1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,719 Speaker 1: Broadcasting from Studio A. Here at proven winners Color Joy Shrubs. 2 00:00:06,759 --> 00:00:10,279 It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show with Stacy Hervella, 3 00:00:10,599 --> 00:00:16,480 me Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, today, Stacy, 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,879 we get into the weeds on a tough topic, invasives. 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,239 Lots to talk about in regards to this subject, Lots 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,719 of opinions out there, and you know, I look at, 7 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:33,079 for example, where I live along the shores of Lake Michigan. 8 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:35,759 I look at an invasive that came into the country 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,280 years ago, spotted knapweed. Oof. 10 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, most people don't even know that's invasive. 11 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:43,759 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, because it's been around so long, has the 12 00:00:43,759 --> 00:00:48,679 pretty little pink flowers. But it's also a lellopathic and 13 00:00:48,759 --> 00:00:53,719 so it crowds out desirable native plants, like in our 14 00:00:53,799 --> 00:00:57,240 case along the lake shore milk weed. And so this 15 00:00:57,439 --> 00:01:03,159 is a not only a set and tough subject, it's 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,519 it's almost an emotional subject too. That involves many agencies 17 00:01:08,879 --> 00:01:13,799 of our government. And of course, Stacey, plenty of opinions 18 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,680 to go around on social media. 19 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: Well, that is for sure, and you know that's one 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,079 of the reasons why I wanted to do the show 21 00:01:20,239 --> 00:01:24,400 on invasives because if anybody is a social media user, 22 00:01:24,439 --> 00:01:28,599 whether that's Facebook or Instagram or TikTok or anything, you know, 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,079 there's really all of these different people and organizations taking 24 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:34,680 advantage of those platforms to put out a lot of information. 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,760 And a lot of that information is very useful and 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,000 very good, and a lot of it is hot garbage, just. 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: Like anything else. Don't believe everything you. 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,079 Speaker 2: Read, right, So, you know, obviously you want to follow, 29 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,040 you know, reputable sources that are posting reputable information, but 30 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:53,519 you also have to take all of this with a 31 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:56,760 grain of salt and take things as a learning opportunity, 32 00:01:57,239 --> 00:02:00,599 especially before you share them and perpetuate more misinformation or 33 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,000 partial information or just outright bad information. But yeah, this 34 00:02:05,159 --> 00:02:07,159 is a difficult topic and it's not one that we 35 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,319 are going to be able to completely cover because it's 36 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:10,919 just too massive. 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 1: It's immense. 38 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,439 Speaker 2: But you know, also here in Michigan where we are located, 39 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:20,080 invasive plants have suddenly gotten quite a lot of attention. Yes, 40 00:02:20,199 --> 00:02:24,680 after many years of getting pretty much zero attention. Very recently, 41 00:02:24,759 --> 00:02:28,360 State of Michigan is attempting to ban some invasive plants 42 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,680 from being sold in the state, which is probably going 43 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:33,759 to come as a surprise to people. They're probably thinking, hey, 44 00:02:33,759 --> 00:02:35,680 if this is invasive, why is it even being sold 45 00:02:35,719 --> 00:02:37,039 here in the first place. But there was never any 46 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:37,919 bans against it. 47 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: You're so right about that, Stacey, And coming from the 48 00:02:40,599 --> 00:02:44,199 garden center industry, if you take an example like calorie pair, 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,520 and then if all of a sudden, you know, calorie pair, 50 00:02:49,319 --> 00:02:53,800 thousands and thousands millions have been sold through garden centers 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,039 and stores and then all of a sudden you can't 52 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,879 sell it anymore. It's those are a high impact decisions. 53 00:03:00,199 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 2: Aren't And the other thing is that people don't understand necessarily. 54 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,800 So you know, another name for calorie pair, which is 55 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:10,759 c A L L E R Y, not calorie like 56 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:14,520 calorie that gives you energy, just in case you're wondering 57 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:16,960 and you're getting you know, internet results that say it 58 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,919 has fifty four calories per you know, average pair calorie 59 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:25,520 and also known as Bradford pears. And you know, yeah, 60 00:03:25,719 --> 00:03:28,159 when they bloom, right, everybody and their brother goes into 61 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:30,439 the garden center going, I want one of those beautiful 62 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:35,360 trees with the white flowers. And for many years there 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,919 was no reason that they couldn't buy them, and now 64 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,000 they're going to be told, oh, you know, we can't 65 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:41,199 tell you that anymore. 66 00:03:41,319 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: Pretty flowers, but stinky. 67 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: Oh terrible stink. And you know, I used to live 68 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,159 in New York City and there were entire streets lined 69 00:03:48,439 --> 00:03:51,639 with Bradford pair, I mean entire blocks in blocks in 70 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,759 a row, and on a spring day, you know, it 71 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,800 would look like it was snowing and it would actually 72 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,400 be kind of lovely, but God forbid you breathing. 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: I think that's where that whole trend started. As far 74 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:08,080 as street side plantings are concerned of Bradford or Calorie pair, 75 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:11,520 so yeah, I can picture that. So there's a lot 76 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:17,040 of terminology involved here, invasive versus native. While native plants 77 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:19,680 can be aggressive or I like to call them frisky, 78 00:04:20,199 --> 00:04:24,680 they're generally not considered invasive because they exist in balance 79 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,680 with the local environment. And then you have invasive versus 80 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:34,839 non native. Not all non native plants are invasive, only 81 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:38,079 a percentage of them are problematic. And then you have 82 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:43,680 invasive versus aggressive. And we've all had aggressive plants in 83 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:48,120 our landscape, but it may be that they're just spreading, 84 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:52,519 as I say, a little bit frisky. Many government agencies 85 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,920 involved in this. You have the US Department of Interior, 86 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:01,439 you have the US Department of Agriculture, an National Invasive 87 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:09,079 Species Council the NISC. They're advised by the ISSAC, which 88 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:14,120 is the Invasive Species Advisory Committee. And then on top 89 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,360 of that you have APHIS, which is the Animal and 90 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:22,360 Plant Held Inspection Service that's a sub agency within the 91 00:05:22,519 --> 00:05:27,720 US Department of Agriculture or USDA. And then you have 92 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:34,160 your state agricultural departments, and every state has an agricultural department. 