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Andy Edwards. Are you doing Andy, I'm very well. Thanks
for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, first time on the show. You gotta do it.
Speaker 1: You got to tell everybody a little bit about yourself.
Speaker 3: Okay, I am I'm gen X, I'm a seventh generation
Oregonian and I'm a father of three. You know, maybe
that's enough to start with. Is there anything else that
you'd like to know? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, No, that sounds great.
Speaker 1: You know we can we can get into it because
we're going to talk about the book that you you wrote,
King of Dogs. When did you write that? It's been
out a little while, hasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was published in right at the end of twenty nineteen,
so pretty much twenty twenty, and it had been floating
around with me since about two thousand and eight. It
took quite a while to complete, and you know, it
was a long and we can get into that if
you want the whole The whole publishing of it was
was quite a saga.
Speaker 1: Sure, why don't you tell everybody a little bit about
your background? Let me ask, were you in the military?
Speaker 3: No, nope, I'm in the military. No.
Speaker 2: I uh, okay, I get that.
Speaker 3: Question a lot, because there's there's a lot of overlap
in you know, in the details of the book. And
somewhere around twenty ten or so, when a lot of
the the GAT guys head were cycling back, civilian training
became a real thing and you could get and you
still can, obviously right now, get you know, some of
the best quality tactical training in the world. I mean,
I tend to think that there are civilian just dudes,
you know, computer programmers, salesmen, what have you, that are
running around America that if you cobbled them together, you know,
there's skill sets far exceed probably you know, many militaries
around the world. So I did. I had the opportunity,
I got really lucky to dip into a ton of training.
So you know, a lot of that was guns, a
lot of it was just more survival tracking these types
of things. And like I say, it comes up a
lot just because it's it's a you know, you read
the book, it's a big piece of it.
Speaker 2: Why write a book?
Speaker 1: So, you know, my idea, if I was ever to
write a book would be probably humors to tell everybody
what I you know, how smart I am trying and
explain how smart I am to everyone, and you know
what I've learned over the year, and try to distill
it down into something that pretty much anyone could read,
but still while trying to sound like the smartest guy
in the room. But that's not usually not fiction. When
someone writes fiction, they're usually doing it for a reason.
So why why write fiction?
Speaker 3: That is a good question. Not for the money. I'll
tell you that it's it's not. I think that. I mean,
I think about this a fair bit because you know,
I'm pushing fifty and this is the life path that
I'm committed to, and I committed to it way back
in about two thousand and two, when like the prevailing
wisdom was, you know kind of head your you have
two options, like you can you can hedge your bets
and ryan be like a professor or something like that,
or you can just burn the ships. No plan B.
And as far as I could tell, starting out, like
the only the only people who really pulled it off
by pulling it up, I mean, wrote a novel that
was really worth your time were those that didn't have
a plan B. And that's like a tough thing to
to sell to like a prospective wife or your parents
or or you know. In many ways, Pete, I would
not recommend this to most people. And you hear this,
you know, and like established, well established novelists will will
tell people like you should really be you should really
question your motives. And that's not to make it too
grandiosa thing. I mean, in the end, it's just stories.
But what what motivated me, I think was a combination
of something true, like a belief in the medium, a
belief in literature, those sorts of kind of high minded ideals,
and then another aspect, which is just purely you kind
of come around to like, well, I don't know that
I can do much else, so and then it turns
out that a lot of novelists will actually support this idea.
It kind of occurs to you at a certain point. Well,
I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a pro athlete. I
love movies, I love books. Could I take a shot
at this and along the way, it's you know, like
I say, it's quite a it's quite a journey. Like
I'm pretty happy with the way with the course I've taken,
though it's been extremely difficult in ways that I could
not have imagined, which is like any you know sort
of journey or.
Speaker 2: Saga.
Speaker 3: I mean you start out like, yeah, I can do this,
and then about halfway through it's like, man, I'm not
sure I.
Speaker 2: Can do this.
Speaker 3: Then that sort of rolls over into into its own
internal element. Well, you better find a way to do this, Andy,
because this is what you're committed to. And I know
that's kind of an odd answer. It's not maybe you know,
a singular thing. It would be very hard for me
to isolate one reason why a guy would do this,
because you're not just going to say, hey I want
to change culture or hey I want to get rich.
None of those make any sense. There are much more
direct paths to do those things, and so it really
ends up being a strange catch all of of like
internal and external motivations. I think.
Speaker 1: We'll get into the you know, like themes of what
you wrote about but you dedicate you dedicated it to
your son. Yeah, are those overarching themes in there?
Speaker 2: Is that? Why? Is is there a connection there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, there's there are Number one. I think that
in trying to understand, going back to your earlier question,
why would a guy do this? I remember as a
kid I grew up you know in mostly in the eighties,
and I would see my dad work a long day,
you know, have dinner, come home, and then apply himself
to a book, you know, lay in bed and read
a book, or lay on the couch read a book.
