Speaker 1: Personally, I think they can see the infrared spectrum. When
Speaker 1: my family has their cameras on on the family property
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, no activity, nothing, turn the cameras off. Within
Speaker 1: forty eight dollars. Activity, You're getting slaps on the cabin,
Speaker 1: you're getting rocks thrown, you're getting put the cameras bang on, disappears.
Speaker 1: So I just think that they can see in that
Speaker 1: light spectrum. You know, that's me. There is no you know.
Speaker 1: Can I say that's a positive? Absolutely not, because the
Speaker 1: one thing we know about sasquatch is we actually know nothing.
Speaker 1: I tend to look at things realistically. I believe, yes,
Speaker 1: I've seen a sasquatch with my own eyeballs. You know,
Speaker 1: I've had rocks thrown at me. I've never been scared.
Speaker 1: I've never thought I was going to be you know,
Speaker 1: it was ever in any danger. But I just think
Speaker 1: that they're out there, and I just I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I don't know how at this point, especially with AI,
Speaker 1: I don't know how we are actually going to prove
Speaker 1: that they exist without one one being on a slab.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying, you know, we have to hunt one,
Speaker 1: but without a physical body, especially with Ai, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna believe you. It just makes sense, and it just
Speaker 1: bothers me so much that people can, you know, just
Speaker 1: they look at you like you're dumb, but they can't
Speaker 1: offer any explanation other than, well, you know, prove it.
Speaker 1: And there's so many people now, I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know when you took an interest in sasquatch.
Speaker 1: But my my first taste of anything sasquatch was as
Speaker 1: a kid watching the Leonard Nimoy Show in Search of
Speaker 1: on PBS. Yeah, because there was there was no Internet,
Speaker 1: there was no you know, heck, there was only four
Speaker 1: TV channels, you know, so you didn't you know, so
Speaker 1: your your early age and then you know, I grew
Speaker 1: up summering in you know, northern Minnesota, deep in the woods.
Speaker 1: I mean, her cabin was three miles from the mailbox, so,
Speaker 1: you know, and you looking, you never thought about sasquatch
Speaker 1: back then, never looking back now, gosh, that was prime area. Uh,
Speaker 1: absolutely prime area. I mean you had just bumper crops
Speaker 1: of all sorts of wild berries and the fish and
Speaker 1: all the animals, and you know it's you know, obviously glates,
Speaker 1: the Ojibwa Indians that were up in the area we
Speaker 1: were at, you know, with all their totem poles and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And you know, when you're
Speaker 1: a kid, you look at the totem pole and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's kind of cool, and you never really think about
Speaker 1: it now, you know, looking at Native American art in
Speaker 1: the way they depict you know, the hairy man or
Speaker 1: you know, like, you know, I wish I could go
Speaker 1: back to those totem poles and see if there wasn't
Speaker 1: a hairy man on those.
Speaker 2: Oh well, there's for sure some hairyman totem poles out there.
Speaker 2: I've seen photographs of them, you know, documented through history,
Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, well, you know, I understand. I've
Speaker 2: studied a lot of Native American spirituality and folklore and
Speaker 2: just they're over all ways of life, how they viewed
Speaker 2: things in their different societies. And to me, uh, whenever
Speaker 2: you have depictions of known animals and then you have
Speaker 2: something that resembles a sasquatch or a hairy man right
Speaker 2: alongside with the known animals, it's it's it's not part
Speaker 2: of you know, they're not putting it with the folklore stuff.
Speaker 2: They're putting with the known animals.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, well that's it. That's it. There's not like
Speaker 1: there's not like, okay, that's crazy Bob's cave drawings over there.
Speaker 1: So you know it's and you know, the thing is
Speaker 1: is you see very similar pictures in so many tribes
Speaker 1: and so many Native American nations. It's not just one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in all all the way from you know, Inuit culture
Speaker 1: in Alaska to you know, New Mexico, you know down
Speaker 1: Aaron slaughtera seminole, they've all got there is a hairy
Speaker 1: man in just about all other cultures. Yeah, this can't
Speaker 1: you know, this is not something made up that started
Speaker 1: out in the fifties. Just someone just happened to find
Speaker 1: a footprint.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that the subject of sasquatch does
Speaker 2: meet with so much skepticism.
Speaker 1: I think because you know, when when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, your parents would would instill you, you know, with
Speaker 1: certain with certain values, or tell you certain things. And
Speaker 1: you know, we lived, we lived in a polite society
Speaker 1: back then. I grew up in a really small farm
Speaker 1: town in Illinois. Of my family was very well known.
Speaker 1: My grandfather was on the village board for like four
Speaker 1: five years. He was mayor for like sixteen. He was
Speaker 1: a police commissioner. My dad was on the police department,
Speaker 1: on the volunteer fire department, and on the hardware store.
