Speaker 1: We are being hypnotized people like this.
Speaker 2: US readers, politicians, teachers, lecturists.
Speaker 3: We are in a country and in a world that
Speaker 3: is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between
Speaker 3: what we're told is going on on what he's really
Speaker 3: going on is absolutely oh yeah, dude, based and nephlom shit.
Speaker 2: It's like we all know what's going down, but no
Speaker 2: one's saying what happens to the home of the brief
Speaker 2: If you told on this now and no one's talking
Speaker 2: about it aside, be please, and everybody's just walking around
Speaker 2: in the problem. Want to wake up to it down
Speaker 2: in the great but may we need to be ready
Speaker 2: to raise up. Welcome to the edge of day, everybody.
Speaker 4: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephelum
Speaker 4: Death Squad.
Speaker 5: I am David Lee about a k a.
Speaker 4: The raven that is top Lobsters, the father of disinformation
Speaker 4: and against his better judgment, we are honored to welcome
Speaker 4: back j Dyer. Jay for the audience who might not
Speaker 4: be familiar with you, let him know where they can
Speaker 4: find your work and what it is you focus on.
Speaker 3: I thought this was x G podcast, so I'm gonna
Speaker 3: have to leave. I thought, this guy right here is XG.
Speaker 5: So that's not x guys, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: She's like I thought XG.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 1: I thought Bohemian Grove was x G show. I'm gonna leave.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, incredible.
Speaker 3: What Sam was x G? So I'm confused now Who's who?
Speaker 5: I knew we were screwed as soon as we had.
Speaker 4: I looked at Jay screen and I said, is that
Speaker 4: a tufted armchair you're set upon, sir?
Speaker 5: And it is.
Speaker 4: It's a beautiful tofted It is a power move. Look
Speaker 4: at him lounging, dude.
Speaker 3: It's like this is what you drank purple scissor up then.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and I imagine you've had quite a few
Speaker 4: purple scissors on that one as a beautiful sofacer.
Speaker 3: I'm glad to be back with you, guys. I'm sorry
Speaker 3: I couldn't perform cringe cores at your live event, but
Speaker 3: I did have actually the worst two weeks of diarrhea ever,
Speaker 3: so glad to be cut and healthy.
Speaker 5: I felt terrible that you showed up. I gave you
Speaker 5: a hug.
Speaker 4: I looked at you and I said, oh no, because
Speaker 4: it was just so you could tell the facial expression
Speaker 4: on you was you were.
Speaker 5: You were holding it together.
Speaker 3: I was hopefully I didn't pass my aids onto both
Speaker 3: the all since somebody.
Speaker 1: Got aids for sure, you can't get aids twice.
Speaker 3: So we're all said, we're all good, all right.
Speaker 5: We're all good. Baby. I'm really excited to have you back.
Speaker 3: Jay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's toss up his links there of course, go
Speaker 4: and follow jade.
Speaker 1: I or Twitter, Rock Finn Big one Instagram. It's weird
Speaker 1: like you guys, like so many followers like why you
Speaker 1: why are you hanging out with us?
Speaker 5: But hey, you're here against his better judgment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jay, you sent out a tweet and most of
Speaker 1: your tweets are very interesting, but this one I thought
Speaker 1: was timely. And you were talking about the the Brookings
Speaker 1: Institute in the nineteen sixties. So I kind of just
Speaker 1: let's just hop right into this because it's this is like,
Speaker 1: what's going on? I think it has something to do
Speaker 1: with everything. Man, it's all connected. I got to put
Speaker 1: the red wires behind.
Speaker 3: Me, but please Yeah. So this suite was from a
Speaker 3: book that was written by an academic that I came
Speaker 3: across a few years ago. Her name was Brenda Denzler.
Speaker 3: She wrote a book about the UFO cults and the
Speaker 3: whole phenomenon. Excuse me, how there might be a religious
Speaker 3: component to a lot of this stuff and how it
Speaker 3: ties into alien cults UFO cults. But I was actually
Speaker 3: surprised when I saw the candidness of that nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: Brookings Institute report, which was basically saying that they knew
Speaker 3: back then that if they released or claimed to have
Speaker 3: disclosure alien you know, existence, alien life claims, that it
Speaker 3: would really undo the whole Western civilization ethos of Biblical Christianity,
Speaker 3: et cetera. So they've known this for a long time.
