1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,639 Speaker 1: We are being hypnotized people like this. 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,839 Speaker 2: US readers, politicians, teachers, lecturists. 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 3: We are in a country and in a world that 4 00:00:14,119 --> 00:00:20,519 is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between 5 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:22,679 what we're told is going on on what he's really 6 00:00:22,719 --> 00:00:27,719 going on is absolutely oh yeah, dude, based and nephlom shit. 7 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:30,559 Speaker 2: It's like we all know what's going down, but no 8 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,960 one's saying what happens to the home of the brief 9 00:00:34,399 --> 00:00:36,359 If you told on this now and no one's talking 10 00:00:36,399 --> 00:00:40,679 about it aside, be please, and everybody's just walking around 11 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,679 in the problem. Want to wake up to it down 12 00:00:42,759 --> 00:00:45,880 in the great but may we need to be ready 13 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:51,920 to raise up. Welcome to the edge of day, everybody. 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,759 Speaker 4: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephelum 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:58,640 Death Squad. 16 00:00:58,799 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 5: I am David Lee about a k a. 17 00:01:01,079 --> 00:01:04,879 Speaker 4: The raven that is top Lobsters, the father of disinformation 18 00:01:05,159 --> 00:01:09,439 and against his better judgment, we are honored to welcome 19 00:01:09,519 --> 00:01:12,760 back j Dyer. Jay for the audience who might not 20 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:15,480 be familiar with you, let him know where they can 21 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:17,280 find your work and what it is you focus on. 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 3: I thought this was x G podcast, so I'm gonna 23 00:01:20,879 --> 00:01:23,280 have to leave. I thought, this guy right here is XG. 24 00:01:23,519 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 5: So that's not x guys, I'm out of here. 25 00:01:27,519 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: She's like I thought XG. 26 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:28,719 Speaker 3: This. 27 00:01:28,879 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: I thought Bohemian Grove was x G show. I'm gonna leave. 28 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,599 Speaker 5: Oh my god, incredible. 29 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:37,799 Speaker 3: What Sam was x G? So I'm confused now Who's who? 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 5: I knew we were screwed as soon as we had. 31 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 4: I looked at Jay screen and I said, is that 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,920 a tufted armchair you're set upon, sir? 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:44,599 Speaker 5: And it is. 34 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 4: It's a beautiful tofted It is a power move. Look 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,200 at him lounging, dude. 36 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: It's like this is what you drank purple scissor up then. 37 00:01:53,599 --> 00:01:56,239 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and I imagine you've had quite a few 38 00:01:56,239 --> 00:01:59,280 purple scissors on that one as a beautiful sofacer. 39 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,879 Speaker 3: I'm glad to be back with you, guys. I'm sorry 40 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:04,840 I couldn't perform cringe cores at your live event, but 41 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:08,639 I did have actually the worst two weeks of diarrhea ever, 42 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,000 so glad to be cut and healthy. 43 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 5: I felt terrible that you showed up. I gave you 44 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:14,560 a hug. 45 00:02:14,599 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 4: I looked at you and I said, oh no, because 46 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,400 it was just so you could tell the facial expression 47 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,800 on you was you were. 48 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:20,759 Speaker 5: You were holding it together. 49 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,759 Speaker 3: I was hopefully I didn't pass my aids onto both 50 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,599 the all since somebody. 51 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: Got aids for sure, you can't get aids twice. 52 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: So we're all said, we're all good, all right. 53 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 5: We're all good. Baby. I'm really excited to have you back. 54 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:33,719 Speaker 3: Jay. 55 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:36,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's toss up his links there of course, go 56 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:37,560 and follow jade. 57 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: I or Twitter, Rock Finn Big one Instagram. It's weird 58 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,719 like you guys, like so many followers like why you 59 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:44,960 why are you hanging out with us? 60 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,879 Speaker 5: But hey, you're here against his better judgment. 61 00:02:48,039 --> 00:02:50,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, Jay, you sent out a tweet and most of 62 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,280 your tweets are very interesting, but this one I thought 63 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:57,039 was timely. And you were talking about the the Brookings 64 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,319 Institute in the nineteen sixties. So I kind of just 65 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,919 let's just hop right into this because it's this is like, 66 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,039 what's going on? I think it has something to do 67 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:06,879 with everything. Man, it's all connected. I got to put 68 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:08,000 the red wires behind. 69 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: Me, but please Yeah. So this suite was from a 70 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:14,800 book that was written by an academic that I came 71 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,639 across a few years ago. Her name was Brenda Denzler. 72 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:20,879 She wrote a book about the UFO cults and the 73 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:26,520 whole phenomenon. Excuse me, how there might be a religious 74 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,719 component to a lot of this stuff and how it 75 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,960 ties into alien cults UFO cults. But I was actually 76 00:03:33,039 --> 00:03:37,400 surprised when I saw the candidness of that nineteen sixty 77 00:03:37,439 --> 00:03:40,919 Brookings Institute report, which was basically saying that they knew 78 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,879 back then that if they released or claimed to have 79 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,879 disclosure alien you know, existence, alien life claims, that it 80 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:54,000 would really undo the whole Western civilization ethos of Biblical Christianity, 81 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:56,599 et cetera. So they've known this for a long time. 82 00:03:56,759 --> 00:03:59,120 And that's just one, I think, key piece of data 83 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:00,639 that I came across. So I think I put that 84 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,159 one in my second book when I was doing an 85 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:05,439 analysis of a lot of alien movies. You know, in 86 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:08,879 my view, I think that people are more inclined to 87 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:13,280 believe in aliens from movies and video games and all 88 00:04:13,319 --> 00:04:16,519 the propaganda that we've had since we were kids, as 89 00:04:16,519 --> 00:04:20,319 opposed to like actual, you know, prove for evidence for 90 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,319 such things. And I didn't mention this to you guys, 91 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:25,000 but I was on another podcast when we were talking 92 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,000 about this, but it's actually in the Talmud that there's 93 00:04:28,319 --> 00:04:31,759 eighteen thousand worlds that God created. So if you look 94 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,720 up a lot of Jewish theology, rabbinic theology, they will 95 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,000 say that they're big believers in the possibility or the 96 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,160 existence of alien life. So it's not really part of 97 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:45,120 the Biblical story, but it is part of other traditions. 