Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow.
Speaker 2: And I'm Catherine Haileco.
Speaker 1: Every Thursday, we're bringing you a library find, a pick
Speaker 1: from our archives, and a parenting or pop culture tidbit
Speaker 1: or two. Let's start with Catherine's library find of the.
Speaker 3: Week, continuing with our recurring theme of everybody seems to
Speaker 3: be reading this book at some point I will read it.
Speaker 2: Which doesn't sound like a glowing recommendation, right, But I
Speaker 2: read a book called West with Giraffes by Linda Rutledge.
Speaker 2: This is one that people inside and outside the library
Speaker 2: had told me to read, and it is a lucky
Speaker 2: day book, which our library has and a lot of
Speaker 2: libraries do, where it's like new and or popular items
Speaker 2: that are you can't put them on hold, and it's
Speaker 2: a short return schedule, so that the idea is that
Speaker 2: when you walk into the library, there's a table of
Speaker 2: these items and it's your lucky day you can yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: So anyway, incredible true story of two giraffes.
Speaker 2: Yes, so it's a novel. It's a fictionalized story of
Speaker 2: these two giraffes that came you know, don't know how
Speaker 2: they were acquired we handwave over that part. But they
Speaker 2: arrived in the United States on a boat that survived
Speaker 2: hurricane on a ship, i should say, and then they
Speaker 2: were transported over land to San Diego to the San Diego.
Speaker 1: Zoo, which so this is present day ish, No, this.
Speaker 2: Is in the let's say the thirties, like okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: pre World War two, Okay, Like there.
Speaker 1: Was a zoo in San Diego then, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it was fairly new. But also part of
Speaker 2: the story is that there was a woman running it,
Speaker 2: oh Ma, the zoo lady. She was referred to as
Speaker 2: Belle bal Benchley. So, you know, I always enjoy historical fiction,
Speaker 2: and this one. So it's the story of this young
Speaker 2: like teenager he's like seventeen, I think he turns eighteen
Speaker 2: during the course of the book, who has like left Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: you know, dust Bowl times, and his parents have died.
Speaker 2: He sort of ends up on the East Coast somewhere
Speaker 2: working for his cousin. But you know, it's a it's
Speaker 2: not a good situation, and he just kind of like
Speaker 2: falls into being obsessed with these giraffes and ends up,
Speaker 2: through reasons and circumstances, driving this sort of modified box
Speaker 2: car across the country with these two giraffes in it.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And it's just it's told from his perspective as a
Speaker 2: one hundred and five year old man recalling the story.
Speaker 2: So you know this really happened in terms of these giraffes,
Speaker 2: really did travel across country. I don't believe you know this,
Speaker 2: this character was necessarily the one that drove them.
Speaker 1: What was the name of the character.
Speaker 2: His name is Woody. His full name is Woodrow Wilson
Speaker 2: Nickel So Woody nickel Wite a name.
Speaker 1: Yes that sounds like a name from the Gilded Age.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so so. Yeah. I enjoyed it. I usually
Speaker 2: like historical fiction. It took me a little bit of
Speaker 2: time to get into it, I would say. And there's
Speaker 2: a lot of like hinting, you know, giving dropping these
Speaker 2: these little hints about what really happened back in Oklahoma
Speaker 2: before he left, and then who is it that he's
Speaker 2: telling this story to. And there's some little bits of
Speaker 2: the present day of you know, him and the rest
Speaker 2: home and people like okay, honey, let's get you back
Speaker 2: to bed, you know situations, and he's like, I gotta
Speaker 2: finish this. I'm one hundred years old. He's like, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to write this down, leave me alone.
Speaker 1: So uh so, yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, it's h Yeah, I don't believe. I think I
Speaker 2: looked for an audiobook and did not find one, so.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: I know, I don't know how that happens.
Speaker 1: Somebody could have had some fun narrating that to the
Speaker 1: Do we get the giraffe's point of view on anything
Speaker 1: or it's just all no interacting with giraffes?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we get we we see the giraffes
Speaker 2: behavior and we we can imply some infer some things
Speaker 2: from that, but we don't get you know, the actual
Speaker 2: pov of the of the giraffes.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just add because I have I am familiar
Speaker 1: with the San Diego Zoo, having grown up in California,
Speaker 1: southern California, but I did not know its history. It has.
