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run back to the Pekanana show. Filos Miscellany hasn't been

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here in a while, but he's back. What's going on

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Filos now much.

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Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having

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me back.

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Speaker 1: You are welcome. I can't wait for this because there

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was a name that came up in the recent series

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I did with Stormy on The Robber Barons, and we

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never really dove into who that was, and you had

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mentioned that you had a book on him, and then

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you started researching him and going down a rabbit hole,

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and it was like, hey, let's talk about this on

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the show. Who are we talking about today, Filos?

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Speaker 2: We are talking about a man named Bernard Baruch, But

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I'm not going to say it like that because it's

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going to get really obnoxious, So I'm just going to

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call him Baruch. The book that was written about him

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is a hagiography written while he was still alive by

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a woman named Margaret Quoite in nineteen fifty seven. Mister

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Baruch himself commissioned the book, and she spent seven years writing.

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She had access to all of his personal papers, interviewed

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everyone that he knew, but Baruk disliked the final product

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so much that he entirely withdrew permission to access his

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private papers, and the author vowed never to write the

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biography of a living person again, but that doesn't tell

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you so much about who the man is. To keep

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it very brief, he is responsible for the mobilization of

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commodities and the logistics operations behind most of World War

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One and a good portion of World War Two. And

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he was a close adviser to every US president from

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Wilson all the way through to Truman before he fell

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out of favor with President Truman in the late nineteen

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forties and sort of retired from politics. He was a

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political connection to a vast majority of any powerful people

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within Washington at the time, I'm and he was responsible

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for geuring the wartime economies in both of those wars.

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He is a critical piece of understanding the American rearmament

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for World War One and World War Two.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like somebody who not only can pull strings,

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but I mean, where does somewhere like that come from?

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Like what's the I mean, I know people know what

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the early life is, but what's the early life on?

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Bernard Beruke hated he how'd he get to where he got? So?

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Speaker 2: He was born in eighteen seventy, five years after the

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end of the Civil War, in Camden, South Carolina, But

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he was not a Southern boy. His parents and his

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grandparents and all of his previous lineage on both sides

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of the family was Jewish, and his parents were not

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born in the United States proper. So there's a whole

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thing about his Jewish lineage, which I'll get into in

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a bit. But he was the son of Simon Bruch,

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who was a surgeon in the Confederate Army, and that man,

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as a surgeon, was very involved with the Confederacy and

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the treatment of the wounded during the war and after

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the war. He was a member of the KKK, which

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would explain the prominent democratic political partisan tendency that mister

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Baruch had for his entire life, and also his connection

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with many other Jews throughout his career. So a lot

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of the connections that he makes are Jews, and we

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can get all into that, but that's the gist of

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his background in the South.

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Speaker 1: I think something that some people bring up some times

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is the fact that you know, there were a lot

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of a lot of Jews in the South, and even

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like Judah, Benjamin obviously is the most obvious one when

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it comes to the war, and when it comes to

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the Southern government. Some people make the make the argument

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that one of the reasons why the South didn't win

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is because the well, there was a what some would

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call a historically subversive element in charge and in power

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and controlling a lot of wealth in the South. So

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what would you say from what you've studied is there?

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Speaker 2: I can't comment generally as to it. But as to

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his family specifically, they were immensely wealthy for first generations.

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kind of the idyllic Southern childhood mammy, so to speak.

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war as much as many other Southerners. So I'll leave

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you to draw your own conclusions from that.

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Speaker 1: So, when he's making connections and he's growing power, how

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is he accumulating his power to get to the point

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where he can influence presidents and basically have a good

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part in controlling the two biggest wars of all time.

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Speaker 2: So the rise is pretty interesting. He's a smart man,

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a good boxer. At age ten, he moves up to

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New York City and at the time Jews were not

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allowed in the IVY leagues in the United States, they

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were simply forbidden from attending. And instead of going to

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an IVY league, he went to City University in New York,

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which is the primary pathway for very powerful Jews to

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get a college degree and make business network connections. And

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there was a sort of funneling effect where the nation's

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wealthiest and most powerful ones would go to this college,

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generally on their own merit. They had kind of uniquely

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as far as colleges go, universal entrance exams that Jews

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would go through and get on to the program. But

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he also meets very interesting people when he's at City College.

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He befriends a man called Lewis Rothschild that might come

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up later, you know. I'm sure your audience knows about

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the Rothchilds. He also meets a man called Josephus Daniels,

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and after college, sort of the network of people he's

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meeting include people like Guggenheim. And to get back to

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kind of his time in school a little bit here,

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he is a very athletic guy. Most Jews in the

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eighteen nineties that were kind of known for boxing. Strangely enough,

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this is something that's not widely known today very talented boxer.

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He was a very tall guy for a jew. Non

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Jewish sources will say six feet tall. Jewish sources will

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say six foot three. To kind of compensate. He goes

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in eighteen ninety to where his parents were born, in

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Schwelsend in East Prussia, to meet his grandparents. There's a

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few interesting lines here about his Jewish background that I'll

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kind of read. This is right out of his biography.

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Quote when he saw the handsome Prussian hussars and nice

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uniforms and scarred faces, something tightened within him. For his

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was the heritage of eighteen forty eight, and this was

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the hateful militarism from which his father had fled. There's

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another interesting anecdote, which is that he meets his grandparents

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who are still living there, and his grandfather takes him

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into the closet and shows him a human skull that

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has writings of various languages on it, like Hebrew, Portuguese, Spanish,

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and German, and I quote even tongues long forgotten and

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spoken no more. This was the genealogy of the Baruch family,

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descended from the Baruch who was in Jeremiah's scrolls in

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the Babylonian captivity. So there's probably some cabalistic magic going

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on or some kind of weird past background, because, as

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their audience may or may not know, I was raised

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Jewish and I've never met another Jewish family that has

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a skull in the closet. Very unusual. I want to

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talk a little bit now about how he makes his fortune.