93 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,720 You have all of them involved in this. 94 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,399 Speaker 2: It's a hot topic, it is, and it makes it 95 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,879 really hard to get clear information. But I think the 96 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,040 one thing that our listeners really need to know about 97 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,560 that long list of government organizations involved, and not just 98 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,199 in invasive plants, invasive species in general. This can include 99 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,360 animals and different diseases and things like that. But the 100 00:05:55,399 --> 00:05:59,759 important thing to know is that invasive plants are invasive 101 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,439 on a state by state basis. You know, there are 102 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:06,199 plants that are horribly invasive on the in the Northeast 103 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,759 that aren't the least bit of a problem in the West, 104 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,720 which is really surprising because you would think that the 105 00:06:10,759 --> 00:06:14,639 mild amenable climate of the Pacific Northwest would mean everything, 106 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,959 could you know, get a leg up and go crazy, 107 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,360 But that's not the way it works. So really you 108 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,959 have to turn to the state or province if you're 109 00:06:23,079 --> 00:06:27,399 joining us from Canada that you live in, for the 110 00:06:27,439 --> 00:06:31,839 best information on what's invasive in your state, and then 111 00:06:31,879 --> 00:06:34,800 to further complicate things. Though not all of these state 112 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:41,360 agricultural organizations have an equal commitment to taking on invasive plants. 113 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:45,560 I can tell you some states are extremely aggressive in 114 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,759 managing invasive plants and educating the public about invasive plants 115 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:52,160 and banning them, and some states are much more less 116 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,720 a fair you know, they aren't really going out there 117 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,879 and prioritizing this, and so that might make someone especially 118 00:06:58,879 --> 00:07:01,000 if you are you know, like I mean, I think 119 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,240 we can take Michigan in Indiana here is a great example. 120 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,680 Indiana is one of the states that is very, very 121 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,480 aggressive in their invasive plant bands, whereas again in Michigan, 122 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,199 we haven't really done anything for years, and now there's 123 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,839 an attempt to get this done. So it makes someone 124 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,120 wonder like, well, does it just not cross the state line? 125 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:21,560 You know, it sees the state line and goes WHOA, Nope, 126 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,519 can't do it. I'm not invasive in Michigan. I'm not 127 00:07:23,519 --> 00:07:26,720 going to jump the line there. But yeah, so it's 128 00:07:26,759 --> 00:07:29,759 difficult to find information, but your state is always whether 129 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:32,800 or not they are proactive or reactive, the number one 130 00:07:32,839 --> 00:07:37,079 source for finding out what's potentially problematic in your area. 131 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,959 Speaker 1: And very important work. I mean, we have to protect 132 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:46,439 agriculture and waterways and a host of things. So, as 133 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,360 I mentioned, we're getting in the weeds here today. 134 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,319 Speaker 2: But you know, I think that's a really important point too, 135 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,560 is it's not simply when we talk about an invasive plant. 136 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,160 What separates an invasive plant from the other terms that 137 00:07:57,199 --> 00:07:59,920 you described is that an invasive plant is going to 138 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,720 go out into the wild and displace basically native habitats, 139 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:08,040 native ecosystem. So it's not just that you know, oh, 140 00:08:08,079 --> 00:08:11,160 something like a mint right in your backyard is an 141 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,439 aggressive plant and it's kind of hard to control. That 142 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,160 wouldn't really be considered an invasive plant. It's the plants 143 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,879 that spread out into the wild and when that happens, yeah, 144 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,040 it can mess up things like erosion, you know, it 145 00:08:23,079 --> 00:08:29,399 can mess with water flow, other animals, insects, all of 146 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:32,919 these different factors. So it's really not as simple as 147 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,720 you know, Hey, I was hiking and I didn't want 148 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:36,879 to see this, you know, ugly invasive plant in the 149 00:08:36,879 --> 00:08:40,039 middle of the woods. It's it's a very complex subject. 150 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: An example along that line, I just came back from 151 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:47,039 Puerto Rico and in the airport coming back into the 152 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:52,879 States encountered the Beagle Brigade. We've got a picture for 153 00:08:53,039 --> 00:08:59,000 you on YouTube. The USDA uses a Beagle Brigade detector 154 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:03,720 dog teams, adorable dogs all over the airport. Fantastic. You 155 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:06,159 take your luggage, you take your carry on, you have 156 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,559 to run it through a scanner, get it tagged before 157 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,919 you can head back into the country. Of course, in 158 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,519 Puerto Rico they have a real issue with something called 159 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:21,879 an African tulip tree. You see them everywhere in full bloom. 160 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,919 They've colonized the land all across Puerto Rico. It's a 161 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,480 fast growing tree species, but it's non native and listed 162 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:37,200 on the one hundred global Worst Invasive Species. But as 163 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,440 you drive along in Puerto Rico you can see this 164 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:41,480 tree has taken over the landscape. 165 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Puerto Rico is an American territory, of course, 166 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,240 but I don't think in all of my travels, I 167 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:51,320 have ever been to a place that had stricter agricultural 168 00:09:51,399 --> 00:09:54,679 restrictions than Puerto Rico to the US. I mean, it was, 169 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:55,919 it's pretty intense. 170 00:09:56,039 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: It is. It's intense. But that adorable beagle sniffing our. 171 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,039 Speaker 2: Bags making sure you don't have some you know, tropical 172 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,039 fruit in there or something else like that. 173 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: Found an old meal raisin cookie. Huh. 174 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: Oh. 175 00:10:10,639 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: Well, let's see where Stacey goes with us in plants 176 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,279 on trial. That's coming up next here on the Gardening 177 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:17,360 Simplified Show. 178 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,639 Speaker 2: Beautify your home and community with proven Winner's Color Choice 179 00:10:26,639 --> 00:10:29,759 Shrubs with over three hundred and twenty five unique varieties 180 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:32,440 to choose from. There's a flowering shrub or evergreen for 181 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,679 every taste and every space. Just look for the distinctive 182 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,440 white container your local garden center or learn more at 183 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:43,720 proven Winner's Color Choice dot com. Greeting's Gardening friends, and 184 00:10:43,879 --> 00:10:47,879 welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where, despite my cheerfulness, 185 00:10:47,919 --> 00:10:51,279 we are talking about a very un cheerful topic today, 186 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,039 and that is invasive plants. And you know, it's a 187 00:10:55,039 --> 00:10:57,120 tough thing that's near and dear to my heart, because 188 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,320 you know, every single one of us who goes into 189 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,679 gardening or plants something, we do so out of positive intent. 