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<v Speaker 1>In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with Rapman,

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<v Speaker 1>the genius behind Netflix's number one show supercel end Amanda

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<v Speaker 1>Bias joins me again as we talk this crazy documentary

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<v Speaker 1>that we watched called Tickled.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go. Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon

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<v Speaker 2>from iHeartRadio, your pop culture news, views, reviews and celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>interviews on all the movies, TV, music, and pop culture

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<v Speaker 2>u Crabe Weekly. Here's Kyle McMahon.

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<v Speaker 1>Nan Na, Hello, Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon.

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<v Speaker 1>I of course am Kyle McMahon, and I thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for once again joining me for another episode

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<v Speaker 1>of pop Culture Weekly on the rotating panel of guests hosts.

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't rotate very far this week because Amanda Bias's bag.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Kyle, Hey, So how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you good? How was your first episode?

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<v Speaker 3>It was good?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was great, Jeff fun, Yeah good.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved having you and you're gonna come on a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more often, so that's great. In fact, here we

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<v Speaker 1>are a week later. Right now, let's get in. There's

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<v Speaker 1>so much good stuff that we got to get into.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into it right now. We're gonna start off

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<v Speaker 1>with what's out this week? So what's out this week?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an idiot? And last week we talked all about Twisters.

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<v Speaker 1>We did, and it did not come out last week.

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<v Speaker 1>It comes out this week.

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<v Speaker 3>We're ahead of the game, so I think about it

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<v Speaker 3>that way. We were being proactive exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That is very true. It's horrible that, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>have this pop culture show and don't know when things

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<v Speaker 1>come out. So, but Twisters is out this week?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it really?

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<v Speaker 2>Which are you going to see it this weekend or

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<v Speaker 2>now you're going to see Long Legs? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>I do want I see Long Legs this weekend. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think that I can do a double trip to

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<v Speaker 3>the movie, okay Twisters, because I feel like Twisters is

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<v Speaker 3>nostalgic for me. Yeah, so I want to see what

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<v Speaker 3>is new?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah this time and better effects and like, yeah, it's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So yes, I'm probably gonna be seeing that this week

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<v Speaker 1>and as well, and uh, Twisters the soundtrack is out too.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it is?

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<v Speaker 3>I listened to Luke Combe's his single yeah Ain't No

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<v Speaker 3>Love in Oklahoma? Yes, I listened to that on the

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<v Speaker 3>way here banger.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is?

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<v Speaker 1>I you and I were talking about this before the show.

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<v Speaker 1>We've never been giant country fans, never, but I'm starting

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<v Speaker 1>it's starting to rub off on me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's going on. I feel like ever

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<v Speaker 3>since I started working here and listening to it kind

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<v Speaker 3>of on repeat, it's just doing something to me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't do before, And I'm saying to myself, this

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<v Speaker 3>actually isn't that bad. Why was I such a hater?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm the same way. I mean, there's some awesome

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<v Speaker 1>so I love Billy Zimmerman. I love Billy zimmer Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>his voice is so good, his music's great. He's on

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<v Speaker 1>there with Heller high Water, Kane Brown, who I love.

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler Childers has this song called song while You're Away

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<v Speaker 1>on the soundtrack that's so good. Benson Boone I love

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<v Speaker 1>him and he's not even country, but I'm glad that

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<v Speaker 1>he's on there.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there's this song called Boots Don't with Shanaia Twain

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<v Speaker 2>and Breeland. It is so good.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of a Shannaia Twain song. And who

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't love Shania Twain. She's looking at me like me,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who that is?

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<v Speaker 2>What?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>I got your like seven you exaggerate.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm six.

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<v Speaker 1>Shanaya is uh hold on and let's go girls, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going tonight. I'm feeling no all right, Uh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're still.

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<v Speaker 2>The one around too, the one that I be long.

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<v Speaker 4>You know know that song?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that don't impress me much. Oh oh oh, so

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<v Speaker 2>you got the brains, but have you got no man?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel lack a woman nearer.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels familiar.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well her songs were out in like two thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>You weren't even born.

