WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.160 Personally, I think they can see the infrared spectrum. When 2 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:08.240 my family has their cameras on on the family property 3 00:00:08.279 --> 00:00:13.679 in Wisconsin, no activity, nothing, turn the cameras off. Within 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:18.399 forty eight dollars. Activity, You're getting slaps on the cabin, 5 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:22.600 you're getting rocks thrown, you're getting put the cameras bang on, disappears. 6 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:25.760 So I just think that they can see in that 7 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:28.920 light spectrum. You know, that's me. There is no you know. 8 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:32.640 Can I say that's a positive? Absolutely not, because the 9 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:37.479 one thing we know about sasquatch is we actually know nothing. 10 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:17.519 I tend to look at things realistically. I believe, yes, 11 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:20.560 I've seen a sasquatch with my own eyeballs. You know, 12 00:01:20.599 --> 00:01:23.719 I've had rocks thrown at me. I've never been scared. 13 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:26.280 I've never thought I was going to be you know, 14 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:30.239 it was ever in any danger. But I just think 15 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.439 that they're out there, and I just I don't know how. 16 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:36.480 I don't know how at this point, especially with AI, 17 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:39.319 I don't know how we are actually going to prove 18 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:43.480 that they exist without one one being on a slab. 19 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:45.719 And I'm not saying, you know, we have to hunt one, 20 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:50.239 but without a physical body, especially with Ai, no one's 21 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:53.200 gonna believe you. It just makes sense, and it just 22 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.599 bothers me so much that people can, you know, just 23 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.920 they look at you like you're dumb, but they can't 24 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:05.560 offer any explanation other than, well, you know, prove it. 25 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:09.080 And there's so many people now, I mean, I don't know, 26 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:12.639 I don't know when you took an interest in sasquatch. 27 00:02:12.719 --> 00:02:18.719 But my my first taste of anything sasquatch was as 28 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:25.560 a kid watching the Leonard Nimoy Show in Search of 29 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:30.719 on PBS. Yeah, because there was there was no Internet, 30 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:33.280 there was no you know, heck, there was only four 31 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:38.240 TV channels, you know, so you didn't you know, so 32 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:41.400 your your early age and then you know, I grew 33 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:46.199 up summering in you know, northern Minnesota, deep in the woods. 34 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.280 I mean, her cabin was three miles from the mailbox, so, 35 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:54.879 you know, and you looking, you never thought about sasquatch 36 00:02:54.879 --> 00:03:00.560 back then, never looking back now, gosh, that was prime area. Uh, 37 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:05.439 absolutely prime area. I mean you had just bumper crops 38 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:08.319 of all sorts of wild berries and the fish and 39 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:12.240 all the animals, and you know it's you know, obviously glates, 40 00:03:12.319 --> 00:03:16.719 the Ojibwa Indians that were up in the area we 41 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:19.919 were at, you know, with all their totem poles and 42 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:21.879 all that kind of stuff. And you know, when you're 43 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:23.919 a kid, you look at the totem pole and you're like, Okay, 44 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:27.120 that's kind of cool, and you never really think about 45 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:32.319 it now, you know, looking at Native American art in 46 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:34.719 the way they depict you know, the hairy man or 47 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.000 you know, like, you know, I wish I could go 48 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:39.479 back to those totem poles and see if there wasn't 49 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:40.520 a hairy man on those. 50 00:03:41.520 --> 00:03:44.919 Oh well, there's for sure some hairyman totem poles out there. 51 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:49.039 I've seen photographs of them, you know, documented through history, 52 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:53.280 and it's like, okay, well, you know, I understand. I've 53 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:58.759 studied a lot of Native American spirituality and folklore and 54 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.319 just they're over all ways of life, how they viewed 55 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:07.639 things in their different societies. And to me, uh, whenever 56 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:13.560 you have depictions of known animals and then you have 57 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:18.560 something that resembles a sasquatch or a hairy man right 58 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:21.839 alongside with the known animals, it's it's it's not part 59 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:24.639 of you know, they're not putting it with the folklore stuff. 60 00:04:24.680 --> 00:04:25.959 They're putting with the known animals. 61 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.319 Yes, yeah, well that's it. That's it. There's not like 62 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:31.519 there's not like, okay, that's crazy Bob's cave drawings over there. 