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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the All Eighties Movies Podcast, the

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podcast where we talked about the blockbusters, the flops, and

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everything in between from one of the precious decades from movies,

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the nineteen eighties. Your host Bill Banton long be on

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his journey revisiting eighties movies. Is my co host Jason Maatsik.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Jason, you want to know how to get capone?

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They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends

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one of yours to the hospital, You send one of

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his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way, and that's

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how you get capone.

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Speaker 1: That's right. Listeners, we're discussing with spoils of plenty. The

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nineteen eighty seven gangster drama The Untouchables. It was produced

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by Art Linson and distributed by Paramount Pictures. The movie

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stars Kevin Gostner, Andy Garcia, Robert de Niro, and Sean Connery.

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Directed by Brian de Palma, this movie is rated R

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with a running time of one hour and fifty nine minutes.

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It was based on the nineteen fifty seven autobiographical memoir

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by Elliot Ness of the same name, and later became

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a television series which ran from nineteen fifty nine to

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nineteen sixty three. The movie was nominated for four Oscars,

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winning one. Nominees were for Best Art Direction, Set Direction,

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Best Costume Design, and Best Music Original Score. The win

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was for Best Actor in the Supporting role Sean Connery.

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So what is this movie about? What's on the box?

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If you grew up in the nineteen eighties and went

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to your local video store to read this movie, you

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would find this description on the back of the VHS box.

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It is What's on the box? Take it away, Jason.

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Speaker 2: The critics and public agree. Brian De Palma's The Untouchables

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is a must see masterpiece, a glorious, fierce, larger than

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life depiction of the mob warlord who ruled Prohibition era

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Chicago and the law enforcement who vowed to bring him down.

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This classic confrontation between good and evil stars Kevin Costner

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as federal agent Elliot Ness, Robert de Niro as gangland

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kingpin al Capone, and Sean Connery as Malone, the cop

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who teaches Ness how to beat the mob, shoot fast,

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and shoot first, The Untouchables.

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Speaker 1: The Untouchables. Wow, that was a quick uh.

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Speaker 2: I'm used to these long ones, I know, short and

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sweet you tried to take a sip and whatever you're

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drinking over there, and you just didn't even have time.

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Speaker 1: To do that. Wow, all right, The Untouchables. So that

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was what's on the box, Jason. You remember the first

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time you saw The Untouchables.

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Speaker 2: I don't, Man, my memory has just been terrible for

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like the last ten movies I feel like we've covered.

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But I probably did see this in the theater. I

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had to have a US But I honestly don't remember

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the first time. But I can safely say I've seen

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it at least a dozen times, maybe more ever since.

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I always adored this film and one little memory I

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just wanted to share, and you can help me a

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little bit with this bill band. In college, of course,

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we befriended Marwan Abdurzak, who's been on this very podcast

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with us, and he worked for that company. Was it

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called Tinsley? Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Yep? Tinsley Advertising, right.

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Speaker 2: And they helped promote was it Paramount or.

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Speaker 1: Which, Yeah, it was Paramount, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So he would give us these promotional like packets that

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were like, you know, promoting films coming out, the current films.

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But he also had gotten his hands on promotional packets

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for slightly older films, and he gave me one from

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The Untouchables and it contains the photo the quote unquote

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the photo from the movie with the group of the

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Untouchables sitting around the table. Man, I don't know why

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I don't have that framed and up on my wall

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right now. Just talking about this movie right now makes

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me want to do that. So I just wanted to

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share that I absolutely love that photo.

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Speaker 1: Oh that is funny that you mentioned that, because that

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used to be a thing I would do, and I

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don't know how you were not in one of these photos.

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I would say, hey, let's do an Untouchables photo. I'd

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literally say that, and we would sitting around a table

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and Poe was like, we're Touchables. Absolutely, it's iconic. Man. Yeah,

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not there, but yeah, we did one in the bar

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and everybody's got the cigars and we're all standing along

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the bar and it's like the Untouchables. Everybody just makes

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a straight face. Yep, And that's what it is. And

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different friends. But I was thinking about this on the

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drive to work today. I was like, how do I

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not have one with you? Pat, Chris, Marjuan, I mean

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we'd get together. Next time we all get together, we're

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get together is will do it at the Island?

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remember the other two. Sorry, sorry guys, So you just

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had the good memory, but I can't remember the other

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two people. I was to see this movie, and man,

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as soon as it started, I was certainly hooked into

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that one. So definitely rememberable first time seeing that movie.

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my first time was in the movie theater. Very good.

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our impressions of The Untouchables? Jason, what you got?

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Speaker 2: Well, Bill Bant, this is what I gotta say. This

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movie's sexy all around. It's got big stars and Connery, Cossner,

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de Niro. We get introduced to Andy Garcia in this.

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It's capone, It's Chicago gangsters. It's Chicago in nineteen thirties

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Prohibition era. It's elliot Ness as a badass forming a

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special cadre or task force of officers to take down

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the big Bat. I mean, come on, what's not to

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like here? Even before watching this again, I was like

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I could see the whole movie in my mind, from

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beginning to end. How many scenes in this film are iconic.

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single scene. I mentioned Garcia's intro we get capone with

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the bat, all Connery's quotes. There's some really emotional moments

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that are just a real bummer in this film, and

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a lot of I'm just thinking, there's a lot of

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smaller scenes that are just really memorable. Not to mention

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these big set pieces obviously, like the Canadian Mounties and

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the Untouchables charging the bridge on horseback, But I'm just

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going to save the rest for our favorite scenes segment.

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But needless to say, this is just one of the

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more memorable movies overall. And speaking of favorites, this is

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one of my favorite scores by Ennio Morricone. I owned

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this soundtrack on cassette, played it to death. I know

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it forward and backward, and also not to mention I'm

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a Chicago guy, of course, and this is one of

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the great Chicago movies. But for me, this movie completely

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holds up today. It's a banger from start to finish.

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I look forward to every scene. I watched it twice

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for this recording, and it was just as enjoyable on

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the second viewing. I mean, right from the start, the music,

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the Dunna Dunn, It's effing classic. What a great title

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card in the beginning, and then you see a credit,

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did you I didn't know the wardrobe was by Giorgio

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ARMANI fancy yep. So some thoughts right off the top.

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guy is getting a shave is always great tension.

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it happens again. It's been done in a million movies.

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because you're always afraid, like if the bad guy gets

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cut by the razor, he's just going to take out

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the barber. But of course he exercises restraint in this,

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so it's just a great start to the movie and

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then it just keeps rolling from there. I got a

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lot more to say, but I'm gonna let you jump

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Speaker 1: Man. This is definitely one of those movies from the

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eighties that they can release now. I don't think there's

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much that they need to change. Hmm. Yeah. I think

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and Boz Them, probably because it's a period piece, sure,

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but sure it looks makes sense, fantastic. It still looks

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fantastic to me today. It still feels like it was

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nineteen thirty. Cogo and the costumes and just all that stuff.

