WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.559 --> 00:00:07.679 Hey, folks, welcome back to another episode of the Ruby 2 00:00:07.759 --> 00:00:11.199 Rogues podcast. This week, I'm your host, Charles max Wood, 3 00:00:11.359 --> 00:00:14.480 and yeah, I've been doing a few of these solo episodes. 4 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:19.559 I've started inviting guests again. I've just got crazy and so, yeah, 5 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:23.239 the recordings slowed down and then I wasn't inviting people 6 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:26.600 on and so we just haven't had guests for a 7 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:29.199 little bit. But yeah, I talked to Obi Fernandez the 8 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.560 other day. Hopefully he's going to show up here soon. 9 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:35.439 I've got a number of other people that I've reached 10 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:38.640 out to and invited onto the show, and so yeah, 11 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.320 we should start seeing those start to get lined up. 12 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:44.560 I do not know what that looks like with the 13 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:46.840 holidays and stuff, so we're just gonna have to play 14 00:00:46.880 --> 00:00:50.640 that by ear see you might get some more solo 15 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:54.119 kind of stuff for me. But in the meantime, I'm 16 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:55.679 going to jump in and I'm going to talk about 17 00:00:55.719 --> 00:01:00.520 the DHH keynote from Rails World. This year, the Rails 18 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.000 World was held in Amsterdam again. I went when they 19 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:08.000 held it in twenty twenty three and then last year 20 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:11.079 was in Toronto. Next year it's going to be in Austin. 21 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:11.799 I think. 22 00:01:13.239 --> 00:01:17.120 Anyway, it was It's always interesting to see what is 23 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:20.239 coming down the pipe for rails and how that's going 24 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:23.239 to affect those of us who work on Ruby on 25 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.400 Rail's apps. But yeah, there was a lot of stuff 26 00:01:26.439 --> 00:01:29.400 that he went through and I kind of want to 27 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:31.879 just dive in and talk through some of it. 28 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:33.799 So the first thing that he talked. 29 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:35.560 About, and I think this is interesting and it's something 30 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:38.560 that I'm going to be getting into in a little 31 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:41.959 more depth, I guess on one of the other shows 32 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:45.319 that I'm starting up called Single Player SaaS, and I've 33 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:47.719 also been talking to some folks and I'm working on 34 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.640 pulling together a SAS on Rails event. So SaaS is 35 00:01:51.719 --> 00:01:53.959 software as a service and I get that a lot 36 00:01:53.959 --> 00:02:00.680 of people are really excited and bullish on AI, and 37 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:03.280 I think there's some blend, right because you can offer 38 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:06.280 a software as a service that's an AI based service, 39 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:08.280 and I'm building something around that. 40 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:12.639 But yeah, at the end of the day, what I'm. 41 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.319 Really looking to do is just talk through some of 42 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:17.479 the things that were covered in his keynote. And it 43 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:19.879 was funny because he starts out and he has kind 44 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:23.080 of this you know, they're the little dogs from these memes, right, 45 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:25.159 So you got this big dog and he's like, well, 46 00:02:25.520 --> 00:02:27.800 you know, back in the day, I would deploy my 47 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:32.280 PHP application just by pushing new files up over FTP. Boy, 48 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.879 that brings back memories. It was also kind of the 49 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:39.479 and in some ways it still is. The people still 50 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:43.199 use FTP to push updates to WordPress because I remember 51 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:45.560 graduating from not PHP per se. 52 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:48.000 I did do some PHP on. 53 00:02:47.919 --> 00:02:50.000 Some personal projects when I was in college, so that 54 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.919 would have been early two thousands and then and yeah, 55 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:54.719 I mean that was your deployment, right, You just put 56 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:57.520 it on the server. You know, if push really came 57 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.319 to shove, then you would sshn and you would tell 58 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:04.159 Apache there was new stuff or you know, restart it. 59 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:06.759 But but that was it, right, I mean that that 60 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:09.919 was deployment. And so you'd run it locally, you'd make 61 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:13.439 sure it worked, and then you'd push it up, you know. 62 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.120 And now he's saying, yeah, now it has to go 63 00:03:15.159 --> 00:03:18.240 through your whole CICD pipeline, and then it has to 64 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:20.759 go and it has to you know, jump through all 65 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:24.919 these hoops with your Kubernetes or aws or Heroku or 66 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:29.400 blah blah blah blah, and that's all kind of gross 67 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:32.439 and and then you know, fifteen minutes later it may 68 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:34.520 or may not deploy, depending on what's going on. 69 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:37.719 And you've got all of this extra stuff going on. 70 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:39.919 And Yeah, when he was talking about it was funny 71 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:41.199 because I was sitting there. 