And I think, looking back on it, there was something
about him doing that that probably led me to believe, like,
this is more important than just drinking beer or maybe
catching up on sleep or even you know, maybe other
things you could have been doing. But I think it
starts there where there's like a circuit, you know, between
father and son, and I'll skip through, you know, some
of the some of the details of my own personal
life to say that now I am. I have been
incredibly lucky. I have three sons young, you know, all
under the age of five. And you know, I've been
in this thing that we're all in, you know, our
thing as we call it, since maybe twenty ten, and
so it's been a while that I've been looking out
at the landscape in America and saying, what are the
prospects or you know, for three you know, above average intelligence,
white guys with blonde hair. And it's looking better right now.
But I mean when I was writing most of this
in you know, say, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, like things
were not looking at good. And so I think that
part of the motivation with fiction in general. And again
I don't mean to be too high minded about this stuff,
but it's kind of like you're trying to reach beyond
normal sort of topical life and yank something back to give.
Because if you as the reader, you know, maybe you
listen to the book, it's ten to fifteen hours of
your life. And so if my presumption is like, yeah,
what I'm giving you is worth it, I think that
entertainment is just fine. Like I love, you know, sort
of profane stuff as much as the next guy. But
if you're going to take a stab at it for real,
which is what my intention was, I feel like you
got to bring something back, and if I did, it
does relate to this father son type of circuit, like
what is our responsibility? How do we and not just
to my boy, but how do I or my boys,
you know, how do I honor my father as well
and my grandfather?
Speaker 1: And well, in the book, you're basically describing like a
crumbling American empire, chaos, rural areas or can be untouched
but still you're getting encroaching threats from, you know, like
merks and cartels. Is that what you saw at the time,
is that what you felt was coming, and that's why
you were writing about it.
Speaker 3: It seemed, it seemed, it still seems like a distinct possibility,
and it always has. And I think that maybe again
going back to one question previously, being in this thing
of ours for quite a while and seeing some ups
and downs and seeing trends come and go a little bit,
you know, the iould remember being a little bit worried
when I put the novel out that people would sort
of associate it with like, uh, prepper level sorts of concerns, fantasy,
and and that I think that the unfortunate facts maybe
of our situation are such that, like, while things look
to be on the upswing right now, they're still incredibly tenuous. Probably,
And I don't I could never. I did my best,
honestly with King of Dogs to try and think what
what maybe could happen, you know, like, is it is
it realistic that like say, Mexican cartels are just going
to overrun America? Well? Now, probably not what's realistic? And
I ended up kind of arriving at what you're what
you're describing there where it's a mixed landscape of of
just general chaos, where there's there's not a lot to
turn on or turn to, but you also don't have
that almost like a relief valve to say, well, it's
obviously the apocalypse and I could probably just phone this
in and quit, like everyone's gonna die anyway. There's a
novel you know, most people are probably familiar with the
Road by Cormick McCarthy. He has this bit at the
beginning where the main protagonist, who else is also a father,
describes his wife, the mother of their son, essentially you know,
coming to him and saying there's no hope. It's total
despair and while I love you guys, and you know,
I'm done, and she just kind of disappears into the
night and it's left to the father in the most
dramatic of possible circumstances are like kind of stark circumstances
to determine, okay, well is she right? Like, you know,
I don't know what you're you're cussing if I can
use swear words, but I think it's okay, you know,
do you just say fuck it? Yeah? Fuck it? I mean,
do you just say fuck it at that point? And I,
you know, I think the sad thing is that a
lot of people actually do will would in those circumstances
either bring themselves around to admit, like, yeah, fuck it,
or find a way to sort of justify it along
the way and effectively also saying fuck it. But I'm
I think that I look down on that. You know,
I can't. It's hard for me to empathize with that.
And I empathize more with the guy who's going to say,
despite every odd whatever the odds are, I am going
to put one more one step in front of another
and keep going. And you know, there's also the element
of I got to kind of make it an interesting
book for people to get through, so.
Speaker 1: Well before we start getting into like characters, and I'll
try to make some para. You know, ask you about parallels.
It really seems like water rights and like corporate mery,
you know, like corporate mercenaries or something that you're concerned with,
or at least at the time you were writing this,
you're concerned with. I don't know if you saw this,
but Newsweek is reporting that a Chinese millionaire, like one
of the Wall test men in China just bought up
a ton of acreage in New Hampshire, which just so
happens to have the reservoir that basically provides water to
the whole state. So you're, what, you know, your main
two of your main themes, and there were water rights
and corporate like corporate mercenaries. So I mean, that's something
I think we've been thinking a lot of us have
been thinking about for a while, and I guess that
was going to have to make it in there, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I you know, the corporate mercenary thing. Like I gather
you're you're kind of like myself. We sort of went through, uh,
maybe a libertarian phase where you know, does this make sense?
