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<v Speaker 1>Meaning a light Man like this man letting butterfly flapping

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<v Speaker 1>and wing. They've down in a forest. Man, it gonna

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<v Speaker 1>cause the tree fall, letting five thousand miles away. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody seen nobody else.

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<v Speaker 2>See.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need no man, you don't like You follow

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<v Speaker 1>another story and you got back to flect that I

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<v Speaker 1>still win. Man, don't like to d on the panel. Man, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't don't better, Man, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, it's so over, the line goes idiot, most often

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<v Speaker 2>expressed in a somewhat joking manner, that the game busted, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you're lost it all, there's nothing more to do. And

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<v Speaker 2>again it's a joke, right, Most of the people saying

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<v Speaker 2>it don't actually beat it. But there is a strong

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<v Speaker 2>thread of pessimism on our side of things. And I

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<v Speaker 2>understand why if you're interested in the arc of civilization,

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<v Speaker 2>you pull the threads. You say, well, things are going badly.

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<v Speaker 2>Now how long have they been going badly? And every

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<v Speaker 2>group has their own answer. Is it sixty four? Is

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<v Speaker 2>it forty four? Is it thirty four? Is it the

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<v Speaker 2>sixteenth century? Is it the christianization of the Roman Empire? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>We all have our own answer for where it went wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>and look that pessimism is rational. Things are not going well.

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<v Speaker 2>My last monologue I spoke to you about exactly that

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting screwed. You've been getting screwed for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that there is a danger in pessimism.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean a danger in realism, the desire to

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<v Speaker 2>look at the cards you've been dealt and realized that, well, shoot,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have a lot of margin here. The consequence

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<v Speaker 2>is for failure or dire something I've expressed over and

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<v Speaker 2>over and over again. But the problem is when that

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<v Speaker 2>realism morphs into despair. There's a reason that many Christian

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<v Speaker 2>traditions have viewed despair as the sand right abandoning all hope.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at Pilgrim's progress, the slough of despond, the

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<v Speaker 2>swamp of despair, as we would say in our modern parlance,

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<v Speaker 2>which is sort of like the death of the horse

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<v Speaker 2>in the Never Ending Story, This sort of quicksand right

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<v Speaker 2>that sucks you down and kills you. It stops your

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<v Speaker 2>for momentum and condemns you to death. Similarly, I think

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<v Speaker 2>of Second Kings right. It was Elijah, I believe, who

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<v Speaker 2>called down fire from heaven completely emulate, immolated the altars

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<v Speaker 2>of ball, killed all of his priests, and then just

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<v Speaker 2>a few short lines later, he's in a cave by himself,

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<v Speaker 2>asking God to kill him right. He's given up completely

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<v Speaker 2>and totally. And again, I don't want to be a

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<v Speaker 2>Pollyanna here. The situation is dire across the West. That's

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<v Speaker 2>why we're all here. We recognize that things are not

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<v Speaker 2>going well. But I think that there is this creeping

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<v Speaker 2>feeling that it's too late, that there's nothing to be done.

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<v Speaker 2>It's too far gone. We can't turn back. We're over

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<v Speaker 2>the slope. We've hit the point where it's all over.

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<v Speaker 2>But something has recently happened that is, in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>very hopeful, and that is the recent results out of England,

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<v Speaker 2>the recent council elections. In the episode after this we'll

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<v Speaker 2>go into the details how that system works, what it means,

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<v Speaker 2>but suffice it to say England's been in a bad

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<v Speaker 2>spot for a long time. The immigration they've experienced has

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<v Speaker 2>been much more dramatic over a shorter period of time,

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<v Speaker 2>producing a much more notable rise in violence and exploitation

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<v Speaker 2>than we've seen in America. We got the slow acting poison,

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<v Speaker 2>they got two shots to the back of the head.

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<v Speaker 2>And because of that, there's been a desire from certain

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<v Speaker 2>Americans to sort of gloat about it, particularly in the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of maga slopulist for those unfamiliar term and illusion

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<v Speaker 2>of populist and slop right, the kind of low quality,

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<v Speaker 2>technically conservative engagement farming accounts to paint England is sort

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<v Speaker 2>of super California. Boy mate, you got a license for

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<v Speaker 2>that as a funny joke. But people take it very seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>They view England as being completely and totally cocked that

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<v Speaker 2>there is no one there standing up against it. And okay, look,

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<v Speaker 2>if we compare apples to apples, the situation in England

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<v Speaker 2>particularly bad. Their speech laws are draconian. Their enforcement of

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<v Speaker 2>speech as well as you know, basic Western rights such

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<v Speaker 2>as self defense is tyrannical. Right, just look at what

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<v Speaker 2>happened after Southport. But we have a reason for hope, right,

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<v Speaker 2>We have something that looks promising, that looks as a

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<v Speaker 2>way to well arrest the decline. The recent elections were

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<v Speaker 2>notable for a couple reasons, but I think foremostub is

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<v Speaker 2>that we've seen that the populace is significantly to the

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<v Speaker 2>right of the political establishment. There's a major gap between

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<v Speaker 2>the ruler and the rule. The political formula, the core

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<v Speaker 2>reason why the people are in charge justify their power.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't work anymore. And look, when I speak derisively

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<v Speaker 2>of populists, of course I am talking about populism TM,

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<v Speaker 2>but also that conception, the idea that power works its

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<v Speaker 2>way up from the bottom. We understand that is not true.

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<v Speaker 2>But there must be a certain form of consent. And

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<v Speaker 2>when I say consent, I don't mean liberal consent is

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<v Speaker 2>in direct representation, but quite simply, a ruler needs the

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<v Speaker 2>mandate of heaven. He needs to be seen to be

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat legitimate. Legitimate doesn't mean nice, of course, Legitimate doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily even mean popular. But no one thought Genghis Khan

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<v Speaker 2>was illege. It's clear why he was in charge. Look

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<v Speaker 2>at stalin his political formula. His justification is basically do

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<v Speaker 2>what I want or else, and it works. But when

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<v Speaker 2>you have softer rulers, rulers who aren't willing to well

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<v Speaker 2>stack their ops like cord would. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>Keir Starmer or our own rulers in America are willing

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<v Speaker 2>to do so, despite their sort of genocidal fantasies about

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<v Speaker 2>so called confederates. Right, we have a problem, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's what we're seeing in England. Just to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of allide over the results quickly. The right wing block

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<v Speaker 2>nominal of course, by which we mean three Parties Reform,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Nigel Faraj's populist party, think British Trump and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a perfect analogy, but close enough for what

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing here. The Conservatives, who technically want a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>but to be honest, I think are going extinct as

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<v Speaker 2>a party. Right, the oldest political party in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>has so fully squad under all their political capital they

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<v Speaker 2>seem to be ceasing to exist after a massive betrayal, right,

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<v Speaker 2>look into the Boris Way if you're curious. And then

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<v Speaker 2>a new force right restore Britain, which is, be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>very exciting to me. And look I'm biased. I have

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<v Speaker 2>friends there, people on who have been on this show

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<v Speaker 2>work in that part. And look, I mean I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I might not be as out there as some of

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<v Speaker 2>you guys want me to. But you know, name a

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<v Speaker 2>Republican official who's been on this show. One tried and

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<v Speaker 2>well he didn't exactly make it through the Senate again

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<v Speaker 2>not his fault. He did good work, but that shows

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<v Speaker 2>you the kind of difference. Well, the right wing block

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<v Speaker 2>did quite well, Populace to pick up fourteen hundred of

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<v Speaker 2>these sort of council seats, and Reform picked up a

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<v Speaker 2>restore rather confusing branding that picked up ten. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>look at that and you say, well, it's only ten,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that many, And that's true. But one, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a very new party, a very new party, less

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<v Speaker 2>than a year old. And two that ten was a

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<v Speaker 2>clean sweep. They went ten for ten, one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>success rate. And also if we look at those ten,

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<v Speaker 2>well how do they win? They won massively. We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>fifty percent of the votes, where the next candidate, the

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<v Speaker 2>next party down ticket, hit twenty. Right, they could have

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<v Speaker 2>had their vote share and still won incredibly high turnout

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<v Speaker 2>in elections that historically do not have high turnout. We're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about vote totals that are equal to an average

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<v Speaker 2>year's total participation. Right did very, very well, and if

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<v Speaker 2>we look at the tenor of the culture, people had enough.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a sense that this is dire, that something

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be done. Even in right a state that

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<v Speaker 2>is tightly controlled where you can go to prison for

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<v Speaker 2>saying no no words. Where if you play a video

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<v Speaker 2>game online badly enough that the police of vice and

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<v Speaker 2>virtue I can't remember what they call them, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>the English Internet police will come knocking on your door.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you all remember the little browser game that

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<v Speaker 2>was going around for a while, a woman with a

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<v Speaker 2>delightfully regional British accent reading out to you the options

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<v Speaker 2>for your insert character Charlie of course, a gender neutral

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<v Speaker 2>name where you could react to different situations. Right, your

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<v Speaker 2>friends spreading dangerous means, and even in a state where

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<v Speaker 2>that is official government propaganda, right where children are being

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<v Speaker 2>warned that even downloading a video of wrong thing can

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<v Speaker 2>lead to jail time that prevent at the name of

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<v Speaker 2>the outfit come knocking on your door. You could be

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<v Speaker 2>stuck in counseling until you fix yourself leave and then

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<v Speaker 2>there's some hope. I mentioned this in the episode, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's something that came up maybe six months ago. It's

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<v Speaker 2>really stuck in my mind. Obviously. One of the things

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<v Speaker 2>that American right wingers will make fun of our cousins

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<v Speaker 2>in England about is the decroni draconian weapons laws in England,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are kind of absurd, right, we understand that

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<v Speaker 2>when you have police pose like they've taken down a

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<v Speaker 2>drug kingpin with butter knives, oyster shuckers and a potato peeler,

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<v Speaker 2>saying we took these weapons off the street. We have

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<v Speaker 2>pensioners serving time for wrestling a knife away from a

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<v Speaker 2>home invader and stabbing him. When it's illegal right to

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<v Speaker 2>carry pepper spray. It's easy to make fun of that right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's embarrassing. But this has been done to these people.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been subjected to this. It's not organic. If you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the history of England, this is not what

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<v Speaker 2>they've done. And Rupert Lowe, the head of this insurgent

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<v Speaker 2>Right When party, but those statements says, if I'm in charge,

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<v Speaker 2>we're legalizing pepper spray. And of course people were making

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<v Speaker 2>fun of them, like, oh, I can't believe pepper spray

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<v Speaker 2>is illegal in your country. It's embarrassing and to be farious.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a bad state of affairs. But that's a sign.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a sign that says no, you may defend yourself. You,

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<v Speaker 2>as an Englishman, have the right to secure yourself. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to phone the body when someone kicking down

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<v Speaker 2>your door. You have an option. No, is it a

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<v Speaker 2>great option?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>But directionally that's a change, and that's a minor thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you look at what he is saying, what

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<v Speaker 2>the people on that team are saying about remigration, right,

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<v Speaker 2>not just the illegals, they all have to go. We're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing success right. Ideas that we're completely and totally impossible

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<v Speaker 2>to bring in are well politically viable. And look, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to blow this up to be more than

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Ten seats isn't much at all. These people

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<v Speaker 2>individually don't have much power. But we're seeing a trend line,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one the left is fracturing. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that this is something we will likely see on our

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<v Speaker 2>end of the Atlantic, that these individual ethnic patronage networks

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<v Speaker 2>are realizing, well, why should I give you power in

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<v Speaker 2>exchange for gibbs. Well, when I can have both, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll start my own part. And so we've seen the

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<v Speaker 2>rise in England of these Islamic independence and they are

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what you think. And these have a Islamic urban centers,

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<v Speaker 2>the communities are running their own representatives. Saw something similar.

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<v Speaker 2>You may remember the election of Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fray

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<v Speaker 2>is big in the news during the you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>ice rates in that city. But he narrowly won his seat,

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<v Speaker 2>or won his primary, which effectively is winning his seat

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<v Speaker 2>at least in Minneapolis over a Somali ethnic interest character, right,

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<v Speaker 2>immigrants took it, right, they're getting screwed too. Now does

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<v Speaker 2>there is something, there's a way out of this. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>they lock me up, I mean, maybe take half your

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon subscription or you know, I don't know, just a

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<v Speaker 2>those guys that'd be really embarrassing. But in all seriousness, right,

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<v Speaker 2>they may be ahead of us, both in the tyranny

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<v Speaker 2>department and also well the solutions department. And this is early, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very early, but what we're seeing across the pond

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years now, seems like that trend will continue.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason I bring this up is not because

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<v Speaker 2>degree warranted. The realism, the understanding that this will not

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<v Speaker 2>idea that there's nothing to be done, that it's all over.

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<v Speaker 2>We just need to run away and hide. Another example

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<v Speaker 2>say it happens, right, let's say it all falls apart.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have power. And when I mean power, I

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<v Speaker 2>Are still workable. They are making it. They are building something.

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<v Speaker 2>And look, am I going to tell you it's easy?

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<v Speaker 2>the boomer you hated so much. Right, you were taking

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<v Speaker 2>And sure it'd be more pleasant, one hundred percent. Sure

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's less complicated, but there's at least some adventure

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<v Speaker 2>when that courage seems very distant, I think that that

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<v Speaker 2>there's sort of this glimmer of hope that, well, what

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<v Speaker 2>but the question becomes, well what do you do with it?

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<v Speaker 2>those negative sentiments are entirely legitimate. I will reiterate for

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<v Speaker 2>look to our compatriots in other countries who undoubtedly have

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<v Speaker 2>all right, well, if they can do that much, what

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<v Speaker 2>can we do Anyway? Without further ado, we'll kick us

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<v Speaker 2>over to the interview Dan Tubbs Up, Blow to the Eaters,

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<v Speaker 2>good friend of mine, great commentator. Before we start, though,

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<v Speaker 2>It's great programming, great camaraderie in the group chat. Tell

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<v Speaker 2>him I sent you. It's been my sponsor for so long,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm so bad at letting people know that. That

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<v Speaker 2>honestly just out of pity for him, not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You should send him an email, get free stuff out

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<v Speaker 2>I know the ads are annoying, but h you know,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dan, welcome back to the J. Burden Show.