190 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,759 You know, when we plant something in our yards, whether 191 00:11:08,879 --> 00:11:11,879 you know, any type of plant, we're trying to do 192 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,519 something good. We're either trying to improve the yard for 193 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,600 ourselves in our own enjoyment. We're trying to provide some 194 00:11:17,639 --> 00:11:21,279 privacy or some shade. We're maybe even trying to help 195 00:11:21,399 --> 00:11:25,519 insects like you know, bees, butterflies, pollinators, all that. So 196 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,120 we go into any garden center whatever plants we're purchasing 197 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,799 or planting with good intentions. But of course we all 198 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:35,679 know what they say about good intentions, and that is 199 00:11:35,799 --> 00:11:39,679 why we have invasive plants. You know, no one said, hey, 200 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,799 I'm going to plant this because it's super invasive and 201 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,720 I want to be a real trouble maker. But at 202 00:11:46,759 --> 00:11:50,200 the same time, it's very difficult to find out for 203 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,200 most people, you know, it's hard for them to make 204 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,799 the right decisions. And I've heard, you know, over time, 205 00:11:57,639 --> 00:12:00,440 from a lot of different home gardeners of varying skill level, 206 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,600 that that's a big point of frustration for them. You know, how, 207 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,480 I don't want to do a bad thing I am 208 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:08,039 here trying to do good and I don't want to. 209 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,200 I don't know enough to make a choice that is, 210 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,480 you know, unintentionally bad, and that makes it's one of 211 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,200 the things that makes it really difficult. Now, I will 212 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:21,120 tell you, you know, one of the important things that states 213 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,840 and provinces do for invasive plants is they ban them. 214 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:29,039 So the invasive plants that we're talking about today, there's 215 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,080 a number of invasive weeds that have come out through 216 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,919 agriculture and are not things that most average people are 217 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,159 going to come in contact with. But you know, the 218 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,240 sad fact is there are a number of invasive ornamental 219 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:45,039 plants that originated as ornamental plants. Great example that a 220 00:12:45,039 --> 00:12:48,679 lot of people aren't aware of the New Jersey bamboo 221 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,559 also called Japanese not weed. That is a plant that 222 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,200 was actually brought to America by Frederick law Olmsted for 223 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,919 landscaping Central Park. And you know, he thought it was 224 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:08,080 beautiful and elegant, and now it's everywhere and it's a 225 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,120 terrible plant to have and a terrible plant to get 226 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:11,720 rid of. But you know, again, it was brought in 227 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:15,200 with the intention of being ornamental, and you know, Central 228 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,600 Park kind of an assign here, but kind of can't 229 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,360 help but mention this. Central Park is also where Starlings 230 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:22,879 our first release. 231 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: I love that story sometime about it. 232 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: Yes, so Shakespeare, Shakespeare, the Shakespeare Garden in Central Park. 233 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,240 So Central Park is fabulous and amazing and wonderful as 234 00:13:36,279 --> 00:13:38,879 a place it is, and I know I was fortunate 235 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:43,080 enough to work there for three years. Yeah, the epicenter 236 00:13:43,159 --> 00:13:46,639 of a lot of these a lot of these problems 237 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,639 that have have since come up, but again all done 238 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,159 with positive intentions. And the good thing is that as 239 00:13:52,159 --> 00:13:54,480 we have seen those mistakes be made in the past, 240 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,240 we can now start to you know, kind of project 241 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:02,799 for making better decisions in the future. We can learn 242 00:14:03,039 --> 00:14:04,840 from those mistakes. 243 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,919 Speaker 1: And like I said, Stacey, there's very important work being 244 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,519 done by people out there to keep us from making 245 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:12,240 these mistakes. 246 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. So. Again, one of the most important things 247 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,600 that a state will do when they decide to ban 248 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,279 a plant is that prevents it from being sold in 249 00:14:19,399 --> 00:14:22,320 garden centers. So if you live in a state that 250 00:14:22,559 --> 00:14:27,759 is a proactive banner of invasive plants and potentially invasive plants, 251 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:29,519 you know you're in a pretty good spot because you 252 00:14:29,559 --> 00:14:32,000 don't have to worry really about going into the garden 253 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:36,120 center and accidentally buying something that's going to be a problem. 254 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,399 It's just not there in the first place. There's sometimes 255 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,879 a moratorium. They'll say, okay, you can you know, nurseries, 256 00:14:40,919 --> 00:14:42,840 garden centers can sell through their stock in the next 257 00:14:42,879 --> 00:14:45,559 five years, and then after that there's no more that 258 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:48,399 kind of thing. But what about the rest of us, 259 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,759 You know, how are you going to find out and 260 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,240 make a decision that is not just beneficial for the 261 00:14:55,399 --> 00:14:58,240 environment because you don't want your plant spreading into the wild. 262 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,080 But the simple fact is the plant is likely to 263 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,279 spread into the wild. There's probably going to be spreading 264 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:07,039 around your own backyard and your neighbor's yards as well. 265 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:09,879 And as much as even people like Rick and I 266 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,080 love gardening, we're not looking to make more work for ourselves. 267 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,000 You know. We'd rather have that time to either enjoy 268 00:15:16,039 --> 00:15:18,559 the garden or spend it doing the tasks that we 269 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,639 really enjoy, rather than you know, pulling out seedlings of. 270 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:26,039 Speaker 1: We're having people using roundup, which is a whole other issues. 271 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,039 Speaker 2: Yes, there's a whole other issue. But the point that 272 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,559 I'm getting at is for those of us who live 273 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:34,879 in areas where there are not a lot of invasive 274 00:15:34,919 --> 00:15:38,639 plant bands in place, we here at proven winners colored 275 00:15:38,679 --> 00:15:42,200 Choice shrubs have come up with the in check program, 276 00:15:42,519 --> 00:15:48,240 and in check is a designation that basically says that 277 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,120 the plant has been through our normal trialing and testing 278 00:15:51,159 --> 00:15:54,320 process to make sure that it outperforms everything and blooms 279 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,039 better and grows better and will be easy to maintain. 280 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,120 But these plants with the in check design have undergone 281 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,360 additional trialing to make sure that they are seedless, sterile, 282 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,679 and or non invasive. Those are three separate concepts, but 283 00:16:08,759 --> 00:16:11,240 basically what that means for you as a home gardener 284 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:13,440 is that if you are choosing a plant that has 285 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,200 an in check designation, you do not need to worry 286 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:21,960 about its spreading around because you know, basically what's happening 287 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:24,720 is in our industry, and especially like in the landscape industry, 288 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,639 you know, there's a lot of staple plants that people 289 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:31,360 find very, very useful, and to suddenly have them sort 290 00:16:31,399 --> 00:16:34,440 of disappear out of the plant palette is difficult for 291 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,360 everybody in the industry. So a lot of talented plant 292 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,159 breeders that we work with, like doctor Tom Rainey out 293 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,360 of North Carolina State University doctor Dennis Warner out of 294 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,120 North Carolina State doctor Mark brand out of the University 295 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,480 of Connecticut have been devoting their considerable skills to developing 296 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,600 alternatives to things like barbary, to things like burning bush, 297 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:58,480 and developing non invasive alternatives. And there's a lot of 298 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,759 different ways that they can do this. They have a 299 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:03,799 whole arsenal of skills, so these plants still have some 300 00:17:03,919 --> 00:17:06,960 of the benefits, you know, the easy care for in 301 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,319 the case of barbary, people really like barbary because it's 302 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,240 so dear resistant, right, So you can still kind of 303 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:15,920 have those plants, but without the issues that the more 304 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,480 conventional versions cause. Now, I do want to say there's 305 00:17:19,519 --> 00:17:23,880 twenty two varieties currently in the in check program and 306 00:17:24,039 --> 00:17:28,759 it does include again those known invasive plants, things like ramness. 