Speaker 1: One or two people knew us and my oh my
Speaker 1: mom was a teacher, so you know, but when you
Speaker 1: have a lot of people don't want to say things
Speaker 1: because if you say something, people could be like, oh,
Speaker 1: yeah she's nuts or yeah he's a crackpot, and now
Speaker 1: you've lost your, you know, credibility in the community. And
Speaker 1: children that were raised up by those parents tend not
Speaker 1: to speak a lot. I don't tell a lot of
Speaker 1: people about my sasquatch beliefs because a lot of people
Speaker 1: just look at you like, oh, KIDOK, we used to
Speaker 1: think you were semi intelligent. Yeah, and it's a shame,
Speaker 1: but you stand up and say hi, my name. I
Speaker 1: believe in Bigfoot like that, dude's crazy. I honestly, I
Speaker 1: don't know why, because it's you know, there there's you know,
Speaker 1: everyone always says the proof is out there, but there's
Speaker 1: so much evidence. It's just it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: There's not a case of a handful of people are
Speaker 2: claiming that they saw something. It's thousands upon thousands upon thousands,
Speaker 2: with new ones coming out every single year, going back
Speaker 2: as far as we can see recorded history. All over
Speaker 2: the planet, people have been reporting run ins with these things.
Speaker 1: You know, absolutely, I mean, yes, I think that there's
Speaker 1: countries that don't have a sasquatch type creature. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think England has one. But England's small.
Speaker 2: I mean there's some people that would beg to differ, like.
Speaker 1: I say, this is this is just this is just
Speaker 1: my you know I and I see a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and I see a lot of people wanting you know
Speaker 1: that that are from England that said that, you know,
Speaker 1: does anyone know of anything over here? And you know,
Speaker 1: I lived over there for two years in the military.
Speaker 1: In god, it's a beautiful country. But as far as habitat,
Speaker 1: I didn't see a lot. Now that's say that's by
Speaker 1: no means the you know, the no al Arndel.
Speaker 2: But I've heard a couple of things out of Germany,
Speaker 2: and at one point in time, Germany definitely had the habitat, oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and they probably still do. I think it's just
Speaker 1: the fact that, you know, England being an island. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if people. It's just weird how you
Speaker 1: can have that many people and so many of whom
Speaker 1: are are I would call absolutely credible, Oh for sure,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean the the woman that you know
Speaker 1: is on TV time, you know, on the TV as
Speaker 1: many times talking about big footage she is about the tornado. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe not so credible, but I mean people like you know,
Speaker 1: God bless his soul, doctor Meldram, I mean you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think you could find anyone more credible to him.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I don't know. It's a huge thing,
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's becoming more popular. You see, you
Speaker 1: see on everything.
Speaker 2: And I also think that's kind of weird because if
Speaker 2: you look at it from the perspective of the category
Speaker 2: that you would place Bigfoot in typically where it's this cryptid,
Speaker 2: where it's in the same box as chupacabra.
Speaker 1: Right see, you don't see such a pop culture presence
Speaker 1: with all those other cryptids, just Bigfoot for some reason,
Speaker 1: and it seems to be just isolated to North America
Speaker 1: where it's popular like that.
Speaker 2: But it's literally, like you're saying, everywhere, I see Bigfoot
Speaker 2: stickers on cars every time I leave the house.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And you see you know, you see you
Speaker 1: see people just walking down the street with a big
Speaker 1: Foot hat on. Yeah, you know, it's yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's it's hut. It's hugely marketable, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think you do see some of the other cryptic creatures,
Speaker 1: like up in Wisconsin you see the ho dagon, a
Speaker 1: bunch of things. Yeah, up in that, up in that area.
Speaker 1: And I know that Michigan in the lower Wisconsin you
Speaker 1: see dog Man a lot of things.
Speaker 2: And Mothman has definitely gained popularity in the flat Woods.
Speaker 1: Monster yeah, yeah, the local regional creatures or more regional.
Speaker 1: But Bigfoot is like this huge North American phenomenon and
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's so popular and people make
Speaker 1: so much money off of it just to be set
Speaker 1: aside by science.
Speaker 2: So you told me how you initially found out about
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and kind of got interested in as a kid. So, now,
Speaker 2: where did it really go down the rabbit hole for you?
Speaker 1: Back in I want to stay around nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1: I was in high school and we were we were
Speaker 1: in Minnesota for the summer on vacation for a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, and I was on the Cross country team,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to practice. So I ran three miles
Speaker 1: to the mailbox and back every day. And one day,
Speaker 1: as I was running to the mailbox, I got to
Speaker 1: this area that the kids, or I was one of
Speaker 1: the kids whatever, we named the Darkenings. It was an
Speaker 1: area probably about a quarter mile long where the trees
Speaker 1: just kind of grew over both sides of the road
Speaker 1: and it just really got dark. And I was running
Speaker 1: through there and I heard I heard an animal sound.