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<v Speaker 3>I was born. I was born in the year two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot believe you've never this is a national crime,

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<v Speaker 1>even though she's Canadian.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to know the song.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I know that song?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's man, I feel like a woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've heard that song before. It was like in

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of two thousands movies back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, so Shanai, it sounds like a Shanaia got my

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<v Speaker 1>boots Don't sounds like a Shania Twain song. Okay, which

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<v Speaker 3>She's on it.

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<v Speaker 1>That was dumb, but anyway, uh yeah, so that's what's

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<v Speaker 1>out this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Not a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there's a movie called Oddity Too that's out this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Which did you see the trailer for that?

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<v Speaker 2>No, of course not.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, I'm gonna leave. I feel attacked all

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<v Speaker 1>It is like something with the occult and a psychic

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<v Speaker 1>see that too. That's it for what's out this week.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean there's some stuff on streaming. Uh, Simon

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so she there's a documentary about her on called

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<v Speaker 1>Season one, which looks really good. That's on Apple TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus Cobra kai season six on Netflix, which I do know.

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<v Speaker 3>Cobra kaik I do know that, and you've seen I've

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<v Speaker 3>never seen it, but I know it's I've seen I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen the Karate Kid movies, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>it's based, which it's like a sequel, now, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm kidding. I do I have seen those movies?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, Yeah, Cobra Kaie season six drops but anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of shure, Yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Next up is what we consumed this week, which most

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<v Speaker 1>of what I'm gonna say is gonna be saved for

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<v Speaker 1>the feature presentation because the big the thing that has

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<v Speaker 1>rocked my world that I consume this week is the

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<v Speaker 1>documentary Tickled and Then, which I immediately texted you and

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I need to talk about this. We need

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<v Speaker 1>to do a whole episode on it. You need to

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<v Speaker 1>watch this, and you watch it that day, right, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I put it on.

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<v Speaker 1>So and now you're like me so in that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna talk about that and what we consume

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<v Speaker 1>this week. But I did see Long Legs.

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<v Speaker 2>Which we talked about last week, which was really really great.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that's making me excited for when I

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<v Speaker 3>see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so good. And I did not realize until

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<v Speaker 1>afterwards that Nicholas Cage is in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, he's in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't know that as like the Long Villains.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh, I had no idea that it was him.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was on Letterbox and somebody was like,

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholas Cage is amazing, and I'm like, what he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>in that. And then I looked and him, like what.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, so you don't see him in the film.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he's wearing makeup.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so you can't recognize him.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not recognize him at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, and like it's Nicholas Cage. Of course I

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<v Speaker 2>know who it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I did by the voice, like I know that voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's not even Yeah, it's amazing. I loved

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<v Speaker 2>it so much. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I gave it a great obviously log on letterbox.

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<v Speaker 1>But what did you consume this week? Besides tickled?

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<v Speaker 3>I watched Mamaya Oh yeah, the first one, via recommendation

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<v Speaker 3>by my friend. It was my first time watching it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I loved it. Okay, it was pretty nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you like the music?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was music was good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I so, I like Abbas music.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like a big disco or a big band

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<v Speaker 1>that did a lot of disco in I guess, like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I liked them from my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just not my like wedding and romance.

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<v Speaker 3>And all, so normally that wouldn't be my thing either.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not big on Romance. First of all, I went

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<v Speaker 3>in not knowing anything about it. Okay, I didn't even

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't watch no trailer, I didn't read no blurb

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<v Speaker 3>about it. My friend was just like, watch this movie,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, Okay, it's a musical. That's all I knew.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't even know it was a Jukeboppies musical, so

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, And I don't know. I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of liked it. I mean, it wasn't wow to yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was something that I feel like I could

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<v Speaker 3>put on in the background. It's a summer movie, good vibes,

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<v Speaker 3>good feels, and I really did enjoy watching it, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know if I would put it on regularly.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right, you know, I feel like like to actively watch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think this is how it is. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>put it on, but if it was on, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>turn it off. Okay, That's how it is for me.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you know? All right?

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<v Speaker 3>So that was good.

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<v Speaker 2>What about any of your reality shows?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I watched d Fiance as always, I'm watching I'm

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<v Speaker 3>kind of rewatching before the ninety days, so it's just

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of drama that I live off of. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and I just I love it so much.