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actors that they put together to form the Untouchables, love them,

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love them. I had no idea who any Garcia was,

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but right away I thought he was great. Charles Martin

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Smith is Oscar Wallace, a little comic relief in there. Yep.

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and he was just in charge of every scene that

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he was in. And Kevin Constner and I know a

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pop in throughout. Yeah, the music is awesome. Think about this.

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that we don't talk about, like, oh, you know movies.

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from beginning to end, it's a good one. It really

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eighties movies list? After watching it again? Now, I mean,

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Joey Sasa, But no, I think it's this. This is

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on screen. And so, yeah, Connery, you know what, we

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with the same issue. But he gets the Academy Award.

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Malone how to do the things that need to be

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done to take down to Capone, and it means having

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to cross a line, and he has a real difficulty

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with that, and we see how in the end does

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what it takes, obviously, but he's really having a battle

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with his own moral conscience. It was interesting as an

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adult to kind of watch that a little bit closer.

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Charles Martin Smith, as you said, he's fun man, He's

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just playing fun in this and it just makes it

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all the more tough. You well, I'll see for later.

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I just love the fact how he's really pushing the

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whole tax evasion thing throughout, like really trying to beaten

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Elliott Mess over the head with it, and Elliott finally

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kind of pays attention to him. But it's really kind

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of funny. De Niro is always intimidating to me. I

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mean that scene, it's another iconic scene. I mean, what's

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more intimidating than de Niro's Capone walking around the table

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with the baseball bat And you know what's going to

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happen if you've seen the movie. But it's just like,

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would you DeNiro walking behind you with a baseball bat?

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it might be. Uh no, thanks, cast is great. The

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direction Brian to Palman, I just wanted to talk about

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that for a second. This is our second film we're

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covering from him, first being blow out right, yeah, correct,

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and then he's directing this in between wise guys, and

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then Casualties of War comes after this. He definitely brings

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his unique style to this without question. It's the camera angles,

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it's the techniques, it's all the POV shots, the pacing,

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the building of tension. I love that split diopter shot.

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And the one we'll call out here right now is

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in you know where the opening quote comes from, of course,

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is the church scene between Malone and Ness where both

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the characters in the background and the foreground are in

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sharp focus, and that's the split diopter. It's a really

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cool effect and it works well, especially in that scene,

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So just calling that out. The writing by David Mammott

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obviously also a famous playwright, maybe most known for the

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play and film of Glengary Glenn Ross. I'm not sure

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if that would be his number one like claim to fame,

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but I felt his writing and his style gave this

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movie a real theatrical aspect, and I mean it feels

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at times like it's written for the theater, with characters

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coming in and out of rooms on Q, the musicality

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of Connery's delivery and moving around talking to different characters

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at times. A lot of the dialogue could be considered

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just you know, maybe on the service tough guy talk,

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whether it's the good guys or the bad guys. But

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the characters are again specifically drawn and really really entertaining.

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I actually really like the writing a lot. How'd you

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feel about both the direction and the writing? Brian de

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Palma just doing his Brian Obama thing.

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Speaker 1: It's with the cool camera angles and all that stuff

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that you mentioned. If you didn't know this is directed

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by him and you knew his work, you would know.

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it seems like him. And then what's the other part? Sorry?

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the writing. I mean, there's certainly a ton of liberties

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with the story on how they captured Compone. I mean

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it was through tax evasion, but it's exciting though. It's

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an exciting story. Everybody gets Time to Shine, with which

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I like, Yeah, I mean there's memorable dialogue that here

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we are almost forty years later and I'm still quoting

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this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Heck, yeah that Actually I was going to ask in

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our additional Questions segment, but I'll just ask it to

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you now. You may have just answered it was Did

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that bother you at all? That this is basically a

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revised or alternate history of events because it is mostly

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fictional outside characters' names and a couple of things in

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the film. I didn't realize how much of it was

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fictional until doing a little more research for this pod.

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But I can tell you right up front doesn't bother

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me the least.

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Speaker 1: This. Yeah, I think for me, it's it's like a

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case by case basism depending on what the movie is,

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because I don't think they're hiding anything and they're more

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just dramatizing, So that doesn't bother me. If they wrote

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stuff that like hide something about the characters so they

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it's going to put them in a bad light, that's

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when it kind of bothers me. But when it's just

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dramatizings to sit there to have a good time, I'm

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not going here for history. Lesson. I'm going here to

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be entertained. I'm not under that falsehood that this is

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a history lesson. All I know is there was a

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group that went after Compone and then got them on

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tax evasion. That's all I need to know.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, just a couple thoughts, final few thoughts. This

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made me really think about the Prohibition era, and I'll

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save that for later. It's kind of fascinating to me. Also,

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just a couple other things that stood out to me,

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just the pacing this film, the way that certain scenes

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are juxtaposed, in particular the scenes with elliot Ness versus

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al Capone. When you see al Capone doing something extremely

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violent and then it right very next scene it's elliot

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Ness with Patricia Clark, his wife in some very very

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like peaceful, serene scene, and it, you know, puts him

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in the really like this kind of heroic let you

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where you see he's just you know, trying to do

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what's right and protect his family, et cetera. So I

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like when they put those scenes back to back between

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caponea and elliot Ness and just going back to that,

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Like this movie just comes right out of the gate

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with bangers of scenes and another scene. The scene just

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I know, because we're not going to talk about it

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too much later, it's just the scene with the little

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girl getting blown up is absolutely brutal and seared into

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my mind forever.

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Speaker 1: My son walked into that scene and he was like, Dad,

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does that Does that girl just blow up? I'm like, yep.

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It's like, oh my god, what are you watching? Podcast?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also it's always in my head. I can

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hear her, hey, miss Missta, wait wait, I forgot your briefcase.

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And then the way it's shot and the iconic just

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you can see the building in your mind's eye and

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under the under.

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Speaker 1: The train tracks.

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Speaker 2: It's just but that's I'm just mentioning that scene because

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it's one of one hundred in this that are amazing.

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So I had an absolute blast watching this Again, I'm

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glad we're talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of this movie is very violent. It was definitely

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violent for that time for sure. Now it seems somewhat tame.

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But yeah, there's a lot of blood in this movie.

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For sure. We'll be talking about most of those scenes.