Speaker 1: I couldn't identify it, but it was, you know, somewhere
Speaker 1: in that cow bellering horse, naming sheet bob, just animalistic sound.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, that's weird, but just kept on going,
Speaker 1: never never thought anything of it, got to the mailbox,
Speaker 1: coming back through again on the way back. On the
Speaker 1: way back through back to the cabin, I heard another
Speaker 1: sound kind of sort of similar, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: there must be whatever it is there and I never
Speaker 1: so I just kept on running. I got probably fifty
Speaker 1: or sixty yards past that and I heard probably one
Speaker 1: of the most disturbing sounds. And now that almost like
Speaker 1: the not a blood curdling scream, but something something wasn't happy,
Speaker 1: and it stopped me dead in my tracks, and I
Speaker 1: turned around and back in these little darkenings, there was
Speaker 1: a tree that something was very angry with this tree
Speaker 1: and it was whipping back and forth, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what in the heck is that? So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: we're out of here. And I don't know what the
Speaker 1: world record was at the time for cross country, but
Speaker 1: I'm sure I broke it between that point and getting
Speaker 1: on with that. And I got back and I was
Speaker 1: freaked out and I was tired. I couldn't breathe, I
Speaker 1: couldn't talk, and of course my mom's freaking out. He's
Speaker 1: gonna die or you know, have a heart attack. Of course,
Speaker 1: my dad's like, I just throw him the lake. And
Speaker 1: I never really told anybody, you know, I said there
Speaker 1: was something shaking a tree. Of course, you know, my
Speaker 1: grandpa offered the great words of recursiment. Well, that was
Speaker 1: probably a bear, And that was my that was my
Speaker 1: awakening that there's something something out there, because whatever I
Speaker 1: heard wasn't a bear. And that's just I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what, there's there's so much I'm like, that's just
Speaker 1: kind of it just kind of peaked my It kind
Speaker 1: of peaked my interest. And then you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of years after that, you graduate, you know, you go
Speaker 1: in the military. Life happens. So I never I never
Speaker 1: really gave it much more of a thought. And then
Speaker 1: sometime around twenty I he's thirteen, twenty fourteen, something like that,
Speaker 1: my sister and her husband bought property up in Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to give the location, because you know,
Speaker 1: you need more people up there, but I'll just say
Speaker 1: the Gold Triangle area. It's it's way north Wisconsin. And
Speaker 1: they started having you know, little things, rocks, tan prints,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, okay, I'm like, this is cool.
Speaker 1: And of course then you start, you start, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's start. And of course, now the internet's
Speaker 1: alive and you can find out anything you want. So
Speaker 1: you get more interested in the TV shows and some
Speaker 1: of you are like, oh my god, this is I
Speaker 1: can't believe people watch this. So I'm like, I need
Speaker 1: to start. I to get up there. So I started
Speaker 1: spending time up there, and I'd actually spend time out
Speaker 1: in the woods and you'd hear things you couldn't identify.
Speaker 1: You start seeing, you know, like tree brakes, and then
Speaker 1: I've seen. I saw some trees that were actually woven
Speaker 1: together that this didn't nothing could fall and this make
Speaker 1: this happen. And in like September of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: I was up there and I was sitting there was
Speaker 1: this huge rock out in the middle of the woods,
Speaker 1: and I that's where i'd sit. I'm good five six
Speaker 1: foot off the ground. I had good visualize there was
Speaker 1: a little clearing, and I'd sit up there and I
Speaker 1: just listen, and coming off from one side, I could
Speaker 1: hear a bear chomping. It's chomping saying hey, I don't
Speaker 1: want you here, time for you to leave. So I'm like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: got off the rock, just walked out of the woods,
Speaker 1: and I'm walking down the road to the my sister's
Speaker 1: cabin and just out of the corner of my eye,
Speaker 1: I see something in the air and it just kind
Speaker 1: of grabbed my attention. It was a rock and it
Speaker 1: landed like ten feet in front of me, and I
Speaker 1: walk up and I pick up the rock, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I can throw a rock. I likes, I don't think
Speaker 1: there's any monkeys up here. So I just picked up
Speaker 1: the rock, walked back into the cabin. Me and my
Speaker 1: sister talked about it, and you know, it was it
Speaker 1: was like really cool and you know, she's a believer,
Speaker 1: so it was it was something cool. And a couple
Speaker 1: of nights later, I was sitting out, I was sitting
Speaker 1: on them, I was sitting on the screen and porch
Speaker 1: just it was dark. It was just taking you know,
Speaker 1: this is the north Woods, that it's best, just taking
Speaker 1: it all in. And my sister went to bed. And
Speaker 1: a while later, I, you know exactly how long I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you, something hit the roof of the cab
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, So grabbed my flashlight, grabbed my
Speaker 1: you know, freedom seed dispenser stepped out of the door
Speaker 1: and as I raised my light up, as soon as
Speaker 1: I got it up, it was it was a very
Speaker 1: bright moonlit night. I could see sasquatch just standing there
Speaker 1: at the end of the driveway, probably twenty five yards away,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god. And then as I
Speaker 1: got the flashlight, just if I got the flashlight up,
Speaker 1: he was it was gone. It was gone. But I
Speaker 1: stepped back in the cabin, I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: did I really see what I just saw? And you're
Speaker 1: trying to process everything going you know, boy, this is
Speaker 1: the moment you've waited for, and then your brain's going,
Speaker 1: but did you really see it? Yeah? And so the
Speaker 1: next morning I got up, you know, looked out. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a hard pack, it'd been dry, so there are
Speaker 1: no footprints. But actually to actually see one standing there
Speaker 1: was just amazing. I mean because instantly you go from
Speaker 1: believer to nowhere you know that they exist, and that
Speaker 1: just that drove me more into want to investigate more
Speaker 1: and spend more time in the woods to not only Okay,
Speaker 1: you know we've checked bigfoot off the list, what else
Speaker 1: is out there?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And that's you know, and I've also had the dog
Speaker 1: man experience the same property, so I think that they're
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: Did your sister ever see one at the cabin?