Speaker 3: And that's just one, I think, key piece of data
Speaker 3: that I came across. So I think I put that
Speaker 3: one in my second book when I was doing an
Speaker 3: analysis of a lot of alien movies. You know, in
Speaker 3: my view, I think that people are more inclined to
Speaker 3: believe in aliens from movies and video games and all
Speaker 3: the propaganda that we've had since we were kids, as
Speaker 3: opposed to like actual, you know, prove for evidence for
Speaker 3: such things. And I didn't mention this to you guys,
Speaker 3: but I was on another podcast when we were talking
Speaker 3: about this, but it's actually in the Talmud that there's
Speaker 3: eighteen thousand worlds that God created. So if you look
Speaker 3: up a lot of Jewish theology, rabbinic theology, they will
Speaker 3: say that they're big believers in the possibility or the
Speaker 3: existence of alien life. So it's not really part of
Speaker 3: the Biblical story, but it is part of other traditions.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could say it overlaps even with ancient
Speaker 3: pagan traditions of the Gods coming and visiting and this
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. Maybe the Genesis six Nephelin element does
Speaker 3: plan to this in some way. But yeah, I think
Speaker 3: that there's a couple layers of deception going on. You've
Speaker 3: got the long term spiritual deception that goes back millennium,
Speaker 3: back to the Fall, and then you've got more recent
Speaker 3: localized black ops deception that not just deep state actors
Speaker 3: like Brookings Institute, but actual CIA support fostering funding and
Speaker 3: like basically creating I would argue the modern UFO alien
Speaker 3: mythos interesting.
Speaker 5: That's something that we've been go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 1: Jump jump into a cliff high Man because he just
Speaker 1: he's talking about this, dude, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I don't want to be a dead
Speaker 4: horse further to death. But we have been talking about
Speaker 4: how everyone's perception of aliens UFOs is prepackaged and given
Speaker 4: to you by Hollywood, Yeah, and by these various governing bodies,
Speaker 4: you know, aided in things that NASA disseminates. And so
Speaker 4: I think it's important to check in with people, especially
Speaker 4: on the cusp of what does feel a lot like
Speaker 4: some sort of government back disclosure. Yeah, that our opinions
Speaker 4: of these things, whatever they're going to show us, are
Speaker 4: not at all, you know, organic, They are entirely fed
Speaker 4: to us by what you said, video games, Hollywood, video games, certainly,
Speaker 4: I mean it takes it to a whole nother level,
Speaker 4: especially when you consider after the nineties how gripped an
Speaker 4: entire generation, you know, Millennials for certain, were by video
Speaker 4: games and that narrative, that alien narrative.
Speaker 5: There's no shortage of it, and it really fleshes it out.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: It gives a lot of really compelling theories to chew
Speaker 4: on things that sort of parallel gnostic or New age
Speaker 4: belief systems that already exist. And so yeah, I just
Speaker 4: I think it's really important to point out to people
Speaker 4: like you don't have an idea about what these are.
Speaker 5: Your ideas about what these are are given to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think there's really in my view, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm always open to debating anybody who does believe in aliens.
Speaker 3: I've wanted to do an alien debate for many years.
Speaker 3: I haven't really found anybody who was open to doing it.
Speaker 3: But anybody who does believe that there are extraterrestrial biological
Speaker 3: entities or whatever, I'm happy to do that. I tend
Speaker 3: to think that there is a spiritual thing going on
Speaker 3: that's going on on Earth. I agree with Jacques Belle,
Speaker 3: who was a government affiliated person a computer science is
Speaker 3: working with the I think DARPA and other entities before
Speaker 3: he passed away. But he's not even a Christian. He
Speaker 3: doesn't have any sort of, you know, spiritual sensibilities in
Speaker 3: that sense. And Vali was famous for saying there's some
Speaker 3: kind of large scale deception going on here because they're
Speaker 3: not from other planets. Whatever this is, it's actually terrestrial.
Speaker 3: And he says that he thinks that there's basically a
Speaker 3: spiritual deception going on and a government deep state thing
Speaker 3: going on. So he's a very well known famous researcher
Speaker 3: in fact, Spielberg's Close Encounters of the of the Third Kind,
Speaker 3: that famous movie, which I think in many ways solidified
Speaker 3: a lot of people's thought processes on where aliens come from,
Speaker 3: what they are, as well as H. G. Wells's you know,
Speaker 3: War of the World. This is a classic that I
Speaker 3: don't know. You guys have probably heard of the Orson
Speaker 3: Wells broadcast of H. G. Wells's Thing, which was a
Speaker 3: Princeton Research Project PSYOPS study to see how people reacted
Speaker 3: to the announcement of alien invasion and alien life, and
Speaker 3: that was being studied. There was a whole book written
Speaker 3: by a Tavistock connected guy, Hadley ken Trell. He wrote
Speaker 3: a book, Invaders from Mars, on how people reacted to
Speaker 3: the announcement of a fake alien invasion, and of course
Speaker 3: everybody believed it because the authority structures on the radio
Speaker 3: told them that it was a real alien invasion. So
Speaker 3: Tavistock learned a lot from that. These are all real people,
Speaker 3: real books you can look up. I put Heally ken
Speaker 3: Trill in my first book, because you got somebody working
Speaker 3: literally with the Tabsaw Institute about how people writing a
Speaker 3: giant book about how people react to a fake alien invasion,
Speaker 3: like in the nineteen forties or fifties. So every time
Speaker 3: in my experience that I look into people who are