Speaker 1: It started in nineteen sixteen with a collection of animals
Speaker 1: left over from the nineteen fifteen Panama California exposition. So
Speaker 1: a pioneer in the concept of open air cageless exhibits
Speaker 1: that we create natural animal habit habitats. I'm sure the
Speaker 1: giraffes were happy about that. They wouldn't have been wanted
Speaker 1: to be in cages. I'd have to be a very
Speaker 1: total cage. So I did not know that. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: I kind of now I want to hear more about
Speaker 2: the zoo Lady Bell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well that sounds interesting. Grab it at your library.
Speaker 1: Even though it might be in.
Speaker 2: Short, it might be lucky today it's it's a couple
Speaker 2: of years old, so it may be getting easier to find.
Speaker 1: There's a kindle edition, I see, yes, but no audiobook.
Speaker 1: That is weird. I'm going to look on audible right now. Well,
Speaker 1: we don't speak. Let's see. When's it West with Giraffes.
Speaker 1: I'm always surprised when there's like a book that's not
Speaker 1: on audible, because there seem to be so many, and
Speaker 1: some of them seem so not like who cares about this?
Speaker 1: But I guess it's part of the West with Giraffes.
Speaker 1: It is on audible.
Speaker 2: It is okay, it's just not I looked for it.
Speaker 1: Operated by Danny Campbell. Okay, so there you go. I
Speaker 1: can get it on a audiobook if you are too
Speaker 1: lazy to read with your eyeballs, or your eyeballs are
Speaker 1: not eyeballs. Don't cooperate as in my case. Yes, my
Speaker 1: eyeballs enjoy being closed while I listen to stuff with
Speaker 1: my ear holes. I do miss. I do miss reading
Speaker 1: words that I can then go back and look at
Speaker 1: easily without having to rewind to the place where it was,
Speaker 1: so that it is a different experience. Yes, moving on
Speaker 1: to my random recommendation, I have a book for a
Speaker 1: random recommendation this week, and it's one in which the narration,
Speaker 1: the work of the narrator really added to the experience.
Speaker 1: The book I listened.
Speaker 2: To was.
Speaker 1: Life's Work by David Milch. I have mentioned that before.
Speaker 1: I mentioned that I was in the progress of reading it.
Speaker 1: I have finally finished reading it, and I enjoyed it
Speaker 1: very much. Let me find the name of the narrator.
Speaker 1: The the recording started with I think the pro the introduction,
Speaker 1: it was probably a prologue, was actually read by David Milch,
Speaker 1: who has Alzheimer's and is fading, and you could hear
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no way he could narrate himself. He's
Speaker 1: obviously having a very hard time. But the narrator, I think,
Speaker 1: did a really good job of sounding enough like him
Speaker 1: that you felt like it was him. Reading it. It
Speaker 1: was the same as a book I read a while
Speaker 1: ago and talked about here by Judy Dench, where Judy
Speaker 1: Dench read the prologu or whatever that part of the
Speaker 1: book was. And then a younger person took over did
Speaker 1: an incredible job of sounding like her, so that throughout
Speaker 1: the experience was this is this person reading about their life.
Speaker 1: And then you stop and you realize, no, wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a very good actress imitating that person. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to find the name of the person who
Speaker 1: narrated the Milch book because he did a very good job.
Speaker 1: Sounded a little bit like Mark Marrin, but I think
Speaker 1: Milch that had a milchiness to him voice that time.
Speaker 1: I felt like it was like it was him, and
Speaker 1: just very read the things, very in the spirit with
Speaker 1: which they were written in a way that was meaningful.
Speaker 1: I thought, let me just get that up so I
Speaker 1: can because I want to credit this dude. Michael Harney
Speaker 1: is the one who did the most of the narration.