307 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:32,079 Our fine line ramness is in there, sun Jay Toto 308 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,640 and Sunjoy Mini maroon, barbary are in check. Our new 309 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,839 fireball seedless Uanamus, which is the only seedless burning bush 310 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,240 on the market. And people love burning bush. Yeah, I 311 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,279 think you can do a lot better than burning bush myself. 312 00:17:44,319 --> 00:17:48,640 But he'll try talking people out of burning, so it's 313 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,960 not going anywhere, right, But you can substitute a regular 314 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,240 burning bush for a fireball seedless and not have to 315 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,359 worry about it spreading. We also have plants in the 316 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,720 in check program that are not known to be invasive. 317 00:18:00,759 --> 00:18:04,200 They're not banned anywhere because again they're not spreading out 318 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,519 into the wild, and that is really the key factor 319 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,920 that states consider when they're looking to you deem a 320 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,759 plant invasive or ban it. But something like how many 321 00:18:12,799 --> 00:18:15,599 times have you heard this rick Rosa Sharon? I had 322 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:18,960 a Rosa Sharin. I loved it, but it just puts 323 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,480 seeds all over my yard and made a maintenance nightmare 324 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,000 and I'm tired of it. Do you have a Rosa 325 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,240 Sharon that doesn't have seeds? And yes we do. We 326 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:32,920 have two right now. And that includes the beautiful Azuri 327 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:37,160 blue satin rows of Sharon, which is so pretty. That 328 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:39,720 is a single blue, but a very beautiful true blue. 329 00:18:39,799 --> 00:18:42,240 Especially when it's in bud. That plant will not set seed. 330 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:46,759 And there's also a dwarf one called Polypetite hibiscus that 331 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:49,839 has kind of lavender flowers and bluish green foliage, and 332 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:52,480 that one is also seedless. So some of the in 333 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:56,319 check plants again, are known to be sort of notoriously invasive, 334 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,319 and this provides an alternative. But some of them are 335 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,880 also just a way of making your guardening chores a 336 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,759 little bit easier, so you can kind of have your 337 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:06,319 cake and eat it too. It's not so much a 338 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,680 worry about, you know, Rosa sharon is going into the 339 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,640 woods and disrupting the ecosystem. It really is primarily an 340 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,160 issue only in urban areas and doesn't spread usually far 341 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,920 away from your yard. But no one wants to pull 342 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,559 rosa share and seedlings every day long. 343 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: It's pain. 344 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:20,839 Speaker 2: Although a lot of people you see them, you know, 345 00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:22,119 they dig them up and then they try to sell 346 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,799 them by the roadside for like five. 347 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: Bucks Facebook marketing. 348 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well this is not the one for you 349 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:32,680 because these are not going to set seed now. Butterfly 350 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,920 bush is another great example. Butterfly bush out West is 351 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,920 a terribly invasive plant, and it was banned except for 352 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,279 newer varieties like the ones in our incheck program, which 353 00:19:42,319 --> 00:19:47,119 have been scientifically proven to have reduced fertility. So if 354 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,240 you are what if you live in the Northwest, that's 355 00:19:49,319 --> 00:19:51,319 only those are going to be your only options. Is 356 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,920 these non invasive varieties. But for the rest of us, 357 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,720 it's kind of just a nice to have, right, It's 358 00:19:56,839 --> 00:19:58,920 just nice to know that you are then selecting a 359 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,039 butterfly bush that you don't have to worry about spreading 360 00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:04,680 seed around, even if it's a place like here, you know, 361 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,079 in Michigan, where butterfly bush very rarely spreads by seed 362 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:11,519 for most of us. And guess what, our best selling 363 00:20:11,599 --> 00:20:15,440 butterfly bush also happens to be in the in check program. 364 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,400 Pugster blue butterfly bush. Yes, what fabulous blue flowers. So 365 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:23,640 the great thing too about the in check program is 366 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,599 that it's not just like settling for a plant that 367 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,680 is not as attractive as the you know, more problematic counterpart. 368 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:34,880 They're equally, if not more attractive. You just don't have 369 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,599 that extra issue of worrying about the seed spreading. Now 370 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,720 you will find in check plants on it is your 371 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:43,920 local garden center and you want to look at the 372 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,319 plants tag, There is a little in check designation before 373 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,759 the common name. So for example, if you take the 374 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:52,960 pugster blue butterfly bush, it will say Pugster blue in 375 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,000 check butterfly bush. So if it's an in check butterfly bush. 376 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,799 If it's an in check barbery, etc. Then you know 377 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,279 that is one of the variety that you are not 378 00:21:01,319 --> 00:21:04,880 going to have to worry about spreading around, So do 379 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:06,920 look out for that. You can find a full list. 380 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:09,799 Just go to proven Winner's Color Choice dot com and 381 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,319 type in in check two words and you will get 382 00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:15,240 the whole list of our plants and learn a little 383 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:18,279 bit more about all twenty two of them. With that, 384 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,519 we are going to take a little break, but when 385 00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:22,160 we come back, we're going to be opening the garden 386 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:31,640 mail bags, so please stay tuned. At Proven Winners Color 387 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,880 Choice Shrubs. We know that a better landscape starts with 388 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,279 a better shrub. Our team of experts tests and evaluates 389 00:21:38,319 --> 00:21:40,680 all of our flowering shrubs in evergreens for eight to 390 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,400 ten years to ensure they outperform what's already on the market. 