Speaker 3: key players in these stories or in this mythos. For example,
Speaker 3: if we go back to the first couple famous abductees,
Speaker 3: you have Georgia Damski. He's into Theostrian resocriutionism. He has
Speaker 3: this wild story being abducted and ends up being very
Speaker 3: similar to a science fiction novel that's written around the
Speaker 3: same time. And you know, he's just kind of weird,
Speaker 3: like backwoods Like he looks like a drug addict dude
Speaker 3: from the backwoods, and you're like, why would anybody care
Speaker 3: what this guy says about abduction. Well, the head of
Speaker 3: the CIA cared enough to threaten to sue anyone who
Speaker 3: would challenge his story. So this propelled Georgia Dampski's story
Speaker 3: into the limelight to be like the big famous first
Speaker 3: full on I was taken to the ship stuff. And
Speaker 3: then a few years later you get this weird civil
Speaker 3: rights activist couple who's also into the occult, Betty and
Speaker 3: Barney Hill. They claim to have another abduction story. They
Speaker 3: start an alien cult, and they're also eventually called out
Speaker 3: as frauds too, So the big stories are generally bound
Speaker 3: up with a lot of deception and fraud and similar
Speaker 3: parallel to that. At the same time, Rank Corporation put
Speaker 3: out a report called, I think for the Air Force
Speaker 3: called a Project Sign and this is nineteen forty nine,
Speaker 3: and a guy from a Rank Corporation named doctor James
Speaker 3: Lipp was part of this white paper and he says,
Speaker 3: this is the first official paper that they put out
Speaker 3: on this phenomenon. And he says, well, although I deny
Speaker 3: the existence of aliens or any possibility of it, he says,
Speaker 3: there's something going on here, and it relates to nukes
Speaker 3: and atomics and disarmament and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So from the very earliest days of the Rank Corporation
Speaker 3: putting out of paper, it was kind of tied to
Speaker 3: the idea of atomic nuclear disarmament. There's a reason I'm
Speaker 3: going to explain why that is. I think even in
Speaker 3: this first debunking paper. Then you get not too long
Speaker 3: after that propaganda that comes out in Hollywood, for example,
Speaker 3: the movie Day the Earth Stood Still, which everybody should
Speaker 3: that because that movie has this Jesus like character comes
Speaker 3: down as an alien. He's a Carpenter, and then he
Speaker 3: warns everybody, if you don't create a world government and
Speaker 3: if you don't disarm and disarmament means in all like
Speaker 3: everything that you in wants, right, not just getting rid
Speaker 3: of you know, ICBMs or whatever, but also you not
Speaker 3: having guns. Right, So it's total disarmament, socialist cut new age,
Speaker 3: you know, religion type of message. That's the point of
Speaker 3: that whole movie. That was a huge like one of
Speaker 3: the first big alien blockbusters around the same time as
Speaker 3: for the World, and the message is international socialism. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's the modern remake with Keanu, but the old one
Speaker 3: is so that you have this guy from the CIA
Speaker 3: consulting on it, if I recalled C. D. Jackson and Ceedee.
Speaker 3: Jackson is also the head of the Doctrinal Warfare Program,
Speaker 3: And the Doctrinal Warfare Program was the CI's plan to
Speaker 3: get the churches in America on board with the Cold War,
Speaker 3: to make them instruments of Americanism. So the gospel theology
Speaker 3: all that secondary too, being a kind of soft power
Speaker 3: for America in the Cold War. Mainly they were interested
Speaker 3: in the Catholic Church because it was globally the biggest
Speaker 3: at that time. So they wanted to steer it towards Americanism.
Speaker 3: But the point is that the guy who's in charge
Speaker 3: of that church infiltration program, this is all very public,
Speaker 3: declassified stuff, it's called the Doctrinal Warfare program, he's also
Speaker 3: consulting on alien movies. What because it's building narratives, it's
Speaker 3: building stories that myths that people need. I believe they
Speaker 3: were trying to build this new alien myth at this time.
Speaker 3: And this is when nineteen late forties fifties sudden explosion
Speaker 3: of alien movies out the wazoo from Hollywood. And it's
Speaker 3: not accidental that not just CD Jackson, but I think XANUK,
Speaker 3: like the other movie studios, they were also working with
Speaker 3: the OSS, the Office of Wartime Information to pump out
Speaker 3: these alien movies.
Speaker 4: I think, as a sioupum, it seems like there is
Speaker 4: a lot of things. I didn't realize that the character
Speaker 4: that Keanu plays in the Day the Earth Stood Still
Speaker 4: was sort of a Messianic figure or Jesus figure archetype.
Speaker 4: And what's interesting about that is I think it was
Speaker 4: like Alice Bailey through the works of Heleno Blovotsky predicted
Speaker 4: that in twenty twenty five or sometime after twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five a d there would be.
Speaker 5: Sort of the return of Christ. And I'm only peripherally
Speaker 5: aware of that.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can google it, you can see that
Speaker 4: it's within Alice Bailey's predictions. But we're in this really
Speaker 4: weird place right now where we have this drone incursion
Speaker 4: and you make of that what you will. But when
Speaker 4: you conjoin that with this annual pump fake that the
Speaker 4: government seems to do. The Pentagon talks about recovering off
Speaker 4: world craft, non human biologics, they're using sort of coded
Speaker 4: language to I think prime the public to get ready
Speaker 4: because you don't want to just dump it on them
Speaker 4: all at once. And now you have, you know, the
Speaker 4: federal government arguing with the local municipalities as to the
Speaker 4: nature of these things that are invading our airspace. And
Speaker 4: I can't help but look at it and feel like
Speaker 4: we are on the cusp of this final you know
Speaker 4: that this disclosure program coming to fruition.