Speaker 1: And I just read a review of the book that
Speaker 1: I agree with, which said it's less about and then
Speaker 1: I did this show and here are some juicy details
Speaker 1: about this show. And then I wrote that show, and
Speaker 1: here are some juicy details about that show. It was
Speaker 1: more about the creative process, about the how you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit of the mechanics of television writing, and
Speaker 1: a lot about his demons and the things he did
Speaker 1: in his life. That that if you've watched John from Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: which is my favorite one of his things, me and
Speaker 1: a couple of other people, Yeah, the themes are there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think he's best known probably for Deadwood and
Speaker 1: YPD Blue. Yeah, he's one of his last things was Luck,
Speaker 1: which was about horse racing and some horses died and
Speaker 1: so I got shut down. But so he talks about
Speaker 1: each of the shows he's done some but it's more
Speaker 1: about this is what was going on in his life,
Speaker 1: and this is how he came to do this particular show.
Speaker 1: And so you get a lot of the backstage negotiations
Speaker 1: with networks, You get a lot of the sort of
Speaker 1: what it does to you to have this sort of
Speaker 1: creative job. And you know, he had problems with gambling,
Speaker 1: he had problems with substances and some mental health issues.
Speaker 1: So he's a fascinating person. Channeled these problems in his
Speaker 1: life into amazing art, and that's I was very interested
Speaker 1: to hear about it. I was more interested to hear
Speaker 1: about his life than I was about Oh and then
Speaker 1: David Carusa did this, so it was good. I would
Speaker 1: recommend it, especially for anybody who's in you know, has
Speaker 1: been in creative fields in their life, and anybody who's
Speaker 1: enjoyed the art that this man has made, and also
Speaker 1: anybody who just really enjoys a well read audio. The
Speaker 1: reading is very, very good. It started out I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: is he just trying to do an invitation? But he
Speaker 1: just as it went through, I just my brain completely
Speaker 1: accepted that this was from reading about just the way
Speaker 1: he did the vocal part of it. Just very impressive.
Speaker 1: Good book, very highly recommended. Interesting, interesting individual, well written book,
Speaker 1: well done, narration, and worth immersing oneself in, especially if
Speaker 1: you have one of his properties that you are particularly
Speaker 1: passionate about. Yeah, you're not going to get behind the
Speaker 1: scenes extravaganza on it, but you will have some insight
Speaker 1: as to how it came to be and what some
Speaker 1: of the experiences of the people involved with it were.
Speaker 1: So my next book that I am moving on to
Speaker 1: is actually currently as we speak, the number one number
Speaker 1: one on the New York Times Nonfiction bestseller list, which
Speaker 1: is Butler by Selena Zito. I will not be talking
Speaker 1: about it on this podcast because we don't talk about politics,
Speaker 1: but so far I'm in it a little bit. And
Speaker 1: if you think it was this is the sort of
Speaker 1: thing you will like, you will like it. It's interesting,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I've liked her, she wrote a book. Her
Speaker 1: previous book, written with Brad Todd, Who's a Polster, is
Speaker 1: The Great Revolt, and I enjoyed reading that too, So
Speaker 1: I've been kind of interested in her since then and
Speaker 1: interested in this book, and apparently lots of other people
Speaker 1: are too. But possibly the less said about the subject
Speaker 1: matter the better. So all right, if that intrigues you,
Speaker 1: go look it up and then you will either either
Speaker 1: be interested or mad at me.
Speaker 2: Is that an iffy etiquette question? Do I recommend this book?
Speaker 1: That is an iff He had a quick question. How
Speaker 1: does one recommend a book without saying, oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: it's about something that will make half of the people
Speaker 1: listening to this head explodes. So it is not in
Speaker 1: fact about a butler and the guilded Age, but.
Speaker 2: That's going back to the Gilded Age and the audiobook
Speaker 2: narration the one who played I think I've talked about
Speaker 2: this before, but the the one who plays the butler
Speaker 2: on the Van Ryan side. Yeah one, I'm ninety nine
Speaker 2: percent short. Narrated an audiobook that I listened to with
Speaker 2: my son.
Speaker 1: Oh, like he would be very good.
