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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to ouch. Was that a ghost? This podcast may

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<v Speaker 2>Um Me, now that we covered that, here's your host list.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back, Thank you for tuning in Hope. Everyone is

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<v Speaker 3>having a fantastic May. This week, I'm covering a case

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<v Speaker 3>that involves children, So if that's not for you, just

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<v Speaker 3>skip on over this episode. Just giving a heads up.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a pretty well known case that is just

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<v Speaker 3>sad and bizarre. This is the case of a four

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<v Speaker 3>year old boy named Bobby Dunbar who just vanished during

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<v Speaker 3>a family excursion in Louisiana. Eight months later, the family

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<v Speaker 3>claims Bobby was found in Mississippi and reunited with them.

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<v Speaker 3>And about a century later, that claim was tested by

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<v Speaker 3>DNA and for those that don't know the results, you

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<v Speaker 3>have to wait till the end. So let's just jump

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<v Speaker 3>right in all the way back in August of nineteen twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>It was August twenty third. It was a Friday. The

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<v Speaker 3>Dunbar family was on vacation in Louisiana at their cabin

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<v Speaker 3>by Swayze Lake at Saint Landry's Parish. It was the

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<v Speaker 3>Dunbar family, Percy who was the father, and Lessie who

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<v Speaker 3>was the mother, their children, Alonzo who was two years

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<v Speaker 3>old and four year old Bobby, as well as some

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<v Speaker 3>other friends and family members. There was a total of

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<v Speaker 3>eleven people on this little getaway. That morning, Percy, the

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<v Speaker 3>Dunbar father, he had to take a quick little trip

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<v Speaker 3>to go back to work to take care of some stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>and little four year old Bobby was not happy about this.

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<v Speaker 3>He threw a little fit and he had a little

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<v Speaker 3>straw hat on and he broke a piece of the

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<v Speaker 3>strap that goes around his face to kind of hold

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<v Speaker 3>it in place. Like he was on vacation, he wanted

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<v Speaker 3>his dad to bring him around. They had plans to

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<v Speaker 3>go fishing, but Paul Mizzy, who was a thirty year

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<v Speaker 3>old family friend who was also part of the vacation,

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<v Speaker 3>he was going down to the lake to look for garfish,

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<v Speaker 3>so he ended up bringing the boys, including Bobby. I

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<v Speaker 3>say lake, but it was a really swampy area with

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of like alligators and it was just it's

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<v Speaker 3>more of a swamp, but it is a lake, swamp,

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<v Speaker 3>lake lake. So the boys headed down to go look

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<v Speaker 3>for garfish. Unless he stayed behind, starting to prepare for

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<v Speaker 3>a fish fry that they were going to have. They

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<v Speaker 3>all went down to the lake and they shot some

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<v Speaker 3>garfish and then they headed back towards the cabin. Alonzo,

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<v Speaker 3>little two year old Alonzo, was propped up on Paul's

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<v Speaker 3>back during the walk back, and during the walk back,

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<v Speaker 3>Paul recalls saying to Bobby, get out of the way,

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<v Speaker 3>Heavy or I'll run you over. Heavy being Paul's nickname

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<v Speaker 3>for Bobby, and little four year old Bobby the little

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<v Speaker 3>spitfire responded, you can't do it. You ain't no bigger

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<v Speaker 3>than me, and then Paul kind of passed Bobby and

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<v Speaker 3>walked around him, and the group just kept walking back

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<v Speaker 3>towards they arrived at the cabin. They were starting to

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<v Speaker 3>get ready to eat, and Lessie noticed that Bobby was

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<v Speaker 3>not with the group. As any mother would, panic set in.

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<v Speaker 3>She started calling out Bobby's name. Everyone just joined in

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<v Speaker 3>started calling out for Bobby and started searching for him

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<v Speaker 3>because he had his little fit. When Percy went back

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<v Speaker 3>to work, some searched in the direction towards Percy's work,

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<v Speaker 3>and they did find some footprints that headed south that

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<v Speaker 3>matched Bobby's sizing and they followed this trail that led

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<v Speaker 3>to some railroad tracks, and then they just disappeared. While

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<v Speaker 3>they were out looking, they encountered Percy, who had just

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<v Speaker 3>returned from work, and he just joined right in in

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<v Speaker 3>the search for Bobby. And they remembered that Bobby had

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<v Speaker 3>that little tantrum that morning and he broke that piece

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<v Speaker 3>off the strap of his straw hat, so they thought

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<v Speaker 3>maybe it may have fallen off, so everyone kept an

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<v Speaker 3>eye out for that. Everyone frantically searching everywhere they could