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But I remember being in the theater going geez, blood,

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blood and more blood, blood on windows, blood and elevators,

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blood on tables. Yeah, this is a very very violent movie. Yep,

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great point. And I do like this is a classic

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good guys first band guys. You have the Untouchables, then

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you have Copone's crew, and everyone's like everyone else is

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like in a gray era. You really know where the

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cops stand and all this. You don't you know even

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the citizens, because hey, they want to have their drinks,

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so they're gonna do what they can to get their

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hands on liquor. So I found that very interesting too.

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You definitely have a core group of good and a

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core group of bad, and everyone else is really in

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the middle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not complicated. It's very easy to understand, and

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it's very easy to root for the good guys and

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against the bad guys. Good guys when you got Kevin Costner,

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who's basically the Knight in Shining Armor and just always

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trying to do the right thing. And then you got

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Copone on the other side, which is the extreme opposite,

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so lying through his teeth, having a lot of people

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get smashed over that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, let's move on to favorite scenes. What are

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some of your favorite scenes from the Untouchables? And I

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think Jason, you're starting us off, Yeah, I got a

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couple right off the bat for no pun intended.

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Speaker 2: We'll start with Garcia's or should I say Giuseppe's intro.

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This is our introduction to Andy Garcia in the film,

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his character George Stone, which is an alias, and we

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find out, of course his real name is Giuseppe Petrie.

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But always love this, always look forward to it because

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Andy Garcia, a young, sharp looking, wide eyed Andy Garcia

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is all ready commanding. He's just got the gravitas and

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he makes you want to see what he's going to

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do next. And the fact that in the scene he

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actually matches Connery's energy and they obviously recruit him to

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be a member of the Untouchables because that shooting range

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scene is just one of the first things that pop

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into mind my mind because it was the first time

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I recognized Garcia and his total presence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love this scene too because the way it ends,

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where Connery's character Malone provokes George and he pulls the

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gun on him. He's like, perfect, let's take him. I

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like him. That's just like yeah, yeah, I guess yeah, okay,

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I like him too. He was just about to shoot you. Yeah,

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but yeah, I aggressive and Garcia right after this movie, Yeah,

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you want to.

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Speaker 2: See what he does next. He's just so damn convincing.

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I'm actually uh, I have been watching him in land

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Man season two.

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Speaker 1: That's going and.

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Speaker 2: Still he's still got it. But moving on to my

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next scene, which I'm just calling it the successful Raid,

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this is a quick one. This is the Untouchables going

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into action and taking care of business. In this one

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moment led by Malone Connery's character, he knows where one

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of these underground illegal alcohol statues are and it happens

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to be right across the street from the police station

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at the post office. And my one of my favorite

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things about this is the leave the police precinct. It

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has the iconic shot of the Chicago Board of Trade building.

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I think it's La Salle Street if I'm not mistaken,

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and you just get any O Morricone's score, that sweeping,

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heroic score as the four of them are walking across

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the glass. It's just that glossy street and you get

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all the classic period cars parked along each side, the

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set dressing, the location, everything is like you just want

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to stand up and like let's go, come on, let's

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go kick ass and they do, and then they go

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in and raid I'm failing, My words are failing me

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at the stash house what do you call that where

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they're holding.

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Speaker 1: All the liquor there? But yeah, yeah, the warehouse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Connery's got some great lines after he punches

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the the you know, the gangster that's running the show

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there in the stomach with his shotgun. I think he

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belts him in the stomach regardless, as you know, how

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do they how do you think he feels now better

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or worse?

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Speaker 1: It's lines like that. I love in this from him, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, heroic seeing it gets my blood pump in every time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. Here they are in the office

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and Malone it's like, okay, let's start this, let's get

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compone and they literally cross the street to do it.

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Right ed ness the whole time is like wait, wait,

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are you sure about this? Are you sure he's nervous

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because if he's already got a bad mark against him,

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and if he f's this up, he's probably done. And

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sure enough, right under the police noses. Yeah, clickers.

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Speaker 2: Malone's got a great line too. This is also a

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great scene in the way where this is where there

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Malone makes this point clear is that there's no going

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back after this, So this is committing to the action.

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And he has that line, mister ness. Everybody knows where

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the booze is. The problem isn't finding it. The problem

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is who wants to cross Compone. There you go, and

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then we're really off after this scene. It's very theatrical

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on Triumphant. So that's kind of what I'm talking about

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with the writing too, about the very theatrical nature of it.

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Speaker 1: So, oh yeah, what do you got next? I mean,

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this got me as a kid and it still gets

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me today. And that's Oscar Wallace's death. So Oscar Wallis

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is played by Charles Martin Smith and in the beginning

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of the movie we kind of he's like the nerdy

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type who's trying to get Compone through tax evasion, and

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they kind of thrust him into more of an action

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role and he steps up and there is a scene

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early in the movie and the border patrol we think

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he's going to die and he somehow survives it, so okay,

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he's untouchable. Nothing's going to happen. And he's supposed to

471
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,200
escort this bookkeeper and he's in the elevator with which

472
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,200
he thinks is a police officer and the bookkeeper, and

473
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,880
the bookkeeper's like, you gotta protect me, you got to

474
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,519
protect me. He's like, ah, I don't worry, don't worry,

475
00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:40,039
don't worry. And of course the police officer ends up

476
00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:43,880
being one of Compone's right hand man Eddie and turns

477
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,920
around and points a gun in his head, and you're like,

478
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:50,119
this isn't going to happen. Boom dead. I couldn't believe that,

479
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,880
you know. It's like, oh my god, the good guy's

480
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,920
dying sure enough alone and Ness get down to him

481
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,160
and he's hung up in the elevator and that was crushing.

482
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,759
That was crushing minut because it almost felt like he

483
00:24:01,799 --> 00:24:05,440
was the least supporting of the four, but now his

484
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:06,680
death was very impactful.

485
00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: If you want to be mad at this movie for

486
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,160
a reason, it's because they really set you up for

487
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,920
a fall here, and man, I fell when Wallace died

488
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,319
because they make him so. He's the feel good, like

489
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,000
you said, comic relief character. He's just kind of a

490
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,599
seems to be just a really upbeat dude with a

491
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,599
great disposition, is always smiling and he's chewing on his pipe.

492
00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:30,039
Love the scene when he first comes into the office

493
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,440
with the books and he's wanted to talk to Ness

494
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,880
about the tax evasion and they're getting ready to go

495
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,640
on this raid with their shotguns and Malone walks over

496
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,119
to him says, you carry badge. He's like, yep, carry gun.

497
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: Just gives him the.

498
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 2: Shotgun and it's like okay, And he's still got the

499
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,319
pipe in his mouth the whole time, yep, going across

500
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:47,599
the street.

501
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: So then when he dies, it's like, no, you can't.