391 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:48,759 For easycare, reliable, beautiful shrubs to accentuate your home and 392 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:51,720 express your personal style, look for Proven Winner's Shrubs in 393 00:21:51,759 --> 00:21:54,640 the distinctive white container at your local garden center or 394 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,680 learn more at proven Winner's Color Choice dot Com. Creeting's 395 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,519 Garden friends and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, 396 00:22:02,519 --> 00:22:04,319 where it is now our pleasure to help you with 397 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:09,680 your gardens. Questions, quandaries, and conundrums and celebrations of course always, 398 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,200 although there's probably not too too many of those just yet. 399 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,440 We heard from some listeners with some nice orchids and 400 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,559 so forth blooming indoors over the winter. 401 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: But well, we get questions, we get conundrums and stacy. 402 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:23,839 I've got to say, thank you very mulch. I sometimes joke, 403 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:30,000 send us brownies or fudge. We got fudge linquor infused 404 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:34,400 gourmet fudge with cherries and cranberries, and there was one 405 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:41,200 toasted pecan. Wow. Thank you wow. I love it. 406 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 2: So yes, thank you very much. 407 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,559 Speaker 1: Conundrums and send fudge Adriana. 408 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 2: Yes, Adriana would like us to start asking for airstreams. 409 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:54,920 Oh she would like an airstream travel trailer. Oh there 410 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,000 you go, so you know we can. 411 00:22:57,279 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: Let's work on that. 412 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 2: Send us airstreams. We'll make sure she gets it, don't worry, no, 413 00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:07,359 just kidding. We really do appreciate that, and we always 414 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,160 appreciate hearing from you. It means a lot to us. 415 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,000 And so if you do want to reach out, just 416 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,440 go to Gardening Simplified on air dot com. There is 417 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,559 a contact form right there on our website, and you 418 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:22,119 can even attach photos, which of course are always very 419 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,119 helpful in diagnosing issues and seeing your celebrations. Of course, 420 00:23:28,079 --> 00:23:30,400 so I welcome you to reach out to us there. 421 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,720 And you know we can't answer all of the questions 422 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:35,240 just because some of them are too long and too 423 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,839 involved and too hard to describe on the radio, But 424 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,559 we do want to help every single one of you 425 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:43,759 who does have a gardening question. So, and you'll get this. 426 00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:45,839 If you email us, you'll get a bounce back that 427 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,039 immediately says, hey, we may get to your question on 428 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:50,000 the air, but you can also reach us at proven 429 00:23:50,039 --> 00:23:52,720 Owner's Color choice dot com. There's a contact form there 430 00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:55,240 that will go directly to one of our horticulturists and 431 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:57,759 you'll get a personalized response because you know we're invested 432 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:00,359 in your success. We don't just tell you that on 433 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:00,759 the show. 434 00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:02,559 Speaker 1: It's so I agree. 435 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: Anyway, what have we got in the mail bag this week? 436 00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:08,519 Speaker 1: We're going to need your help, Stacey, because Gary's asking us, 437 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:12,000 can you recommend a boxwood variety that grows fast and 438 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,720 tall for a deer proof privacy hit? 439 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 2: If only, if only I could, Gary the said, unfortunate 440 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,079 fact for us in cold climates. And Gary did have 441 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:27,880 a six one six area code in the phone number 442 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,519 he included, so pretty sure he's here with us in 443 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:37,119 West Michigan. But yeah, Unfortunately, the tall, beautiful box was 444 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,359 that you see in English gardens or even when you 445 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:44,079 go to the American southeast like Virginia and around you know, Willie, 446 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,440 Colonial Williamsburg and that sort of thing are not as hardy. 447 00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,160 In fact, some of them are not hardy at all 448 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,000 as the sort of more rounded, squat shorter ones that 449 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:59,160 are much more common in our landscape. So it is 450 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:03,680 unfortunately very difficult to find a tall boxwood hedge that 451 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:07,559 is appropriate for privacy that is hardy to Michigan. And 452 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:09,920 as far as fast growing, well that is the real 453 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,720 pipe dream here because that is also not going to happen. Now. 454 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,000 I will tell you Gary, I am trying to do 455 00:25:16,079 --> 00:25:19,480 this in my own yard with trying to make kind 456 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,440 of a boxwood wall with a variety called John Baldwin. 457 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,279 It does get to be about six to eight feet 458 00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:27,680 tall probably by the time I reach about one hundred 459 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:32,359 years old, and if I'm alive to see it, and 460 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:37,319 it is a very beautiful upright pyramidal boxwood variety. But yeah, unfortunately, 461 00:25:37,319 --> 00:25:40,279 between the fact that they are not as hardy and 462 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,200 that they are much slower growing, that leaves those of 463 00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,920 us in cold climates in kind of a lurch. Of course, 464 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,000 there's lots of breeders out there trying to find this 465 00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:51,400 kind of holy grail. In the meantime, I would suggest, 466 00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:54,880 if you have sun for it, do you consider a 467 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:59,960 juniper as a deer proof privacy hedge alternative. They're also 468 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,799 kind of slow growing, but they're much more widely available. Yes, 469 00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:06,319 we're much faster than a box but which wouldn't take much. 470 00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:09,880 They are one of the slowest growing plants. But yeah, 471 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,079 I really wish there were gary and I hope that 472 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,400 one day there will be. But for right now, looks 473 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,440 like it's going to be a juniper. 474 00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: All right, boy, Stacy, I was in my landscape this 475 00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:23,200 morning and I looked at my lemonee lace elderberry and 476 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,000 the buds on that are really nice and thick. Won't 477 00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:30,119 be long now that we'll be enjoying the lemonee lace 478 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,200 and Pamela writes to us last year, I planted a 479 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:37,799 lemony lace elderberry per your recommendation from an earlier show. 480 00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,599 Speaker 2: Thank you very mulch, because we're both crazy about that plant. 