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<v Speaker 1>And what No, it's just funny that you're like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a lot of drama that I live off of.

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<v Speaker 3>I live off of this stuff. I'm not kidding. I

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<v Speaker 3>follow these people on Instagram, like, I watched videos on

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<v Speaker 3>YouTube about them, and so I I can read the

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<v Speaker 3>comments because I want to know what people are thinking

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<v Speaker 3>during these scenes, these crazy scenes, and I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I need to know. I run to YouTube and I

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<v Speaker 3>type in the exact scene that I'm watching, like at

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<v Speaker 3>the moment, and I just read people's comments. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 3>to myself, I cannot be the only one that thinks

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<v Speaker 3>that this is crazy, and I want to know what

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<v Speaker 3>people are saying about it. So I watched that, and

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<v Speaker 3>then I obviously watched House of the Dragon every single

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<v Speaker 3>was amazing as always, Yeah, episode I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize how terrible, not terrible, but how liked

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<v Speaker 3>and then as an adult you watch it and you're like,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it was.

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<v Speaker 3>The plot was still there. I love I love that storyline.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that movie. I'll probably do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>She said, Yeah, you know, watch it before I go

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<v Speaker 1>see Twisters this weekend. Did you ever watch my I

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<v Speaker 1>Love A Mama's Boy.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen it on Discovery, Yeah, but I haven't watched it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, don't tell me.

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<v Speaker 2>It is so good.

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<v Speaker 3>God, if I start a new series in reality TV,

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<v Speaker 3>I am You're not going to see me for a

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<v Speaker 3>good couple weeks. Like, oh my god. You gotta be

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<v Speaker 2>It is so I don't watch a lot of TV.

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<v Speaker 1>I watch more movies, or I would say, like probably

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<v Speaker 1>seventy percent movies thirty percent, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm thirty percent movie, so many percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I Love A Mama's Boy.

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<v Speaker 1>I was glued to Discovery plus God, yeah, it is dramatic.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Dramatic isn't even the word.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm seated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah too.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so good and I can't wait till you

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<v Speaker 1>watch it so we can talk about it, Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can relate to some of it and some

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I'm like, some of them, the girls, the

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<v Speaker 1>fiances or whatever. The girlfriends are insane, you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>of them the moms are insane. Yeah, some of them.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you guys don't know what a healthy relationship is,

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<v Speaker 1>so like, just shut up. The other ones, I'm like, oh, mom,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like a little bit, you know, a little bit much.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm a mama's boy, not like that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>some of these are really extreme. Clarification, Yeah, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>some of these are very extreme. However, some of them,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, I would totally ask my mom's opinion

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<v Speaker 1>on who I'm going to marry, or you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, or like, the fiance may be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, what do you mean your mom doesn't like me? Bah? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's crazy. You gotta watch it. It's so good. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>wait till you watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>In Ninety Day Fiance, there are a couple of in

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<v Speaker 3>laws that. I just immediately when they come on, I

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<v Speaker 2>Who was the girl?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me I probably know.

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<v Speaker 2>Is her name Nicole? Nicole Okay, a big, big blonde girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Nicole and on, Yes, from Morocco.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And she had a had like a three year old. Yes, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I know who you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so angry she had her child calling him daddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Within like a month, what was.

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<v Speaker 3>Her name, May? Her name was May, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the baby David child and like crazy, she is insane.

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<v Speaker 3>She took her to Morocco. I couldn't believe it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it was an insane story. That was. That's one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most insane storylines. Because they went on ninety Day Fiance.

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<v Speaker 3>They they went on to the next season after when

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<v Speaker 3>they debuted. I don't know if they were on happily

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<v Speaker 3>ever after her. I don't think so, but I could

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<v Speaker 3>be wrong because it's it's hard to keep up. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but but yeah, and she would get mad at him

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<v Speaker 3>for not wanting to like hold her hand out in public,

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<v Speaker 3>and he would, you know, explain to her culture, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we don't do that, we don't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>She would blow off, Yes, but he would also say

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<v Speaker 3>that she was fat yeah, and unhealthy, yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 3>would just degrade her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was too much of a cultural thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they even taking the cultural thing out. She's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely psycho. Yeah, like.