502
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,160
He's the Oh no, I loved him.

503
00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 2: You just really really he's so likable and it's awful

504
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,039
the way he goes on.

505
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,839
Speaker 1: You called it super violence. Super violent?

506
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: No, definitely that when he shoots the uh the bookkeeper

507
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,839
or whatever that character is who is our haits that

508
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,359
actor from he was.

509
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:13,519
Speaker 1: Her head set actor from a funny farm, right.

510
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's awful. And then he actually hangs

511
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,640
Wallace up like on the clipboard by his jacket.

512
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: He somehow hangs him into the in the elevator and.

513
00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 2: The word in blood reads touchable. So it's great, but

514
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,079
it's awful. Yeah, all right, I've got the next one.

515
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:37,160
In this one I call an operatic death This also

516
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,279
is gut wrenching. May have seen this coming a little

517
00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:46,319
more than Wallace's death. However, this is wonderful cinematography and direction.

518
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,160
We've got a POV tracking shot. It's a one take

519
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,440
shot from the from the research.

520
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: This is good. I like this.

521
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: It's the peeping tom perspective of gangster who is breaking

522
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,880
into Connery or Malone's apartment and he's watching him from

523
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,920
the window, climbing along like the ledge outside the windows,

524
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,599
and then finally goes in and lures Connery out to

525
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:14,039
that stoop out back and man every time like I'm

526
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,720
just every time, I'm like, oh no, don't go out there,

527
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:20,920
don't go out there. And of course that shot of

528
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,480
when he looks up in the realization that he's basically

529
00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:26,240
been set up and Nitdi is standing on the staircase

530
00:26:26,839 --> 00:26:29,440
and just blows him away with that Tommy gain. This

531
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,359
is the shit that is seared into my mind from

532
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,079
this movie. The number of bullets that he gets hit

533
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,759
with always, he gets hit in the chest, flips around,

534
00:26:39,839 --> 00:26:43,799
gets hit multiple times in the back, blood everywhere. So

535
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,960
this whole scene combined with then after he shot the

536
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,599
song I'm going I hope I don't butcher this, but

537
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:57,720
vesti la giuba or giuba from Palliacci the opera, that

538
00:26:57,799 --> 00:27:02,079
particular song which is very famous is playing, and Capone

539
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,039
is at the theater and then he's got like tears

540
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:06,119
of joy when he hears the news from Nitty that

541
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,279
Malone has been taken out. Everything from this, the Malone

542
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:14,200
grabbing the train schedule, the emotional basically farewell from great

543
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,119
emotional moment from Costner. But Garcia on his knees with

544
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,079
his head hanging down and he's like crying, Yeah, puts

545
00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:24,599
his hand out to touch Malone's hand. It's awful, But

546
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,720
really it's gut wrenching when Connor dies.

547
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,279
Speaker 1: Because I remember when I saw in the movie and

548
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,839
after he gets shot and the cuts a Capone and

549
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,920
then they cut back to the apartment and Connor's crawing

550
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,920
against the floor. There was people in the theater grown like, oh,

551
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,359
come on, there's no way he survived. But then the

552
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,400
death scene, the theater was silent. You could hear a

553
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,359
pin drop, and then the what are you but bad

554
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:56,759
to do? That was tough. Yeah, I kind of turned

555
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:59,599
away from the screen for a little bit. Yeah, I

556
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,559
regard this is one of the iconic death scenes in cinema.

557
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,480
It's just no, definitely, and then just getting frustrated when

558
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,920
he's trying to tell Ness to get the train schedule.

559
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:13,599
It's like, you want this, you want this, like you

560
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:16,400
stupid son of a bitch, because you could tell you.

561
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:20,079
Speaker 2: Like He's literally saved his final moments, his last breath

562
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,119
to have enough energy to grab that train schedule, but

563
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,119
he barely gets it.

564
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of training schedules, Definitely, one of the most

565
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:36,839
iconic scenes of the movie is the gunfight on the steps,

566
00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:42,440
and this is pretty much taken from a battleship but Tanken,

567
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:44,799
did you ever see that Jason find a chance? You know?

568
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: I want to say I did in film school, but

569
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,440
I couldn't tell you anything about it to be honest,

570
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,640
But I'll just say yeah that this Union State, the

571
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,880
Chicago Union Station shootout is this is the scene.

572
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,559
Speaker 1: This is the scene from the movie I think most

573
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:04,400
people identify with. Yeah. It's amazing because you have Costner

574
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,240
and George and they're trying to get to the train

575
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,279
station before the bookkeeper gets there so they can pick

576
00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:13,359
him up and use his information to prosecute Compone because

577
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,160
they realize the only way they're going to get to

578
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,519
get him is through this tax evasion, and they're waiting.

579
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,759
Ness is waiting at the top of the steps, and

580
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,000
this lady's pulling up the baby carriage and he goes

581
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:25,200
runs down help and by the time he gets up

582
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,359
to the top of the carriage there's components men. One

583
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:32,400
of them of course recognize Ness. Gunfight ensues and then

584
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,759
here goes the baby carriage. Boom boom, boom, boom boom.

585
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,440
Down the steps. People are shooting at the baby carriage.

586
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,720
Here comes Stone coming in. He's just picking everyone off

587
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:45,200
left and right, and then Stone slides stops the carriage.

588
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,559
The last of components Men as the bookkeeper's hostage, basically

589
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,119
tells Ness he's going to kill the bookkeeper or they're leaving,

590
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,480
one of those two alternatives, and then Boomstone shoots components

591
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,519
men right between the eyes and a scene so awesome.

592
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,920
If you watch Battleship the Tank and with this is

593
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,319
based on. It's a Russian movie. It's so much shot

594
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:08,279
for shot, but it works for both, and it's so

595
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,000
much fun. And I was I couldn't believe when I

596
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:12,559
saw this in film school. And this, of course, this

597
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,480
is after I saw this movie and I was like,

598
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:17,200
holy shit, it's the same thing. I gotta go back

599
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,359
and see it. Effect of though in this setting, it's

600
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,960
so much fun. Yeah, this is definitely one of the

601
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,400
best scenes from eighties movies. Yeah, I would say, yeah,

602
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,319
I would definitely say top ten act scenes without it

603
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,720
eighties movies without a doubt. It's just really really well crafted.