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing man, No, thank you for having me, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>Always glad to have you. Whereas our politics across the

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean yeah, I mean for political junkies like me,

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently you guys announced that aliens are real, UFOs of

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<v Speaker 1>felt that we could drop one election. But that led

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<v Speaker 1>us to kiss Starmer and kits. Starmer comes in and

414
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<v Speaker 1>here is an absolute luncheon meet of a man. He

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<v Speaker 1>has no personality whatsoever, and he's given interviews where he

416
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<v Speaker 1>says that he and he admits this, he's never had

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<v Speaker 1>a dream. He's never had a dream in his own life.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't he doesn't read, he doesn't watch TV. He

419
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<v Speaker 1>appears to have no personality whatsoever. There been nothing that

420
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<v Speaker 1>livens him up apart from rules and proceeds and politics

421
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<v Speaker 1>and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>So very well, allegedly allegedly Ukrainian rent boys, but that

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<v Speaker 2>is a filthy rumor. I can ayre confirm or denay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And that trial is actually ongoing at the moment.

425
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<v Speaker 1>So it'd be very interesting to see what those Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 1>rent boys have to say, what it was that made

427
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<v Speaker 1>them want to, you know, go round to his flat

428
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<v Speaker 1>and burn down his back door. You know, we can't

429
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<v Speaker 1>we can't have the Prime minister's backdoor burning because you know,

430
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<v Speaker 1>because of some Ukrainian rent boys. So we'd be keen

431
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<v Speaker 1>to see how that goes. But anyway, no kis Starma

432
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<v Speaker 1>came along and the upsetters all greatly with his response

433
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<v Speaker 1>to the massacre of children in Southport a Rohande and

434
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<v Speaker 1>that one, and he basically called the entire country far

435
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<v Speaker 1>right for not being happy about that. And then recently

436
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<v Speaker 1>we've had the Peter Mandleson thing. I know, I know,

437
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<v Speaker 1>the Epstein files. I don't know why, but they seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have passed by without great notice in the US.

439
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what's going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's actually an interesting thing this has been. It

441
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<v Speaker 2>was sort of the wedge at the fault line between

442
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<v Speaker 2>a large part of Donald Trump's base and the man

443
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<v Speaker 2>himself personally over the Epstein stuff. Trump twenty twenty four

444
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<v Speaker 2>was a big tent. The synthesis of Trump and RFK

445
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<v Speaker 2>is kind of the perfect picture of that, where you

446
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<v Speaker 2>have on one side sort of MAGA one point zero,

447
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<v Speaker 2>you know, white working class, you know a lot of

448
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<v Speaker 2>actually middle class business people, obviously you have the injection

449
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<v Speaker 2>of tech who basically realized, if we have another Joe Biden,

450
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<v Speaker 2>we don't get to be billionaires anymore. And then also

451
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<v Speaker 2>this move of what you could kind of dismissively call

452
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<v Speaker 2>the podcast Bros, the kind of Rogan Theovon audience much

453
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<v Speaker 2>more interested in quote unquote conspiracy theory. So some of

454
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<v Speaker 2>that's the make America healthy again. They're putting chemicals in

455
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<v Speaker 2>the water, turning the frogs gay stuff. The other half

456
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<v Speaker 2>is jfk Epstein. And obviously, at least initially, there was

457
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<v Speaker 2>a great show of transparency on that matter, right the

458
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<v Speaker 2>infamous file where you know the infamous photo rather where

459
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<v Speaker 2>libs of TikTok got a giant binder full of information

460
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.519
<v Speaker 2>that was already public, and very quickly the administration and

461
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<v Speaker 2>mister Trump in particular wanted to move on, basically wanted to,

462
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<v Speaker 2>you know, shuffle it under the rug and say we

463
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<v Speaker 2>did it, America, we got them, and where are the

464
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<v Speaker 2>arrests exactly, And even the most recent tranche of files,

465
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<v Speaker 2>which was very damning, that did not come out from

466
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<v Speaker 2>the administration, that was actually forced through by Congress through

467
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<v Speaker 2>this kind of weird left right synthesis, and so point

468
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<v Speaker 2>is it is not a nude story, but it is

469
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<v Speaker 2>still very big culturally. I mean even end to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where mainstream comedian Shane Gillis did a roast of

471
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<v Speaker 2>Chris Rock. Right, it should just be a normal kind

472
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<v Speaker 2>of television event, but I believe it was. Was it

473
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<v Speaker 2>Chelsea Handler who's in the files? He goes up but

474
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<v Speaker 2>just rips her a new one for two minutes talking

475
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<v Speaker 2>about how she was in the files she was at

476
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<v Speaker 2>a seven per dinner at Epstein's house with him and

477
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<v Speaker 2>Prince Andrew And you know that hit news slightly, but

478
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:09.599
<v Speaker 2>it is and it is an area in which culture

479
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.960
<v Speaker 2>and politics are misaligned. But sorry, Dad, back to you.

480
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I mean I can see that, but

481
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<v Speaker 1>I was rather hoping rather than comedians doing the heavy lifting,

482
00:27:18.960 --> 00:27:22.839
<v Speaker 1>it would maybe that's what the FBI could before. Maybe

483
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:25.359
<v Speaker 1>they could be kicking down doors and dragging people away

484
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<v Speaker 1>in handcuffs for their involvement in this. For whatever reason,

485
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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't seem to have happened. It seems to have

486
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<v Speaker 1>had more impact here because there was Peter Bandleson, who

487
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<v Speaker 1>was one of the architects under Tony Blair. And I

488
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:39.640
<v Speaker 1>mean he's banged right in these files. I mean, he

489
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<v Speaker 1>was walking out of cabinet meetings and immediately texting Jeffrey

490
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<v Speaker 1>Epstein with what the what the UK government was about

491
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<v Speaker 1>to do? Very market market sensitive information. He's been arrested

492
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<v Speaker 1>for it. And it makes Keir Starmer look very bad

493
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<v Speaker 1>because he appointed him as US ambassador and he did

494
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<v Speaker 1>it without bothering to get security clearance. And when the

495
00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>security clearance did get done, of course he failed it.

496
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<v Speaker 1>Well at least he passed it with such caveats and

497
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<v Speaker 1>asterisks as too. It wasn't really worth much. And so

498
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<v Speaker 1>when it was emerged that he was ankled with an

499
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<v Speaker 1>ecty in the in the Epstein files, he had to

500
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.759
<v Speaker 1>be removed as US ambassador. And I mean, I mean,

501
00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and these two things, Southport and the Epstein files by themselves,

502
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that doesn't really capture it. There's a constant

503
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<v Speaker 1>drip drip of things that I won't bother going into that.

504
00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Just everybody hates this man. He appears to be sol is.

505
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.279
<v Speaker 1>He has no personality. Every major decision that he gets

506
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:38.799
<v Speaker 1>he normally you turns on. And fundamentally everything is just

507
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:42.160
<v Speaker 1>getting worse. Prices are going up. You know, every day

508
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>is a nightmare story. We used to have, you know,

509
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:48.519
<v Speaker 1>one nightmare story a decade of children being killed or

510
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:52.039
<v Speaker 1>assaulted in some way, or stabbings and stuff like that.

511
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.759
<v Speaker 1>He used to have one a decade that would make

512
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<v Speaker 1>the news like that, and everybody remember it. Now we're

513
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<v Speaker 1>getting him on a daily basis. And there is obviously

514
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<v Speaker 1>a result of the immigration we've got because it's always that,

515
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:03.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, they don't want to name the individual, and

516
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>then six months later you find out where they're a

517
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Somalian or something like that. So nobody is particularly happy

518
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:15.240
<v Speaker 1>with this state of affairs. And whilst we don't have well,

519
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.519
<v Speaker 1>you guys have midterms, and we kind of do by

520
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<v Speaker 1>having council elections. So the country is divided up into

521
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<v Speaker 1>council authorities that run the local government area of things,

522
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<v Speaker 1>and you're supposed to be voting on who can do

523
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<v Speaker 1>your vote and empty your bins and maintain street lighting

524
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>and all that sort of stuff. Nobody treats it like

525
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 1>that at all. Everybody just treats it as a referendum

526
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>on the government of the day and to indicate where

527
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<v Speaker 1>the political mood is. And it's very useful if you

528
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<v Speaker 1>are in Parliament where that where there is at least

529
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<v Speaker 1>still a little bit of power, because local councilors don't

530
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<v Speaker 1>really have much power to do much of anything. Really.

531
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<v Speaker 1>It's useful then, because of course, opinion polls show that

532
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<v Speaker 1>Labor are on track for about some between four and

533
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<v Speaker 1>twenty seats at the next electure, down from a majority

534
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<v Speaker 1>of eighty you know it having three hundred old seats

535
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<v Speaker 1>at the last election. They could be down to somewhere

536
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<v Speaker 1>between four and twenty. But those are opinion polls and

537
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>you can always sort of think to yourself, well, maybe

538
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:17.799
<v Speaker 1>the opinion polls are wrong. But when you get live

539
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<v Speaker 1>data from the voters and it came back and based

540
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<v Speaker 1>on the council election, it looks like labourheaded for seven seats,

541
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<v Speaker 1>So I suppose it's not the worst case scenario, it's

542
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<v Speaker 1>not four, but it's still an absolute wipeout. It's taking

543
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<v Speaker 1>a party which is one hundred and twenty six years old,

544
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<v Speaker 1>has been the second major power in British politics for

545
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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty years, and it is basically shooting

546
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<v Speaker 1>it through the back of the head behind the barn,

547
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.039
<v Speaker 1>at which point Labor and PS are starting to think

548
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<v Speaker 1>to themselves well, look, I don't have any qualifications whatsoever.

549
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:54.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm a completely useless bastard and nobody will hire me

550
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<v Speaker 1>again for anything of consequence, and I'll be lucky to

551
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<v Speaker 1>get a thirty grand a year job working for some

552
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<v Speaker 1>TV studio. I'd rather like to carry on being an MP.

553
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<v Speaker 1>And therefore, what can I do about not losing my

554
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.599
<v Speaker 1>seat at the next general election? And they have alighted

555
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 1>upon the idea, at least many of them. They want

556
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<v Speaker 1>to get rid of Keir Starmer because he's such a

557
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 1>truly uninspiring character. Unfortunately, Keir Starmer does not agree with that.

558
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<v Speaker 1>He's showing some metal and some passion for the first

559
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<v Speaker 1>time in his life. He seems to be truly energized

560
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<v Speaker 1>about this. He wants to carry on being Prime Minister,

561
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<v Speaker 1>and he said he wants to be Prime Minister for

562
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.720
<v Speaker 1>the next ten years, which is perhaps a little bit optimistic,

563
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>but he wants to do it till the end of

564
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 1>the term. And so currently our politics is breaking down

565
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:43.759
<v Speaker 1>because people in the government are resigning, Ministers are walking out,

566
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>briefings are being had, Government business is not getting done

567
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<v Speaker 1>because they're squabbling over who gets to be the prime minister.

568
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<v Speaker 2>So several things. They're in my kind of survey of

569
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<v Speaker 2>this data. A couple things jumped out to me. Of course,

570
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<v Speaker 2>you have Reform UK, Nigel Faraj's party surgeon. And there's

571
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<v Speaker 2>been an interesting divide that you and I have spoken about,

572
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<v Speaker 2>you and I have spoken about with the Reform Restore breakdown,

573
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 2>where it seems as if Reform is sort of running

574
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<v Speaker 2>the classic populist playbook of saying certain things, sort of

575
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>dog whistling and hinting. But you look one level down

576
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:28.759
<v Speaker 2>and wait a minute, why is there a Sikh? Why

577
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:32.119
<v Speaker 2>is there a Muslim? Why are there New Britons so

578
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.640
<v Speaker 2>to speak, running up this supposed right wing anti immigration party.

579
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<v Speaker 2>And obviously we've gone into on this show before how

580
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 2>Rupert Lows ousted, how Restore has been, I mean, honestly

581
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.359
<v Speaker 2>running a quite successful sort of insurgent campaign. But if

582
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you look at the raw vote totals, it looks as

583
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<v Speaker 2>if Reform picked up I believe was it fourteen hundred seats?

584
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.480
<v Speaker 2>I might be slightly wrong than that, and Restore seems

585
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.559
<v Speaker 2>to have picked up ten. So do you want to

586
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<v Speaker 2>explain that?

587
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.960
<v Speaker 1>And yes, there is a bit of detail there. So

588
00:33:03.079 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>right as you correctly say Nigel Frag came back from

589
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<v Speaker 1>Brexit and he set up a party Reform, and I

590
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:15.480
<v Speaker 1>mean actually he set up what was it? There was

591
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<v Speaker 1>there was another part under a slightly different name ahead

592
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<v Speaker 1>of the Boris Johnson election and basically at the last

593
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<v Speaker 1>minute he pulled it, allowing Boris Johnson to get a

594
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<v Speaker 1>huge majority, and he then went on to give us

595
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<v Speaker 1>the Boris Wave. So Nigel Frog has done this a

596
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<v Speaker 1>number of times. He's gathered up a lot of popular

597
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:37.279
<v Speaker 1>sentiment and then dissipated it at a key moment, blue

598
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 1>balling everybody and letting the establishment win again. However, Reform

599
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be a bit of a goer last time.