Speaker 5: And it's been a long game, dude. I mean, you're
Speaker 5: talking about the forties.
Speaker 4: The other day, Top was talking on the show about
Speaker 4: the Battle of Los Angeles, and it just seems like
Speaker 4: for the longest time they do these things. They pop
Speaker 4: up in our in our you know, field of awareness,
Speaker 4: and then they fizzle out into nothingness, and it's I think,
Speaker 4: reaching a critical mass. But there is a character, and
Speaker 4: to my own detriment, I'm going to bring them up
Speaker 4: again while the chat goes wild but has frozen.
Speaker 5: Just give it away your fingers.
Speaker 3: Here we go. This is crazy.
Speaker 5: I don't understand it.
Speaker 4: So there's a character named Cliff High who is a
Speaker 4: systems expert, a programmer.
Speaker 5: He writes code.
Speaker 4: He developed a web bot in the early nineties, and
Speaker 4: this webbot scrapes data off the Internet.
Speaker 5: And uses it to make predictions.
Speaker 4: And one of the things that it predicted was this
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan Donald Trump interview, and it labeled that as
Speaker 4: a pivotal moment, a temporal marker. If this thing happens,
Speaker 4: it's a significant moment in history. And then this other
Speaker 4: thing is going to happen shortly afterwards. So Cliff High says,
Speaker 4: the data is telling me thirty nine days after this event,
Speaker 4: this podcast, we're going to get the beginning of what
Speaker 4: he calls melee and which I pronounced wrong and will
Speaker 4: continue to pronounce wrong.
Speaker 5: So this is supposed to be thank you Melee, Uh.
Speaker 4: Because no way, Jose, Oh wow, the cliff I cocks
Speaker 4: are again ye shout out. So basically this moment would
Speaker 4: be marked by an aerial event. Cliff High maintains that
Speaker 4: it's going to be alien in nature. You can make
Speaker 4: whatever you want of him. I'm highly skeptical of him.
Speaker 4: Is also a well his father worked for the military
Speaker 4: and because of that they would have dinner often with
Speaker 4: CIA agents. So make of that which you will, right,
Speaker 4: especially if you consider that this is all a psychological
Speaker 4: operation that's been going on for the past seventy years
Speaker 4: or whatever it is, so long story short. He says,
Speaker 4: these drones that we're seeing in the sky that didn't
Speaker 4: fast show up around the timeframe that he gave us,
Speaker 4: one of them is going to be a human being element.
Speaker 4: The other two are going to be alien elements, which
Speaker 4: I would push back against because I don't think that
Speaker 4: these things are aliens, given the discussion that we just
Speaker 4: had about how none of our opinions of them are organic.
Speaker 4: They're all given to us by Hollywood and such. So
Speaker 4: I think that this discussion trying to iron out the
Speaker 4: deep tale of these things. Because I agree with you,
Speaker 4: Jay I don't think that these things are or maybe
Speaker 4: I'm misrepresenting what you said earlier, but I don't think
Speaker 4: that these things come from outside of our planet.
Speaker 5: I don't think they come from space.
Speaker 4: And it even seems that within the UFO UAP community
Speaker 4: in the past couple of years, they've become very comfortable
Speaker 4: with this narrative that they come from the either interdimensional
Speaker 4: or from our oceans, or some sort of mixture of
Speaker 4: the two. And I think that right now where we sit,
Speaker 4: it might be an incredibly important time.
Speaker 5: We might be on the cusp of this big reveal.
Speaker 4: And the problem with that, Jay, is that if you
Speaker 4: haven't done your research, if you're somebody who never gave
Speaker 4: these things any credence, well then you're going to be
Speaker 4: left at the mercy of the government to tell you
Speaker 4: what the truth is about these things. So, Jay, what
Speaker 4: are your ideas in regards to these entities, because the
Speaker 4: way that they're presented to us is huge. It's like
Speaker 4: there's some abduction stories, there's some Hollywood stuff, there's some
Speaker 4: miscellaneous footage from maybe NASA that you are meant to
Speaker 4: give more credibility to. Maybe the military industrial complex is
Speaker 4: pumping out, you know, jets encounters with these things, where
Speaker 4: do you place them.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of things I would suggest everybody look
Speaker 3: at if they haven't. There's a great documentary called Mirage Men,
Speaker 3: which is an interview with a bunch of people who
Speaker 3: have been involved openly in disseminating the alien mythos story
Speaker 3: people from intelligence. There's one of the most famous is
Speaker 3: Richard Dodie, who was Air Force counterintelligence and he's a
Speaker 3: significant portion of that documentary in terms of the interviews,
Speaker 3: and he talks about the way that they would profile
Speaker 3: and find people that were perfect fits for giving disinformation
Speaker 3: to let them then disseminate a lot of alien bs.
