WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:08.880 Monster House Presents. 2 00:00:13.439 --> 00:00:16.120 It's actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before. 3 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:23.839 A giant, hairy creature. Park eighte part in Luckness, a 4 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:27.120 twenty four mile long bottomless lake in the Highlands of Scotland. 5 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:53.039 It's a creature known as the Luckness Monster. Monster Talk. 6 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:58.200 Welcome to Monster Talk, the science show about monsters. I'm 7 00:00:58.240 --> 00:00:59.320 Blake Smith. 8 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:00.880 And I'm Karen Hey. 9 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:03.880 They're Monster Talkers. This is Blake Smith reporting live from 10 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:07.599 Cryptic Con twenty twenty four. What follows is a discussion 11 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.159 that Karen and I had last night about the events 12 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:12.599 of the first day of Cryptic Con. I would not 13 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:14.799 be here were it not for the general support of 14 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:16.760 our listeners, so thank you so much for making this 15 00:01:16.799 --> 00:01:19.599 episode possible. My apologies for the audio quality of these 16 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.439 in caps. This is not my normal recording equipment and 17 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:26.079 I need to clearly invest in a travel kit for 18 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:30.840 doing this kind of stuff on the road. Most well, 19 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.879 thank you for meeting with me on such short notice. 20 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:36.599 I know this wasn't exactly how things were planned for 21 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:38.480 this weekend, but this is Hey. 22 00:01:38.640 --> 00:01:40.640 We fly by the seat of our pants. 23 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.040 Lucky to get off the ground, lucky to get I'm. 24 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:47.959 Really excited that you're at crypto Con and I want 25 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:49.719 to hear all about bitcoin and a theory. 26 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:55.040 Oh, it's so cool, it's so cool. That's extraordinarily funny. Yeah, yeah, 27 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:59.799 it's cryptid Con. Yeah. I got onto some ban lists 28 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:02.879 on Blue Sky, which I've moved over to Blue Sky. 29 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:06.480 I'm enjoying it there. But somebody, yeah, well you actually 30 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.319 brought that to my attention that someone had put me 31 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:13.439 on a band list because of Yeah, yeah, exactly, crypto 32 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:15.199 cryptid exactly. 33 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:17.360 Well, so easy to confuse the two. 34 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:19.039 I think. What did I say back is that there's 35 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:21.400 bullshit and then there's bullshit, right. 36 00:02:23.439 --> 00:02:23.960 Distinction. 37 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:28.680 Yeah, so yeah, you are in Kentucky. 38 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:33.439 Yeah, Juli Ryan, you know what. Okay, first of all, 39 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:35.520 let me say I wouldn't be here if it hadn't 40 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:38.080 been for the fans coming together, because literally the day 41 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:41.439 before I was about to leave my van, water pump 42 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:46.520 failed and we just, yeah, absolute disaster. People came together 43 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:48.319 and helped us out, and so I was able to 44 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:51.840 salvage the trip, which I was delighted by. For the patrons, 45 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:56.360 I gave little video and audio postcards along the way. 46 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.960 I did make it up to Kelly Hopkinsville successfully, you're 47 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:00.719 more about that later. 48 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:03.319 I guess, well, this is a very important business. 49 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:03.960 It is. 50 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:05.879 I mean, I mean, you need to report to. 51 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.240 Us from me, I need to report. But also it 52 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.199 was like my wife was so upset that I wasn't 53 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:14.080 going because she's like and I thought. 54 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:15.759 Well that alone was worth the trip. 55 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:18.400 It was suspicious, but she really she knew how much 56 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:20.039 I wanted to go. She really did not want me 57 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.439 moping around the house all week and complaining that I 58 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:25.840 wasn't there. So I appreciate it so much from everybody, 59 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:26.319 so thank you. 60 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:29.639 We appreciate our listeners so much. 61 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:33.240 So much, so much, especially, I mean, we appreciate all 62 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:36.479 of you, but your patrons really really helped us out 63 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.800 and you keep her bills paid and we are extraordinarily grateful. 64 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:46.240 And if you're not a patron, you suck. No, not really, no, 65 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.319 But we appreciate all our listeners, you know, but if 66 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:52.240 every little bit helps, so you know, if you can't 67 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.800 be a patren, we appreciate it a lot. But here 68 00:03:55.840 --> 00:03:58.280 I am, I'm in Cryptid Central, I'm in Cryptic Con 69 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.360 and Lexi, Kentucky, and I thought I would report back 70 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.319 on the day's events because I basically spend all day 71 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:06.400 listening to lectures, which was great. 