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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of October

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eighth, we're continuing with Lost, Season one, episode seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>dot dot dot in translation, Lost in Translate, get it,

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<v Speaker 1>get it, get it, get it, Pope, Pope poke. They

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<v Speaker 1>do enjoy he do, except as a copy editor, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to say that they uppercase the eye in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the episode. And that doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>Then no, I know that, but okay, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever, yes, so I'm just putting it down, okay, editing.

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<v Speaker 3>Them very good.

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<v Speaker 1>So this had to be either a Sun or Gin episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was in fact a Gin episode, which pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much went over the same territory as Sun's episode. From

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<v Speaker 1>his point of view, I think we kind of got

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<v Speaker 1>his point of view. Yeah, mostly the first time, but

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<v Speaker 1>this gave us really not much new.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this time we got not just daddy issues, but

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<v Speaker 3>daddy in law issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, his actual dad seemed like a cool guy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he maybe the first good dad on this show. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>except for absolutely prompted Jin to get on that airplane,

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<v Speaker 1>so that didn't work out so well for him, But

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely no influence of his child. But well, except for that,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the.

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<v Speaker 3>Issue were him the way he felt about his dad

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<v Speaker 3>and the way he was ashamed, and the way night

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<v Speaker 3>basically didn't existence.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, he got in with the rich dad. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>you feel so much better? Buddy? Wasn't that great?

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<v Speaker 3>How's that working out for you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And so we saw the other side of the

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<v Speaker 1>getting the puppy, and we saw the other side of

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<v Speaker 1>the coming home with the bloody shirt, which in fact

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<v Speaker 1>did not involve guns. So I take back my earlier

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<v Speaker 1>supposition that Jin must know what to do with a gun,

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<v Speaker 1>and why don't they ask him if they knew anything

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<v Speaker 1>or could communicate with him at all? So he knows

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<v Speaker 1>one English word now, Yes, he knows how to beat

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<v Speaker 1>people up real good. Yeah, and he knows boat and

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<v Speaker 1>he knows now that he has a translator right there

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<v Speaker 1>on the island. How convenient. Not that he's going to

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<v Speaker 1>speak to her for any for a while now. But oops,

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<v Speaker 1>the son was caught in a very bad dilemma where

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to kill him unless she spoke up

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<v Speaker 1>in English. But once she spoke up in English, all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of other bleep was going to hit the fan.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, but I didn't understand when they were having

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<v Speaker 3>Sin and John were Sinn Son and Jin. Son and

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<v Speaker 3>Jin were having their their final argument as he's packing

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<v Speaker 3>up his stuff and leaving in a huff to walk right,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, one hundred yards away to the beach

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>The people have recently been trying to kill him, but okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Right exactly, they were speaking Korean when they were fighting,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she said like two lines in English, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>leave you, but I yes, then I decided that you

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<v Speaker 3>still love me or something, so like what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And she said, I think she said, can we start over?

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<v Speaker 1>And he said no in Korean? Yeah, he said it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Too late, So like were we supposed to be thinking

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<v Speaker 3>that she was speaking Korean at that time? Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>what I mean confused about on this show? I know

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<v Speaker 3>it's low on the list, but still.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah. I also felt that was very odd

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<v Speaker 1>and also sad that they couldn't just everybody gets a

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<v Speaker 1>new wife on the island, ask Shannon, Yeah, who I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure has only honorable intentions towards sight and Boone is

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<v Speaker 1>completely wrong. You know, you can you cannot like him

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<v Speaker 1>saying it and still think, yeah, he's probably right, oh dear.

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<v Speaker 3>Not saying he's he can take care of himself.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's very pretty, shiny object shiny hair. Yeah, very

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<v Speaker 1>very pretty hair. Her hair was like glowing from across

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<v Speaker 1>the Yeah. No, I actually think that was I think

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<v Speaker 1>that was. I couldn't figure out who was that on

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<v Speaker 1>the rocks way in the background at one point, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was Charlie and Claire Claire. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was Claire's golden locks gleaming in the room, like, yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta find they should have done a sponsorship thing

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<v Speaker 1>where the storyline would be that they had one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>cases of a certain brand of shampoo in the cold

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<v Speaker 1>of the plane exactly, and that's why their hair looks

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<v Speaker 1>so fantastic. But I, aside from the fact that it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really break any particularly new ground in the flashbacks,

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<v Speaker 1>I had a very bad problem with this episode, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is that I was watching it from the couch

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<v Speaker 1>on my TV set. I must don't want to read

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<v Speaker 1>subheads from the captions from that distance. They're just especially

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<v Speaker 1>if one time, like he turned around and the caption

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<v Speaker 1>was up against like a light blue shirt, I'm come on, right,

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<v Speaker 1>not enough when it's actually there's some cond now you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do this, So I just you know, I also

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<v Speaker 1>multitask while I watch, so it's like, oh, wait, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to look at the screen now, and oh I

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<v Speaker 1>can't really see what it says, and it's giving me

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<v Speaker 3>Down, there was a fair amount of running around and

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<v Speaker 3>bouncing around that yeah that bothered you, That bothers me.