And I I don't know entirely where I would stand
on it other than to say maybe it is situational
to some extent at this point. But that said, I mean,
I there was no one in particular that I was
thinking of, like I would never I joke actually a
lot that if I can get this thing made into
a movie, I happen to be just for whatever reasons,
mutuals on X with with Eric Prince, and I would
if I would almost try to insist that he play
a role, you know, like a cameo. I think it'd
be hilarious to have him on there because he gets
he gets such a bad rap. But so setting him
aside just so we know, I'm not like really at
all targeting him, you know, And I know that there
are going to be some serious shitbags out there that
and I tried to complicate it a little bit in
the novel by making it more of an international corpate entity,
which I actually I think is more likely, you know,
I mean, what is the U n You know, there's
probably an argument we can make where in the end
this is this is substantially a corporate sort of body
that just wants to process things and it has you know,
it doesn't care about human rights or ear legalities or
anything like that. And with the with the water rights,
I like I said, I'm a seventh generation or Agonian.
I think that sort of just bled in from being
out here and being on ranches and such. Ah, it's
a big deal, you know. I I there's plenty of
people who are still shooting dudes, you know, their neighbors
out here on occasion over over some little dispute. And
if we did come to a point where where law
and order or the American way, you know, the projections
that we we've seen come and go about Balkanization of America,
which still seems entirely possible to me in some ways.
If that were to play out, you know, the people
who who don't have water and are relying on elaborate
you know, legal mechanisms and deals and payoffs and all
that shit would break down, I would imagine, and you know,
force would would assert itself as well. I tried to
sort of insert maybe like an insinuation that there would
be you know, there may be a technical need for water,
there may be certain certain entities there that and you know,
I'm not a computer guy. Really maybe they've solved the
you know, the cooling issues where with these these data centers.
But a lot of times with fiction, I think that
if you can allude to these things without totally committing it,
sometimes is it's a better read, you know, for for
the reader?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get it. There seems to be a
lot of also spangle Arean themes in there, like uh,
you know, just decline of empires, the cycles and are
you is that Spangler someone you've read in the past
or or am I just reading into that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did a little time with them. I'm not
no scholar, you know, I couldn't. I couldn't even I don't.
Speaker 1: Think that there are very few Spangler Squad scholars because
it's difficult reading.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. I had this. I slogged through stuff
like that anyway. But you know, I go I go
back and forth on this all the time, and I
I make fun of it on on, you know, in
talks and such. Ah. Is it like is it some
sort of metaphysical cycle? Is it just simply yeah? Is
it spiritual? Is it just totally beyond the human capacity
to sort of look at where they're going and say, hey, guys,
let's pump the brakes because shit's starting to break apart
a little, you know, it's getting like like any like
you and I would if we were running a hot
dog stand or something and we weren't making numbers, we'd
be like, hey, let's go have a beer and see
what we're doing wrong. And a lot of the excuses
for that, you know, well, it's it's scale, and it's
they're understandable to a degree, Like like the arguments about
globalism being this this hyper vulnerable. So with all it's
not you know, as they say, robust or what have you. Yeah,
that makes sense, and and there are a lot of good,
good explanations, but I don't know that I I could
really subscribe to any of them. I'm I'm just sort
of always I'm looking at it, you know, I look
at the world like a man. Why do we have
to funck this up so much? You know, like this
doesn't seem like it should be that hard, and I
know it is. But uh, yeah, So with Spangler, I mean,
he makes some great points, but I don't know that
the like the Dorian arc or you know, his various
ideas about architecture or whatever. It's like, yeah, I can
see that there's something there, a nice observation on his part,
but I just don't see how I'm not satisfied entirely
with with those sort of totally intellectual explanations. So I
do tend to sort of wind up more on the
spiritual side of it, which is again a thing. In
King of Dogs, that's kind of I worked very hard
to not. While I wanted to make my hero explicitly Christian,
I also wanted to make him very complicated, which is
how how I am. And you know, a lot of
probably your friends and mine are are their relationship with
Christianity in particular, or or whatever religion. It's complicated, it's
not it's not entire We don't we just don't have
the context anymore, the social capital to rely on these
types of like uh, feedback loops where it's like Pete,
you have faith, yeah, and you have faith. Yeah, Okay,
let's let's let's go. We're just we're just mired in
so much like uncertain to you all the time that
it was very important that I try and try and
sort of convey that and and also convey without being
overwhelming that my read on the world at least is
that there are many many forces in play. And I
you know, I'm sure you tuned into our pal you know,
last night Darryl and Tucker two masters, I mean, probably
the best in the game. And I think that both
of them do a good ship. They did a really
great job actually of eluding, like covering all the facts
meticulously so well while also allowing for there and I
don't mean to read too much into what they said,
but I think that both of them share this idea
that there are other forces at play, and some of
those are our evil and some of them are good.