Speaker 1: No? No, my sister has never seen one, but she's
Speaker 1: but she's had I mean, she's had full size handprints
Speaker 1: on the side of her cabin, like they literally walk
Speaker 1: up right where she's sleep and just smacked the side
Speaker 1: of the cabin.
Speaker 2: Whenever you say you heard something hit the cabin, do
Speaker 2: you mean like something was thrown at the cabin or
Speaker 2: something smacked the cabin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's something. Something is something hit the roof.
Speaker 2: Do you think they were trying to get your attention?
Speaker 1: You know, I truly believe that, Yeah, I do. I
Speaker 1: think I think that. In God, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: No, this is where it gets a little weird. But
Speaker 2: what you're describing as one of those situations where it's
Speaker 2: a logical train of thought would be this thing showed
Speaker 2: itself to you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely. And it's funny because my sister spends a
Speaker 1: lot of time up there alone and because my brother
Speaker 1: in law still works, and she'll have activity, you know
Speaker 1: with rock throwing and hand pounding and nothing, nothing scary,
Speaker 1: you know, nothing's ever. She's never felt she's never felt
Speaker 1: worried at any point. Well when the brother, when her
Speaker 1: husband shows up, nope, there it goes, no activity, none whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Same thing when her son in law shows up, Nope,
Speaker 1: none whatsoever. But that time where I was up there
Speaker 1: by myself, we had activity. So I don't know if
Speaker 1: they just have a sense about people that you know,
Speaker 1: this guy's here and there's no harm. I don't know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how to even explain it. But
Speaker 1: why would why would there be activity only when I'm there.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't have an explanation for it, right, but
Speaker 2: I mean common sense would say, like, okay, if I'm
Speaker 2: messing with someone. We've all done it as kids, and
Speaker 2: you know we still do it strategically in certain areas.
Speaker 2: If you're trying to get someone's attention, you know, you
Speaker 2: hide behind a tree and watch them come out.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You conceal yourself. You don't stand out, you know, horizoned
Speaker 2: by the area and the clearing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't, Yeah, I don't know. It's it's so
Speaker 1: hard to explain, but it's it really, it really transforms
Speaker 1: the way you look at things because it's like there
Speaker 1: was a reason. I mean, the sasquatch could have walked
Speaker 1: down that road, any other cabin on that little road.
Speaker 1: Why did you stop in front of Why did he
Speaker 1: stop in front of my sisters? Yeah, and throw a
Speaker 1: rock roof with you sitting out there, it knew I
Speaker 1: was there, is it throw a rock at me day?
Speaker 1: A couple days before. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Could you gauge anything like size or shape or anything?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, size size It was seven and a half
Speaker 1: eight foot judging by you know, I could see branches
Speaker 1: on the tree and the next day went out and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, separate foot up there, very broad shouldered,
Speaker 1: not nothing, nothing huge. You know, i'd say half again
Speaker 1: as big as I am, which I'm not, I can't
Speaker 1: by any means, very sizeable, very sizable. I'd say three
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty pounds, you know, if I had
Speaker 1: to put it all together with his you know height,
Speaker 1: his size once again, very typical. No neck and instantly gone,
Speaker 1: I mean inst gone.
Speaker 2: And whenever it left, any sound of it hitting the
Speaker 2: brush or anything.
Speaker 1: Nope, nope, nope, but it went. It had I mean
Speaker 1: there's probably eight or ten cabins on that gravel road
Speaker 1: and it's I say, it was super hard packed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he has to. I mean, he could have taken
Speaker 1: four or five steps and been out of my view
Speaker 1: with all the trees. So it didn't you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't have to. It didn't have to run and make
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of noise to get out of my view.