481 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,559 Speaker 1: That's right. I understand I should plant two elderberries to 482 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:47,119 get the best blooms. As I plan a new bed, 483 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,519 I would like to add a second elderberry. Do I 484 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:53,039 need to plant another lemony lace or a different one? 485 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 2: Right? So age old question here something that is very confusing, 486 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,119 and we do try to clarify this on our website, 487 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,400 but I'm happy to clarify it here as well. So 488 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,039 lemony lace elderberry will only set fruit or berries if 489 00:27:05,079 --> 00:27:08,960 it is cross pollinated with a different variety. So this 490 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,880 isn't a situation like a holly where there's separate male 491 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,599 and female plants and you need to make sure that 492 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,599 you have a male and some females and only the 493 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,960 females will get berries. The thing with elderberries is also 494 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,759 the case with viburnums, is simply that they need genetic 495 00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:27,359 diversity introduced in order to set those seeds. So it 496 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,920 shouldn't impact their flowering at all. But certainly if you 497 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,839 want the berries and on lemony lace, I think they 498 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,599 are quite attractive. They're red, they come out later in 499 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,759 the season. They contrast beautifully with that bright golden foliage, 500 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,559 so they are a nice kind of thing to have there. 501 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,039 But no, you cannot get fruit on lemony lace by 502 00:27:44,079 --> 00:27:48,440 planting another lemony lace. Because our plants are clones of 503 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,960 one another. They're vegetatively propagated, so that no matter when 504 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,599 or where you buy a lemony lace elderberry, it's always 505 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,759 going to be the same plant. The flip side of that, 506 00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:59,279 of course, is that they cannot serve to cross pollinate 507 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,039 each other. The good news is, Pamela, I'm not sure 508 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:05,160 where you are located, but the species that lemony lace 509 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,640 elderberry is Sambucus rasamosa, is very abundant here in Michigan 510 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:13,200 in the wild. So if you live near almost any 511 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:15,480 kind of wild place, you see it in ditches along 512 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,480 the highway, You'll see it all over the place. Native 513 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:24,559 populations can serve to pollinate your lemony lace. If you 514 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,119 live I'd say within you know, maybe a mile or 515 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,200 so of some native Sambucus rassamosis. But that's the other 516 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,720 key thing. If you are looking for a cultivated variety 517 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,240 or something from a garden center, it should not be 518 00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:42,039 a different species. The other species it's really popular of elderberry, 519 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:46,720 either Sambucus nigra or Sambucus canadensis. Those bloom much later. 520 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,240 And you know, Rick was just talking about the fabulous 521 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:51,759 buds that he's seeing on his lemony lace. Those are 522 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,599 the flower buds. Because lemony lace is one of the 523 00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:58,359 earliest shrubs to flower in our garden. Probably yeah, I 524 00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:00,880 mean it basically goes kind of our sweet and low 525 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,880 sweet box, and then you know a few weeks later 526 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160 you're gonna get flowers on the lemony lace. It flowers 527 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,200 what's known as naked before the foliage comes out. It 528 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,559 has these big, beautiful, lacy flowers. So if you're gonna 529 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:15,160 plant another species, it's not necessarily the pollen wouldn't be compatible, 530 00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:19,160 but that that Sambucus nigro or Sambucus canadensis that's not 531 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,880 going to be flowering until June, so no chance across 532 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,079 pollination there. So you might be able to find another 533 00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:28,359 Sambucus resamosa. It can be a little bit tricky. I 534 00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:31,079 think there's one variety called Sutherland's Gold, but I think 535 00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:34,440 that because lemony lace is such a much better production plant, 536 00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:37,759 you know, for the growers to actually get to you 537 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,759 that it's just a lot more abundant. So another thing 538 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,039 that you can do and do tried with caution on 539 00:29:45,079 --> 00:29:49,519 this piece of advice, but if you can harvest some 540 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,559 stems of an elderberry, you know, from a ditch or 541 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:53,920 something like that. Obviously you don't want to go on 542 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,680 private property or do this in any kind of park 543 00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,720 or anything like that, but you can actually take some 544 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,599 stem and put them in your yard and let the 545 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,559 bees kind of do the work that way, if you 546 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:05,759 can get your hands on some of the native population. 547 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,559 But again, they have to their blooms have to overlap exactly, 548 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:12,160 so you'll know it's them, because there's not going to 549 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,119 be other elderberries blooming. And I'm thinking that's going to 550 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,559 probably be yeah, maybe a week or two here. 551 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,079 Speaker 1: Oh, it's I can't wait. And Pamela, let me suggest 552 00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:24,480 to you also that with my lemony lace elderberry in 553 00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:29,960 my landscape, I planted blue fortune agasthat ooh in front 554 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,359 of it, and it gets tall enough so that it 555 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,240 can use the lemone lace as a backdrop, and that 556 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,359 contrast between the blue flowers and the lemony lace, that 557 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:42,799 combination in a landscape really pops. 558 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,279 Speaker 2: Yes. In fact, I also have that combination, not deliberately, 559 00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:48,359 it just kind of turned out that way, but I 560 00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:51,319 do love it. It is I mean lemony lace. It's 561 00:30:51,359 --> 00:30:53,440 just it's such a beautiful plant, and it's such an 562 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,519 interesting plant that even if you don't get the fruit 563 00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:59,480 on it, not to despair, because it is so ornamental 564 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,559 on its own, and it really offers so much that 565 00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,480 the fruit is just kind of a bonus. I would 566 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,319 also say, if you are the kind of person who 567 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:09,839 is interested in using elderberries for culinary or medicinal properties, 568 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,440 this species of lemony lace, Sambucus rasimosa, is the less 569 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,559 desirable of them. If where's the fruit of Sambucus niagra 570 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:24,039 or canadensis is juicy, The fruit on the lemony lace 571 00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:26,519 is kind of like a pithy, you know, like that 572 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:31,240 like kind of spongy weirdness. It is also toxic, as 573 00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,519 is the fruit of the regular elderberry if it's not 574 00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:36,480 fully ripe. So again it's a nice ornamental feature. I 575 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,279 wouldn't recommend harvesting it or using it for any purposes, 576 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,160 So if you don't get it, it's not the end 577 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,759 of the world. You'll still get beautiful flowers, beautiful foliage, 578 00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:47,480 and have an amazing landscape plant to show for it. 579 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,799 Speaker 1: Every time I hear about elderberries, I'm taken back to 580 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,559 high school when I was cast in a play arsenic 581 00:31:54,599 --> 00:31:57,720 and old lace. Oh yeah, and drinking elderberry wine. 582 00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 2: Ah yeah, fine these days. Yeah, and you're going to 583 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:04,400 need a lot of elderberries to make some wine. But 584 00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:07,319 you know, doesn't make it impossible. Anyway. We're going to 585 00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,759 take a little break. When we come back, we're finishing 586 00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:12,480 up our conversation on invasive plants, so please stay tuned. 