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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time.

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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Here is your host, DJ leaves.

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Speaker 4: Well, we get ready for what will be a very

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intriguing weekend all.

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Speaker 2: Over the globe.

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Speaker 4: We are worldwide on the Big Fight Weekend Preview podcast.

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I am merely the somewhat capable host TJ.

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Speaker 2: Reeves.

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Speaker 4: He is our insider Dan Rayphiel. He would like to

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he would like to let you know that he's all

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over the sport with his substack in his newsletter. Good

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to be with you, By the way, my friend is

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we're ready to embark. You're good, but you can't be

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in all these places at once. I mean, we got Norfolk, Virginia,

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we got Ipswich, England, we got Tokyo, Japan, we got

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Broad Beach, Australia and everywhere else in between. But I

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can't keep up with all of this. Good to be

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with you as we're ready to preview all of it,

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and we've got a lot more to go over, including Richardson.

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Hitchens is a guest on the pod. We've got some news,

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we've got some nostalgia. How are things busy?

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Speaker 1: Show, busy show? It's good right, You're better than not

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being by the way, you mentioned all those places that

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you have fights emanating from this weekend. It's not like

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the NFL or the NBA or Major League Baseball in

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other sports. It's a worldwide sport. That's what we love.

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Speaker 4: It is the reason it is and enough of this

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is staggered where we don't have it all on top

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of each other from Saturday afternoon to Saurday night and

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even now Sunday morning. Although the Japanese main event card

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that has Junto Nakatani and the Australian card which features

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the cruiserweight champ Jai Opataia similar time zone Australia and Japan,

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even though the main events may not be at the

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same time Sunday morning US time.

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Speaker 2: We'll see. But anyway, thank you for finding us.

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want to tell them? At the top, we are going

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to go what we're gonna go live. We will do

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it live Saturday night, Saturday, not Saturday Night Live, not SNL.

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After their fiftieth year, you and I will go live

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on the YouTube page exclusively Big Fight Weekend YouTube page.

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Nowhere else, not on Twitter x, not on any other platform.

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YouTube exclusive. We're live Saturday Night after the Top Rank

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main event, the Keyshan Davis main event. In that whole card,

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Dan saying, are we not going to talk about Fabio,

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Wordley and Hooney. Of course we'll talk about the heavyweights

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as well from earlier in the day in England.

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Speaker 2: That is what, Dan, That is what Saturday night. Say

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it again. It is live, live, live Saturday night.

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Speaker 4: When it's over, follow, subscribe on the YouTube page. We'll

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socially promote, but the only place to see it is

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live on the YouTube page Saturday with whatever happens.

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Speaker 2: All right, so let's get into it right there.

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Speaker 4: The Top Rank Show Norfolk, Virginia homecoming for key Shaan Davis.

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Keyshawn Davis and Edwin Delos Santos will battle for Davis's

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WBO lightweight title in the main event. Abdullah Mason is

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in the co feature fight. All right, We're excited to

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this card. It's the most prominent card in the United

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States obviously for this weekend. Give me a little more

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in the preview mode.

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Speaker 1: Please, Well, look, this is this is now a time

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where Kishan Davis is looking to continue what he's done,

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which he looked absolutely spectacular. Back in February when he

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won the world title against Denny's Brentchik, dominated won every round,

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knocked him out in the fourth round to claim that

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WBO title. Brentchick was undefeated going into that fight, was

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an Olympian, although an older Olympian than Kishan was. He

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had been in the Olympics, you know, several before him.

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But they were both undefeated, and I think most people

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expect a Kisha to win, but that Brentchick, because of

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his style, would give him some competition at least and

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it was a complete wipeout. So he is coming back

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just a few months later, four months later, which is

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obviously a good thing for any young fighter, and he

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is the star on the rise. He drew a huge

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crowd at the Scope Arena in Norfolk, his hometown, back

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in November when he fought Gustavu Lemos in a main

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event that was his first time fighting as a professional

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in his hometown. They went on the road and he

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did the title opportunity that took place in New York City,

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and now he comes home as the champion. He'll be

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on the card his brothers are also on the card,

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Calvin and Kean. You know, their very close family, and

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he has those guys on his shows for obvious reasons.

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They draw crowds also, and so he's making the first

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defense he's taken on Edwin de los Santos. Now, on

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the one hand, Edwin de los Santos is a dangerous puncher.

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He is a pretty good fighter. But the problem is

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most people remember him for his most recent fight, which

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was a long time ago. It feels like November of

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twenty twenty three. He has not fought since then, and

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if you remember, or you probably don't want to remember,

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if you saw it, that was when he challenged for

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the vacant WBC lightweight belt against Chaquurse Stevenson and turn

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in one of the most garbage performances in the history

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of profuit.

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Speaker 4: You've already said fight and challenged. That implies that he

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actually threw punches and did something. You're being very kind,

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Speaker 1: So that let's hope that was an anomaly. Neither Hey

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or chakor fought particularly well. But Cha course still beat

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him eight to four and seven to five, a unanimous decision.

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Just an absolutely horrible fight and let's see if he

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can put some punches together in Tekisha. And now, Kishan's

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a good defensive fighter. Also, he may not be at

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the same level as of course Stevens, and so there

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might be some more opportunities for him to take a

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Speaker 2: But can I tell you, can I just tell you, man.

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Speaker 1: He shows up to fight.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it's.

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Speaker 4: The cynic in me, but we're sitting here like for

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the fourth or fifth week in a row, where we

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expected Ryan Garcia and Devin Handy to look great and

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they look terrible. And we expected Josh Taylor to look

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great and you look pretty good at the beginning of

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the fight, and then he lost in Glasgow. And we

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expected cayleb Plant to look great with everything in front

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of him, and he was pretty good for the first

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half and then he looked terrible. Honest to god, is

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this a curse right now? I don't think so. With

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Keishaan Davis, but how do we know.

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Speaker 1: This was Edwin Dee Los Santos, who Yeah, you know,

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but don't do that again. Come to fight if you will,

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so be it. Obviously you know Keishaan is is a

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big time favorite, and the reason they even went with

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Edwin de los Santo was, quite frankly, it's not because

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he's some great shakes, is because if they were looking

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around who was available in the weight class, who was ranked,

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who could be in the fight, who had a decent record,

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who was available, et cetera, fit the budget, all that

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kind of stuff, that was very slim pickings to go

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to make For example, the Moritaia fight, he had a

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different lightweight title fight happening. Shakuor was not going to

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do that fight. He's obviously making much bigger money, tied

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up with Turkey and getting ready to do this A

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paid a mandatory and anyway you could go on down

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the rankings. You know, Cambosis left the division, This guy,

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you know, Lomachenko will get to his retirement. He is

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on the shelf. That wasn't happening. There was like a

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bunch of good names, right, but there was nobody available

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to fight Kishan and nobody really banging the drum to

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Speaker 4: So take care of business in front of the home

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crowd and move on from there. Have a big night

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in front of the home crowd. Let's see if he delivers.

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He's got power in both hands. R anxious to see

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Speaker 1: But one thing about De Lo Santo, he can hurt you.

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He's got that. That's his calling card. If he's gonna

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win the fight, he's got much just that's true, But

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he's not gonna outbox Kishan.

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Speaker 4: Was there more activity in the UH in the pre

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fight press conference on Thursday where Delo Santos put his

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hand You saw this and a lot of our peeps

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that are listening and the savages saw this. He put

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his hands on Kishawan's belt on his shoulder, and Kishan

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slapped his hand away and then shoved him away. Let's

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hope that's not the extent of the activity from Delo Santos.

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Speaker 2: I say sarcastically, I.

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Speaker 1: Would say that savior aggressiveness for win.

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Speaker 4: The parents all right on the immediate undercard, And it's

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Is to clarify for me, he is the co feature

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fight right, Go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Correct, yes, he's the co feature. Look, we all know

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about Abdullah Mason. If if you're a die hard enough

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that you're listening to our podcast, you know he's one

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of the best prospects. Some might call me you on

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contender at this point, he's only twenty one years old,

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he's eighteen and already with sixteen knockouts, and this has

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got to be considered at least a halfway decent step up.

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Nakatiya hasn't looked very good in recent fights. He doesn't

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really have big wins, so to speak, but he's been

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in the ring with good quality opponents in his bigger fights.

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title fight or an interim world title fight at one

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hundred and thirty pounds and lost a shutout one hundred

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and twenty two hundred and seven in all three score

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cards against of course Stevenson back in twenty twenty one.

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You know, he did finish off in many respects by knockout.

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Miguel Bertschall who was a former title holder, but that

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was a good win for him. And then he lost

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a couple fights in a row he got abused and

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stiffened and knocked out in the second round by Moretaya.

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stopped by him in the second round. You know, he's

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won three fights in a row since then, but against

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extremely limited opposition. So the point of this fight, it

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is Ken. The explosive and very aggressive Abdullah Mason, who

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got knocked down surprisingly twice in round one, but came

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back to finish his opponent off by a knockout. Is

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Kenn Abdullah Mason basically do the kind of performance that

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he fought, had those two guys fought against Nakatia that

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they were kind of up and coming prospects, and that's

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what Mason is now. So not to say that he

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isn't necessarily knocking out in the second round, but I

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think they're expecting that based on those results, to see

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him take care of Nakatia, and if Nakatia can win

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or do something impressive, obviously that will continue to help

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him continue his career, at least as an opponent if

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you will. But so that's the feat or the co

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it has still got to be considered a step up

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in opposition for Mason, who is obviously not yet ready

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to or at least most people don't think anyway to

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go and fight like the big boys that will come.

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It's just a matter of time. It's not if, it's

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just when. And this is one of those experience fights

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you need, halfway decent name that you need, kind of

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Speaker 2: See if it will happen.

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Speaker 4: And again another mention, we will go live Saturday night

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earlier in the day the heavyweights the vacant Here we

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Fabio Wardley and Justice Hooney the Australian. This is the

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I've seen both of these guys, all right, give me

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Speaker 1: Think this is gonna be a fun fight. That's the

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main thing why I say it every single time. We

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can preview every fight in the world. But to me,

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the most important thing. Am I going to sit back

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and watch this fight? And am I going to be entertained?

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And based on my experiences of having watched previous Fabia

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Wardley and Justice Hoony fights and knowing the stakes and

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knowing the crowd will be going absolutely crazy because they're

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fighting in a stadium that is in Fabio Wardley's hometown,

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I do believe it turn out to be entertaining. This

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is I don't believe going to be a heavyweight fight

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where guys are scared to throw punches or waltz around

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the ring and bore us all the tears for twelve rounds.

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So that's the first thing. Foremost. I give Honey a

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lot of credit. He's going halfway around the world. He's

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from Australia, no fear about going to England to fight

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this fight in the Lions. Then he took this fight

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on about a month's notice the original opponent that Wardley

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was supposed to face was Jeral Miller. Jero Miller withdrew

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because he claimed he had an injury, a shoulder injury,

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so he was out and it came down to the

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two fighters that they offered the fight to, both of

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whom accepted. One was Hoony, the other was Philip Herkovich.

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They ended up going with Hooney, and the reason, frankly

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as simple as this is he came at a cheaper price.

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We'll see if they were wise to not pay the

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extra money. If Wardley ends up getting upset and loses,

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you might question that decision. But nonetheless it's a good

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fight because putting aside the stupidity of the title involved.

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because he's got to chance to get himself in position

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with the WBA in terms of the title picture, and

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that will bring him more money and exposure. But if

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you take a look at what Wardley has done, it's

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really his last three fights that have sort of given

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him a lot of the at tension that he's gone.