98 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,480 I mean, you could say it overlaps even with ancient 99 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,879 pagan traditions of the Gods coming and visiting and this 100 00:04:49,959 --> 00:04:53,759 kind of stuff. Maybe the Genesis six Nephelin element does 101 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,639 plan to this in some way. But yeah, I think 102 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,480 that there's a couple layers of deception going on. You've 103 00:04:59,519 --> 00:05:04,959 got the long term spiritual deception that goes back millennium, 104 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,720 back to the Fall, and then you've got more recent 105 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:13,240 localized black ops deception that not just deep state actors 106 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:19,240 like Brookings Institute, but actual CIA support fostering funding and 107 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,600 like basically creating I would argue the modern UFO alien 108 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,639 mythos interesting. 109 00:05:26,879 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 5: That's something that we've been go ahead, sorry. 110 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,759 Speaker 1: Jump jump into a cliff high Man because he just 111 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:34,680 he's talking about this, dude, it's crazy. 112 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:36,759 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I don't want to be a dead 113 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,360 horse further to death. But we have been talking about 114 00:05:40,399 --> 00:05:45,920 how everyone's perception of aliens UFOs is prepackaged and given 115 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:49,439 to you by Hollywood, Yeah, and by these various governing bodies, 116 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,160 you know, aided in things that NASA disseminates. And so 117 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,879 I think it's important to check in with people, especially 118 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,560 on the cusp of what does feel a lot like 119 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:04,000 some sort of government back disclosure. Yeah, that our opinions 120 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:07,199 of these things, whatever they're going to show us, are 121 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,079 not at all, you know, organic, They are entirely fed 122 00:06:11,079 --> 00:06:14,600 to us by what you said, video games, Hollywood, video games, certainly, 123 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,879 I mean it takes it to a whole nother level, 124 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:21,199 especially when you consider after the nineties how gripped an 125 00:06:21,319 --> 00:06:24,680 entire generation, you know, Millennials for certain, were by video 126 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:27,720 games and that narrative, that alien narrative. 127 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 5: There's no shortage of it, and it really fleshes it out. 128 00:06:30,079 --> 00:06:30,199 Speaker 3: Man. 129 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 4: It gives a lot of really compelling theories to chew 130 00:06:32,759 --> 00:06:36,439 on things that sort of parallel gnostic or New age 131 00:06:36,439 --> 00:06:40,439 belief systems that already exist. And so yeah, I just 132 00:06:40,519 --> 00:06:42,879 I think it's really important to point out to people 133 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,480 like you don't have an idea about what these are. 134 00:06:45,519 --> 00:06:47,759 Speaker 5: Your ideas about what these are are given to you. 135 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think there's really in my view, I mean, 136 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:55,560 I'm always open to debating anybody who does believe in aliens. 137 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,560 I've wanted to do an alien debate for many years. 138 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,759 I haven't really found anybody who was open to doing it. 139 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,720 But anybody who does believe that there are extraterrestrial biological 140 00:07:04,879 --> 00:07:07,000 entities or whatever, I'm happy to do that. I tend 141 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,920 to think that there is a spiritual thing going on 142 00:07:10,199 --> 00:07:12,839 that's going on on Earth. I agree with Jacques Belle, 143 00:07:12,879 --> 00:07:17,079 who was a government affiliated person a computer science is 144 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,079 working with the I think DARPA and other entities before 145 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:22,480 he passed away. But he's not even a Christian. He 146 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:25,399 doesn't have any sort of, you know, spiritual sensibilities in 147 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:29,000 that sense. And Vali was famous for saying there's some 148 00:07:29,079 --> 00:07:32,240 kind of large scale deception going on here because they're 149 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:35,120 not from other planets. Whatever this is, it's actually terrestrial. 150 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:38,480 And he says that he thinks that there's basically a 151 00:07:38,519 --> 00:07:42,319 spiritual deception going on and a government deep state thing 152 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:45,040 going on. So he's a very well known famous researcher 153 00:07:45,079 --> 00:07:48,600 in fact, Spielberg's Close Encounters of the of the Third Kind, 154 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:51,160 that famous movie, which I think in many ways solidified 155 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,839 a lot of people's thought processes on where aliens come from, 156 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,920 what they are, as well as H. G. Wells's you know, 157 00:07:57,959 --> 00:08:00,560 War of the World. This is a classic that I 158 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,959 don't know. You guys have probably heard of the Orson 159 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,920 Wells broadcast of H. G. Wells's Thing, which was a 160 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:11,639 Princeton Research Project PSYOPS study to see how people reacted 161 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,879 to the announcement of alien invasion and alien life, and 162 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:17,639 that was being studied. There was a whole book written 163 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,560 by a Tavistock connected guy, Hadley ken Trell. He wrote 164 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,160 a book, Invaders from Mars, on how people reacted to 165 00:08:25,439 --> 00:08:28,439 the announcement of a fake alien invasion, and of course 166 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,399 everybody believed it because the authority structures on the radio 167 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:34,360 told them that it was a real alien invasion. So 168 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,639 Tavistock learned a lot from that. These are all real people, 169 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,360 real books you can look up. I put Heally ken 170 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:43,080 Trill in my first book, because you got somebody working 171 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,799 literally with the Tabsaw Institute about how people writing a 172 00:08:46,799 --> 00:08:49,399 giant book about how people react to a fake alien invasion, 173 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:54,120 like in the nineteen forties or fifties. So every time 174 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,279 in my experience that I look into people who are 175 00:08:57,879 --> 00:09:01,519 key players in these stories or in this mythos. For example, 176 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,440 if we go back to the first couple famous abductees, 177 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:10,720 you have Georgia Damski. He's into Theostrian resocriutionism. He has 178 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:13,240 this wild story being abducted and ends up being very 179 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:15,600 similar to a science fiction novel that's written around the 180 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:18,840 same time. And you know, he's just kind of weird, 181 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,080 like backwoods Like he looks like a drug addict dude 182 