Speaker 1: I think it plays out in everything in life, you know,
when you when you look at like our the administration
right now, it's very easy to see that there are
different factions vying for power, and there's always different factions
vying for power. And if that's the way it is
in the uh, in the real world, in this way,
it's going to be in the spiritual world. It's just
going to everything is a mirror. Everything down here is
a mirror of what's happening in the world we can't see.
Speaker 3: So absolutely, yeah, I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, that was the next question I was going
to be is whenever anybody writes a main character, it's
always somebody they're close to or it's them. I guess
Grayson is a representative of you in some way.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean there there are there are parts
that are definitely lifted right out of like everything in
the book is is ultimate. There there are some characters
that I think I maybe I have done a better
job of of I don't know what the term is,
but like writing beyond myself, maybe not not just kind
of sinking to this. But in his case, i'd have
to cop to that. Pete, I'd have to say a
lot of his motivations and the way that he behaves
are yeah, things that I believe in, you know, back
to the to the pedo thing. But I don't mean
to you know, jump around on any outlines you have,
But this plays a part in King of Dogs. I mean,
I'm absolutely of the belief that that is. That's not
just like, oh, you know, they need to be punished.
I mean I think they need to be ah, they
need to be executed publicly in the most like brutal
possible way. And I have no problem copying to that.
I really think that that's how as a father, again,
you know, with all of the stuff constantly swirling in
our in our like public lives and what have you,
you kind of I have to think about these things,
just like any father would. I guess, like, well, if
I'm put in this situation, what exactly am I going
to do? And uh, you know, I'm not going to
talk about what I'm going to do. But you know,
just as well as the next guy listening, I think
that's how it has how it always had to be
handled and that's how you know. There you go back
to the how why is that so difficult for us
to work? Because for a while, like shit, everybody from
the judge to the DA to the dad or the
family involved in these horrible things, they knew what the
proper procedure was and it was brutal and swift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was probably the most difficult thing
about listening to that almost three hours yesterday, was knowing
that no one was being held accountable for it. Yeah,
it's just it's just enraging because there was a time when, yeah,
there there were there have been people who've existed in
this world before who knew that that was going on,
accepted that it was going to happen, but also knew
that they would have to be punished, and that they
would have to be punished publicly. And the fact, I
think that probably the worst part of it is is
that you and I realize that this has to be
punished publicly in order for it to in order for
in order for people to understand what order is all about.
But then when you listen to exactly what's happening, you
realize that it's not being punished publicly. It's being flaunted
and almost bragged about publicly. Yeah, and what do you know,
I think more than anyone, probably women watching that last
night would probably I would hope they'd be way more
disturbed than we would be.
Speaker 3: I think you're right, I've said, I think that's a
really good point. Actually. You know how in our circles
we're always hearing about the difficulties that that the youngsters
are having with with regard to finding a wife and
a maid and dating game and all of this stuff.
And that's that's an aspect that I don't think it's
touched on enough. Is those guys are in a spot
where and they know this, it's but where if they
take responsibility for the masculine role in its in its
entirety protective, you know. And I I think that vengeance
justice these things. There's kind of a fine line, perhaps,
but that's part of that role. And you're right, So
all of those women who are watching it, and they
have to wonder about the chain of chain of command
or of possession of the responsibility Along the way, how
many hundreds of men you know, passed the buck and
looked the other way, And who could expect those women
then to respect, whether it's a brother or a husband,
or a boss or a coworker or whatever that just
readjusting that one piece would correct. I think all kinds
of things, you know, all kinds of problems that we're having.
I like a lot of I don't know, you know
what your situation is with I don't know if you're
married and have kids or not. But I mean, just okay,
so just protecting your wife is in certain circumstances, you know,
is a thing you have to take seriously. You know,
if you live in a really safe neighborhood, great good
for you. Not everybody does. I don't constantly have to
travel through super safe places. And then you add the
element of children, and it's like it's it's it's a
minor military operation in some ways. If you're taking it
like seriously, you've got I've got to do intelligence, I've
got to do logistics. I've got you know, forget about
snacks and baby you know, diapers and all the other
thing that is so much additional stress that are you know, Frankly,
our forefathers fought and died for again and gave their lives,
even if they were just architects or what have you
to ensure that we wouldn't have to do shit like that,
that that we could have some amount of like a
reasonable opportunity to to be safe and comfortable. I can't.
I mean, you must be right that the women and
then who do they even turn to talk about it?
They're not going to turn to their two Instagram.
Speaker 1: That's something else I was going to bring up is
you know a lot of people when I when we
talk about this, talking about my buddy Dee and my
buddy Charles, we do with our friend Jose we do
something called the Thought Crime Syndicate, and d and Charles
have been talking for you know, for almost a decade
now about the fix it. And fix it is not
women stepping up to solve our problems, but it's women
getting to a point in society. And this has happened
in the past where they look at their men and
they go fix it. Don't tell me how you're going
to fix it. Don't come please, don't bring it home
with you, but just go fix it. And we're not
at the fix it yet, So you hope and pray
that shows like that yesterday helped to push the fix
it to get us to that fix it moment, because
when the women say just go fix it, then all
bets are off.