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He had a really good performance in the end of

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twenty twenty three in Saudi Arabia and his British countryman

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David at Delier, both were undefeated and that was sort

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of a toss up kind of pick him fight. He

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went on there and did a tremendous job. He knocked

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at La out in the seventh round. He came back

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in March of twenty four and had a spectacular battle,

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a war of wars with Fraser Clark, his British countryman

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who had won a bronze medal in the twenty twenty

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Olympic Games. That was a hilacious fight. He did score

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a knockdown against Clark, but it wound up to be

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a draw. But then they had the immediate rematch again

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in Saudi Arabia. This was back in October. This was

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on the Better bev one undercard, and he didn't mess around.

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They had gone to a draw in twelve rounds the

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previous time. They get back in the ring for the

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rematch a few months a few months later and he

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knocked himut in the first round. And so those are

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the three you know that Delia fight in the back

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to back fights with Clark, and it puts him in

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this position against Hoony and Hooney. You know, first of all.

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The one thing about this is they're both basically the

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same size. They're both about six foot four, both around

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they're gonna be around two hundred and forty some pounds.

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Their measurements are the same. This is not like one

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crazy tall guy one much larger guy. So from a

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physical standpoint and matches up, Hooney has less professional experience.

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He's got twelve and zero record, whereas Worthy's got an

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eighteen year old record. But Wardley did not have any

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amateur background to speak of. He was doing like white

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collar boxing matches, that type of thing. Hooney was a

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decorated amateur when he was twenty years old. In one

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of the one of the tournaments to get to the

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twenty twenty Olympics, he went, you know, he did a

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solid job against Jalalov, who won back to back gold medals.

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He went to distance with him in that fight. He

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got knocked down, but it was it was competitive at

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points and that so my point is Jalov was the

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class of the super heavyweight division for years in the

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amateur ranks, two time gold medals, and Hooney, you know,

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was in the ring with him and the other top guys.

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Speaker 4: And and for what it's worth who These last three

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fights have all ended in the second round as second

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round t ko's and I remember we broke down back

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in January, his battle with someone named Sean pote Gate,

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Geeter Right or pot Geter.

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Speaker 1: But these guys are nobody's.

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Speaker 2: They weren't, they weren't really well known. But he's blasting

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the nobody's out.

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Speaker 1: That's what you're supposed to do with that.

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Speaker 4: And he's at least been active because this will now

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be what his fifth fight since March of last year.

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On the way up, big step up, going to the town.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still a baby as a problem, big moment,

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big moment.

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Speaker 1: He was twenty years old. So I look at more

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of what he did as an amateur than as a

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pro because, as you said, he's knocking these guys out,

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but these are just complete nobody's. This is like, this

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is the step up, This is this is the thing, A.

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Speaker 2: Big step up, huge at his place, at at Fraser or.

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Speaker 1: Frankly if you ask, if you ask me, I also

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happen to think that that this is a step up

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in some respects for Wardley, also because I I Fraser

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Clark was obviously it was a significant fight from the

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mere fact that he was a medal winner and he

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was his country in But Fraser Clark was in his thirties,

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Fraser Clark was not that big of an amateur, and

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since I don't think he was even expected to get

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a medal in the Olympics, and he's proven that he's

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not all that as a professional, and Adelia hasn't really

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done that was a good British level fight, Whoni is

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at a different level of my opinion. So I feel

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like both of these guys are putting on the line

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in this fight.

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Speaker 2: We look forward to that. And again that is Saturday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 4: Coming up here on the pod, you'll hear from Richardson

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Hitchens with Dan in a few moments. He's fighting George

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Cambosa's not this weekend, but June the fourteenth, next weekend.

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Speaker 2: Hear from him in a couple of moments. But wait,

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that's not all. We're still worldwide.

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Japan where it is Junto Nakatani and

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Nashida for the unified bantamweight titles WBC IBF bantamweight titles

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early Sunday from Tokyo. We obviously know we've talked about

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this several times, Nakatani in line, but the possibility of

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fighting down the road against the monster Naoya in a way,

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got to take care of business here.

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Speaker 2: What else here?

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Speaker 4: What about Nashida in this as well as a as

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a champion at one eighteen?

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Speaker 2: What else about this?

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Speaker 1: Well? I mean, this is a big opportunity for both guys.

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Anytime you can meet to unify, that's a big deal.

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And one of the things about Nakatani, he is already

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a decorated champion. He's on a lot of people's pounderful poundless,

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maybe towards the bottom end of it, but he's a

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dominating offensive machine lately, and then most of his fights

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doing spectacular work and knocking guys out and just you know,

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very fun fights. But he's won titles in three weight

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classes already. But in the lead up to this fight,

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one of the things that he's been talking about, which

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he's very happy about, is he's looked for an opportunity

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to finally unify the title. So for him, even though

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he's got the three titles already in other weight classes,

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for him, it's a really big deal to be able

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to unify the titles and Rosuki Nashida is not as

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experienced as a professional, but he is a champion. He

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did win the title in his last fight, so he's

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making his first defense, and you know, obviously he's going

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to be the heavy underdog. I've looked at the odds yet.

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I guess we'll get to that when we do our

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bet Us show. You know, Nakatani is already thirty and

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er Nashida's ten and two, and he won the belt

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in May of this year. I take this back. He's

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making a second defense of the title, but the guys

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he was fighting to win one was against Emmanuel Rodriguezo,

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was an established fighter. That was a good win. For

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the first defense that he did back in December was

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not against a guy that anybody ever had heard of.

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So now we step it up into what I consider

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the big leagues for the second defense against Nakatani. So

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of course Nakatani is a big favorite. The other thing

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that's interesting is if you look through the course of

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unification fights, since there's been multiple titles, whether it's a

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two belty or three belt or four belt, it has

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not been a normal thing for them to be Japanese

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fighters to meet in unification fights. So this is one

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of those rarities. But anytime Nakatani is fighting, I don't

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care who he's fighting. I'm very excited to see it.

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He looked spectacular in his last fight when he knocked

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out Kwaar. That was a devastating performance, knocked him on

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the third round. That was back in February. So these

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guys are back in the ring after you know, not

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long layoffs. And to me, again, nothing against Nashida, but

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but this is the type of fight that Nakatani should

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be heavily favored to win. And uh, and let's see

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what he can do because he is hopefully on a

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collision course before maybe the end maybe the end of

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this year, but probably not till some time at the

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beginning next year.

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Speaker 4: With in a way, can we say again, let's hear

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it for activity, because Nakatani has been in the ring

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since uh February of last year. This is going to

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be the fifth fight since February of last year, all

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title fights, all four of the previous fights KOs so

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let's hear it for activity.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, when you look at his recordj he's thirty

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oh with twenty three knockouts, so most guys are not

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here in that final belt, I mean, and he's got

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you know, he he want to think about Nakatani different

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than most of the Japanese champions. He does most of

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his training and sparring in the United States, so he

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gets top notch sparring. He works within the gym with

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Rudy Hernandez, a very well respected trainer, the older brother

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of the late great Genera Hernandez, you know. And he's

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an old school boxing guy, and he's had Nakatani pretty

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much since I think since almost the beginning of his career,

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and they do a tremendous shop together. But he gets

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the best sparring that you can get because there is

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no better place probably in the world to get top

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level sparring than southern California.

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Speaker 4: All right, So that is Sunday morning in Tokyo US

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times Sunday night obviously prime time. The teak in boxing

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ESPN plus will have it all right, so somewhere around

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that same time. Again, the time zones are kind of aligned.

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I don't know. I got to check my Broad Beach,

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Australia time zone versus my Tokyo time zone. But it's

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probably within an hour if it's not lined up perfectly.

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So this is Sunday night in Australia, Sunday morning.

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Speaker 2: Also in the.

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Speaker 4: US, Jai Opataya is back with his lineal and IBF

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Cruiserweight Championship on the line. Raphael, I lean on you,

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Claudio SQUAYO. I don't know that name. Is there any

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reason to know that name? That's the opponent, but go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well, just to back up about your timing, just so

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people know, the broadcast or the stream on ESPN Plus

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for the Japanese starts at four thirty am Eastern time

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on Sunday, and that's you know. I think they have

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three fights on the stream, the Opataia and Squale card

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on the Zone that debuts at three thirty am Eastern

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time on Sunday. So check your local listings. Anyways, First,

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I do know.

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Speaker 4: I just looked Broadbeach is fourteen hours ahead of US

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time this time of year with daylight savings time. Tokyo,

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as I suspected, is thirteen hours ahead right now, keep it.

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Speaker 2: Keep it, keep it straight people.

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Speaker 4: If you care about what time it is where, just

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know it's Sunday morning early in the United States. No

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matter what time zone you're in. In our country, it's early.

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Speaker 1: All you got to know is when it starts. Nobody

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gives a shit about the time zone.

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Speaker 4: Well, the other thing is with the zone or with

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ESPN plus. If you sleep a little bit and wake

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up on Sunday, Hey, if you go to church, whatever,

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it's right there on demand, And if you stay off

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the internet, it's new to you and you can watch

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the fight on demand that way too, as opposed to

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being up at o dark thirty. Then again, some of

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the savages just roll in at oh dark thirty and

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then watch the boxing.

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Speaker 2: We know how you operate. Anyway. Is this anything more

473
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,000
than essentially a stay busy KO situation for Opataia?

474
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 1: Well, I can't say. I mean, I don't know. I

475
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,720
don't know if he's gonna get a KO, But you

476
00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:13,720
know they're they're they're moving towards if they continue the

477
00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:16,799
plan that they had several months ago. The idea here

478
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,880
is for him to win this fight. You have Zerdo

479
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,000
Ramirez making his mandatory against dord Post that's on the

480
00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:26,240
Jake Paul Chavez pay per view, and if both of

481
00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:29,640
the guys come out with their belts, the idea was

482
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,839
for Golden Boy and Turkey and UH and Matt Room

483
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,319
and Tasman Fighters, all the different people involved with these

484
00:21:36,319 --> 00:21:39,599
two boxers to put them together to unify three of

485
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,720
the titles in the cruiserweight division. And they are clearly

486
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,440
the two best guys in the way class right now.

487
00:21:43,559 --> 00:21:46,440
That would obviously be a big time, very attractive fight.

488
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,920
So Zerto has got his fight coming up, and Opatai,

489
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,359
there's no reason for him to sit around. He can

490
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,000
draw a nice crowd at home.

491
00:21:52,319 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

492
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Speaker 1: This fight was supposed to take place on May thirteenth,

493
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,279
but Opataia suffered what they termed a minor injury and

494
00:21:58,279 --> 00:22:00,519
they pushed it back a few weeks. So clearly he's

495
00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,000
okay because a fight he's still happening. I don't think,

496
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,400
oh the injury to my recollection. He had like a

497
00:22:05,519 --> 00:22:10,000
very mild strain of his calf and so they had

498
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,319
arrested for a little bit. But anyway, the fight's happening.

499
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,960
And you know, Squao has got an undefeated record, but

500
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,720
he's thirty four, he's never fought outside of Italy. I

501
00:22:18,759 --> 00:22:20,880
looked at his record TJ when they made his match

502
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,839
to see what he was all about. And when I

503
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,079
tell you that he never fought a remotely notable opponent,

504
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,000
I mean he never fought a remotely notable opponent. So

505
00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:30,039
you know, but credit to the guy. He's going on

506
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:32,920
the road to Australia to take on the guy that

507
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,799
I think anybody with any clue about what's up in

508
00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:38,160
boxing would consider it. Opataia to be the number one

509
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,680
cruiserweight in the the IVF champion, he is the lineal champion.