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<v Speaker 3>think of. They looked down by the lake, but there

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<v Speaker 3>was no sign of Bobby. The next day divers went out,

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<v Speaker 3>they found nothing. Words spread of this missing child, and

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<v Speaker 3>it said that five hundred people from the area came

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<v Speaker 3>out to help search for Bobby. And back to Bobby's

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<v Speaker 3>straw hat, so they thought that if Bobby did fall

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<v Speaker 3>in the lake, his hat should float. And then this

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<v Speaker 3>is really weird. They started using dynamite and dragging the

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<v Speaker 3>lake with hooks in an attempt to at least retrieve

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<v Speaker 3>Bobby's body, which seems kind of crazy to me, but

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get there. Thinking back then, I just figure

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<v Speaker 3>you could cause harm doing that. If Bobby was just

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<v Speaker 3>along the lake or near the lake, but that was

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<v Speaker 3>their choice. They thought that maybe Bobby was attacked or

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<v Speaker 3>eaten by an animal, possibly an alligator, so some alligators

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<v Speaker 3>were cut open to check to see if there were

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<v Speaker 3>any signs of Bobby, but no physical evidence of Bobby

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<v Speaker 3>was found. Despite all their efforts, no sign of Bobby

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<v Speaker 3>was found, no straw hat, no remnants, nothing. So then

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<v Speaker 3>they went to maybe Bobby was kidnapped, maybe a boat

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<v Speaker 3>came in those footprints to the train track, as stragglers

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<v Speaker 3>have been seen in the area. But besides the thought

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<v Speaker 3>of possibly being kidnapped or eaten by an animal, they

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<v Speaker 3>had nothing. Lessie, Who's was said to have fainted once

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<v Speaker 3>Bobby went missing and during the search, was not doing

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<v Speaker 3>well health wise. This whole ordeal understandably really got to

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<v Speaker 3>her and the family eventually did have to return home

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<v Speaker 3>to Apolosis, Louisiana, while a few of the men, including

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Mizzy, stayed at the cabin and continued to search,

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<v Speaker 3>but eventually everyone left a few weeks later. In the

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<v Speaker 3>Dunbars town, they raised a reward, hoping that someone would

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<v Speaker 3>come forward with information about the missing Bobby. They raised

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<v Speaker 3>one thousand dollars, which today would be about thirty thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars for the return of Bobby with no questions asked Percy,

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<v Speaker 3>who was a respected man. He wasn't rich rich, but

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<v Speaker 3>he was comfortable. He worked in insurance and real estate,

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<v Speaker 3>so he was able to contact a detective agency that

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<v Speaker 3>had a printer and they ended up making a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of missing posters or postcards that read missing. One thousand

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<v Speaker 3>dollars has been subscribed by citizens of Opolosis and deposited

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<v Speaker 3>with the planter's National Bank of Opolosis, Louisiana, to be

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<v Speaker 3>paid to any person or persons who will deliver to

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<v Speaker 3>parents alive. Little Robert Clarence Dunbar, no questions asked, aged

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<v Speaker 3>four years in four months, full size for his age,

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<v Speaker 3>stout but not fat, large round blue eyes, light hair,

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<v Speaker 3>and very fair skin with rosy cheeks. Left foot had

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<v Speaker 3>been burned when a baby and shows scar on big

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<v Speaker 3>toe which is somewhat smaller than the big toe on

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<v Speaker 3>the right foot. Wore blue rompers and straw hat without shoes.

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<v Speaker 3>Full name Robert Clarence Dunbar. These were distributed over multiple

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<v Speaker 3>states from Texas to Florida. Days past, then weeks, then months.

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<v Speaker 3>The bank that held the reward money eventually returned it

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<v Speaker 3>to all who had donated the townspeople and the family

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<v Speaker 3>started to lose hope. Eight months having passed this, now

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<v Speaker 3>April of nineteen thirteen, the Dunbars received a wire from Mississippi. There,

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<v Speaker 3>authorities encountered a man traveling with a young boy that

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<v Speaker 3>matched Bobby's description. The man was William Cantwell Walters, who

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<v Speaker 3>had been seen whipping the boy. William was a traveler

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<v Speaker 3>that took jobs as a hand man or fixing or

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<v Speaker 3>tuning pianos. And when authorities asked who this boy was,

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<v Speaker 3>like what was his relation, the man gave conflicting answers.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, Oh, he's my son. Oh he's a coworker's son.

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<v Speaker 3>Who he's my brother's son. And his mother gave me

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<v Speaker 3>the boy. He told authorities, this is not Bobby Dunbar.