Speaker 3: On absolutely yep, yeah, in large, in large part I
I in fact, maybe just in total. That's probably all
it takes. So living through this stuff, you know, one
more week of of solutions being stretched out and put off,
or one more year of it, or one more term
of it at the national level, it Yeah, when does it? Eventually?
I think you're right. It just comes down to I'm
going to steal that too, fix it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what that's what men men have to hear.
Nineteen thirty six Spain, maybe nineteen thirty three Germany.
Speaker 2: Just go fix it.
Speaker 1: Please don't tell me how you're going to do it,
but to move on. Because there's another theme that I
think is really important and it's not really touched upon.
I hope that my show and you know, organization that
I'm a part of is helping with this. But like
the bond between Grayson and Jack and then later later
Phil drives a lot of the story and basically shows
how male friends male friendships like reflect themes of loyalty
and sacrifice, and that seems to be pretty central to it.
So we could probably talk about this for a while,
So why don't you talk about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, that was as I you know, I don't
spend a lot of time going back to the period
in which I was writing this, but what I have
found is that I can pretty reliably pull up It's
as if a filtering process occurs over time where all
of the other stuff just kind of goes by the wayside.
And I do remember that loyalty specifically was kind of
the main It will a theme for sure, and a
series of questions kind of surrounding loyalty. Once again, there's
a contextual aspect where without this social capital that that
we you know, has been largely just intentionally dismantled, it's
difficult to maybe to even understand what loyalty is now.
When you and I were growing up, I think we
had my friend actually he's still my friend. He's been
my friends since I was in sixth grade. And he
just the other day he pointed out that we're probably
the last generation to kind of fully experience the American dream,
or at least, you know, if it wasn't in my
life for your life, like we could walk down the
street and find it, probably and we're the first ones
to see it dissolve and back. Also, it ties back
to the fixed thing. You know. It's almost impossible, and
that sort of speaks to the action film element of
King of Dogs. But it's almost impossible to affect, you know,
the sort of change or solutions or outcomes that we
may want alone, even in you know, just a simple,
you know, tactical scenario, You're much better off with two
or three other guys you know, who you as they
as you know, the meme is like who you can
call it too in the morning, and who are going
to show up with shovels? Like that's a real thing,
and it always has been a real thing. You know.
I think that the I'm not I'm not one to
there's plenty of hate that goes to the boomers, and
it I apply a lot myself. But I'm not sure
that they had it, you know. I think that they
think they had it. And I've noticed in watching them,
you know, people close to me here there, they thought
they had it. And it's all it's kind of sad
actually to watch them wake up in their in their
older years and realize, well, all this time, I thought
these were my guys. And if there's a there's a
lot to be hopeful for. I hope that I'm jumping
around a bit, but I think I can drag this
back for you, King of Dogs. What it really was
was a way to like, can we go through hell
and then get the treasure and come out on the
other side for readers in this to understand, like in
the closest and deepest analysis, there's still hope and we
can win. This is not a game over man sort
of thing, but it's going to be nasty and we're
going to have to look at like really uncomfortable things
like do I have one or two or three people
in my life that will drop what they're doing and
let's just say it, you know, go do things that
you know, don't do crime. Basically you can, you know,
put it in. I'm a novelist, I'm not really advocating anything.
I'm just saying, will they will they put skin in
the game in a real way. I think when that
when those bonds of loyalty are re established, it may
be one of those things where a type of wildfire,
you know, is ignited, where there are enough small groups
of men that once again understand, well, the time has
come and it may turn out bad, But I'm going
to have to exercise my rights as an American, you know,
in the whole hierarchy of meaning, there rights, this, this
spiritual inheritance we have and whatnot. But yeah, we could
go on about this forever, because there there are again
like logistical and tactical and psychological considerations. But the way
I handled it in the book is twofold. Maybe one
to point out that Grayson, my hero, is choosing in
many ways to throw his life or caution to the wind,
to sort of prove a point to maybe only himself,
as almost everyone around him betrays him. And I have
found and maybe you've noticed this too, that as we've
marched through maybe the past ten to fifteen years, a
lot of the betrayal comes from maybe people who we
thought were on our side, maybe people who look a
lot like us, who come from the same places as us.
It's not always you know, some super alien, you know,
a Somali coming in or something where it's like, obviously,
I have no relationship with this person. I don't know
what language he's speaking or what is morals are, So
it's it's kind of a dicey thing, you know, And
I think that even though it's dicey, we're still going
to have to wade through and find some some ways
maybe under you know, urgent sorts of circumstances. But maybe
also this plays out in ways that are much more manageable,
Like we we can reinstill some of these things in
our sons and you know, live embody. These these qualities,
transcendental ideals, you know, exchange between each other along the way.