Speaker 1: You and we've had you know, we we've we've had gifting.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll leave apples and so they're out there
Speaker 1: and they you know, I say, it's it's it's weird
Speaker 1: because we we also have a shooting range on the property,
Speaker 1: so it's not like we're in complete silence, right, you know.
Speaker 1: And obviously these creatures they have to know what guns are.
Speaker 1: I mean not you know, he's not gonna go, oh
Speaker 1: it's nice for me, today's.
Speaker 2: Seventy, you know, but they've definitely seen what they do exactly.
Speaker 1: They see hunters go in the woods and they see
Speaker 1: them take deer and stuff out. So you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we have, we have a shooting range right there, right
Speaker 1: there at the property, but doesn't does not seem to
Speaker 1: affect the activity at all.
Speaker 2: Do things on the property ever go missing?
Speaker 1: Not did I know of, Not that I know of.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's, it's it's it's a few acres a
Speaker 1: bit is just it's thick, heavy, dense woods and then
Speaker 1: you know by the lake, by the lake, it's cleared out.
Speaker 1: But to my knowledge, nothing's nothing's ever gone missing.
Speaker 2: When you say gifting, do you mean items exchanged or
Speaker 2: just things taken?
Speaker 1: Oh? Just just just items. Just you know, hey, let's
Speaker 1: put a let's put a couple of apples here, and yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried to put them where it could only be
Speaker 1: you know that a bear, I mean, yeah, there's blackberries,
Speaker 1: could climb a tree and grab it. So I can't
Speaker 1: say it was, you know, but we put fruit out
Speaker 1: and it's disappeared. Yeah, does that mean it was could
Speaker 1: have been a raccoon, could have been a bear, you know,
Speaker 1: but no, no trinket type type of thing.
Speaker 2: And how long has this stuff been going on?
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, they're teen years, wow, they said. And when
Speaker 1: I say they bought it, they bought it in like
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: And is it year round or just certain times of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, it's not a year round cabin.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So they they they close it up. They closed it
Speaker 1: up in late fall and then opened it, you know,
Speaker 1: open it back up in the spring. But they did
Speaker 1: have and this is now I wasn't there. It was
Speaker 1: my sister and my daughter. They had a particularly heavy
Speaker 1: snowfall and they were up. They went up to see
Speaker 1: my sister's daughter that lives in you know, middle Wisconsin
Speaker 1: at the time, and I guess one of the neighbors
Speaker 1: on the lake said, hey, you probably ought to clear
Speaker 1: your roof because there was that much snow on it.
Speaker 1: So they took the trip up to clear the roof
Speaker 1: of snow, and my sister and my daughter were just
Speaker 1: kind of walking up a path that had been you know,
Speaker 1: cars and stumbobills in and out, just to you know, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go take a walk. And they came across a
Speaker 1: pair of footprints, like big sasquatch sized footprints, just two
Speaker 1: of them side by side, and that was it. Nothing
Speaker 1: else for any distance, I mean, nothing within twenty or
Speaker 1: thirty feet, and they couldn't find any others. And it
Speaker 1: was directly underneath the tree, like one dropped out of
Speaker 1: the tree to do whatever it needed to do and
Speaker 1: then back up the tree and on into wherever. Because
Speaker 1: I say, it's very heavy, you know, it's very heavy timber.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people speculate that they do travel
Speaker 1: in trees. I don't know. I don't see how something
Speaker 1: that could weigh up to their funnels travels and trees
Speaker 1: a lot. But once again, just another mystery.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean there's been a few reports, you know,
Speaker 2: sprinkled here and there of people witnessing them in trees
Speaker 2: or dropping out of trees. But I'm kind of like you,
Speaker 2: you know, like we sit here when we talk about
Speaker 2: how big and massive and muscular they are, and I
Speaker 2: mean I wouldn't rely on going tree to tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's unless unless they somehow grasp the trunk and
Speaker 1: only the trunk. I don't know, like say, it's one
Speaker 1: of those you know, I'm not gonna sit here and go. Oh.
Speaker 1: They can't do that because well we don't really know
Speaker 1: all that much about them.
Speaker 2: Right, So, like you said, no aggressive behavior, none.
Speaker 1: The only aggressive behavior I've ever had in the woods
Speaker 1: up there has been the bear. The bear shops its
Speaker 1: little guns. It's like, okay, time to go, and that's it.
Speaker 1: I never go into the woods unarmed. I don't because
Speaker 1: you know, you're the bottom of the food chain out there.
Speaker 1: But I don't arm myself because of a sasquatch. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that they are a threatned anyway. I
Speaker 1: don't think sasquatches are dangerous.
Speaker 2: Now, you mentioned that you've also had a dog man
Speaker 2: experience at this location.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's probably the creepiest or that's probably the most
Speaker 1: freaked out thing I've ever experienced.
Speaker 2: Before or after the bigfoot siding.
