Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of October
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, we're continuing with Lost, Season one, episode seventeen
Speaker 1: dot dot dot in translation, Lost in Translate, get it,
Speaker 1: get it, get it, get it, Pope, Pope poke. They
Speaker 1: do enjoy he do, except as a copy editor, I
Speaker 1: have to say that they uppercase the eye in the
Speaker 1: middle of the episode. And that doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Then no, I know that, but okay, so.
Speaker 1: Whatever, yes, so I'm just putting it down, okay, editing.
Speaker 3: Them very good.
Speaker 1: So this had to be either a Sun or Gin episode,
Speaker 1: and it was in fact a Gin episode, which pretty
Speaker 1: much went over the same territory as Sun's episode. From
Speaker 1: his point of view, I think we kind of got
Speaker 1: his point of view. Yeah, mostly the first time, but
Speaker 1: this gave us really not much new.
Speaker 3: Well, this time we got not just daddy issues, but
Speaker 3: daddy in law issues.
Speaker 1: Yes, his actual dad seemed like a cool guy, right,
Speaker 1: he maybe the first good dad on this show. Yes,
Speaker 1: except for absolutely prompted Jin to get on that airplane,
Speaker 1: so that didn't work out so well for him, But
Speaker 1: absolutely no influence of his child. But well, except for that,
Speaker 1: I guess the.
Speaker 3: Issue were him the way he felt about his dad
Speaker 3: and the way he was ashamed, and the way night
Speaker 3: basically didn't existence.
Speaker 1: But hey, he got in with the rich dad. Don't
Speaker 1: you feel so much better? Buddy? Wasn't that great?
Speaker 3: How's that working out for you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And so we saw the other side of the
Speaker 1: getting the puppy, and we saw the other side of
Speaker 1: the coming home with the bloody shirt, which in fact
Speaker 1: did not involve guns. So I take back my earlier
Speaker 1: supposition that Jin must know what to do with a gun,
Speaker 1: and why don't they ask him if they knew anything
Speaker 1: or could communicate with him at all? So he knows
Speaker 1: one English word now, Yes, he knows how to beat
Speaker 1: people up real good. Yeah, and he knows boat and
Speaker 1: he knows now that he has a translator right there
Speaker 1: on the island. How convenient. Not that he's going to
Speaker 1: speak to her for any for a while now. But oops,
Speaker 1: the son was caught in a very bad dilemma where
Speaker 1: they were going to kill him unless she spoke up
Speaker 1: in English. But once she spoke up in English, all
Speaker 1: sorts of other bleep was going to hit the fan.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, but I didn't understand when they were having
Speaker 3: Sin and John were Sinn Son and Jin. Son and
Speaker 3: Jin were having their their final argument as he's packing
Speaker 3: up his stuff and leaving in a huff to walk right,
Speaker 3: I don't know, one hundred yards away to the beach
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: The people have recently been trying to kill him, but okay.
Speaker 3: Right exactly, they were speaking Korean when they were fighting,
Speaker 3: and then she said like two lines in English, yes,
Speaker 3: very important lines about like how I was going to
Speaker 3: leave you, but I yes, then I decided that you
Speaker 3: still love me or something, so like what happened.
Speaker 1: And she said, I think she said, can we start over?
Speaker 1: And he said no in Korean? Yeah, he said it's.
Speaker 3: Too late, So like were we supposed to be thinking
Speaker 3: that she was speaking Korean at that time? Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: what I mean confused about on this show? I know
Speaker 3: it's low on the list, but still.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah. I also felt that was very odd
Speaker 1: and also sad that they couldn't just everybody gets a
Speaker 1: new wife on the island, ask Shannon, Yeah, who I'm
Speaker 1: sure has only honorable intentions towards sight and Boone is
Speaker 1: completely wrong. You know, you can you cannot like him
Speaker 1: saying it and still think, yeah, he's probably right, oh dear.
Speaker 3: Not saying he's he can take care of himself.