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,360 from the backwoods, and you're like, why would anybody care 183 00:09:25,399 --> 00:09:28,440 what this guy says about abduction. Well, the head of 184 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,960 the CIA cared enough to threaten to sue anyone who 185 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,519 would challenge his story. So this propelled Georgia Dampski's story 186 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,120 into the limelight to be like the big famous first 187 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,919 full on I was taken to the ship stuff. And 188 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,639 then a few years later you get this weird civil 189 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,279 rights activist couple who's also into the occult, Betty and 190 00:09:50,279 --> 00:09:53,320 Barney Hill. They claim to have another abduction story. They 191 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,159 start an alien cult, and they're also eventually called out 192 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:59,440 as frauds too, So the big stories are generally bound 193 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,679 up with a lot of deception and fraud and similar 194 00:10:02,799 --> 00:10:06,759 parallel to that. At the same time, Rank Corporation put 195 00:10:06,759 --> 00:10:09,679 out a report called, I think for the Air Force 196 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:13,120 called a Project Sign and this is nineteen forty nine, 197 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:15,399 and a guy from a Rank Corporation named doctor James 198 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,320 Lipp was part of this white paper and he says, 199 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,759 this is the first official paper that they put out 200 00:10:21,799 --> 00:10:26,639 on this phenomenon. And he says, well, although I deny 201 00:10:26,759 --> 00:10:30,440 the existence of aliens or any possibility of it, he says, 202 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,879 there's something going on here, and it relates to nukes 203 00:10:33,519 --> 00:10:36,679 and atomics and disarmament and all this kind of stuff. 204 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,840 So from the very earliest days of the Rank Corporation 205 00:10:38,879 --> 00:10:41,200 putting out of paper, it was kind of tied to 206 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:45,240 the idea of atomic nuclear disarmament. There's a reason I'm 207 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:48,279 going to explain why that is. I think even in 208 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,039 this first debunking paper. Then you get not too long 209 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,600 after that propaganda that comes out in Hollywood, for example, 210 00:10:56,639 --> 00:10:59,919 the movie Day the Earth Stood Still, which everybody should 211 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:04,240 that because that movie has this Jesus like character comes 212 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,519 down as an alien. He's a Carpenter, and then he 213 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,120 warns everybody, if you don't create a world government and 214 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:13,759 if you don't disarm and disarmament means in all like 215 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,919 everything that you in wants, right, not just getting rid 216 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,159 of you know, ICBMs or whatever, but also you not 217 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:23,960 having guns. Right, So it's total disarmament, socialist cut new age, 218 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:27,559 you know, religion type of message. That's the point of 219 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,360 that whole movie. That was a huge like one of 220 00:11:29,399 --> 00:11:32,159 the first big alien blockbusters around the same time as 221 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,440 for the World, and the message is international socialism. Yeah, 222 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,440 that's the modern remake with Keanu, but the old one 223 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:43,080 is so that you have this guy from the CIA 224 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,879 consulting on it, if I recalled C. D. Jackson and Ceedee. 225 00:11:47,919 --> 00:11:50,919 Jackson is also the head of the Doctrinal Warfare Program, 226 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,639 And the Doctrinal Warfare Program was the CI's plan to 227 00:11:55,919 --> 00:11:58,799 get the churches in America on board with the Cold War, 228 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:03,480 to make them instruments of Americanism. So the gospel theology 229 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,919 all that secondary too, being a kind of soft power 230 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,720 for America in the Cold War. Mainly they were interested 231 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,279 in the Catholic Church because it was globally the biggest 232 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:17,440 at that time. So they wanted to steer it towards Americanism. 233 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:19,559 But the point is that the guy who's in charge 234 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,240 of that church infiltration program, this is all very public, 235 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:26,279 declassified stuff, it's called the Doctrinal Warfare program, he's also 236 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:30,320 consulting on alien movies. What because it's building narratives, it's 237 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,759 building stories that myths that people need. I believe they 238 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:37,039 were trying to build this new alien myth at this time. 239 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,320 And this is when nineteen late forties fifties sudden explosion 240 00:12:41,399 --> 00:12:44,720 of alien movies out the wazoo from Hollywood. And it's 241 00:12:44,759 --> 00:12:49,159 not accidental that not just CD Jackson, but I think XANUK, 242 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,000 like the other movie studios, they were also working with 243 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,399 the OSS, the Office of Wartime Information to pump out 244 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:57,440 these alien movies. 245 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 4: I think, as a sioupum, it seems like there is 246 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,440 a lot of things. I didn't realize that the character 247 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,240 that Keanu plays in the Day the Earth Stood Still 248 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,720 was sort of a Messianic figure or Jesus figure archetype. 249 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,960 And what's interesting about that is I think it was 250 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,639 like Alice Bailey through the works of Heleno Blovotsky predicted 251 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,399 that in twenty twenty five or sometime after twenty twenty 252 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:28,360 five a d there would be. 253 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 5: Sort of the return of Christ. And I'm only peripherally 254 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:34,120 aware of that. 255 00:13:34,159 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 4: I mean, you can google it, you can see that 256 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:41,519 it's within Alice Bailey's predictions. But we're in this really 257 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:45,840 weird place right now where we have this drone incursion 258 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,360 and you make of that what you will. But when 259 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:54,120 you conjoin that with this annual pump fake that the 260 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,000 government seems to do. The Pentagon talks about recovering off 261 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:01,960 world craft, non human biologics, they're using sort of coded 262 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,320 language to I think prime the public to get ready 263 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,039 because you don't want to just dump it on them 264 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:12,679 all at once. And now you have, you know, the 265 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,240 federal government arguing with the local municipalities as to the 266 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,279 nature of these things that are invading our airspace. And 267 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:21,960 I can't help but look at it and feel like 268 00:14:22,159 --> 00:14:25,440 we are on the cusp of this final you know 269 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,559 that this disclosure program coming to fruition. 