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<v Speaker 3>His name is Charles Bruce Anderson, who goes by Bruce Anderson.

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<v Speaker 3>William Walters was arrested, and this resulted in the wire

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<v Speaker 3>that was sent to the Dunbars for them to come

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<v Speaker 3>and see if this little boy was in fact Bobby. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>when Lessie Dunbar arrived to try to confirm or deny

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<v Speaker 3>whether or not this was her son. The newspapers had

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<v Speaker 3>very conflicting stories. This was a time where integrity wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>top priority for journalism. It was like peak yellow journalism,

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<v Speaker 3>time where selling stories mattered more than the truth. One

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<v Speaker 3>article read how as soon as the boy saw Lessie,

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<v Speaker 3>he yelled mother and they hugged. Another says that the

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<v Speaker 3>boy burst into tears and Lessie could not say a

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<v Speaker 3>certain if this was her son. Whatever happened the next day,

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<v Speaker 3>Lessie he was allowed to bathe the boy, and after

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<v Speaker 3>Lessie said that the scars and moles that this young

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<v Speaker 3>boy had matched the scars and moles of Bobby Dunbar,

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<v Speaker 3>she confirmed that this was Bobby. This was eight months

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<v Speaker 3>after she last saw her son, and she had been

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<v Speaker 3>under unthinkable stress. The Dunbars took the boy home. The

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<v Speaker 3>whole town was thrilled. Opelosis threw a parade for bobby

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<v Speaker 3>first homecoming. Bobby got to ride on a fire truck

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<v Speaker 3>through town. He was doated on by the Dunbars. He

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<v Speaker 3>got a pony a bike the end just kidding. So

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<v Speaker 3>William Walters, who was in jail for kidnapping, begged for

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<v Speaker 3>them to send someone who could exonerate him, as kidnapping

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<v Speaker 3>was a capital offense and this was his life on

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<v Speaker 3>the line. So when New Orleans newspapers sent for this

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<v Speaker 3>person to come to Mississippi to try to help and

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<v Speaker 3>get to the bottom of the truth, and this was

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<v Speaker 3>Julia Anderson, Julia Anderson claimed that the young boy was

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<v Speaker 3>in fact not Bobby Dunbar, but Bruce Anderson, and that

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<v Speaker 3>she was the young boy's mother. She had a child

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<v Speaker 3>out of wedlock with WILLIAMS Walter's brother, and that was Bruce,

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<v Speaker 3>so William would be the young boy's uncle, so she

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<v Speaker 3>claimed that William he was her son's uncle. She claims

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<v Speaker 3>that she was working for Walter's elderly relatives in Barnesville,

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<v Speaker 3>North Carolina when she had this young boy. Julia Anderson

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<v Speaker 3>says that she allowed William Walters to take the young

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<v Speaker 3>boy for a few days to visit William's sister, but

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<v Speaker 3>that William never returned the young boy and kept him

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<v Speaker 3>now for fifteen months. Some articles say that Julia Anderson

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<v Speaker 3>was shown a lineup of five boys which included the

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<v Speaker 3>young boy that was traveling with William and that was

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<v Speaker 3>now said to be Bobby Dunbar, and it said in

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<v Speaker 3>some that she did not recognize the young boy, like

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<v Speaker 3>she couldn't positively identify with certainty, and that he did

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<v Speaker 3>not recognize her. But this was a four year old

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<v Speaker 3>boy who had been away from his mother for fifteen months.

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<v Speaker 3>If it was her son, then like Lessie, Julie Anderson

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<v Speaker 3>was giving opportunity to change to undress the young boy.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Julia said, this is my son. But it

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<v Speaker 3>was already spread through the media and in the area

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<v Speaker 3>that the first time Lessie saw the young boy, she

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't sure. Julia was unmarried and she had three children

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<v Speaker 3>with two different men, all of this out of wedlock,

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<v Speaker 3>and Julia had lost all three, so her status was

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<v Speaker 3>seen as a lot lower than the Dunbars, because this

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<v Speaker 3>was a time where perception and having children out of

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<v Speaker 3>wedlock or being having multiple fathers of children was like

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<v Speaker 3>a huge taboo. And the town seems like they already decided,

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<v Speaker 3>and they were not very kind to Julia. To quote

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<v Speaker 3>a newspaper article about Julia just to show their opinion, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>animals don't forget, but this big coarse woman several times

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<v Speaker 3>a mother, she forgot children were only regrettable incidents in

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<v Speaker 3>her life. She hopes her son isn't dead, just as

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<v Speaker 3>she hopes that the cotton crop will be good. This

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<v Speaker 3>year of true mother love, she has none. Rude Julia

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have the money to hire a lawyer or to

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<v Speaker 3>fight this big court battle as the Dunbars did, along

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<v Speaker 3>with her being an unwed mother, having multiple children, having

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<v Speaker 3>lost multiple children. The court sided with the Dunbars and

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<v Speaker 3>they ended up taking the boy home. So Julia Anderson

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<v Speaker 3>returned home to North Carolina, and then there was the

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<v Speaker 3>whole court proceedings for William Walters, and Julia Anderson did

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<v Speaker 3>go to Mississippi to be a witness that Walters did

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<v Speaker 3>not kidnap the boy. She said, like, that's my son.