Speaker 1: But she's very pretty, shiny object shiny hair. Yeah, very
Speaker 1: very pretty hair. Her hair was like glowing from across
Speaker 1: the Yeah. No, I actually think that was I think
Speaker 1: that was. I couldn't figure out who was that on
Speaker 1: the rocks way in the background at one point, but
Speaker 1: I think it was Charlie and Claire Claire. I think
Speaker 1: it was Claire's golden locks gleaming in the room, like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we gotta find they should have done a sponsorship thing
Speaker 1: where the storyline would be that they had one hundred
Speaker 1: cases of a certain brand of shampoo in the cold
Speaker 1: of the plane exactly, and that's why their hair looks
Speaker 1: so fantastic. But I, aside from the fact that it
Speaker 1: didn't really break any particularly new ground in the flashbacks,
Speaker 1: I had a very bad problem with this episode, and
Speaker 1: that is that I was watching it from the couch
Speaker 1: on my TV set. I must don't want to read
Speaker 1: subheads from the captions from that distance. They're just especially
Speaker 1: if one time, like he turned around and the caption
Speaker 1: was up against like a light blue shirt, I'm come on, right,
Speaker 1: not enough when it's actually there's some cond now you're
Speaker 1: gonna do this, So I just you know, I also
Speaker 1: multitask while I watch, so it's like, oh, wait, I
Speaker 1: have to look at the screen now, and oh I
Speaker 1: can't really see what it says, and it's giving me
Speaker 1: a headache trying to look so uh.
Speaker 3: Down, there was a fair amount of running around and
Speaker 3: bouncing around that yeah that bothered you, That bothers me.
Speaker 3: So we both had issues.
Speaker 1: So and and really at the end of it, if
Speaker 1: we had skipped this episode would have made any difference. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess, okay, everybody now.
Speaker 3: Knows how everybody in English.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also the raft. Yeah, well the raft. The
Speaker 1: raft didn't exist before this episode, and now it doesn't
Speaker 1: exist at the end of the episode. So we could
Speaker 1: just have thought next episode that they were just building.
Speaker 3: It since they're starting over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Locke is continuing to be I mean, I
Speaker 1: think he's he's for island dadding. He is very perceptive.
Speaker 1: He uh, he knew that it was Walt. He figured
Speaker 1: that out, that said the raft on fire. He told
Speaker 1: a story to distract everybody else, saying that it was
Speaker 1: the others.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he knew at that time that
Speaker 1: it was Walt, but I think he did. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell myself he did that. He was just taking the
Speaker 1: focus off.
Speaker 3: I at that point I thought he had done it.
Speaker 1: Yes, I thought so too.
Speaker 3: Throwing suspicion a member self.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be reasonable, a reasonable take as well.
Speaker 1: But I I don't blame Walt. I mean, from a
Speaker 1: kid his age's point of view, running around the island
Speaker 1: seems like a lot more fun than the flat iron building.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're going to go to New York where
Speaker 1: there are buildings. Man, none of these trees and beach
Speaker 1: and dog running around and all that. No buildings. It's
Speaker 1: super keen up.
Speaker 3: In the one bedroom apartment. Can't wait for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't know that I would have gone
Speaker 1: to the link of burning the raft, but I can
Speaker 1: understand where he's coming from.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and then that gave a Locke the chance
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it here too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, yeah, we figured that out about you.
Speaker 1: League of Escape Thwarts. Those two. Boone probably likes it.
Speaker 1: They're fairly well too, because it gets to be jungle
Speaker 1: Boy and uh be rude to his sister. See, if
Speaker 1: they were home, somebody would be give them a talking
Speaker 1: to for that. That's right from a parenting point of view.
Speaker 3: As we've as we've surmised, those two didn't have the
Speaker 3: greatest parent.
Speaker 1: They did not, no, no more the greatest relationship. So
Speaker 1: you know she deserves a little a little bad talk, yes,
Speaker 1: but you know rise above Boon learned that from Lock
Speaker 1: Maybe log is just mister philosophery. He gave Shannon advice.
Speaker 1: Didn't need to like, you know, do whatever you want
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 3: What do you Why do you care what Boon thinks? Right?
Speaker 1: Leave them alone?
