WEBVTT 1 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:27.280 We're Tom Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion 2 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:30.079 Fest Telekitt's Welcome back to another edition of the Pso 3 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:32.520 I'm the Tea and you're Tee Low Tom Fitzgerald, and 4 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:34.640 I'm here with the Low and your t less my 5 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:36.320 love husband, I do how. 6 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:38.640 We Hunter is here too. It's so funny. Every time. 7 00:00:40.359 --> 00:00:42.920 Big twenty pounds boy cat, Yes, go ahead. 8 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:45.359 Every time we set up the equipment, he jumps on 9 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:47.840 the table and he wants to befart of it. So 10 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:48.840 it's really cute. 11 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:51.759 Sticks his butt right now, you and everyone. Every once 12 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:53.960 in a while someone will ask why we never hear him. 13 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:57.039 Tab is not now. He's a silent gentleman. 14 00:00:57.159 --> 00:00:58.079 He's very gentle. 15 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:00.759 He's not a mewing cat. He mind's a little bit 16 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.000 every now and then, but he's not someone who's going 17 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:06.159 to be out into the mics thet all right. So 18 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:12.519 for this week's podcast, we are going to unpack the 19 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:17.319 season three finale of House of the Dragon, and that'll 20 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:20.920 be the back half of this podcast. But for the 21 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:23.359 front half of this podcast, we thought we'd talk about 22 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:28.280 a movie discussion that's been happening all week long and 23 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:31.439 it gets into larger discussions about the culture and about 24 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:36.319 generational differences and what we want out of our entertainment. 25 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:39.040 And I am talking about the film One Night Only 26 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:45.719 starring Callum Turner and Monica Barbara. Is it Barbara or barbaro? 27 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:46.400 Good? 28 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.799 You know, good question. I've never heard her name set 29 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:49.159 out loud. 30 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:56.159 Probably Barbara, Yeah, yeah, don't know, Okay, So I one 31 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.280 not only is the film that most people are referring 32 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:02.560 to as the sex spurge film, which the premise of 33 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:05.319 the film is that it's a it's a sex comedy, 34 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:06.000 it's a roman. 35 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:09.719 Actually it's a romantic comedy because there's not surprisingly, not 36 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:15.240 that much sex in it. And it's about two people 37 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:18.080 who meet on the one night of the year where 38 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:23.520 unmarried people are legally allowed to have sex. Yes, that's 39 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:25.039 as dumb as it sounds. 40 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:27.560 But it's KELLM. Turner. 41 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:37.039 The whole film hinges on this highly unlikely idea, and 42 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:42.719 it goes to certain lengths to explain the mechanism behind it, 43 00:02:42.840 --> 00:02:46.360 like they people are fitted with sensors to make sure 44 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.719 that they're not you know, they're dopamines. Blah blah blah. 45 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:53.159 It's weird. It's just a weird setup. But yeah, and 46 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:55.800 there's not much story there. That's pretty much the story. 47 00:02:56.599 --> 00:02:59.159 But there's KELLM. Turner, so the reason to watch it. 48 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.520 But the funny thing is that any discussion you see 49 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:05.719 about the movie is about sex, is about these people 50 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:10.199 having sex. And then the director, I forget his names, 51 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:12.879 gave bilg luck there you go, Will Cluck gave an 52 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:20.199 interview to Varietyvariety, Primary Variety and so talking about the 53 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:23.240 movie and all that, and then the interviewer said, recent 54 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:25.840 studies have found that gen Z and Jen Alpha don't 55 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:27.080 want to see sex on screen. 56 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.560 So can I just jump in here right right there? No, No, 57 00:03:31.639 --> 00:03:34.400 I just I want to add something here, which is 58 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:41.199 that the film has gotten very poor reviews. I initially 59 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:43.400 had heard that it was getting good reviews, but actually 60 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:45.919 they were getting good Callum Turner and Monta Barbara were 61 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:49.199 getting good reviews. But most of the reviews have trashed. 62 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.280 I think it's something like twenty seven percent on No, 63 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:54.120 maybe it's not that low. I think I'm getting that 64 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.439 confused with The Last House, which I watched last night. 