510
00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:43,039
He's been knocking everybody out.

511
00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:45,079
Speaker 2: He's looking really he can punch.

512
00:22:45,519 --> 00:22:48,559
Speaker 1: He's in front of his home home crowd in this

513
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,400
particular fight like he was previously. But he's, like I said,

514
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,240
he doesn't know how to lose, Like he's seventeen and

515
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,119
oh with nine knockouts. But Opataia is the best in

516
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,920
the business. He's right now. I feel like as a cruiseweight,

517
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,599
he's right there at his best. He's twenty nine years old,

518
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,319
he has designs like every cruisewight it was ever probably

519
00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:07,920
put on the gloves to someday be a heavyweight. No

520
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,720
doubt in my mind that if he can get this

521
00:23:09,799 --> 00:23:11,960
fight taken care of, if he can maybe get the

522
00:23:12,079 --> 00:23:14,799
Zero Ramirez fight, Unifi I think there's a really good

523
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,000
chance that sometime next year we'll see him debut at heavyweight.

524
00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:19,559
But first comes first.

525
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,400
Speaker 4: All right, good stuff on all of the previews. Let's

526
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,240
get to your conversation now with the IBF Junior Welterweight Champion.

527
00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:33,079
That's Richardson Hitchins. He battles George Cambosa's coming up in

528
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,640
New York. Not this weekend, next weekend June fourteenth, at

529
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,759
the Madison Square Garden Theater. So Dan caught up with

530
00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:43,039
him one on one. Let's hear that conversation right now.

531
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: Well, it is my great pleasure to welcome to our

532
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,480
podcast this week a first time guest on the podcast.

533
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,960
It's the IBF Junior Welterweight world Champion, Richardson Hitchins. And Richie,

534
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,000
you have an important fight coming up, your first title

535
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:57,880
defense if you're taking on George Campbosa's junior, the former

536
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,319
lightweight champ. You'll fight in the main event of the

537
00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:02,599
matchroom card on his own at the Madison Square Guard

538
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,920
Dinner June fourteenth. Welcome to the show. Thank you very

539
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:06,640
much for doing this.

540
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you very much for having me.

541
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,039
Speaker 1: It's my pleasure. Before we get into the fight with George.

542
00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:13,759
I wanted to just talk a little bit about your fight.

543
00:24:13,799 --> 00:24:15,680
When you won the title, you became a world champion.

544
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,240
Go back to December and you scored a decision victory

545
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,960
over Liam Parum. It was a big step up for you,

546
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,759
it seemed to me based on the opponents you had

547
00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:26,720
faced previous to that. He was the champion, he was

548
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:30,000
twenty five. And oh, tell me about your confidence going

549
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,000
into that fight, because anybody that follows you knows that

550
00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:34,119
you exude confidence.

551
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 5: I knew he was it on my level, and I

552
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:39,400
knew that a lot of a lot of the people

553
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,519
were looking like, oh, you know, he lost the first

554
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:44,880
four rounds or something like that, and his coach woke

555
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,319
him up.

556
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 3: You look at the fight even a rounds that I

557
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,759
was losing in the early rounds, I wasn't even getting.

558
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:51,119
Speaker 5: Hit, and I felt like, you know, Liam Parrol was

559
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,640
knowing I love. I felt like he was a novice

560
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,440
fighting compared to me. And I think that in that

561
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,640
fight I showed that, you know, I, once I took

562
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,160
the data that I need to take in it was

563
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,799
easy work. And I don't think he went a round

564
00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:04,359
from third round up and up.

565
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,799
Speaker 1: So when the fight was over and you heard it

566
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,079
to split decision. How surprised you are because, like you said,

567
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,240
I thought, you know, he he did well early. It

568
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,759
took you a few rounds to settle in, but eventually

569
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:18,440
it was pretty much all hitchins.

570
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that, you know, it ain't no surprise

571
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:23,039
that happened to me.

572
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 5: For what theous men fight, it was literally two judges

573
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,799
had it literally like I think gae win is maybe

574
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,440
at most was two rounds and a whole judge told

575
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,279
another judge had me winning at most only two rounds.

576
00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:37,119
So in boxing, I just feel like with things like

577
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,119
that happen, and scorecards like that happened, they needed to

578
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,319
be somebody like watching and you know, like paying attention

579
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,400
to saying why was your scorecard thiss or what's this?

580
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,000
Because you know, judges could you know, can mess up

581
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,519
a whole fight or life, you know, doing with the

582
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:53,680
wrong decision. I don't think that that's okay for the

583
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,839
sport and I think that it's fucked up.

584
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: But God, wouldn't you know the judges the other two

585
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:00,640
you just had to right.

586
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,839
Speaker 5: And what's crazy about it was one of them was

587
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,039
the Australian judge that scored it for me too.

588
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, so when you heard and the new IBF champion,

589
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:13,200
that's the moment that every young fighter dreams about. Can

590
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,319
you tell me or remember what it was like when

591
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,240
you heard that those words that every every boxer wants

592
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:18,519
to hear.

593
00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 5: It was so real. It was like whoa, we did it.

594
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,960
Like it's like, yo, we did it. It's a great feeling,

595
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,480
you know, because it takes doubts. It's more of a now,

596
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,480
it's more of a it's more of a knowing.

597
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 3: In your head. It's like the for your first national tournament,

598
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,480
you don't know if you can win it.

599
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:35,279
Speaker 5: And you win your first national and you go to

600
00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:37,400
the second and third nationals, it's like, yeah, I know

601
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,160
what to do to win this. Like you know how

602
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,000
it feels to go to a tournament, you know what

603
00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:42,480
it feels to compete on that level.

604
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,039
Speaker 3: Now, So I think that that's just all of this.

605
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 5: It's just about you know, knowing what it takes to compete.

606
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,079
And boxing is levels. You know, you got your first

607
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,319
TV fight, might fight, your first undefeated fighter, first world

608
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,119
title fight. Then you go on and obviously and then

609
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:58,559
then you get to a level of boxing where a

610
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:00,640
fight is just a fight, and.

611
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: Well, you're checking all those boxes that you mentioned. You've

612
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,359
done those settings, and now you're about to check another box.

613
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,400
This is gonna be your first world title defense, so

614
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:10,920
that that's always a big mark on anybody's career. But

615
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,160
not only is it your first defense, but you're gonna

616
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,319
be doing this at home in New York. You're a

617
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,200
Brooklyn kid. You're fighting in Madison Square Garden Theater.

618
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:18,799
Speaker 3: Uh.

619
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: You fought a plenty of your fights in New York

620
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,240
through your career. I saw you many of your early

621
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,559
fights at Barclay Center, those types of fights when you

622
00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:28,319
were coming up. But now you're the You're you're the

623
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,799
A side, you're the main event, you're defending the title.

624
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:32,480
Can you tell me a little bit about what it

625
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,000
means to you to have gone through the road that

626
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:36,839
you just talked about and now get to the point

627
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,480
where you're not only defending a title but doing it

628
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:41,200
in the main event at home.

629
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 3: It feels great. Uh, you know, defendom my title at home.

630
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,960
You know, just long road, long long road.

631
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,279
Speaker 5: I'm gonna going to a Barkiy Center seeing Danny Jacobs,

632
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,799
Adrian Brona, Tank Davis. You know in a Barkby Center

633
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,960
headline of big cards in New York. You know, then

634
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,039
to the current time when you had guys like Edgar

635
00:28:04,039 --> 00:28:09,000
Blinga bringing headlines to New York City, and then every

636
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,480
time there was a big fight in New York, I'll

637
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,759
be like, damn, I can't wait to be the headline.

638
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,200
But then I would have never doubted my first headline

639
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,200
in New York wild as the world champion bringing the.

640
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,599
Speaker 3: Title back home. That's like even bigger for me.

641
00:28:19,799 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 5: And I feel like the city, you know, the city

642
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,680
haven't had a world champion and so long, and for

643
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,160
me to be a world champion, I am, I'm from

644
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,119
New York. I'm really I'm really a New Yorker. I'm flamboyant.

645
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,920
You know, I got charisma, you know. So I think

646
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,079
that it's even It brings even more energy and more

647
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:39,920
uh more spark to the fight fans from New York.

648
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,680
So I think it's big for me. You know, it's

649
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:44,880
uh just to just to see everybody. A lot of

650
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,440
people that doubted me, a lot of people that you know,

651
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,799
overlooked me, didn't really think I would get to I

652
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:51,119
was getting to. But the people that knew talent, the

653
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,519
people that knew what I was capable of and what

654
00:28:53,839 --> 00:28:57,079
my potential. They're not surprised, but it's just finally, you know,

655
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:58,480
we're here, let's part, let's celebrate.

656
00:28:58,559 --> 00:28:59,039
Speaker 3: So it's big.

657
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:01,759
Speaker 1: How hard is it going to be to sort of

658
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:05,599
keep your emotions under control in the circumstances You're you're

659
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:07,599
you know you're. I don't think it's a secret to

660
00:29:07,599 --> 00:29:09,079
say you're a little bit of an emotional guy in

661
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,640
terms of like you're outspoken and you don't have a

662
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,880
problem speaking your mind. But when it comes to fight night,

663
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,599
you know, you got to kind of control the emotions.

664
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,359
How is he going to do that?

665
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,079
Speaker 3: You know?

666
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: Given how excited you are about the the scenario of

667
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,640
being at home and defending the title.

668
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:24,799
Speaker 3: Being in the ring is being in the ring, and

669
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:29,119
I'm I think three steps ahead. It ain't. This ain't

670
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,720
a do a dom moment.

671
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 5: There'll be another time to headline and another big fight,

672
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,079
another time, another time. So it's just another day of boxing.

673
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:41,240
This is a small card, it's not that big. It's

674
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:44,240
not a big opponent. Is a title of defense. George

675
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,640
Campbos's I'm training extremely hard, but it's not a crazy

676
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:48,559
moment for me.

677
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,319
Speaker 3: It's not a.

678
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:53,079
Speaker 5: It's not a fucking like Yankee Stadium eighty thousand, but

679
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,240
like the belts on the line, hundred million Turkey giving

680
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:58,759
me the gold gold belt like and to me, it's like,

681
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,119
I know, I'm I know the places I'm going to

682
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:02,720
another day, another dollar.

683
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: So you mentioned about sort of at some points in

684
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,559
your career, a lot of people didn't know you, maybe

685
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,359
overlooked you. You had been a little bit inactive. Even

686
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,119
when you were boxing with PBC, it wasn't in the

687
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,960
higher profile type of cards, or at least in terms

688
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,400
of your exposure on those cards. In twenty twenty two,

689
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,640
when you guys parted ways with PBC and you went

690
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,759
and you signed with your manager, Keith Connolly, he brought

691
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,400
you to Eddie Hearn. You guys did a deal there

692
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:30,799
and ever since then, you know, you've been pretty active

693
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,000
relatively speaking. You've been fighting your two fights a year,

694
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,519
You've gotten exposure, you've gotten obviously the opportunity to fight

695
00:30:36,599 --> 00:30:39,000
for the title. You won the title, And I'm wondering

696
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,119
what is it meant that linking up with Keith Man,

697
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,720
because to me, it seems like that really changed the

698
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:47,400
trajectory of your career in terms of getting not only

699
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,000
opportunity but exposure.

700
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:50,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it tain'ted my career.

701
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,279
Speaker 5: It was a move I wish I would have did

702
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,400
a year earlier or two years earlier before that. But

703
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,359
everything happens for a reason. You know a lot of

704
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,839
people around the New York area is something you need

705
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:01,759
to with Keith Conley. You need to get with Keith Conley.