Speaker 2: Years and years ago. Like I can't remember the name
Speaker 2: of the book. It has something to do with a lion.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can see that, and yeah, have you looked
Speaker 1: up his name? And audio bade me to like figure
Speaker 1: that out. What is the actor's name? Let's i'll find out,
Speaker 1: Simon Simon Jones.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he do. They give you audio books in.
Speaker 1: Audiobooks narrated by Simon Jones. Okay, there's ninety five results.
Speaker 2: Wow. Then I guess he was the.
Speaker 1: One pass on the uh pasting this into the script.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, lion boy. There it is lion boy.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, see look at that.
Speaker 2: I still hear. I mean, it's amazing, like it was
Speaker 2: years for sure, And you know it's amazing that you
Speaker 2: can recognize a person's voice. Yeah at that from that
Speaker 2: long ago.
Speaker 1: Its a good voice. Now he has a.
Speaker 2: Distinctive yes, So anyway, we should move on.
Speaker 1: Anyway, moving on What do we have from the archive
Speaker 1: this week?
Speaker 2: Yes, we are. We have an episode from twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: and when we were talking about social interactions and if
Speaker 2: the etiquette. You know, what have we taught our kids?
Speaker 2: What have we failed to teach our kids?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: All of that? Yikes? And I feel a little bit
Speaker 2: of this right now because my my adult child is
Speaker 2: living with her boyfriend's family.
Speaker 4: And yeah, you know, there's lots of room for like,
Speaker 4: oh did I did I not tell you not to
Speaker 4: do this or that?
Speaker 2: Or you know, I mean I feel that she. I
Speaker 2: do hope that she. I mean I don't. It's not
Speaker 2: something I worry about constantly, but it's still like oh
Speaker 2: oh no.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, oh I would be worried about that too, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And also I would be judging if somebody else's child
Speaker 1: did not do those things. So your fears are well
Speaker 1: found me, right right, Yeah, it's your mother never taught
Speaker 1: her that. Ever, I would totally be blaming the mom.
Speaker 2: I'm not the kid, oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why it's not a dad.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's always the mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's hard to know what's going to be important,
Speaker 1: and when you have kids who won't necessarily absorb information.
Speaker 1: What do you need to make a big deal about?
Speaker 1: And then when you make a big deal about it,
Speaker 1: then they make a big deal about it when it's
Speaker 1: there's many points of etiquette that are supposed to be subtle. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: but you have to know them, so to get the
Speaker 1: kids to know them, you have to be not subtle.
Speaker 1: But then they are not subtle, and then you look
Speaker 1: stupid either way. Regardless of what happens, mom looks bad.
Speaker 1: Of course, nobody ever blames the kid. Where are the parents?
Speaker 1: Why didn't their mother tell them? So it's like it's
Speaker 1: it's hard to know what to make a big deal
Speaker 1: about and what to just hope they're never in a
Speaker 1: situation where.
Speaker 2: They have right and things change like you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Probably many things that you know weren't you know, they
Speaker 4: just change over time, and you know, are you You
Speaker 4: can't flash forward like you're on loss figure it out?
Speaker 1: You can flash back though, and relive the time you
Speaker 1: did the wrong thing over and over again.
Speaker 2: That is true.
Speaker 1: Somebody, please hit me in the head with the baseball
Speaker 1: fan so I can go someplace else.
Speaker 2: Now, let me give me, as he says, give me
Speaker 2: another chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like this is a particularly treacherous time
Speaker 1: because there are a lot of different people expecting a
Speaker 1: lot of different things. And I live in fear of
Speaker 1: one of my kids, both of whom work in jobs
Speaker 1: where they interact with the public, one of my kids
Speaker 1: calling somebody sir who does not consider themselves a sir
Speaker 1: or ma'am. Likewise, I'm constantly worried about one of them
Speaker 1: ending up splashed across social media as this horrible person
Speaker 1: who called me the wrong thing. And I don't know
Speaker 1: how to tell them not to do that. What do
Speaker 1: we because because there isn't a gender, yeah, there's there's
Speaker 1: not a neutral term of respect. And for many many people,
Speaker 1: calling them mam or sir would be a positive thing.