600
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<v Speaker 1>It won a handful of MP's and it's certainly on

601
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<v Speaker 1>track to become well, it was on track to have

602
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:52.319
<v Speaker 1>an outright majority at the next election. That has softened

603
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:57.759
<v Speaker 1>quite considerably because when Nigel Frag started speaking getting pressed

604
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<v Speaker 1>as a serious candidate for Prime minister, it appeared that

605
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.039
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to rote back on So if you so,

606
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<v Speaker 1>for example, if if if in a TV studio he's

607
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:10.079
<v Speaker 1>accused of being racist, I mean he goes into conniptions

608
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.760
<v Speaker 1>at that, and he's he's keen to suddressed. You know,

609
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<v Speaker 1>I'm not racist at all. And look, I've just I've

610
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<v Speaker 1>just found, you know, a whole bunch of Sikh candidates

611
00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Speaker 1>and we've got this guy who's a literal refugee who's

612
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.039
<v Speaker 1>now standing for us. And look at all these colored

613
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:28.360
<v Speaker 1>people who are now standing for us as you know,

614
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:32.000
<v Speaker 1>as candidates. And that that comes across as perhaps a

615
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.960
<v Speaker 1>little bit inauthentic when the white British are being basically

616
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:40.480
<v Speaker 1>replaced in their own country. You know, what what what what?

617
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<v Speaker 1>What is your what? What is your primary motivation here?

618
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<v Speaker 1>And when he gets pressed on things like immigration, he says, well,

619
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<v Speaker 1>look it's it's impossible to send back, you know, the

620
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:54.519
<v Speaker 1>hordes of immigrants that have arrived heuring recent years. And frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>for the British right, that is not good enough, because

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<v Speaker 1>when we're headed to an extinction level event, now is

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<v Speaker 1>not the time to pussy food around. You have to

624
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<v Speaker 1>actually do something, and you may have to suffer being

625
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<v Speaker 1>called racist by a bunch of London liberal elites. And

626
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<v Speaker 1>so we had been worried for quite some time that

627
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<v Speaker 1>that Nigel Fraj was not the man, and indeed he

628
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<v Speaker 1>went to the US, he met with Elon Musk for

629
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<v Speaker 1>a few days and then came back and Elon tweeted out,

630
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<v Speaker 1>Nigel Fraj is not the man, and I think, I

631
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<v Speaker 1>mean Elon got there before a lot of us, did

632
00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, he saw through them. So we'd been very

633
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<v Speaker 1>upset with Fraj and then but there was one character

634
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:39.079
<v Speaker 1>who did ring true or authentic, one of the reform

635
00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:42.840
<v Speaker 1>MPs who won Rupert Low, and he had been talking

636
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<v Speaker 1>very much about the grooming gang scandal that we've had

637
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<v Speaker 1>in this country, and he was saying we ought to

638
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>deport not only the members of the grooming gangs themselves,

639
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.719
<v Speaker 1>but they're family members who knew about it and were complicit.

640
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<v Speaker 1>And because of that, Nigel Faraj threw him out of

641
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<v Speaker 1>the party, because you know, he's so terrified of being

642
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:02.760
<v Speaker 1>seen as a character. And so Rupert has set up

643
00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 1>his own party Restore. And the way to remember it

644
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>is that Nigel Faraj thinks that reform of the existing

645
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<v Speaker 1>institutions is possible. Rupert does not think that. He thinks

646
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>the country needs to be restored to what it was

647
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<v Speaker 1>in a previous era, when we were indeed a great

648
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<v Speaker 1>nation and not the shambolic, you know, cheap Somalian knockoff

649
00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>that we are we are rapidly becoming today. So Reform

650
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.760
<v Speaker 1>did do well at the council elections. They didn't do

651
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<v Speaker 1>quite as well as they were supposed to though they

652
00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>were supposed to win something in the region of sixteen

653
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.679
<v Speaker 1>hundred to eighteen hundred seats. They actually got fourteen hundred,

654
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<v Speaker 1>so it's a very solid election for them. They did

655
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<v Speaker 1>very well, but clearly people are softening on them, and

656
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I expect this to be slow because quite frankly, you know,

657
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<v Speaker 1>we got boomers too, and it takes a long time

658
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 1>for information to permeate through to them. So most of

659
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<v Speaker 1>the I mean, we can see the pole in data

660
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<v Speaker 1>for who's backing Restore, and it's basically it's the mother

661
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and dad's generation. It's people in their thirties, forties and

662
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.360
<v Speaker 1>early fifties who are perhaps a bit more online, looking

663
00:37:12.400 --> 00:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>at their kids and thinking, we don't want to hand

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<v Speaker 1>you the country in this state. We've got to do

665
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<v Speaker 1>something about it. The older generations who aren't online, it's

666
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<v Speaker 1>harder for the message to get through to them at

667
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:27.480
<v Speaker 1>the moment. And Restore because it is a very new party,

668
00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:31.119
<v Speaker 1>it only launched about two months ago. It wasn't yet

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<v Speaker 1>in a position to field candidates across the country for

670
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<v Speaker 1>a secondary election. In fact, given the fact they've got

671
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<v Speaker 1>three years, I think they'll be doing quite well if

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<v Speaker 1>they can get six hundred and fifty fully vetted and

673
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>onboard quality candidates by the next general election. Getting thousands

674
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:49.639
<v Speaker 1>of candidates for secondary elections a bit much so. They

675
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 1>only ran in one seat, and this was kind of

676
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.280
<v Speaker 1>a test to see, you know, would the British public,

677
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<v Speaker 1>even in a small area, go for an even harder

678
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 1>line right party than Reform is meant to be. I mean,

679
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:06.159
<v Speaker 1>Reform is actually a very centerist party when you really

680
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.800
<v Speaker 1>get into it, but they pose themselves as a right

681
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>wing party. And the answer was a resounding yes. And

682
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<v Speaker 1>the most interesting thing about Restore is that they got

683
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:21.400
<v Speaker 1>much higher than normal turnout. And not only did there

684
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:23.639
<v Speaker 1>was their vote share, And in fact, their vote share

685
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 1>was so high that you could have halved it and

686
00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 1>all ten of them would have still won. So they

687
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>were winning like fifty one percent of the vote when

688
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the second place was getting like twenty percent. That kind

689
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:36.679
<v Speaker 1>of thing. So what what they had managed to do

690
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 1>is get back people who had dropped out of politics entirely.

691
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:43.280
<v Speaker 1>And you've got to remember, I don't know what it

692
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 1>is in the US for a presidential election, but in

693
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<v Speaker 1>a general election, only about sixty percent of eligible voters

694
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.440
<v Speaker 1>actually vote. And so therefore, if you could, if you

695
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:56.079
<v Speaker 1>could activate a decent number of the forty percent who

696
00:38:56.199 --> 00:39:00.000
<v Speaker 1>just feel that there's no point bothering, actually you could,

697
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:03.039
<v Speaker 1>you can do very impressively. And so the battle for

698
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>the right now comes between over the next three years. Farage,

699
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:10.000
<v Speaker 1>who has a lead in the polls today and he

700
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<v Speaker 1>gets a lot of media time, and he gets out

701
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 1>there in front of the harder to reach you know,

702
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.119
<v Speaker 1>the boomers, the people who you don't really get access

703
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>to as much on online media, and Restore, who most

704
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.840
<v Speaker 1>of us in this sphere feel is the is the

705
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.519
<v Speaker 1>right deal. And indeed we were one of the reasons

706
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 1>we know he's the right deal. Is quite aside from

707
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 1>what the man himself says. Our friends are working in Restore.

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00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.880
<v Speaker 1>There are people you know. In fact, we had we

709
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<v Speaker 1>had one of them on the podcast. I've you know,

710
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>this studio is just freed up because the podcast finished

711
00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.920
<v Speaker 1>today and we had one of the Restore top guys

712
00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:48.039
<v Speaker 1>on the panel. So we trust this party and it's

713
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:50.199
<v Speaker 1>you know it was. It was given a trial run

714
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 1>in yes, okay, admittedly just ten seats in a in

715
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:57.639
<v Speaker 1>a secondary election, but it won all ten with absolutely

716
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:01.159
<v Speaker 1>stonky majorities and huge turnout and activating been voted before.

717
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<v Speaker 1>So it is very encouraging for those of us on

718
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 1>the British right that finally we have a vehicle that

719
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.440
<v Speaker 1>actually represents us and it is everything that we wanted

720
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:14.599
<v Speaker 1>it to be, which I don't know if you guys

721
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<v Speaker 1>have that, No.

722
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<v Speaker 2>We certainly don't. And I want to echo your comments

723
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.800
<v Speaker 2>because I have friends that restore Britain too, and they're

724
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<v Speaker 2>the sort of people that aren't They aren't politics impressive.

725
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:28.679
<v Speaker 2>You've met politicians of course, and you know there's sort

726
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.199
<v Speaker 2>of a bell curve, but they're actually impressive young men.

727
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 2>They're like, Okay, you're a serious person. You could be

728
00:40:34.039 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 2>doing something else and you'd likely be very successful. And

729
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<v Speaker 2>I think that's an interesting indicator on two levels. One,

730
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<v Speaker 2>this is an institution that actually has the capacity to recruit.

731
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<v Speaker 2>It can get good talented people, which is a problem

732
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<v Speaker 2>whether due to organization Nigel Farage personally that reform UK

733
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:58.119
<v Speaker 2>has not solved. They don't have particularly impressive people working there. Again,

734
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<v Speaker 2>I'm American. I don't know that these figures as well

735
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:02.840
<v Speaker 2>as you do, but I'm sure you see the same

736
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.000
<v Speaker 2>tweets that I do, right of this guy exactly. But

737
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<v Speaker 2>also I think that it's an interesting counter to a

738
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:14.320
<v Speaker 2>narrative you see often in sort of the American populace sphere,

739
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 2>which is very antagonistic towards Britain. They sort of imagine

740
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Britain as super California. You know, it's the sort of

741
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:25.480
<v Speaker 2>ultimate extension of oimate. You got a license for that, which, okay,

742
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:29.079
<v Speaker 2>is that true? Yes, However, I think it's a really

743
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:33.519
<v Speaker 2>interesting sort of perspective because, to be honest, like Britain

744
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 2>has hope, and in my mind Britain hasn't really had

745
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 2>a real hope in a long time, and it seems

746
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.760
<v Speaker 2>to have materialized very very quickly. And again, as someone

747
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.960
<v Speaker 2>who is not British, who's you know, certainly ethnically you know,

748
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:51.440
<v Speaker 2>actually I say majority, I am just ethnically British, but

749
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, four hundred years back has been incredibly encouraging

750
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.039
<v Speaker 2>to me. So I'm curious, can you speak to I

751
00:41:58.039 --> 00:42:00.159
<v Speaker 2>guess that sense of hope? Are you seeing that on

752
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.519
<v Speaker 2>the ground that people feel. I guess if they are

753
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:06.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, recently recaptured voters, people who counted themselves out

754
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:08.960
<v Speaker 2>of politics. All I'm getting at their don Yeah.

755
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<v Speaker 1>Actually, if we are super California, our elites are LA

756
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:18.599
<v Speaker 1>but the sort of rank and file of our stock,

757
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:23.079
<v Speaker 1>our people are Californian hinterlands. And I'm regularly told by

758
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Californians that actually, if you if you get out of

759
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.559
<v Speaker 1>the cities, they're they're quite based, they're quite sensible people.

760
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.679
<v Speaker 1>So our voters are not. Yes, we do have, course,

761
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:34.960
<v Speaker 1>you know about a third of our population that are

762
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:39.000
<v Speaker 1>just communists, but you know, you get that everywhere. But actually,

763
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.719
<v Speaker 1>the mainstream sentiment in this country is is right wing.

764
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.679
<v Speaker 1>The reason why we've why we've fallen down the hole

765
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.440
<v Speaker 1>so much, is because we've had party after party that

766
00:42:48.519 --> 00:42:51.360
<v Speaker 1>has come up and pretended to be far more right

767
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:55.280
<v Speaker 1>wing than they actually are. But that and surveys show this.

768
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.079
<v Speaker 1>If you do opinion surveys of the of the British

769
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 1>population as a whole, and surveys of members of Parliament,

770
00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.159
<v Speaker 1>even on the right wing parties, members of Parliament are

771
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>more left wing than the average brit It's well to

772
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 1>the right of parliamentarians and labor MPs of course are

773
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:17.440
<v Speaker 1>just just extremely far to the left, although even those

774
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.199
<v Speaker 1>are not far enough to the left for some people.

775
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean, we finally feel we have something

776
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>which is authentic, and so people are starting to re

777
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:30.039
<v Speaker 1>engage in politics for the first time in decades. Really.

778
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>But politics wasn't something that people did. Politics for something

779
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:37.039
<v Speaker 1>that people watched on TV. And you know, you might

780
00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 1>have voted for, you know, whatever was best in my case,

781
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:42.440
<v Speaker 1>whatever the most right wing option available at the time was,

782
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 1>but you couldn't get inspired by it because you just

783
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:46.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of knew that you were going to be betrayed.

784
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Whereas restorers come forward and we're seeing you know, branches

785
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 1>being set up all over the country, and you know,

786
00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:55.239
<v Speaker 1>even if it's just in a you know, a small

787
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:57.960
<v Speaker 1>town or something, you're getting you're getting dozens of people

788
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.280
<v Speaker 1>turning up that I mean, for example, the branch cheer

789
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.440
<v Speaker 1>in Swindon, there's about two hundred people engaged with it.

790
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:06.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's unheard of for local political organization Normally,

791
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:09.239
<v Speaker 1>normally don't get anybody, or if you do, you get

792
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.440
<v Speaker 1>a couple of little old ladies or you know, just

793
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.559
<v Speaker 1>maybe five or six people for the local Conservative Association

794
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>or the local labor club or whatever it is. But

795
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.440
<v Speaker 1>we're getting hundreds of people getting into this and it's

796
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:22.880
<v Speaker 1>still early days. Because finally we think that if we win,

797
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>we can actually do something and we're not hampered by

798
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:30.719
<v Speaker 1>your separation of powers. So let's say Donald Trump was

799
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.760
<v Speaker 1>everything that he promised to be coming in, and the

800
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>promises that he made when he was coming in were

801
00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:38.039
<v Speaker 1>absolutely brilliant. I remember doing a segment at the time

802
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:40.400
<v Speaker 1>because he made these sort of the little series of

803
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:42.000
<v Speaker 1>videos of things that he was going to do, and

804
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:44.000
<v Speaker 1>he put them out, and I remember saying that some

805
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 1>if he does half of this, he's going to be

806
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the best president ever. He does appear to have got

807
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:52.920
<v Speaker 1>sidetracked on it some misadventures. But let's say Donald Trump

808
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.280
<v Speaker 1>came in or j the Evans comes into the next election,

809
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:58.599
<v Speaker 1>and he was and he did everything that people watching

810
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.320
<v Speaker 1>this wanted him to do well, as best I understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>Under the US political system, you need the unanimous agreement

812
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.400
<v Speaker 1>of every ninth Circuit judge for the president to do anything,

813
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Otherwise it just gets vetoed or there's one hundred and

814
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:15.320
<v Speaker 1>one other mechanisms to make sure that nothing actually happens.