270 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 5: And it's been a long game, dude. I mean, you're 271 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:32,759 talking about the forties. 272 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 4: The other day, Top was talking on the show about 273 00:14:36,799 --> 00:14:41,720 the Battle of Los Angeles, and it just seems like 274 00:14:41,879 --> 00:14:44,200 for the longest time they do these things. They pop 275 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,759 up in our in our you know, field of awareness, 276 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,039 and then they fizzle out into nothingness, and it's I think, 277 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:54,840 reaching a critical mass. But there is a character, and 278 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:57,120 to my own detriment, I'm going to bring them up 279 00:14:57,159 --> 00:14:59,960 again while the chat goes wild but has frozen. 280 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,559 Speaker 5: Just give it away your fingers. 281 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,039 Speaker 3: Here we go. This is crazy. 282 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 5: I don't understand it. 283 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,799 Speaker 4: So there's a character named Cliff High who is a 284 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:08,720 systems expert, a programmer. 285 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 5: He writes code. 286 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:12,639 Speaker 4: He developed a web bot in the early nineties, and 287 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:14,879 this webbot scrapes data off the Internet. 288 00:15:14,559 --> 00:15:15,799 Speaker 5: And uses it to make predictions. 289 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:17,679 Speaker 4: And one of the things that it predicted was this 290 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:22,200 Joe Rogan Donald Trump interview, and it labeled that as 291 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,600 a pivotal moment, a temporal marker. If this thing happens, 292 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,279 it's a significant moment in history. And then this other 293 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,039 thing is going to happen shortly afterwards. So Cliff High says, 294 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,399 the data is telling me thirty nine days after this event, 295 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:40,519 this podcast, we're going to get the beginning of what 296 00:15:40,559 --> 00:15:44,240 he calls melee and which I pronounced wrong and will 297 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,600 continue to pronounce wrong. 298 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,639 Speaker 5: So this is supposed to be thank you Melee, Uh. 299 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 4: Because no way, Jose, Oh wow, the cliff I cocks 300 00:15:54,639 --> 00:16:02,240 are again ye shout out. So basically this moment would 301 00:16:02,279 --> 00:16:06,320 be marked by an aerial event. Cliff High maintains that 302 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,559 it's going to be alien in nature. You can make 303 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,960 whatever you want of him. I'm highly skeptical of him. 304 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,159 Is also a well his father worked for the military 305 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,279 and because of that they would have dinner often with 306 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,919 CIA agents. So make of that which you will, right, 307 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,919 especially if you consider that this is all a psychological 308 00:16:25,919 --> 00:16:28,639 operation that's been going on for the past seventy years 309 00:16:28,799 --> 00:16:32,200 or whatever it is, so long story short. He says, 310 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:34,840 these drones that we're seeing in the sky that didn't 311 00:16:34,879 --> 00:16:37,120 fast show up around the timeframe that he gave us, 312 00:16:37,639 --> 00:16:39,639 one of them is going to be a human being element. 313 00:16:39,679 --> 00:16:42,600 The other two are going to be alien elements, which 314 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:44,879 I would push back against because I don't think that 315 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:49,000 these things are aliens, given the discussion that we just 316 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:53,200 had about how none of our opinions of them are organic. 317 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,679 They're all given to us by Hollywood and such. So 318 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,679 I think that this discussion trying to iron out the 319 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,759 deep tale of these things. Because I agree with you, 320 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,400 Jay I don't think that these things are or maybe 321 00:17:05,559 --> 00:17:07,880 I'm misrepresenting what you said earlier, but I don't think 322 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,920 that these things come from outside of our planet. 323 00:17:13,279 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 5: I don't think they come from space. 324 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 4: And it even seems that within the UFO UAP community 325 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,759 in the past couple of years, they've become very comfortable 326 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:24,839 with this narrative that they come from the either interdimensional 327 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,359 or from our oceans, or some sort of mixture of 328 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:32,000 the two. And I think that right now where we sit, 329 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:34,599 it might be an incredibly important time. 330 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 5: We might be on the cusp of this big reveal. 331 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 4: And the problem with that, Jay, is that if you 332 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,200 haven't done your research, if you're somebody who never gave 333 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,799 these things any credence, well then you're going to be 334 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,000 left at the mercy of the government to tell you 335 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:52,960 what the truth is about these things. So, Jay, what 336 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:57,880 are your ideas in regards to these entities, because the 337 00:17:57,920 --> 00:17:59,960 way that they're presented to us is huge. It's like 338 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:03,359 there's some abduction stories, there's some Hollywood stuff, there's some 339 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,319 miscellaneous footage from maybe NASA that you are meant to 340 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:10,960 give more credibility to. Maybe the military industrial complex is 341 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,839 pumping out, you know, jets encounters with these things, where 342 00:18:14,839 --> 00:18:16,240 do you place them. 343 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,599 Speaker 3: There's a couple of things I would suggest everybody look 344 00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:22,880 at if they haven't. There's a great documentary called Mirage Men, 345 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:25,880 which is an interview with a bunch of people who 346 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:31,599 have been involved openly in disseminating the alien mythos story 347 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,359 people from intelligence. There's one of the most famous is 348 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:38,079 Richard Dodie, who was Air Force counterintelligence and he's a 349 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,799 significant portion of that documentary in terms of the interviews, 350 00:18:40,839 --> 00:18:44,039 and he talks about the way that they would profile 351 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:49,519 and find people that were perfect fits for giving disinformation 352 00:18:50,279 --> 00:18:54,119 to let them then disseminate a lot of alien bs. 353 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,759 And he did this for about two decades, and so 354 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,640 they talk about two different people from sixties, seventies and 355 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,599 then into the eighties. You get these new crop of 356 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,359 characters and it's a pretty fascinating pattern if you pay 357 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,440 attention to it. So I would recommend also go back 358 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,160 and watch the old interview that Joe Rogan did with 359 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,200 Bob Lazar, because he seems to be the more recent 360 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:20,319 version of this choosing of people to disseminate information. The 361 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,640 most most recent past Bob Lazar would be Tom DeLong 362 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,680 from Linklin eighty two and all of these cast of characters. 