72 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:42.840 He didn't go so much into Kamal. 73 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:44.719 He talked a little bit about Kamal proxy, and I'll 74 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.120 get to that a little bit later in the episode. 75 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:49.520 But I've been to playing with Kamal for the last 76 00:03:49.639 --> 00:03:52.840 while and I've had to do some I wouldn't say 77 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:57.360 it's extensive work on Kamal, but I've had to add 78 00:03:57.400 --> 00:04:00.120 some pre deployed scripts and stuff to get it to 79 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:02.560 do what I want. And basically what I've been doing 80 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:05.680 so I have a multi tenant app and on the tendency, 81 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:10.560 you can add a subdomain or a domain like a 82 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:12.360 full domain, a top level domain. 83 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:14.080 And when you do. 84 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:17.720 That, there's not a good way to get that into 85 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.399 your configuration for Camal, because that's all in your deploy 86 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:24.240 dot Yamal file. And I'm working on a better way 87 00:04:24.279 --> 00:04:26.040 to do it than what I'm doing. But right now, 88 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:28.160 what it does is it actually hits an endpoint on 89 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:32.240 the server and it sends It just sends up an 90 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:34.839 off key and then it gets the list of all 91 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:37.360 the domains and subdomains and it sticks them into that 92 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:40.240 deploy file and then it deploys them. 93 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:41.920 And that works pretty good. 94 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.720 Does modify my deploy dot YAML every time I deploy 95 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:51.040 if there are new tenants or new domains. But I'm 96 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:55.439 not really marketing it, so it's it's not a routine thing. 97 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:58.120 But I keep thinking that there's got to be a 98 00:04:58.120 --> 00:05:01.560 better way. And what I'm probably looking at, just on 99 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:06.000 a side note, is Nate Berkopac, who he does like 100 00:05:06.079 --> 00:05:08.040 scaling rails and stuff like that. He's got a book 101 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:10.240 on it and things like that. But he posted to 102 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:12.759 Twitter a while back and he said something to the 103 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:14.639 effect of, it'd be really cool if there was a 104 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:20.120 system that you could use to basically do a get 105 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:23.160 pushed deployment or you know, a managed deployment like what 106 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:24.560 Heroku does. 107 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:25.759 Without having to use Heroku. 108 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:30.720 Because Heroku is freaking expensive, it's complicated and somewhat limited 109 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:31.920 on what you can. 110 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:32.759 Deploy with it. 111 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:35.800 Right if you're doing anything outside of kind of the 112 00:05:35.879 --> 00:05:38.680 fundamental things that they offer, you have to go get 113 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:40.839 a third party service. You have to tie it in 114 00:05:41.079 --> 00:05:44.160 to provide that other thing and jump through hoops, and 115 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:47.560 I can see where, you know, if you've got the 116 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:49.959 way that Kamal works, I could see building something on 117 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:52.160 Camal where you just say I need Rettis and it 118 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:55.319 says okay, and so it deploys a Rettus along with 119 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:58.160 everything else, right. And so then as long as there's 120 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.439 capacity on the server, whether you're using my servers or 121 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:04.680 your servers, right, because you could also set it up 122 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.800 so just hey, he's here are the keys to my 123 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:10.920 Linux or Linot account, or here are the keys to 124 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.399 my AWS account, and then it just manages all that 125 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:15.639 crap for you. And then you could get fancy. And 126 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:17.160 I don't know how fancy I would get, but you'd 127 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:20.120 get fancy. You could have it monitoring the capacity on 128 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.079 that stuff, and then if if it's getting close to capacity, right, 129 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:26.959 then it spins up another server for you and deploys 130 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.680 more stuff with Docker onto those. But anyway, yeah, you know, 131 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.120 I mean, the deployment's way easier with Kamal. So that 132 00:06:33.319 --> 00:06:36.079 that was one area. There were other areas of complexity 133 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.079 he brought up, and I was just you know, I'm 134 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:39.639 just there going, yeah, I kind of live in that 135 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:42.759 world right where. And then he said that there are 136 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:46.199 these merchants of complexity, right, so they'll sell you all 137 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.240 this stuff that you may or may not need, I 138 00:06:48.600 --> 00:06:51.160 think for some of the bigger enterprise customers. 