72 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.479 Yeah, well, I've just got a couple of questions up front. 73 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:11.919 How long has it been around for? 74 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:12.719 Oh? 75 00:04:13.199 --> 00:04:15.000 I know, I was at the first one, which I 76 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:20.439 think was twenty seventeen maybe maybe okay years now, yeah, yeah, 77 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:22.839 several years. Of course they had to shut down for 78 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:23.759 COVID like everything. 79 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:28.199 Yes, yeah, yeah, but yeah, there. 80 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.839 Were some surprises here. This was really I mean it's 81 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.839 first of all, you know, if you like monsters, cryptic 82 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.279 comes are really great convention if you need to get 83 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.920 your branding updated, because holy cal they've got some great 84 00:04:39.959 --> 00:04:45.199 vendors here with just some tremendous items posters, t shirts, buttons. 85 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:47.560 If you love cryptids, they've got you covered, I mean, 86 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:52.040 and some of them are extraordinary. There's a Loveland Frog 87 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.680 artists down here who's like made a like a poster 88 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:57.639 for the lovel of Frog and it's so accurate to 89 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.120 the original, yet artistically more thatch than the original. So 90 00:05:01.160 --> 00:05:04.399 the original Littland Frog was very lopsided and weird and 91 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:07.959 had a magic wand and yeah it's a very strange story. 92 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:10.879 But he clearly has read his material as well as 93 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:14.959 being a skilled artist, so I fantastic. Yeah, I'm gonna 94 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:16.800 have to figure out how to get some of that stuff. 95 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:20.959 That guy's name is Jeff Collins with a K Star 96 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.920 Cruiser Studios. No, he doesn't give me anything for that, 97 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.079 but I just have to mention how freaking amazing that 98 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:26.680 stuff was. 99 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.360 So yeah, yeah, I've seen some videos on YouTube. It 100 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:31.360 seems like there's a lot of cool merch there for 101 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:32.720 any Cryptid fans. 102 00:05:33.120 --> 00:05:35.079 Now, when they did this years ago, like when they 103 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:37.720 first started, they had kind of like a split track, 104 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.600 so you kind of had to pick between speakers. This year, 105 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.000 this hotel doesn't really have a setup for that, so 106 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.680 it's all one main track. They have seating for about 107 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:49.720 four hundred and fifty people. It's a little more than 108 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:51.360 that because there's some seats in the back that're just 109 00:05:51.399 --> 00:05:52.360 kind of loosey goosey. 110 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:58.040 But I have to ask, is this conference for everyone 111 00:05:58.240 --> 00:05:59.839 or is it mostly for believers? 112 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.480 Their mix of skeptics and believers. 113 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.920 Yeah, that's a good question. I would say it's very 114 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:11.279 much geared towards people who watch paranormal and Cryptid TV. 115 00:06:12.800 --> 00:06:16.920 It's put together by TV ghost Hunters, and there are 116 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:21.279 ghost hunters here and there's some UFO people here, and 117 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:25.480 we'll get to that. There's some surprising people. I sort 118 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:27.240 of the headliner doesn't really have much to do with 119 00:06:27.279 --> 00:06:31.399 cryptids at all, but he was certainly a presence here. 120 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:34.279 So yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing about that. Yeah, 121 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:36.800 so where do we begin, Well, let's start with the. 122 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:43.079 First talk was by Charlie Raymond, who has been on 123 00:06:43.160 --> 00:06:47.800 TV before. He is the head of the Kentucky Bigfoot 124 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:53.399 Research Organization, which sounds similar to the Bigfoot Field Research Organization, 125 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:57.000 and apparently he works with them. I don't know how 126 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:58.560 much he works with him. He told me or he 127 00:06:58.600 --> 00:07:00.680 told me he told everyone because it was giving a lecture. 128 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:06.000 He has about seven hundred cases that he has. I 129 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.519 don't know if investigated is the right word. Interviewed the people, 130 00:07:09.600 --> 00:07:14.439 he's interviewed the witnesses and collected data about that. But 131 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:19.160 that's a private database. And you know, I think one 132 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:23.480 of the problems with these sort of fringe ideas is 133 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.399 people hoard their data and so you don't know if 134 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:30.480 are you repeating investigations, are you making important insights? You know? 135 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:32.720 Could someone else have something to add, you know? 136 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:34.480 So that makes me think of that. 137 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:40.120 Gabriel amph you know, the exorcist in Rome, and he 138 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.079 claimed that he'd done something like one hundred thousand exorcisms, 139 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:46.680 but some of them were exercising the public if there 140 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.399 was a big crowd of people. So yeah, it sounds 141 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.360 like a bit of fudging maybe. 