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I'll keep it brief. He is He joins a small

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firm on Wall Street, and he speculates on rubber, gets

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very wealthy. He's a millionaire by the time he's thirty

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in nineteen oh five, and he starts making a whole

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bunch of connections, and he's known for getting people what

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they need when they need it. So he's described in

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the book as not necessarily the frontman of industry, like

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a Carnegie or a JP Morgan, but he knew the

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key players in back places. One such example of this

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is there was a man named Josephus Daniels who needed

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a whole bunch of zinc, and in order to facilitate

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this connection for the New Jersey Zinc Company, he met

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with some very strange people to facilitate raw commodities, and

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later on in his career this back dealing becomes a

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tremendous strength of his later on, he's very successful in

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the commodity trading and he ends up getting very very

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close also with key members of the Democratic Party. I'm

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thinking specifically of a guy called Colonel House, who I

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believe you've talked about before, Pete, maybe briefly, but for

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those who don't know, Colonel House was kind of the

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go to man in Washington between nineteen twelve and nineteen eighteen,

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and he was kind of the one running the show

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for Wilson if it wasn't for his wife's involvement. President

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Wilson's wife at the end of the war, so it

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gets very close with Colonel House. He gets very close

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with the president and chairman of the DNC, a guy

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named William McAdoo, and all these connections that he's making

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lobby very hard for Baruk's involvement in politics. The man

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who was kind of his mentor, McAdoo, was Wilson's key

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man and married Wilson's daughter in nineteen fourteen for his

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second marriage. Very close connections. That man was the Treasury

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Secretary at the outbreak of World War One. In addition,

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and this is the last kind of connection, and then

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I'll go into his World War One career. Baruch was

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also friends with Justice Lewis Brandeis, who also supported Baruch's

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career progression to President Wilson as well. So I don't

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believe it's a matter of coincidence that every powerful Jew

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in the Wilson administration was known to Baruch through his

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time at City College in New York and also his

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business connections prior to World War One.

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Speaker 1: So you had mentioned, and I know you said we

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talked about this a little bit the first time you

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were on that you were raised Jewish. What do you know.

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Speaker 2: Of his religious involvement?

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Speaker 1: You you Yeah, you mentioned that you were raised Jewish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so my background, uh, born and raised Jewish went

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through the whole thing, reat me law, bow meetsva. I

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lived for a few years in Israel, and then uh,

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eventually I recognize that Christ is the Messiah. And you

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can't remain a Jew if you decide and know that

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Christ is the Messiah. So I became a Christian, married

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a Christian woman. Uh, my wife and I are Orthodox Christians.

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So I no longer believe in Judaism. But I could

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tell you that the the the patronage network of things

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is very powerful even today as far as getting into

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places that you wouldn't be able to get into otherwise.

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Having career advancement, you know, and I know that a

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lot of business dealings, a lot of things happened over

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shah about dinners and uh you know, there's it's it's

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it's very I think also a lot of my early

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career success, which I won't go into ioe to my

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Jewish background, the education that I got, the people that

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I met. I think that's that's that's kind of the

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strength the in group preferences.

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Speaker 1: So is that it is it in group preferences or

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is it the high verbal.

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Speaker 2: Iq Not all of us have high verbal IQs, even

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though I'm talking a lot. It's uh no, it's it's

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also it's a bifurcation. It's it's a split between being

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an ethnicity and being a religion. So whenever you need to,

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you can switch between the two. You can sort of

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play up the ethnic card, right, So for example, I

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could claim that I'm white or that I'm Jewish selectively,

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or it's a religious thing that I have some kind

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of mystical connection with the divine being chosen. And I

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remember as a kid, part of the kid's books that

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we would read in the synagogue would have like the

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Prague Golum and stuff is like this avatar of Jewish

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sentiment against bigotry. And you know, when you're a kid,

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you don't really question any of this stuff. But you know,

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I lived in Israel for a few years. It's a

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religious ethno state, and you know, when you do that

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long enough, you know it's kind of like, h maybe

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regular Joe Schmoe in America should kind of have this too.

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You know, these connections, these benefits, these opportunities, and maybe

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they should be able to be proud of their heritage

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and believe in their own narrative and their understanding of history.

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Like maybe they shouldn't be shamed for that intrinsically.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I know that from reading shahak

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Once you once a Jew does start professing Christ, their

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their life and Israel is pretty much over.

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Speaker 2: Oh toast, Like my rabbi like wouldn't even wouldn't even

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speak to me, like the whole the whole Jewish side

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of the family that ostracized me, and uh it's uh yeah,

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you know, it's this weird thing because like you're dead

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to them and for for what exactly, Like you're still

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ethnically Jewish, and uh, the funny part is like eighty

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percent of Jews or something don't even believe in God,

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and uh, he kind of you know, that's the whole thing.

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I mean, Oh my gosh, it's just a mess. It's

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just a total, total mess.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get back to mister Baruch. Since we

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know that you don't have any in your family, doesn't

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have any skulls hiding in the closet. Yeah, yeah, so

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we're let's get into World War One, because that's uh,

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you know, when somebody has that much power to do

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the kind of things he did when he some explanations

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for that.

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Speaker 2: So he is appointed by Wilson to head the War

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Industries Board. And I'm not an economist, but the best

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I can figure what the War Industry's Board does in

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World War One is they acquire raw commodities for industries

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and then they go in with the backing and blessing

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of the federal government to dictate to corporations what they're

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producing for the war effort. And because they're the federal government,

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they can control the commodity supply chain and the production

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and the logistics of shipping the final product overseas. They're

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doing this for the Americans before the entry into World

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War One. They're doing this for the French and the British,

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so a lot of the material assistance that we see

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during World War One. The reason that the Allies were

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able to hold out so long against the Central Power

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was because of the American logistics that were backing them up.

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And that's a pretty neutral statement. But what's not a

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neutral statement is how he went about getting the materials

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and also how he profited from being in charge of this. Now,

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technically speaking, Wilson's executive order that created this war Industry's

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board stated that the chairman could not explicitly set the

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price of things. But if you're the man that's controlling

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the supply of the commodity and the demand of where

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it goes to, you're going to have an innate knowledge

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of that item's price. So he was able to strike

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these insane deals. One example of a deal is he

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talked to Daniel Guggenheim into selling forty five million pounds

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of copper at half the market price, saving three point

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seven million dollars in nineteen sixteen nineteen seventeen dollars, which

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is an insane deal. And the War Industries Board created

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all these facilities all over the country to coordinate the food,

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the fuel, the railway administration, the shipping Board, the War

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Trade Board. Every decision of the commodities and the production

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of the economy and wartime passed by him. But this

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was not something that was created by an Act of Congress.

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And you know he was also backed up by all

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of Wilson's cabinet and Colonel House as well. Let's see here.

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So word on the street even during World War One

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was that Bernard Baruch was profiteering from the War Industries Board,

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and he was. It's very difficult to know. And I

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believe that before Baruch himself in this biography ordered the

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stripping out of all the details of personal correspondence, that

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there was probably some pretty damning stuff in there. But

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one thing that stayed in the book was that in

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nineteen seventeen he wrote a check for five million dollars

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worth of bonds for the first Liberty Loan Drive. As

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you know, wars are very expensive and there's three main

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ways you can finance war taxation, borrowing, and the expedients

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of printing money. So in World War One, under his plan,

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according to the Fed's website, the Federal Reserve, that is,

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the government, relied on a mix of one third new

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taxes and two thirds borrowing from the general population. The

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securities were issued by the Treasury, but the Federal Reserve

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and its member banks conducted the bond sales. They taxed

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the richest and exempted the poor. The highest marginal rate

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eventually reached seventy seven percent on incomes over one million dollars.