706
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: And I see the things he.

707
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 5: Was doing, you know, Edgar Balinga heard about his track

708
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,920
See with Danny Jacobs, and I just always need a

709
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,119
level I was on. So I said to myself, if

710
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,000
he could do that with those fighters, I couldn't imagine

711
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,920
what me and him could do together. And I told

712
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,079
he told me, we need some time to catch up.

713
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,920
We're gonna get you a few fights, and we're gonna

714
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,160
bring some structure to your career.

715
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna and I'm gonna get on my job. You

716
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:26,519
do as long as you do your job.

717
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 5: This is what Uh, this is the plan, and everything

718
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,960
is going accorder as plan. I think that uh, he's

719
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,160
a manager, that he's he's about his business. He's uh,

720
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,680
he's a shrewd businessman. And I'm a hard work and

721
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,720
I'm a talented special fighter. So I think the things

722
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,039
that we could do in the support the box and

723
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,119
built on the business side, and as far as you know,

724
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,640
the legacy side, I think it's gonna be major. So

725
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:52,440
I'm just excited for I'm just excited for you guys

726
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:55,759
to sit back and just watch. And all he said

727
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:58,240
to me that you know you're not having some time

728
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:00,720
to catch up to your peers, but to catch up

729
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,279
we take off. So now this is the point where

730
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:06,640
I'm building by my resume. I'm building my portfolio to

731
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,240
catch up with the til femos and Devin Haynes, the

732
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:13,519
guys that been here before me. And yeah, once I

733
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:15,680
get once, once, once I get to that even playing

734
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:17,240
field with them, and my name is just as big

735
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:17,599
as them.

736
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: It's lit.

737
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,599
Speaker 1: So you you mentioned about you're fighting cambosis. You said, oh,

738
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,640
it's not that big of a fight, you know. Uh,

739
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,920
And and I just wonder you've been outspoken about cambosis.

740
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,200
You guys have had plenty of back and forth with

741
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:33,279
each other on your social media and in the build

742
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:33,880
up to the fight.

743
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 5: Uh.

744
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: I get the feeling, you know, you kind of don't

745
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:38,480
like each other. George has always been a guy to

746
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:41,519
talk about his opponents. What is it?

747
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:41,799
Speaker 3: Uh?

748
00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: What is it that annoys you about him? What is it?

749
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:44,599
Speaker 3: What is it?

750
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: Is it more than just hyping up the fight?

751
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,519
Speaker 5: Nah? I just feel like he just think like I'm

752
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:51,640
just like a regular guy. I don't like when fighters

753
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,680
like try to downplay me, downplay my skills. I take

754
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:55,440
that very personal.

755
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: So I think that he don't know what's in front

756
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,359
of him, and I think.

757
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 5: That it's not about the crowd or da da da,

758
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,440
Like I'm gonna make a movie on him, like I'm

759
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,519
gonna sho if George campbos Is, if he don't come

760
00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:09,240
in there and prove that he's on an elite level

761
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,359
of box and if he don't come in there, I

762
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,920
Am going to show him that he's a fucking bum.

763
00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:16,359
Speaker 3: And I believe he's a bum. So if he's the

764
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,519
guy that I'm watching on TV, he's the guy that

765
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,640
I'm seeing as a front of Devin Haines.

766
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,119
Speaker 5: If he comes in as that same guy, it's going

767
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,279
to be a messy nightment and I can guarantee that.

768
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: So he's back in the same building at the theater

769
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,160
where he scored his biggest win when he became the

770
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,279
unified lightweight champion against tia Fimo in a huge upset.

771
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:37,119
That was back in twenty twenty one. He hasn't really

772
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,200
done anything since then, to be honest, I mean, I

773
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,960
got nothing against George, but he's two and three since then,

774
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,519
A lot of folks would say he's one and four

775
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:45,359
because a lot of people thought he lost that fight

776
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,039
against Hughes. He got wiped out two times by Haney,

777
00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:50,079
who you mentioned. He got knocked out in a one

778
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,480
sided fight by Lomachenko. He's had one lower level win

779
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:54,920
at one hundred and forty, and I wonder do you

780
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,519
think he even deserves to fight for the world title

781
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,440
because he hasn't really done anything at one forty and

782
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:02,720
the end of his days at one thirty five were

783
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:04,079
certainly nothing to write home about.

784
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: Kim Bo has been a bum before that, he's been

785
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,920
a bum. He's he beat to a female, Lopez to

786
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,320
a femal. Opez is a talented fighter. Like I said before,

787
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,559
he's a talented fighter, but IQ wise, it's not It's.

788
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: How I look at boxing. You got guys that if

789
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,719
I have two little kids.

790
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 5: Walking to the gym right now, and I tell him

791
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,159
both to throw one two, one might throw it faster,

792
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,480
one might throw it slow, one might throw it fast

793
00:34:28,519 --> 00:34:28,920
and harder.

794
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 3: One might throw a slower slower and and and not

795
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:34,599
that hard. That don't mean the other fighter is a

796
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:35,039
better fighter.

797
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 5: Just mean that fighters is a talented fire to a

798
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:39,719
female show, he's a talented fighter with boxing experience. But

799
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,480
as far as IQ, as far as the ship that

800
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:44,400
he needs, as far as the ship that he he

801
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,039
he needs to like compete at a high high level

802
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:48,280
of boxing, he don't have that.

803
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: He showed that since the amateur days.

804
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 5: If you got as if your guy at, if your

805
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:58,400
guy at, like any guy at, is not me, He's not.

806
00:34:58,519 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: No, he's not, he's not.

807
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 3: It's too differ.

808
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 5: Styles two different to my body type, my arm, reach,

809
00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:07,880
my speed, my like tell female is an athletic, twitchy,

810
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:10,119
fast dude and talented.

811
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:12,519
Speaker 3: He's not me. He's not me.

812
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 5: And I noticed for a fact, if you know boxing,

813
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:16,960
it's not I can make a fight look way easier

814
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,400
than to your female can. And if you know boxing,

815
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,800
you you would agree. But if for the people that

816
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,880
don't know, I'll just show them it is what it is.

817
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,800
You know, like in boxing, fighters like you gotta prove

818
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,119
they so you know, people will listening, like, all right,

819
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:33,760
he says this. He says that until you get to

820
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,920
the canelos in the Maywether level, then it's like, oh okay,

821
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:38,320
this guy's been saying this for years. I mean he's

822
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,079
not lying when he say this. But female and me

823
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:43,559
is not the same. For us, I'm I'm a way

824
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:44,800
better boxing than to female.

825
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,639
Speaker 1: Well, since you think you're gonna win this fight so easily,

826
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:50,679
I know that you have aspirations for bigger fights. There

827
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,079
was some conversation before this match was made between yourself

828
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:57,639
and Cambosas about you fighting against Femo. He's the champion

829
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,559
in your division. He has a WBO title, he's the champion.

830
00:36:00,559 --> 00:36:03,400
You've got the IBF title. You are both with Keith

831
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,760
Conneley as your management. Is that a fight that you

832
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,039
want down the road, or like, what are your aspirations

833
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,320
for the so called big fight? You know at one

834
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,559
hundred and forty pounds.

835
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: He has plans right now.

836
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 5: I definitely want to unify with one forty champions and

837
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,760
then I want to look at one forty seven. Oh,

838
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,199
if I get a big fight, I want to go

839
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,039
to one forty seven. I don't want to stay have

840
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:28,039
one forty too long, especially with the IBF. I don't

841
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,559
want to hold onto the IVF too long. So I

842
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,079
just want to make the best out the belt and

843
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:36,559
go up to one forty seven and grab a strap

844
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:39,760
up there and uh, you know, make big fights up there.

845
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,039
But right now, it's just one fight at a time.

846
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,320
And George camp Bos is the guy in front of me,

847
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,480
so just a guy we gotta get, you know, passed.

848
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:49,159
Speaker 1: When you say you don't want to keep the IBF belt,

849
00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:51,519
you specified the sanctioned body. I know there have been

850
00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:54,199
champions of the IBF. The one thing that they don't like.

851
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,320
They love having the world title obviously, but they don't

852
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,280
like that Saturday morning or the day of the fight. Wait, check,

853
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,480
that's a ten pound limit.

854
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: Is that?

855
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:03,559
Speaker 1: Is that why you say that about the idea?

856
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, they need to change that ship.

857
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: So if you fight a unification fight, they waive that. Yeah,

858
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,960
So is that is that one of the reasons that

859
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,480
you'd love to unify? You got other good champions that

860
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:17,960
Wake Lass is fighting coming up in July against Mattias

861
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,920
who was a former champion. Got the very talented Gary

862
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,199
Antoine Russell with the WBA title. Anybody though, any of

863
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:25,679
those guys tickle your fancy.

864
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,519
Speaker 3: Any of them guys.

865
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 5: Femo is definitely the more high profile fight, the more

866
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,159
easier fight to make because he's with Keith Conley also,

867
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:37,840
and you know with Turkey now anything is possible.

868
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,119
Speaker 3: So maybe after this.

869
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:43,519
Speaker 5: Fight the win a Playo and Matias. Uh, we'll see

870
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:45,440
what Russell has a title defense. I think he has

871
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:48,599
coming up with the Asian guy, so or I mean

872
00:37:48,639 --> 00:37:51,760
I'm hearing Femo has you know, other plans with other fighters,

873
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,280
or we'll just do another defense or you know, well,

874
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,719
I don't know, so right now, I can't think too

875
00:37:58,880 --> 00:37:59,280
too much.

876
00:37:59,320 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: I got a box.

877
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,599
Speaker 5: I gotta box George campbos Is on June fourteenth, and

878
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,880
after theam is done boxing. Uh, we'll figure out what's

879
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,840
the next who the next guy they'll put in front

880
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:09,079
of us?

881
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,599
Speaker 1: All right, So just to wrap it up then, with

882
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,639
the fight coming up against camp Boss, you've said that

883
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,719
he's a bum. Basically, you've said that you're gonna beat

884
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,880
them easily. I wonder you put yourself in a little

885
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,639
bit of a corner, or even if you go out

886
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:21,559
there and you win the fight, but maybe it's close,

887
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:24,039
maybe maybe it's not so dominant. Maybe you have a

888
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:25,920
little bit of a rough moment that you'll get to

889
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,280
win and still be a champ, but you'll emerging that

890
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,320
where people might downgrade you because you didn't live up

891
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,199
to the big boasts that you're making leading into the fight.

892
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 5: I believe every fight that I fut as a professional,

893
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,920
I'll dominated even in the fight. I think the only

894
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,480
fight that I haven't completely dominate is the Gustavo Lemos fighting.

895
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 3: And if you look at if you really.

896
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 5: Watch that fight, if you really watch that fight from

897
00:38:45,639 --> 00:38:48,760
fourth round all the way up to the seventh, seventh,

898
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,320
and eighth before that hiccup, they were saying, hitching is

899
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,360
starting to dominate this fight, as the words the commentator

900
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,239
is used in almost obviously calling me with the big

901
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,000
shot in at eighth and he got to say he

902
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:01,519
pulled hisself back into the fight where he took the

903
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:02,559
momentum away from me.

904
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: So I believe in my skill.

905
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,159
Speaker 5: I believe in my skills, and I believe most all

906
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:09,280
my professional fights I put on dominant performances. Lily and

907
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,880
perrow fight, they said I was losing from the fourth

908
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:13,440
rounding up, it was pure domination.