139 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:53.839 Yeah, maybe some of these services make some sense. 140 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.600 I would really dearly love honestly, because there are open 141 00:06:56.600 --> 00:06:59.079 source systems like grafauna and. 142 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:02.000 Or Cabana or whatever. 143 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.680 I can't remember which ones which and what the open 144 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.480 source limitations are and all that stuff. But you can 145 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:10.160 set up other systems that are open source, and I 146 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.120 don't see any reason why you couldn't deploy those two. 147 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:14.040 I'd love to figure that out, right. 148 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.160 And so then what you do is you basically get 149 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:20.040 a a deployment toolkit that just gives you all the 150 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:23.759 all the all the toys, but anyway, so then you 151 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:26.480 can monitor what you need and get what you want. 152 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.040 So anyway, yeah, I completely agreed with them on the 153 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.199 on the complexity stuff. It just it it feels like 154 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.399 there's so much and as I dive deeper and deeper 155 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:38.600 into this area where I want to deploy my own 156 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.240 services and software as a service. Oh, the other one 157 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:45.000 he got onto was micro services and I have to 158 00:07:45.040 --> 00:07:48.920 say that. So where I work now and some of 159 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.839 the contracts that I've had over the last couple of years, Yeah, 160 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:54.399 they've got like a dozen services that you have to run, 161 00:07:54.519 --> 00:07:57.399 and I'm just not convinced that you need all of 162 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:02.199 the all of that extra orchestration and to do the job. 163 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.079 I think you could do a lot of it in rails, 164 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:08.839 and I don't completely I guess understand the allure of 165 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:11.399 pulling it out and putting it in its own service. 166 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:13.839 I think there are probably instances where some of that 167 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:17.360 makes sense, but yeah, once you get to the point 168 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.519 where you have to figure out orchestrating and deploying more 169 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:23.480 than a couple of services, I don't know. I don't 170 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:26.519 see the real draw there. But some of these bigger 171 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.480 companies have done it. You know, maybe it helps isolate 172 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:32.200 some of that data and stuff if you have to 173 00:08:32.279 --> 00:08:33.799 keep it private or things like that. I mean, I 174 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.720 can think of instances where it does make some of 175 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:40.799 that stuff easier because you have an extra layer between 176 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:43.639 whatever's serving the front end and everything else. But for 177 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.399 the most part, it just seems like it's it's overkill. 178 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:49.919 So so I'm with him on that. But yeah, like 179 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:52.320 I said, if your instance is different, and you think 180 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:55.360 that you have a terrific case for having a micro service, 181 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:57.360 no skin off my nose, right, you're you're the one 182 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:58.559 that has to maintain it and deploy it. 183 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.039 So yeah, but getting into the other stuff. 184 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.559 The other piece of the philosophy with RAILS that he 185 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:08.080 pointed out was that and I love this and this 186 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.639 is the reason why I love rails personally, was he 187 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:15.200 points out that it's supposed to be this broad tool 188 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:17.320 kit for all the things you want to do to 189 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:20.879 get modern web app out right. 190 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:23.320 And are there are there features that are still missing? 191 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:25.840 Yeah, there are, but for the most part, it looks 192 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:28.320 like they're figuring that out. So a few of them 193 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.919 that he talked about. One of them was marked down, right, 194 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:36.320 He said that markedown is basically the lingua franca of AI. 195 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:38.000 He's not wrong. 196 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:43.000 And so being able to work with and run through 197 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:47.799 stuff in markdown, you know, translate things into markdown, send 198 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.759 it to the AI, whatever it sends back, if that's 199 00:09:50.759 --> 00:09:53.039 in marked down, being able to render it makes things 200 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:53.960 a whole lot easier. 201 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:55.000 And there are more and more. 202 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.639 Features and functions that are being outsourced to AI, and 203 00:09:57.720 --> 00:09:58.799 so that that makes. 