But I think that there's something true about if you
do that a few times. I hate to say that
the phrase like the universe responds. I don't think it's
you know, I think it's God looks at that, and
it's constantly forgiving us our sins, you know, of not
trusting each other, not not actually being a trustworthy person
made and maybe just walking that back a little bit
will go a long way.
Speaker 1: Just looking at it from like a secular, practical standpoint,
I mean, technology is really what durascinated us.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: You formerly grew up in a in a community where
everyone knows each other. Your grandfathers knew each other. I mean,
you've families lived next to each other that have known
each other for you know, for centuries, and in some
cases not know, not here a couple you know, centuries here,
but you know, more so back in the old country,
and you basically as technology made it easier for people
to leave, as people became more financialized, and you know,
we need to get closer to the city so we
can make money, and we need to chase the quote
unquote American dream, which talk about a term that has
changed definitions, you know, numerous times. And I don't even know.
I don't I have never even looked, like looked at
the genesis of where that came from. But something tells
me it came out of an ad agency somewhere. It
just seems like the more urracinated we become, the more
the easier it is to control us. I mean, I
say all the time, I think we're controlled by like
two hundred people. There's like two hundred people in in
this in the world that control everybody. And the only
reason they're able to do that is because they come
together and they cooperate and have a guild where it's
it's like, we're not going to allow if one of
us goes off to reservation, we'll sacrifice that person. And
we don't have that anymore. That's the way people used
to used to be. If somebody's horse got stolen, everybody,
everybody got together to go figure out who did it
because your horse was next. Well, everything you know, organized
law enforcement, technology and quote unquote advancements has taken all
that away. And really I don't know if getting smaller,
you know, because I do believe mass and scale has
just basically killed killed most everything. You Being able to
roll over three hundred and fifty million people is not
even plausible, And it wasn't the it wasn't the idea
from the start, but it just seems like until you
have until people get back to that for internal and
even family. You know, I've talked about this numerous times
in the show, and it always makes people insane. Arranged marriages, Yeah,
and it's not like, oh, you're gonna marry this guy.
It's like, no, there's five choices, you choose one kind
of thing, you know, until we get back to that
the people who are actually doing that right now, I mean,
think about the think about the show. Last night, We're
watching Tucker, We're watching Darryl connect the dots, and everyone
he talks about is one degree away from everyone else
that he's talked about that's how they have the power,
that's how they can flaunt what they do. That's how
you know, where we think that these people should be.
You know that that Vlad, You know that Vlad the
Impaler had the right idea. These people are bragging openly
and mocking us with what they do. And I think
until we get back to to becoming more tight knit
and that being real power, were just erascinated and lost.
Speaker 3: I would agree one hundred percent. And I've noticed even
in the last six months to a year something like
a deeper coherence about related to that idea emerging. I
don't know if more people are if again there's some
filtering process that's that's happening, or maybe maybe our like
aggregated spiritual power is some sort of factor here. David
I think his name is David Roth, and there's a
book called The Superclass. It's probably fifteen years old, and
he's like half an elite himself. I think he's got
some blue blood ties and whatnot. But he wrote this
book called The Superclass, and at that point he was
saying was five thousand people, and I think that that
number is, yeah, a factor of ten at least too big.
Five hundred or something would be much closer or two hundred.
You know, I'm willing to live with that. Sure. And
it's funny how you know that the jock nerd thing
that we've talked about, this flaunting of because if it
were you and me or just anybody mostly normal, we're
to have the hootspa I think they say, to try
and pull something like that off. Uh you know I
I would. I would feel constantly paranoid, constantly ashamed and
afraid that I was going to be found out and
caught out. And it's something it's just diabolical, but so obvious.
It's as if God is he. It's almost like the
thing can't be set up such that if this happen,
it's like in nature, you know, oftentimes poisonous things will
be a bright color like a red coral snake or
what have you. It's as if these people cannot help
but just advertise themselves as Yeah, that's that's a that's
like a main This is this human being is a
mainspring in the in the control and like general apparatus
of degradation. That that's that's fucking us all up all
the time.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: With the Podesta brothers that that whole thing about how Darryl,
you know, they Daryl and Tucker were both going back
and forth about how if this, if this was the
type of art that you liked, you know, little kids
in awful, degraded situations. Okay, I mean I get that's
crazy enough, but it's a whole other level of crazy
to then advertise that and invite people over. And it
really seems like they're almost begging to be managed themselves,
if you know what I mean, in some way for
for and and you know, this is all pretty well understood.
I think you know in our circles that that just
good normal right there. There is a level where that's
actually pretty simple, and we don't need to read Spangler
about it. We don't need to write a whole treat
This is about why this was wrong or right or
any of that sort of thing. Yeah, it's quite a situation.
Speaker 1: Well, let's finish on this because I think this is
something important. This is something that's really bothered me over time.
Is the books called King of Dogs and there's a
human animal bond in it, and you know Liebenberg's idea
that tracking is a scientific and empathetic act and something
that's really bothered me is the in my lifetime, and
I don't know that it was so maybe it's just
because of the Internet, but just the abuse of dogs
and like the dog fighting rings and things like that.