Speaker 3: And he did this for about two decades, and so
Speaker 3: they talk about two different people from sixties, seventies and
Speaker 3: then into the eighties. You get these new crop of
Speaker 3: characters and it's a pretty fascinating pattern if you pay
Speaker 3: attention to it. So I would recommend also go back
Speaker 3: and watch the old interview that Joe Rogan did with
Speaker 3: Bob Lazar, because he seems to be the more recent
Speaker 3: version of this choosing of people to disseminate information. The
Speaker 3: most most recent past Bob Lazar would be Tom DeLong
Speaker 3: from Linklin eighty two and all of these cast of characters.
Speaker 3: When you go all the way back to the I
Speaker 3: think his name is Bob Moore, the boomer dude in
Speaker 3: the eighties that they chose, like Richard Doty is just
Speaker 3: sitting there saying, Yeah, what we do is we basically
Speaker 3: find people that are really into the alien story, who
Speaker 3: really believe it. They are typically profiled as kind of narcissistic,
Speaker 3: you know, feel like they've been not recognized types of people.
Speaker 3: We bring him into the military base, We tell him,
Speaker 3: you're special. You're gonna be our ambassador. We made a
Speaker 3: deal with aliens. You're gonna tell everybody that there's this concord,
Speaker 3: this pact that was made, so go forth disseminate, but
Speaker 3: keep a secret. And then they would even in some
Speaker 3: cases like they would bring a general and play a
Speaker 3: VHS tape of like some you know, shitty Hollywood B
Speaker 3: movie type craft taken off, and they would tell these
Speaker 3: people this, uh, and they of course they believe it, right.
Speaker 3: And the first guy that they chose was Paul Benowitz.
Speaker 3: He was like super boomer patriot dude who would never well,
Speaker 3: the generals wouldn't lie to me, so he, for you know,
Speaker 3: several years disseminated literally what Air Force Disinformation wanted disseminate it.
Speaker 3: The next character was that Bob Moore guy, I think
Speaker 3: his name was Bob Moore. And then they have examples
Speaker 3: like Lynhamilton, how documentary. Then we come up to the
Speaker 3: next phase, which is Bobb Blazarre and now with today's
Speaker 3: we've got like Blink one eighty two.
Speaker 4: Dude, by the way, didn't Bob Lazar actually say that
Speaker 4: he's not sure what they showed him that he was
Speaker 4: meant to convey in other words, like he doesn't know
Speaker 4: what was real and what wasn't real, because he recognizes
Speaker 4: there was some element that was fake and meant to
Speaker 4: spread the word in other.
Speaker 3: Words, exactly. And the verse engineered alien technology story that's
Speaker 3: kind of first at Roswell, and it's just recycled right
Speaker 3: from all the way back from Paul Benowitz up through
Speaker 3: all these characters that they kind of recycle the same stuff.
Speaker 3: And if you've listened to Tom DeLong, he says the
Speaker 3: same things like they brought the general to me, and
Speaker 3: the general told me all they wouldn't lie to me, right,
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think military people learn like
Speaker 3: intelligence people learn first of all too lighting to see
Speaker 3: what are you talking about? It's just idiotic, right anyway.
Speaker 3: So and then you notice too there's a lot of
Speaker 3: weird like scammy stuff connected to culty, stuff connected to
Speaker 3: always But yeah, so you know the Bibble Zar story.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't have to repeat all that, but
Speaker 3: that if you listen, if you know Biblezar story, and
Speaker 3: then you watch that documentary, you can tell they're doing
Speaker 3: the same thing in every decade. They're like, they're just
Speaker 3: picking these people to disseminate. So that's another for me,
Speaker 3: key indicator that I'm not saying there's no spiritual unexplained phenomenon.
Speaker 3: I think there are, but a lot of it is
Speaker 3: this side stuff. If you read the Collins Brothers book,
Speaker 3: you guys should get the Collins Brothers on by the way,
Speaker 3: they're really good experts on the topic, not so much
Speaker 3: of like the theology stuff, but specifically on the topic
Speaker 3: of the relationship between the CIA and the alien phenomenon.
Speaker 3: They wrote a great book called Invoking the Beyond. It's
Speaker 3: a really big, thick book, but about the middle three
Speaker 3: or fourgner pages is literally just dedicated to intelligence CIA, Black, OPS, FBI, NSC,
Speaker 3: and I all of these groups and their relationship to
Speaker 3: all this alien gibber jabber. It's called invoking the beyond. Anyway,
Speaker 3: they make a really good point too, about a lot
Speaker 3: of these people kind of being chosen and crafted for,
Speaker 3: groomed for this kind of dissemination deception. So that's a
Speaker 3: long winded answer, I know to what your question was,
Speaker 3: what do I think about these entities? I do think
Speaker 3: that there are entities that are demonic that can pass
Speaker 3: themselves off as aliens, and so there can be a
Speaker 3: real interaction in that way. Because for example, if you
Speaker 3: read MK ultra doctor John C. Lilly's book, his autobiography,
Speaker 3: he says, you know, when I would do high doses
Speaker 3: of whatever hallucinogen, I would going to the float tank.