Speaker 1: This was before okay, before the bigfoot sighting. We were
Speaker 1: up there to open the cabin and it was cold,
Speaker 1: I mean it was the well was frozen cold. There's
Speaker 1: still twelve inches of ice. I'm gonna bit cold. Well,
Speaker 1: not twelve, probably about six inches of ice either way,
Speaker 1: still extremely cold. So we had enough water so to
Speaker 1: get water until we get the pump or get the
Speaker 1: well unfrozen. We had the holes in the ice, so
Speaker 1: we'd bring buckets in for you know, the bathroom and
Speaker 1: for cooking and whatnot like that. But it was it
Speaker 1: was starting to get dark, and I'm like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go, you know, hit the outdoor bathroom because why
Speaker 1: flush water when you don't need to. And I'm out
Speaker 1: there and facing the lake and on the other side
Speaker 1: of the lake, I see I'm like, it looks like
Speaker 1: a man. See a man walking across the lake. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: someone else is up here. That's cool, get back inside
Speaker 1: and don't think anything of it. And I just say, hey,
Speaker 1: who else is up here? And she's like, well, what
Speaker 1: do you mean? I said, I just saw a guy
Speaker 1: walking across the lake. There's nobody up here. She says,
Speaker 1: there's no permanent residence. I'm like, well, I just saw
Speaker 1: a guy walk past the lake, you know, walk across
Speaker 1: the lake. And she says, where at I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I could see the flagpole over there. She goes, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: never think of anything of it. So we finally get the
Speaker 1: well unthowed the next day or the day after, and
Speaker 1: my brother in law and my sister are like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go look for the let's go, let's go find
Speaker 1: the footprints, you know, let's see where this guy came
Speaker 1: from or where he went to. I'm like, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So we head off across the lake and we're probably
Speaker 1: one hundred yards out from the shoreline, and I start
Speaker 1: to see these little bitty footprints and I'm talking little
Speaker 1: bitty like human sized prince that are maybe four inches long,
Speaker 1: and you can see foot and you can see five
Speaker 1: little toasts, and I'm like, okay, it's seven degrees. Who
Speaker 1: is out here with a child barefoot? And there's but
Speaker 1: there's no other tracks. There are no other prints except these.
Speaker 1: And I got to look and and you know, you
Speaker 1: see a footprint, you obviously looked for the next one.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I couldn't find a footprint. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's a weird anomaly. You know, something something happened and
Speaker 1: it just kind of made a human footprint. That's cool,
Speaker 1: just didn't think anything of it. About ten yards further,
Speaker 1: I see another one, and then I found another one,
Speaker 1: and there was a trail of these tiny footprints crossing
Speaker 1: the lake. What freaked me out was they were about
Speaker 1: forty eight inches apart.
Speaker 2: Jeez.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So we took pictures, and the pictures are
Speaker 1: it's really hard to tell. I mean, it's not you know,
Speaker 1: these princes were a little bit old and they were degraded.
Speaker 1: But so we followed these prints all the way across
Speaker 1: the lake to where I saw this guy walking across
Speaker 1: the lake and there were no other footprints, so the
Speaker 1: guy I saw was not wearing shoes. All I saw
Speaker 1: was more these like four inch little footprints walking across
Speaker 1: the lake. And judging by the flagpole that was there,
Speaker 1: I'd say this guy was six six and a half
Speaker 1: feet tall, but with orange little feet imagines. It just
Speaker 1: kind of blowing my mind, and I'm thinking, well, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe the only the only explanation I could come up
Speaker 1: with was a dog man, because it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't, but it would make And then I got
Speaker 1: to think, and it would make sense that maybe a
Speaker 1: dog man has human type feet because k nine feet
Speaker 1: aren't built to be walking upright, So I say, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that's that's all it could be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't like you say it's it's
Speaker 1: it's it's still kind of raises hair on my neck
Speaker 1: and kind of freaks me out because I know what
Speaker 1: I saw and it it walked. It walked just like
Speaker 1: a man, you know, And I didn't see I didn't
Speaker 1: see a snout, but I'm looking three hundred yards away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if it's you know, if its head was, you know,
Speaker 1: paying attention to something off from the woodline, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have I mean it it was. I mean, it walked,
Speaker 1: It walked exactly like a man, you know. I say
Speaker 1: it was not. It was not a sasquatch. And what
Speaker 1: kind of creature would have a baby out there without
Speaker 1: mama out there? As I posted this experience and people
Speaker 1: are like, well, it's a bear, and you don't know
Speaker 1: what bear tracks look like? Exactly what you know? Because
Speaker 1: and yet and two bears can can bear tracks look
Speaker 1: like human feet? Absolutely? Yes, I know they can. They
Speaker 1: get mistaken for bigfoot tracks all the time. However, what
Speaker 1: it's still seven degrees out number one baby bears probably
Speaker 1: still in hibernation with mama, and if baby bear came out,
Speaker 1: mama would be out, so her prince would be there.
Speaker 2: How many prints were there? Would you guess?
