:58:58.760 --> 01:59:02.439 clutcher when I oh, he's so young, So okay, whatever, 2330 01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:04.760 do your thing. Life is hard enough find somebody that 2331 01:59:04.840 --> 01:59:07.199 fulfills you and makes you happy. I'm like, but the 2332 01:59:07.279 --> 01:59:09.520 whole thing about her like being c seed on his 2333 01:59:09.640 --> 01:59:13.199 emails and the CBS cutting off interviews Sunday Morning Interview 2334 01:59:13.239 --> 01:59:15.800 where she's like dictating the question Like that stuff is 2335 01:59:15.880 --> 01:59:18.720 weird for a guy that, historically speaking, has been so 2336 01:59:18.920 --> 01:59:21.640 controlling about his own communication and narratives. 2337 01:59:21.720 --> 01:59:23.840 That's where it becomes like, Okay, we have to dive 2338 01:59:23.880 --> 01:59:26.680 into we have to see what's going on here, because 2339 01:59:26.720 --> 01:59:30.479 Bill Belichick is historically known in the NFL as like 2340 01:59:30.560 --> 01:59:33.840 the most powerful guy around. Yeah, Robert Kraft is part 2341 01:59:33.880 --> 01:59:36.199 of it, but it was always seen as like Bill 2342 01:59:36.279 --> 01:59:37.680 Belichick's way or the highway. 2343 01:59:38.079 --> 01:59:38.199 Right. 2344 01:59:38.560 --> 01:59:41.960 You talk to players who who had him as a coach, 2345 01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:44.920 You talked to people who worked for Bill Belichick. It 2346 01:59:45.079 --> 01:59:50.119 is a guy who suffers no fools and kind of 2347 01:59:50.159 --> 01:59:53.119 looks like a fool now. And it's a little interesting 2348 01:59:53.159 --> 01:59:58.359 because here's the deal. I don't care how in love 2349 01:59:58.439 --> 02:00:03.000 you are or or whatever. The circumstance is to allow 2350 02:00:03.159 --> 02:00:07.560 someone else, even your significant other, to like dictate the 2351 02:00:07.640 --> 02:00:11.760 words you're saying or the answers to questions you're having, 2352 02:00:11.960 --> 02:00:17.079 that's weird. If you're just like an accountant who has 2353 02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:21.079 a a weird marriage for Bill Belichick who just took 2354 02:00:21.119 --> 02:00:24.199 a job at North Carolina. Yeah, it's something we're going 2355 02:00:24.239 --> 02:00:24.720 to talk about. 2356 02:00:25.199 --> 02:00:27.159 Hopefully those two crazy kids make it work. 2357 02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:31.760 I think I I I think they will be Porter, 2358 02:00:33.239 --> 02:00:34.560 You don't want you want to hear some crazy I 2359 02:00:34.720 --> 02:00:39.359 want to. I got odds on like shout out to 2360 02:00:39.399 --> 02:00:44.079 our got Jimmy Shapiro. Odds on like Bill Belichick's relationship, 2361 02:00:44.239 --> 02:00:48.359 like will Bill Belichick be the UNC coach or will 2362 02:00:48.359 --> 02:00:51.640 he be fired first? Or will he and Jordan break 2363 02:00:51.760 --> 02:00:55.000 up before he gets fired? Or will Jordan end up 2364 02:00:55.039 --> 02:00:57.439 dating a UNC player? Like? Those were real odds that 2365 02:00:57.520 --> 02:01:00.600 I received in a in an email from a booking site. 2366 02:01:00.680 --> 02:01:01.760 So that's where we're at. 2367 02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:04.560 Porter. Bottom line, My Angelou said it best choose love 2368 02:01:04.720 --> 02:01:06.840 one more time and always one more. 2369 02:01:06.720 --> 02:01:08.479 Time, always one more time. 2370 02:01:08.560 --> 02:01:12.960 Write that down, May Angelou. Let's get out of here. 2371 02:01:12.960 --> 02:01:15.279 It's getting weird. 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On a Thursday 2388 02:01:58.439 --> 02:01:59.439 edition of the program. 2389 02:01:59.680 --> 02:02:02.600 On a Thursday edition of The Drive, spence our week 2390 02:02:02.800 --> 02:02:04.880 of reaction to the NFL draft. 2391 02:02:04.960 --> 02:02:05.800 Of course, we. 2392 02:02:05.840 --> 02:02:10.439 Will continue to talk NBA playoffs. Bill Riley stops by 2393 02:02:10.800 --> 02:02:14.760 the program. Aaron Falk stops by the program. I even 2394 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:17.680 got Aaron to come in studio, no way, So even 2395 02:02:17.720 --> 02:02:19.560 though he's not texting you back, you will see him. 2396 02:02:19.439 --> 02:02:21.159 Tomorrow, Okay, all right, because I need to know if 2397 02:02:21.199 --> 02:02:22.199 he's playing golf this weekend. 2398 02:02:22.239 --> 02:02:25.319 Pablo Mastrueni joins the program as well, and we'll go 2399 02:02:25.520 --> 02:02:27.920 from there on a Thursday. 2400 02:02:27.560 --> 02:02:29.319 All right, So join us for a Thursday Drive and 2401 02:02:29.399 --> 02:02:32.439 join some playoff hoops tonight and some playoff hockey as well. 2402 02:02:32.560 --> 02:02:34.079 Will Saga and I and the special thank you to 2403 02:02:34.159 --> 02:02:36.479 Tony Jones, to Travis Sikama at A, Chris Com, Ronnie 2404 02:02:36.479 --> 02:02:38.760 and Dave Fox for the sound you made miss from 2405 02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:40.880 the show. Go to the website. 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