204 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.080 A whole, whole, whole, whole lot of sense. 205 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:06.159 Another one that he talked about was the offline functionality, 206 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:09.960 right where your app can function offline, and especially if 207 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:12.399 you're using something like I want to say Turbo Native, 208 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:14.279 but it's hot Wire Native. If you're using something like 209 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:17.759 hot Wire Native, people expect it to work more or 210 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:21.559 less like an app. And that means that if I 211 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:25.279 open up my app and I'm not connected, and I'm 212 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:28.440 not connected to the internet, still I still can't have 213 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:32.639 some reasonable expectation that's going to function. And yeah, not 214 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:36.240 every app that I have on my phone works without internet. 215 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:38.840 What's funny is is some of them it's like, this 216 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:43.240 is a game, right, but it won't function because it 217 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.200 can't They can't run the ads, and so they don't 218 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.519 want me to play the game unless they can profit 219 00:10:47.600 --> 00:10:50.799 off of me or something. It makes a lot of 220 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.440 sense there having that functionality there as well. And apparently 221 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:59.360 Joe Mazilotti and I think it was Rosa what's her name? 222 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:01.759 I think I can up here anyway that there was 223 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:04.919 another time. Yeah, Rosa Gutierrez. You know, they spoke about 224 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:08.960 some of these functionalities with if the different options with 225 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:11.600 you know, the offline mode and stuff like that. So 226 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:15.399 that's exciting, right because you know you can definitely make 227 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:19.159 things work that way. Another one was the notifications, so 228 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:23.159 the push notifications from your rails app, which is a 229 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:25.720 critical feature in my opinion if you're running a software 230 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:28.039 as a service or anything that you know you need. 231 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:29.000 To let people know about. 232 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:31.480 One other one that I thought was really awesome was 233 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.879 the active job continuations. In other words, you can basically 234 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.120 run your deployment and it doesn't have to sit around 235 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:45.440 and wait for this long running job to finish. Instead, 236 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.600 you know, it can stop and then it can pick 237 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.200 up where it left off, which is awesome, very very exciting. 238 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.840 Lexi is the new action text so you know, where 239 00:11:56.919 --> 00:11:59.799 before you use tricks, now it's using Lexi and the 240 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:04.159 yeah again, you know, just the capabilities there with a 241 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:08.039 better rich text editor and the options that you have 242 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:08.919 with mark down. 243 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:10.840 That's exciting. That's very exciting. 244 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:16.600 And finally, the active record tenety and the camal geoproxy 245 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.159 stuff where you can push now your stuff out to 246 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:21.960 the edge. And this is something that I've kind of 247 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:24.679 been looking at off and on for a while, is 248 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:30.919 I don't think it's terrible to expect people to hit 249 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:34.360 a server when one or two locations around the world 250 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:37.320 can also see where it would be really nice to 251 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:41.679 be able to just serve things faster, right where if 252 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.000 you're in Europe, you're getting your data from Europe, and 253 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:49.080 if you're in the US, you're getting North America, you're 254 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:52.080 getting the data from North America. Right, And so it's 255 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:56.000 just it's faster because it doesn't have to travel as far, 256 00:12:56.200 --> 00:13:01.039 and very very exciting stuff there. So overall, I'm really excited. 257 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.519 It looked like they're dropping support for stuff. I can't 258 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:06.159 remember all the things. I didn't really take that involved 259 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:09.279 of notes, but you know, just making sure that it's 260 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.840 focused on the forward looking stuff was really really exciting. 