Speaker 1: This line of prints traveled all the way across the
Speaker 1: lake in two different directions. Wow, And we found we
Speaker 1: found one like little kill site where it was just
Speaker 1: a bunch of blood and feathers, huh, which you know
Speaker 1: could have been a bob. I mean it could have
Speaker 1: been you know, you know, unknown nor nameless number of
Speaker 1: creatures being there, so it's you know, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it was a dog man killed. But these these footprints
Speaker 1: went all the way across the lake in two directions.
Speaker 1: Craziest thing I've ever seen. And I've got pictures of
Speaker 1: the prince. They don't they're really hard to see. But
Speaker 1: I've also got pictures of my brother in law laying down,
Speaker 1: stretching out on how things are apart, and he's a
Speaker 1: six foot man.
Speaker 2: My first thought is about the bear tracks. Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: double impression. Bear tracks can look relatively human shaped if
Speaker 2: you don't know what you're looking at. But I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not going to happen that often. It's not going
Speaker 2: to be the whole trackway.
Speaker 1: Well in a double and a double imprint. It's only
Speaker 1: four inches long, yeah, and forty eight inches apart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me and standing six six and a half feet tall.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm at a loss. I'm at a complete loss.
Speaker 2: So nothing upright, you know, there's just plain and simple
Speaker 2: nothing upright should be out there. It would have to be,
Speaker 2: you know, by logic standpoints. If we're ruling out bigfoot,
Speaker 2: dog man things like that. It's a human because you
Speaker 2: saw it walking. It looked like a man, but it's
Speaker 2: only got four inch long feet and it's walking on
Speaker 2: a frozen lake at the very most single digit temperatures, barefoot.
Speaker 1: Right with a stride that you know, Shaquille O'Neal uses it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would have been sprinting at the very least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, it's it's it's the weirdest thing. And
Speaker 1: once I once I posted it, and I posted pictures
Speaker 1: and everything, I'm like, you know what, I will never
Speaker 1: post another thing. I'm like, I'm trying to be sincere.
Speaker 1: And just the people, i mean, god, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're talking about. You know, Hey,
Speaker 1: nice fake job.
Speaker 2: So they thought you hoped the tracks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like I went out there and you know, took me, however,
Speaker 1: many days to make tiny human footprint impressions, you know,
Speaker 1: for five hundred yards. Yeah, that's my gig with And
Speaker 1: the thing is there's no other footprints around them, so
Speaker 1: it's not like mine's right next to it, you know.
Speaker 1: But but people like, oh, you don't know what you're
Speaker 1: talking about? This is that the other it's you know, hey,
Speaker 1: why don't you you know, quit being a troll. We're
Speaker 1: trying to be serious here. I'm like, okay, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's enough for you people. I will try to find
Speaker 1: pages and you know that I can talk about and
Speaker 1: post on without people being because it then I get frustrated, like,
Speaker 1: well you pretty much just called me oliris and now
Speaker 1: you flipped you know, you flipped these switches on.
Speaker 2: Did you see any potential claw marks on the toes
Speaker 2: or anything?
Speaker 1: No? No, Like I say, these were these were degraded.
Speaker 1: They really were. They were even the fresh tracks for
Speaker 1: two days. I mean it's it was windy, it was cold,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's nothing blocking the wind across this lake,
Speaker 1: so things degrade pretty quickly. And yeah, I guess say
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no, there's there, there was no there
Speaker 1: was no claw marks. I don't yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's that's what freaked me out the most.
Speaker 2: Could you determine like where they came from or where
Speaker 2: they went to specifically, did they like come out of
Speaker 2: the woods and go back into the woods or what?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they came out of They came out of
Speaker 1: a point on the lake, walked across in front of
Speaker 1: the few cabins, and then where I saw it, and
Speaker 1: went straight off the lake. But there was another trail
Speaker 1: that came like a center of that pathway that came
Speaker 1: off our side of the lake, about two cabins down
Speaker 1: from us, where it came off the lake and went
Speaker 1: straight up their driveway and then off into the woods.
Speaker 1: But no track off the lake.
Speaker 2: I have no idea on that one. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm arriving at the same point as you did, and
Speaker 2: you witnessed it.
Speaker 1: I guess, or the strangest or of the most crazy
Speaker 1: point of it is the only logical explanation I could
Speaker 1: come up with is a dog man ninety percent of
Speaker 1: the people, which he said, diber, do you know what
Speaker 1: a dog man is like? Huh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know enough about dog man tracks specifically,
Speaker 2: but I mean, like we always associate, you know, things
Speaker 2: in terms of foot size. Something that has a foot
Speaker 2: that small is going to be a small creature unless
Speaker 2: it has a different way of walking than we do.
Speaker 2: But we're the only things that are supposed to be
Speaker 2: walking up right.
Speaker 1: If you took a dog and its paw was four
Speaker 1: four and a half inches long.