909
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 3: So I believe that with George camp Boss.

910
00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 5: I erased them mistakes I've made in them fights where

911
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,159
I did lose the momentum for me dominating and I

912
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:25,440
stay consistent, I will dominate him. So I think that

913
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:29,039
at the end of the day, Yeah, it can uh.

914
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,519
Obviously me talking like that can fuck fuck uh you know,

915
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,800
fuck my stock up. But if I didn't say anything

916
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,679
about George kmp bos and I was just playing on

917
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:41,119
just you know, just not doing interviews and just you know,

918
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,519
keeping the platonic, people still would have had to say

919
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:44,679
what they were saying. They were like, you know, he's

920
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,920
he's definitely can't beat the other one forty champions, he

921
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,760
struggled with George camp Boss camp Boss two and.

922
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,519
Speaker 3: Four in his last they would have did the station

923
00:39:51,559 --> 00:39:53,960
ship regardless. So to me, it's like why not talk shit?

924
00:39:54,039 --> 00:39:56,280
It's like fuck it, like I've been the people.

925
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 5: The people don't like me anyway because I've talked shit

926
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,119
in the past, So me not talking about Cambos's don't

927
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:03,679
erase if I have a bad performance with him or not.

928
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,599
Speaker 3: So it is what it is.

929
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: Well, Richie, I enjoyed the trash talk. For me, it's

930
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,599
always amusing to me. I appreciate Uh, I can appreciate it.

931
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:12,280
I appreciate the trash from George. Also, he makes it

932
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:14,639
makes it fun. I wish you the best of luck

933
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,079
in the fight coming up June fourteenth. Rite, thank you

934
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:18,800
very much for the time, and good luck to you.

935
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,360
Mother man, thank you, appreciate you.

936
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 4: All right, a little outspoken. Hitchins has obviously got the opportunity. Cambosis. Look,

937
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,039
let's be honest. Cambosis had the big moment. We've talked

938
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:33,159
about this before with Tea Fimo Lopez and beat him.

939
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,000
But in the biggest fight since then, he hasn't won

940
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,639
any of him and Loma Chenko tore him up. All right,

941
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,480
So but this is probably more about Hitchins. So a little,

942
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,199
a little, uh, a little more after talking with richardson

943
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:47,280
Hitchins as you did, Dan.

944
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,679
Speaker 1: This is all about Hitchins. I mean, he's the one

945
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,079
that went on in the interview people heard, and I

946
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:54,400
think there was multiple moments in that interview with called

947
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,320
Kimbos as a straight out bumble and now it's time

948
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:58,000
to be came back.

949
00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:01,039
Speaker 4: Not exactly ideal for promoting selling tickets, but every di

950
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:01,960
rest go ahead.

951
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it made me think back in the day when

952
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,960
I was covering Artaro Gaddi against Floyd Mayweather, and Floyd

953
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,599
Mayweather spent the entire promotion calling Artaro Gatti a sea

954
00:41:09,679 --> 00:41:11,880
or a C plus fighter. Like then, why would anybody

955
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,480
want to buy your paper if you tell us you're

956
00:41:13,519 --> 00:41:15,719
fighting a bump? But this is not a pay per view.

957
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,840
Richardson Hitchins is a is an outspoken guy. I enjoy

958
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,559
his personality, but this is to see what he can do.

959
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,679
And this is again he's fighting, at least a guy

960
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,920
with a decent name. He called him a bum, and

961
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,719
now it's up to him to show that what he

962
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,400
said is true. And if George Camboss can you know,

963
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,360
do anything against him, it will prove him wrong. But

964
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,960
Richards and Nichin knows how to play the promotional game.

965
00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: All right.

966
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:41,519
Speaker 4: So that fight again next Saturday the fourteenth in New York.

967
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaking of the silly Lomachenko, the news out this week

968
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,519
that Lomachenko has decided to retire. Does anybody ever truly

969
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,159
retire in boxing? Will take him at his word for now,

970
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,039
there's obviously circumstances with him, especially being thirty seven, being

971
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,760
part of war torn Ukraine, as he has been with

972
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,719
his fighting career.

973
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,559
Speaker 2: All right, Dan, but what do you make of this news?

974
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:06,199
And let's talk a little bit about his career.

975
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,159
Speaker 1: If this is it as retirements in boxing, go. If

976
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:13,320
I'm one to believe boxing retirement, I one hundred percent

977
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,719
believe this retirement. Lumachenko, I do not believe is coming back.

978
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:20,000
He is done. The man had three hundred and ninety

979
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,800
seven amateur fights. He went three hundred and ninety six

980
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,000
and one the one loss. He avenged twice. He won

981
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:29,079
two Olympic gold medals. He had a brilliant professional career,

982
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:32,159
made millions of dollars finishes eighteen and three, was a

983
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,840
dominating fighter for a long period of time during that

984
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,599
he walks away as a world champion. He'll vacate the

985
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:40,559
IBF title that he won a year ago by one

986
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:45,199
sided ass kicking knockout against Cambosis on on Cambosa's turf

987
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,920
in Australia. I might had and you know, he struggled

988
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,719
with what he wanted to do. Part of it I

989
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,440
think was what he wanted. If he wanted to go

990
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,159
through does the whole training process. He remember when he

991
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:57,800
fought to cambosas fight he made this was not a secret.

992
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,880
He did a first father who you know, his beloved father,

993
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,079
anatoly tremendous trainer, worked with a lot of the top

994
00:43:03,199 --> 00:43:06,119
Ukrainian fighters on their Olympic team, and guys like Usik

995
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:10,159
and Baronchek and and Loma and and Vodzik and others.

996
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,320
And so his father was like, let's do it one

997
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,679
more time. And he won the title again. And I

998
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,440
don't know how motivated he was. And then he suffered

999
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,960
an injury to his back and that that that kind

1000
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,559
of sapped him a little bit. You mentioned he's got

1001
00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:24,360
a lot going on in terms of in his mind

1002
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,960
with the family and the war and everything that he

1003
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,400
does spend most of his or not most, I shouldn't say,

1004
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,039
but a lot of his time. He has a place

1005
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:32,239
that he spends with his family in southern California. But

1006
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,760
I remember this is a guy that also Staw has

1007
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,679
a plenty of family in Ukraine. When the when the

1008
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,559
war started, he gave up his career for almost a

1009
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:41,960
year and joined one of the territorial defense battalions the

1010
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,679
same way that Usig did. And I just think that

1011
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,280
it gets to a point where you're done. Now, it's

1012
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,360
unfortunate we never saw the Tank Davis fight. He was

1013
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,920
calling Tank out a few years ago, and you know,

1014
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:53,320
he was in the Floyd Mayweather protection program back at

1015
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,960
the time, and Floyd wouldn't let him aywhere near it.

1016
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,239
And then when Tank was finally ready to do the fight,

1017
00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,920
and they were calling him out when Loma was old

1018
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,159
and they thought they could get a name on their record.

1019
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,760
They were in deep discussions and they were ready to

1020
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,360
make that fight between Top Rank and PBC, and then

1021
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,440
Loma basically said, look, stop the negotiations. I'm taking the

1022
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,199
rest of twenty twenty four off and then he ended

1023
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,320
up suffering the injury. Now he got a medical exception

1024
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,679
to the mandatory that he had with the IBF that

1025
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,840
was not going to be due now until October. So

1026
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,559
that's why we saw a few weeks ago Murataya take

1027
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,159
on Zaa Abdallah for the interim title, and then the

1028
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:29,400
winner of that fight would be the obligated opponent for

1029
00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:31,480
Loma to fight in his next fight back, and he

1030
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:33,280
wanted to keep the belt. I mean, he guess he

1031
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,239
could have still made the you know, some other fight

1032
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,400
if he wanted to, but in the end he'll vacate,

1033
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,159
Murtaia will be elevated to the full champion of the

1034
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,960
IBF and Loma can walk off into the sunset. He's

1035
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,639
got absolutely nothing to look back on him. He had

1036
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:47,440
a great, great career.

1037
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,519
Speaker 4: I was gonna say I would put him in on

1038
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:52,960
the first ballot, but I don't vote. You vote, you

1039
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:54,960
believe he should be automatic.

1040
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: I don't have to go back and when I vote

1041
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,199
in all of fame, take time to go and look

1042
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,519
at the records and just make sure I'm not like

1043
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,559
misremembering or that I'm accurate about what I'm thinking. In

1044
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:09,119
terms of a person's career, I don't need to do

1045
00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:12,559
that with Lomachenko. I was at of his twenty what

1046
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,960
twenty one professional fights. I covered twelve of them at ringside.

1047
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:20,039
I'm as familiar with Vasilli Lomachenko's career as anybody. This

1048
00:45:20,199 --> 00:45:24,920
is a fighter that dominated he he this is this

1049
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:27,800
is one of my favorite stories about Lomachenko. He was

1050
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,920
never about the money. Yeah, he made a lot of money,

1051
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,679
and it wasn't like he wanted to be underpaid, but

1052
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,079
it was never the driving force. His driving force was

1053
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,440
I want top opponents, I want belts when he was

1054
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,280
coming out of the Olympics after he won his second

1055
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,159
gold medal. He was meeting with promoters to talk about,

1056
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,679
you know, professional contracts, and he met with Top Rank

1057
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,679
and Bob Aram. They went to his house in Beverly Hills.

1058
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,880
He was with Eggus Quamas, who was his manager, and

1059
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,199
they were talking about, you know, doing some kind of deal.

1060
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:55,280
And Bob has recounted this story to me on multiple occasions.

1061
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,079
He didn't care about the signing bonus. Obviously he was

1062
00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:59,679
gonna get one. He's get you know, a six figure

1063
00:45:59,679 --> 00:46:02,119
signing bonus, whatever it was going to be. He wasn't

1064
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:04,679
concerned about negotiating every dollar like most guys are when

1065
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:06,519
they come into the pros. He all he wanted to

1066
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:07,880
know from Aaron was can you get me a world

1067
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,639
title fight in my pro debut? And Bob, you know,

1068
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,280
who can bullshit with the best of him, was honest

1069
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:13,639
with him. He's like, you know, I can't do that,

1070
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,639
but I can probably do it in your second fight.

1071
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,239
That was good enough for Lomachenko. We signed on Top

1072
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:20,960
so in his pro debut, which I was at on

1073
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:25,039
the undercart of Timothy Bradley against Juan Manuel Marquez, they

1074
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,599
put him in the ring with a legitimate like top

1075
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,599
Tennis type one hundred and twenty six pounder, and he

1076
00:46:33,079 --> 00:46:34,760
won a schedule for a ten rounder. You know, most

1077
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,840
guys don't turn pro with ten rounders. He knocked him

1078
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,599
out in the fourth round and he looked good. He

1079
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:41,280
won a WBO regional title, which qualified him to be

1080
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,440
in the rankings, and in his next fight, they match

1081
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,360
him up with Orlando Solito, who was a rugged, tough

1082
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,639
as leather type opponent from Mexico. Had double digit losses

1083
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:51,119
and people want to mock that. If you look at

1084
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:54,199
the record, most of Solito's career losses took place when

1085
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,000
he was a teenager, not as a mature grown man

1086
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,840
fighting real guys and anyway going. And I was at

1087
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,679
that fight also in San Antonio, number one. Salito miss

1088
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,320
wait for the fight, so we got stripped of the title,

1089
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,800
but it was still available for Loma Chenko. Then they

1090
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,840
went in the ring. This was at the Alamo Dome

1091
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,920
on an undercard on HBO, and it was a really

1092
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,159
close fight. It was a pretty good fight, and Solito continually,

1093
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:19,079
round after round after round, kept hitting him low and

1094
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:21,599
the referee never gave him a real legit warning, didn't

1095
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,119
take any points, and Loma, you know, there's still something

1096
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:26,280
to be said. Even if you have four arged amateur fights,

1097
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,679
it pro fight's a different story. And he couldn't deal

1098
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,079
with that and he lost. There was super close. I

1099
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:31,320
think it was a split decision off the top of

1100
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,039
my head. A very close fight, and but the title

1101
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:35,719
was vacant. Now, I'm gonna tell you a story about that.

