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Speaker 1: Joel Corey is the CBS Sports NFL contracts and salary

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cap experts. You can find him on Twitter at Corey Joel.

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That is Coe r r Y Joel. Appreciate the time

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as always, long time no talk. Yeah, thanks for having

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me back, all right, we do appreciate it, all right,

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So let's go ahead and get right into it. Well,

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actually I was talking with my coost before this, like

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we were trying to figure out Okay, so can you explain?

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Speaker 2: Both CJ.

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Speaker 1: Stroud and Will Anderson are up for a fifth year option.

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So the Texans I believe, have until May second, and

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then after that they it's just a no go that

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the both of those guys could refree agents, which is

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they're probably not gonna let happen of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, the rookie contracts are for four years. First

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round picks have a fifth year option after the third season.

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You have up until May second to go yes or

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no for the fifth year option. The no brainer is

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Will Anderson, they will pick up the fifth year option.

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Speaker 2: CJ. Stroud.

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Speaker 3: I know the last two games were horrendous, but his

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body of work over the three years and the price

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of the fifth year option suggests they will pick that up,

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so they will not be free agents after the twenty

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twenty sixth season if they both end up continuing to

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play under the rookie deals.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's start with Will Anderson, then we'll get

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to the fun one. With CJ. Stroud. It seems pretty obvious.

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I mean, first team All Pro, twelve sacks career high.

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Not only that the opposite of CJ. Stroud, and that

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Stroud wasn't very good in the playoffs. Will Anderson was

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completely dominant in the playoffs. So we expect some sort

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of mega deal to be happening. And I had your

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article that I was reading as I said, you expect

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him to maybe kind of in a way reset the

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market as far as edge rushers, and how hard are

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the Texans going to push for trying to get something

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done before that May second deadline.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's a guy that should be top priority. Last

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year with Derek Stingley Junior, they got that thing done

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so early it was in March.

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Speaker 2: They hadn't even exercised the fifth year option.

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Speaker 3: So if i'm Will Anderson, I'm like, hey, this is

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the president you set with all Pro defensive players who

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are first team All pros in their third year. I

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want the same type of treatment in terms of timing

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and what you did retive to the marketplace. Corners for Stingley, obviously,

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edge rushers for Anderson with me.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, he's gonna try.

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Speaker 3: To reset the non quarterback market. I expect there to

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be some pushback from the Texans given how much that

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are escalated last year. This time last year, the highest

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paid edge rusher was Nick Bosa at thirty four million

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per year. Now it's Michael Parsons at forty six and

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a half million per year. That's almost the thirty seven

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percent increase. That's practically unheard of, so they may want

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to slot him in kind of like the Texans did

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not the Texans. The Lions did with Aiden Hutchinson, who

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came in at forty five million per year, did not

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top Micah Parsons, and that deal was done in the

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middle of the twenty twenty five season.

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Speaker 4: Do you kind of look at this Joel with it

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and they have Daniel Hunter still very much in the

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middle of his prime and playing fantastic for him, but

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obviously he's had a high dollar value, but this will

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be basically the last year of his deano. They added

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a couple of void years, But uh, do you kind

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of look at it as a capologist says, Okay, the

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Will Anderson big money starts up as soon as the

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Daniel Hunter money comes off the books.

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Speaker 2: Kind of yeah, because where.

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Speaker 3: You're going to structure it that the cap number is

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not going to take a huge jump for a couple

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of years. But Hunter's interesting that she brought him up.

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He's gonna be thirty two during the middle of the

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next season. He's not showing any slime signs of slow

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and down. If you let him play out this year's deal,

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then he's walking. Because to franchise him in twenty twenty seven,

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it's going to be a little over thirty seven and

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a half million dollars and that won't happen.

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Speaker 1: That kind of drives our point home about how I

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mean this. You don't want to say they use the

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word waste, but it was an elite all time Texans defense,

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and you just couldn't get anything out of the offense.

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And then that leads us to CJ. Stroud. Of course,

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the headliner. The offensive line was bad, the running game

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was bad. You had Nico Collins hurt in that Patriots game.