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This was of an effort to not only sell the bonds,

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but to sell the war. So I want to break

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this down because that sounds very financial and technical. But

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the way that I perceive it is that the federal

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government is shutting down private industry and excessively taxing very

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wealthy people. And yes, it funds the war, but it

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also destroys an aristocratic class of people that had existed

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and made their money outside of the federal government in

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private corporations. Baruch during the war had a system of

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interlocking committees and a single controllable outlet for each separate commodity.

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Washington put forth to the demand and industry gives out

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the supply. So you know, in terms of profiteering, you

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just have to look at the facts. In the book,

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Bruchs was working with Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who boasted in

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nineteen twenty he had broken enough laws during the war

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to go to jail for nine hundred years. In June

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nineteen eighteen, there was such a shortage of vital steel

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that the United States steal their net income for nineteen seventeen.

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The previous year was two hundred and twenty four million,

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with dividends of seven dollars and sixty two cents a

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common share. So just to like make that make sense,

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these numbers were not reached again by this company until

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nineteen fifty four. So somebody's making a whole shit ton

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of money. Excuse my language, And I want to also

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point to some other very interesting profiteering and economic machinations

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that are going on for this. So one thing that

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you have to supply in warfare is explosives, a whole

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lot of ordinance, and Baruch was the man for explosives.

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His big thing was nitrates, and nitrates have a dual use.

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You can use them in explosives but you also need

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them for fertilizer. The Ally encountered a situation where most

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nitrate production they were getting was from Chile. German owned

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nitrate facilities in Chile as well as Chile having their

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gold reserves in Germany. So to seize these German owned

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nitrate factories would violate the Trading with the Enemy act

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that they had set, and so what happened was every

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Allied buyer of nitrates just withdrew from the Chilean market

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for three months, and that left Chile with no ability

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to sell their nitrate. The country almost was on the

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verge of starvation. And then the Allies returned to the

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market and bought their nitrates at four and one eighth

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cents a pound, which is just dirt cheap for nitrate.

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A very interesting thing I know that Stormy mentioned the

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DuPont family. Baruch screwed over the DuPont Company and required

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them to turn over all nitrates to the government when

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they had made a previous deal with Chile before this

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strategy was in effect. So the way I kind of

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conceive of this big picture is they're kind of squeezing

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the old aristocracy of all of their money and they're

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federalizing a lot of these different industries. He also did

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the same supply and demand machinations on southern cotton to

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go like and let me go, let me know if

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this gets like way too granular. Stormy also mentioned that

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in America in the nineteenth century, there were these factories

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that would produce perhaps something as small as a niche

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little button, and that industry. Those types of industries were

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totally destroyed in the twentieth century, and I believe that

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this is the root of how they began to get destroyed.

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Within the book, it details that war conservation had reduced styles,

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varieties and colors of clothing, and had standardized sizes of

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machine It had outlawed two hundred and fifty different types

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of plow models, seven hundred and fifty five types of drills,

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two hundred and thirty two different types of buggy wheels,

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nearly six thousand different shapes and sizes of pocket knives

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vantaged from country stores. So what does that mean? That

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means that like, your town pocket knife factory is toast

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because there's a big one near the city that's been

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federalized for the war effort that can produce a standardized

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one at the government's request for the military, and that

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kills a lot of very small industries, but it has

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like a parallel benefit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it doesn't go and it doesn't go out

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of it doesn't close after the war ends.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: This is going.

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Speaker 2: This is something where like most people on the right

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know that Japan really industrial eyed after World War Two,

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they know that the Soviet Union really industrialized, and China

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during the Cultural Revolution kind of failed but did a

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lot of different things to modernize their economy. But this

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is sort of how it happened really within the United

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States as far as the synchronization of both state and

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private industry. Like previously, these were very separate things, but

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through the coordinate coordination of the central government in the

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US and like the war effort, it totally changed the

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economic landscape. So here's an example. In nineteen fourteen, the

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US produced five hundred and ninety one tons of chromite

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into nineteen eighteen, at the end of the war, it

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produced sixty thousand tons. So similar to World War Two,

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we were the only economy that was in this position

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at scale. There was a kind of international austerity that

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gripped the world. France couldn't give up its gold for

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the American cars, and Germany had no gold and few

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raw materials left. So I want to get into briefly

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the Paris Peace Conference and why I think that this

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man did some really evil actions during his lifetime. So

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Bernard Barreuch was named the peace commission at the Paris

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Peace Conference in January nineteen nineteen by executive order. One

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hundred and fifty thousand dollars or two point seven million

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was put at his personal disposal to assemble a staff

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and do what he wished. So he supported Wilson's having

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France seize Germany's coal in the roar. The plan from

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mister Beru was to and this in these proceedings he

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was considered the voice of reason, if you can believe this.

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The plan was to let Germany build up enough industry

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to just be bled further financially, as Pete's mentioned on

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previous streams. But to the audience's knowledge, the average German

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citizen at this time was consuming just eight or nine

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hundred calories a day. That's starvation level. American soldiers were

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eating steaks, and British soldiers at the time threatened to

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open mutiny they were seeing children wandering around the streets starving.

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Baruch continued the blockade along with other people in Wilson's administration.

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When Herbert Hoover did account as president looking back on it,

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he assessed that three and a half million German children

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were of subnormal physical stature due to malnutrition due to

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this blockade. Baruch was also in favor of an army

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of occupation of the Allies remaining for twenty five years

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in Germany and the Ruer as well, just completely devastating Germany.

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And that I do think is an evil act.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but the question it always comes back to,

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you know, my favorite question of why.

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Speaker 2: Well, uh, I believe it was too personally financially enrich

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Baruch and a lot of other Jews and a lot

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of other wealthy and powerful people in Europe and the

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United States.

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Speaker 1: Is that just by basically stealing all of their all

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of their natural resources. I know that Italy and the

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Czech Republic or Czechoslovakia at the time had control of

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southern parts of Prussia. You know, obviously Poland had parts

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of parts of Prussia, and uh, is that just basically

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while you're starving these people, you're fleecing and taking taking

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their forests and forest deforestation, things like that.