65 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:04.039 But I know the critics have drafted and one of 66 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:06.639 the things that have been you know, I'm gonna spoil 67 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:10.599 this about the film spoiler. They never have sex in 68 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:12.599 the film, the two lead characters. I mean they do. 69 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.639 They wait a year until the next night where they 70 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:20.839 are legally allowed to have sex. And I'm not gonna 71 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:24.560 get into criticisms of film that I haven't seen, but 72 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:28.639 there are there was a pretty uniform set of critiques 73 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:30.720 against this film, one of which is that the characters 74 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:33.600 don't actually have The lead characters don't actually have sex, 75 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:35.439 and the film doesn't make a very good argument as 76 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:38.920 to why that would be. It doesn't explain the world 77 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:44.079 that any of these people live in very well. And 78 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:47.279 I think there was there's been a lot of backlash, 79 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.839 and I think the director Will Gluck has been unprepared 80 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:53.480 for this. He seems a little defensive in some of 81 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:55.720 these interviews, and he says, you know, the stars are 82 00:04:55.879 --> 00:04:58.199 are being forced to explain this too much, and blah 83 00:04:58.240 --> 00:05:00.959 blah blah blah, and people just need to watch but 84 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:03.000 you know, you're not giving us a reason to watch it. 85 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:07.360 This story makes very very little sense right now. The 86 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:11.240 reason this has exploded as a topic and in the 87 00:05:11.279 --> 00:05:13.279 discourse this week is that one of the things Will 88 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:18.079 Gluck said was that, as you noted, gen Zi and 89 00:05:18.199 --> 00:05:21.800 jen A. Audiences typically do not want to have sex scene, 90 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:23.720 do not want to watch sex scenes in a movie theater, 91 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:29.720 in a mainstream film, and he admitted that he had 92 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:31.920 the film actually did have a lot more sex in it. 93 00:05:32.839 --> 00:05:36.360 It does not sound like the main characters, I mean, 94 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:39.000 their arc remains the same. But he said there were 95 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:41.879 always people in the background having sex because that was 96 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:44.120 the point of the comedy, is that everyone was just 97 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.839 banging in the street because it's the one night that 98 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:48.399 they can do so. And he pulled all of that 99 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.480 out because test audiences didn't like it. 100 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:55.240 Interesting. Yeah, so he cut out all the sex scenes 101 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:59.040 and nudity and all that. And that's the explanation he gave, 102 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:01.600 which I don't know if the movie is about sex, 103 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:04.040 I mean there should be sex in the movie, that's 104 00:06:04.120 --> 00:06:07.279 my mighty. And this whole thing about gen Z and 105 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:11.360 Jen Alfa not comfortable with, you know, sex scenes and stuff, well, yeah, 106 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:13.360 I explain heated ribery to me. 107 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:17.879 Well, no, I can explain that to you. That's not 108 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.439 in a movie theater. And he actually made that point. 109 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:22.839 Well Gluck made that point, and several other people have 110 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.480 made that point as well. It's the public aspect of it. 111 00:06:26.879 --> 00:06:31.399 People now see sex as something that you watch at home, 112 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:34.800 or you watch on your phone, or you know that 113 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:38.959 sort of thing. It's not so much. And because the 114 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:41.920 rhetoric goes in one direction and everybody starts saying the 115 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:43.920 same thing over and over and so all week long 116 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:45.800 it's ben gen Z and Jen Alpha are a bunch 117 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.959 of prudes and prime example is something like heated rivalry, 118 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:53.839 not just that only fans. You know, like, there's plenty 119 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:58.319 of sexual material out there, and young people are accessing 120 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:01.879 it at the same level that previous generations were. What 121 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:06.480 they don't want is sex in a mainstream film. 122 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:08.639 So we're back to sex is dirty, and it should 123 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:10.279 be done in your price. It should be. 124 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:14.319 Done in the privacy of your home. Great, wonderful whatever. 125 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.360 I'm not here. I'm not sitting here to tresh I 126 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:22.519 mean whatever. I think it's an interesting development. And when 127 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.399 you talk and you know, it should be clear that 128 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:26.360 when you talk about gen Z and Jena Alpha, you 129 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.959 were talking about the only generation who literally grew up 130 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:35.879 with pornography. And by that, I mean it was accessible 131 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.800 to them when they were children. And we can all 132 00:07:39.959 --> 00:07:42.560 pretend that that wasn't the case with the Internet but 133 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.279 pretty much anyone under the age of thirty can tell 134 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:51.680 you when they first saw full blown pornography, and it's 135 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.639 a lot younger than you might find acceptable. 