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<v Speaker 3>And while she was in Mississippi she made many friends

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<v Speaker 3>and Poplar. A lot of them also thought that William

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<v Speaker 3>Walters was innocent because many had seen William Walters and

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<v Speaker 3>this young boy traveling through before Bobby Dunbar ever went missing,

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<v Speaker 3>and they testified to this. But the court decided, nah,

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<v Speaker 3>this boy is Bobby Dunbar, and William Walters was extradited

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<v Speaker 3>to Louisiana for his trial. William Walters was convicted of

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<v Speaker 3>kidnapping and he was sentenced to life in prison in Louisiana,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is a capital offense. After the trial, Julia

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<v Speaker 3>moved to Poplar into a welcoming community. She married and

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<v Speaker 3>she went on to have seven children. She worked as

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<v Speaker 3>a midwife, a nurse, and she helped start a church.

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<v Speaker 3>She never wavered that that young boy was her son

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<v Speaker 3>and that he was kidnapped by the Dunbars. Julia died

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen forty and she's buried in Poplar, where she

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<v Speaker 3>settled back to William Walters after serving two years. William

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<v Speaker 3>Walters got an appeal and he got his conviction overturned

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<v Speaker 3>by the Louisiana Supreme Court on a technicality, and they

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<v Speaker 3>ended up not trying him again. They just released him.

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<v Speaker 3>He went right back to his traveling lifestyle, and he

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<v Speaker 3>never wavered that he was innocent of kidnapping, and he

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<v Speaker 3>ended up dying in nineteen forty five. The young boy

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<v Speaker 3>he grew up is Bobby Dunbar. He got married, he

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<v Speaker 3>had four children, and he ran a gas station and

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<v Speaker 3>he died in nineteen sixty six. Now fast forward to

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<v Speaker 3>the late nineteen nineties. Bobby Dunbar's granddaughter, Margaret Dunbar Cutwright

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<v Speaker 3>started looking into the story. This was a story she

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<v Speaker 3>grew up hearing and all the family knew about it,

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<v Speaker 3>about how her grandfather disappeared and then was found. She

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<v Speaker 3>started looking at the newspaper articles and clippings because she

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<v Speaker 3>received a scrap book from her father about the case,

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<v Speaker 3>like just over the years, any clippings, they just compiled

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<v Speaker 3>them all and through him in this scrap book. As

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<v Speaker 3>she read through, she noticed a lot of inconsistencies in

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<v Speaker 3>the timeline and in the narrative of what happened, like

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<v Speaker 3>that some say Lessie recognized Bobby right away, some say

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<v Speaker 3>she wasn't sure. And one article really stuck with her.

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<v Speaker 3>There was like this editorial cartoon that was published in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirteen that read fifty years from now with a

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<v Speaker 3>drawing of an older man and a child, and the

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<v Speaker 3>child is asking the older man, Grandpa, do you think

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<v Speaker 3>we'll ever know for certain what our right name is?

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<v Speaker 3>And this lit a fire in her because it was

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<v Speaker 3>like she was seeing herself in this article, like she

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to get to the truth either way, like was

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<v Speaker 3>this boy Bobby Dunbar? And she made her way to

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<v Speaker 3>William Walter's defense attorney. William Walter is the man that

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<v Speaker 3>was accused of kidnapping Bobby Dunbar. So she made it

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<v Speaker 3>to his old house and by now he had passed,

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<v Speaker 3>but she figured should try, and his granddaughter still lived

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<v Speaker 3>in the house, and with a huge stroke of luck,

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<v Speaker 3>the defense files were all still there, all nine hundred

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<v Speaker 3>pages of them, so she could actually read the defense

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<v Speaker 3>files from the court proceedings. She immersed herself into it

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<v Speaker 3>because while the Dunbars, she wanted to know if this

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<v Speaker 3>was really Bobby Dunbar, because you remember that Anderson family

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<v Speaker 3>lore was that they had a family member kidnapped by

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<v Speaker 3>the Dunbars. Margaret Dunbar Cartwright. Her father was Bobby Dunbar Junior,

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<v Speaker 3>and he actually agreed to a DNA test to get

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<v Speaker 3>some answers once and for all. Bobby Dunbar Junior did

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<v Speaker 3>say that one time when he asked his father, Bobby Dunbar,

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<v Speaker 3>about the incident, like, how do we know where dunbars?