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Speaker 2: Totally, and they would do stuff like withhold the sale

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of nitrates like I mentioned very you know, briefly earlier.

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Uh So, on the one hand, they're getting carved up

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and they're not able. Germany isn't able to produce materials

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and let's say they can bring a car to market somehow,

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they are now dealing with an American industry which has

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spent the last four years standardizing and making the cheapest

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possible and highest quality car and there's just no way

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on the macro scale that you can compete with that.

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It stuns me that nobody at the Paris Peace Conference

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really was able to kind of see the long term

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implications of this. And a few people were, but generally, like,

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I mean, it's interesting because like the centralization of stuff

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with the economy is Bruce's similar playbook in World War Two,

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which is fascinating. I mean, it's just a very similar

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thing he you know, you have to understand also, and

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this is speculation. You know, the man's parents were driven

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out of Prussia one generation prior for some reason that

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we don't know, and that he was in somewhere in

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the lineage there was an eighteen forty eight er type

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communist mindset, and that you know, he was a Democrat

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and a lot of people he was hanging around Harry Hopkins,

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very left leaning people, And I think there is a

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general trend of resentment against Germany. I mean, in the book,

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it really describes it more in the thirties and forties.

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But you know, it's very strange that he writes about

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an eighteen ninety going to Prussia and disliking what he

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sees with Prussian people. So I can't I think you

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have to take a man holistically, and I think that

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you know, there's all these different things that suggest he

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had a real personal animosity towards Germany.

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Speaker 1: That seems to be a pattern, especially when you know,

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when you see certain people within our government so intense

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00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,200
on destroying Russia.

480
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:40,079
Speaker 2: I don't agree with that.

481
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:46,559
Speaker 1: So let's go We're at Paris Peace conce Paris Peace Conference,

482
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,480
quote unquote, and we're moving forward with mister.

483
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,359
Speaker 2: Bib absolutely, So we are going to look a little

484
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,240
bit at the twenties and then the thirties and then

485
00:33:55,279 --> 00:34:00,920
World War Two. There is let's let me just go

486
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:07,799
crack open the book here real quick too. Baruch came

487
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,079
under attack in the Dearborn Independent, that's Henry Ford's newspaper,

488
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,920
in a exposition exactly like I don't know, like five

489
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,840
years ago, I wouldn't have thought this, but now I'm

490
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,480
looking at the just man based so the scope of

491
00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:29,000
Jewish dictatorship in the United States, the details of which

492
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:36,639
have already been described. He wrote a friend that the

493
00:34:36,679 --> 00:34:43,480
outstanding man himself must expect attack and jealousy. Uh anti

494
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:49,760
Semitic bigotry restricted his activity in the Democratic Party. You know,

495
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,079
but of course we know that he's doing all of

496
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:54,360
his business dealings with Jews, and he's making all of

497
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:59,280
his money off of doing these multi multi million dollar

498
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:04,599
deal with the Guggenheims and Josepha's Daniels and he Knew

499
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:09,159
brand Ice and all these others. And you know, they're

500
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:13,880
then coming into these companies around the country and telling

501
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,280
them what they should produce and how much of it

502
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,920
they should produce. And you know, he's not like a

503
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,719
Cincinnatus figure who just walks away at the end of

504
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,199
the war and goes back to private business. No, like

505
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:35,159
he continues onwards politically. In nineteen twenty seven, he begins

506
00:35:35,199 --> 00:35:41,639
to sell off all of his liquid. I don't know money.

507
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,880
I'm not an economist, so I'm probably gonna screw a

508
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,639
lot of this up. He sells most of his stuff

509
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,880
before the Great Depression and profit of profits off of it.

510
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,599
In nineteen twenty nine in February, he points out the

511
00:35:55,679 --> 00:36:00,119
Coolidge and Melon, we're responsible for stimulating public parties, the

512
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,039
patient in the stock market, which he was against. He

513
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:06,239
was concerned over the lowered rates from the Federal Reserve,

514
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,960
and he was in favor of the gold standard. He

515
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,880
had some pretty so and again profits off of the

516
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:20,519
Great Depression. He was very close to Henry Morgenthal. And

517
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:24,639
then of course after the Great Depression, he's advising all

518
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:28,400
these people. He mostly is spending his time working with

519
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:35,679
the farmers on a mass bargaining scale for I think

520
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,199
trying to help out with the dust bowl circumstances that

521
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,119
are going on, but I'm not too clear on the specifics,

522
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,719
getting into, of course, the more relevant political part here.

523
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,960
He was very close friends with FDR, going all the

524
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,880
way back to World War One and continuing through the

525
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,039
nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties. He was also Churchills Winston

526
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,800
Churchill's oldest American friend, so he kind of stays in

527
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,480
the circle the whole time. He very much disliked the

528
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:13,480
brain Trust Committee or organization of group of men of

529
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:16,599
the New Deal. As far as his own political views,

530
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,840
he supported the eight hour workday, and he put the

531
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:25,480
first private money into a public housing project. One of

532
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:30,079
his other opinions, especially of John Mayner Kaynes, he said

533
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,320
of economists that if they knew the rules, they would

534
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,800
not be writing books, they would be making money. I

535
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:43,440
want to transition briefly to World War two here in

536
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,400
the early nineteen thirties, far earlier than people have an

537
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:53,480
idea of. In nineteen thirty two, Baruch starts advocating for

538
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:58,559
the consolidation of rubber and steel stockpiles in the United

539
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:02,559
States because he he has a pretty good idea and

540
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:06,800
anticipation that World War two is going to occur, and

541
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,840
he kind of sets up the nineteen thirties to rearm

542
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:18,360
and bolster the American wartime economy in a very similar

543
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,079
manner to way to how he had conducted himself during

544
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:25,079
World War One. And as you know, I've listened to

545
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,079
your previous dreams. A lot of the United States is

546
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:36,760
very isolationist and even sympathetic perhaps to Germany, and this

547
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,400
was a very unusual view at the time he was.

548
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,400
Let's see, in nineteen thirty eight, he meets with FDR.

549
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,000
He knows, and he tells FDR that Germany has spent

550
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,280
one hundred and five million German marks rearming the country.

551
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,519
He advises FDR that fifty thousand long range bombers be built.