815
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.840
<v Speaker 1>That's not the British political system. British Parliament is sovereign

816
00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:21.599
<v Speaker 1>and answerable to nobody. We have a Supreme Court, but

817
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:24.519
<v Speaker 1>it's got a different function that that's not going to

818
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.880
<v Speaker 1>hold up any any legislation. It doesn't have any degree

819
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:30.679
<v Speaker 1>near that degree of power. And because the executive and

820
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:35.960
<v Speaker 1>legislative are basically combined in the same body of people,

821
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:40.559
<v Speaker 1>that doesn't provide a challenge EVA. So if all we need,

822
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:43.039
<v Speaker 1>all we need to do is win once. That's it.

823
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:46.199
<v Speaker 1>We just win once, and then we can do everything

824
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that we wanted to do. With a simple majority in

825
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:50.320
<v Speaker 1>the House of Commons. We can we can start the

826
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<v Speaker 1>process of remigration. We can change the voting system so

827
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 1>that it's you know, net tax payers only, or I

828
00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>don't men, or whatever it is that you want to

829
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:01.639
<v Speaker 1>however you want is you want to change the voting system,

830
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.880
<v Speaker 1>and Labor have done this. They've changed voting from eighteen

831
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.039
<v Speaker 1>to sixteen. So it's entirely within the will of the

832
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:12.039
<v Speaker 1>party to that. We could take away welfare from non

833
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.199
<v Speaker 1>native Brits. You know, that alone will encourage millions of

834
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.400
<v Speaker 1>them to leave because they're not actually doing anything here,

835
00:46:18.440 --> 00:46:20.199
<v Speaker 1>and actually the ones that be left are probably doing

836
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.639
<v Speaker 1>something useful, and that sort of dampens down the whole

837
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 1>problem and the whole disquiet to beginning, we can scrap

838
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:28.960
<v Speaker 1>two tier justice. All of this stuff can be fixed,

839
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:31.440
<v Speaker 1>and we only need to win once, and that, for

840
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:33.880
<v Speaker 1>it gives us a great sense of encouragement. We've actually

841
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 1>got something which is for once real and people are

842
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:40.280
<v Speaker 1>getting involved and we just need to win once. And

843
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:43.079
<v Speaker 1>so we're feeling a sense of energization at the moment

844
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:45.920
<v Speaker 1>which I've never seen before in my lifetime.

845
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:50.719
<v Speaker 2>If you can, can you speak to the broad left

846
00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:54.480
<v Speaker 2>right blocks right, because you have a collection of parties

847
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.440
<v Speaker 2>on both sides kind of running the gamut from the

848
00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 2>nominal rate the slightly less normal right and then obviously

849
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 2>restore and then on the left you have you know, Labor,

850
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.559
<v Speaker 2>the limb, Devs, the Greens, and then this new collection

851
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:10.800
<v Speaker 2>of I guess you would call them like Islamicist independents

852
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>and one if you sorry being a little bit rude,

853
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.800
<v Speaker 2>but let's be honest, that's what they are. And but

854
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:20.039
<v Speaker 2>in our seriousness rate, so one, if you could, can

855
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.280
<v Speaker 2>you explain those broad blocks, like what trends are we seeing?

856
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:27.920
<v Speaker 2>And then also where is labor being cannibalized from right?

857
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 2>What is there? What is happening to their base? Yep.

858
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.039
<v Speaker 1>So politics used to be nice and simple. We had

859
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:38.639
<v Speaker 1>left wing labor, right wing Tories, and then we had

860
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.360
<v Speaker 1>a We had a third party, which was the Liberal Democrats,

861
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:45.840
<v Speaker 1>which was kind of for people who didn't fancy going

862
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:47.480
<v Speaker 1>for one or the other because that was a bit

863
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 1>bit sharp and a bit real for them, and so

864
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:51.679
<v Speaker 1>they just wanted to vote for this third option. And

865
00:47:51.679 --> 00:47:55.199
<v Speaker 1>the Liberal Democrats pretended to be right wing in right

866
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.519
<v Speaker 1>wing constituencies and pretending to be left wing and left

867
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.920
<v Speaker 1>wing constituencies. So nice, straight for the lilitical map. Then

868
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Tony Blair comes along and he's like, okay, well, why

869
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:05.880
<v Speaker 1>don't I just pretend to be a right wing labor

870
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:08.039
<v Speaker 1>party and then I'll get right wing votes and the

871
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:11.159
<v Speaker 1>left wing hasn't got anywhere to go, and therefore I win,

872
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 1>and he won, and then David Cameron came along after

873
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.719
<v Speaker 1>Blair and said, well, hang on, why don't I just

874
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.760
<v Speaker 1>pretend to be a left wing conservative party and the

875
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.679
<v Speaker 1>right wing have got nowhere to go, and therefore I

876
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.639
<v Speaker 1>can capture the center and maybe some left wing votes

877
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.320
<v Speaker 1>and then I win and he did. Now, Labor and

878
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:30.079
<v Speaker 1>the Toys were very clever. They thought they were very

879
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.920
<v Speaker 1>clever with this by moving to the center and overlapping.

880
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:34.880
<v Speaker 1>But the problem is they ended up in this situation

881
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 1>where they both believed in the same things, they both

882
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:41.039
<v Speaker 1>have the same principles and ideals, and there was they

883
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:44.280
<v Speaker 1>created enormous flank on there, both their left and their right.

884
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:46.800
<v Speaker 1>And so I mean Nigel de Frage was the first

885
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:49.960
<v Speaker 1>to fill it with reform and then but then even

886
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:52.280
<v Speaker 1>Nigel Frag started doing the thing where he started moving

887
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.960
<v Speaker 1>to the center, he started moving to the left. So

888
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:57.159
<v Speaker 1>that are now three parties sort of overlapped that that

889
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.840
<v Speaker 1>middle zone, which of course was to restore emerging on

890
00:49:00.880 --> 00:49:03.639
<v Speaker 1>the true right as we talked about. But also the

891
00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Green Party. The Green Party, I mean it's been around

892
00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:08.559
<v Speaker 1>for a long time. It was kind of a bit

893
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:12.280
<v Speaker 1>of a joke party. I mean it would sometimes win one,

894
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:15.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe two MPs out of six hundred and fifty and

895
00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:17.159
<v Speaker 1>only in this sort of the most well to do,

896
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:21.480
<v Speaker 1>upper middle class areas where they had more money than sense,

897
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:24.079
<v Speaker 1>and they thought that you know, maybe restricting our CO

898
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:27.880
<v Speaker 1>two was a good idea while China was two hundred

899
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:31.559
<v Speaker 1>xing their output or whatever it was. The Greens, however,

900
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:35.440
<v Speaker 1>they kind of abandoned the green stuff. I mean it's

901
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>in the name, but you never hear them talk about,

902
00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:42.599
<v Speaker 1>I know, trees or whatever. What they did is they

903
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 1>started becoming an avowedly communist party, and that very much

904
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:51.639
<v Speaker 1>appeals to basically young women, some young men as well.

905
00:49:51.719 --> 00:49:54.800
<v Speaker 1>But if you're a young man with almost no testosterone

906
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:58.039
<v Speaker 1>in you whatsoever, or a young woman I mean, or

907
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:02.199
<v Speaker 1>literally a communist or weirdo, the Green Party if you

908
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.639
<v Speaker 1>in fact, we did a labs hour just the other

909
00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:06.960
<v Speaker 1>day party guest, So I don't know if there's a US.

910
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a US version of this. But he

911
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:11.519
<v Speaker 1>shows you a picture of the part of the person

912
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 1>and you have to guess what party they do in.

913
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:16.159
<v Speaker 1>Is very easy to tell who's in the Green Party

914
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:20.559
<v Speaker 1>because they are dysgenic freaks. I mean, seriously, something has

915
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.480
<v Speaker 1>gone wrong in their genome on a serious level that

916
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.840
<v Speaker 1>they're the Green Party candidates. So they they get they

917
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:29.920
<v Speaker 1>get a few students and communists, but they also start

918
00:50:29.960 --> 00:50:34.559
<v Speaker 1>to pull in Islamists. So the leader, the leader is

919
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>actually a gay Jewish guy whose mother is suspected to

920
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:44.280
<v Speaker 1>be a pornographer, and his deputy leader is a chap

921
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:47.920
<v Speaker 1>called Moffin Alley. You know, he's got the big, you know,

922
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Muslim beard, and you know where's all the you know,

923
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:53.039
<v Speaker 1>the get up and all that that sort of stuff.

924
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.760
<v Speaker 1>And they've been doing quite well in this in this

925
00:50:56.880 --> 00:50:59.639
<v Speaker 1>strategy because of course that means they can win anywhere

926
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a U university with gullible young people, or anywhere

927
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:05.480
<v Speaker 1>where there's a large Muslim community. Now, Muslims are only

928
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 1>about seven percent of the UK population at this point.

929
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know we ring alarm bells about immigration

930
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:14.440
<v Speaker 1>early here, but that's because we want to keep it.

931
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:17.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's still like seventy percent of white country,

932
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.599
<v Speaker 1>but we're ringing the alarm bells early because we understand

933
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:21.880
<v Speaker 1>how quickly, over the decades that can start to shift

934
00:51:21.880 --> 00:51:24.920
<v Speaker 1>into minority status. So you know that they've been running

935
00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:29.199
<v Speaker 1>this alliance and Labor for years had considered the Muslim

936
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 1>block to be which is important for winning a whole

937
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:34.480
<v Speaker 1>bunch of inner cities. They had basically considered them to

938
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 1>be part of their electoral inheritance, effectively belonging to them.

939
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:40.719
<v Speaker 1>But what they're doing is they're splitting out and they're

940
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:43.840
<v Speaker 1>either back in the Greens or or they're just running

941
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 1>by themselves. Now at the moment, they're not really that

942
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:53.320
<v Speaker 1>viable as a Westminster force by themselves, and they are

943
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:56.280
<v Speaker 1>somewhat viable in the secondary elections like the council elections

944
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:58.840
<v Speaker 1>in made Muslim areas, but it remains to be seen

945
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:01.960
<v Speaker 1>whether they just wholeheartedly back the Green Party, which I

946
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:04.719
<v Speaker 1>think they might do, and just take over that and

947
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:07.920
<v Speaker 1>then you have an alliance between the lunatic left and

948
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:13.559
<v Speaker 1>the communists and the sort of Islamo fascists. Now if

949
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.400
<v Speaker 1>that party ever came to power. I mean, Iran has

950
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.760
<v Speaker 1>taught us what happens to the leftists the day after

951
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the election, but they don't seem to be aware of

952
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.719
<v Speaker 1>that at the moment. But yeah, I mean, I mean

953
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:26.239
<v Speaker 1>still at the last election we did have something like

954
00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 1>a dozen Muslim independents starting to run. So these guys

955
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.559
<v Speaker 1>are they've peeled away from the from the Labor Party

956
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.079
<v Speaker 1>for now they might be in the Greens, but it's

957
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:38.280
<v Speaker 1>only a matter of time, but all the numbers go

958
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.519
<v Speaker 1>up where they leave them as well, and will they

959
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.280
<v Speaker 1>either take over the Green Party entirely, or they just

960
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.920
<v Speaker 1>set up their own things. So it's starting to emerge.

961
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:50.559
<v Speaker 1>It's not quite fomented yet, but yes, Secretary, and politics

962
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.239
<v Speaker 1>is coming if we don't get on top of remigration soon.

963
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, just out of curiosity when you mentioned it, I

964
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:59.760
<v Speaker 2>pulled up Party guess or UK and just immediately went

965
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:03.320
<v Speaker 2>over for five because of course I assume like, oh,

966
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.480
<v Speaker 2>this this guy looks like the kind of guy who

967
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.519
<v Speaker 2>might I don't know, smuggle bomb into an aeroplane. Surely

968
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>he must be a caredate for the Greens. Nope, Conservative

969
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:17.599
<v Speaker 2>Party caredidate. Like I even knowing that right talking to

970
00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:21.440
<v Speaker 2>you guys, I am still too naive. It's still too

971
00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:23.400
<v Speaker 2>naive for the Conservative Party.

972
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I think the Lord is it Bristol might I might

973
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:28.000
<v Speaker 1>be getting my situation, but I think the Lord Mayor

974
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:31.639
<v Speaker 1>of Bristol is actually an asylum seeker. I'm not joking.

975
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:35.719
<v Speaker 1>He is an asylum seeker, and yet he is now

976
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:40.199
<v Speaker 1>the Lord Mayor of Bristol. Reform. At these local council

977
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:44.360
<v Speaker 1>elections recently they ran somebody who was a former asylum seeker,

978
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:49.800
<v Speaker 1>a Boris waiver. He actually lost his seat and his

979
00:53:49.920 --> 00:53:52.679
<v Speaker 1>four white British colleagues who were running with him. They

980
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 1>were won their seats, so the British know they're something up.

981
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 1>But all of these parties, apart from Rupert Low and Restore,

982
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:05.519
<v Speaker 1>hand to this multicultural Britain sentiment. We're expected to believe

983
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:07.800
<v Speaker 1>that Nigel Frag is just saying it and he doesn't

984
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:09.760
<v Speaker 1>really mean it, and he'd be based once he comes

985
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:13.199
<v Speaker 1>into power. But I don't believe in the secretly based

986
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:15.519
<v Speaker 1>theory because I've never seen an example of it ever.