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As well, so it wasn't all CJ. Stroud, But when

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you turn the ball over four times in the first

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half before we get cut, kind out of the ends

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and outs. As far as options of contract, where do

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you think the Texans weigh that Joel? As far as

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the body of work to where he by many metric

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qbr A quarterback rating, touchdown percentage, interception percentage. In the

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regular season, he had a bit of a bounce back

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season from a sophomore slump, but then those playoffs happened.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, part of the problem is he had his best

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year when he was a rookie and you were thinking

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he's on an upward trajectory and he hasn't had a

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year like his rookie year since. And then you compound

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the problem by having back to back two of the

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worst playoff games I've seen for a quarterback in recent history.

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week of the regular season last year and the playoff

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game against the Rams last year, which he's definitely bounced

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back from. But yeah, you don't want to be going

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into the offseason potentially trying to get a new contract

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off of that ending.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what are the options in for the Texas

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right now, as far as the fifth year option, they

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can do that. Do you think there is any possibility

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they do some sort of extension where he's not getting

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paid fifty sixty million dollars a year. David Mulligeta is

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his agent, and we know he's a guy that's been

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very good at getting quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Paid well who basically whatever position he has generally, But

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good luck with that because mullagedto resented de Shaun Watson,

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who's the last time in Texas did a big quarterback deal.

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Thirty nine million per year at the time made Watson

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the second highest paid player in the NFL. Granted, Watson

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was coming off a much better year twenty nineteen as

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a third year player than Watson is now, but nonetheless,

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Mullagetta is thinking, hey, let's look at the totality the circumstances,

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not be prisoners of the moment, have recency bias. For

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my three years body of work is better than Trevor

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Lawrence is three years when they got paid.

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Speaker 2: This is what Mullagata will probably be thinking.

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Speaker 3: You're saying, if they do talk contract extension and Trevor

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Lawrence after a third year where the Jaguars imploded down

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the stretch, missed the playoffs, he didn't play at the

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same level he did in the second year. He made

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him in a tie Joe Burrow as the highest paid

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player five million per year. Then shortly thereafter Dave Mullaghetta

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took Jordan Love, who had one good second half of

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the season his first year as a starter, played well

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in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Ties those two guys at fifty.

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Speaker 3: Five million per year before Dak Prescott tops everybody.

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Speaker 2: So he's not gonna be looking at anything besides one

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of these top of the market deals is.

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Speaker 4: The key, Joel with a CJ. Stroude, as young as

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he is, still like if we're talking in long term

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contract extension, is the key higher aav at like a

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four year deal as opposed to a five or six

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year deal like hot. I'm just kind of looking at

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some of the current contracts out there, and Jordan Love

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at twenty five, like you just mentioned, fifty five million year,

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but four years, I wonder you know, it feels like

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more teams are leaning towards that four year deal as

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opposed to those five or six year deals.

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Speaker 3: Well, typically teams won a lot up their best players

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for as long as possible, and Love was a changing

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of the guard because you had when Trevor Lawrence did

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his deal, you were coming off a bunch of five

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year deals. Jalen Hurts five year extension, Lamar Jackson five

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year deal as a franchise player.

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Speaker 2: Then you had Joe Burrow Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 3: Got their deals done after the third or both five

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year extensions, So that environment was five years. So if

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Trevor Lawrence wanted a four, all the data pointed to

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a five, then you had Tua get a four year deal.

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Jared Goff get a four year deal, which allowed Jordan

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Speaker 2: So this is a case.

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Speaker 3: If I'm the Texans, I would kind of be looking

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at it from the standpoint that, yeah, if we wait

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and CJ. Stroud has a career year, yeah we're gonna

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pay more. But Kyler Murray, being my cautionary tale, his

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agent pushed to get a deal after three years, and

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he's probably not gonna be with the Cardinals next year.

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Speaker 2: The Rams had.

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Speaker 3: Buyer's remorse with Jared Goff did his after three years,

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and he took him to a Super Bowl. At least

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got them He was the quarterback when they were in

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a Super Bowl and Philly cut bait with Carson Wentz

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pretty quickly.

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Speaker 2: After doing his Roocky contract after three years.