363 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,039 When you go all the way back to the I 364 00:19:28,079 --> 00:19:30,400 think his name is Bob Moore, the boomer dude in 365 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,200 the eighties that they chose, like Richard Doty is just 366 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,519 sitting there saying, Yeah, what we do is we basically 367 00:19:35,599 --> 00:19:38,440 find people that are really into the alien story, who 368 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,799 really believe it. They are typically profiled as kind of narcissistic, 369 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:46,599 you know, feel like they've been not recognized types of people. 370 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,680 We bring him into the military base, We tell him, 371 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:52,720 you're special. You're gonna be our ambassador. We made a 372 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,759 deal with aliens. You're gonna tell everybody that there's this concord, 373 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,920 this pact that was made, so go forth disseminate, but 374 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:02,960 keep a secret. And then they would even in some 375 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,200 cases like they would bring a general and play a 376 00:20:05,279 --> 00:20:09,160 VHS tape of like some you know, shitty Hollywood B 377 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:11,920 movie type craft taken off, and they would tell these 378 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,599 people this, uh, and they of course they believe it, right. 379 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,079 And the first guy that they chose was Paul Benowitz. 380 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,279 He was like super boomer patriot dude who would never well, 381 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:24,720 the generals wouldn't lie to me, so he, for you know, 382 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,319 several years disseminated literally what Air Force Disinformation wanted disseminate it. 383 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,839 The next character was that Bob Moore guy, I think 384 00:20:32,839 --> 00:20:35,279 his name was Bob Moore. And then they have examples 385 00:20:35,319 --> 00:20:39,160 like Lynhamilton, how documentary. Then we come up to the 386 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,799 next phase, which is Bobb Blazarre and now with today's 387 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:43,200 we've got like Blink one eighty two. 388 00:20:43,279 --> 00:20:46,039 Speaker 4: Dude, by the way, didn't Bob Lazar actually say that 389 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,200 he's not sure what they showed him that he was 390 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,880 meant to convey in other words, like he doesn't know 391 00:20:51,519 --> 00:20:53,720 what was real and what wasn't real, because he recognizes 392 00:20:53,759 --> 00:20:56,119 there was some element that was fake and meant to 393 00:20:56,759 --> 00:20:58,000 spread the word in other. 394 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: Words, exactly. And the verse engineered alien technology story that's 395 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:07,079 kind of first at Roswell, and it's just recycled right 396 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,720 from all the way back from Paul Benowitz up through 397 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:14,160 all these characters that they kind of recycle the same stuff. 398 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,839 And if you've listened to Tom DeLong, he says the 399 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:18,279 same things like they brought the general to me, and 400 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:21,680 the general told me all they wouldn't lie to me, right, 401 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,319 I mean, what do you think military people learn like 402 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,640 intelligence people learn first of all too lighting to see 403 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,920 what are you talking about? It's just idiotic, right anyway. 404 00:21:31,079 --> 00:21:32,599 So and then you notice too there's a lot of 405 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:37,000 weird like scammy stuff connected to culty, stuff connected to 406 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:39,960 always But yeah, so you know the Bibble Zar story. 407 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,480 I don't I don't have to repeat all that, but 408 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,119 that if you listen, if you know Biblezar story, and 409 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,079 then you watch that documentary, you can tell they're doing 410 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,839 the same thing in every decade. They're like, they're just 411 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,160 picking these people to disseminate. So that's another for me, 412 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:56,799 key indicator that I'm not saying there's no spiritual unexplained phenomenon. 413 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:59,039 I think there are, but a lot of it is 414 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,839 this side stuff. If you read the Collins Brothers book, 415 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:05,599 you guys should get the Collins Brothers on by the way, 416 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,079 they're really good experts on the topic, not so much 417 00:22:08,079 --> 00:22:11,599 of like the theology stuff, but specifically on the topic 418 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,240 of the relationship between the CIA and the alien phenomenon. 419 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:17,279 They wrote a great book called Invoking the Beyond. It's 420 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:20,039 a really big, thick book, but about the middle three 421 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:27,599 or fourgner pages is literally just dedicated to intelligence CIA, Black, OPS, FBI, NSC, 422 00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:30,759 and I all of these groups and their relationship to 423 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:34,680 all this alien gibber jabber. It's called invoking the beyond. Anyway, 424 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,960 they make a really good point too, about a lot 425 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,799 of these people kind of being chosen and crafted for, 426 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,160 groomed for this kind of dissemination deception. So that's a 427 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,599 long winded answer, I know to what your question was, 428 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,480 what do I think about these entities? I do think 429 00:22:49,519 --> 00:22:54,119 that there are entities that are demonic that can pass 430 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,839 themselves off as aliens, and so there can be a 431 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,559 real interaction in that way. Because for example, if you 432 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:06,160 read MK ultra doctor John C. Lilly's book, his autobiography, 433 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,839 he says, you know, when I would do high doses 434 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,680 of whatever hallucinogen, I would going to the float tank. 435 00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:15,559 He's like, I would dissociate, I would you know, have 436 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,759 out out about experience, and I would see these entities 437 00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:21,079 and they would give me ideas for what types of 438 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,000 implantable chips I was developing. So again again maybe he's bullshitting, 439 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:29,680 but he's like one of the most famous mk ultra 440 00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:32,599 doctors who developed you know, r F I D chips 441 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,519 to implant into humans and monkeys and dolphins. He had 442 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:41,960 a fetish for dolphins, by the way, exactly, But I 443 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,839 mean in his autobiography he's literally saying, you know, I'm 444 00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:49,799 getting these ideas from aliens. So the drug people too, 445 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,799 