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<v Speaker 1>None of any of what you showed was a healthy

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<v Speaker 1>relationship nothing, you know. And if if that, if I

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<v Speaker 1>was that child's son or I'm sorry, that child's father,

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<v Speaker 1>would I would take him to court, take her to court,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'd be like, I would get a court order

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<v Speaker 1>that she is not allowed to introduce my child to

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<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend or whatever until whatever a year or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're not gonna mess up my child's head because

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<v Speaker 1>you're nuts, you know what I mean. Haven't calling him

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<v Speaker 1>daddy that you He hadn't even ever met her. It

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<v Speaker 1>was through FaceTime or whatever, Like her mom.

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<v Speaker 3>Was trying to talk sense to her, and she would

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<v Speaker 3>always say no, no, I love A loves me. We're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna clearly didn't work out. Yeah, but oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>I know that was just terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really was.

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<v Speaker 1>It made me so angry that I literally I think

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<v Speaker 1>I went to look for on Instagram and like I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna like just blast her.

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<v Speaker 3>I follow hersta she's like a she like does twitch

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<v Speaker 3>like twitch streams. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was literally.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to blast her, and then I'm like, wait a second,

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<v Speaker 1>this was like four years ago, and watching it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Still relevant kind of. I mean I think that if

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<v Speaker 3>it's on the streaming service, it's still relevant.

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<v Speaker 2>True, that's very true.

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<v Speaker 3>But what were gonna say, I'm curious tour.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh, I was gonna be like, you're legitimately an

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<v Speaker 1>insane person and a horrible parent.

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<v Speaker 2>You should lose custody of your child.

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<v Speaker 1>That that child would literally be better growing up by

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<v Speaker 1>a pack of wolves in the forestsh than you, because

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<v Speaker 1>you are damaging that child with your disgusting selfishness.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, that's all nic that.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a little nice no, little nice comment. No like

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<v Speaker 3>people do not. Allot of ninety funds fans do not

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<v Speaker 3>like her. They don't. Yeah, I don't know if she's

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most hated though. There's a lot of psychos.

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<v Speaker 2>In there are.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the other thing, nobody knows somebody well enough

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<v Speaker 1>in ninety days. I had red box movies out from

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<v Speaker 1>the freaking red box longer than these people have known

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<v Speaker 1>each other. And they're getting married, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them make it though there was. There's one

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<v Speaker 3>couple named David and Nanny. They met and they met

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<v Speaker 3>for like and he took a cruise to the dr

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<v Speaker 3>where she was from. I think they hung out for

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<v Speaker 3>two days and they got married. They got the ninety

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<v Speaker 3>day visa, she came over. He had a son, and

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<v Speaker 3>to this day, I believe that they're still together.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and I'm not saying it never works. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like rare, Like do you have some really like

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<v Speaker 3>not even like point zero zero point five percent? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it is extremely rare, but it does happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I feel like that's more. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of there's a lot of names in

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<v Speaker 3>ninety Day. Yeah, so it's like and I know all

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<v Speaker 3>of them.

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<v Speaker 1>I was putting it on when I was like when

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<v Speaker 1>i'd be like cleaning my house or.

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<v Speaker 2>Like folding laundry or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'd be like, here's something mindless, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to watch, But then I would get sucked in.

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<v Speaker 3>It's addicting, and then there's any day happily ever after

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<v Speaker 3>ninety Day. The other way where they go to the countries,

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<v Speaker 3>which is my favorite. It's my favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, off to watch that.

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<v Speaker 3>One ninety day. The other way, the Americans go to

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<v Speaker 3>the countries. One woman goes to the India, one goes

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<v Speaker 3>to the South care Ha, one goes to Ethiopia. In

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<v Speaker 3>these culture shocks, It's so it's so interesting to watch

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<v Speaker 3>for me because I'm watching it as you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>the American like, oh my god, what would I do

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<v Speaker 3>in a situation? What would I do if I had

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<v Speaker 3>to go to India and see this or what? You know,

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<v Speaker 3>would I do that? Or would I like what? So

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<v Speaker 3>I think that their reactions, not all of the time,

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<v Speaker 3>is how I react. I think that sometimes they're just

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<v Speaker 3>they're not doing research. They're not doing research in the country,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like, I mean, if you would have done research,

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<v Speaker 3>you would have known that this is what to expect.