142 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:55.199 Yeah, or at least you know, in some sense, a 143 00:07:55.279 --> 00:07:58.160 lot of cryptosology people are not doing science, but they're 144 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:00.279 emulating it, you. 145 00:08:00.199 --> 00:08:02.680 Know what their version, their brains, right. 146 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:08.519 But as someone who loves cryptozoology and loves monsters, what 147 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:11.879 I wish is there was more of a scientific base, 148 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:14.759 like some baseline training. All these people going out in 149 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:17.800 the woods could be doing citizens science. You know, bird 150 00:08:17.879 --> 00:08:22.240 watchers collect data and share it, amateur astronomers. The Bigfoot 151 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:25.000 world does not have to be locked up in just 152 00:08:25.240 --> 00:08:27.040 it's just stories. It didn't have to be that way, 153 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:29.040 it just is, and I wish that would change. 154 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:31.720 Well, I want to ask you to just explain a 155 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:34.840 phrase to when you texted me earlier this morning. You 156 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:35.720 said it's a pelts and. 157 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:39.879 Pause crowd, and I'm wondering exactly what does that mean 158 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:40.879 for our listeners. 159 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:44.639 Well, and this is very on point for his talk. 160 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:48.960 So pelts and pause or is basically the idea that 161 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.519 whatever Bigfoot is, our cryptids are that they're real, physical, 162 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:57.159 natural animals, just mysterious and hidden, but they're real, they're normal, 163 00:08:57.240 --> 00:08:59.759 they're biological, they have DNA, et cetera. 164 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:02.320 So legendary creature is that kind of. 165 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:05.039 Thing, right, right? Right? I mean there was a table 166 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:06.919 here for the ho Dag because they're putting together a 167 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.320 Hodag festival, but nobody believes there's literally a Hodag. It's 168 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.759 very tongue in cheek. It always has been, it was, 169 00:09:12.799 --> 00:09:16.840 it was, yes, much more, can't we have? I don't 170 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:18.679 think we've ever done a pure episode on this, but 171 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:21.600 this whole the whole idea of like the lumberjack monsters, 172 00:09:21.679 --> 00:09:26.240 like the the Colorado was it the sidewrock Slider, the 173 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:31.279 one oh that I h yeah, that's just stolen from 174 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:33.399 that's funny. But there's a bunch of those, you know, 175 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:36.559 there's there's there's so many of those, like they're just 176 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:43.519 campfire stories for lumberjacks. Yeah, we love them, we do, 177 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.159 uh you know, I I love basically all monsters. But 178 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:49.360 but but the Pelts and Paul's crowd really wanted to 179 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:53.240 be biological. But Charlie, when he started his talk before 180 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.679 he ever got into talking about, you know, the data 181 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:58.919 he's collected and the expeditions he's been on. He asked 182 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:05.480 the audience for what did they think, you know, and yeah, no, 183 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:08.600 I didn't do a headcount, but I did some eyeballing. 184 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:10.840 So it looked like so some eye rolling. 185 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:15.200 Well, so let's say there, I believe there were about 186 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:17.720 four hundred and fifty seats on the floor and then 187 00:10:17.720 --> 00:10:21.240 it was about eighty percent full at that first talk. 188 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:23.799 And when he asked, first of all, he said, you know, 189 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:29.279 do you think Bigfoot might be paranormal? That got about 190 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.840 five percent of the audience to raise their hands. When 191 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.480 he said flesh and blood, he got about twenty percent. 192 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:38.639 When he said a combo, that number dropped. It looked 193 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:42.120 maybe like fifteen percent. He asked if people thought it 194 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:47.159 might be aliens? A few more than more than five. 195 00:10:47.240 --> 00:10:49.559 Georgio put his hand on he was back in the. 196 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.240 Yeah, he was back there selling autographs or whatever. But 197 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.679 then he said, to think it might be a government experiment, 198 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.840 and one person raised their hand, you know, or a 199 00:10:56.879 --> 00:10:59.480 government cover up. You know. Also you know what that was, 200 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:04.759 you it was. It's funny he said that because like 201 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.200 one person raised their hand, and maybe what he should 202 