like in the sphere of like, I've never done DMT. 446 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,240 I've watched tons of interviews with people that have done DMT. Though, 447 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,480 if you watch a bunch of d MT experience videos 448 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:01,920 on YouTube, you'll notice like half of them say, yeah, 449 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,000 the clockwork goes told me like we need to create 450 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,680 a world government, like get rid of everybody bro like 451 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:08,920 save the Earth or whatever. Right, They always they have 452 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,160 a similar message. Ye, I had a bad trip when 453 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,799 I was eighteen seventeen, and I didn't get any like 454 00:24:15,839 --> 00:24:18,960 one world government messages, but I did feel like or 455 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,680 believe I was interacting with this entity in my bad trip, 456 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:23,640 So I can say that I think that does go 457 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,880 on many the other psychoonauts, like Tim Leary. You know, 458 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,599 there's a think that they're interacting with interdimensional beings. So 459 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,680 this is also an element of it too, which I 460 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:36,319 think is possible. Why because it's very plausible that if 461 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,640 Alan Dallas, who's would have been aware of the MK 462 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,720 ulture projects that were going on and the secret research 463 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,039 into various truth serum drugs or whatever. If he's running 464 00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:52,880 cover for the first abductee, Georgia Damski, is very plausible 465 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,279 that they could have been giving Georgia Dampski high doses 466 00:24:56,279 --> 00:25:00,599 of acid, flashing some lights in his eyes. Right he 467 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,559 would have known. I I'm just some like you know, 468 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,359 imagine your granddad, right, being given acid unaware. He doesn't 469 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,680 know what acid is, right, some like country. 470 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: Your granddad, it didn't really even exist at the time. Right, 471 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:13,920 It's just kind of like a govern it. 472 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: Wasn't known exactly, right. 473 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what's interesting too, Jay, and I wonder 474 00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:20,720 your thoughts on this. Not to derail you, but it 475 00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:25,000 seems whether you're in a you know, float tank and 476 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,920 you're commuting with something, or if you are in a 477 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,559 d MT setting and you're communicating with something you didn't 478 00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:32,839 you know, to a d MT, there is this notion 479 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,640 that these entities want to like give you something, They 480 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,480 want to get you information, they want to give you 481 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:38,960 how to do with technology, what you should be doing. 482 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 5: And that's like you know, Top and I. 483 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 4: We connect that often to the idea that people have 484 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,640 old their their deities would have been responsible for giving 485 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,039 them like metallurgy or teaching them agriculture or something or another. 486 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,400 It's always an information technology. 487 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 3: Exchange, absolutely, And the other parallel was going to make 488 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,559 was so if you think about the possibility of you know, 489 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:04,720 black ops guys see people trying to you know, say 490 00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:08,480 unwittingly dosed people and see what happens, that could very 491 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:14,680 easily transition into creating possibly some of the first abductee stories. 492 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:20,519 Right Like, they're intentionally you know, dosing people, furthering them 493 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:23,319 putting out the myth like the other people who disseminate 494 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,759 the mythology. I'm not saying they were all dose without say, 495 00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:28,799 I'm just using the possibility of this with say a 496 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,920 damn ski And also if you look at the parallels 497 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,200 between what people who undergo ritual abuse to say, right 498 00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:39,039 like in the cases of Satanic ritual abuse, they're very 499 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:43,279 parallel to the stories of alien abductees and my booty 500 00:26:43,319 --> 00:26:46,200 got probed and all this kind of stuff, And there 501 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,519 have actually been people prosecuted. If you look up the 502 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,559 BBC article, there was a guy who kidnapped a girl 503 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:55,319 and drugged her and was using mind control techniques. The 504 00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:57,640 famous case. I think in the UK he was like 505 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,839 some Nordic dude yawn something, and he got prosecuted and 506 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,839 caught because he was using an alien mythology and druggingist 507 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,920 girl trying to brainwash her with like you know. So 508 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,880 in other words, if like random you know, science dudes 509 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,000 are out there doing this, I feel sure that probably 510 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,039 the CIA has been involved into this too. And if 511 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:21,440 you think that they're beyond doing that, well, I'm sure 512 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,960 you guys have heard of Operation Midnight Climax, right where 513 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,759 the CI pairs up with some ladies of the evening 514 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,519 to dose unwitting John's and to study their results. Like 515 00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:33,759 you don't think they would dose some redneck dude just 516 00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:35,839 you know, let him think that he was being abducted. 517 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,319 So I'm just posing that as a theory that there 518 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,559 could be the demons and there can be demonic CIA 519 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,440 dudes right in black. 520 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 5: People, right, Yeah, exactly. 