Speaker 3: He's like, I would dissociate, I would you know, have
Speaker 3: out out about experience, and I would see these entities
Speaker 3: and they would give me ideas for what types of
Speaker 3: implantable chips I was developing. So again again maybe he's bullshitting,
Speaker 3: but he's like one of the most famous mk ultra
Speaker 3: doctors who developed you know, r F I D chips
Speaker 3: to implant into humans and monkeys and dolphins. He had
Speaker 3: a fetish for dolphins, by the way, exactly, But I
Speaker 3: mean in his autobiography he's literally saying, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: getting these ideas from aliens. So the drug people too,
Speaker 3: like in the sphere of like, I've never done DMT.
Speaker 3: I've watched tons of interviews with people that have done DMT. Though,
Speaker 3: if you watch a bunch of d MT experience videos
Speaker 3: on YouTube, you'll notice like half of them say, yeah,
Speaker 3: the clockwork goes told me like we need to create
Speaker 3: a world government, like get rid of everybody bro like
Speaker 3: save the Earth or whatever. Right, They always they have
Speaker 3: a similar message. Ye, I had a bad trip when
Speaker 3: I was eighteen seventeen, and I didn't get any like
Speaker 3: one world government messages, but I did feel like or
Speaker 3: believe I was interacting with this entity in my bad trip,
Speaker 3: So I can say that I think that does go
Speaker 3: on many the other psychoonauts, like Tim Leary. You know,
Speaker 3: there's a think that they're interacting with interdimensional beings. So
Speaker 3: this is also an element of it too, which I
Speaker 3: think is possible. Why because it's very plausible that if
Speaker 3: Alan Dallas, who's would have been aware of the MK
Speaker 3: ulture projects that were going on and the secret research
Speaker 3: into various truth serum drugs or whatever. If he's running
Speaker 3: cover for the first abductee, Georgia Damski, is very plausible
Speaker 3: that they could have been giving Georgia Dampski high doses
Speaker 3: of acid, flashing some lights in his eyes. Right he
Speaker 3: would have known. I I'm just some like you know,
Speaker 3: imagine your granddad, right, being given acid unaware. He doesn't
Speaker 3: know what acid is, right, some like country.
Speaker 1: Your granddad, it didn't really even exist at the time. Right,
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like a govern it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't known exactly, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what's interesting too, Jay, and I wonder
Speaker 4: your thoughts on this. Not to derail you, but it
Speaker 4: seems whether you're in a you know, float tank and
Speaker 4: you're commuting with something, or if you are in a
Speaker 4: d MT setting and you're communicating with something you didn't
Speaker 4: you know, to a d MT, there is this notion
Speaker 4: that these entities want to like give you something, They
Speaker 4: want to get you information, they want to give you
Speaker 4: how to do with technology, what you should be doing.
Speaker 5: And that's like you know, Top and I.
Speaker 4: We connect that often to the idea that people have
Speaker 4: old their their deities would have been responsible for giving
Speaker 4: them like metallurgy or teaching them agriculture or something or another.
Speaker 4: It's always an information technology.
Speaker 3: Exchange, absolutely, And the other parallel was going to make
Speaker 3: was so if you think about the possibility of you know,
Speaker 3: black ops guys see people trying to you know, say
Speaker 3: unwittingly dosed people and see what happens, that could very
Speaker 3: easily transition into creating possibly some of the first abductee stories.
Speaker 3: Right Like, they're intentionally you know, dosing people, furthering them
Speaker 3: putting out the myth like the other people who disseminate
Speaker 3: the mythology. I'm not saying they were all dose without say,
Speaker 3: I'm just using the possibility of this with say a
Speaker 3: damn ski And also if you look at the parallels
Speaker 3: between what people who undergo ritual abuse to say, right
Speaker 3: like in the cases of Satanic ritual abuse, they're very
Speaker 3: parallel to the stories of alien abductees and my booty
Speaker 3: got probed and all this kind of stuff, And there
Speaker 3: have actually been people prosecuted. If you look up the
Speaker 3: BBC article, there was a guy who kidnapped a girl
Speaker 3: and drugged her and was using mind control techniques. The
Speaker 3: famous case. I think in the UK he was like
Speaker 3: some Nordic dude yawn something, and he got prosecuted and
Speaker 3: caught because he was using an alien mythology and druggingist
Speaker 3: girl trying to brainwash her with like you know. So
Speaker 3: in other words, if like random you know, science dudes
Speaker 3: are out there doing this, I feel sure that probably
Speaker 3: the CIA has been involved into this too. And if
Speaker 3: you think that they're beyond doing that, well, I'm sure
Speaker 3: you guys have heard of Operation Midnight Climax, right where
Speaker 3: the CI pairs up with some ladies of the evening
Speaker 3: to dose unwitting John's and to study their results. Like
Speaker 3: you don't think they would dose some redneck dude just
Speaker 3: you know, let him think that he was being abducted.