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.000 have done is asked to survey again after he gave 203 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:12.080 his talk, because he did tie into that whole missing 204 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:15.120 four one one stuff and how the national parks have 205 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:18.320 people missing and maybe maybe they know something, you know, 206 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:20.759 that kind of thing. So he was leaning into that 207 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:24.519 towards the end. But he said he had six hundred 208 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:28.879 and eighty eight documented reports and then he's got I 209 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:32.279 guess twenty two that are super secret that people don't 210 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:36.759 want to be, you know, revealed. So since nobody can 211 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:39.000 see these reports at all, it feels like they're all hidden. 212 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:40.759 But whatever, does. 213 00:11:40.600 --> 00:11:43.759 He plan to share them at any stage or not? 214 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.360 I don't know. I'm actually planning to maybe talk to 215 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:51.200 him and to talk to Cliff Barrickman tomorrow if I 216 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:54.200 get a chance. Cliff. When I met Cliff at twenty 217 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:56.879 nineteen at this convention, and he was willing to come 218 00:11:56.879 --> 00:11:59.919 on to Monster Talk, but then something happened like it's 219 00:12:00.000 --> 00:12:01.879 when I can't remember what it was, but it really 220 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:04.919 distracted me and I lost track of things. I can't 221 00:12:04.679 --> 00:12:06.879 don't remember what it was. Anyway, whatever that was, it's 222 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:12.600 over now, and I I need to talk to Cliff 223 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.879 because he was one of the talks, So we'll get 224 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:19.159 to him in a minute. But I really like him 225 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:21.879 and enjoy chatting with him, so I'd love to have 226 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:26.399 him on only he wanted to talk about possible in 227 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.320 twenty nineteen. He wanted to talk about possible human ancestors 228 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:34.440 that might still be relic populations that could account for 229 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:37.039 Bigfoot stories. But what I really want to talk to 230 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:41.759 it is interesting. I am grossly unqualified to talk about 231 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:47.080 human like the sort of that sort of anthropological view 232 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:50.679 of ancient humans. But what I am interested in talking 233 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:53.879 about he might be interested in talking about is And 234 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:57.559 I have to ask, is this exact thing we're talking about, 235 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:00.360 which is the split between the Pelts and Paul flesh 236 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.840 and blood people and the paranormal people. Because there's so 237 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:08.000 much paranormal stuff here, you know, and if you I 238 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:10.639 feel like the Pelts and Pause people feel like that's 239 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:15.159 not being a serious investigator. If you're looking for portal 240 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:20.039 Bigfoot or ultra dimensional Bigfoot or demonic Bigfoot or angelic Bigfoot, 241 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:24.759 that those things aren't science. I'm here quote those aren't scientific. 242 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:27.720 So yeah, I could see there being some rivalry and 243 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.200 a real split between those two groups. 244 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:33.639 Exactly. I think the most interesting thing was as subdued 245 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.080 as Charlie was. He kept talking about, you know, you 246 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:39.440 don't get guaranteed you'll have an experience, but then he 247 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:41.120 would say things like when you're on one of these 248 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:45.120 adventures and then like a big male bigfoot bluff charge 249 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.200 of you. You know, it changes your life, you know. 250 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:48.440 And I'm like, wait a minute. 251 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:51.000 You know, Okay, you just said the. 252 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:54.120 Forest was safe, but also you're being bluff charged by 253 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:58.080 giant male big feet. So yeah, I don't know mix 254 00:13:58.200 --> 00:13:59.320 signals MC signals. 255 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:02.240 Well did he talk about evidence that he had. 256 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:06.320 He did, and he showed some video. His evidence was 257 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:11.600 primarily audio. He got into the Sierra Sounds and talked 258 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:16.200 about nice he had a uh he I guess one 259 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:18.200 of the interesting things was he had recording here in 260 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:24.799 Kentucky recent that was a very close sound structure map 261 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:29.080 to the original Sierra Sounds whooping sounds. And he showed 262 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.120 a video where he compared a human whooping into a 263 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.679 microphone to what they got in those recordings. And so 264 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:38.519 I haven't had a chance to sort of like dive 265 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:40.279 in on that at all or see if that's stuff 266 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:42.840 that we could look at because it's very visual, even 267 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:44.120 though it's an audio presentation. 