587 00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,079 Thanks for listening to the Gardening Simplified Podcast, brought to 588 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,119 you by Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. Our award winning 589 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,160 flowering shrubs and evergreens are trialed and tested by experts 590 00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:31,160 with your success in mind. Learn more at Proven Winners 591 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,119 color Choice dot com. 592 00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show as we address 593 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:41,440 the issue of invasive plants today and Stacy, you've reminded 594 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,599 me too that it's important with plants to understand the 595 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:52,119 botanical name in order to properly identify plants and problems. Earlier, 596 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,640 I mentioned the African tulip tree in Puerto rico. That 597 00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:03,640 is Spathodea camp panulata, But important to know that. Or 598 00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:08,559 I think of an invasive plant here in Michigan in 599 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:12,200 spring into June. You see it all along the ditches, 600 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,440 and that is Dame's rocket. But again important to know 601 00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:22,799 because if you're especially fond of this plant because you 602 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:27,000 have memories of Grandma growing them in her garden, or 603 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,920 you see them along the ditches and you simply identify 604 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,839 them as being flocks and they look like flocks, it 605 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,519 doesn't help address the issue that it is an invasive 606 00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:47,640 plant that produces copious amounts of seed and will outgrow 607 00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:53,119 other plants in short order. So there, I'm going to 608 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,240 take a shot at this stacey. Hesperus matronalis. 609 00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:00,359 Speaker 2: Yes, Hesperus matronalis. It's one of my favorite botanical even 610 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,519 though the plant is kind of saying it's just so 611 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,920 beautiful to say Hesperus matronalis. 612 00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:09,440 Speaker 1: Well, hesperus comes from the Greek word for evening. 613 00:34:09,519 --> 00:34:11,159 Speaker 2: As I am, it is not lovely. I think that's 614 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:11,880 a beautiful word. 615 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:14,159 Speaker 1: And it's pretty too. 616 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 2: It is very pretty. It has beautiful kind of cool 617 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,880 color that like cool lavender color, you know, on a 618 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,760 spring evening and it's very fragrant, and I know I 619 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,760 should not be talking so rhapsodically about an invasive plant, 620 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,360 but it's important too, because, Yeah, as you were saying, Rick, 621 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,199 you need to know these scientific names, because that is 622 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,920 how you're going to find out scientific information. If you 623 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,320 were to go online and simply type in Dame's rocket, 624 00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:43,719 you know, the robots are going to think that you 625 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,679 just want something like some old herbal remedies using Dame's rocket, 626 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,599 or find out the medieval history of why it's called 627 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,920 Dame's rocket or whatever. Whereas if you are then typing 628 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,480 in instead Hesperus matronaalis or you know, you find it, 629 00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:59,480 you find out that scientific name, then you research with 630 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,000 that scienceentific name, You're going to get a whole different 631 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,840 set of results than if you just put in Dame's rocket. 632 00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,360 And you know, I recently came across the situation where 633 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,880 this the importance of searching by a scientific name became 634 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,920 especially clear to me. I saw a bunch of different, 635 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,800 you know, and reputable sources online talking about the invasiveness 636 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,679 of bush honeysuckle. Oh yeah, Now, there is a plant 637 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,400 that we sell that is a North American native species 638 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,519 called d'urvilla. The most common common name for the darvilla 639 00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:34,559 or Kodiak series is bush honeysuckle, but that was not 640 00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,639 actually the plant that they were talking about. And all 641 00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,480 the plant that they were talking about is a honeysuckle 642 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,880 that happens to be a bush or a shrub instead 643 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,599 of the more common vine, which is leniscera to terika. 644 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,000 So these are totally different plants. But again, if we're 645 00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:52,480 just going by the scientific or just going by the 646 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,679 common name, you're very likely to get confused. Now, we 647 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,239 have specifically shied away from using the common name bush 648 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,239 honeysuckle or our durvilla for this exact reason, because, you know, 649 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,039 the actual shrubby honeysuckle that is invasive and is a 650 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:09,199 terrible plant and terrible pests. We didn't want it to 651 00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:11,280 get confused with that. But still people will look up. 652 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,159 They might say, oh, you know, hey, I saw this tervilla. 653 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,239 I want to know more about it. They start looking 654 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,360 into it. They go to a website, even a reputable website, 655 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,480 which says, oh, it's bush honeysuckle, and then you're like, 656 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,320 wait a minute, I thought you said it was native. 657 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,440 How is this invasive so it is so important to 658 00:36:25,519 --> 00:36:28,159 take that extra time if you are a researcher, and 659 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:31,280 I think a great many gardeners are researchers. We love 660 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,400 diving in and finding everything we can out about a topic. 661 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,400 So go in with your common name, if that's all 662 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,239 you have, that's a great place to start. But take 663 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,559 you know, those first couple of results. You know, Wikipedia 664 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,760 is usually a great place to start. You'll find the 665 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,280 scientific name there, and then after that, subsequently go through 666 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,760 and do those searches using the scientific name, and then 667 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,760 you're going to get scientific information instead of just you know, 668 00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:57,960 who knows what. 669 00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: Oh important point to be made. You know, you go 670 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,119 back to the Dame's rocket. We were talking about it. 671 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,239 It could be viewed by some people as a traditional 672 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,559 plant because your frame of reference only goes back to 673 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:18,679 when Gramma enjoyed that flox in bloom. But the reality 674 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,079 is the plant's been around since the sixteen hundreds and 675 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,280 is native to Siberia and Europe, and ant. 676 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,679 Speaker 2: Gramma was probably calling it flox or you know, because 677 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,400 we common names, you know, there's nothing governing them. Anyone 678 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,480 could make them up and a lot of us will 679 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,239 find out that, you know, we may have grown up 680 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,400 with some bad information, So never too late to get 681 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:39,199 the right information. 