604
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,920
I love the conflicting music in the beginning with the

605
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,640
lullaby in the background. Oh yes, and then you have

606
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,160
Marconi's score a little bit more, you know, foreboding in

607
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,400
the foreground. All the different players, whether it's the navy

608
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,400
guy or the suspicious character wearing the suit who then

609
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:55,079
is just met by his girlfriend and walks off. There's

610
00:30:55,079 --> 00:30:58,119
so many different players in this and you just you

611
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,119
called it all out, but it's all it's using all

612
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:05,880
film techniques, all film techniques to build tension, and depaulm

613
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,920
is a master at it. It's the pacing, it's the

614
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,240
vertigo shots looking downward, the editing, the time constraint when

615
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,599
you keep hearing the announcement of the train is going

616
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,000
to be leaving at twelve oh five I believe or

617
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:21,799
whatever it is. So there's just you're anticipating the entire time,

618
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:27,640
the slow motion. But come on, it's Garcia, it's George Stone.

619
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,240
Ji Setie is such a badass in this man. When

620
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,559
he comes riding around the Glarner double fisted with the

621
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,640
little snubnosed pistols and just tosses one to Nests and

622
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,119
then being the marksman that he is, talk about another

623
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:44,480
really violent scene because when what he's the bad guy's

624
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,920
counting to three, right, and on two he barely opens

625
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,119
his mouth and Stone puts a bullet right through him.

626
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: M And you get that blood splatter on the back

627
00:31:54,160 --> 00:32:01,359
and that great music in the background, and you're just like, damn, yeah.

628
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, just that look that Stone is giving compone Sky,

629
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,680
just waiting for Ness to just say just shoot shoot

630
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:11,599
m hm. And he knows as soon as Nest says it,

631
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,559
I got him. That's awesome. And then he finishes it off.

632
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,079
Speaker 2: He actually finishes the count right, he's about because the

633
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:19,400
bad guy's about to say two, but one of them does.

634
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

635
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:26,759
Speaker 2: Stone then goes two after he shoots him. Yeah, thank

636
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:28,720
you for saying that. That's what that's what you should

637
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:30,359
That's a scene you study in class.

638
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, definitely uh. And finally, for me, another

639
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,920
famous scene or or even moment, what I would say

640
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,599
scene too, is when Ness realizes that Nitty is the

641
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,559
one that killed Malone and they had the rooftop chase.

642
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,680
There's two moments that I really like. There's one when

643
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,799
we think Ness falls off the roof and Nitty goes

644
00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:53,880
to check and Ness shoots him but hits his hat

645
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,880
and the way he just flies back and flops and

646
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,000
then gets up and starts running again, and then he

647
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,640
tries to escape and Ness catches him and Ness is

648
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,519
going to escort him back, and Nitty is just playing

649
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,440
with him like, oh yeah, I'm alone. It's like a

650
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:11,160
pig when I killed him and you think Ness is

651
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,279
a good guys. He's going to take him, just arrest

652
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,720
him like he's supposed to, and just tosses him off

653
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:18,559
the roof and goes, does he sound like that? And

654
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,000
then he lands in the car and that stone later

655
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,599
the Nitty I left him in the car and it's

656
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,680
just awesome, and you just see his dead body all

657
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,359
smashed up in the car. It's like awesome when Nitty's

658
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:30,799
body just hits that car.

659
00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:35,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the fall off the roof isn't bad actually,

660
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:37,400
and there's just that they had to do the one

661
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,559
close up that looked bad with the special effects.

662
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: But outside of that.

663
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,519
Speaker 2: It was a pretty good, pretty well filmed stunt and

664
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:48,400
and pretty well edited great chase across the rooftops. Nitty

665
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,519
is a real bad dude. Another memorable quote screamed like

666
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:53,680
a stuck Irish pig.

667
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,279
Speaker 1: It's awful.

668
00:33:56,039 --> 00:34:01,119
Speaker 2: And this is the time when Ness finally he crosses

669
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,079
the line. He's been pushed too far and this guy

670
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:07,519
needs to go down, and he really goes down.

671
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:16,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, moving on to swiss cheese and complaints apartments

672
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,639
and what do we call it swiss cheese? Because although

673
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,360
this movie is delicious, it does have Tommy gun holes. Yeah,

674
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,599
so it doesn't have any of those Tommy gun holes.

675
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,519
We just file a complaint. What's a complaints apartment? So, Jason,

676
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:31,039
do you have anything for swiss cheese or complaints?

677
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 2: I got a few, uh kind of like questions.

678
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:34,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

679
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. After the very first raid gone wrong, when Ness

680
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:48,440
gets oh yes, okay, he has his photo taken by

681
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:54,880
you know, reporter photographer and then is skulking on the

682
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,679
bridge where we are then introduced to Malone. They have

683
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:00,679
a scene together on the bridge, but he's already got

684
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,079
the newspaper with the photo of him failing in the

685
00:35:05,079 --> 00:35:07,719
headline of the raid gone wrong, that was a failure.

686
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: I was like, how did that already? How is it

687
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:10,679
published already?

688
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,199
Speaker 2: It seemed like that was the night of the same

689
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,880
night of the raid. I didn't He says, I'm alone

690
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,400
that he had a really rough day, and I got

691
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,360
a little confused as to how that paper came out

692
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:21,880
so quickly.

693
00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's the next day. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

694
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,519
I guess it has to be. And he had to

695
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:29,760
explain all that all day long, like what the hell

696
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:33,199
went wrong? Yeah? But yeah, I think my question is,

697
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,159
like they make such a big deal about the informant

698
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,519
and then Ness says, don't touch the informant, but once

699
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:42,719
you still want to arrest him, just to kind of

700
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:44,079
keep up with the act.

701
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:46,679
Speaker 2: I had that written down to before. I don't know

702
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,920
why I didn't have it here thousand percent? What was

703
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,559
the deal with the informant? Bad intel? And was he

704
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:57,239
I'm assuming then that Capone's people got to him first

705
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:01,440
or got it. How to interrogate the inform You gotta

706
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:02,079
find that guy?

707
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, At that point, the guy would know like, oh,

708
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,559
we've been set up, or he's been set up and

709
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,360
it's not liquor. I guess compose the whole thing is

710
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,639
just just embarrass him and he'll go skulking home. But

711
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,119
that's not the case. Yeah, go ahead. I mean, it's

712
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,480
one of my favorite scenes that I mentioned. But you know,

713
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:22,480
with Oscar Wallace's desk, how did Nitty find time to

714
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,880
write and touchables or touchables and blood? Right? I want

715
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:26,559
to get out of there.

716
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he put in some work there, and he did

717
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,000
take him a lot more time than it took for

718
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,760
Ness and Malone to get down there and get into

719
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,239
the elevator.

720
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

721
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you on that one. For sure, effective

722
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,920
but maybe not quite realistic.

723
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,559
Speaker 1: Right because there's two cops waiting down at the elevator.