552
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:06,440
He also in the mid and late nineteen thirties is

553
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,480
building munitions factories, and as we learned in your earlier

554
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:16,840
podcast and streams, these were producing non American ammunition and

555
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,559
even more interesting, in nineteen thirty eight and nineteen thirty nine,

556
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:26,880
he's urging Harry Hopkins to take the secretaryship of War,

557
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:32,360
and Harry Hopkins did the lend lease arrangement. So that's

558
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:39,880
sort of the administrative element here behind Harry Hopkins and

559
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,760
the rearmament and the munitions. And you also have to

560
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,039
consider that he's again similar theme, he's profiteering off of

561
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:49,679
all of this. He's making a whole lot of money

562
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,599
doing this because he knows from his career all the

563
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:58,519
commodity prices and all the productions that go into wartime

564
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,639
He suggested total embargo economically of Japan in the ear

565
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,679
in the early nineteen forties, late nineteen thirties. He believes

566
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,239
that nothing should be sold to the enemy, that there

567
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,079
should be no assistance given to any other nation except

568
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:23,840
the United States. He was very close friends with George Marshall,

569
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:28,920
and this is something I didn't know. Most rationing in

570
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,079
World War Two, the rubber rationing, the Victory gardens, the bonds,

571
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:39,440
that was all done at Baruch's request, and he was

572
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,880
very frustrated with anything going on in the economy that

573
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,920
wasn't orient and towards wartime production. His daughter bought an

574
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,199
airplane in nineteen forty and he was evidently tremendously upset

575
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,199
about this. And he was also very opposed to the

576
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:01,079
efforts of a certain James Forrestall, who I would love

577
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:02,960
to do a stream on because I think he's a hero,

578
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,320
and there's very interesting facts about him as well, very

579
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,079
positive facts, unlike the negative facts of mister Baruch. Do

580
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:17,679
that to kind of sum up here, he was a

581
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,880
troubleshooter in a sense. The word troubleshooter was kind of

582
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,679
used to describe him because he would come into these

583
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,079
big bureaucracies where you'd have a corporation with a lot

584
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:32,679
of power and industry and he would use the leverage

585
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,679
of the federal government to kind of squeeze them for everything.

586
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,639
And he was known throughout his career as going industry

587
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:46,320
to industry and just basically bending them over, and is

588
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,280
responsible for a lot of the change in the federalization

589
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:56,639
of the economy. I did some outside research on mister Baruch,

590
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,360
separate from the main hagiography was written about him during

591
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,920
his lifetime. I read a little bit of the section

592
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:07,800
from Tragedy and Hope on him, and there's another great

593
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:13,760
book called The Fabian Freeway. The Fabian Freeway quote is

594
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:20,079
that the phrase Colonel House is the man behind Wilson

595
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,400
or has his hands in everything that was attributed to

596
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,320
Bernard Baruch and in Tragedy and Hope. Bernard Baruch has

597
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,639
mentioned in relation to his nineteen forty six efforts to

598
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,880
present a plan to the United Nations to set up

599
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:39,159
an international control body for nuclear energy, he advocated for

600
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:45,679
international inspection both Soviet and American so that the American

601
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:51,440
stockpile of nuclear bombs would be dismantled after the war,

602
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,159
and that they would all be placed in the hands

603
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:59,159
of this magical agency. He was also back in World

604
00:42:59,199 --> 00:43:01,480
War One very favor of the League of Nations, the

605
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,360
one world governance model, the Baruch Plan in nineteen forty

606
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,519
six was rejected by the Soviet Union, and like many

607
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:16,679
many other figures that were prominent in FDR's term, he

608
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,199
fell out of favor with Truman, and I think from

609
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:25,079
reading other people's lives, especially the life of James forrestall

610
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,320
pretty much everyone got on Truman's bad side eventually, and

611
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:35,360
after that, after the late nineteen forties, he kind of

612
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,159
semi retired. He would hang around in a place called

613
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,559
Hyde Park where he'd sit on a bench. He was

614
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:44,440
a very powerful connected man with a lot of money,

615
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:51,360
and he generally just moved back to his estate. The

616
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,320
book was written when he was about eighty years old.

617
00:43:56,519 --> 00:44:01,559
It's absolutely glowing and how it discribes the man. So

618
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,639
a lot of the coverage that I got was biased,

619
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:06,280
and I think we'll never know exactly how much he

620
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,920
profiteered off of what he was doing. However, he dies

621
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:17,239
in nineteen sixty five, and like many many other people,

622
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:22,599
he is forgotten about to history. We know the names

623
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:28,360
of people like MacArthur and Eisenhower, Hitler and Churchill. But

624
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:31,920
there were a lot of these other figures that, perhaps

625
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:37,559
on purpose or perhaps accidentally, we no longer know about.

626
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:42,039
So that kind of concludes the life of Bernard Bruch.

627
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:48,679
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to ask a question until you

628
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,239
got to the end and you started talking about like

629
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,920
League of Nations things like that. I was going to

630
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,440
ask what was his what you would say his ideology was?

631
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:07,119
Did he have an ideology? It's so, I mean, there's

632
00:45:07,159 --> 00:45:10,519
some free there's some free market in there. It seems

633
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:15,920
like he was probably a gold standard guy. Also, you know,

634
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:21,920
the but saying oh, the United States, no one should

635
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,599
have nuclear weapons except this one. You know, global organization

636
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,039
is kind of insane.

637
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 2: It's I guess. So I am working from a biased biography.

638
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: But but some of those are the best, because sometimes

639
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:42,920
the best biographies are biased because they're bragging about what

640
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,880
they do in them mm hmm. People brag about what

641
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,119
they do and it's like and they present it as

642
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:51,679
a good thing, and then you're just like, well, wait

643
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:56,679
a minute, no, no, I don't think this is a

644
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:57,320
good thing at all.

645
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: So I get the sense that he was really more

646
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,800
of a numbers man than anything else. The book never

647
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,360
paints him as like a orthodox New dealer. I mean,

648
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,719
he's in the inner circle and he has a lot

649
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,880
of sway and he's very close to FDR because Eleanor

650
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:25,440
Roosevelt likes him and he just for the gold standard.

651
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,880
So he's described in economic terms in the book as conservative.

652
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,239
But he was a staunch the whole time. He was

653
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,400
a staunch member of the Democratic Party. He knew every

654
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:48,400
major player. He would work very diligently on appointments. He

655
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:52,719
didn't really have any moral scruples about working with guys

656
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,679
like Harry Hopkins or Colonel House. So it seems like

657
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,119
the cdier elements the Democratic Party didn't really phase him.

658
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:09,320
I think he you know that there wasn't. I'm alsto

659
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,400
not seeing like a particular ethnic love from him, Like

660
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,360
when he's when he's at the Paris Peace Conference, there's

661
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,960
a part where Jews come up and there's like this

662
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:23,280
bickering between like for whatever reason, there's a Jewish sort

663
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:25,760
of delegation there, or a Jewish question that has to

664
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,320
be settled in Poland, and he's not really on the

665
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:36,119
side of the Jews in Poland. He kind of asserts

666
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:41,559
that they need to just become poles. Singularly, no hyphenates

667
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,800
as that that was That's an interesting term at the time,

668
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:54,679
hyphenates for people. So it seems as though he worked

669
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,519
with a lot of Jews. He's certainly benefited from their power.