136 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:55.600 I guess. I guess. 137 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.920 So we created the world that they're in, and we 138 00:07:58.000 --> 00:07:59.959 can't start rolling our eyes and making fun of them 139 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:03.319 because they have different ideas about sex than say Gen 140 00:08:03.480 --> 00:08:04.240 X or baby boomers. 141 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.360 That's that idea that you know, it's accessible, it's easy. 142 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.240 I don't see the big deal. That's why I don't 143 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:11.680 want to see it kind of thing. Maybe I don't know. 144 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:17.279 I do think that sometimes sex is necessary movie, or 145 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.199 it doesn't have to go on forever. In fact, sometimes 146 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:21.879 I think some sex can go on forever. 147 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:24.040 And I do think they're boring. Yeah, And I'm like, 148 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:24.759 all right, and. 149 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.720 Yes, I mean it is uncomfortable if I'm watching a 150 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:30.319 movie with my mother and somebody start banging somebody, no 151 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:35.120 matter what, gaye straight, forerever, there's always that uncomfortable feeling. 152 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.799 I joke about having a bunch of people here to 153 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:39.799 watch something I forget, and there was a lot of 154 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:42.399 texts and I was like, so uncomfortable I think with 155 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:45.039 family members and I'm like, oh, so, how was the 156 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.399 driving and I kept like talking while they were having texts, 157 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:51.559 like yo, was it easy to park around here? And 158 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:54.360 because I wasn't coomfortable with them sitting next to me. 159 00:08:54.440 --> 00:08:59.799 So I kind of understand. But cutting out something from 160 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:02.480 a movie or TV show because you few blah blah blah, 161 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:05.840 I think that's completely bullshit and that shouldn't be done well. 162 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:08.279 I mean, if audiences didn't want it, that's very common. 163 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:10.639 If audiences didn't want it, then do you cut that 164 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:13.519 stuff out? But granted, the film's a flop, so I'm 165 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.320 not suggesting that, but I think the film is a flop, 166 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.320 not because you cut out these sex scenes, but because 167 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:25.600 it was such a confused idea I feel. I let 168 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:28.000 me just state this. I'm one hundred percent for sex 169 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:30.600 scenes when and you know, I was just about to 170 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:34.039 say when they're warranted. But even that, screw it. If 171 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:36.200 you just want to put hot people together on screen, 172 00:09:36.759 --> 00:09:39.080 right and you think you can make something interesting out 173 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:40.639 of that, fine, put a sex scene in the middle 174 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:44.080 of a cop movie or something like that, science fiction 175 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:49.480 movie or anything like that. Not only that, sex is 176 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:54.360 a huge component of everyone's life. Not everyone, some people 177 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:57.440 don't have sex, but it is a huge component of life. 178 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:01.279 Generally speaking, most of it is a big part of 179 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.600 our lives. It is a big part of our development. 180 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:08.639 And the sexual act can range from something that's you know, 181 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:14.559 fun and dirty, to something that's very meaningful and emotional 182 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:18.240 and profound, for the two for the number of people 183 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:21.159 involved in it. I'm trying not to be heteronormative here 184 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:27.080 or anything like that, but my point being, if you're 185 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:31.240 telling stories of human existence, then yes, sex scenes need 186 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:33.360 to be part of that. And there's an argument to 187 00:10:33.399 --> 00:10:36.879 be made that, well, you know, you don't show people shitting. 188 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:39.799 That's part of human experience and a there are there 189 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:42.000 are movies where people have been shown to actually, there 190 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:44.480 are plenty of movies like Bridesmaids. They're like shitting in 191 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:50.000 the street. But not only that. Sex is not a 192 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.759 bodily function. It's like, as I just said, it has 193 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.240 tremendous meaning, it has emotion, it has it can be 194 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:00.399 tremendously fun, and it can be demeaning. It can be 195 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.080 all of these things. Taking a poop is taking a poop. 196 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:05.519 It's not something that you know, whatever, If a filmmaker 197 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.120 has a reason to show it on the screen, fine, 198 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:11.080 But it's not comparable to a sex scene. That's silly. 