724
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:47,480
Malone and Ness hear that gunshot, so they're on their

725
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:50,320
way down. Yeah, I don't think i'd be taking time

726
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,960
to And it's not little print, it's big. Oh yeah,

727
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,639
two foot tall letters all across the elevator for sure.

728
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,719
Good call, man, good call. I question.

729
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 2: We we love Oscar Oscar Wallace. Now during the Canadian

730
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,400
Mounty scene when they take over the shipment of Canadian whiskey.

731
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:12,639
Speaker 1: On the bridge.

732
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,199
Speaker 2: Do we This is where just gets a little maybe

733
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,079
a little far fetched for me. Did you buy the

734
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:22,960
fact Wallace takes out more cronies than anybody else? He like,

735
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,880
shoots at least three guys with his shotgun and takes

736
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,639
out the fourth by knocking him out with the butt

737
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:30,199
of his shotgun. I was like, I don't know if

738
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,360
Oscar Wallace was quite capable enough to take out all

739
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:34,880
those guys.

740
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,199
Speaker 1: I don't know how you felt about that. He's been trained, Okay.

741
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:44,039
I always loved that because the least likely of the

742
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,719
four was able to pull that off. I mean, most

743
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,400
of it was fear and some of it was probably

744
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,800
just training instinct.

745
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:54,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, as an accountant with the Bureau. He I mean,

746
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:56,039
he's with the Bureau. He had to have some training

747
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:58,400
at some point. Yeah, I mean, okay, See that's why

748
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,199
I've just formed it was just a question uestion.

749
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,079
Speaker 1: No, it's okay. It bothers you, that's fine, didn't bother me.

750
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,679
Speaker 2: Sense during the Union Station shootout, that gangster that takes

751
00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:12,360
the bookkeeper hostage and starts moving up the staircase to

752
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,920
the exit, here's a question for you, But why doesn't

753
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,599
he just continue moving up the staircase. He's got the

754
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,440
bookkeeper hostage at gunpoint, he stops.

755
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I have no idea, you know

756
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,679
what I mean, Like, what is he what is he

757
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,320
trying to negotiate? Just get out of there. Yeah, it's

758
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,360
your typical bad guy telling the good guys what your

759
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:32,079
plan is and.

760
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, monologuing or something. Yeah, did you have more?

761
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,239
I just have two more quick ones.

762
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,599
Speaker 1: I know we're only supposed to have a few, but

763
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:42,360
they're very quick. This is my big one. This is

764
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:45,000
kind of disappointing, all right. So we have Elliotts and

765
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,199
we have Copone. There's very few scenes of the two

766
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,239
of them together. Base of the one, the staircase, and

767
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,760
then in the courtroom, and then at the very end,

768
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,079
when pretty much we know Capone's going to jail and

769
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:58,079
Ness makes his way over to talk to him, I'm

770
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:02,920
thinking for some big dialogue moment, and then he drops

771
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,000
that never stop fighting until the fight is I'm like, really,

772
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,559
all these great lines in the movie, and that's what

773
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:16,239
we dropped with the conclusion of the nes Capone saga. Yep, yeah,

774
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,079
I was really bummed with that. That didn't do it

775
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:18,639
for me at all.

776
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: Never stop, never stop fighting until the fight is done here. Okay,

777
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:27,639
it didn't work for you. That is weak sauce, gotcha. Okay,

778
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,199
didn't bother me as much. But I can understand your

779
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,079
point of view there for sure. They don't have many

780
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:39,039
scenes together, really, Okay, that the big climactic moment for

781
00:39:39,079 --> 00:39:42,719
the two of them, a little of a letdown, kind

782
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,320
of takes the air out a little bit. Yeah, okay,

783
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,000
all right, here's one for you. The photo, the iconic

784
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,679
photo we talked about at the top, a photo that's

785
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,239
taken in the middle of the movie is not the

786
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,519
same movie photo we see at the end of the movie.

787
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's just weird to me.

788
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: I don't know why they did that, because it's clear

789
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,000
as in the middle of the movie, what the the

790
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,920
you know, we see a freeze frame of the photo itself,

791
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:07,400
and at the end, I'm like, that's not the same picture.

792
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,559
I mean, it's the four of them sitting together, but

793
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:13,360
they're in like a slightly different I forget, I apologize.

794
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,639
I don't know specifically why. I just know it's different

795
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,800
because it looks if they're one's expression is different. I

796
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,639
don't know if their hands are placed in different places,

797
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:21,480
but it's just different.

798
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: It's weird. It'd be funny if they lost the one, like, ah,

799
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,239
all right, we're gonna shoot another one. Do you remember

800
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:33,119
where you guys were sitting? I love it, I love it. Yeah,

801
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:35,320
two copies.

802
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: This is my last quick one. Did you think that

803
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,519
after Frank Nitty's situation outside the court room at the

804
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,480
end when he shoots the officer, you know, he gets

805
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:47,320
dragged out of the cart and shoots the officer and

806
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,679
then the whole thing goes down obviously between Ness and

807
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:53,280
Nitty on the rooftop your favorite scene. Wouldn't the trial

808
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,039
be paused at that point when they're just been a

809
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,639
shooting outside? Do they continue that?

810
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? You would think they would have to clear the courts. Yeah,

811
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,920
there's a gunfight in the building. Everyone's got to get out,

812
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,840
shut everything down. Yeah, it seems so weird when that

813
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,119
the bailiffs gets shot in the way, he's just like,

814
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,519
take my gun. Such a weird line delivery.

815
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's a real quick, weird moment. Well that's

816
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,039
all I got.

817
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: Let's move on to Hey it's that actor all right.

818
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,159
So in this segment with spotlight a character actor you

819
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,639
have seen in many other films, an actor making their

820
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,079
big screen debut. Who an actor makes an uncredit cameo,

821
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:39,280
it's hey, it's that actor. Who do we choose this week?

822
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: This week we choose four Hour Hats That actor Don

823
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,679
Harvey as Officer Prazuski. He was one of the Flying Squad.

824
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,440
It's near the beginning of the film, right before the

825
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,519
the raid that is a giant failure for Elliott. Ness

826
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,400
Ness gets into the car with Prazuski and they have

827
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,920
a little conversation and basically Prazuski is just replying yes, sir, yes, sir,

828
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,719
yes sir. But Ness asks him if he's married and

829
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,039
makes a comment like it's it's nice to be married.

830
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,360
But I recognize that actor's face right away. He's very

831
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:14,199
young in this. He is an American character actor from Michigan.

832
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,960
Here's his eighties. This is gonna be quick. He did

833
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,679
a couple episodes of soap operas early on. He did

834
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,760
After School Special in eighty five, had a role in

835
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,440
Creep Show two in eighty seven, does this in eighty

836
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,679
seven as well? Then now wait for it. He played

837
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:31,440
the role of Alan Beeks in an episode of Miami Vice.