1102
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,760
I go to a hang out with the fellas after

1103
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,239
that fight. We were going to some like twenty four

1104
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,320
hour Mexican restaurant where everybody hung out in San Antonio, right,

1105
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,639
and I ran into one of the guys on Solito's

1106
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,679
team that night in the restaurant, went over to him,

1107
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:49,320
said a low congratulations, good fight, blah blah blah. And

1108
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,079
he says to me, and I quote, we're glad we

1109
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,639
got Loma tonight, because you give this guy another fight

1110
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,920
or two, we have no chance sot In his next fight,

1111
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,280
the title was still vacant because Toledo had been stripped

1112
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,440
because he didn't make the weight and Loma obviously had

1113
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,840
performed extremely well in the fight. He went in with

1114
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,840
the next available guy that was the undefeated United States

1115
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,000
olympian who was twenty four to zero Gary Russell Junior,

1116
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,079
who ended up eventually having a nice long title reign

1117
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:18,239
at featherweight even though he very rarely fought once a

1118
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,920
year or so. But when Loma fought it for the title,

1119
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,159
who he was two and one at that time and

1120
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,039
or no, I take that back, he was one and

1121
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:27,840
one at that one, one right, right, one and one

1122
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,039
at that time. He won easily. He just dazzled. He

1123
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:32,840
easily beat him. This was a fight that was on

1124
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,400
a PBC cart because I guess Top Rank had lost

1125
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,960
a purse bit for the fight, or maybe they had negotiated,

1126
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,320
but the bottom line was he was the away fighter,

1127
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,360
he was not the home guy, and it was on

1128
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,239
showtime where they had been all their fights at that

1129
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,519
time were on HBO for Top Rank. Anyway, he easily

1130
00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:49,559
beat Gary Russell. That's a great win he became. Not

1131
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:52,199
only did he become a world champion, his third professional

1132
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,400
fight that tied the all time boxing record for fewest

1133
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,880
fights needed to win a world title had been done

1134
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,360
in nineteen seventy five by a forty pounder who won

1135
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,519
a WBC title who was from Thailand, so he would

1136
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:06,880
go on and set all kinds of records. He became

1137
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:08,920
the quickest fighter to win a title in a second

1138
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,800
weight class when he absolutely destroyed Rocky Martinez by knockout.

1139
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,199
Then he became the quickest to win a title in

1140
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,480
a third weight class when he had a very dramatic

1141
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:20,159
victory in a knockout where he got knocked down and

1142
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,719
very badly hurt his shoulder, but got off the deck

1143
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,360
and knocked out for Lenaris at Madison Square. Guarden I

1144
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:28,280
was at that fight, spectacular crowd that night. And then

1145
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,679
in his next fight he became the quickest to get

1146
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,880
to a unification when he dropped Jose Padraza twice in

1147
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,960
the eleventh round and won a very lopsided decision. And

1148
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:39,800
so he has all of those various records in boxing.

1149
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: Now.

1150
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:42,079
Speaker 1: Could some of them be broken someday, sure, I suppose,

1151
00:49:42,159 --> 00:49:44,559
but for now he has those records. And then he

1152
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:47,719
went on and had some other significant fights. He obviously

1153
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,679
yep ended up. You know, he at first I had

1154
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,400
a very good performance. He went to London and easily

1155
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,440
beat Luke Campbell, the Olympic gold medalist from twenty twelve

1156
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,639
in his hometown. That was a title a fight. Not

1157
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,159
only they retain his unified lightweight titles, but he also

1158
00:50:03,199 --> 00:50:05,840
won the vacant WBC title and then became the thing

1159
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,760
with the franchise title where he ended up vacating the

1160
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,960
BC whatever and Uh, he ended up fighting Ta Femo.

1161
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,239
Lopez had another shoulder injury, went the distance, lost that

1162
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,639
fight close, but lost and had surgery. Came back by

1163
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:19,239
the way, he reeled off three fights in a row

1164
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,360
and one looked good. Uh, and then had the opportunity

1165
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,199
to fight Devin Haney, who we hadn't fought when Haney

1166
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,639
was his mandatory because he'd opted for the Lopez fight,

1167
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:33,039
and Haini beat him on a very close controversial.

1168
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: He won that fight with Haney, A lot of people

1169
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:35,320
doing that.

1170
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: For what it's worth. I had Haini against Loma a draw,

1171
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:40,760
but it was a close fight, and I can certainly

1172
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:42,639
understand why some people might have thought we much should

1173
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,559
have won. However, Uh, as much as I have man

1174
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:48,719
love for Loma Chenko, the man took the twelfth round off, admittedly,

1175
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,280
and you cannot do that, and to fight that close

1176
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:53,199
and that fight in my mind, so you can't do that.

1177
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,159
But either either way, that was there's no shame in

1178
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:57,039
losing to Devin Haney.

1179
00:50:57,519 --> 00:50:57,639
Speaker 3: Uh.

1180
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: Anyway, he came back and eventually when he Cambosas won

1181
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,559
that vacant ib of tunnel because he and he had

1182
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:04,639
vacated everything and went up tow one hundred and forty

1183
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:06,639
pounds and he didn't just win, he went to the

1184
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:09,519
other guy's hometown. He absolutely destroyed Cambosas yep won the

1185
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:12,599
title and took him a year to figure out what

1186
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:14,199
he wanted to do with the injury and whether he

1187
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,639
wanted to pursue something else, and ended up vacating. But

1188
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,039
that to me is a Hall of fame career. And

1189
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,000
then all the things I mentioned, There was a period

1190
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:23,280
of time in there where he made and these were

1191
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,599
in one hundred and thirty pound world title fights. He

1192
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:29,480
made he made four guys in a row quick mid

1193
00:51:29,559 --> 00:51:32,360
fight because they either were too hurt or too fucked

1194
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,239
up from what he was doing to them with his

1195
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,559
footwork and his defense. There was nothing he could do.

1196
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:42,159
He had good power, speed, defense, intelligence, experience. The footwork

1197
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,519
was the sickest I've ever seen period. That includes any

1198
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:48,280
fighter you can think of that I've ever seen, old

1199
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,440
timer or current fighter. I mean, just a brilliant fighter.

1200
00:51:51,519 --> 00:51:53,119
Some people shit on him and say, you know, well

1201
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:55,280
he disappointedn't do this and didn't do that. He lost

1202
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,440
a guy with double digits in his second in his

1203
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,159
second fight. There's nobody in the world that would be

1204
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:03,920
have the balls big enough to fight in Orlando Soledo

1205
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:05,800
in their second professional fight.

1206
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got you, so, I mean, you just laid

1207
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:09,679
it out. It is definitely a Hall of Fame resume

1208
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,360
and we and I said, is it a first ballot one?

1209
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,840
And you just laid out what close?

1210
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,199
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna say one other thing and people I

1211
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:17,599
love this because people get so mad at me, and

1212
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:19,360
I love it. I don't give a fuck. Fuck them all.

1213
00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:22,599
I've been doing this for twenty five years.

1214
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:23,199
Speaker 3: M h.

1215
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: He is a talent. It is on the same level.

1216
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,039
I'm not saying his resume or what his ultimate achievements were,

1217
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,000
but in his best his talent level was off the charts.

1218
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,679
It is on par with Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather,

1219
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,320
who I consider the two best fighters I've ever seen

1220
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,119
in person in terms of having covered by race. He

1221
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,360
had that kind of talent. And I'm gonna say this

1222
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:47,440
again for those in the back say it is at

1223
00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:50,079
his best, and people can shit on me for this. Also,

1224
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,119
I couldn't give a shit at his best, and they

1225
00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:56,119
fought in the same way classes. He would one hundred

1226
00:52:56,159 --> 00:52:59,280
percent compete with the best Floyd May whether you could

1227
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,360
ask for I'm not saying he would win, and I'm

1228
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,920
not saying Floyd would win. But that's a real, real

1229
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:06,679
fight at one hundred and thirty or even one hundred

1230
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,639
and thirty five pounds, that's a absolutely competitive, interesting fight.

1231
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,079
And sure Floyd would probably win some of those fights.

1232
00:53:13,079 --> 00:53:15,239
But I would tell you I would go to my grave,

1233
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:16,760
I'd die in the hill to say there'd probably be

1234
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,880
a fight in there that that Loma would win. Also,

1235
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,960
he was a spectacular fighter, and he had a break

1236
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,639
everything about him. He could do.

1237
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 2: By the way, I agree with you that I think

1238
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,880
he could have at one thirty of whatever it's worth,

1239
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,360
at one thirty one to thirty five, he could have

1240
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,079
fought with almost anybody at his heyday, especially the amateur

1241
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:35,239
rep What did you say, three ninety seven and one.

1242
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,599
Speaker 1: Three ninety six and one, three ninety six and one,

1243
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,599
and the loss was twice ridiculous, And let me just

1244
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:42,039
say one or a thing by it. I know he

1245
00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:44,039
won the titles at one hundred and thirty five, when

1246
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,599
he unified and became a three dollar champion. He was

1247
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:49,360
really at his best at either featherweight or junior lagweight.

1248
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,280
He really kind of only went to one thirty five

1249
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,000
because there was really nobody for him the fight that

1250
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:56,480
meant anything at one hundred and thirty left anymore or

1251
00:53:56,519 --> 00:53:59,280
one twenty six, and he just wanted challenges. I mean,

1252
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,039
I can't tell you how many times I sat with

1253
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,360
him before fights, interviewing him or with a scrum or whatever,

1254
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:06,199
and he would own just say I just want to

1255
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,320
fight the best, and he meant it. That's the thing.

1256
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:09,840
He meant it, all right.

1257
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: One more quick thing and we're gonna move on.

1258
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:14,199
Speaker 4: Tank Davis beats Lamont roach and Tank Davis calls out

1259
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,760
Lomachenko to come out of retirement.

1260
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: What say you like anything? You never say never, but

1261
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,599
I doubt it. I mean, I think that shift us

1262
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:22,519
out all right.

1263
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:27,559
Speaker 4: Two other actually, couple of other quick things. Unfortunately, the

1264
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:30,639
passing of Jose Santa Cruz, who trained all of his

1265
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,679
sons as professional fighters, including the four division world champ

1266
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,599
Leo Santa Cruz. He died earlier this week after battling

1267
00:54:38,679 --> 00:54:43,679
bone cancer for several years. This was well documented during

1268
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:48,840
Santa Cruz's most recent part of his career. Unfortunate say

1269
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,920
a little more about this, Yeah.

1270
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean this was a guy that raised four sons,

1271
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,559
all of whom had boxing careers. Leo, who was obviously

1272
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,360
the most famous and well known to won titles in

1273
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,559
four way classes. Jose, who was his older brother who

1274
00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:05,159
he basically became his lead trainer when his father was sick.