261 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:15.879 And then and then he showed off omarchy and I'm 262 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:18.080 glad that he said how to say it, because I've 263 00:13:18.120 --> 00:13:19.559 just kind of been reading in my head and I 264 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.320 was never quite sure how to say it. But Omarchie 265 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:25.320 it's it was funny because he says, yeah, when I 266 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:27.840 when I switched over, I started using a Boontu, and 267 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.480 that's kind of where I've been at. I just installed 268 00:13:30.519 --> 00:13:33.200 a boon too, So my journey there is it kind 269 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.360 of looks a little bit like where he ended up, 270 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.919 not not entirely. So for work, they issued me a 271 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:44.480 MacBook Pro. And anyway, I was chatting with some of 272 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.799 my coworkers and they were like, you know, and I 273 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:50.000 was complaining because I was like, you know, I kind 274 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:53.639 of I feel like I'm a little bit lost in 275 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.399 Apple prism, a little bit right where I only get 276 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:58.559 what I can get on the Apple and I don't 277 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:00.840 have as much control over my stuff, and you know, 278 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:04.120 sometimes these couple of things just don't work as seamlessly 279 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:06.639 as they do on Linux. Because I have a Linux 280 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.360 machine under my desk that I've been running a boon 281 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:12.360 to on. You know, I installed Katie on it because 282 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:15.000 I wasn't the Gnome interface just isn't my favorite. 283 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.200 Katie really isn't either, but it was closer to what 284 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:18.879 I was used to. 285 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:22.200 And so anyway, so at work, what wound up happening 286 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:24.559 was they said, well, you can request a Linux machine. 287 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:27.960 So I did, and so the laptop I have now 288 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:31.000 is a Linux machine running a boon tou. And I 289 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:32.840 was chatting with the other guys at work that are 290 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:37.559 using Linux and they were basically saying, yeah, well, we 291 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:40.919 we got rid of Gnome and we're running I three 292 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.240 and I three is one of those I can't remember 293 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:46.440 exactly how they describe it effectively. 294 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:48.600 If you watch the video he shows. 295 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:52.639 Off what he's doing there. I think he's using Hyperland. Yeah. 296 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:53.159 I three. 297 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:56.279 It says it's a tiling window manager, and so what 298 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:59.159 happens is is you hit the magic keys and it'll 299 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:01.559 open up a term and the terminal takes up the 300 00:15:01.559 --> 00:15:03.799 whole screen. And then if you hit the magic key 301 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.559 again and it opens up another, it'll open up another 302 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.360 terminal and it'll split it. It'll just automatically split the 303 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:12.440 screen in two. And you know, there are you know, 304 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:16.559 hot keys for saying split it horizontally, split it vertically, 305 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:19.320 make this take up, you know, and so you can 306 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:21.879 affect the layout, and then you have different workspaces that 307 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:24.399 you can move through. I had some issues with I three, 308 00:15:24.480 --> 00:15:28.279 and so I switched to SWAY, and Sway is based 309 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:30.799 on I three, but instead of using the x eleven 310 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:35.720 Windows Manager, it uses Wayland, and I think Hyperland does 311 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:37.600 the same. But yeah, he was showing it off and 312 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:39.519 it was like, oh, yeah, that's a lot like what 313 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:42.960 I'm doing. I'm still learning the ins and outs of SWAY. 314 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.120 But I have to say that it's it's really really 315 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:49.600 nice and the fact that they he's worked out over 316 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:52.200 the last few months all the kinks with. 317 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:55.000 Hey, this works nice, with this works nice. 318 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:57.600 With this, right, Because with Sway, I've had to figure out, oh, 319 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.440 how do I get it to and I still don't 320 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:04.039 have it quite working where it's okay, you're if I 321 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:06.159 walk away for five minutes, I want it to turn 322 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:08.960 on a screen saver. Well, it still doesn't do it. 323 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.919 There's something wrong with my configuration. It just stays on. 324 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.679 I mean, nothing breaks. But you know, I have to 325 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:17.519 figure out how to configure that myself. So I have 326 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:20.720 to find the open source program that works with SWAY 327 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:22.720 that will do all that stuff. 328 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:23.000 Right. 