268 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:47.519 Yeah, that's sort of stuff that interest me. 269 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:51.360 I mean, yeah, no, no, of course. Yeah. And Ron 270 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:54.519 Mooreheads still alive and the Sierra Sounds are copyrighted, so 271 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:56.840 I've always been hesitant to play them on the show. 272 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:59.279 I know a lot of book bigfoot people do, but 273 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.919 they're not in the public domain. This is, you know, so, 274 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:04.600 and I don't know how lightgious mister moorehead is, but 275 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:08.000 I'd love to talk about that at least, you know, 276 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:14.600 under exactly if we're adding commentary and analysis, I'm sure 277 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:18.440 it's fine, but yeah, yeah. 278 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:17.639 Some days. 279 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.279 Oh I think at the end of his talk, he said, 280 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.519 just kind of in passing, it's like, you know, and 281 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:27.919 one of the most startling stories I've heard was about 282 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:31.559 the Fort Knox Bigfoot massacre. In my eyes, you know 283 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:36.759 what it's like, Yeah, he said, I guess an old 284 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:41.639 soldier from Fort Knox gave a deathbed confession that the 285 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:45.200 army had killed or Bigfoot but let a young one 286 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.000 get away. And I was like, yeah, I would love 287 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.519 to hear more about that story. But yeah, like all 288 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.080 deathbed confessions, this one is or maybe not all over 289 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:57.879 like this, but this one is a deathbed confession, unattributed 290 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:02.039 to any particular person, so certainly newsed to me. 291 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:06.480 Yes, it'll be a hallucination or something. I don't know, 292 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:10.039 you gotta wonder, but yeah, like to hear more about 293 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:10.519 that too. 294 00:16:13.960 --> 00:16:18.120 Yeah, but if he was, you know, dipping into the paranormal. 295 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:25.000 The next group was bathing in it so or eleven 296 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:30.519 forty five talk was from a YouTube channel called Hellbent Holler, 297 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:33.559 which is the husband and wife team of Jesse and 298 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:34.440 Joe Doyle. 299 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:38.720 And I must admit I have not heard of them before. 300 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.399 I hadn't either, No, no, no, this was the first 301 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:46.120 I'd heard of them. They seem, you know, the name 302 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:49.960 of their group is Hellbent Holler. I can't help but 303 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:53.679 feel like they're kind of doing a sort of more 304 00:16:53.960 --> 00:16:56.799 cryptid version of the hellier stuff. 305 00:16:57.080 --> 00:16:59.759 Oh yeah, yeah, that kind of was in the back 306 00:16:59.799 --> 00:17:00.320 of mind. 307 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.720 Yeah, so, I don't know. I mean, they very much 308 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:10.519 kept talking about their experiences being bordering on They kept 309 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.799 bruning into the occult signs of people performing rituals in 310 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:17.000 the woods of North Georgia and in the land between 311 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:20.119 the Lakes. The land between the Lakes is a park 312 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:24.559 area here in Kentucky between two bodies of waters is 313 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:27.640 like a I think they called it the longest inland 314 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:30.559 isthmuth in the United States. I don't know, but it's 315 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.000 people go camping there and stuff. But people have been 316 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:37.240 reporting a lot of weird things there, and so when 317 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:39.480 they go out and do their videos, they're finding things 318 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:43.480 like the blair Witch style little hanging stuff from trees. 319 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:47.559 They did a lot of stuff with brown mountain lights. 320 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.119 What they showed us some video that was really interesting, 321 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:52.319 but it looked more like a UFO than anything I've 322 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:54.200 ever seen. The brown mountain lights. 323 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.839 Described as so, why is it bigfoot? 324 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:01.799 Then it's involving all this paranormal activity. 325 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:02.759 What makes it bigfoot? 326 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:05.680 Oh yeah, No, they weren't saying it's all bigfoot. But 327 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:13.680 they basically do cryptids, creepy, the occult, anything that's kind 328 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:18.400 of weird or dark or mysterious. But uh, I noticed gear, 329 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:22.880 tactical gear, and uh they both carry. There's they've got 330 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:24.799 a bunch of videos with them firing guns and shooting 331 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:27.960 machine guns and stuff, and and uh, there's one video 332 00:18:27.960 --> 00:18:30.119 they were heard a noise and Joe pulled his pistol 333 00:18:30.119 --> 00:18:32.240 out was pointing his flashlight as pistol in the dark, 334 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:37.160 and I'm like, I I didn't I don't know how 335 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:40.240 I feel about that. Not safe. I don't want to 336 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:44.200 go to Bigfoot somebody's you know, packing heat because if 337 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:47.839 tensions get high, Uh, I feel. 338 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:50.359 Like I have a very yeah with this crowd. 