Speaker 3: So I'm just posing that as a theory that there
Speaker 3: could be the demons and there can be demonic CIA
Speaker 3: dudes right in black.
Speaker 5: People, right, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I tend to feel like I tend to
Speaker 1: feel like it's a little bit of both, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to determine which is which, which is why, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of really lends to them. If
Speaker 1: half the stories are bullshit, then you can kind of
Speaker 1: dismiss some of that stuff, but it also helps them
Speaker 1: because you're still liferating their narrative. Is now the question
Speaker 1: is is the narrative at the heart is it true?
Speaker 1: And the more I look into them kind of like
Speaker 1: it's a little freaky, but it does look like it's
Speaker 1: there is something to this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, the there's another angle too, which is overlooked
Speaker 3: that the aliens. The Collins brothers wrote an article a
Speaker 3: long time ago was really good. I think it's part
Speaker 3: of the book now, but it was called alien smokescreen,
Speaker 3: and in that article they were arguing that this is
Speaker 3: actually before any Jacobson wrote her book which kind of
Speaker 3: has the same thesis about Area fifty one, that sometimes
Speaker 3: the military black ops they can use this alien crap
Speaker 3: as cover for black ops stuff too. So that's another
Speaker 3: angle to this, to where like if they're bringing it,
Speaker 3: if the CI is flying in like you know, planes
Speaker 3: full of cocaine, right, you can have some kind of
Speaker 3: alien cover nonsense. The distracts the alien stories might also
Speaker 3: be useful for like covering technology that maybe that we
Speaker 3: don't want the Russians to know about, right, so they
Speaker 3: put up this alien story. So there's a lot of
Speaker 3: other It's called function stocking as what they call it,
Speaker 3: where they have like multiple uses for the alien mythos.
Speaker 4: What's the same thing like when you never let a
Speaker 4: good whatever disaster go on taking it out. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm really paraphrasing here, but yeah, it's that same kind
Speaker 4: of concept. I wonder too, because whenever it comes to
Speaker 4: abductee victims, there often is a human element. You know,
Speaker 4: You'll some people will return with some sort of recollection
Speaker 4: of like a military environment or like a sterile sort
Speaker 4: of lab environment, and also the presence of human beings.
Speaker 3: So well, the men in black seem to show up, right,
Speaker 3: are those the black ops operatives that are showing you
Speaker 3: know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's somebody that I tend to give some
Speaker 4: credence to abductee victims, primarily because once you have absorbed
Speaker 4: enough testimony, you realize that there are through lines, there
Speaker 4: are patterns. And there's one woman in particular that sticks
Speaker 4: out to me. Her name is Karen Wilkinson. Meaning to
Speaker 4: have her on the show, it's just scheduling issues, but
Speaker 4: she talks about she's an individual who can remember a
Speaker 4: lot more of her abductions than like a lot of
Speaker 4: other people. And one of the things that she described
Speaker 4: was how she came across on a ship a pile
Speaker 4: of discarded gray bodies and that they smelled horrible, but
Speaker 4: they were inactive, and it was just a note that
Speaker 4: she made. And this idea has given rise, or further
Speaker 4: given rise to the idea that the grays themselves are
Speaker 4: a sort of automaton, like a bio mechanical entity, not
Speaker 4: really living, but made up to some degree of biological material.
Speaker 4: And I just think that if you factor that into
Speaker 4: this entire equation, then what we're trying to do split
Speaker 4: these things up into simple camps of like its demons
Speaker 4: or its aliens, it's actually a lot more complex.
Speaker 5: It seems there's a huge human l and a spiritual element.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: We had Tucker Carlson recently saying that this UFO phenomenon
Speaker 4: has a massive spiritual element to it, and we in
Speaker 4: the West have been detached from our understanding of spirituality,
Speaker 4: So it seems like it's a multifaceted thing. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: it's been going on for a long time and they've
Speaker 4: been Honestly, for us to never get some sort of
Speaker 4: disclosure operation would make no sense given the time and
Speaker 4: the money and the effort that has been dumped into
Speaker 4: this thing for as long as it has been.
Speaker 1: Well, I got a question, Jay, So it seems like
Speaker 1: you're well studied in like the history of these psyops
Speaker 1: from the forties till now. Is it just because we're
Speaker 1: living through another one of these syops that it seems
Speaker 1: like it's been ramped up to ten or do you
Speaker 1: think that this is what we're witnessing now, this idea
Speaker 1: of like soft disclosure where they're just playing footsy with us,
Speaker 1: Is that something unique that we should be worried about?