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Speaker 3: So because of how things have gone south, sometimes I

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might be inclined to wait Anderson's my top priority.

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Speaker 2: If after pay.

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Speaker 3: More in the long run to be sure that CJ

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is the guy, then I would have more peace of

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Speaker 4: Talking with Joel Corey on one of the best when

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it comes to talking NFL contracts and salary cap been

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doing a long time, of course, CBS. It is interesting though, Joel,

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the one of the big copics that came up here

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in Houston after Stroud's less than stellar postseason is okay,

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should should we pivot? And you look at what a

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Sam Darnold's doing right now. Obviously he was a hired

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assassin with Minnesota last year was very good, and now

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he takes the Seahawks to the super Bowl. It is

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interesting that concept of when you have your quarterback, you

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feel like, oh, maybe we gotta pay this guy just

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to keep him because we don't like the alternative. But

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to your point, Kyler Murray, the cautionary tale, I mean,

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in Miami. You look at that situation, it just becomes Man,

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it feels like the norm now is even if you're

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questions about this guy, you pay him because you just

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don't know. It's better than the alternative, which is the unknown.

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Speaker 2: You get to nail on the head.

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Speaker 3: Fear of the unknown has been driving a lot of

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quarterback decisions. And I'll use one going back a few

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years at the time, eighteen million per year.

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not, it was a lot full quarterback.

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Speaker 3: I forget exactly what year it was, but Jake Cutler

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got an extension. Yeah, and it's like, you really want

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to give Jake Cutler that type of money, and that's

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what happened. So yeah, that factors in the equation.

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Speaker 2: But CJ.

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Speaker 3: Stroud's really young, so there's nothing that says you have

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to do a quarterback extension at the earliest possible instance.

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Speaker 2: You can wait.

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson ended up being the rare quarterback who plays

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through the fifth year option. Andrew Luck back when he

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was considered a franchise quarterback didn't get a deal which

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made the highest paid player until going into the fifth

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year option. So you don't have to do the deal today.

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You can exercise some caution. Let's say Stroud is starting

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Speaker 2: In the year. You may revisit it then if you

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Speaker 3: It right now, if the numbers of the David that

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Speaker 1: You know, we've also seen a situation where guys have

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gotten let go. You mentioned Sam Darnold, I mean, Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 2: For did like he was a throw in. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. So it's it's not like they thought

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up in that situation where you cut bait with CJ.

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Stroud and he thrives somewhere else, but also at the

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time when those guys came, they weren't making sixty million dollars,

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so it kind of makes it easier to build around

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that guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you also have to think of the fact

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that the cap has gone up since those guys signed,

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so relative to cap inflation, I know the quarterback market

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has gone haywire, but still sometimes that gets lost in

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the equation.

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Speaker 2: You have the fifth year option. It's going to be.

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Speaker 3: Extremely reasonable costs for a starting quarterback.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be.

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Speaker 3: An elevated amount because that Pro Bowl from Stroud's rookie

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year doesn't factor into increasing the costs.

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Speaker 2: He was not an original ballot Pro Bowler.

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Speaker 3: So it's gonna be the basically the average of a

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third through twenty of highest paid quarterbacks. And I'm simplifying

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it a bit for the option cost and depending and

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it's gonna be the exact number depends on where the

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cap is set, because it's express the percentage of the cap.

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But it's gonna be roughly twenty five to twenty six

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million for Stroud.

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Speaker 2: That's a reasonable number for a quarterback. Is a salary,

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all right.

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Speaker 1: He is Joel Corey a great expert on NFL contracts

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and the salary cap for CBS Sports. Joel, thanks for

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the time. It's been too long. I'm sure we'll bother

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you pretty soon with the CJ. Strouds situation as it

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continues to develop it.

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Speaker 2: And just go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Let the folks know what you got going on the

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website and where they can find your stuff.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you can find it at cbssports dot com. I've

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got an article out right now on fifteen notable veterans

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who could either be traded or released. And then I

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do an annual contract awards and that will come out tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks a lot, Joel, appreciate the time. We'll

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talk you down the road, all right.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, guys,