63 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:36.040 So you know it's and you know, the thing is 64 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:45.000 is you see very similar pictures in so many tribes 65 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:49.879 and so many Native American nations. It's not just one. Yeah, 66 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.319 in all all the way from you know, Inuit culture 67 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:59.839 in Alaska to you know, New Mexico, you know down 68 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:05.040 Aaron slaughtera seminole, they've all got there is a hairy 69 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:12.360 man in just about all other cultures. Yeah, this can't 70 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:15.480 you know, this is not something made up that started 71 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.480 out in the fifties. Just someone just happened to find 72 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:19.800 a footprint. 73 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:25.639 Why do you think that the subject of sasquatch does 74 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:27.879 meet with so much skepticism. 75 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:34.199 I think because you know, when when I was a kid, 76 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.920 you know, your parents would would instill you, you know, with 77 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:43.319 certain with certain values, or tell you certain things. And 78 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:47.879 you know, we lived, we lived in a polite society 79 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.160 back then. I grew up in a really small farm 80 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:57.000 town in Illinois. Of my family was very well known. 81 00:05:57.079 --> 00:05:59.959 My grandfather was on the village board for like four 82 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:03.000 five years. He was mayor for like sixteen. He was 83 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:06.199 a police commissioner. My dad was on the police department, 84 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.959 on the volunteer fire department, and on the hardware store. 85 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:12.399 One or two people knew us and my oh my 86 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.920 mom was a teacher, so you know, but when you 87 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:18.439 have a lot of people don't want to say things 88 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.759 because if you say something, people could be like, oh, 89 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:30.399 yeah she's nuts or yeah he's a crackpot, and now 90 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:35.480 you've lost your, you know, credibility in the community. And 91 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:40.120 children that were raised up by those parents tend not 92 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.680 to speak a lot. I don't tell a lot of 93 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.360 people about my sasquatch beliefs because a lot of people 94 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:50.519 just look at you like, oh, KIDOK, we used to 95 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:57.199 think you were semi intelligent. Yeah, and it's a shame, 96 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:00.360 but you stand up and say hi, my name. I 97 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:04.519 believe in Bigfoot like that, dude's crazy. I honestly, I 98 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.240 don't know why, because it's you know, there there's you know, 99 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.920 everyone always says the proof is out there, but there's 100 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.800 so much evidence. It's just it's unbelievable. 101 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:21.600 There's not a case of a handful of people are 102 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:27.000 claiming that they saw something. It's thousands upon thousands upon thousands, 103 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.639 with new ones coming out every single year, going back 104 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.000 as far as we can see recorded history. All over 105 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:38.079 the planet, people have been reporting run ins with these things. 106 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.079 You know, absolutely, I mean, yes, I think that there's 107 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:48.560 countries that don't have a sasquatch type creature. I mean, 108 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:52.600 I don't think England has one. But England's small. 109 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.480 I mean there's some people that would beg to differ, like. 110 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.639 I say, this is this is just this is just 111 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:02.319 my you know I and I see a lot of people, 112 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:05.199 and I see a lot of people wanting you know 113 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:10.519 that that are from England that said that, you know, 114 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:13.399 does anyone know of anything over here? And you know, 115 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:15.439 I lived over there for two years in the military. 116 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:21.240 In god, it's a beautiful country. But as far as habitat, 117 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.519 I didn't see a lot. Now that's say that's by 118 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:29.639 no means the you know, the no al Arndel. 119 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:33.320 But I've heard a couple of things out of Germany, 120 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:38.879 and at one point in time, Germany definitely had the habitat, oh. 121 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:41.279 Absolutely, and they probably still do. I think it's just 122 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:44.840 the fact that, you know, England being an island. Yeah, yeah, 123 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.960 I don't know if people. It's just weird how you 124 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.919 can have that many people and so many of whom 125 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:57.320 are are I would call absolutely credible, Oh for sure, 126 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:01.200 you know. I mean the the woman that you know 127 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.480 is on TV time, you know, on the TV as 128 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:07.360 many times talking about big footage she is about the tornado. Yeah, 129 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:12.480 maybe not so credible, but I mean people like you know, 130 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:18.159 God bless his soul, doctor Meldram, I mean you. I mean, 131 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:20.840 I don't think you could find anyone more credible to him. 132 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:24.240 I really don't. I don't know. It's a huge thing, 133 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:29.519 and it's it's it's becoming more popular. You see, you 134 00:09:29.600 --> 00:09:32.639 see on everything. 