That's not white people, that's not European. That's like coming
from First of all, it's demonic. Second of all, it's
coming from places like Africa and Indian Indian tribes or
you know, Central American and South American Indian tribes. That's
not a white person thing. And I really think that,
you know, when you when you think about some of
the great novels, historically main character has a dog that's
loyal to them and it's always been there. And really
when you look now, like I remember the first time
I started reading about dogfighting rings, I mean that affected
me for days to just know that that existed. And yeah,
so why don't you talk about the the bond there?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, there's a guy who doesn't get as he
doesn't seek you know, I don't think he much need
for for acclaim or whatever. But he's in our circles.
He's been in our circles for quite a while, named
James Bowery, and he's the one who first sort of
clued me into to this idea that it may very
well be the and this is in King of Dogs.
It's probably the case that for for the Northern European
there was a bottleneck in population at a certain point
where it's nothing short of divine. I mean, it's nothing
to me and probably others it's it's it's the dog.
You know, the domestication of the wolf into the dog.
It was a gift that literally preserved the species by
way of h he expanded, you know, our hunting capacities.
He's an alarm, he's warmth that night, and it's there.
There's and if you're not, you know, like an evolutionary guy,
that's fine. I'm not one hundred percent evolutionary guy myself,
but I saw the same, you know, similar stuff. I
remember when I I mean, I'm on X a fair
amount and I've tried to balance social media, but this
notion that you know, it kind of operates as a
type of a source of trauma. You know, some stuff
comes across your timeline and it's like, geez, I wish
I had not seen that, and uh, it does it
effect it? I remember when I saw a dog being
cooked alive in a walk by some chinamen. And this
was this was not this was fifteen years ago. There
was no AI involved, This was not a fake. This
was some it was It was filmed on like a
peanut phone, and it was some of the most heinous
shit that I've ever seen in my life. I've seen
a lot of really heinous shit too, like in my
real life ensure on videos. We've all seen it. But
when I saw that video similarly, it affected me. For
it still affects me today when when that image passes
through my head, I see read I want to, you know,
crush skulls in a sort of a cartoon manner. I mean,
I want to, I want blood, I want vengeance right now.
And in the book it emerged as a theme over
time as I started to like understand tracking in Liebenberg
and and you know, my experience in writing law long
form is that, or doing any sort of long long
form project is uh, you have the internal creative you know,
the goals, the criteria that you might hold, and then
you have you know, your your actual life. And I
found that by letting my actual life inform that and
maybe vice versa. It's been very useful to me. And
so that's just to say the dogs that have come
and gone in my own life, you know, I've lost
I think one pretty pretty tragically, pretty rough, you know,
and a couple when I was when I was a kid,
we always had dogs. But even then, you know, I
had boomer parents and they and for all of their faults,
and they instinctively knew, you know, to honor that that dog.
It wasn't it was never like a light a light
hearted sort of thing, Well the dog's dead, get over it,
or anything like that. It wasn't over the top. We
didn't make an altar to him or anything like that.
But there's something that goes extremely deep with the dogs.
And again in King in the novel, it's approached from
many different angles. You know, you have the hero being
hunted by by some some dog handlers. You have him
coming to know, you know, a dog at a different stage.
There there are dogs coming and going throughout throughout the book. Ultimately,
you know, it's it's a tool. It's like a literary
device to tie us back to loyalty, because the real
thing about a dog to me, where it's heartbreaking that
all the dog Here's another example I'll try to kind
of wind it up on this is that I had
a I had a buddy. I still have this buddy,
and I was talking to him about a dog of
mine that that had an injury and he was saying, well,
you should just put him down. And I was like, well,
I'm not putting the dog down. And it's like, well,
you can't afford this, you know, say, elaborate surgery for
the dog. The last thing the dog wants in his
heart is to be a drag on you, and and
it was like, fuck you. Just he hit me with
the truth so hard. I didn't I didn't put the
dog down. I'm I refuse to do that because it's
not He's not in pain or anything like that. But
that's really the case, Like the the love of the
dog is so pure that it it almost shames me
in a way. And so that's you're right, that that
is not a thing that is that is like a
universal amongst the races or across various nationalities, what have you.
And many people now it's kind of popular to do
the backlash thing of like all right, all right, but
you know, the dog love's gone too far. They should
I'm like, I don't think it's the dog love that's
gone too far. It's it's the rest of the weird
cultural trappings and effects that we've we've onboarded that are
that are retarded. It's not the fact that some old
lady is lonely and has a dog and wants to
take her on the airplane, like that's just her. Problems
are so much bigger and more more fucked up than
that that it's not really about the dog, you know.
So I'm yeah, I'm a die hard. I will that's
a line in the sand where if I see animal
abuse or anything like that, there's going to be problems
if I'm around for it, for sure.