Speaker 1: People like that, it's respectful. But for the wrong person,
Speaker 1: it's going to be a disaster. So I can't tell
Speaker 1: them not to do it. I can't tell them to
Speaker 1: do it. I can't say, please, ask to see their
Speaker 1: driver's license and see what gender they have put down
Speaker 1: and then call them by that. You know, it's just like,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you navigate that? That's a
Speaker 1: that's a big if the etiquette issue at the moment, Yeah,
Speaker 1: at least if you're if your kids are going to
Speaker 1: be interacting with the general public and people they don't
Speaker 1: know and just trying to get through a work day.
Speaker 1: Here are your fries individual.
Speaker 2: Right insert respectful title here exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put those in your card for you person.
Speaker 3: Right, and then you just like, like, you just leave
Speaker 3: it out, and then that doesn't seem right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the people who expect to hear it
Speaker 1: will be mad at you. Right, So you're just kind
Speaker 1: of screwed no matter what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just they're the age of your mother.
Speaker 1: You can probably go with that's right. If it's because
Speaker 1: younger people don't don't want to be man or don't
Speaker 1: want to be mam, I mean maybe sir, they don't
Speaker 1: care about But yeah, lady and dude, do we call
Speaker 1: them bro?
Speaker 2: Let's just do bro?
Speaker 1: Bro? Yeah, bruh you but don't but don't call the
Speaker 1: older guy brou because they they will complain to your manager.
Speaker 1: I just I feel like the only answer to this
Speaker 1: is to get them out of public facing jobs. Well,
Speaker 1: this is just too complicated. No more, No more fast
Speaker 1: food and parking lot work for you, right, I you know,
Speaker 1: maybe there'll be a simpler time coming up, but right
Speaker 1: now it's too fraud. Just home. Yeah, we'll sign we'll
Speaker 1: sign you up for you know, unemployment. It'll be fine,
Speaker 1: all right, Ay, yeah, yeah, I do. You know. One
Speaker 1: of the things that was an if the etiquette issue
Speaker 1: for me and I might have mentioned this the last
Speaker 1: time we talked about it is I grew up in California,
Speaker 1: where I don't think that we have, at least in
Speaker 1: the circles, in the Protestant circles I was running in.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have the whole death structure they
Speaker 1: have here in Italian New Jersey circles, which is like
Speaker 1: a visitation here, then another visitation, then a third visitation,
Speaker 1: and then everybody goes to the cemetery, and then we
Speaker 1: bury the person, and then we have a party. There's
Speaker 1: a lot. I think we just had a church in California.
Speaker 1: I think we just had a church service and a burial,
Speaker 1: which not everybody went to. I think that's all there was.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, and not a lot of people
Speaker 1: I knew died when I was young, so whereas here.
Speaker 1: I mean, my son is really good at wakes. That
Speaker 1: is something he has learned. He has been to enough
Speaker 1: wakes that he knows what you say, sorry for your loss,
Speaker 1: and you know, so I'm always feeling like I'm doing
Speaker 1: the wrong thing, Like which one are we supposed to
Speaker 1: go to? Which one of these things that were supposed
Speaker 1: to go to? Do we go to the other thing
Speaker 1: as well? Where?
Speaker 2: Which really totally depends on how you're connected to that person.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, I mean we recently had somebody passed away
Speaker 1: in my husband's family. Well it's always my husband's family
Speaker 1: because I have no family here, but well they're my
Speaker 1: family as well. But anyway, is somebody that I knew
Speaker 1: and that wesed went to his house many times and
Speaker 1: he and his wife were always very kind to me,
Speaker 1: but we hadn't seen in a long time. And there
Speaker 1: was like three visitations, like I said, three visitations a
Speaker 1: burial and one assumes a party afterwards. And I was like,
Speaker 1: do we go which one of these things do we
Speaker 1: go to? Should we go to the burial, should we
Speaker 1: go to the wake? Should we go? What do we go?