135 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.759 And I also think that's kind of weird because if 136 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:42.639 you look at it from the perspective of the category 137 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:46.919 that you would place Bigfoot in typically where it's this cryptid, 138 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:53.600 where it's in the same box as chupacabra. 139 00:09:54.720 --> 00:10:00.480 Right see, you don't see such a pop culture presence 140 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:03.600 with all those other cryptids, just Bigfoot for some reason, 141 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:07.120 and it seems to be just isolated to North America 142 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:08.320 where it's popular like that. 143 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.799 But it's literally, like you're saying, everywhere, I see Bigfoot 144 00:10:11.840 --> 00:10:14.440 stickers on cars every time I leave the house. 145 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:18.840 Oh absolutely, And you see you know, you see you 146 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:21.440 see people just walking down the street with a big 147 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:25.360 Foot hat on. Yeah, you know, it's yeah, it is. 148 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:30.360 It's it's hut. It's hugely marketable, you know. And I 149 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.000 think you do see some of the other cryptic creatures, 150 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.759 like up in Wisconsin you see the ho dagon, a 151 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:41.200 bunch of things. Yeah, up in that, up in that area. 152 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.080 And I know that Michigan in the lower Wisconsin you 153 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:46.240 see dog Man a lot of things. 154 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:49.840 And Mothman has definitely gained popularity in the flat Woods. 155 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:57.120 Monster yeah, yeah, the local regional creatures or more regional. 156 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:04.600 But Bigfoot is like this huge North American phenomenon and 157 00:11:04.679 --> 00:11:08.159 I don't know why it's so popular and people make 158 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:13.039 so much money off of it just to be set 159 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:14.279 aside by science. 160 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:19.799 So you told me how you initially found out about 161 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:24.320 Bigfoot and kind of got interested in as a kid. So, now, 162 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:27.720 where did it really go down the rabbit hole for you? 163 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:36.600 Back in I want to stay around nineteen eighty two. 164 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.919 I was in high school and we were we were 165 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:44.279 in Minnesota for the summer on vacation for a couple 166 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:46.159 of weeks, and I was on the Cross country team, 167 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.480 so I wanted to practice. So I ran three miles 168 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:53.879 to the mailbox and back every day. And one day, 169 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:59.320 as I was running to the mailbox, I got to 170 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:04.200 this area that the kids, or I was one of 171 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:06.759 the kids whatever, we named the Darkenings. It was an 172 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:10.720 area probably about a quarter mile long where the trees 173 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:12.960 just kind of grew over both sides of the road 174 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:18.840 and it just really got dark. And I was running 175 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:23.320 through there and I heard I heard an animal sound. 176 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:30.720 I couldn't identify it, but it was, you know, somewhere 177 00:12:30.759 --> 00:12:36.919 in that cow bellering horse, naming sheet bob, just animalistic sound. 178 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.879 And I'm like, okay, that's weird, but just kept on going, 179 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:44.600 never never thought anything of it, got to the mailbox, 180 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:49.360 coming back through again on the way back. On the 181 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:53.639 way back through back to the cabin, I heard another 182 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:57.159 sound kind of sort of similar, and I'm like, okay, 183 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:00.000 there must be whatever it is there and I never 184 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:04.559 so I just kept on running. I got probably fifty 185 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:14.279 or sixty yards past that and I heard probably one 186 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:18.559 of the most disturbing sounds. And now that almost like 187 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:26.919 the not a blood curdling scream, but something something wasn't happy, 188 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:32.399 and it stopped me dead in my tracks, and I 189 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:36.399 turned around and back in these little darkenings, there was 190 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:45.399 a tree that something was very angry with this tree 191 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:49.039 and it was whipping back and forth, and I was like, 192 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.679 what in the heck is that? So I'm like, okay, 193 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:55.399 we're out of here. And I don't know what the 194 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:57.559 world record was at the time for cross country, but 195 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.679 I'm sure I broke it between that point and getting 196 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:04.080 on with that. And I got back and I was 197 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:06.360 