199 00:11:12.039 --> 00:11:13.960 I think. I think it's part of it's part of 200 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:16.759 the conversation. It's part of the story most of the time. 201 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:18.919 And I think you should they I think they should 202 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:21.639 show it. If you don't want to see it, then 203 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:22.440 don't see it. 204 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.000 But I just think it's silly to make a sex 205 00:11:25.120 --> 00:11:28.279 comedy a film that is that's it. It's an old 206 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.120 school sex comedy and you are afraid to have sex 207 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.600 scenes in it. And like I said, test audiences didn't 208 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:37.840 like it. But clearly, with the film flopping, it wasn't 209 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:40.120 a good idea to take those scenes. It probably didn't 210 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:42.879 help the film to take those scenes, right, Because here's 211 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:45.759 the thing. The premise of this film is very stupid 212 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:49.279 and it makes no sense at all. Right, but if 213 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:50.799 there had been a lot of hot sex in it, 214 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:53.120 it would have been a huge hit. Like people would 215 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:55.720 I'm sorry, people would line up to watch Calm Turner, 216 00:11:55.759 --> 00:11:57.360 Monica Barbara go for it. 217 00:11:57.399 --> 00:12:00.440 But if things go that way, then you know it's 218 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:02.519 just gonna be stupid. Okay, So if you don't want 219 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:04.200 to see sex, go see a movie. You want to 220 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:06.559 see a lot of sex, go watch TV. It's just 221 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:10.720 like ridiculous. So we're like, Okay, we have we have 222 00:12:10.960 --> 00:12:13.320 a story here that would like to develop, but we 223 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:15.320 can't do it for a movie, So we're gonna have 224 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:17.360 to do a TV show because nobody wants to see 225 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:20.440 sex in the in the movie theater. That's just so ridiculous. 226 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:23.320 I don't buy that. I don't buy those studies. I don't. 227 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.159 I don't. I don't know. I don't know if they're 228 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.080 actually one hundred per cent ecurate, But I don't know. 229 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:29.879 I you know, I don't know. 230 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.799 I think the the dislike of sex scenes is pretty 231 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:39.039 well documented among gen Z and Jena, So. 232 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:40.679 What the fuck is their problem. 233 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:43.240 I'm not doing a I'm sorry, I'm not doing it 234 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:49.440 generate if you want to trash people anyway, Yeah, you're 235 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:51.879 annoyed by I think it's a step back, to be 236 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:54.799 honest with you, I just think it's a development. I 237 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:59.720 just think again, we handed them the Internet when they 238 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:02.399 were ten years old. They've been looking at pornography their 239 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:06.200 whole lives. They can which they can get some of 240 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.720 the most sexually explicit television shows in the history of television, 241 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.480 and they love them. So it's really not about them 242 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.039 being prudes. It's simply about them having a preference as 243 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:16.360 to where they want those scenes. 244 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:19.039 But there's a much bigger picture here that goes beyond sex. 245 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:21.440 I mean, what I fear is that these people don't 246 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:26.240 want any interact or any public anything at all. Silly, silly, 247 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:29.759 it's not silly. It's a much bigger picture here that 248 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:33.200 the Yeah, I see what's going on out there, So 249 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:37.279 I feel like, yeah, the less outside the better. The 250 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:40.919 more inside your home and on your phone, you know. 251 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:46.399 Absolutely not doing one of those generational things. So you ahead, No, I'm. 252 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:50.559 I think it's beyond sex. I mean, sex is the 253 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:52.720 topic here, but I think it's beyond sex when it 254 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:55.279 comes to things they don't want to do anymore. 255 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:58.120 I think it's just a goofy film and a very 256 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.120 confused director who did know what he wanted out of it. 257 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.000 And I should note that he didn't write the film. 258 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:05.360 And I looked up the guy who did write the film, 259 00:14:05.799 --> 00:14:11.960 and I don't want to trash someone's resume, but most 260 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:14.240 of his resume is children's television. 261 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:14.759 Right. 