Speaker 3: Well, and that was another their like island popa moment
Speaker 3: of like, yes, you know, one kids to complain to
Speaker 3: you about their sibling, the parent has to be like,
Speaker 3: why do you care what he thinks?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Yes, that was some very parenting advice, very parenting advice. Right, So,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know locks showing some skills.
Speaker 1: Jack was mostly just a man at Sawyer forgiveting a
Speaker 1: seat on the road. Yeah, and really don't they want
Speaker 1: to ship that guy away? I mean, there's no guarantee
Speaker 1: this raft is going to get anywhere. Wouldn't he be
Speaker 1: the first person you put on it?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: Maybe you're going to make it and save us all.
Speaker 1: Maybe you're going to fall into the ocean. Either way,
Speaker 1: it's a way.
Speaker 3: Either way it works out for me.
Speaker 1: We don't have you underfoot exactly.
Speaker 3: So what they said it was four people, So it
Speaker 3: was Michael Walt Sawyer And who was the other one?
Speaker 1: Well, I think that there's one left that. I don't
Speaker 1: know how they were to decide who got the fourth
Speaker 1: unless Jack was asking him about who is going to
Speaker 1: go with you? And he said, well, one of the
Speaker 1: seats was already taken, so who else if you were
Speaker 1: my I mean, I understand Michael wanting to get Walt
Speaker 1: off the island. That's a solid parenting thing, regardless of
Speaker 1: whether he enjoys it there or not. That's not a
Speaker 1: good place. But you're going to take him on this
Speaker 1: raft that seems to me has a pretty high possibility
Speaker 1: of sinking at some point. Why would you not say,
Speaker 1: I am going to go do this for you son,
Speaker 1: I am going to take this raft. I am going
Speaker 1: to go and I'm going to bring somebody back to
Speaker 1: save us. Take the kid with you, do you?
Speaker 3: Well? It's a I think, Michael, one of those big
Speaker 3: dilemmas for a parent, right, Like it would be yes,
Speaker 3: do you do you take him with you so that
Speaker 3: you you know, you have your eyes? Yes, that's true.
Speaker 1: He has left him behind before. I mean, he has
Speaker 1: had to do without him being under his care for
Speaker 1: a long time. So I just can see where he
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to let up, right or do you? But
Speaker 1: but the trade off is it's frisky, pretty decent chance
Speaker 1: y'all are gonna drown. But that's okay, you know, just
Speaker 1: build the raft and send other people off on it.
Speaker 3: Make them promise you come back here.
Speaker 1: Sawyer seems eager. Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 3: You can count on that guy to come back, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's super scary on that island, and there are
Speaker 1: these unknown others who have you know, killed people and
Speaker 1: just seem extremely scary, and there are animals and stuff.
Speaker 1: But that raft don't look like such a good bat,
Speaker 1: right I think I would be. I'll stay here and
Speaker 1: keep the fire going, y'all. You go ahead, bring me
Speaker 1: bring me back something, will you? Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 1: That is a quandary, I guess. But they'll build it
Speaker 1: back stronger, better, possibly.
Speaker 3: Just always more parts of the airplane to be scavenged.
Speaker 1: That airplane is uh, you know really uh you know,
Speaker 1: versatile piece of crop. It can pretty much expand to
Speaker 1: whatever you needed to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the Harry we found another plane. It's fine.
Speaker 3: In the Harry Potter universe, there's something called the Room
Speaker 3: of Requirement, and it's just you know, when you go
Speaker 3: in there, it's it is whatever, it's whatever you require
Speaker 3: it to be. Ah, So that would be nice kind
Speaker 3: of what the plane is?
Speaker 1: Where do we get one of them? Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: the deck on Star Trek.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, you know, if you feel.
Speaker 1: Like having an episode today set in the roaring twenties.
Speaker 3: Hey, right, gotcha, exactly, that's what the that's a super
Speaker 3: handy plot device, Yes, absolutely, And that's what this plane is.
Speaker 1: The plane is somewhat of that. They don't even have
Speaker 1: the whole plane, right, they just have like two thirds
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, lots of materials.
Speaker 3: Oh well, well, and they burned it, remember they they Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right, a big piece of the plane.