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<v Speaker 3>So we both had issues.

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<v Speaker 1>So and and really at the end of it, if

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<v Speaker 1>we had skipped this episode would have made any difference. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, okay, everybody now.

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<v Speaker 3>Knows how everybody in English.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also the raft. Yeah, well the raft. The

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<v Speaker 1>raft didn't exist before this episode, and now it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>exist at the end of the episode. So we could

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<v Speaker 1>just have thought next episode that they were just building.

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<v Speaker 3>It since they're starting over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Locke is continuing to be I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's he's for island dadding. He is very perceptive.

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<v Speaker 1>He uh, he knew that it was Walt. He figured

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<v Speaker 1>that out, that said the raft on fire. He told

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<v Speaker 1>a story to distract everybody else, saying that it was

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<v Speaker 1>the others.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if he knew at that time that

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<v Speaker 1>it was Walt, but I think he did. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell myself he did that. He was just taking the

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<v Speaker 3>I at that point I thought he had done it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I thought so too.

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<v Speaker 3>Throwing suspicion a member self.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that would be reasonable, a reasonable take as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But I I don't blame Walt. I mean, from a

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<v Speaker 1>kid his age's point of view, running around the island

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a lot more fun than the flat iron building.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're going to go to New York where

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<v Speaker 1>there are buildings. Man, none of these trees and beach

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<v Speaker 1>and dog running around and all that. No buildings. It's

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<v Speaker 1>super keen up.

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<v Speaker 3>In the one bedroom apartment. Can't wait for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't know that I would have gone

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<v Speaker 1>to the link of burning the raft, but I can

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<v Speaker 1>understand where he's coming from.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, and then that gave a Locke the chance

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<v Speaker 3>to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like it here too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, yeah, we figured that out about you.

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<v Speaker 1>League of Escape Thwarts. Those two. Boone probably likes it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're fairly well too, because it gets to be jungle

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<v Speaker 1>Boy and uh be rude to his sister. See, if

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<v Speaker 1>they were home, somebody would be give them a talking

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<v Speaker 1>to for that. That's right from a parenting point of view.

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<v Speaker 3>As we've as we've surmised, those two didn't have the

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<v Speaker 3>greatest parent.

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<v Speaker 1>They did not, no, no more the greatest relationship. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know she deserves a little a little bad talk, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know rise above Boon learned that from Lock

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe log is just mister philosophery. He gave Shannon advice.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't need to like, you know, do whatever you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you Why do you care what Boon thinks? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Leave them alone?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, and that was another their like island popa moment

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<v Speaker 3>of like, yes, you know, one kids to complain to

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<v Speaker 3>you about their sibling, the parent has to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>why do you care what he thinks?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly? Yes, that was some very parenting advice, very parenting advice. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know locks showing some skills.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack was mostly just a man at Sawyer forgiveting a

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<v Speaker 1>seat on the road. Yeah, and really don't they want

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<v Speaker 1>to ship that guy away? I mean, there's no guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>this raft is going to get anywhere. Wouldn't he be

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<v Speaker 1>the first person you put on it?

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you're going to make it and save us all.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you're going to fall into the ocean. Either way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a way.

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<v Speaker 3>Either way it works out for me.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have you underfoot exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So what they said it was four people, So it

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<v Speaker 3>was Michael Walt Sawyer And who was the other one?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that there's one left that. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how they were to decide who got the fourth

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<v Speaker 1>unless Jack was asking him about who is going to

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<v Speaker 1>go with you? And he said, well, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>seats was already taken, so who else if you were

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<v Speaker 1>my I mean, I understand Michael wanting to get Walt

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<v Speaker 1>off the island. That's a solid parenting thing, regardless of

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<v Speaker 1>whether he enjoys it there or not. That's not a

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<v Speaker 1>good place. But you're going to take him on this

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<v Speaker 1>raft that seems to me has a pretty high possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of sinking at some point. Why would you not say,

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to go do this for you son,

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to take this raft. I am going

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<v Speaker 1>to go and I'm going to bring somebody back to

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<v Speaker 1>save us. Take the kid with you, do you?

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<v Speaker 3>Well? It's a I think, Michael, one of those big

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<v Speaker 3>dilemmas for a parent, right, Like it would be yes,

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<v Speaker 3>do you do you take him with you so that

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<v Speaker 3>you you know, you have your eyes? Yes, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>He has left him behind before. I mean, he has

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<v Speaker 1>had to do without him being under his care for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time. So I just can see where he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't want to let up, right or do you? But

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<v Speaker 1>but the trade off is it's frisky, pretty decent chance

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<v Speaker 1>y'all are gonna drown. But that's okay, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>build the raft and send other people off on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Make them promise you come back here.