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<v Speaker 3>So for me, I would just do extra research and

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<v Speaker 3>like just try to understand. But I feel like these

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<v Speaker 3>people don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I feel like you're also smart enough to know

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<v Speaker 1>that you wouldn't move to a country for somebody you

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<v Speaker 1>barely know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, Like that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Just I think I gotta be talking to you for

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<v Speaker 3>like three years and we have had to have met

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of times to even get to that situation, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's insane, Like it's it's nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>But a lot of them do do it because the

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<v Speaker 3>woman is pregnant, right, which is worse in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>because why are you taking your One of them was

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<v Speaker 3>pregnant or had a baby. And she went to Ethiopia,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, Ethiopia of all places, and you're an American.

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<v Speaker 3>And her father was a doctor and her mom was

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<v Speaker 3>a nurse, and she wanted to have the baby in Ethiopia.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember if she did, but it's just it's

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<v Speaker 3>just crazy stuff. And she went to go to the

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<v Speaker 3>to the birthing facility and she saw the conditions and

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<v Speaker 3>they were not good in comparison to America, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was just crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like so many of those people are like

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<v Speaker 1>need very intensive therapy because.

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<v Speaker 3>But not but not too much, because I still want my.

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<v Speaker 2>Drama, drama.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get too fits that you're you're right, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, we're gonna do the interview that

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<v Speaker 1>I did with Ratman all about supercel on Netflix. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back in sixty all right, thanks for hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with us. Thanks for rocking it through the commercial break

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<v Speaker 1>with our sponsors that keep this show going. So, Amanda,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked with Ratman, who is the genius, creator, writer, director,

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<v Speaker 1>show runner of Supercel. Have you seen this? No, so

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<v Speaker 1>it is blown up. It came out last week. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe this is blown up on Netflix and it's number

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<v Speaker 1>one on Netflix like around the world. Oh wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is really good. So the log line is

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<v Speaker 1>when five ordinary South Londoners discovered that they have ordinary powers,

429
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<v Speaker 1>it's down to one man to bring them together to

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<v Speaker 1>save the woman he loves.

431
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<v Speaker 4>It is.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's a show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a show, yep it is what eight eight episodes.

434
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<v Speaker 1>I believe each episode takes the point of view of

435
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<v Speaker 1>one of the characters.

436
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<v Speaker 3>Oh so it's like Bridgerton but with seasons.

437
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<v Speaker 2>I've never seen that.

438
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<v Speaker 3>Oh never one.

439
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<v Speaker 2>My mom used to watch that.

440
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<v Speaker 3>I don't watch that, So this is like anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so I don't know, but yeah, so it's

442
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<v Speaker 1>cool that each episode, so it's actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Six episodes it seems for season one.

444
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<v Speaker 1>But each episode is a different point of view from

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<v Speaker 1>one of the characters.

446
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<v Speaker 3>That's interesting.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

448
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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, let's jump right into my interview with Ratman.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you man? Great to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, well, thank you for giving me your time, bro, Yeah,

451
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<v Speaker 6>I'm goodem plain awesome.

452
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<v Speaker 1>So, first of all, congratulations on super Sol. It is

453
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<v Speaker 1>an incredible and its success is well deserved. I want

454
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<v Speaker 1>to go back, if you don't mind, first, and then come.

455
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<v Speaker 2>Back up to Supercell.

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<v Speaker 1>You started in music and you were doing videos and

457
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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. Why was it so important for

458
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<v Speaker 1>you to have this visual element with your music.

459
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<v Speaker 4>I think it's just my love of visual storyteller.

460
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<v Speaker 6>Man, I'm a massive storyteller, a story just a storyteller

461
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<v Speaker 6>fan and genuine life. Story is always like my biggest thing.