262 00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:18.720 It's like Poppy dog Pals and monsters at work can 263 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:23.480 up at babies and maybe you maybe you don't graduate 264 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:26.399 from that stuff directly into an adult sex comedy if 265 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:28.159 you cannot handle the premise of it. 266 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.240 I just few and I'll repeat here. If that direction, 267 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:34.200 we're going, okay. If it's something we see in public 268 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.879 with other people, then we can't have sex, and if 269 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:39.759 something we see on your screen at home, then we 270 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:44.360 can have plenty of Second, that's stupid. I don't have 271 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:48.000 a creative speaking creative speaking, I mean, you know, in 272 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.639 terms of creating something entertainment, that's stupid. If that's the 273 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:54.840 conversation you're gonna have, we can't have more, say, we 274 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.120 can't have sex anymore in a movie theater, that's stupid. 275 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:00.919 Yeah, I don't. I don't think. I don't really have 276 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.279 an issue with that, especially since most people don't go 277 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:05.840 to movie theaters at all anymore. They watch everything at home. 278 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:11.159 So it's not a distinction that matters. That's my point. 279 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:12.799 It's not a distinction that matters. 280 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:13.559 Right. 281 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:19.039 If if there was evidence that you know, younger generations 282 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:21.879 are completely prudish about sex and don't want to watch 283 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:24.320 it in any form at all, then you have a 284 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:28.360 social issue that's worth discussing. But as as you said 285 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:30.879 at the top of this discussion, heated rivalry puts all 286 00:15:30.919 --> 00:15:34.039 of that to rest. They have healthy attitudes towards sex. 287 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:35.960 They just don't want to sit in a movie theater 288 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:40.159 with strangers and be exposed to it. Oh, I don't 289 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:41.840 have an issue with it. I don't agree with it, 290 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:46.559 but it doesn't bother me. It doesn't bother me, right, it. 291 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:49.120 Bothers me creative as a speaking because then you are 292 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:51.679 restrain yourself from creating something. 293 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:53.879 No, you're not. You're just making it for television. 294 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.440 Yeah, well then I gain so. 295 00:15:55.679 --> 00:15:58.679 No, but what's the difference between a you know, an 296 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:00.480 Apple TV movie and a movie. 297 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:03.320 Well, things are getting smaller and smaller and the same. 298 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.519 But no, But anyway, the lines are blurred when it 299 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:10.440 comes to movie and TV these days. But you're still saying, 300 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:12.600 you know, we can't do this for this form of 301 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:15.000 entertainment anyway, that's my thig. 302 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.240 I agree or I don't agree, but I agree. I 303 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.399 think it's an interesting discussion anyway. I would love to 304 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:24.960 know what all y'all feel about this. If you think 305 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:29.559 this is a disturbing issue, a generational issue, or simply 306 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.519 a blip in culture happening right at the moment. And 307 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.679 I also want to say that I think some of this, honestly, 308 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:41.919 is very wrapped up in COVID lockdown and all of that. 309 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:44.279 I think our attitudes towards this sort of stuff has 310 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:49.320 changed a lot because of lockdown. But we'll see. All right, 311 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:50.759 let's take a short break and we'll come back and 312 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:55.480 talk about House of the Dragon. Yes, we're back, and 313 00:16:55.519 --> 00:16:57.360 then we're going to talk about the I was going 314 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:00.600 to say explosive season finale of House the Dragon, but 315 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.080 I really wouldn't say it was explosive. I was a 316 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:05.200 little surprised to see that some people thought it was 317 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:08.079 anti climactic in the manner of last year's or last 318 00:17:08.079 --> 00:17:11.079 season's finale, but I don't actually think it was. In fact, 319 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.759 there's so much happened that I have to get you know, 320 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:16.920 I had to, you know, put together some those to 321 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:17.680 keep track. 322 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:19.960 Of it all. A lot happened. Some characters didn't show 323 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:23.519 up at all. Yeah, Alison got hurt five seconds and 324 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:27.559 the dragon girl I forget her name now, Raina, Yes, 325 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:31.480 they just did show up at all. Anyway, I saw 326 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:34.079 a lot of discussion on line, especially book read. It's 327 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:38.200 obviously about how they expected more in terms of the 328 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:40.680 battle that the battle was kind of like low key 329 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:44.200 right then they were expecting more and a longer battle. 330 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:46.039 They thought it was a little short. 