670
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:04,000
He was a strident, so they're in a Democrat. And

671
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,519
I think also primarily there was this weird streak of

672
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:13,719
like because he was doing so much for the US economy,

673
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,800
and he was changing so many things and federalizing so

674
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,000
many things. I really did think he I don't know

675
00:48:20,039 --> 00:48:22,119
if nationalist is the word, but he was in favor

676
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:25,559
of a strong America, America that would win in warfare.

677
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:29,199
That was kind of his single minded effort. And I

678
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,880
also think as terms of ideology, this didn't really stop

679
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,400
his freedom of association. He had to meet with all

680
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,400
kinds of people in politics and members of various businesses

681
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:46,199
and corporations. And I'm not seeing anything in the book

682
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:54,639
that really paints him as like ideologically attached to, you know,

683
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,599
the Democrats, beyond like the power politics of it. I

684
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:05,400
don't see that he's, you know, this this flaming communist

685
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:09,960
or anything. But I mean, he he worked with a

686
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,119
lot of communists, and he helped out Harry Hopkins, and

687
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:17,119
he is directly responsible for Communists and the New Dealers

688
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,039
and everything else gaining a huge amount of ground in

689
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:19,559
this country.

690
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:30,639
Speaker 1: Hmm. Was there any evidence that he, like what was

691
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:34,760
his opinion on the founding of Israel and Israel from

692
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,000
nineteen forty eight forward? Did you see anything?

693
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 2: Mmm? Let me see. He'll just give me one moment too.

694
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:54,280
Actually it might be another question. Me see here, yeah, m.

695
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: So I wonder yeah, God, yeah.

696
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 2: Sorry, let me just let me just look to the

697
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,599
index here. I'm not seeing him as present, so I'm

698
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:09,440
actually looking at my forest All notes because Forestall was

699
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,119
in the cabinet in May of nineteen forty eight and

700
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:16,800
like took notes on everything. So Bruch wasn't there.

701
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: Let me see he because like later in life, like

702
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:26,079
even Henry Morgenthau became like a financial advisor to Israel.

703
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,320
And you know, there were a lot of people who

704
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,440
just even though Morgan Thhou died in the United States,

705
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:39,920
he immediately a lot of people. I found it like good, I.

706
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: Found Sorry again, there's like so many streams of research

707
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:48,079
for this, Okay. February third, nineteen forty eight, Secretary of

708
00:50:48,119 --> 00:50:51,760
Defense James Forrestall goes to lunch with Bernard Baruch. I'm

709
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,199
reading this from the forest All Diaries. From Bernard Baruch quote.

710
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,199
He took the line of advising me not to be

711
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,880
active in this particular matter, that is on Zionism, and

712
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,960
Forestall was against the creation of the state of Israel.

713
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:10,599
So Baruch is basically telling him stop worrying about it,

714
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:15,639
and that I Forestall was already identified to agree that

715
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:19,559
this was not in my own interests with opposition to

716
00:51:19,639 --> 00:51:24,719
the United Nations policy on Palestine, Baruch, I'm just going

717
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:28,159
to insert it here. Baruch said he himself did not

718
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,480
approve of the Zionist's actions, but in the next breath

719
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,360
said that the Democratic Party could only lose by trying

720
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,000
to get our government's policy reversed, and said that it

721
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,159
was a most inequitable thing to let the British arm

722
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,000
the Arabs and for us not to furnish similar equipment

723
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:52,360
to the Jews. So I can kind of clarify that statement,

724
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:58,360
if that makes sense. So in nineteen forty eight, there's

725
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:03,800
the Truman Duil election and both are trying to win

726
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,039
over the support of very powerful Jews within the party,

727
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:14,760
and Baruch knows that any major member of Truman's cabinet

728
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:24,280
standing against the creation of Israel might compromise the Democratic

729
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:30,519
parties political chances in the upcoming election by trying to

730
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:35,199
change the policy which was like kind of broadly pro Israel.

731
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:42,440
And he was also in favor of arming the Israelis

732
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,360
as well. Baruch was because of course, I mean, and

733
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,159
you have to just connect it to his career, like

734
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,000
the guy made his money by arming people.

735
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking that, It's like, it's like he

736
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,960
doesn't necessarily have to ideologically agree with the found that

737
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:02,800
of the State of Israel. But I mean, this is

738
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:07,239
there's a guy who made money during war. Sure, arming

739
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,840
them is profitable.

740
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: And you also have to consider that in nineteen forty eight,

741
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:20,719
like the Ilgun, the Haganah, these organizations that were operating

742
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:25,239
in Israel, they were terrorists. They were killing a whole

743
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:32,320
lot of Brits. And that's a huge problem because I mean,

744
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,880
the American people are perceiving, you know, there's not like

745
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:41,320
this Schofield Bible weird Apak style warship of Jews in

746
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,679
nineteen forty eight. In the US, people are looking at

747
00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:50,119
this and saying like these people are terrorists. And I

748
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:53,960
think Baruk is really only concerned with that time about

749
00:53:54,119 --> 00:53:58,880
the political fortunes of the Democratic Party. I mean, I

750
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,079
think that really is his prime, very concerned throughout his

751
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:05,039
career because that is his ability to have access to

752
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,760
power is through that party and through those types.

753
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, the uh what was I think in Yeah, it's

754
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:22,199
when you take into consideration polls that were done in

755
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,559
the late nineteen thirties about you know what Americans, what

756
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:32,239
heritage Americans, what their opinions were of Jews. It wasn't good.

757
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:35,639
It was I think seventy seventy percent, as high as

758
00:54:35,639 --> 00:54:41,039
eighty percent. It didn't trust them. So, yeah, what changes?

759
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:43,159
What changed? You know, what's going to change in the

760
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:46,079
matter of ten years. A lot can change in the

761
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:51,159
matter of ten years, but not much. Not the not

762
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,519
the the public's opinion full opinion of a group that

763
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:59,519
they consider to be outsiders.

764
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: Totally and through the biography. Right, He's not going around

765
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,599
the world presenting himself as a Jewish guy. He's presenting

766
00:55:05,679 --> 00:55:09,320
himself as a Southern Democrat, like that is his persona,

767
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,239
as it's described in the book. The woman who wrote

768
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,079
his biography. Previously wrote a book about John Calhoun, a

769
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:21,199
very positive book.