987
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.679
<v Speaker 1>Whereas Rupert Low, he goes on TV and you know,

988
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:24.599
<v Speaker 1>the liberal left London Metro journalist will say to him,

989
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:29.119
<v Speaker 1>you know you've said this, and you know I think

990
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.000
<v Speaker 1>that means you're racist, and he just says and he says,

991
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't care, I don't care what you call me.

992
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.679
<v Speaker 1>We're doing this, we're saving the country and you know,

993
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's such a change from the others. But yeah, yeah,

994
00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:45.760
<v Speaker 1>they all, yeah, they all have a very dodgy set

995
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.280
<v Speaker 1>of candidates behind it. Unfortunately, Refought the Store might have

996
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:53.639
<v Speaker 1>to end up doing that because it is literally illegal

997
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:59.639
<v Speaker 1>in this country to favor the native British population. You

998
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:03.119
<v Speaker 1>can't it. So I mean Restore now has to walk

999
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:06.119
<v Speaker 1>the balance of you know, complying with UK law and

1000
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.599
<v Speaker 1>they can and will shut down your party if you don't,

1001
00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:11.840
<v Speaker 1>while remain true to the core mission, which is restoring

1002
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.920
<v Speaker 1>this country to what it once was, including its demographics.

1003
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, all I'm saying is any of the restore guys,

1004
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.239
<v Speaker 2>if you need someone to show up in a rubber

1005
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:25.440
<v Speaker 2>dinghy as an immigrant, my rates are public, I'll put

1006
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:28.360
<v Speaker 2>it that way. But in all seriousness, right, that's a

1007
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:32.239
<v Speaker 2>really it's an interesting dynamic that right, kind of walking

1008
00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.599
<v Speaker 2>that tightrope because we've seen very similar things happen in

1009
00:55:36.599 --> 00:55:39.559
<v Speaker 2>the US, which is that the arm of the state

1010
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:44.559
<v Speaker 2>will be used to check challenger. I think of during

1011
00:55:44.599 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 2>the Obama years, something that a lot of people don't remember,

1012
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.559
<v Speaker 2>the Tea Party, which was this sort of insurgent proto

1013
00:55:51.719 --> 00:55:56.400
<v Speaker 2>MAGA but largely cast in kind of economic terms, as

1014
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.639
<v Speaker 2>was the fashion of the time. But yeah, it turns

1015
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:01.920
<v Speaker 2>out the I R S found a whole bunch of

1016
00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:07.880
<v Speaker 2>irregularities in their organization. And you'll never guess who who

1017
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:11.239
<v Speaker 2>tipped them off. Turns out it was the president for

1018
00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Aack Obama, who said, maybe my political rivals I or

1019
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.000
<v Speaker 2>should go and look at them. So I'm curious, have

1020
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:22.960
<v Speaker 2>you seen any overchurch towards Restore Britain right, has there

1021
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.039
<v Speaker 2>been a signal that there may be an attempt to

1022
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.880
<v Speaker 2>if they can't beat them at the ballot box, to

1023
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.679
<v Speaker 2>simply remove them from the ballot by legal or extra

1024
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:32.800
<v Speaker 2>legal meets.

1025
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean that's the genesis of the party. So

1026
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:37.679
<v Speaker 1>when Rupelo was still a member of Reform and he

1027
00:56:37.719 --> 00:56:41.280
<v Speaker 1>started speaking out against the booming gangs and saying, look,

1028
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:44.440
<v Speaker 1>we need to deport these entire communities, he got thrown

1029
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:49.360
<v Speaker 1>out of Reform, and Reform made up some spurious criminal

1030
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:52.599
<v Speaker 1>allegations against him in order to try and get him jailed.

1031
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:56.239
<v Speaker 1>And the way they did that is their their Sri

1032
00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Lankan deputy as Yah Yusif, who is who is a

1033
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:07.760
<v Speaker 1>man of about thirty five, said that Rupert Low, a

1034
00:57:07.840 --> 00:57:13.559
<v Speaker 1>man of sixty five, was physically roughing him up. Now, look,

1035
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:16.880
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate in the subcontinent that grip strength is not

1036
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>is not monstrous, but still it's a bit of a

1037
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:21.920
<v Speaker 1>silly story to say that this old man was sort

1038
00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.840
<v Speaker 1>of beating him up. And the police actually launched a

1039
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.159
<v Speaker 1>inquiry into Rupert Low as to whether they were going

1040
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:31.320
<v Speaker 1>to bring charges that would would see him jail for

1041
00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:34.039
<v Speaker 1>threatening to kill this man half his age. Now it

1042
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:36.880
<v Speaker 1>turned out all of this was complete nonsense, and you know,

1043
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Reform don't like to talk about it these days, and

1044
00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:40.679
<v Speaker 1>they shut it down if you if you try and

1045
00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:41.880
<v Speaker 1>bring it up to him, he's like, well, hang on,

1046
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.440
<v Speaker 1>what happened to those allegations that you that you made up?

1047
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:48.119
<v Speaker 1>But I mean Frodd did actually, in an unguarded moment

1048
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:51.360
<v Speaker 1>on stage not so long ago, admit that the reason

1049
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:55.159
<v Speaker 1>that they that they made up those charges is because

1050
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Rupert Low was talking about deporting people. So that, I

1051
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 1>mean that caught them out already. I mean, plus the

1052
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:04.960
<v Speaker 1>fact that they chucked him out, they made him stronger,

1053
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.719
<v Speaker 1>that they brought these charges. They made him stronger with

1054
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.199
<v Speaker 1>all of that. So whether they're going to try anything

1055
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:13.440
<v Speaker 1>else underhand, I wouldn't put it past them, but they

1056
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:17.440
<v Speaker 1>they've tried it twice and it's backfired immensely on them already.

1057
00:58:18.519 --> 00:58:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Whether the state will do anything, I mean very possible.

1058
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:25.199
<v Speaker 1>It's hard. We're not quite like Germany where they where

1059
00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.800
<v Speaker 1>they're always on the verge of outright banning the AfD.

1060
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:32.280
<v Speaker 1>But then we've never had anything real before. To vote for.

1061
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:35.719
<v Speaker 1>So whether the deep the UK deep state, will allow

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00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:40.559
<v Speaker 1>a genuine restoration of Britain to take place without sabotaging it,

1063
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:44.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure, but it seems like it's they've got

1064
00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:46.159
<v Speaker 1>an open track ahead of them for now.

1065
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:51.079
<v Speaker 2>I think of even relatively recently, uh, Lotus Eaters alumni

1066
00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Connor Carmlinson, I believe had a fake police port report

1067
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:58.599
<v Speaker 2>excuse me, uh, you know, levied against him saying that

1068
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:02.440
<v Speaker 2>he had been knocking his wife around. Obviously, I feel

1069
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.559
<v Speaker 2>like I don't even say that it was not true.

1070
00:59:04.760 --> 00:59:08.239
<v Speaker 2>The police didn't find anything to support that, But I

1071
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:11.880
<v Speaker 2>mean that is that kind of example of low level harassment, right,

1072
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:15.800
<v Speaker 2>sending the arm of the law after political rivals. And

1073
00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:18.119
<v Speaker 2>of course I hope it doesn't happen, right, I hope

1074
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:21.559
<v Speaker 2>this is a successful political project. But if you've been

1075
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:25.079
<v Speaker 2>around long enough, you're always on the lookout, right, especially

1076
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:28.280
<v Speaker 2>when you have you know, the starmer bought, you know,

1077
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.119
<v Speaker 2>sitting there just steaming. So I'm curious, Dan, what has

1078
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:38.039
<v Speaker 2>been the media reaction to these the spat of elections,

1079
00:59:38.159 --> 00:59:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Because what I've seen, and admittedly it's Twitter and the

1080
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 2>algorithm's garbage, it pushes you what you want to see

1081
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:49.320
<v Speaker 2>has been effectively university student meltdown. Right, Britain is literally

1082
00:59:49.519 --> 00:59:53.159
<v Speaker 2>Germany in nineteen thirty three. It's so over they're going

1083
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:56.639
<v Speaker 2>to put us in camps and so sure that's off

1084
00:59:56.679 --> 00:59:59.760
<v Speaker 2>the internet. You can find people on the internet saying anything,

1085
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:02.599
<v Speaker 2>but both on the kind of cultural level and the

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01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:04.519
<v Speaker 2>media level, what have you seen?

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01:00:04.880 --> 01:00:07.039
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen any of that. I mean i've seen

1088
01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:09.880
<v Speaker 1>it online. Is one of those things. A journalist will

1089
01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:12.159
<v Speaker 1>go off and they'll find some excitable student and they're

1090
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:14.880
<v Speaker 1>are some for their opinion and stuff. But I haven't

1091
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:18.239
<v Speaker 1>seen any of it on the ground. I mean, we're

1092
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:20.320
<v Speaker 1>generally too sensible to I mean, those people are sort

1093
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:22.360
<v Speaker 1>of kept away out the way for a good reason.

1094
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:24.239
<v Speaker 1>So they can have their hysterics over there, but it

1095
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:26.719
<v Speaker 1>doesn't really trouble the rest of us. And you know,

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01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:31.480
<v Speaker 1>if only reform were what left his students imagine them

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01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:34.320
<v Speaker 1>to be, we wouldn't need restore. And so I've seen

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01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:38.039
<v Speaker 1>them coming out saying, oh, you know, if Nigel Frage

1099
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:40.400
<v Speaker 1>comes in, he's going to take away my reproductive rights

1100
01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:43.760
<v Speaker 1>and he's gonna he's going to deport all the nons

1101
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:45.400
<v Speaker 1>and he's going to do this, that and the other thing,

1102
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:48.119
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, oh, for god, I wish if he

1103
01:00:48.199 --> 01:00:50.159
<v Speaker 1>was doing that, I'd vote for him myself. But he's

1104
01:00:50.199 --> 01:00:51.960
<v Speaker 1>not doing any of that. But so that they're behind

1105
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:56.159
<v Speaker 1>the track on this. So no, and more broadly the media,

1106
01:00:56.320 --> 01:01:00.360
<v Speaker 1>there was about forty eight hours of rumination on the

1107
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.880
<v Speaker 1>actual results themselves, and that there is even a bit

1108
01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:07.599
<v Speaker 1>of chatter of Restore starting to break into the mainstream

1109
01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:11.079
<v Speaker 1>because they generally if they if they, they can tell

1110
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:14.840
<v Speaker 1>that Restore is a genuine threat, so they so the

1111
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:17.599
<v Speaker 1>way they address that is by never mentioning them at all,

1112
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:21.440
<v Speaker 1>because they did this once with Nigel far years ago,

1113
01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:24.079
<v Speaker 1>where they tried to put him up as a as

1114
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:26.239
<v Speaker 1>a as a sort of comedy character who wanted to

1115
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:30.599
<v Speaker 1>leave the European Union and they ended up actually getting

1116
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Brexit as a result of it. So now the media

1117
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.280
<v Speaker 1>is very careful. When they see something where they don't

1118
01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:37.719
<v Speaker 1>want to be a thing, they simply don't cover it.

1119
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:41.039
<v Speaker 1>And but that's only sustainable to a point. So no,

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01:01:41.320 --> 01:01:43.840
<v Speaker 1>all of that got swept away quite quickly because then

1121
01:01:43.880 --> 01:01:46.679
<v Speaker 1>the question became is Keir Starmer going to remain as

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01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister?

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01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:51.679
<v Speaker 1>And that has basically all we've been talking about since.

1125
01:01:52.159 --> 01:01:55.320
<v Speaker 2>And I think that you mentioned the fact that is

1126
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Starmer has this kind of death grip on power. I

1127
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.840
<v Speaker 2>can think of conversations you and I've had going back

1128
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:05.800
<v Speaker 2>two years where after scandal after scandal, and there have

1129
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:08.360
<v Speaker 2>been many, right, we allied it over them for time,

1130
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:10.119
<v Speaker 2>because if we went through all of them, that would

1131
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:12.719
<v Speaker 2>be all we did today. But the question has always been,

1132
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:17.760
<v Speaker 2>surely he will step down now? Because you know, Liz

1133
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Trust stepped down over effectively nothing right. She got bullied

1134
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.559
<v Speaker 2>out of it very very quickly. And traditionally, at least

1135
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:27.719
<v Speaker 2>from the outside looking in, it seems as if there

1136
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:32.960
<v Speaker 2>is a dignified position at which you're expected to kind

1137
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:35.480
<v Speaker 2>of realize that the game is up you should step down,

1138
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:39.559
<v Speaker 2>and Starmar has blown past that point so many times

1139
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:43.760
<v Speaker 2>that we're effectively in unmapped waters. I mean, as far

1140
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:46.960
<v Speaker 2>as I understand, he is the least popular PM in

1141
01:02:47.159 --> 01:02:52.280
<v Speaker 2>history by a fairly significant margin. And so what does

1142
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.840
<v Speaker 2>he do if everyone else resigns? Will he be the

1143
01:02:55.880 --> 01:02:59.480
<v Speaker 2>lone Japanese soldier, you know, out in the jungle? Like

1144
01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:03.239
<v Speaker 2>what happens? I guess you could say constitutionally, you're you know,

1145
01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:06.920
<v Speaker 2>by the bylaws. Can he just simply be one man

1146
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.559
<v Speaker 2>in ten Downing Street or by himself.

1147
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:11.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, potentially if it comes to that. So, I mean,

1148
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:16.320
<v Speaker 1>because our executive is drawn directly from the legislative. Whoever's

1149
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:18.679
<v Speaker 1>in your party when you form a government is your option.