521 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I tend to feel like I tend to 522 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:48,720 feel like it's a little bit of both, and it's 523 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:51,039 hard to determine which is which, which is why, Like 524 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,160 I mean, it kind of really lends to them. If 525 00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:56,720 half the stories are bullshit, then you can kind of 526 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:58,720 dismiss some of that stuff, but it also helps them 527 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,359 because you're still liferating their narrative. Is now the question 528 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,200 is is the narrative at the heart is it true? 529 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,119 And the more I look into them kind of like 530 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,000 it's a little freaky, but it does look like it's 531 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,599 there is something to this. 532 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, the there's another angle too, which is overlooked 533 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:18,880 that the aliens. The Collins brothers wrote an article a 534 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,839 long time ago was really good. I think it's part 535 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,200 of the book now, but it was called alien smokescreen, 536 00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:26,039 and in that article they were arguing that this is 537 00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:28,400 actually before any Jacobson wrote her book which kind of 538 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,680 has the same thesis about Area fifty one, that sometimes 539 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,640 the military black ops they can use this alien crap 540 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,440 as cover for black ops stuff too. So that's another 541 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,400 angle to this, to where like if they're bringing it, 542 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,079 if the CI is flying in like you know, planes 543 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,720 full of cocaine, right, you can have some kind of 544 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:49,640 alien cover nonsense. The distracts the alien stories might also 545 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,400 be useful for like covering technology that maybe that we 546 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,559 don't want the Russians to know about, right, so they 547 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:57,880 put up this alien story. So there's a lot of 548 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:02,200 other It's called function stocking as what they call it, 549 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,359 where they have like multiple uses for the alien mythos. 550 00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 4: What's the same thing like when you never let a 551 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,200 good whatever disaster go on taking it out. I mean, 552 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,480 I'm really paraphrasing here, but yeah, it's that same kind 553 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,960 of concept. I wonder too, because whenever it comes to 554 00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,599 abductee victims, there often is a human element. You know, 555 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,000 You'll some people will return with some sort of recollection 556 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:29,640 of like a military environment or like a sterile sort 557 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,680 of lab environment, and also the presence of human beings. 558 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,799 Speaker 3: So well, the men in black seem to show up, right, 559 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,599 are those the black ops operatives that are showing you 560 00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:40,039 know what I mean? 561 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:46,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's somebody that I tend to give some 562 00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:51,640 credence to abductee victims, primarily because once you have absorbed 563 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,359 enough testimony, you realize that there are through lines, there 564 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:57,920 are patterns. And there's one woman in particular that sticks 565 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,319 out to me. Her name is Karen Wilkinson. Meaning to 566 00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:01,920 have her on the show, it's just scheduling issues, but 567 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,559 she talks about she's an individual who can remember a 568 00:30:06,599 --> 00:30:09,200 lot more of her abductions than like a lot of 569 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,279 other people. And one of the things that she described 570 00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:18,720 was how she came across on a ship a pile 571 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,039 of discarded gray bodies and that they smelled horrible, but 572 00:30:23,079 --> 00:30:25,680 they were inactive, and it was just a note that 573 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,039 she made. And this idea has given rise, or further 574 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,000 given rise to the idea that the grays themselves are 575 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:37,279 a sort of automaton, like a bio mechanical entity, not 576 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,519 really living, but made up to some degree of biological material. 577 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:45,799 And I just think that if you factor that into 578 00:30:45,799 --> 00:30:50,519 this entire equation, then what we're trying to do split 579 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:54,119 these things up into simple camps of like its demons 580 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,000 or its aliens, it's actually a lot more complex. 581 00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:02,279 Speaker 5: It seems there's a huge human l and a spiritual element. 582 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: Right. 583 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 4: We had Tucker Carlson recently saying that this UFO phenomenon 584 00:31:08,519 --> 00:31:10,720 has a massive spiritual element to it, and we in 585 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:13,000 the West have been detached from our understanding of spirituality, 586 00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:18,319 So it seems like it's a multifaceted thing. Yeah, and 587 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:20,720 it's been going on for a long time and they've 588 00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:25,279 been Honestly, for us to never get some sort of 589 00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:31,519 disclosure operation would make no sense given the time and 590 00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:34,160 the money and the effort that has been dumped into 591 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,279 this thing for as long as it has been. 592 00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: Well, I got a question, Jay, So it seems like 593 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,680 you're well studied in like the history of these psyops 594 00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:46,000 from the forties till now. Is it just because we're 595 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,240 living through another one of these syops that it seems 596 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,680 like it's been ramped up to ten or do you 597 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,160 think that this is what we're witnessing now, this idea 598 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,680 of like soft disclosure where they're just playing footsy with us, 599 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,880 Is that something unique that we should be worried about? 600 00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,079 Or am my mom, am I my mom saying like 601 00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,680 the world's gonna end, you know, revelation that at thirty 602 00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:05,160 years ago. 603 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,279 Speaker 3: My guess would be that they probably test the waters 604 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,119 to see if the public reaction is at the point 605 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:19,079 where they would accept it at a large scale. That's 606 00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:20,680 just my guess. I think a lot of things are 607 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,000 teased to see how people react. Then they wait right 608 00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:25,880 to see if there's a better time. So I guess 609 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,079 would be if they're if they're really wanting to do 610 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:32,279 a large scale announcement of disclosure, they could do that 611 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,079 very soon. They could, you know, maybe it relates to 612 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,200 inauguration or something like that. Who knows, Like, I mean, 613 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,079 I don't think anybody saw you know, koof coming in 614 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,359 the year two thousand when they roll that out, which 615 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,440 was a massive style. But I mean, yeah, I think 616 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:51,240 I think they probably uh do a lot of research 617 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:53,519 on They probably use AI too to see, like, you know, 618 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,480 how many people are reacting as if they think this 619 00:32:56,599 --> 00:32:59,680 phenomenon is you know, other off world stuff. How many 620 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,480 of the drones blah blah blah. So they probably just 621 00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:07,000 wait until the you know, tipping point of majority believe whatever. 