770
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: That I'd be interested in reading, because I think when

771
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,440
we were talking, when we were talking on the phone

772
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,079
the other day, I said that I think Calhoun is

773
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:32,559
the greatest political thinker in American history. And I've read

774
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,639
his Disquisition on Government, the whole thing on my podcasts.

775
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,079
He's just a great, a great thinker. And you know,

776
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:42,079
one of those guys was like, we can't have do

777
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:45,960
this Mexican We can't do this Mexican American War in

778
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:51,159
the eighteen forties because Mexicans are gonna end up coming

779
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:52,960
here and they're not like us.

780
00:55:54,679 --> 00:55:59,159
Speaker 2: You know, That's that's very astute considering like the way

781
00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:04,119
people understood the US involvement in Mexico. Like that's really

782
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:08,159
far thinking. That's interesting stuff. I haven't I haven't really

783
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:09,599
read anything about John Calhoun.

784
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, if you read his Disquisition on Government, it's

785
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:17,159
one hundred pages. I mean, it's just it's great. Another

786
00:56:17,159 --> 00:56:19,360
thing I think that's very interesting about Baruk is when

787
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,679
you look when you look at pictures of him, he

788
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,880
does present as a Southern Democrat. Oh totally suits. The

789
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,960
way he wears his hair, everything, even the manner he

790
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,880
takes pictures, the way he takes pictures.

791
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you gotta like this is this is

792
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,000
kind of like there's a thing in Judaism where like

793
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,760
like the more white you look, the more you can

794
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:46,000
kind of blend. The guy was six foot, blue eyes,

795
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:53,480
wasp looking, you know, came from like a wealthy South

796
00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:57,000
Carolina family. I mean outside of the last name and

797
00:56:57,159 --> 00:57:01,159
going to city college. Like, there's really not much about

798
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,719
him that would give him away. And you know, throughout

799
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,079
his life he never really draws attention to his Judaism

800
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:11,280
at all. I never in the whole like nine hundred

801
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,880
page book, I never read about him going to synagogue.

802
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:19,840
I think, let me see here, I think he yeah,

803
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:26,400
he married an Episcopalian. You know, the family was raised,

804
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:30,039
their children were raised Episcopalian. Like, I don't think he

805
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:33,840
ever the Judaism thing didn't really matter much for him.

806
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,480
Besides like business connections. He also owned a gigantic, seventeen

807
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:43,400
thousand acre plantation in South Carolina that had Negro quarters

808
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,719
on it, and so you know it made like a

809
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,760
huge effort to help with the Southern heritage and the

810
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,800
history there, and you know, it's not like some defense

811
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,880
of the man. But you know, when you read these

812
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,440
like huge biographies about people like you know, it's it's

813
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:05,159
it's not black and white, good or evil, like you know,

814
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,239
schemer or not. But he definitely did a lot of

815
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,440
He did a lot of bad stuff, for sure.

816
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,719
Speaker 1: What I'm reminded of when you mentioned City College of

817
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:24,719
New York, the libertarian thinker Murray Rothbard. He used to

818
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:28,320
he used to jokingly refer to that because it was

819
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,000
the only school that one of the only colleges Jews

820
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,159
could get into. He would call it circumcised Citizens of

821
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:34,599
New York.

822
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 2: It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Oh man, oh man,

823
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,199
that's funny. Yeah, yeah, no, definitely, I mean it is

824
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:49,400
like the big thing. It's like NYU kind of.

825
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just crazy when you start looking at

826
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:58,599
like his you know, in the Klan, you know, a

827
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:03,360
slave owner, plantation owner. I mean, it's just yeah, it's wild,

828
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,239
wild stuff. I mean, and you know, the he was

829
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:12,679
a US representative to the United States Atomic Energy Commission,

830
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:17,519
you know, through the is just amazing, just amazing the

831
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:22,199
things he was able to. You know, it's I refer

832
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,559
to people like him as like they're like Forrest Gump.

833
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,840
They show up every you know how he would always

834
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,119
show up at everything, any kind of popular thing that like, yeah,

835
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:34,840
if you if you look at anything from like the

836
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,760
first half of the twentieth century, there Bernard Bruf is there.

837
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's kind of incredible, and I think

838
00:59:42,519 --> 00:59:46,719
I'm a lot of it's again speculation, but he was

839
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,239
close with Colonel House for like eight years straight. And

840
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,599
Colonel House had this very interesting style of going about

841
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:57,960
his network, which was kind of he was totally unavailable

842
00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:00,639
except people had to come to a house, and in

843
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:03,920
his house he had this whole network of telephone lines

844
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,000
that would connect to the Army and connect to the Navy,

845
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:09,360
and you could very directly access all these different politicians

846
01:00:09,719 --> 01:00:11,639
in a time when you had to have like a

847
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,599
like a phone operator, right, so you had to have

848
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:17,599
a room with a switchboard somewhere that people would route

849
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,360
your phone calls through. He kind of made his house

850
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,519
into a node and also made himself very exclusive and

851
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:26,880
hard to contact, and so he was like the central

852
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:31,119
point of connection for all of these people. And if

853
01:00:31,159 --> 01:00:33,880
mister Baruf was working with him and knew him personally,

854
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,920
for all this time, and most of the quotes and information,

855
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:41,320
the famous ones about Colonel House we know from Baruch

856
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,000
of all people, that suggests he picked up a lot

857
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:50,239
of his methods. And you know he you know, all

858
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,519
the all the I don't know if you want to

859
01:00:52,519 --> 01:00:56,440
call him anti Semitic, but like he was accused of

860
01:00:56,519 --> 01:01:03,079
profiteering off the war she did. He was accused of

861
01:01:03,199 --> 01:01:06,960
consolidating industry and putting all these companies out of business

862
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:12,480
and monopoly, and he did, and he was written about

863
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:16,360
by the Dearborn Independent. And you know it's like every

864
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:20,800
allegation they throw at him, it's kind of true. And

865
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,440
you know, as far as having a network of people

866
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:28,159
and knowing all the like most powerful people in the

867
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:33,239
early twentieth century, Jewish or not, you know, he's this

868
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,199
point of connection. He's facilitating all these things, and you

869
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:41,320
know he's getting these crazy rates on everything around him.

870
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,119
I mean again, to bring up that example, forty five

871
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,119
million pounds of cotton for half of a copper excuse me,

872
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:53,320
during wartime for half the market price from another Jewish person.