682 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: You've got it. Here's your limb a rick for today 683 00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:49,599 on invasive plants. Very short. Together, we can be persuasive 684 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,719 to control plants that are pervasive. Some are out of control, 685 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:01,000 so the land we patrol for invaders that are invasive. 686 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,840 And again, Stacy, going back to what we said in 687 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,760 segment one, it's more so about plants that in most 688 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,519 cases are non native and get into the wild and 689 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,320 displace plants that are familiar to that environment. 690 00:38:17,559 --> 00:38:20,159 Speaker 2: Right, And you know, sometimes it's not such a clear 691 00:38:20,159 --> 00:38:21,920 cut line. I mean a plant that certainly you and 692 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,519 I are well familiar with that A lot of scientists 693 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,960 and invasive plant managers will go back and forth on 694 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:31,400 is frag Mighties the giant read You know, there are 695 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,199 people who think that's just basically an invasive native. There 696 00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:37,599 are also those who say it's probably not native. But 697 00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:39,599 it's been around so long that we can no longer 698 00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:44,000 prove whether it was indigenous or introduced. But it doesn't 699 00:38:44,039 --> 00:38:46,760 change the fact that Frank Mighty is a massive problem 700 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:48,960 for a lot of waterways. 701 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, very big problem. And then you have some 702 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:59,079 native plants that some people identify as invasive. For example, 703 00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:03,960 if you look at solidago, the Canada golden rod, which 704 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,679 is an important plant in the landscape because it's important 705 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,280 for pollinators blooming at a time when generally they're earn't 706 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:17,960 as many blooms around. Or for example, Asclepias syriaca or 707 00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:22,760 the common milk weed, some people view that as an 708 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,159 invasive plant. It's a native plant, but invasive because they 709 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,679 can readily spread by rhizomes and you can find large 710 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:32,960 colonies in a landscape. 711 00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:35,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for sure, I mean it is. There is 712 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,280 a question of your personal perspective as well as what 713 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,880 you know sort of the government or the agencies consider 714 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,760 something to be invasive, and you know, it's it's very 715 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,480 difficult to sort of generalize about it too, because you know, 716 00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:53,840 one of the worst invasive plants in the UK is 717 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,639 a rhododendron. I mean, it is super aggressive and a terrible, 718 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,199 terrible problem. I absolutely despise it, and I'm sure there 719 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,280 are so many of our listeners out there going invasive rhododendron. 720 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,039 I can barely get the darn thing to grow, you know, 721 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,760 much less have it be invasive and saladego are Solidego 722 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,760 candidensis is terribly invasive in Asia. 723 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:23,199 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, exactly, and yet our environmental ecological powerhouses the 724 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,800 benefit of both milkweed and Canada golden rod, especially to 725 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:32,960 our pollinator population. So it gets quite complicated as the 726 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:39,000 Invasive Species Advisory Committee defines in invasive species as one 727 00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:43,679 that is non native to the ecosystem under consideration and 728 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:50,039 whose introduction causes or is likely to cause economic or 729 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:55,719 environmental harm to the environment and to human health. So 730 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,400 all difficult. In the first segment also we talk about 731 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,679 how positions can vary from state to state. Your your 732 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,079 cup plant that you love in your. 733 00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:11,320 Speaker 2: Landscape, that's an aggressive plant. 734 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,000 Speaker 1: It's an aggressive plant. So I noticed in my research 735 00:41:15,199 --> 00:41:19,880 that it's banned and considered an invasive in New York State. 736 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:24,800 Speaker 2: Oh interesting. Yeah, the only reason that it remains reasonably 737 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,519 in check in my yard is because my soil is 738 00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:32,880 so dry. So yeah, it's it's very and it's so 739 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,559 difficult to generalize, and we don't. We always want to 740 00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:38,480 give our listeners some sort of concrete, you know, takeaway 741 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,800 that they can use, and you know, I think really 742 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,679 the takeaway here is that since there is no kind 743 00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:47,880 of gold standard nationwide for the US or for Canada. 744 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,920 You need to kind of go to that local state 745 00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:54,840 level and do a little bit of research yourself and 746 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,480 it pays off. 747 00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:01,159 Speaker 1: Right. You know, a plant with a complicated, long story, 748 00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:04,039 and we touched on this earlier. You wantamus a latus 749 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,159 or burning bush, and it can spread into woodland areas 750 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,480 and become a real problem. But that's some of the 751 00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:15,840 work that's being done by plant breeders. Stacey, you mentioned 752 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,599 for our listeners and viewers to mention it one more time. 753 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,199 Fireball seedless, so it's sterile. It is. 754 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 2: Yep, you don't have to worry about it spreading. And 755 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,880 again there's many ways that plant breeders can accomplish this. 756 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,119 It doesn't mean that the plant is not still beneficial, 757 00:42:33,199 --> 00:42:35,480 that it's still going to flower and those flowers can 758 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,159 still support insects with any nectar that it has. It 759 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,480 just doesn't set seed, just like a seedless watermelon. 760 00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: Well, complicated topic, but hope you enjoyed this look inside 761 00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,480 invasive plants and maybe we'll have to do some future 762 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:53,320 episodes on it. 763 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 2: Well, it's a very massive topic and we could say 764 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,320 a lot about it, but I hope we at least 765 00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:01,239 got people interested enough to find out for themselves what's 766 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,039 going on in their area exactly. 767 00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:06,639 Speaker 1: And don't believe everything you see in social media. 768 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 2: Now it's for sure. 769 00:43:07,519 --> 00:43:11,519 Speaker 1: Please, Thanks Stacey, Thanks Rick, Thanks Adriana. Thanks to you 770 00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:15,840 for watching us on YouTube, downloading our podcast, or listening 771 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,719 to us on radio. Have yourself a great week.