Speaker 1: Or am my mom, am I my mom saying like
Speaker 1: the world's gonna end, you know, revelation that at thirty
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 3: My guess would be that they probably test the waters
Speaker 3: to see if the public reaction is at the point
Speaker 3: where they would accept it at a large scale. That's
Speaker 3: just my guess. I think a lot of things are
Speaker 3: teased to see how people react. Then they wait right
Speaker 3: to see if there's a better time. So I guess
Speaker 3: would be if they're if they're really wanting to do
Speaker 3: a large scale announcement of disclosure, they could do that
Speaker 3: very soon. They could, you know, maybe it relates to
Speaker 3: inauguration or something like that. Who knows, Like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody saw you know, koof coming in
Speaker 3: the year two thousand when they roll that out, which
Speaker 3: was a massive style. But I mean, yeah, I think
Speaker 3: I think they probably uh do a lot of research
Speaker 3: on They probably use AI too to see, like, you know,
Speaker 3: how many people are reacting as if they think this
Speaker 3: phenomenon is you know, other off world stuff. How many
Speaker 3: of the drones blah blah blah. So they probably just
Speaker 3: wait until the you know, tipping point of majority believe whatever.
Speaker 3: One thing I forgot to mention a minute ago that
Speaker 3: you guys will probably find funny is that you've heard
Speaker 3: of that. Have you guys heard of the Esslin Institute?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No? So this is like a it still exists. It's
Speaker 3: in Big Sur, California. So if you go out to California,
Speaker 3: drive up past La to Big Sur, which is like
Speaker 3: really really beautiful area to drive through. Especially there's this
Speaker 3: big institute that was set up late sixties early seventies
Speaker 3: called the Esslin Institute, and it's basically the think tank
Speaker 3: of the boomer new age counterculture. Right, so basically they
Speaker 3: would have every prominent new Ager in person comes speak there,
Speaker 3: like Alvis Huxley, Deepalk Chopra, Carl Young has spoken there,
Speaker 3: like everybody has spoken at Esslin. Yeah, it still exists there,
Speaker 3: it is and it's like it is beautiful, really cool
Speaker 3: at that area. But so so I bought Esslon's official
Speaker 3: history like this the books over there on the shelf.
Speaker 3: But like they've they've had like Yoko Ono, John Denver,
Speaker 3: you know, celebrities come there all the time. It's basically
Speaker 3: just a big pusher for new age stuff. A lot
Speaker 3: of what Blovatski was pushing a long time ago is
Speaker 3: kind of churned out through Esslon and h In the
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies, they were hosting all these lectures and ceremonies
Speaker 3: about how to have sex with the aliens. So they
Speaker 3: were like they were pushing like so this is just
Speaker 3: funny because in my mind, like so the boomers are
Speaker 3: so into the alien psyop that like the first thing
Speaker 3: that they thought was how do we fuck them? Like
Speaker 3: where do I get alien ass? And that's what they're
Speaker 3: doing lectures on. So but to get more serious, like
Speaker 3: there's actually an element of Croleianism involved in this too,
Speaker 3: because Croley's whole cult was about sex magic and through
Speaker 3: uh sex rituals, basically getting possessed. So you have to
Speaker 3: keep in mind that a lot of the occultists also
Speaker 3: identify aliens as the gods and the demons. So you
Speaker 3: even have this branch of like serious Satanists who think
Speaker 3: that it's demons and it's aliens and their gods and
Speaker 3: we want to be possessed by them. And if you
Speaker 3: read you guys familiar with Childhood's in by Arthur Clark, No,
Speaker 3: you should watch the The Sci Fi Channel made a
Speaker 3: series of it.
Speaker 4: You should watch it Childhood's And yeah, yeah, I watched.
Speaker 4: I bought the entire season recently on Amazon.
Speaker 3: Ok. Yeah, yeah, So basically I won't spoil it for you,
Speaker 3: but Carrellen is the alien literally looks like Satan right
Speaker 3: like in the book, like I've read the book, Like
Speaker 3: he's portrayed as exactly what you see in the in
Speaker 3: the show. Yeah, and you know they want your children
Speaker 3: and they're gonna, you know, like create a new human
Speaker 3: race and all this what they do.
Speaker 4: First, it's like they give us technology, they give you tech,
Speaker 4: a utopia, and then they finally revealed themselves to us
Speaker 4: and it's Satan.
Speaker 3: And Clark was in the circles of Croley people, so
Speaker 3: he was like hanging out with at. I forget the
Speaker 3: lodge that Crowley used to have in Italy.
Speaker 5: Whatever, we got our first depictions of an alien gray.
Speaker 3: Right from the land that he would have.
Speaker 5: He would have interacted with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this, this whole thing, it's like the government,
Speaker 4: the intelligence agencies, the UFO phenomenon, and and you know, yeah, Satan.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying, like the SRA stud experiences, it's
Speaker 3: all hand in hand, very similar to like abduction experiences.
Speaker 3: And by the way, this is another element that probably
Speaker 3: you've heard people make this connection, but that something that
Speaker 3: occurred to me. I was watching a documentary one time
Speaker 3: on sleep paralysis, and I was like, this sounds a
Speaker 3: lot like alien stuff.
Speaker 5: So my my grandmother.
Speaker 4: Actually, before we go there, I just want to let
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Speaker 4: drop in its entirety on our various platforms, So we're
Speaker 4: gonna end those streams now. On that note, Jay, my
Speaker 4: grandmother was a lifelong abductee victim, and.
Speaker 2: It is
Speaker 5: Interesting that