1275
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,079
His father would go to the gym, but the brothers

1276
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,880
would be more hands on, and the other brothers, Antonio

1277
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,239
and Roberto, also had careers, but the ones that had

1278
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:15,079
the most success were obviously Leo. Jose. Armando did win

1279
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,639
a WBC interim title in the lightweight division. I've said

1280
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:21,639
this before, I'll say it again when he fought Joel Casamayor,

1281
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,519
who at the time was the lineal champion in the

1282
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:26,679
lightweight division. He got it was one of it's I say,

1283
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,400
it's the worst robbery I've ever seen in person, and

1284
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,280
that includes fights like Manny Pacio Timothy Bradley won. This

1285
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,039
was a fight at Madison Square Garden, where he's scored

1286
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:38,119
a knockdown against Casimire in round number one and basically

1287
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:40,039
won every single rest of the every round the rest

1288
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:41,519
of the fight. Most of us at ringside had the

1289
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:44,719
fight basically either twelve to nothing, ten to two, eleven

1290
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,159
to one plus a knockdown, and they gave Cassimeire a

1291
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:49,920
split decision. It was absolutely terrible and it cost him.

1292
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,960
But the point is Jose Santa Cruz, the father, had

1293
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:54,840
trained both of the sons as well as the other

1294
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,880
sons that had turned pro, and he was the cement

1295
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,079
of that team. And even at his at his sickest,

1296
00:56:01,199 --> 00:56:03,519
when he you know, if he was not hospitalized, he

1297
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:05,760
was in treatment, he was exhausted, he was in pain.

1298
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,840
He would still show up at the fights to support

1299
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,679
his son. He would go to the gym and again,

1300
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:13,000
even if he couldn't be hands on and hold the

1301
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:14,880
myths and things like that. That was the brothers, but

1302
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,519
they all followed his game plan. He was the patriarch.

1303
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:20,559
He was very recognizable, always had the big black cowboy hat.

1304
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:27,039
Just a nice man with the great boxing acumen to

1305
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:29,920
be able to do that with his sons, and you know,

1306
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:33,360
unfortunately he was sick for the last several years. You know,

1307
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,360
if there is a silver lining, I guess you know

1308
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,639
he's out of his misery. I suppose you don't want

1309
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:39,760
to see anybody suffering. He was only sixty five years old,

1310
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,599
and I mean there was a period of time where Leo,

1311
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,079
you know, struggled whether he would go through and have

1312
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:48,280
fights or not because of the father being so ill.

1313
00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,760
But he took a lot of like the cues from

1314
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,679
his father, Like his father is a fighter fighting this disease.

1315
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,679
At least I can do just go in the ring

1316
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,719
and do what I do as a boxer, and so

1317
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:03,719
great accomplishments that Leo had as a boxer, and to

1318
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,360
a lesser extent, what Jose a Romando did, you know,

1319
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,280
was a reflection on on what their father taught them

1320
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,000
and showed them how to do. So, you know, rest

1321
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:11,760
in peace, Jose.

1322
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 4: Santanna and I will say this as well, Leo Santa

1323
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,159
Cruz class act. I've dealt with him a couple of

1324
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:18,840
times with interviews, et cetera, and a world champion and

1325
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,199
so rip and our our prayers, our hearts go out

1326
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:25,119
to the Santa Cruz family. A couple more things, all right,

1327
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:27,679
So wait a minute, no Nito don air speaking of

1328
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,320
guys that are maybe at the end, maybe retired, maybe not.

1329
00:57:31,559 --> 00:57:34,480
Nonito don Air is going to be back next weekend.

1330
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:36,760
And this has been hastily put together. Here we go again,

1331
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,239
Ray Phiel, how many more times are you gonna put

1332
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:42,960
them on rundown? Vacant WBA title, vacant WBA.

1333
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:45,719
Speaker 2: Interim bannitj I'm not the one that's all right. So

1334
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,920
this is in Argentina, So tell me more about don

1335
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:53,000
Air and this fight and Andre's Campos the opponent go.

1336
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: So as I wrote, Manny Paca is not the only

1337
00:57:56,159 --> 00:58:01,480
forty forty something Filipino former multi division champion making a comeback,

1338
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:04,960
because now don Air is joining him. He's been a

1339
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:07,320
champion in four different weight classes. He's a first ballot

1340
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,039
Hall of Famer. You can argue that he's the maybe

1341
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:12,519
the second or third greatest Filipino boxer of all time,

1342
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:17,119
you know, behind Pacya. And he's coming back. He never

1343
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:19,559
actually retired, even though you know it's been a while

1344
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:22,000
since he's fun. It's been about two years since he

1345
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:24,519
had a fight. But every year the WBA they do

1346
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:28,119
like a two night card called KO Drugs. It's like

1347
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:30,840
the KO Drugs festival. They raise money, they make you know,

1348
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,599
fighting drug abuse and and that sort of thing like

1349
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:36,960
a big part of their of their of their profile

1350
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,119
when they do these events. And so they have that

1351
00:58:39,239 --> 00:58:41,199
coming up next week. And these are taking place in

1352
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:43,639
Buenos Aires, Argentina this year. They take place kind of

1353
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:45,880
all over the place, and he is going to fight

1354
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,679
on this card. He's the main event of the version

1355
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:49,880
of the show on the fourteenth. There's also fights on

1356
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,280
the thirteenth. And he's forty two years old. He has

1357
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,719
lost two fights in a row. He got stopped here.

1358
00:58:55,239 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: And so you and I were at his last fight.

1359
00:58:57,559 --> 00:58:59,559
I just just get this, but go ahead recap it.

1360
00:59:00,039 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So I was saying, so two fights ago

1361
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,920
he got blown out in the second round of a

1362
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:05,840
rematch against in a way, they had fought a great

1363
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,400
first fight. That was the fight of the year in

1364
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:10,079
this in the second fight that they had. This was

1365
00:59:10,159 --> 00:59:12,599
back in what June of twenty twenty two. This was

1366
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:16,440
a a bantamwaite unification fight and Donair lost that fight

1367
00:59:16,519 --> 00:59:18,360
by a second round knockout. At that time he was

1368
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,719
considering retirement. He didn't retire. He came back and at

1369
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:24,159
that point, you know, in a way had vacated the

1370
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:25,880
bandam Waite titles. He had been un disputed and moved

1371
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:29,920
up in wait and Alexandro Santiago had won, you know,

1372
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:32,000
had to had qualified for that fight, and so they

1373
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:34,840
fought for that vacant belt that that in a way

1374
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,079
had vacated, and he beat him that night. It was

1375
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:40,880
a competitive fight, but Donair lost. That was on the

1376
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,480
Errolspence Terrence Crawford card. As you said, we were there

1377
00:59:43,519 --> 00:59:46,039
at that fight, and he hadn't fought since then. But

1378
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:47,760
again he talked about I want to come back. He

1379
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,840
never really retired, and so I was coming back to

1380
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,960
fight a little known fighter from Chile who's seventeen to

1381
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,000
two and one with six knockouts. He's twenty eight years old.

1382
00:59:56,039 --> 00:59:58,519
He's two to two and one in his last four fights.

1383
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,760
The one fight that people might recognize from Campos is

1384
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,079
that if you go back to twenty twenty three when

1385
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:07,239
he was fighting as a flyway, he lost the decision

1386
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:09,960
when he challenged Sonny Edwards, who at that time was

1387
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,599
still the IBF flyweight champion. But so far, don't Air,

1388
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,199
I guess he's not done yet. So he's always been

1389
01:00:16,239 --> 01:00:18,079
a guy that I've enjoyed dealing with I've covered many

1390
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:20,119
of his fights since he's a good guy, him and

1391
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,920
his you know, his whole group there, his wife of course,

1392
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,119
and you know, I wish him good luck, but I

1393
01:00:26,239 --> 01:00:28,119
kind of thought he was done. If he wins, you know,

1394
01:00:28,199 --> 01:00:30,119
he's not walking away. And I think even Donair off

1395
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:32,239
the couch and forty two is probably good enough to

1396
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:32,719
be this dude.

1397
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 4: All right, And one more thing, The Boxing International Boxing

1398
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,719
Hall of Fame inductions are Sunday. Speaking of Manny Pachiao,

1399
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,960
who you've mentioned about four times. You might have heard

1400
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,559
he's looking to make a comeback at forty six years

1401
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:49,719
of age. He's going into the Hall of Fame this weekend.

1402
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,440
And I can see you on video shaking your head.

1403
01:00:53,559 --> 01:00:55,800
You've you've gone off on this a couple of times

1404
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,440
about they didn't really wait long enough, although it's been

1405
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:01,280
four years since he's had a So they're gonna put

1406
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:02,760
him in the Hall of Fame, and then he is

1407
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,480
slated to fight next month after being put in the

1408
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:08,440
Hall of Fame. All Right, it's not only him, but

1409
01:01:08,679 --> 01:01:11,239
expound on the Hall of Fame inductions, including Manny Paciel

1410
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:11,800
as the headliner.

1411
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,559
Speaker 1: So just briefly in terms of the Hall of Fame.

1412
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:15,199
In what they do in terms of the voting is

1413
01:01:15,559 --> 01:01:17,800
for most of the time period that I have voted

1414
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,320
in the Hall of Fame, which is well over twenty years,

1415
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,280
the eligibility weight was the same as in baseball. Five

1416
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,880
years out of the ring or retired and then you

1417
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,199
could become eligible for the ballot. And it was probably,

1418
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,519
like I don't know, maybe like four years ago thereabouts,

1419
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,280
they reduced the waiting period from five years to three years.

1420
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,400
And that's why this is happening, because if they waited

1421
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,440
the five years, there's a more reasonable chance that packed

1422
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,880
it would be done for good. A top boxer coming

1423
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,679
back after three years will not totally common. It's certainly

1424
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:46,480
not out of the realm happens. So he will not

1425
01:01:46,639 --> 01:01:49,639
be the first boxer to ever box after being enshrined

1426
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:51,159
in the Hall of Fame, but he will be the

1427
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:55,840
first one to have a fight scheduled before he's actually inducted,

1428
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,599
because this fight with Barrios was announced, you know, in

1429
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,400
the last week or two, and he's got a fight

1430
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:03,679
coming up in July. So he'll be the first guy

1431
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:05,880
in the Hall of Fame history that can stand up

1432
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,480
at the podium on his induction speech, thank everybody for

1433
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,199
everything they did for him, and recount some of his

1434
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,679
great moments, perhaps maybe tell a funny story, and then

1435
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:16,599
finish things up by saying, oh, by the way.

1436
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: Hold the poster up. Nineteen I'm back Baby.

1437
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: Live on pay per view against Mario Barrios. So in

1438
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,039
any event, we don't want to get into all the negativity.

1439
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:29,960
At the end of the day, this is a celebratory

1440
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,760
weekend Canastota and Verona. We're at the Turningstone. A lot

1441
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,920
of the activities also are taking place. I know a

1442
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,800
lot of people have already gone up there for the weekend.

1443
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,840
They will have the actual and there's a there's a

1444
01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:43,960
card that takes place at turning Stone that Solida Promotions

1445
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,320
that's putting on. That'll take place. I believe it's on

1446
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,840
Friday night. They'll have the parade on Sunday before the inductions.

1447
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,800
They've got the Banque Champions the night before. There's one

1448
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,599
of my favorite activities is on the on the Saturday

1449
01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:59,280
morning of the induction weekend, they have the big Boxing

1450
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,840
Memory Billion show with the Canistota High School, which is

1451
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,800
like a you know, a one block walk from the

1452
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,960
museum and that's always great fun. But then they'll have

1453
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:10,960
the actual induction ceremonies two thirty pm Eastern time on Sunday.