Speaker 1: You know, growing up through the eighties, I strangely had
it pretty easy, you know, outside the house and everything
through the nineties once you move out and everything, the
nineties was a little chaotic, but there was a lot
of fun you could have. You know, I enjoyed the
nineties a lot. Things really changed after nine to eleven,
and that slowly was like that started bringing me to
more cynicism and more you know what people would say,
black pilling, the Michael Vick thing like put me over
the edge because it wasn't it was the dogs, but
it wasn't only the dogs. The stories about them taking
so much pleasure in killing dogs it wouldn't fight. It
just made me realize that those dogs were basically a
stand in for humans, that these are people who are
so nihilistic and so murderous and such they don't even
deserve to be called the animals, because a lot of
animals are very loyal and and you know, worthy worthy
of your admiration. But that, after that, it was just
I was like, I think this world is completely fucked
and it's just survival at this point. That was right
around the time I really started practice, like practicing practicing
with guns, with pistols and rifles. I mean, just that
put that that put me over the edge, having arguments
with people who were saying it was no big deal,
and and you know, just yeah.
Speaker 3: You know when on that on that stame line of
thinking when Christy Noel I think is her name, when
the business came came out maybe whatever, that was a
year ago, where she I mean, I'm you know, I'm
not in charge. I'm not making any decisions, but no
matter what she does, I'm not going to trust her.
There are other ways to manage whatever her problem was.
The dog I have now is a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the thing she said, Oh the dog were
the dog was killing the chickens and everything. Okay, separate
the dog from the chickens. Send the dog to send
the dog someplace to get adopted where there are no chickens,
where it's not going to Just because the dog's killing
chickens doesn't mean it's going to attack children. It doesn't
mean you you wanted to kill something.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: You want to you wanted to end a life, Yeah,
and that's it, and you had the chance to do
it and you did it. This isn't trophy hunting. I
understand trophy hunting. I understand hunting. I understand that you know,
hunting really helps the environment. I mean you have to understand.
I mean, like I live in Alabama, North Carolina gets
overrun by deer and they pay people to go out
there and shoot them or else you're or else the
ecosystem is going to be screwed. But just I mean,
there are so many things she could have done to
avoid that, and she did that because she wanted to.
Speaker 3: I agree. That's like if she can't manage that situation
in an upright manner, why would I trust her to
manage some giant federal agency And I don't. And to
the same point, I think that she had a wire
haired pointer, which is a certain type of like a
very good hunting dog. That's what I have. And I
got him. I drove I don't know, three states. Let's
say I found him online and I drove three states away.
And they had this very good program at a prison
where strays and you know, unwonted animals were taken to
the prison and they try and sort of, you know,
give these guys an opportunity. Maybe, I mean, these are
awful fucking people. You know, this is not like the
guy who wrote bad checks. These these are themselves people
that probably shouldn't be alive anyway, but they try and
rehabilitate them to some degree through a process of kind
of giving these dogs a second chance. And I went
out and I got this dog, Riker his his name,
and the story is basically that he was not fit
to be like a high dollar hunting dog, so somebody
bred him and then it turned out, you know, he
had different personality and that that's what Christy Num could
have done. That she could have released that dog or
that puppy to anybody who just wants, you know, a companion,
but to drag him out in the sandlot and fucking
blow his head out, that's exactly I agree. She's she
had some fantasy, some twisted thing in there was completely unnecessary,
and yeah, I get I get very emotional, and uh again,
I don't feel bad about it at all. I think
it's I think it's part of the if you will,
you know, the way God intended it. We're supposed to
kind of have a hand in, especially with dogs. I
mean we do. We kind of chose to to bring
them into our world. And it's one thing if it's
a cougar or something, but we changed the course of
their you know, that species history, and so we're responsible
for it in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm about ready to wrap up. Do you have
anything you want to anything further? You want to say, Yeah,
here's your chance to sell the book?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'll just say it. It's been out
for a while, it's got very good reviews. It's it's
a far cry from your normal kind of novel that
was put out in our thing. Nothing against those books,
but it's exceptional. What can I say? I mean, it's mine.
I did a good job, and yeah, I would certainly
appreciate it. If you check it out, it's on Amazon,
you can find me on x It's Golden Goat Guild
or Andrew Edwards. But yeah, if any of this is intriguing,
I would hope that that your listeners would check it out.
But mostly, you know, I'm glad I got to talk
to you. It's it's been an actual pleasure. So thank
you very much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has. We need need to have you back
on where we can just talk about talk about life.
I'd be pretty close to that, pretty close to the
same age I think we've been.
Speaker 2: We've got through a lot of the same shit.
Speaker 3: So I'd be thrilled to do that. And we don't
do that enough where we just take a little time
to say, you know, because you mentioned the nineties and
it's like, yeah, I know what you're saying. There was
and and it's gone and if we don't have those chats,
maybe we'll forget it. So I'd be thrilled to do
that anytime.
Speaker 2: Thank you all right, man, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: You too,