Speaker 1: So that's why all the pieces of the raft look
Speaker 1: all burnt up. But then why is the raft destroyed
Speaker 1: if this thing has already gone through the fire once.
Speaker 1: I guess the metal pieces are probably still okay, but
Speaker 1: all the rope or whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Michael even said that they burnt all my twine, Like,
Speaker 3: oh sorry, Michael.
Speaker 1: I want to like Michael, I really do. He got
Speaker 1: a raw deal, But boy, he doesn't seem I think
Speaker 1: I'd rather stay on the island with Locke and like,
Speaker 1: you go ahead, dad. He just he's like a fight,
Speaker 1: you know. He just doesn't seem like you'd be a
Speaker 1: lot of fun to be stuck on an island with.
Speaker 3: He's going through some stuff.
Speaker 1: He's going through some stuff. There's some chips on them shoulders. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, this whole I mean, the thing with Gin
Speaker 1: and him fighting has been established since the beginning, but
Speaker 1: it takes some time off in between. Yes, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they're just right as hating each
Speaker 1: other as they were before.
Speaker 3: Right, and we wonder where that all came from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and as we've known, don't cross Sawyer. He looked
Speaker 1: like some pretty vicious beating down going on there. Poor
Speaker 1: Jin so misunderested. But you know, I think he's going
Speaker 1: to be tied to Sun for the time being, just
Speaker 1: for trans if nothing else. Yeah, yeah, unless they can
Speaker 1: they can get them one of those learn English in
Speaker 1: you know, twenty days books or tapes that just happened
Speaker 1: to be survived the crash. Yeah, we found this under
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of hair conditioners here words for you,
Speaker 1: picked up some beers and it was right underneath.
Speaker 3: But some coffee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just was just out in the jungle, or
Speaker 1: was trying to learn how to speak English. Not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: No, not as smart as Gin, those bores.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and poor Hurley. First, Hurley tries to be
Speaker 1: friendly to the island outcast Gin and gets completely blown off.
Speaker 1: Although if a guy's plan playing golf with rocks, I
Speaker 1: would probably back away. It's just somebody who is significantly angry.
Speaker 1: You probably don't want to be anywhere he can hit
Speaker 1: a rock at you. But still, that's who Early is.
Speaker 1: He's that guy. He goes off after the misunderstood person
Speaker 1: and tries to help, but at the end of the episode,
Speaker 1: this is what he gets for his troubles. The battery
Speaker 1: on his player finally dies. That was a nice touch
Speaker 1: though that it appeared to be background music for the
Speaker 1: ending montage and then it just stopped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like hitting the volume button on my
Speaker 3: on my TV.
Speaker 1: Like, wait, you and Hurley are both lost. But I
Speaker 1: wonder if that means anything? Is there some significance to
Speaker 1: that well run out?
Speaker 3: Yay for next week being a Hurley flashback, because.
Speaker 1: Yes, finally we have Yes, Yes, it's his turn for sure. Yes,
Speaker 1: and love that guy. What a great character he is
Speaker 1: just always therefore a little light light relief. Yes, please
Speaker 1: let us not find out that he was tortured and
Speaker 1: has had many traumatic events in his past.
Speaker 3: Or that he was torturing like he.
Speaker 1: Was he was a hit man, and then he just
Speaker 1: decided no, I'm gonna just stop doing this, and then
Speaker 1: this is what happens to him. Yeah, maybe he could
Speaker 1: have used a gun. You never know. Nobody thought asking him.
Speaker 3: Nobody asked him, underestimated really Yeah, well we'll find out.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, hopefully much more more informative episode than
Speaker 1: this one. So next Tuesday, we'll continue as promised with
Speaker 1: season one episode eighteen of Lost Numbers, and we will
Speaker 1: see you back here tomorrow to discuss only murders in
Speaker 1: the building. Numbers are kind of a big deal in
Speaker 1: this show, so we have we haven't really been introduced
Speaker 1: to the numbers all that much. It's a whole episode
Speaker 1: named after them. Numbers. Seriously, anytime they say a number
Speaker 1: on the show, read now yeah, because I will to
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