freaked out and I was tired. I couldn't breathe, I 198 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:09.440 couldn't talk, and of course my mom's freaking out. He's 199 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:11.720 gonna die or you know, have a heart attack. Of course, 200 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:14.080 my dad's like, I just throw him the lake. And 201 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:19.039 I never really told anybody, you know, I said there 202 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:21.159 was something shaking a tree. Of course, you know, my 203 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:23.759 grandpa offered the great words of recursiment. Well, that was 204 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:29.080 probably a bear, And that was my that was my 205 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:35.320 awakening that there's something something out there, because whatever I 206 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:40.559 heard wasn't a bear. And that's just I'm like, you 207 00:14:40.600 --> 00:14:43.919 know what, there's there's so much I'm like, that's just 208 00:14:44.039 --> 00:14:47.360 kind of it just kind of peaked my It kind 209 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:52.720 of peaked my interest. And then you know, a couple 210 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.080 of years after that, you graduate, you know, you go 211 00:14:55.120 --> 00:15:00.200 in the military. Life happens. So I never I never 212 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:05.960 really gave it much more of a thought. And then 213 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:13.320 sometime around twenty I he's thirteen, twenty fourteen, something like that, 214 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.240 my sister and her husband bought property up in Wisconsin. 215 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:24.440 And I'm not going to give the location, because you know, 216 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:28.840 you need more people up there, but I'll just say 217 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:33.080 the Gold Triangle area. It's it's way north Wisconsin. And 218 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:38.639 they started having you know, little things, rocks, tan prints, 219 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.879 and so I'm like, okay, I'm like, this is cool. 220 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.360 And of course then you start, you start, you know, hey, 221 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.720 let's let's let's start. And of course, now the internet's 222 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:52.679 alive and you can find out anything you want. So 223 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:54.840 you get more interested in the TV shows and some 224 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:56.159 of you are like, oh my god, this is I 225 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:58.879 can't believe people watch this. So I'm like, I need 226 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:01.399 to start. I to get up there. So I started 227 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.279 spending time up there, and I'd actually spend time out 228 00:16:04.320 --> 00:16:08.840 in the woods and you'd hear things you couldn't identify. 229 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:13.759 You start seeing, you know, like tree brakes, and then 230 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:17.759 I've seen. I saw some trees that were actually woven 231 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.120 together that this didn't nothing could fall and this make 232 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:27.320 this happen. And in like September of twenty twenty two, 233 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:31.960 I was up there and I was sitting there was 234 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:35.320 this huge rock out in the middle of the woods, 235 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:39.840 and I that's where i'd sit. I'm good five six 236 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.240 foot off the ground. I had good visualize there was 237 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:45.600 a little clearing, and I'd sit up there and I 238 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:50.639 just listen, and coming off from one side, I could 239 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:56.440 hear a bear chomping. It's chomping saying hey, I don't 240 00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.639 want you here, time for you to leave. So I'm like, okay, cool, 241 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.399 got off the rock, just walked out of the woods, 242 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.799 and I'm walking down the road to the my sister's 243 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.640 cabin and just out of the corner of my eye, 244 00:17:10.640 --> 00:17:14.960 I see something in the air and it just kind 245 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:17.480 of grabbed my attention. It was a rock and it 246 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:23.039 landed like ten feet in front of me, and I 247 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:25.599 walk up and I pick up the rock, and I'm like, well, 248 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:33.880 I can throw a rock. I likes, I don't think 249 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:38.759 there's any monkeys up here. So I just picked up 250 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:40.920 the rock, walked back into the cabin. Me and my 251 00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:44.319 sister talked about it, and you know, it was it 252 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.359 was like really cool and you know, she's a believer, 253 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:50.640 so it was it was something cool. And a couple 254 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:53.400 of nights later, I was sitting out, I was sitting 255 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.519 on them, I was sitting on the screen and porch 256 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:03.720 just it was dark. It was just taking you know, 257 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.960 this is the north Woods, that it's best, just taking 258 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:12.119 it all in. And my sister went to bed. And 259 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:15.920 a while later, I, you know exactly how long I 260 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.119 couldn't tell you, something hit the roof of the cab 261 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:28.440 and I'm like, okay, So grabbed my flashlight, grabbed my 262 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:32.519 you know, freedom seed dispenser stepped out of the door 263 