331 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:50.039 I don't Yeah, yeah, I don't agree with I mean, 332 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:52.319 I don't know what a longer battle would have done. 333 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:54.480 And I hear this all the time from book fans 334 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:57.680 about well, they cut that battle shorter, they cut that 335 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:00.599 battle out, And it's like, do you understand that long 336 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:04.480 battle scenes are first off, insanely expensive to shoot, which 337 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.039 and this show has a budget. They also slow the 338 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:11.240 story down, and not everybody wants to sit through twenty 339 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:15.519 minutes of battle scenes. I think it's a smart idea 340 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:18.079 to keep doing, especially since this whole Dance of the 341 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.880 Dragons thing is nothing but battle after battles, skirmish after 342 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:25.799 skirmish all over the place. You've got to condense some 343 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.400 of that in order to have like drama, in order 344 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:29.559 to have a real story. 345 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:32.880 I agree. I don't like violence most of the time. 346 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:35.319 Yeah, so every time opposed to that. 347 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:37.839 No, I'm not opposed, but I personally don't like it. 348 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:39.640 So when there's a battle like that and people are 349 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:42.400 dying left and right and stab like, I usually just 350 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:44.400 wait until it's over. I'm just like, all right, I'm 351 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.400 just gonna wait until this is over because I'm just 352 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:50.079 not uncomfortable with that thing. Not that I ask people 353 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.640 to not see that in a public a movie theater 354 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:57.880 or something like that, just watch it on TV, but I, yeah, 355 00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:01.000 that's just me. But I thought it was okay. The 356 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:02.920 scene was okay. The bad the battle, I thought the 357 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:03.640 battle was okay. 358 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:08.599 So the episode opens with Ryaniera having an absolute mountdown 359 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:12.240 because she finds out that Agon, the king who is 360 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:15.480 many people consider the rightful king, Agon, is alive and 361 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.920 his dragon is alive. And I thought that was an 362 00:19:19.960 --> 00:19:22.839 interesting scene. Emma Darcy was great, well, Emma Darcy has 363 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:26.920 been great all season long, and they have to do 364 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:33.519 something that uh, you know what is his name? Emily 365 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:35.759 Clark could not pull off. And part of that was 366 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.119 because of the writing for Denaris and House of the Dragon. 367 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.880 But she's doing or I'm sorry they're doing Emma Darcy 368 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.440 is doing a slow turn towards madness and h they're 369 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:50.359 making it extremely clear to the audience without being you know, 370 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:53.160 without and that was the problem with the Danaris turn. 371 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.640 It was just she went from being kind of tense 372 00:19:55.720 --> 00:20:00.279 and to like this snorting super villain overnight and was 373 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:04.319 it always felt weird here. We feel that encroaching sense 374 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:05.960 of targarian madness in her. 375 00:20:06.079 --> 00:20:08.200 I think it has a lot to do with Emma 376 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:10.440 Dorsey's talents as an actor. 377 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:12.039 But I do think the writing's better. 378 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:14.759 The writing is better, and people love it. I mean, 379 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:18.400 if you read discussions online, they absolutely love this queen. 380 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:20.839 They think this queen the madness is what they're we 381 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:23.920 waiting for, right, Like they really wanted to see her 382 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:26.559 full blown, you know, crazy, and well they did. 383 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:29.119 What I thought was interesting about that opening scene though, 384 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:32.559 was that she I'm sorry, well she We're gonna talk 385 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:35.920 about the character. It's very different. It's very difficult because 386 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:39.200 I'm sort of going back and forth between the character 387 00:20:39.279 --> 00:20:44.039 and the actor. They made a very good choice, very 388 00:20:44.079 --> 00:20:47.640 smart choice, or a very interesting choice to play her 389 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:53.960 as weepy and nearly hysterical, right, And that is not 390 00:20:54.119 --> 00:20:57.200 a great image of Ryani Era. It doesn't actually elevate 391 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.519 her as a very strong person or a capable It 392 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.759 actually makes her look completely overwhelmed by this job. And 393 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:07.640 as I said, I've been interested all season long in 394 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.960 the in the fact that the show and the story 395 00:21:12.079 --> 00:21:16.160 comes very clearly down on the idea that she should 396 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:18.759 not be king. She's not capable of it. 397 00:21:19.960 --> 00:21:22.359 I mean, the whole speech thing. You know, everybody was 398 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:23.279 just looking at her. 399 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:27.720 He was great, it was really good. Ranierra demands to 400 00:21:27.839 --> 00:21:31.960 go to the sept and she's gonna demand to be 401 00:21:32.039 --> 00:21:34.720