1454
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:13,679
For those who care to watch the various people be

1455
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:16,599
inducted and give their speeches. It's available on the International

1456
01:03:16,679 --> 01:03:19,800
Boxing Hall of Fames YouTube channel. You can watch that live.

1457
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,639
And you know, look, obviously nanny Pack now being the

1458
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:25,880
legend and the superstar draw that he is, he's the

1459
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,320
star of the show this year. The other fighters that

1460
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,159
are going in in the men's Modern category, which is

1461
01:03:31,239 --> 01:03:33,639
the most high profile, I guess, of the group of

1462
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:36,320
categories that they put fighters in. He also have the

1463
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,360
former middleweight and super middleweight champion Michael Munn. You have

1464
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,239
the former two division lightweight and Jingiam middleweight champion Denny Paz,

1465
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:46,320
who is an inductee. That's kind of created some controversy

1466
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,079
because his resume is somewhat lacking, but people remember the

1467
01:03:49,159 --> 01:03:52,360
great things he overcame to make it to sure be

1468
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,480
able to continuous career for he had the broken vertebrates.

1469
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 4: Hey let's go, let's go right there, because you vote

1470
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,239
for this, you said to us back, and he's been

1471
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:02,920
on the ballot at least a couple of times, because

1472
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:04,719
you were saying to this maybe even a year ago,

1473
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:09,440
that it's questionable to you about whether his career rises

1474
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,480
to the level of Hall of Fame Benny Pazienza, And

1475
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,440
we're not picking on him only there are other guys

1476
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,480
where you've had questions about, and other voters have had

1477
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:20,119
questions about. So You're just you had said that before,

1478
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:22,440
So I'm just refreshing the audience.

1479
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:26,119
Speaker 1: Was this, I understand go aheads. Everybody takes it into

1480
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:28,239
the account different things when they vote. I mean, it's no,

1481
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,280
they don't tell you on the bout vote under this

1482
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,400
exact criteria. So you kind of got to figure it out,

1483
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:34,480
you know. Do you do you take into account like

1484
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:36,639
when Lomachenko comes up, do you include like the two

1485
01:04:36,719 --> 01:04:39,320
gold medals? Do you include like wun Usa comes up

1486
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,519
his gold medal or not? I mean, in other words,

1487
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,280
there's different things that people consider. And I believe that

1488
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,079
when they looked at Vinny Pazienza, Denny Pazzes, he goes

1489
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:48,840
by that, a lot of people put a lot of

1490
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,679
stock in the fact this was a man who suffered

1491
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:53,639
a broken vertebrae, was in a Halo didn't know if

1492
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:56,840
you would ever be able to carry on a normal

1493
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,320
life much as be a professional boxer, and was able

1494
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,719
to come back, not only box again, but do so

1495
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,119
at a high level and carry on for a number

1496
01:05:04,159 --> 01:05:06,400
of years after that incident occurred. And there's others that

1497
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,360
will look at the resume and say, you know, yes,

1498
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,360
he did win two world titles, and lots of guys

1499
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,599
have done that, And his record in world title fights

1500
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:14,719
is very poor, and he never beat like an A

1501
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,639
level guy, and the guys that he did fight that

1502
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:19,440
were that were big time he lost to And unless

1503
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,440
you're gonna count the absolute remnants of a Roberto Duran,

1504
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,000
which I find hard to count that as a I

1505
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:27,800
mean it's like, don't get me wrong, there's nothing wrong

1506
01:05:28,039 --> 01:05:30,079
with beating Roberto Duran, no matter when you did so.

1507
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,559
But if that's your calling card, win are you? Are you?

1508
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,480
Should you be inducted? Look, everybody's got to make their decision.

1509
01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:38,199
I mean, it is what it is. But he's a

1510
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,599
popular figure. He's going in. There's a great weekend. I

1511
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:42,800
hope Pacya. He's he's been in training camp, so I

1512
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,679
talk to his people. They're flying in on Saturday. Uh,

1513
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:48,159
they'll attend the induction ceremonies and then probably do some

1514
01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:50,239
stuff with the you know, the banquet the night before

1515
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,800
on Saturday night, and then he's right back to California

1516
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,079
to continue training. I know Manny spent most of his

1517
01:05:56,159 --> 01:06:00,119
American based career being promoted by Top Ranked. They have

1518
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:02,719
their card in Norfolk, Virginia on Saturday. I know a

1519
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,280
bunch of people that are involved, Bob Aram and others.

1520
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:10,000
They're taking a private plane from Norfolk to They'll go

1521
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,280
to Syracuse, which is about twenty thirty minutes from Cannestota

1522
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,920
and Verona. In they'll attend the induction ceremony. That's how

1523
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:19,119
much Manny has meant to Bob and to Top Rank,

1524
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:22,239
and so you know, it's a chance to celebrate all

1525
01:06:22,239 --> 01:06:24,199
of these great fighters and people involved in the business.

1526
01:06:24,239 --> 01:06:25,639
If you want to talk about some other people being

1527
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:29,280
inducted real quick, you have the former Middleway champ Rodrigo Valdez.

1528
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,280
He's being inducted. He's obviously no longer here, he's died

1529
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,199
many years ago. He's being inducted in the old timer category.

1530
01:06:35,519 --> 01:06:38,639
You have three women getting in in the category, Yesca Chavez,

1531
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:43,000
Andy Sophia Mathis and Mary Joe Sanders. The referee Kenny Bayliss,

1532
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:44,679
who for a long time was the best refin box.

1533
01:06:45,559 --> 01:06:47,639
The late cutman and trainer Al Gavin who was a

1534
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:51,480
wonderful guy and a great cutman. Harry Gibbs, a late referee.

1535
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:54,280
These are guys from the non participant category. In the

1536
01:06:54,719 --> 01:06:58,960
observer category, you have the longtime HBO executive producer and

1537
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,840
former HBO Sports resident Ross Greenberg, who was one of

1538
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,320
the most brilliant television producers of not just boxing but

1539
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,400
sports in general and did plenty of things that people

1540
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,840
would recognize twenty four to seven and and all kinds

1541
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:13,880
of beautiful way that the HBO show has looked. My

1542
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,760
good buddy Randy Gordon, broadcaster and journalist, former editor of

1543
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,199
The Ring magazine, now has his show up on the Xtram.

1544
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 2: Shout out to Randy Gordon.

1545
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: With my boy Jerry Cooney.

1546
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:26,719
Speaker 2: And I've told this story.

1547
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:29,400
Speaker 4: Before, Randy Gordon took five minutes with a young little

1548
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:33,119
TJ teenage TJ at a boxing event in Tampa as

1549
01:07:33,199 --> 01:07:36,400
if I was somebody important. So shout out to Randy Gordon,

1550
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,039
who was the former commissioner of the New York State

1551
01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:39,079
Athletic Commission as well.

1552
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:41,719
Speaker 1: Also true, yes, I forgot about that. So so even

1553
01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:43,000
though that was nice that he did that, I will

1554
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:45,760
tell you, having known Randy for my entire career, Randy

1555
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,480
would talk to anybody about boxing anytime, which is great.

1556
01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 2: But I mean he's an ambassador in that's the regard.

1557
01:07:52,039 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: We love it. So there's that. And then there's also

1558
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:57,639
in the women's Trailblazers category a woman named Kat Davis

1559
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:00,079
who boxed in the eighteen hundreds are not the in

1560
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:03,000
our of trailblazer and women's and then a mail fighter

1561
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,760
from the eighteen hundreds in the bare knuckle fighter named

1562
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,840
Owen Swift. So that is your class of twenty twenty five.

1563
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,360
They'll be inducted on Sunday, So.

1564
01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:12,719
Speaker 4: Check that out through the International Boxing Hall of Fame's

1565
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,159
website and coverage, and Daniell write about it on the substack,

1566
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:15,960
et cetera, and his.

1567
01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: Ballot and all of that.

1568
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 1: I already did that.

1569
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,399
Speaker 4: I know you've done that, and it's something near and

1570
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,920
dear to you, one piece of nostalgia. And again we're

1571
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,640
going to push people to go watch our video on

1572
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,760
the YouTube page where you're going to talk more about

1573
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,439
the fight in twenty sixteen. You've already talked about Orlando's

1574
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:37,720
Solito beating the silly Lomachenko, But Solito was in a

1575
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:42,399
tremendous fight with Francisco Vargas for the WBC one hundred

1576
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:45,399
and thirty pound title nine years ago on June the fourth,

1577
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:50,319
June the fourth, twenty sixteen. You were ringside for that fight,

1578
01:08:51,119 --> 01:08:53,439
So just give a quick tease. We're gonna have it

1579
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,760
on the YouTube video. They'll be able to see you

1580
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:58,960
talking about why this was such a great fight, a

1581
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,439
fight of the year caliber fight, Francisco Vargas Orlando Solito

1582
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:03,039
nine years ago.

1583
01:09:04,119 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 1: I mean, in one word, TJ violence, that's really.

1584
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 2: It was this including early, just the whole the whole fight.

1585
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think the way I recall

1586
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,239
it was maybe after about the first half of the

1587
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,680
first round, maybe after the first round. From there on,

1588
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,840
the entire fight was just an absolute fucking war of

1589
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,720
attrition and it turned out to be a draw. But

1590
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,560
it was a fantastic fight and one of the best

1591
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,319
you'll see two Mexican warriors. Let it all hang out,

1592
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,479
and and uh, it was not a surprise frankly, because

1593
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,079
Vargas had already been in a in a previous Fight

1594
01:09:35,119 --> 01:09:37,000
of the Year and Soledo had been in several top

1595
01:09:37,119 --> 01:09:38,880
quality fights fight of the Year candidates. So when they

1596
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:41,520
fought each other, uh, and you expect an explosion, That's

1597
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,199
exactly what you got, all right.

1598
01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 4: So again, go to the YouTube page and watch what

1599
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,439
we're talking about off of our YouTube page, including the content.

1600
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,479
We've had a busy show again, great stuff with Richardson Hitchens,

1601
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,760
all the previews for this weekend. We're going to reconvene

1602
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,239
on the bet us Boxing show that is live on

1603
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:05,119
their play on YouTube, social media, et cetera. Will handicap

1604
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:08,039
the fights this weekend, and then you and I will

1605
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:10,920
do it live on Saturday night after the Top Rank

1606
01:10:11,399 --> 01:10:14,680
show in Norfolk, Virginia featuring Keyshawn Davis. We will be

1607
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:18,880
live on the YouTube page exclusively the Big Fight Weekend

1608
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:24,319
YouTube page post fight recap of that card, and also

1609
01:10:24,359 --> 01:10:28,960
we'll even talk Wardly and Hooney the heavyweights earlier in

1610
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:31,560
the day in the UK. So be with us live,

1611
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,920
We'll work your comments and etc. We'll do that for

1612
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:37,800
a little while when the Top Rank show ends Saturday night.

1613
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,199
I think we got all the promo stuff out of

1614
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:42,439
the way. Anything else in closing or are we good?

1615
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:43,359
Headed to the weekend?

1616
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,079
Speaker 1: Here everybody is working for.

1617
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 2: The Yeah, and thank god you didn't sing that.

1618
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:53,159
Speaker 4: But we got fights everywhere Norfolk, Virginia, England, Japan, Australia.

1619
01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:56,079
Speaker 2: We're all over it again. See you on the bet

1620
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:59,720
Us Show, Dan Ray Fielt's Good Friday, and then again

1621
01:11:00,319 --> 01:11:03,159
night on the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page.

1622
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 4: I'm merely TJ Reeps. Thank you for being with us

1623
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,439
here on the Big Fight Weekend Preview podcast