462
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<v Speaker 6>But I never saw the videos, the music videos to

463
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<v Speaker 6>the songs I wanted to hear, like give me the Loop,

464
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<v Speaker 6>give me the Loot. I would die for that video

465
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<v Speaker 6>from Biggie You never came Nah was dying love jay

466
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<v Speaker 6>Z a week ago. All of the like all of

467
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<v Speaker 6>the stories, videos and songs I love, they've had visuals.

468
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<v Speaker 4>So I was kind of doing it for other people

469
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<v Speaker 4>like me who never got the videos that they wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>One Okay, I love that and from that you you you.

471
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<v Speaker 2>Really became interested, you know, or really focused.

472
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<v Speaker 1>I should say it is on on storytelling through a

473
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<v Speaker 1>visual element.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Is that accurate?

475
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

476
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, like that kind of it kind of started realizing

477
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:14.000
<v Speaker 6>that's what came easiest to me, and that's that got

478
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<v Speaker 6>the most reception. Because I was starting to release regular

479
00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:19.079
<v Speaker 6>songs and they were doing well and they took me.

480
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<v Speaker 6>They were harder for me to write. But when I

481
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<v Speaker 6>went into my story bag, it's like it was easier.

482
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<v Speaker 6>The reception came and I saw it just became my

483
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<v Speaker 6>goal to and I was like, and I was kept

484
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<v Speaker 6>at it.

485
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<v Speaker 1>And who were some of your influences back then, both

486
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<v Speaker 1>visually and musically musically?

487
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<v Speaker 6>It was definitely two Pat Biggie Nas jay Z. That's

488
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<v Speaker 6>that's the short story. Film wise, I loved I loved

489
00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:49.079
<v Speaker 6>John Singer and I the Shoes Brothers.

490
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<v Speaker 4>Those are the main two our store.

491
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<v Speaker 6>But those are the like when I watched Minister Siety

492
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<v Speaker 6>and Boys and with those days when I was younger.

493
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<v Speaker 4>Those are like run that kind of like London.

494
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<v Speaker 6>Like our part of London, and before the two movies,

495
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<v Speaker 6>I never saw anything like the poverty area part of

496
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<v Speaker 6>London that I lived on screen, so all the big

497
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<v Speaker 6>John Singleton fan and and the Shues brothers.

498
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<v Speaker 1>And so then you you caught the attention of jay

499
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<v Speaker 1>Z of all people.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's that was crazy. That was literally that came

501
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<v Speaker 6>up as one of the these musical narrated shoots I

502
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<v Speaker 6>was doing. It just went viral in the UK, and

503
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<v Speaker 6>then it got to a person in the UK who's

504
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<v Speaker 6>who was very close to jay Z, and jay Z

505
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:35.720
<v Speaker 6>quite sent to him and he was excited bout it.

506
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<v Speaker 4>And then next and I know I was meeting him.

507
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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and you signed with rock Nation, Yeah, which

508
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<v Speaker 1>is you know, incredible and uh and then you know

509
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<v Speaker 1>you started to continued, I should say, to do projects

510
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<v Speaker 1>which led us leads us to super Cell?

511
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<v Speaker 2>What what?

512
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<v Speaker 1>Why did you want to tell the story in Super Cell?

513
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<v Speaker 4>I think the.

514
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<v Speaker 6>Whole superheroes, superpower genres just in a general that I've

515
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:11.160
<v Speaker 6>always loved, but I've never really seen representation in it

516
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<v Speaker 6>outside of Black Panther or Black Lading, basically outside of

517
00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:19.039
<v Speaker 6>Marvel in DC. It was a genre that I don't

518
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<v Speaker 6>feel like efning minorities in general had a lot of.

519
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<v Speaker 4>Presencing. And also on top of that, I never.

520
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<v Speaker 6>Believed the whole Get Powers, Get Cape, gets fandex. I

521
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.200
<v Speaker 6>never understood that because I wouldn't think to do that,

522
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<v Speaker 6>and if I asked five of my friends, that wouldn't

523
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<v Speaker 6>be there first of all. So I was like, imagine

524
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<v Speaker 6>people from where we are from founding tool, like us

525
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<v Speaker 6>get powers, what would re really do? And that would

526
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<v Speaker 6>just be like the big conversation of fun and games.

527
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<v Speaker 6>I was like, you know, this needs to be a show.