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<v Speaker 1>Sawyer seems eager. Yeah, I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>You can count on that guy to come back, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's super scary on that island, and there are

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<v Speaker 1>But that raft don't look like such a good bat,

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<v Speaker 1>right I think I would be. I'll stay here and

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<v Speaker 1>keep the fire going, y'all. You go ahead, bring me

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<v Speaker 1>bring me back something, will you? Yeah? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a quandary, I guess. But they'll build it

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<v Speaker 3>Just always more parts of the airplane to be scavenged.

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<v Speaker 1>That airplane is uh, you know really uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>versatile piece of crop. It can pretty much expand to

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Harry we found another plane. It's fine.

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<v Speaker 3>of Requirement, and it's just you know, when you go

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<v Speaker 3>it to be. Ah, So that would be nice kind

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<v Speaker 3>of what the plane is?

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<v Speaker 1>Where do we get one of them? Yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>the deck on Star Trek.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, yeah, you know, if you feel.

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<v Speaker 1>Like having an episode today set in the roaring twenties.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, right, gotcha, exactly, that's what the that's a super

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<v Speaker 3>handy plot device, Yes, absolutely, And that's what this plane is.

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<v Speaker 1>The plane is somewhat of that. They don't even have

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<v Speaker 1>the whole plane, right, they just have like two thirds

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Yeah, lots of materials.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, well, and they burned it, remember they they Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's right, a big piece of the plane.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's why all the pieces of the raft look

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<v Speaker 1>all burnt up. But then why is the raft destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>if this thing has already gone through the fire once.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the metal pieces are probably still okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>all the rope or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Michael even said that they burnt all my twine, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh sorry, Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to like Michael, I really do. He got

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<v Speaker 1>a raw deal, But boy, he doesn't seem I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather stay on the island with Locke and like,

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<v Speaker 1>you go ahead, dad. He just he's like a fight,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. He just doesn't seem like you'd be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fun to be stuck on an island with.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going through some stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going through some stuff. There's some chips on them shoulders. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, this whole I mean, the thing with Gin

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<v Speaker 1>and him fighting has been established since the beginning, but

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<v Speaker 1>it takes some time off in between. Yes, and then

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden they're just right as hating each

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<v Speaker 1>other as they were before.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and we wonder where that all came from.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and as we've known, don't cross Sawyer. He looked

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<v Speaker 1>like some pretty vicious beating down going on there. Poor

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<v Speaker 1>Jin so misunderested. But you know, I think he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be tied to Sun for the time being, just

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<v Speaker 1>for trans if nothing else. Yeah, yeah, unless they can

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<v Speaker 1>they can get them one of those learn English in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, twenty days books or tapes that just happened

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<v Speaker 1>to be survived the crash. Yeah, we found this under

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of hair conditioners here words for you,

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<v Speaker 1>picked up some beers and it was right underneath.

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<v Speaker 3>But some coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, just was just out in the jungle, or

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<v Speaker 2>No, not as smart as Gin, those bores.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, and poor Hurley. First, Hurley tries to be

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<v Speaker 1>friendly to the island outcast Gin and gets completely blown off.

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<v Speaker 1>Although if a guy's plan playing golf with rocks, I

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<v Speaker 1>would probably back away. It's just somebody who is significantly angry.

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<v Speaker 1>You probably don't want to be anywhere he can hit

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<v Speaker 1>a rock at you. But still, that's who Early is.

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<v Speaker 1>He's that guy. He goes off after the misunderstood person

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<v Speaker 1>and tries to help, but at the end of the episode,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what he gets for his troubles. The battery

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<v Speaker 1>on his player finally dies. That was a nice touch

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<v Speaker 1>though that it appeared to be background music for the

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<v Speaker 1>ending montage and then it just stopped.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I'm like hitting the volume button on my

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<v Speaker 3>on my TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, wait, you and Hurley are both lost. But I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if that means anything? Is there some significance to

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<v Speaker 1>that well run out?

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<v Speaker 3>Yay for next week being a Hurley flashback, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, finally we have Yes, Yes, it's his turn for sure. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and love that guy. What a great character he is

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<v Speaker 1>just always therefore a little light light relief. Yes, please

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<v Speaker 1>let us not find out that he was tortured and

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<v Speaker 1>has had many traumatic events in his past.

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<v Speaker 3>Or that he was torturing like he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was he was a hit man, and then he just

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<v Speaker 1>decided no, I'm gonna just stop doing this, and then

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<v Speaker 1>this is what happens to him. Yeah, maybe he could

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<v Speaker 1>have used a gun. You never know. Nobody thought asking him.

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<v Speaker 3>Nobody asked him, underestimated really Yeah, well we'll find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know, hopefully much more more informative episode than

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<v Speaker 1>this one. So next Tuesday, we'll continue as promised with

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<v Speaker 1>season one episode eighteen of Lost Numbers, and we will

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<v Speaker 1>see you back here tomorrow to discuss only murders in

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<v Speaker 1>the building. Numbers are kind of a big deal in

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<v Speaker 1>this show, so we have we haven't really been introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to the numbers all that much. It's a whole episode

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<v Speaker 1>named after them. Numbers. Seriously, anytime they say a number

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<v Speaker 1>on the show, read now yeah, because I will to

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