1150
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:22.199
<v Speaker 1>So he's got three hundred odd MPs which he can

1151
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:24.159
<v Speaker 1>draw from, and he needs a bit less than one

1152
01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:28.639
<v Speaker 1>hundred to fill all the different government roles up from

1153
01:03:28.719 --> 01:03:32.519
<v Speaker 1>Minister you know, Chancellor of the Exchequer, the number two

1154
01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:35.719
<v Speaker 1>all the way down to a parliamentary aid. You know,

1155
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:37.360
<v Speaker 1>it needs a bit less than one hundred of them.

1156
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:39.079
<v Speaker 1>And at the moment a whole bunch of them have

1157
01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:41.840
<v Speaker 1>been quitting and he's just been quietly replacing them. So

1158
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:45.960
<v Speaker 1>if if more than you know, two hundred of them

1159
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:48.000
<v Speaker 1>say no, we're never working with this man, he's got

1160
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:50.400
<v Speaker 1>a problem. You know, he's going to need to start

1161
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:54.159
<v Speaker 1>getting some job shares going. But he's not at that point. Yeah,

1162
01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:56.599
<v Speaker 1>he's at the point where he's just finding some no

1163
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.960
<v Speaker 1>hope or MP who was basically just there to march

1164
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:02.800
<v Speaker 1>through the lobbies and vote and saying, you know, would

1165
01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:04.960
<v Speaker 1>you like to be a parliamentary aid the first step

1166
01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.639
<v Speaker 1>on your ministerial journey, you know, and maybe you could

1167
01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:09.199
<v Speaker 1>be something mean. Of course, they're not going to be

1168
01:04:09.199 --> 01:04:11.719
<v Speaker 1>anything one day. But for the moment, he's able to

1169
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:16.119
<v Speaker 1>get through it. Now, you're right, in a normal, normal individual.

1170
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:19.320
<v Speaker 1>The entire country is saying we don't like you. His

1171
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:21.960
<v Speaker 1>own cabinet is saying we don't like you. His parliamentary

1172
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:24.320
<v Speaker 1>party is saying we don't like you. If you or

1173
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I went to a party and it was quite evident

1174
01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:28.480
<v Speaker 1>nobody liked us, we'd bugger off and do something else,

1175
01:04:28.559 --> 01:04:31.760
<v Speaker 1>because we're not complete psychopaths. But you have to remember

1176
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:34.559
<v Speaker 1>this man, he doesn't have a soul. He's never had

1177
01:04:34.559 --> 01:04:39.679
<v Speaker 1>a dream, he doesn't he doesn't have hopes or aspirations

1178
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:43.360
<v Speaker 1>outside of the political He has been focused on the

1179
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:47.400
<v Speaker 1>acquisition of power since he was about sixteen. He lives

1180
01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:49.599
<v Speaker 1>for this stuff. So now that he's actually there, the

1181
01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:52.920
<v Speaker 1>absolute last thing he wants to do is let go.

1182
01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:56.320
<v Speaker 1>But his situation does I mean for any other prime minister,

1183
01:04:56.440 --> 01:05:00.360
<v Speaker 1>this situation will be considered untenable. Now that the at

1184
01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the moment. So Carl and I did a show a

1185
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:07.400
<v Speaker 1>couple of days ago, and Carl was like, no, this

1186
01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:10.800
<v Speaker 1>man is so inhuman he simply doesn't respond to human incentives.

1187
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:13.760
<v Speaker 1>He will stay on. And my view is I'm a

1188
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.679
<v Speaker 1>lot less sure because trying to actually govern them from

1189
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.159
<v Speaker 1>this position where you've effectively lost the power of patronage

1190
01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:23.679
<v Speaker 1>and nobody listens to you because I don't expect you

1191
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:26.320
<v Speaker 1>to be there, I think is a hard ask and

1192
01:05:26.360 --> 01:05:29.960
<v Speaker 1>as you turned on so many things. So anyway, we

1193
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:32.840
<v Speaker 1>put a ten pound bet on it, and if he

1194
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:36.679
<v Speaker 1>goes before next Tuesday, then I win a tenor if not,

1195
01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:41.559
<v Speaker 1>if not, Carl's right, But yeah, this is the current

1196
01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:43.280
<v Speaker 1>hot button issue in the UK.

1197
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.880
<v Speaker 2>One other element and I know that you come from

1198
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:50.800
<v Speaker 2>a finance background, this won't be a super technical question.

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01:05:51.320 --> 01:05:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Is we have seen, really across the entire world exploding

1200
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.159
<v Speaker 2>fuel costs and the knock on effects right worsening and

1201
01:05:59.239 --> 01:06:03.800
<v Speaker 2>already diehigher cost of living crisis. And a few weeks

1202
01:06:03.800 --> 01:06:08.880
<v Speaker 2>back I was seeing videos of fuel riots in Ireland.

1203
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Now I realize that's what the mis do. They get

1204
01:06:12.400 --> 01:06:14.920
<v Speaker 2>a little excitable and they burn stuff down, sort of

1205
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:16.960
<v Speaker 2>like the French. It just seems to be their reaction

1206
01:06:17.039 --> 01:06:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to most things. But nonetheless, your country is in a

1207
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:24.440
<v Speaker 2>cost of living crisis that has been exacerbated by, to

1208
01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:28.039
<v Speaker 2>be fair to Starmer, issues outside of his control. But

1209
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:31.199
<v Speaker 2>seemingly that would place him in an even worse situation

1210
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:34.159
<v Speaker 2>that many of the issues that are making him unpopular

1211
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:39.760
<v Speaker 2>are becoming more dire. So one is there a fuel crisis?

1212
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Is there a cost of living crisis? And two how

1213
01:06:42.280 --> 01:06:45.079
<v Speaker 2>does that affect the current electoral landscape.

1214
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, there isn't a fuel crisis in the nowhere is

1215
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:50.679
<v Speaker 1>run out of fuel and fuel was already pretty expensive

1216
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.079
<v Speaker 1>anyway in the UK because it's attacked so heavily, so

1217
01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:56.960
<v Speaker 1>people are grumbling about it. But I mean, really, with

1218
01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:59.760
<v Speaker 1>what's going on with the straight offull news, it's going

1219
01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:01.519
<v Speaker 1>to be a long time before it reaches a first

1220
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:04.079
<v Speaker 1>world country like Britain, because basically we can just outbid

1221
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:06.599
<v Speaker 1>Pakistan and Thailand and Tri Lanka and all of those

1222
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:08.880
<v Speaker 1>other countries. We can just we can just afford to

1223
01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:12.079
<v Speaker 1>pay more. So it's very annoying. And because we used

1224
01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:14.159
<v Speaker 1>to hire I mean you guys, because you're used to

1225
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:16.320
<v Speaker 1>lower prices, it's a bit of a shock when the

1226
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:19.159
<v Speaker 1>fuel goes up. But I mean even now it's it's

1227
01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:22.440
<v Speaker 1>cheaper for you than it was for us. Before all

1228
01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:26.360
<v Speaker 1>this began, so we're just kind of tolerating it. Cost

1229
01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:28.519
<v Speaker 1>of living crisis, I mean yeah, I mean basically there's

1230
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:33.079
<v Speaker 1>there's been no real terms increase in people's pay since

1231
01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:35.840
<v Speaker 1>the financial crisis, and it's just a different way of

1232
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it getting stripped away. And then the COVID inflation, I

1233
01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:41.360
<v Speaker 1>mean that took a knock as well. People started people

1234
01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:43.960
<v Speaker 1>have started to get pay rises after COVID with that

1235
01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:50.119
<v Speaker 1>huge quantity of easing inflation surge. But yeah, we can

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<v Speaker 1>just feel we're getting ground down. And it's just quite

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<v Speaker 1>obvious that for best part of twenty years now we've

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<v Speaker 1>been going nowhere. You know, in Britain, if it was

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01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:04.280
<v Speaker 1>a US state, would be ranked fifty first out of

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<v Speaker 1>out of fifty one for GDP per capita. You know,

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01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:11.920
<v Speaker 1>we did a segment about this the other day, about

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01:08:11.960 --> 01:08:16.279
<v Speaker 1>how how much poorer we are than the US and

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01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:20.720
<v Speaker 1>how even a bloody BUCkies manager earns more than you know,

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01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:25.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, senior professionals here, and a BUCkies manager in

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01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the US centers a big box of goodies with a

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01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:30.840
<v Speaker 1>note attach saying you need this more than me because

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01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:33.720
<v Speaker 1>you're poor. I mean, that is that is you know

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01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:36.680
<v Speaker 1>that that is quite true. So yeah, people know that

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01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:39.359
<v Speaker 1>they're being squeezed, and it feeds into this sense of

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01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:43.399
<v Speaker 1>complete dissatisfaction with the political class that no matter how

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01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:46.880
<v Speaker 1>many times we change the government or prime minister, things

1252
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:50.359
<v Speaker 1>are not getting better. The whole set of governing assumptions

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01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:53.000
<v Speaker 1>need to be torn away. We've got something like twenty

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01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:55.399
<v Speaker 1>five percent of or maybe is it twenty percent of

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01:08:55.439 --> 01:08:58.920
<v Speaker 1>people are registered as disabled receiving some sort of disability benefit.

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01:08:59.359 --> 01:09:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Clearly what five people are not actually disabled. The system

1257
01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:06.479
<v Speaker 1>is being played. People are coming in on dinghies and

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01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:09.359
<v Speaker 1>getting given bloody council housing. And yeah, you know we

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01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:12.000
<v Speaker 1>are we are a first world country, and we've got

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01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the Protestant work ethic, but there's only so much state

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01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:18.880
<v Speaker 1>blow that the most productive people on earth can actually stand.

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01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:22.119
<v Speaker 1>And we just feel that no matter how hard we work,

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01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:24.520
<v Speaker 1>we're being ground into the damn ground. And we know,

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<v Speaker 1>we know as Englishmen what we can be if we're

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01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:30.920
<v Speaker 1>set free, if we're cut loose, wet, We've got pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good examples of that, so we want to get back

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<v Speaker 1>to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's what is so frustrating. I mean,

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01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:41.520
<v Speaker 2>you've rightly said that America is very wealthy. I've done

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01:09:41.640 --> 01:09:45.399
<v Speaker 2>any number of shows on We're in a very similar

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01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:50.840
<v Speaker 2>situation where the in real terms productivity is down, the

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01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:53.680
<v Speaker 2>in real terms camp or sorry is up, while in

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01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:57.520
<v Speaker 2>real terms compensation is down. People are working more and

1274
01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:02.119
<v Speaker 2>receiving less asset valuations through the roof right, whether it's housing,

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01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:06.600
<v Speaker 2>whether it's used vehicles. I've really kicked a hornet's nest

1276
01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:09.640
<v Speaker 2>a while back making this point because people above a

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01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:13.920
<v Speaker 2>certain age simply cannot comprehend that cheap used cars do

1278
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:17.920
<v Speaker 2>not exist anymore. You know something that every financial expert says.

1279
01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:19.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you need to drive to work by

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01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:22.399
<v Speaker 2>a good, cheap used car and drive it into the

1281
01:10:22.439 --> 01:10:23.079
<v Speaker 2>ground and.

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01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:26.199
<v Speaker 1>You need to get Hamshaw, you can You're done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And so you know, Look, we can complain about

1284
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:31.239
<v Speaker 2>boomers all you want, but we're seeing a very similar

1285
01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:36.279
<v Speaker 2>dynamic of rising dissatisfaction. And I think in certain ways

1286
01:10:36.640 --> 01:10:39.560
<v Speaker 2>you are ahead of us. You have an alternative, You

1287
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:42.279
<v Speaker 2>have someplace for that energy to go, and in the

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01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.600
<v Speaker 2>current system in the US, we do not. And it's

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01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:49.800
<v Speaker 2>my mind of fundamentally unstable sort of round of the game.

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01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:53.000
<v Speaker 2>For exactly that reason. Say what you will about Trump,

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01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:55.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, We've gotten more than I would have expected

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01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:58.600
<v Speaker 2>from it, you know, striking down the vra certain things

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01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:02.520
<v Speaker 2>that were definitely positive. But particularly young people and young

1294
01:11:02.640 --> 01:11:05.760
<v Speaker 2>men have nowhere to go. And it's why I'm so

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01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:09.000
<v Speaker 2>interested in the rise of restore Britain, because there is

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01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:12.119
<v Speaker 2>an alternative, There is a place for that energy to go,

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01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:15.039
<v Speaker 2>for those ambitious young men to seek or redress at

1298
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:18.560
<v Speaker 2>their grievances. We do not have. And so look, you

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01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:21.119
<v Speaker 2>know cat Turd and all of these you know, eighty

1300
01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:25.760
<v Speaker 2>five IQ, you know, magatards whine and whinge about Britain,

1301
01:11:26.159 --> 01:11:27.880
<v Speaker 2>how it's so over. You know, you're going to be

1302
01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:31.399
<v Speaker 2>swamped with you know, Islam accords and who knows, you know,

1303
01:11:31.880 --> 01:11:34.319
<v Speaker 2>the immigration. May we'll get worse. But in my mind,

1304
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:38.079
<v Speaker 2>you guys have hope. And it's a silly example, but

1305
01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Rupert Lowe said something maybe six months back about legalizing

1306
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:47.680
<v Speaker 2>pepper spray, right, and when that hit American social media,

1307
01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:49.399
<v Speaker 2>we were all like, there were a lot of people

1308
01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:52.079
<v Speaker 2>laughing about it, like, oh, you can't even use pepper spray,

1309
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, sure that is ridiculous and embarrassing. Right, an

1310
01:11:55.079 --> 01:12:00.239
<v Speaker 2>Englishman should not have to ask permission to use pepper spray, right,

1311
01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:02.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, effectively wasp spray for a rapist.

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01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:06.079
<v Speaker 1>But if I wish, but that's not where we are.

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01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, But to me that that is a very fundamental challenge, right,

1314
01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:14.520
<v Speaker 2>that is saying you have a right to defend yourself,

1315
01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:19.039
<v Speaker 2>which directionally is a huge improvement, you know, from banning

1316
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:22.520
<v Speaker 2>swords and pointed knives to saying no, if I am

1317
01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:26.199
<v Speaker 2>in power, you will have the ability to look after yourself.