873
01:01:53,480 --> 01:02:00,039
Like would that deal ever exist in normal circumstances? I

874
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:05,960
doubt it. And it also put a huge amount of

875
01:02:06,039 --> 01:02:10,639
independent businesses, smaller businesses out of commission and kind of

876
01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:14,039
left him and his friends in charge the American economy.

877
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,199
You know, you have the Federal Reserve, which most people

878
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,679
know that most people that are libertarians have probably read

879
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:25,039
Secrets of the Temple or the Creature of Jackoliland. And yes,

880
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:28,559
the finance stuff is fascinating, but you have to look

881
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:31,480
at the logistics and the materials, the physical items that

882
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:36,199
were being produced and how they came about. And you know,

883
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,840
the man not only had these powers during both world Wars,

884
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,360
but he had it for the entire nineteen twenties and

885
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:46,800
nineteen thirties through something like four other presidents. Harding, he

886
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:51,800
was close with him, Calvin Coolidge, close with him, close

887
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:56,960
with Herbert Hoover, and close with FDR the whole time.

888
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:01,320
So no one else, no other figure throughout that time

889
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:05,000
period had that much power and connection to the presidents

890
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:10,360
of the United States, no one. And it's very interesting

891
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,679
that this man is just kind of there and making

892
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:19,559
money the whole time. And yeah, I think that to

893
01:03:19,639 --> 01:03:21,400
get to go back to your earlier point, very briefly,

894
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,199
I think that's why he's not some kind of hardline ideologue.

895
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:29,719
There's a certain pragmatism where you're meeting all of these

896
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,079
people and you're interacting with all these different top figures,

897
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:38,559
and you kind of have to be almost sociopathically apolitical

898
01:03:39,079 --> 01:03:41,880
in order to get what you want done, right, And

899
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:48,400
his really his only interest was ordinance and rearmament and

900
01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:53,039
federal control over corporations and supply and demand.

901
01:03:56,719 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: Wow, well, I appreciate this. Thank you. Going to do

902
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,760
anything for your YouTube channel yet? Ever?

903
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I have to have I have a whole

904
01:04:05,519 --> 01:04:08,599
bunch of books back here and I have to put

905
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:09,519
out some more content.

906
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 1: Yes, maybe don't put out if you're going to put

907
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:17,559
it on YouTube. Some of those books you may not

908
01:04:17,639 --> 01:04:21,679
want to cover on YouTube. It's not it's not it's

909
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:23,239
not smart to cover those on YouTube.

910
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good to know. Hopefully in the Trump if

911
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,400
I'm made a few final points, I hope in the

912
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:35,519
Trump administration censorship is not as bad and that content

913
01:04:35,559 --> 01:04:37,920
creators can just kind of speak more freely. It is

914
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,760
critical and I think also one thing I forgot to

915
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:43,519
mention at the very start of the stream is that

916
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:47,480
if you look at the incoming Trump administration, it's not

917
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:50,039
just the people that are going to be saying the

918
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:53,440
party line and having the right opinion. It's going to

919
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:57,280
be the people that have the administrative strength and the

920
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,679
ability to muster and marshall with just sticks and power

921
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:07,079
into onshore manufacturing and to produce stuff in this country

922
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:11,960
for this country. And I mean, maybe not a man

923
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:17,519
like Baruch, but you know the way that he went

924
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:22,119
about consolidating American industry and getting everyone to sing to

925
01:05:22,159 --> 01:05:25,320
the same tune. I think the Trump administration would benefit

926
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:29,320
tremendously from having someone who can sit down every company

927
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:35,360
in the country and just make stuff happen, make manufacturing happen,

928
01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:40,039
make standardization happen, and restore the American economy.

929
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 1: Well that is yet to be seen. And of course

930
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,159
black pilling over it now when you know nothing's been

931
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:58,440
done is foolish and literally retarded. So we're in a

932
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,679
wait and see mode now. And uh yeah, I mean

933
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:05,880
everybody's picking apart every little thing that he says or

934
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:13,400
any anything his uh his appointees say, so yeah, it's

935
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,400
just annoying. I try to spend his little time on

936
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:21,440
Twitter now unless I'm trying to bait congressmen into admitting

937
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,119
that they're traders to traders of the United States.

938
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, unbelievable, that guy, what are they paying him? I'm

939
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:33,519
so curious what they could possibly be paying him that

940
01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:34,239
much in money?

941
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,719
Speaker 1: Did you see did you? Yeah? One point one point

942
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:45,440
one million for like Nebraska congressman. That makes no sense whatsoever.

943
01:06:46,119 --> 01:06:48,239
Speaker 2: The only thing I could think of is some kind

944
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:54,119
of defense contract that's like totally not publicly known. But

945
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,880
there's no reason, like, you know, he's uh looking into him.

946
01:06:59,199 --> 01:07:04,079
He had kind of, you know, support for the uh,

947
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:06,960
you know, the October seventh whatever ploc remlation. They you

948
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,760
know a lot of these like lip service moves that

949
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:14,440
they do in Congress anytime Israel does anything. But there's

950
01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:20,079
just like it's uh, yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't believe

951
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what he said to you. It was unreal for sitting

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US congressman.

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Speaker 1: I think Stormy made a really good point. He said,

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if you go from being a brigadier general to a congressman,

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that's like the biggest emotion in the world. What the

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hell are you doing in Congress? Generals have their own

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fiefdoms in the military. Why are you in Congress?

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Speaker 2: I would presume it would be for the money, but uh.

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Speaker 1: But there's you can make much more.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Hey, maybe not. Maybe some people can't

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and themselves outside at Congress. Maybe they're not capable outside

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of that organization.

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Speaker 1: You would think a brigadier general can just be appointed

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to the board of like, you know, twenty different military

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contractors or something like that. I don't know. I find it.

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I find it odd, And I also find it odd

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that he's fighting with people on Twitter. Yeah, if it's him,

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If it's him.

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Speaker 2: A general is more of a staff position in the

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sense that I mean, not all of them, right, Obviously

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there are generals that you know, I agree with Stormy,

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they say something, stuff happens. But you also have to

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consider that something like the Navy has more admirals than ships,

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and that there's a lot of it. It's a lot

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of It's just kind of an upgraded kernel in a sense.

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As far as the administrative bloat goes. You know that

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the managerial aspect of like a general now is something

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very different. Not all again, not all of them. There

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are war fighters out there, but uh there there there

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are there are men like this man out there as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I gotta get going, thank you. And until

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the next time when I think we just may have

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to cover.

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Speaker 2: Mister Forrest all absolutely a true hero, unlike mister Bruce.

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Speaker 1: All Right man, have a good night, you two.

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Speaker 2: Take care. Pete H.