339 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.240 I don't know. Yeah. But on the other hand, they 340 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:57.240 look like the kind of people who could sell black 341 00:18:57.319 --> 00:18:59.000 rifle coffee. I mean, you know what I mean, like 342 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:05.960 they they they I don't know, I don't know. They 343 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:11.559 seem nice enough, but it's super divorced from critical thinking, 344 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:15.400 is I guess, kind of way of putting it. Reported 345 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:18.319 a lot of tree structures. They made a special note 346 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:21.440 that people had put a circle of quartz stone around 347 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:25.960 a witch tree. Uh, and they were hearing humming sounds. 348 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.920 So I mean they're all over the board with what 349 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:28.559 they're into. 350 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.279 Yeah. Yeahs pretty mundane summertime. 351 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:37.200 Yeah yeah. Yeah. 352 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:42.039 So the things that we've talked about, like the tree structures. 353 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:45.880 Yes, oh yeah, that's so right. And I thought that 354 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:48.240 was kind of funny because several people that seemed to 355 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:51.319 be a topic of contentionent here. Some people are like, yeah, 356 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.160 that's uh, you don't need to have a bigfoot to 357 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:56.319 get those. That's just happened, And there's other people like 358 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:59.200 that's clearly the work of an intelligent creature building something 359 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:05.640 like what are they building? Yeah? Yeah, but the big 360 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:08.279 you know, the big speaker, the big speaker comes in 361 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:13.960 at one like a rock star, really really really you know. 362 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:18.680 And I say that, but like everybody had introductory videos 363 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:20.880 where they played rock and roll music and showed little 364 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:22.799 clips of them running around in night vision. 365 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:28.279 I'm not even joking, Like, so we're talking about of 366 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:29.720 course Georgio. 367 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.920 Georgio Suculo's now you may I you know, he didn't. 368 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.200 I was kind of disappointed. I was excited to see 369 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:39.799 him in real life, just to see how tall he is. 370 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:41.839 Is he really as orange as he looks on the internet? 371 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:43.839 And the answer is no. His hair is absolutely just 372 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:46.200 as big, but his skin is not nearly his orange. 373 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:47.759 So yeah, okay. 374 00:20:48.000 --> 00:20:48.440 Interesting. 375 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:51.240 He was a very passion speaker. 376 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:55.160 Yeah, well, but I mean that is one thing I 377 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:57.759 like about him. He is I mean, he says a 378 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:01.000 lot of ridiculous things, but his passion for the topic 379 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:04.160 is very really rubs. 380 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:06.279 Off and yeah it's infectious as. 381 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:06.839 Long as you can. 382 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:08.640 Yeah, it is as long as you can sit down 383 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:10.680 with some popcorn and treat it for what it is 384 00:21:11.039 --> 00:21:11.920 and not believe in it. 385 00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:12.960 I think he's good fun. 386 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:19.960 Yes, there's more like ancient failures podcasters what they kept 387 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:21.799 talking about it being a show to this design. So 388 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:24.240 you could be making dinner and walk through the living 389 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:26.200 room and go, oh, that's interesting and walk back to 390 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:26.720 the kitchen. 391 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:33.480 That's right, something for the dinner party. But so you 392 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:35.200 said that he did it. It was a kind of a 393 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:36.160 Q and a say. 394 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:39.559 That was what I was disappointed by. It was absolutely 395 00:21:39.599 --> 00:21:43.880 an Ama asked me anything, and everybody wanted to ask 396 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:47.960 about the congressional hearings on UFOs, the cover up when 397 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:51.079 this disclosure coming, Like I am to be blunt, i 398 00:21:51.079 --> 00:21:54.480 am not a cryptic con for UFOs. I'm a crypto 399 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:58.519 con for cryptids. So I got a little bored of that. 400 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:02.440 So yeah, and I guess he is just a kind 401 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:05.880