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01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:30.880
<v Speaker 2>And so look, the current position of the UK seems

1319
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:33.880
<v Speaker 2>rather dire right as it looks now. You know you

1320
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:37.800
<v Speaker 2>mentioned the poverty, the you know, the sort of explosion

1321
01:12:37.920 --> 01:12:41.800
<v Speaker 2>of you know, social programs, these just fraud rings. But

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01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:44.319
<v Speaker 2>to me, I look at it as a very hopeful place,

1323
01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:48.119
<v Speaker 2>a very hopeful situation, because there is a direction and

1324
01:12:48.199 --> 01:12:51.119
<v Speaker 2>it seems as this, as you said multiple times, uh,

1325
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:55.760
<v Speaker 2>the populace is right wing pretty dramatically. So and can

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<v Speaker 2>I ask you yes, yes, m so.

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01:12:58.600 --> 01:13:04.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean off mutual friend Aaron McIntyre, you know, grapples

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01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:06.239
<v Speaker 1>with this quite a bit. And then the question is, look,

1329
01:13:06.439 --> 01:13:08.840
<v Speaker 1>let's say, because because the reason we are where we

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01:13:08.920 --> 01:13:12.720
<v Speaker 1>are in Britain is because we were willing to put

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01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:15.640
<v Speaker 1>up with a labor government in order to destroy our

1332
01:13:15.760 --> 01:13:18.920
<v Speaker 1>fake right wing party. And if if Nigel Franch turns

1333
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:21.399
<v Speaker 1>out to be fake as well, well we lose another

1334
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:24.600
<v Speaker 1>election and we destroy that. And we will keep destroying

1335
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:28.279
<v Speaker 1>what the right puts up until we get something genuine,

1336
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:31.319
<v Speaker 1>which I think we have now we've restored Britain. Because

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01:13:31.319 --> 01:13:36.800
<v Speaker 1>in your situation, the left is so clinically and utterly insane.

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01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Where do you stand on the issue of what right

1339
01:13:39.920 --> 01:13:43.439
<v Speaker 1>wing individuals should do when they're given a choice between

1340
01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:47.680
<v Speaker 1>an insane Democrat and a fake right winger, you know,

1341
01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:53.760
<v Speaker 1>some Zio pushing you know, Rhino who is you? You

1342
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:56.199
<v Speaker 1>just know he's going to betray you. Do you vote?

1343
01:13:56.279 --> 01:13:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Do you vote for the betrayal? I mean you're obviously

1344
01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:01.119
<v Speaker 1>not going to vote for the left. Or do you

1345
01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:03.119
<v Speaker 1>sit it out? What do you do in that situation?

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01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this is interesting. I wrote an article a

1347
01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:12.239
<v Speaker 2>while back called the Republican Samson Option, named for Israel's

1348
01:14:12.239 --> 01:14:16.840
<v Speaker 2>first strike nuclear policy, basically making the argument, I guess

1349
01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:19.079
<v Speaker 2>it was almost a year ago. I think it was

1350
01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:23.039
<v Speaker 2>last November, but basically making the argument then that the

1351
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:26.119
<v Speaker 2>neo cons right, the Zio conservative part of the Republican

1352
01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:32.159
<v Speaker 2>Party were basically going to explode the Republican Party and

1353
01:14:33.000 --> 01:14:37.079
<v Speaker 2>the sort of nascent Maga America First movement. Rather than

1354
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:39.920
<v Speaker 2>seed control of the Republican Party, they would rather blow

1355
01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:43.039
<v Speaker 2>it all up. They would rather see their institutions die

1356
01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:45.720
<v Speaker 2>with them than lose control, which turned out to be

1357
01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:49.199
<v Speaker 2>remarkably prescient. Right. You look at the situation at Heritage,

1358
01:14:49.359 --> 01:14:51.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the big conservative think tanks. You

1359
01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:54.199
<v Speaker 2>look at what is currently happening and polling where Trump

1360
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:57.479
<v Speaker 2>has now lost white working class voters for the first

1361
01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:00.600
<v Speaker 2>time in his entire political career. We're going on what

1362
01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:05.119
<v Speaker 2>almost twelve years of that. So look, I get it,

1363
01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:08.720
<v Speaker 2>but also look, I'm I live in Virginia, and what

1364
01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:13.960
<v Speaker 2>happened in Virginia is they ran a astoundingly bad black

1365
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Jamaican immigrant woman who hated statues and hated Donald Trump,

1366
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:21.079
<v Speaker 2>and then were surprised when she got absolutely shellacked. And

1367
01:15:21.279 --> 01:15:25.119
<v Speaker 2>what happened is what had been the candidate, Yes, and

1368
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:30.399
<v Speaker 2>she lost by a historic merchant, absolutely demolished. And the

1369
01:15:30.479 --> 01:15:33.680
<v Speaker 2>woman that came after her, Abigail Spanberger. I know what

1370
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:38.479
<v Speaker 2>you're thinking, she's not, but she came in and basically

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01:15:38.600 --> 01:15:43.399
<v Speaker 2>went full chairman now and attempted to redistricts the entire

1372
01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:46.399
<v Speaker 2>state to basically take it from a five to six

1373
01:15:46.720 --> 01:15:49.760
<v Speaker 2>so slight Democrat advantage, which if you look at the numbers,

1374
01:15:49.920 --> 01:15:53.079
<v Speaker 2>was about the electorate to ten to one. Right, completely

1375
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:57.279
<v Speaker 2>rewrite the map and make politics in policas. Yeah. So

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01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:59.239
<v Speaker 2>the reason I bring that up is one, is it

1377
01:15:59.279 --> 01:16:01.600
<v Speaker 2>because I am person only but hurt that that's happening

1378
01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:05.439
<v Speaker 2>to my state. Yes, all right, yeah, I'll admit that. Now.

1379
01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:07.720
<v Speaker 2>It was later struck down by a court. Going back

1380
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:10.720
<v Speaker 2>to your earlier comments about the American political system being

1381
01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.960
<v Speaker 2>biased towards nothing ever happened. But point is, that's a

1382
01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:18.560
<v Speaker 2>situation where that is, to a certain extent, existential right.

1383
01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:21.760
<v Speaker 2>If you are in a ten to one Jerrymanderd situation,

1384
01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:25.600
<v Speaker 2>you are that farmer in California, you have no way

1385
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:28.880
<v Speaker 2>to represent yourself whatsoever. You're screwed. So in that situation,

1386
01:16:29.039 --> 01:16:31.359
<v Speaker 2>I did what many people did, which is I went

1387
01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:33.680
<v Speaker 2>to the polls and voted against it. I vote didn't

1388
01:16:33.720 --> 01:16:35.800
<v Speaker 2>end up mattering, right, It was a narrow vote, but

1389
01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:39.119
<v Speaker 2>the redistricting one. But in that situation where it directly

1390
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:42.439
<v Speaker 2>affects you, where it's like your life will measurably get

1391
01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:45.920
<v Speaker 2>warse like you're gonna get screwed. The place you love

1392
01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:49.399
<v Speaker 2>is going to be irrevocably harmed. I get that now.

1393
01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:53.039
<v Speaker 2>On the national scale, I'll be honest, I'm not voting

1394
01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:56.920
<v Speaker 2>for the Republican and the next presidential election because I've

1395
01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.239
<v Speaker 2>been screwed, especially not if it's Marco Rubiu. And I

1396
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:03.319
<v Speaker 2>think that many other young guys are in a very

1397
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:07.079
<v Speaker 2>similar situation. Men under thirty broke for Trump. It was

1398
01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:10.279
<v Speaker 2>a historic victory, right, really pushed him over the edge.

1399
01:17:10.720 --> 01:17:13.319
<v Speaker 2>And a lot of that was the economic and the

1400
01:17:13.399 --> 01:17:16.840
<v Speaker 2>social issues, right, young guys being tired of being told

1401
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:19.800
<v Speaker 2>you are the cause of all societies problems. You just

1402
01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:23.600
<v Speaker 2>need to take it right, bite the pillow, basically, and

1403
01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.920
<v Speaker 2>they swung for Trump and got betrayed. The immigration stuff

1404
01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:29.119
<v Speaker 2>has been great, some of the court stuff has been great.

1405
01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth,

1406
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:33.840
<v Speaker 2>but fundamentally the purpose of my government is not to

1407
01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:38.840
<v Speaker 2>benefit me. It's to benefit a certain Mediterranean nation, and

1408
01:17:39.520 --> 01:17:42.800
<v Speaker 2>that idea has has escaped containment. I've said this on

1409
01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:46.199
<v Speaker 2>my show multiple times, but my non political friends, right,

1410
01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:48.000
<v Speaker 2>the guys who I went to school with, who live

1411
01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:50.680
<v Speaker 2>around me. Who Yeah, sure they might pull the lever

1412
01:17:50.840 --> 01:17:53.119
<v Speaker 2>for a Republican every couple of years, but they don't

1413
01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:55.239
<v Speaker 2>know what's happening. They don't think about this stuff all

1414
01:17:55.319 --> 01:17:56.000
<v Speaker 2>day like we do.

1415
01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:56.479
<v Speaker 1>Dan.

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01:17:56.960 --> 01:17:59.479
<v Speaker 2>They're mad, and they're not only mad, but they're saying

1417
01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:04.279
<v Speaker 2>the sort of things about certain prime ministers, certain you know,

1418
01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:08.680
<v Speaker 2>tunnel digging religious figures that you know, fifteen years ago

1419
01:18:08.720 --> 01:18:11.279
<v Speaker 2>you had to go to fourhand. And when I say

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01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:14.439
<v Speaker 2>it's unstable that there is no redress for grievances, that

1421
01:18:14.560 --> 01:18:17.880
<v Speaker 2>is a very common feeling that, look, we we did

1422
01:18:18.000 --> 01:18:20.399
<v Speaker 2>what we were supposed to do, and there was hope

1423
01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:23.760
<v Speaker 2>in those first couple moment months, right the fulury of

1424
01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:26.159
<v Speaker 2>executive orders, what Doge was doing, this would be an

1425
01:18:26.159 --> 01:18:30.560
<v Speaker 2>actual substantive change, and effectively the Republican Party said, Nope,

1426
01:18:30.840 --> 01:18:33.800
<v Speaker 2>we've got to keep boomers stock portfolios and home values up.

1427
01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:36.840
<v Speaker 2>We've got to keep sending aid to you know, our

1428
01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:40.279
<v Speaker 2>our favorite Middle Eastern democracy and all that other stuff. Yeah,

1429
01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:42.680
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter, we'll get to it. Maybe we won't.

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01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:44.960
<v Speaker 2>And so in my mind, I think we are going

1431
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:48.439
<v Speaker 2>to see something very similar or well, we would have

1432
01:18:49.000 --> 01:18:51.279
<v Speaker 2>to what happened to the Conservative Party in the UK

1433
01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:56.680
<v Speaker 2>where the Democrats don't win, the Republicans lose. Now, the

1434
01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:59.880
<v Speaker 2>situation with redistricting, I'll mention this because it's quite important,

1435
01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:03.600
<v Speaker 2>seems to have allowed Trump to skate on this because

1436
01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:08.439
<v Speaker 2>previously the stakes of this game were very high, because

1437
01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:12.159
<v Speaker 2>if he loses the legislature, well, he gets impeached, he

1438
01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:15.239
<v Speaker 2>goes to jail, either for something he actually did do

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<v Speaker 2>and there's some stuff there, or just for whatever they

1440
01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:22.079
<v Speaker 2>come up with. Right, you know, like Letitia James style

1441
01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:25.800
<v Speaker 2>deciding he owes the state government five hundred million dollars

1442
01:19:25.960 --> 01:19:28.520
<v Speaker 2>because his accountant made a mistake. It doesn't it almost

1443
01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:33.479
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter. Right. Well, this redistricting in Virginia has hit

1444
01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:37.399
<v Speaker 2>has sort of created this cascade where other states have

1445
01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:40.239
<v Speaker 2>basically realized like, oh, shoot, we can do this too,

1446
01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:44.960
<v Speaker 2>and so you have states, a lot of Republican states redistricting. Now,

1447
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned the VRA, the Voting Rights Act that had

1448
01:19:49.399 --> 01:19:52.479
<v Speaker 2>a part in it that was legitimately absurd. Unless you

1449
01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:57.199
<v Speaker 2>wonder why America has been lurching to the left for

1450
01:19:57.239 --> 01:19:59.960
<v Speaker 2>the last sixty years. The Supreme Court had basically said

1451
01:20:00.479 --> 01:20:04.800
<v Speaker 2>that particularly evil, racist, bad Southern states are required by

1452
01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:09.079
<v Speaker 2>law to have minority representation, which means you have these

1453
01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:12.159
<v Speaker 2>absurd they look like computer hard drives, right, these like long,

1454
01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:15.880
<v Speaker 2>stringy districts in places like Louisiana and Mississippi, so that

1455
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:21.079
<v Speaker 2>they can artificially create a black by extension democratic majority

1456
01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:23.640
<v Speaker 2>in that district that's been struck down. So you have

1457
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:27.680
<v Speaker 2>multiple things. One Republican states becoming more Republican because they're like,

1458
01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:29.319
<v Speaker 2>all right, this is how we play the game. Now,

1459
01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:31.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, we're just going to become one party states.