329 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:25.039 If I want the machine to go to sleep like 330 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.600 it is now, I actually have to put a command 331 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:32.240 in or I have since configured a key combo that 332 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:37.240 will just tell it to go to sleep. But it's 333 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:40.320 you know the fact that he's kind of figured all 334 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:42.080 of that out as far as this is how we 335 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:45.000 get all the niceties with managing stuff. And then you 336 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.759 can manage your windows with just from your keyboard. I 337 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:49.879 mean you can use your mouse, so you're not locked 338 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.399 off your mouse, But then I can just use the 339 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.120 mouse for the places where it makes sense for me 340 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.720 to go and go, Okay, I gotta click on this 341 00:16:57.799 --> 00:16:59.480 web page, and I gotta click this button, I gotta 342 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.200 click this think. I got to work through this thing, 343 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.720 and so I'm really looking forward to trying it. One 344 00:17:04.799 --> 00:17:11.079 other thing that I saw on Twitter was so my 345 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.240 my laptop, my personal laptop right now, I really want 346 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:17.160 to try out the Framework ones laptops, and that's what 347 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:20.640 he showed off at Rails World. The thing that appeals 348 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:23.640 to me about the Framework laptops is that if I 349 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.519 want to upgrade them, I can. And that's been an 350 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:28.400 issue that I've had with laptops for a long time, 351 00:17:28.559 --> 00:17:30.480 is you're just kind of stuck with what you get. 352 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.960 Some of the PC laptops give you some options, right 353 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:36.440 you can, you know, you pull out the RAM and 354 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:38.559 put new RAM in, and you know you can pull 355 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:40.240 out the hard drive and put in a bigger hard drive. 356 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:43.559 But the Framework ones are built for you to be 357 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:45.279 able to do that. Right. So, if you want a 358 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.519 nicer keyboard, keyboards modular, you can pull it out. 359 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:50.519 If you want a different screen or a better screen, 360 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:53.559 you can swap it out. You know, the RAM, the 361 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.200 hard drive, all of that stuff is made for you 362 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.319 to be able to pull it out and put new 363 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.480 in that's better, and so you can get a base 364 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:04.519 model and then you can upgrade it as you go. 365 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:08.680 And so I'm looking at trying that on Twitter, because 366 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.680 I've got a couple of Mac Minis sitting over here, 367 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.359 but they're old and so they won't upgrade to the 368 00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:16.119 late latest mac os. I have a Mac Pro up 369 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:18.480 in my closet over there, and it's like a twenty 370 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:19.440 twelve I. 371 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:20.839 Think Mac Pro. 372 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:25.960 And apparently people are installing Marchie on these older Apple 373 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:30.720 devices and it's working fine. And so I'm really excited 374 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:32.799 about some of those options as well. 375 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:36.279 And then the other thing that he got me thinking about. 376 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:37.640 As he was talking through some of the things at 377 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.799 the end of his talk was he was saying, yeah, 378 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:42.799 you know, and you can, you know, you can just 379 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.160 run all this stuff at home, and blah blah blah. 380 00:18:45.200 --> 00:18:47.160 It does occur to me, and I know Dave Kamiura 381 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:49.559 does this. Dave, who used to be a host on 382 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:53.240 Ruby Rogues, he actually has a server RAC and servers 383 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:55.000 in his house and he hosts all of his crap 384 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.200 out of his home, and I mean, I have fiber 385 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:01.519 internet here, and I don't see any reason why, you know, 386 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:04.400 if I put a rack in here somewhere, or you know, 387 00:19:04.599 --> 00:19:07.160 even with some of the older machines I have, you know, 388 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.240 I put OMARCHI or something on them, or just installed 389 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:14.960 like just a boomtoo server on them. You know, maybe 390 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:16.799 I could host some of the stuff that I do 391 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:22.200 here in my house and run some of the stuff locally, right, 392 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.759 even if it's just CICD or things like that. I 393 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:26.839 think it'd be interesting to see if I could make 394 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:30.359 all that work and then you know, not have to 395 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.359 pay a data center bill or a cloud bill to 396 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:36.279 host my crap. Now, if the internet goes down at home, 397 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:39.599 then you know, that's what you get out of some 398 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.119 of that other stuff is you have better guarantees that 399 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:46.880 it'll stay connected and stay on right as opposed to 400 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:49.279 hear where the power could go out or whatever, or 401 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:51.039