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.880 and as I raised my light up, as soon as 264 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.559 I got it up, it was it was a very 265 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:45.640 bright moonlit night. I could see sasquatch just standing there 266 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:49.680 at the end of the driveway, probably twenty five yards away, 267 00:18:51.599 --> 00:18:56.000 and I'm like, oh my god. And then as I 268 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:58.759 got the flashlight, just if I got the flashlight up, 269 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.359 he was it was gone. It was gone. But I 270 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:06.240 stepped back in the cabin, I'm like, oh my god, 271 00:19:06.240 --> 00:19:08.559 did I really see what I just saw? And you're 272 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:11.839 trying to process everything going you know, boy, this is 273 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:14.119 the moment you've waited for, and then your brain's going, 274 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:18.359 but did you really see it? Yeah? And so the 275 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.440 next morning I got up, you know, looked out. You know, 276 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.119 it's a hard pack, it'd been dry, so there are 277 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:29.079 no footprints. But actually to actually see one standing there 278 00:19:31.119 --> 00:19:37.200 was just amazing. I mean because instantly you go from 279 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:44.559 believer to nowhere you know that they exist, and that 280 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:51.519 just that drove me more into want to investigate more 281 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:57.519 and spend more time in the woods to not only Okay, 282 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:00.400 you know we've checked bigfoot off the list, what else 283 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:01.039 is out there? 284 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:01.759 Right? 285 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:05.319 And that's you know, and I've also had the dog 286 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:10.519 man experience the same property, so I think that they're 287 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:11.039 out there. 288 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.440 Did your sister ever see one at the cabin? 289 00:20:14.759 --> 00:20:18.039 No? No, my sister has never seen one, but she's 290 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:23.440 but she's had I mean, she's had full size handprints 291 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:26.920 on the side of her cabin, like they literally walk 292 00:20:27.079 --> 00:20:30.440 up right where she's sleep and just smacked the side 293 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:31.000 of the cabin. 294 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:36.960 Whenever you say you heard something hit the cabin, do 295 00:20:37.039 --> 00:20:39.759 you mean like something was thrown at the cabin or 296 00:20:39.799 --> 00:20:41.240 something smacked the cabin. 297 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:44.240 Yeah, it's something. Something is something hit the roof. 298 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:47.880 Do you think they were trying to get your attention? 299 00:20:49.880 --> 00:20:55.480 You know, I truly believe that, Yeah, I do. I 300 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:59.799 think I think that. In God, I don't want to. 301 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:02.720 No, this is where it gets a little weird. But 302 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:05.319 what you're describing as one of those situations where it's 303 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:08.799 a logical train of thought would be this thing showed 304 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:09.640 itself to you. 305 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:16.599 Absolutely, absolutely. And it's funny because my sister spends a 306 00:21:16.599 --> 00:21:20.799 lot of time up there alone and because my brother 307 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:24.759 in law still works, and she'll have activity, you know 308 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:28.160 with rock throwing and hand pounding and nothing, nothing scary, 309 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:31.759 you know, nothing's ever. She's never felt she's never felt 310 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:35.000 worried at any point. Well when the brother, when her 311 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:40.720 husband shows up, nope, there it goes, no activity, none whatsoever. 312 00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:45.440 Same thing when her son in law shows up, Nope, 313 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:49.319 none whatsoever. But that time where I was up there 314 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:54.400 by myself, we had activity. So I don't know if 315 00:21:54.440 --> 00:22:01.160 they just have a sense about people that you know, 316 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:05.839 this guy's here and there's no harm. I don't know, 317 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:09.039 and I don't know how to even explain it. But 318 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.440 why would why would there be activity only when I'm there. 319 00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:17.920 Well, I don't have an explanation for it, right, but 320 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:21.519 I mean common sense would say, like, okay, if I'm 321 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:25.319 messing with someone. We've all done it as kids, and 322 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:28.559 you know we still do it strategically in certain areas. 323 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:35.960 If you're trying to get someone's attention, you know, you 324 00:22:36.119 --> 00:22:39.519 hide behind a tree and watch them come out. 325 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:39.759 Right. 326 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:44.519 You conceal yourself. You don't stand out, you know, horizoned 327 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:46.480 by the area and the clearing. 