838
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,840
This was season four, episode seventeen. The name of the

839
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,400
episode was hell Hath No Fury. That was in nineteen

840
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,559
eighty eight. He plays the role of Swede Risburg in

841
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:44,280
Eight Men Out in eighty eight, then plays the role

842
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,320
of another DePalma film after this, Casualties of War in

843
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,639
eighty nine. But I think I actually know him best

844
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:57,519
as the bad guy named Garber from Diehard two. He

845
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,360
has the line near the beginning when he puts is

846
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,719
the TV camera out of the way, He puts his

847
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,320
hand on it, and forgive my language here, listeners, but

848
00:43:05,679 --> 00:43:08,400
his quote is no pictures, you pinko bitch?

849
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: Do you remember that character? I don't know.

850
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,079
Speaker 2: That just seems to be a memorable moment from that film.

851
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:17,440
That's what I know our guy Don Harvey from. But

852
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,920
other notables after Yeah, we're already into the nineties and

853
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,400
so on and so forth here. But he's in Hudson Hawk,

854
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:25,840
Tank Girl. He's been a ton of episodic TV. Just

855
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,719
look him up. He was in Taken three. In recent years,

856
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,840
he was an episode of Lethal Weapon, the TV series.

857
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,559
He was an episode of Yellowstone, a couple episodes of

858
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,159
Better Call Saul. He plays Anthony Pellicano in a couple

859
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,440
episodes of the TV mini series Pam and Tommy. Don

860
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,119
Harvey still Working Today recognized him right away.

861
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,039
Speaker 1: When they did the lineup. When Nes goes to see them,

862
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:51,239
he stood out, yeah, good, oh for sure. Wait second, yeah,

863
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,119
there he is in the in the cor scene. And

864
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:55,159
then as soon as you started mentioning all those movies,

865
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,519
I saw him in everything that you were talking about, saying,

866
00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:01,079
oh yeah, oh yeah. Let's move on to facts and trivia.

867
00:44:01,199 --> 00:44:04,239
What are some facts and trivia we have about the Untouchables.

868
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: Well, we talked about Oscar. We're going to talk about

869
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,239
him a little more. The character of the IRS agent

870
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,679
Oscar Wallace was partially based on Frank J. Wilson, the

871
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,039
IRS criminal investigator who spent years keeping tabs on copone's

872
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:20,119
financial dealings before laying charges. Unlike Wallace, Wilson was not

873
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,280
killed during the investigation and was later involved in the

874
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,000
Lindberg kidnapping case.

875
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,599
Speaker 1: Interesting. So, Andy Garcia was originally considered for the Frank

876
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,920
Nitty role, but he insisted on reading for George Stone instead.

877
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,000
Good move, mister Garcia, yueh, no kidding.

878
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: We were talking about de Niro of course, and let's

879
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,719
continue on with some casting trivia. Robert d Niro was

880
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,920
Dipalma's first choice to play al Capone, but it was

881
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,480
uncertain if he could appear in the film because of

882
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,400
his appearance in the Broadway play Cuba and His Teddy Bear.

883
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,920
He also wanted to gain about thirty pounds to play Capone,

884
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,880
and according to DiPalma, Daniro was very concerned about the

885
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,559
shape of his face for the part. Di Palma then

886
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,480
met with with Bob Hoskins to discuss the role in

887
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:04,960
case Daniro could not appear. When de Niro took the part,

888
00:45:05,639 --> 00:45:09,000
de Palma mailed Hoskins a check for I Think It's

889
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:13,079
twenty thousand pounds with a thank you note, which prompted

890
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:15,760
Hoskins to call up to Palma and ask him if

891
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,639
there are any more films he didn't want him to

892
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:17,880
be in.

893
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:22,519
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, So the Great Union Station Shootout.

894
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,280
So the baby in the character of the train is

895
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,480
the film stunt coordinator's son stunt quarter named Gary Hymes,

896
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:34,639
and the sun is Colin. Yeah. It was eighteen months wow.

897
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: As mentioned earlier, While the film is based on historic events,

898
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,000
most of the film is fictionalized are inaccurate. The raid

899
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:43,920
at the Canada United States border never happened, neither did

900
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,079
the courthouse or railway station shootouts. Ness did not kill

901
00:45:47,079 --> 00:45:50,800
Frank Nitty, who died in nineteen forty three, twelve years

902
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,760
after the Capone trial, by suicide, the day before Nitty

903
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,480
himself was scheduled to be in court. In reality, Ness's

904
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,360
unit had very little to do with Capone's final tax

905
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,599
evasion conviction, which was orchestrated by US attorney George E. Q.

906
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,760
Johnson and IRS agent Frank J. Wilson, aforementioned who inspired

907
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,920
the character of Oscar Wallace as I said, but was

908
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,159
never actually a part of the Untouchables.

909
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: In the original script, the final gunfight had Elliot Nass

910
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,239
and George Stone battling Compone's gunman on a stop train.

911
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:24,039
Brian to Palma conceived the gunfight on the steps of

912
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,440
Chicago's Union Station when Paramount decided that staging the scene

913
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,360
and finding a nineteen thirties period train would be too expensive.

914
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:33,920
That sometimes would costs to actually save you.

915
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: It was reported on July second of two thousand and

916
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,119
four that Antoine Fuquah would direct an Untouchable spin off

917
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,480
titled The Untouchables Mother's Day, which was later changed to

918
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,880
Capone Rising. The film script, which was written by Brian

919
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:55,320
Koppelman and David Levian, with later revisions by David Robe

920
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,960
or Rob excuse me if I mispronounced that, focused on

921
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,719
the rise of Chicago mob Kingpin K in the years

922
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,159
before the Encounter with Ness and his Lawman and June

923
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:06,880
of the following year, original director Brian de Palma replaced

924
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,159
Fuquah on the film. According to DiPalma, the film went

925
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:14,639
into development several times, with Nicholas Cage, Gerard Butler, and

926
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:19,360
Benicio del Toro all attached to play Capone at different stages.

927
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: M I don't think I want to see that one. Yeah,

928
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:24,960
I don't know how that would have worked, yea. So

929
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:29,079
Albert H. Woolfe, the last survivor of the real life Untouchables,

930
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,920
was a consultant on this movie and helped Kevin Costner

931
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,920
with his portrayal of Elliot Ness. Cool. Let's move on

932
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,400
to box office. So The Untouchables hit theaters on June third,

933
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,199
nineteen eighty seven, opening in oneenty twelve screens nation wide.