622 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,440 One thing I forgot to mention a minute ago that 623 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,599 you guys will probably find funny is that you've heard 624 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,359 of that. Have you guys heard of the Esslin Institute? 625 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:14,359 Speaker 5: No? 626 00:33:14,359 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 3: No? So this is like a it still exists. It's 627 00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:21,119 in Big Sur, California. So if you go out to California, 628 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,480 drive up past La to Big Sur, which is like 629 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,039 really really beautiful area to drive through. Especially there's this 630 00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:33,880 big institute that was set up late sixties early seventies 631 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:38,119 called the Esslin Institute, and it's basically the think tank 632 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:43,079 of the boomer new age counterculture. Right, so basically they 633 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:47,400 would have every prominent new Ager in person comes speak there, 634 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,759 like Alvis Huxley, Deepalk Chopra, Carl Young has spoken there, 635 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:55,400 like everybody has spoken at Esslin. Yeah, it still exists there, 636 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:00,400 it is and it's like it is beautiful, really cool 637 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,519 at that area. But so so I bought Esslon's official 638 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,079 history like this the books over there on the shelf. 639 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:11,679 But like they've they've had like Yoko Ono, John Denver, 640 00:34:12,039 --> 00:34:15,480 you know, celebrities come there all the time. It's basically 641 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:17,519 just a big pusher for new age stuff. A lot 642 00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,760 of what Blovatski was pushing a long time ago is 643 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,400 kind of churned out through Esslon and h In the 644 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,800 nineteen seventies, they were hosting all these lectures and ceremonies 645 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,719 about how to have sex with the aliens. So they 646 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,880 were like they were pushing like so this is just 647 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,239 funny because in my mind, like so the boomers are 648 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,199 so into the alien psyop that like the first thing 649 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,079 that they thought was how do we fuck them? Like 650 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,480 where do I get alien ass? And that's what they're 651 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,320 doing lectures on. So but to get more serious, like 652 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,559 there's actually an element of Croleianism involved in this too, 653 00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:56,719 because Croley's whole cult was about sex magic and through 654 00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:01,280 uh sex rituals, basically getting possessed. So you have to 655 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,400 keep in mind that a lot of the occultists also 656 00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:08,280 identify aliens as the gods and the demons. So you 657 00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:11,039 even have this branch of like serious Satanists who think 658 00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:16,320 that it's demons and it's aliens and their gods and 659 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,599 we want to be possessed by them. And if you 660 00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:22,679 read you guys familiar with Childhood's in by Arthur Clark, No, 661 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,079 you should watch the The Sci Fi Channel made a 662 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:26,599 series of it. 663 00:35:26,639 --> 00:35:29,280 Speaker 4: You should watch it Childhood's And yeah, yeah, I watched. 664 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,199 I bought the entire season recently on Amazon. 665 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,079 Speaker 3: Ok. Yeah, yeah, So basically I won't spoil it for you, 666 00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:41,159 but Carrellen is the alien literally looks like Satan right 667 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,159 like in the book, like I've read the book, Like 668 00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:45,400 he's portrayed as exactly what you see in the in 669 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,079 the show. Yeah, and you know they want your children 670 00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:51,159 and they're gonna, you know, like create a new human 671 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,559 race and all this what they do. 672 00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 4: First, it's like they give us technology, they give you tech, 673 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,639 a utopia, and then they finally revealed themselves to us 674 00:35:58,679 --> 00:35:59,639 and it's Satan. 675 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 3: And Clark was in the circles of Croley people, so 676 00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:08,760 he was like hanging out with at. I forget the 677 00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:10,800 lodge that Crowley used to have in Italy. 678 00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 5: Whatever, we got our first depictions of an alien gray. 679 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 3: Right from the land that he would have. 680 00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 5: He would have interacted with. 681 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this, this whole thing, it's like the government, 682 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:31,519 the intelligence agencies, the UFO phenomenon, and and you know, yeah, Satan. 683 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying, like the SRA stud experiences, it's 684 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,599 all hand in hand, very similar to like abduction experiences. 685 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,639 And by the way, this is another element that probably 686 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,480 you've heard people make this connection, but that something that 687 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,679 occurred to me. I was watching a documentary one time 688 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,840 on sleep paralysis, and I was like, this sounds a 689 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,360 lot like alien stuff. 690 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,559 Speaker 5: So my my grandmother. 691 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 4: Actually, before we go there, I just want to let 692 00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:56,480 everybody know who's watching live on YouTube and Rumble and 693 00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:59,639 Twitter that we are going to cut the stream and 694 00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,800 we'll be over to Patreon exclusively Patreon dot com, backslash 695 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,679 Nefylum Death Squad. We got to do some editing, but 696 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,400 if you want to continue watching live, you can do so. 697 00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,679 Over at patreon dot com backslash Nefhlum death Squad. Otherwise, 698 00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:14,880 just give it a few days and the stream will 699 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,960 drop in its entirety on our various platforms, So we're 700 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,760 gonna end those streams now. On that note, Jay, my 701 00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:27,440 grandmother was a lifelong abductee victim, and. 702 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,199 Speaker 2: It is 703 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:31,639 Speaker 5: Interesting that