1460
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Also the disillusion of these artificial minority districts, and so

1461
01:20:37.399 --> 01:20:41.960
<v Speaker 2>what that's done is seemingly it will allow Trump and

1462
01:20:42.039 --> 01:20:45.079
<v Speaker 2>the Republicans to skate. They won't have to pay the

1463
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:49.399
<v Speaker 2>consequences of alienating a large portion of their baits, both

1464
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:53.039
<v Speaker 2>young men, white working class voters. A lot of people

1465
01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:57.279
<v Speaker 2>are very alienated. But if you stack the deck to

1466
01:20:57.359 --> 01:20:59.720
<v Speaker 2>such a degree, well you might lose the Senate, but

1467
01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:04.560
<v Speaker 2>you keep the House, and so fundamentally nothing changes. So

1468
01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:08.239
<v Speaker 2>that's my analysis on this. At the state level, or

1469
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:12.039
<v Speaker 2>continue voting Republican because I've seen the alternative, you know,

1470
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:14.039
<v Speaker 2>and at least where I live, that matter is quite

1471
01:21:14.039 --> 01:21:17.399
<v Speaker 2>a lot. But on the national level, they can take

1472
01:21:17.399 --> 01:21:19.880
<v Speaker 2>a hike. Hopefully it actually ends up hurting them and

1473
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:23.920
<v Speaker 2>ends up mattering because seemingly Donald Trump seems to have

1474
01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:27.000
<v Speaker 2>slipped consequences once again. But you know this is all

1475
01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:29.960
<v Speaker 2>hypothetical at this point. We don't know until November.

1476
01:21:30.359 --> 01:21:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the thing I've always been wondering. Because you

1477
01:21:32.640 --> 01:21:35.640
<v Speaker 1>do have so many layers of government, I can understand

1478
01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:40.319
<v Speaker 1>that you want your local representatives to be all Republican,

1479
01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:42.479
<v Speaker 1>even if you have to put up with a few

1480
01:21:42.560 --> 01:21:45.840
<v Speaker 1>bad ones, because the alternative is too horrific. You end

1481
01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:48.239
<v Speaker 1>up like Bloody California, where your kids will be getting

1482
01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:50.199
<v Speaker 1>taken off you and all the rest of it. You

1483
01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:54.000
<v Speaker 1>would be getting arrested over nonsense. But ultimately you can

1484
01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:57.199
<v Speaker 1>just walk away from the national elections. And yes, okay,

1485
01:21:57.399 --> 01:22:00.199
<v Speaker 1>if you lose the national elections, you're going to get

1486
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:04.399
<v Speaker 1>some idiot in the White House backed up with the

1487
01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:06.960
<v Speaker 1>legislative who will do things like you know, kick you

1488
01:22:07.039 --> 01:22:10.039
<v Speaker 1>off YouTube and sense you in a whole bunch of

1489
01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:12.199
<v Speaker 1>different ways and waste your money and all that kind

1490
01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:15.359
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. But ultimately you are insulated because as long

1491
01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:18.439
<v Speaker 1>as you're in a Republican state, they can't come after

1492
01:22:18.479 --> 01:22:22.039
<v Speaker 1>your person quite that hard. You have got that protection level.

1493
01:22:22.399 --> 01:22:26.680
<v Speaker 1>So you know, it's just not clear to me why

1494
01:22:26.760 --> 01:22:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Republicans are putting up with being offered these quite fake

1495
01:22:32.520 --> 01:22:33.600
<v Speaker 1>right wiggers.

1496
01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:37.920
<v Speaker 2>As long as hobouly Dan. So this is another interesting

1497
01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:43.079
<v Speaker 2>development as part of this redistricting conversation. One of the

1498
01:22:43.119 --> 01:22:46.159
<v Speaker 2>states that came up for it was Indiana, right, a

1499
01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:50.880
<v Speaker 2>quite right wing state, one that should have all Republican districts,

1500
01:22:51.199 --> 01:22:53.800
<v Speaker 2>but it didn't. And so the President and others were

1501
01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:56.199
<v Speaker 2>basically looking at him like, all right, guys, fix it,

1502
01:22:56.399 --> 01:22:58.479
<v Speaker 2>come on, you have a power to do it. And

1503
01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:01.359
<v Speaker 2>a couple of these you know what Rus Schlimbaugh would

1504
01:23:01.399 --> 01:23:04.800
<v Speaker 2>call rhinos, right Republicans in name only, exactly those type

1505
01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:08.439
<v Speaker 2>of you know, kind of chamber of commerce types, they

1506
01:23:08.520 --> 01:23:10.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't do it. You know. One of the me infamously

1507
01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:15.319
<v Speaker 2>had a uh, what's the polite term, a mentally infirmed daughter,

1508
01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:19.479
<v Speaker 2>and he said, Donald Trump used the word retard. I

1509
01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:22.399
<v Speaker 2>have a retarded daughter. You can't say that, I'm not

1510
01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:25.159
<v Speaker 2>voting for you. And so it didn't end up happening, right,

1511
01:23:25.439 --> 01:23:29.319
<v Speaker 2>It's stupid stuff, But point is, uh, he got primaried

1512
01:23:29.560 --> 01:23:32.560
<v Speaker 2>and lost massively. It was kind of a clean house.

1513
01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:36.159
<v Speaker 2>And it seems as if we are starting to see

1514
01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:40.880
<v Speaker 2>a changing of the guard. Right. All of the really old,

1515
01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:44.079
<v Speaker 2>horrible American politicians, the ones you've known about forever, are

1516
01:23:44.119 --> 01:23:48.239
<v Speaker 2>getting old, dying, or dropping out, you know, Pelosi, Feinstein,

1517
01:23:48.359 --> 01:23:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Mitch McConnell. We're seeing a changeover, and that is on

1518
01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:57.439
<v Speaker 2>the representative level. We are also within the American populace

1519
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:02.399
<v Speaker 2>seeing a dramatic changeover since we've had a breakdown in

1520
01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:06.119
<v Speaker 2>generational terms on both the left and the right, nominally

1521
01:24:06.319 --> 01:24:09.640
<v Speaker 2>over the issue of Israel, and it is about Israel,

1522
01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:12.079
<v Speaker 2>but it's also about a bunch of other stuff too.

1523
01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:16.479
<v Speaker 2>And for instance, with the lefties, this happened with the

1524
01:24:18.079 --> 01:24:22.840
<v Speaker 2>pro Palestinian protests right after October seventh, where the activist class,

1525
01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:27.039
<v Speaker 2>the kids at college were getting beaten with truncheons directed

1526
01:24:27.159 --> 01:24:32.880
<v Speaker 2>by predominantly older Democrats. We've seen a breakdown there. Similarly,

1527
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:36.760
<v Speaker 2>in the Republican context, we're also seeing a breakdown. I'm

1528
01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:40.119
<v Speaker 2>sure you've read all these stories about the young Republicans

1529
01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:45.399
<v Speaker 2>the I can't remember the other organization heritage, where effectively

1530
01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:49.600
<v Speaker 2>there has been a desire to purge Grouper's quote unquote

1531
01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:53.760
<v Speaker 2>and Grouper's. Sure. Are some of them fans of Nick Flints,

1532
01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:57.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure, But functionally it's just a slur. It means

1533
01:24:57.680 --> 01:25:02.560
<v Speaker 2>you're a bad person. Get out. And these organizations like Heritage,

1534
01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:06.279
<v Speaker 2>like the Young Republicans have basically decided that they are

1535
01:25:06.359 --> 01:25:11.439
<v Speaker 2>going to attempt to purge basically anyone under forty because

1536
01:25:11.479 --> 01:25:16.079
<v Speaker 2>they have offensive positions, and the sort of astro turfed

1537
01:25:16.359 --> 01:25:21.039
<v Speaker 2>fake right wing figures are landing flatter than ever. I'm

1538
01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:23.720
<v Speaker 2>sure you've seen the coverage that Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire

1539
01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:28.520
<v Speaker 2>is hemorrhaging money due to some back end contexts. There

1540
01:25:28.600 --> 01:25:31.479
<v Speaker 2>are people at the Daily Wire who are making money.

1541
01:25:31.840 --> 01:25:34.159
<v Speaker 2>They are not Ben Shapiro, and they do not say

1542
01:25:34.199 --> 01:25:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Ben Shapiro things, I'll put it that way, and so effectively,

1543
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:41.800
<v Speaker 2>it seems as if the kind of twentieth century brand

1544
01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.600
<v Speaker 2>for both the Democrats and the Republicans is running out

1545
01:25:44.640 --> 01:25:48.479
<v Speaker 2>of steam and will not no longer be viable. Interesting

1546
01:25:48.560 --> 01:25:51.079
<v Speaker 2>on that front, I don't really know where that energy goes,

1547
01:25:51.600 --> 01:25:54.399
<v Speaker 2>but in my mind I think that Israel is so

1548
01:25:54.720 --> 01:25:57.399
<v Speaker 2>unpopular and by extension all of the other things that

1549
01:25:57.520 --> 01:25:59.920
<v Speaker 2>come with it, I think that fundamentally it will become

1550
01:26:00.079 --> 01:26:03.039
<v Speaker 2>an electoral non starter on both the left and the right.

1551
01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:08.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious to see where that goes. Sorry, massive diversion there,

1552
01:26:08.079 --> 01:26:11.000
<v Speaker 2>but this is the sort of I mean.

1553
01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:14.000
<v Speaker 1>I remember when Ted and I used to like Ted Cruz.

1554
01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:16.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's an intelligent guy, he's got some interesting

1555
01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:18.560
<v Speaker 1>things to say. But I remember it wasn't so long

1556
01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:20.359
<v Speaker 1>ago that he came out and he said the reason

1557
01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:23.279
<v Speaker 1>that he joined the Senate was to protect Israel. Now,

1558
01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:25.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm an Englishman and I was bloody offended at that.

1559
01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:28.800
<v Speaker 1>If he had said the reason I joined the Senate

1560
01:26:29.039 --> 01:26:33.880
<v Speaker 1>was to protect my Christian faith, USA or Texas, any

1561
01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:36.640
<v Speaker 1>one of those would have been a suitable answer. But

1562
01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:40.439
<v Speaker 1>coming out and saying Israel is the problem is is

1563
01:26:40.720 --> 01:26:43.000
<v Speaker 1>to the rest of the world, the US looks like

1564
01:26:43.279 --> 01:26:45.479
<v Speaker 1>a client state of Israel.

1565
01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to say it just looks looks like is

1566
01:26:48.800 --> 01:26:52.600
<v Speaker 2>a very generous way of phrasing that I mean, and

1567
01:26:53.039 --> 01:26:56.640
<v Speaker 2>that attitude for a lot of people. It isn't even

1568
01:26:57.119 --> 01:26:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the most sophisticated version of that idea. You know, talk

1569
01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:04.520
<v Speaker 2>about lacude, the money streaming into American preachers and American politicians.

1570
01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:06.920
<v Speaker 2>A lot of it's way more simple. A lot of

1571
01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>it is. Hey, you promised to do a bunch of

1572
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:12.319
<v Speaker 2>stuff for me. Why is gas five dollars a gallon?

1573
01:27:12.720 --> 01:27:15.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, it's because of this war. Why did we

1574
01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.159
<v Speaker 2>get into this war? Oh well Marco Rubio said, we

1575
01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:21.439
<v Speaker 2>got into this war because of them. And again, you

1576
01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:23.560
<v Speaker 2>know that's not the kind of like one hundred and

1577
01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:26.920
<v Speaker 2>thirty five IQ, you know, protocols of the Elder whatever

1578
01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:30.600
<v Speaker 2>your favorite schizo theory is. It's not that, but that

1579
01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:33.199
<v Speaker 2>general sense to your point that we are not a

1580
01:27:33.279 --> 01:27:37.279
<v Speaker 2>country run for our own benefit. That's that's broken containment.

1581
01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>And look, man like I would be offended if he

1582
01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:42.079
<v Speaker 2>said that his the purpose that he was in power

1583
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:44.920
<v Speaker 2>was to promote you know, the English, the interest of

1584
01:27:44.960 --> 01:27:47.680
<v Speaker 2>the United Kingdom, and I like the United Kingdom or

1585
01:27:47.840 --> 01:27:51.640
<v Speaker 2>written much more than Israel. Right, It's there are two

1586
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:55.479
<v Speaker 2>levels to it, you know. Anyway, Dan, this has been fascinating.

1587
01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:58.720
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate your expertise in your time. Where can people

1588
01:27:58.720 --> 01:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>find you? Where can they find more your work?

1589
01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, if they want to get into stuff like this,

1590
01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Carl and I do a weekly political chat. So if

1591
01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>you if you search political chat and Lotus eaters, I'm

1592
01:28:09.760 --> 01:28:13.399
<v Speaker 1>on I'm on Twitter. A series of based and a

1593
01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:18.800
<v Speaker 1>reverend tape at King Bingo. But yeah, mainly my output

1594
01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:22.560
<v Speaker 1>is is on Lotus eaters and yeah if you if

1595
01:28:22.600 --> 01:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>you come to it. When we cover a lot of

1596
01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:25.880
<v Speaker 1>American politics as well, a bit a third of our

1597
01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:28.920
<v Speaker 1>audience is US, so we cover plenty of that stuff already,

1598
01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:31.439
<v Speaker 1>h and we cover the interesting stories in the UK.

1599
01:28:31.760 --> 01:28:33.680
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I mean we're boyed by a sense of

1600
01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:38.039
<v Speaker 1>optimism and uh, you know, I just hope that that

1601
01:28:38.199 --> 01:28:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you guys find a political solution that is real quite soon,

1602
01:28:41.720 --> 01:28:44.279
<v Speaker 1>because you know, I've been following the ups and downs

1603
01:28:44.319 --> 01:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>of the American political system for many years at this point,

1604
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>and honestly, there was such jubilation when Trump on the

1605
01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>first time and the second time, you know, we were

1606
01:28:51.800 --> 01:28:54.479
<v Speaker 1>very excited about it. We didn't all light election stream

1607
01:28:54.560 --> 01:28:57.159
<v Speaker 1>for the for the second win, and it's and it's

1608
01:28:57.239 --> 01:29:01.119
<v Speaker 1>really disheartening to just find a return to type. So,

1609
01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:04.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, thank you to all the Americans who support

1610
01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:07.319
<v Speaker 1>us and on our political revival, and I hope you

1611
01:29:07.359 --> 01:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>guys have one coming your way soon too.

1612
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.000
<v Speaker 2>God speed, Dan, never run at home, keep your head up.

1613
01:29:13.239 --> 01:29:14.640
<v Speaker 2>I can't last forever. Good Night,