934
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,840
Made an estimated budget of twenty five million dollars The

935
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film went on to earn seventy six point two million

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at the North American box office. When it debuted, the

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movie landed in the number two spot, behind Beverly Hills

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Cop two. Even with that tough competition to Untouchable stayed

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in the top ten for another five weeks. By the

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end of its theatrical run, it ranked as the sixth

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highest grossing movie of nineteen eighty seven. Interestingly enough, both

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The Untouchables and Moonstruck finished the year in the top ten,

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even though neither movie reached number one at the box office.

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Moving on to reviews. When growing up in the eighties,

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we would watch at the movies with Gene Siskell and

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Roger Eber to hear their reviews and watch clips of

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upcoming movies. Their review of The Untouchables was split. Roger

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called it a respectable film that lacks the fire, the passion,

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and even the humor we might expect from this material.

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Jeene thought it was one of the best gangster movies

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he had seen in a long time. They both enjoyed

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Sean Connery's performance in the movie. Rotten Tomatoes gives it

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a Tomatometers score of eighty three percent, with a Popcorn

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Meter score of eighty nine percent. It also has an

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IMDb rating of seven point nine. So this takes us

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two additional thoughts and questions. What are some additional thoughts

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and questions we have about the untouchables?

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Speaker 2: Well thought I had was just the general idea of prohibition.

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I you know, I of course knew of it, and

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I just didn't know a lot about it. So I

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just looked it up real quick on Wikipedia, and it's

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just crazy the fact that this was a real thing

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for thirteen years. Man In our history, the Prohibition era

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was from the period of nineteen twenty nineteen thirty three,

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when the US prohibited the production, importation, transportation, and sale

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of alcoholic beverages. The alcoholic industry was curtailed by a

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succession of state legislatures, and prohibition was formally introduced nationwide

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under the Eighteenth Amendment, ratified on January sixteenth, nineteen nineteen.

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Prohibition ended with the ratification of the twenty first Amendment,

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which repealed the Eighteenth Amendment. In nineteen thirty three, a

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wide coalition composed of mostly Protestants prohibitionists first attempted to

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end the trade in alcoholic drinks during the nineteenth century.

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They aimed to heal what they saw as an ill

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society beset by alcohol related problems such as alcoholism, domestic violence,

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and saloon based political corruption.

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Speaker 1: And here's something interesting that I found about this too,

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because throughout the movie, we see Malone have a drink,

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we see Oscar have a drink, and you're like, ooh,

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they're breaking lag even totally. Ness tells the police do

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not take a drink. That actually was not illegal. You

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could drink as long as yours if you had alcohol

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when this band started, you could still drink it. You

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just couldn't buy it, sell it, or manufacture it. So

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whatever you had left you could finish, right, So what

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they were doing was not illegal. Huh. There you go.

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Anything else on thoughts and questions.

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Speaker 2: I just because I spoke a couple of times on

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the theatrical theatricality of this movie. I know this might

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sound out of left field, but I could see this

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as a theater production in musical form actually, and I

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think it could be pretty cool. And I'm surprised that

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I did not see that in the research, that it

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hadn't even been entertained as such. But I just think

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with Mammett's style, and obviously he is a playwright. It

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could be done, maybe not necessarily as a musical.

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Speaker 1: Yes, a musical Coon Capone, let's go get copon, we

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won't do it a love worthy Untouchables love it perfect?

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That's it sold. Yeah, I could see it being a play.

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Mm hmmm, yeah, yeah, let's go with that. It'd be

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interesting mull it over thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: But that's uh. I think that's pretty much all I got.

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We covered my other thoughts and questions earlier.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, I don't think I really have anything

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else for additional thoughts and questions. Jumping in rating already? Well,

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I know that seemed real quick, isn't it. Yeah, it

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is all right, So let's move on to our rating. So,

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on a scale of one to five police badges, what

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do you give the Untouchables? Like?

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Speaker 2: After just talking about this and I feel like this

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has just gone by way too fast. I feel like

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we could talk about this movie for days, probably just

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go through every single scene. This is up there, man,

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I'm going between four point five and five. I just

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don't know what to do here, because is it is

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it perfect? It's pretty pretty close to being one of

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the all time greats. I'm going for it. I'm going

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with five five badges, man, police badges, all the badges.

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I'm giving it all. I freaking love this movie. I

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just from beginning to end. I mean, it's just under

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two hours. It's got so many iconic moments. I love

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all the performances. Say what you will about Connerie's accent.

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It just I think is is is it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: What else can you say? Any Morricone score, The action

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is great. It's just so well shot and interesting to

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watch at all times.

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Speaker 1: It moves me. It's got a lot of levels.

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Speaker 2: I'm emotional at different points and real highs and lows

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where I literally want to just jump up to that

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sweeping score by Morricone.

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Speaker 1: And and you know, let's.

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Speaker 2: Go the set dressing the way it you know, Chicago

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looks in this film. I just there's really no downside

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to the Untouchables. It's an exhilarating movie and good guys

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winning the end. I'm happy that's true, good versus evil,

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and the good guys do win at the end. I'm

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giving this four and a half badges. Yes, the music

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is great. Our Untouchables are great. DeNiro, I don't know

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he he kind of.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. For some reason, he felt like it

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was in a different movie. At some points, you just

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feel I felt so separate. Yeah, it did feel like, hey,

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we have him for three days, let's just shoot his

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scenes and get him out of here, right, And then

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it was just that whole final confrontation thing. But this

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is a guy's guy movie. For great point, this is

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if you have a man cave, this poster should be

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down in your room. This movie certainly needs to be

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part of your collection. I really like Kevin Costerers betraying this.

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I know you know he was getting beat up, but

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I think it works. I just like all four of

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the Untouchable characters, and some great actions have pieces. It's

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a lot of fun. It should be spoken out more

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as fun action movies from the abies. And yes, it

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is one of the least historical movies that will probably

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cover that's supposed to be based on actual facts. It's

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just that doesn't bother me for this one. I don't

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know why. I do enjoy it a lot. It definitely

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deserves its high accolades. I don't know what Roger Ebert

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was watching.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not sure either. Not entirely agreement there with Roger.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you can't get them all right. Yeah, he's

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entitled to his opinion too, exactly. So that wraps up

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for the Streek's episode. Thank you so much for hanging

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out with us, We really appreciate it. If you enjoyed

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you would be, check out all hebesboomspodcast dot com for

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everything you need to know about the show. We'll catch

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you next time as we jump into another unfregettable gem

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f in the Greatest Decade of All Time to nineteen years.

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Until then, stay awesome and have an excellent day.

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Speaker 2: First rule of law enforcement, make sure when your shift

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is over, go home alive.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for staying up with us. Good night, Quarrel.