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<v Speaker 3>Bobby Dunbar's response was, quote, I know who I am

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<v Speaker 3>and I know who you are, and nothing else makes

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<v Speaker 3>a difference. So some people take this as he wasn't sure,

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<v Speaker 3>or maybe he knew, or maybe he was sure. In

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<v Speaker 3>two thousand and four, DNA testing was done on one

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<v Speaker 3>of Bobby's children and one of Alonso, who was Bobby

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<v Speaker 3>Dunbar's brother, Alonzo Dunbar's children to determine if the young

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<v Speaker 3>boy was a Dunbar or not, and it showed that

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<v Speaker 3>there was no relation. So this young boy who was

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<v Speaker 3>raised as Bobby Dunbar was not actually a Dunbar. Due

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<v Speaker 3>to that, he was assumed to have been actually in Anderson.

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<v Speaker 3>And if that was the case, this vindicated Julia Anderson

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<v Speaker 3>and exonerated William Walters of kidnapping. Well, even though it

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<v Speaker 3>was a few days he was supposed to take the

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<v Speaker 3>young boy, not fifteen months. But you know, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>whole other thing. But if that in fact was Bruce Anderson,

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<v Speaker 3>that still leaves the question what happened to Bobby Dunbar.

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<v Speaker 3>In nineteen thirty two, the young boy raised his Bobby

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<v Speaker 3>Dunbar said of his time with William Walters that another

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<v Speaker 3>boy was also with them while they were traveling, and

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<v Speaker 3>that one day they were riding in a wagon and

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<v Speaker 3>that other boy fell off, hit his head and died

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<v Speaker 3>and he was buried, and they just kept going. Some

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<v Speaker 3>take this to mean that William Walters had another young

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<v Speaker 3>boy with them. Maybe he kidnapped another boy. Well, some

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<v Speaker 3>think it was a false or in planted memory because

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<v Speaker 3>no body was ever found. And if this boy was

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<v Speaker 3>Bruce Anderson, maybe he just accepted being Bobby to stop

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<v Speaker 3>the beating that he was receiving from William Walters, or

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<v Speaker 3>to stop having that transient lifestyle. Or maybe for the

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<v Speaker 3>pony or the bike, or the affection he got from

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<v Speaker 3>the Dunbars he got a parade, you know. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 3>Lessie did recognize the boy in her deep grieving state,

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<v Speaker 3>convinced herself that this was Bobby because her mind couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>take any other option. Maybe it was a delusion she

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<v Speaker 3>needed to survive. Or maybe it was police pressure saying

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<v Speaker 3>that this was him. You know, that's him. Let's close

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<v Speaker 3>this because this was a huge disparity in wealth and

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<v Speaker 3>social status that played a big part in the court case.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's my opinion. I just think that. In

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twelve, tal mctheena and Cutwright published a Case for Solomon,

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<v Speaker 3>a book about the case, which is an amazing read.

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<v Speaker 3>I liked it below highly recommend that goes further into

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<v Speaker 3>the case. But yeah, that's it. It's not a super

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<v Speaker 3>If you do want more details, I'd highly recommend looking

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<v Speaker 3>reading that book. But this is a tragic case of

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<v Speaker 3>a four year old boy who vanished during a family

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<v Speaker 3>outing and then eight months later was thought to have

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<v Speaker 3>been reunited with his family. And it took one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>years for DNA to reveal that young boy was not Bobby.

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<v Speaker 3>So did he die from the wagonfall a perish in

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<v Speaker 3>the swamp. While the Anderson family feels vindicated, the other

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<v Speaker 3>has more questions. It's just a really tragic case that

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<v Speaker 3>quite possibly never will be solved. We may never know

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<v Speaker 3>what happened to the real Bobby Dunbar. I would love

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<v Speaker 3>to hear what you guys think and that poor boy

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<v Speaker 3>imagine going through all that trauma. I mean, children are

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<v Speaker 3>very resilient, but to go from family to family, and

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<v Speaker 3>if he was getting abused, I totally understand why he'd

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<v Speaker 3>just accept another family. Just a crazy situation all around,

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<v Speaker 3>a crazy tragic situation. Well, thank you everyone so much

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