328 00:22:47.880 --> 00:22:50.240 Yeah, I don't, Yeah, I don't know. It's it's so 329 00:22:50.480 --> 00:22:56.920 hard to explain, but it's it really, it really transforms 330 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:01.000 the way you look at things because it's like there 331 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:05.079 was a reason. I mean, the sasquatch could have walked 332 00:23:05.240 --> 00:23:08.880 down that road, any other cabin on that little road. 333 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:11.839 Why did you stop in front of Why did he 334 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:14.599 stop in front of my sisters? Yeah, and throw a 335 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:19.119 rock roof with you sitting out there, it knew I 336 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:22.279 was there, is it throw a rock at me day? 337 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:27.200 A couple days before. I don't know. 338 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:31.359 Could you gauge anything like size or shape or anything? 339 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:36.319 Oh? Yeah, size size It was seven and a half 340 00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.519 eight foot judging by you know, I could see branches 341 00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:44.359 on the tree and the next day went out and like, yeah, 342 00:23:44.440 --> 00:23:49.400 that's like, you know, separate foot up there, very broad shouldered, 343 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:54.920 not nothing, nothing huge. You know, i'd say half again 344 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:57.799 as big as I am, which I'm not, I can't 345 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:04.799 by any means, very sizeable, very sizable. I'd say three 346 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:09.480 one hundred and fifty pounds, you know, if I had 347 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:11.720 to put it all together with his you know height, 348 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:19.079 his size once again, very typical. No neck and instantly gone, 349 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:21.279 I mean inst gone. 350 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:25.279 And whenever it left, any sound of it hitting the 351 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:26.519 brush or anything. 352 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:31.880 Nope, nope, nope, but it went. It had I mean 353 00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:39.119 there's probably eight or ten cabins on that gravel road 354 00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:42.799 and it's I say, it was super hard packed. Yeah, 355 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:46.480 so he has to. I mean, he could have taken 356 00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:48.440 four or five steps and been out of my view 357 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:53.480 with all the trees. So it didn't you know, it 358 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:56.519 didn't have to. It didn't have to run and make 359 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:58.319 a whole bunch of noise to get out of my view. 360 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:02.519 You and we've had you know, we we've we've had gifting. 361 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:08.279 You know, we'll leave apples and so they're out there 362 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:11.279 and they you know, I say, it's it's it's weird 363 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:13.960 because we we also have a shooting range on the property, 364 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:20.079 so it's not like we're in complete silence, right, you know. 365 00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:23.640 And obviously these creatures they have to know what guns are. 366 00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.880 I mean not you know, he's not gonna go, oh 367 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:28.359 it's nice for me, today's. 368 00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:33.880 Seventy, you know, but they've definitely seen what they do exactly. 369 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:36.079 They see hunters go in the woods and they see 370 00:25:36.200 --> 00:25:40.759 them take deer and stuff out. So you know, but yeah, 371 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:43.519 we have, we have a shooting range right there, right 372 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:48.799 there at the property, but doesn't does not seem to 373 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:51.319 affect the activity at all. 374 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:54.480 Do things on the property ever go missing? 375 00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:01.759 Not did I know of, Not that I know of. 376 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:06.400 It's it's it's, it's it's it's a few acres a 377 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:10.240 bit is just it's thick, heavy, dense woods and then 378 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:13.039 you know by the lake, by the lake, it's cleared out. 379 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:17.920 But to my knowledge, nothing's nothing's ever gone missing. 380 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.119 When you say gifting, do you mean items exchanged or 381 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:24.359 just things taken? 382 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:28.519 Oh? Just just just items. Just you know, hey, let's 383 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:31.680 put a let's put a couple of apples here, and yeah, 384 00:26:31.720 --> 00:26:34.079 I tried to put them where it could only be 385 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.119 you know that a bear, I mean, yeah, there's blackberries, 386 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:38.799 could climb a tree and grab it. So I can't 387 00:26:38.799 --> 00:26:40.960 say it was, you know, but we put fruit out 388 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.160 and it's disappeared. Yeah, does that mean it was could 389 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:47.200 have been a raccoon, could have been a bear, you know, 390 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.000 but no, no trinket type type of thing. 391 00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:55.960 And how long has this stuff been going on? 392 00:26:57.559 --> 00:27:02.759 Oh shoot, they're teen years, wow, they said. And when 393 00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:04.279 I say they bought it, they bought it in like 394 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:05.160 twenty thirteen. 395 00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.960 And is it year round or just certain times of 396 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:09.279 the year. 397 00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:11.440 Oh, well, it's not a year round cabin. 398 00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:13.640 Okay. 399 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.839 So they they they close it up. They closed it 400 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:20.440 up in late fall and then opened it, you know, 401 00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:24.319