Speaker 1: And he was like trying to Hamminy and huying too,
Speaker 1: and you know, do we wear a suit? Do we wear?
Speaker 1: What do you wear? And when his like when his
Speaker 1: parents were alive. They drove this. We're going, yess that
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. Please come pick us up
Speaker 1: or whatever. But now that it's just us, I mean,
Speaker 1: his brother and sister came from Pennsylvania and they went
Speaker 1: to one. His sister came from New York from one
Speaker 1: and they went so they went to the same one,
Speaker 1: and then we went to a different one. And then
Speaker 1: I was thinking we were going to go to the
Speaker 1: funeral the next day, but he decided not to. And
Speaker 1: it's like it's this whole I don't want to offend anybody, right,
Speaker 1: And then you go there and you're just you don't
Speaker 1: really know anybody, and you have conversation with a couple
Speaker 1: of people you do, and then you're just sitting there.
Speaker 1: How long do we sit here? Do we sit here
Speaker 1: for the whole time? Can we leave early? Where's the signing?
Speaker 1: You got to sign in? Where's the signing?
Speaker 2: Let's let everyone know we were here for sure.
Speaker 1: Like there's I feel like there's an etiquette that I
Speaker 1: don't know. And then I'm always going to do something
Speaker 1: and people are gonna look at me like what are
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah, that's that's a tough one for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I guess different things done do get done
Speaker 1: different ways in different cultures, in different parts of the
Speaker 1: country and.
Speaker 2: In different families.
Speaker 1: It yeah, and I don't know, yes, a lot.
Speaker 2: Right, And then will it change by the next time,
Speaker 2: you know, depending on what exactly that person is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's you know, there was a very
Speaker 1: small amount of people we knew, and then just a
Speaker 1: lot of other people. And then you want to talk
Speaker 1: to the person that you know, but everybody else does too,
Speaker 1: So it's like you have to take your turn and
Speaker 1: walk away. Yeah, and goes in someplace just look at
Speaker 1: all these people and go do you know these people?
Speaker 1: The people?
Speaker 2: Right? Hmmm, Well it's a challenge, just yeah, like so
Speaker 2: many things.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and like there seems to be a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of etiquette that used to be a
Speaker 1: thing that's not anymore, right, and if you expect it,
Speaker 1: are you a fuddy duddy or are you training your
Speaker 1: children to be good people?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I don't know good My children would say, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a fuddy duddy.
Speaker 2: You don't do that anymore man, right, Yeah, And then
Speaker 2: that just makes like, wait a minute, did I become
Speaker 2: the old person? Now? Like you know, Oh, we don't
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Yes, we became the old person, that is for sure.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean we can't still do the wrong thing,
Speaker 1: say the wrong thing, step in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But training your kids to not is difficult because you
Speaker 1: don't even know what the situation. We don't even know
Speaker 1: what the situations are anymore. Not only do you not
Speaker 1: know what the etiquette is, we don't know what the
Speaker 1: situations are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we there's no way to predict either.
Speaker 1: So just teach them to say thank you if somebody
Speaker 1: gives them a ride someplace, if somebody gives them a meal,
Speaker 1: if somebody does something nice of them. Thank you is
Speaker 1: gender neutral. You don't have to worry about it. You
Speaker 1: can just say, you know, generally people like to hear it. Yes,
Speaker 1: So that's one piece of etiquette we can pass down
Speaker 1: to the kids, even if you're not sure whether it's
Speaker 1: right to say or not.
Speaker 2: You know, I say thank you and please.
Speaker 1: Please also please is good.
Speaker 2: Yes, these are things that we we start with when
Speaker 2: they're tiny babies.
Speaker 1: Have you come upon in your archive searches an etiquette
Speaker 1: book for children?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? In my library?
Speaker 1: Work in your library?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I have and okay, well I'm
Speaker 2: not sure I found a good one.
Speaker 1: I would be super interested to find out what children's
Speaker 1: books writers today feel is important etiqutte.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be on the lookout and report back.
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Speaker 2: links to a lot of the things we've talked about
Speaker 2: over the years.