Speaker 2: It's a big dog.
Speaker 1: Big dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, like I said, say, I I don't know, I
Speaker 1: have I have no explanation. The only thing I can
Speaker 1: do is speculate. But what I saw walking across the
Speaker 1: lake that afternoon looked exactly like a guy walking across
Speaker 1: the lake, and there were zero tracks except these little
Speaker 1: people foliotprints.
Speaker 2: Weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I say, it's it's not a story I often tell.
Speaker 2: Have you heard, like any dog man stories from the area.
Speaker 1: There? There are some reports, but once again, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think people report a lot of stuff because
Speaker 1: a lot of it could be you know, lower from
Speaker 1: the area, from native tribes. So why would you report
Speaker 1: you know, is already there. Yeah, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: goes my mind, you know it, I mean it only
Speaker 1: makes me want to go out and be in the woods.
Speaker 2: More So, are you actively like investigating and researching this
Speaker 2: stuff now?
Speaker 1: As much as I can. We've hit you know, we've
Speaker 1: hit summertime in Florida, So actually being outside is walking
Speaker 1: like walking through a bowl of soup. Right, Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: be I'll be back in the woods down here when
Speaker 1: it you know, when the temperature becomes less than the
Speaker 1: temperature of the sun. We're going to travel some more.
Speaker 1: We were up in Tennessee, you know, earlier this spring
Speaker 1: and had an amazing time. Some great some great evidence,
Speaker 1: some good some good footprints, some good vocalizations, good thermal pictures,
Speaker 1: you know, the more. And it's like every time you
Speaker 1: see something more, they want to go more.
Speaker 2: So what would you say your goal is at this point?
Speaker 2: Are you trying to have another siding? Are you trying
Speaker 2: to get something on video?
Speaker 1: I am. I am going to purchase some GoPros and
Speaker 1: actually when I go out, I am going to vidiot
Speaker 1: start start making videos. I'm not looking to I'm not
Speaker 1: looking to do anything other than share my experiences in
Speaker 1: the woods. If I see something interesting, everyone's going to
Speaker 1: see it. I don't plan on editing anything or trying
Speaker 1: to you know, monetize or I want to get good,
Speaker 1: honest video out there. And if if we catch something,
Speaker 1: we do. If we don't, well, you know, sorry if
Speaker 1: I wasted forty five minutes here or till you know,
Speaker 1: but I'm not you know, I'm certainly not going to
Speaker 1: go walk up to a stand of trees and go,
Speaker 1: I think there's a squatch in these woods, because you know,
Speaker 1: I just I want to be real about it, use
Speaker 1: my own approach. And I've met some really great people
Speaker 1: doing this, and I look forward to meeting more good people.
Speaker 1: My wife is on board with this one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So this is Oh well that helps, Oh absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: actually there. Actually the first I mean really the second day,
Speaker 1: we were out in the woods in Tennessee. Now, I
Speaker 1: have never found a sashquatch footprint ever, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like one of my goals. You want to you know,
Speaker 1: you see this, see that whatever. And we're like our
Speaker 1: second day out, she goes, hey, you should take a
Speaker 1: look at this. She goes, check out, it's a print
Speaker 1: right there. I've been waiting years to find this. And
Speaker 1: she just nonchantly, hey, chok you soup. Yeah, like you
Speaker 1: luck on you so it was.
Speaker 2: You might want to let her take the lead.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, yeah, we'll just drat the camera to her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, strap the GoPro on her forehead and send her
Speaker 2: down the trail.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I I just you know, I want
Speaker 1: to get I want to get you know what, good honest,
Speaker 1: this is this is my videos, this is what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Not that there aren't. I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people out there doing great things. Great things. I mean
Speaker 1: shout out to Helbn Holler, Joe and Jesse Doyle. Yo
Speaker 1: and Jesse are phenomenal. You know. We got to meet
Speaker 1: them this year and Jesse was like, oh whoa, finally
Speaker 1: finally a woman is shorter than me. But yeah, no, phenomenal,
Speaker 1: phenomenal people. And there were some other people there, guys
Speaker 1: that there, I think from Iowa that were just top notch.
Speaker 1: It was great and I just want to keep it going,
Speaker 1: try to do my best to put stuff out there.
Speaker 1: And when I you know, if I do get a
Speaker 1: channel together, I will let you know and if people
Speaker 1: want to watch it, don't you know. But no, this
Speaker 1: is I love it. You know, It's just it's become
Speaker 1: a passion of mine. And you know, I'm getting to
Speaker 1: the point where I'm going to do that retire thing,
Speaker 1: and yeah, then I think it's on like Donkey Kong
Speaker 1: and try to travel around and see some more of
Speaker 1: this awesome country and do some great investigations and try
Speaker 1: to meet more great people.
Speaker 2: If you've had a sighting of sasquatch or dog man
Speaker 2: or something else you can't explain, you'd like to share
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