528
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<v Speaker 6>And I suppose that's that's where it came from. You're

529
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<v Speaker 6>just the curiosity of normal people getting these powers, normal

530
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<v Speaker 6>people seeing the powers, and just seeing how they react

531
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<v Speaker 6>to it.

532
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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that you say that because my godson, Aiden

533
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<v Speaker 1>is black and white, and I took him to see

534
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Across the or Smiles Mouse, the Spider Verse movie, and

535
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:14.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, he was so hyped to see it, and

536
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:16.440
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't get it because of my ignorance. And

537
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:19.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you know, I love I think he's awesome too,

538
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:20.119
<v Speaker 1>but like, why are you so.

539
00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:22.799
<v Speaker 2>You know, like obsessed?

540
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:26.759
<v Speaker 1>And he was like, I've never seen a superhero that

541
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:30.519
<v Speaker 1>looked like me. And I was like, oh my god,

542
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean that is like, holy crap.

543
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<v Speaker 2>You know, in my own ignorance.

544
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't see that, and he he opened my eyes

545
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<v Speaker 1>to that, you know, and it made me realize how

546
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:47.839
<v Speaker 1>powerful representation is and how representation matters. Because there's my

547
00:26:48.119 --> 00:26:51.680
<v Speaker 1>little godson who was like that guy looks like me,

548
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:54.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, because he has the he has his own

549
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:59.440
<v Speaker 1>little fro and and he identifies with him.

550
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:01.799
<v Speaker 2>And that's so.

551
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Important, you know, It's so important in media.

552
00:27:06.319 --> 00:27:08.480
<v Speaker 2>And so I love that for you. You know, you

553
00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:09.400
<v Speaker 2>were like, well, I.

554
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.839
<v Speaker 1>Don't see what I don't see what I want to

555
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:14.880
<v Speaker 1>see on screen that represents me.

556
00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:15.839
<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to make it.

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<v Speaker 6>That's this year. I made this show. I made the

558
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:21.799
<v Speaker 6>show that I wanted to watch. That's literally I've done that.

559
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 6>Everything in there is my taste first and hoping that

560
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:25.680
<v Speaker 6>everybody else lapsing.

561
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:27.519
<v Speaker 4>But that's literally the show I wanted to see on TV.

562
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:31.039
<v Speaker 2>And So where did this go for you?

563
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.640
<v Speaker 1>From kind of you know, idea in your head to Okay, yeah,

564
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<v Speaker 1>this is going to be a project. This is going

565
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<v Speaker 1>to be, you know, my next thing that I'm putting

566
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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ten percent into.

567
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.319
<v Speaker 6>It was kind of like I've just someone asked me

568
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:48.440
<v Speaker 6>about the idea before I knew I had the idea

569
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 6>someone does say asked me and.

570
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:51.039
<v Speaker 4>Said, well, are you going to do next?

571
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<v Speaker 6>This is when I was promoting my last project, and

572
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:55.799
<v Speaker 6>then the superstar idea that wasn't really it wasn't called

573
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 6>super soll done, it was just normal people with powers

574
00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 6>came into my head.

575
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<v Speaker 4>And I spoke out loud. But then I went on

576
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:03.200
<v Speaker 4>a meeting with Netflix and they.

577
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:04.559
<v Speaker 6>Asked me, what have you got? What do you want

578
00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:07.240
<v Speaker 6>to do next? And I'm just stating. They're eating the

579
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.519
<v Speaker 6>free food that they brought me, and I came to

580
00:28:09.559 --> 00:28:12.799
<v Speaker 6>my idea and I said, okay, anything else and I

581
00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.880
<v Speaker 6>said no, I'm not really must have something. I was like, oh,

582
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<v Speaker 6>I didn't know. It's what it told me. I suppose

583
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.880
<v Speaker 6>a general, So I said, hey, what is algrad there?

584
00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:24.039
<v Speaker 6>Normal people like me with powers, no fan exlowcaps And

585
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:26.400
<v Speaker 6>they went quiet while I'm eating my food, and I

586
00:28:26.400 --> 00:28:29.359
<v Speaker 6>looked up and it looked that looked like it excited

587
00:28:29.400 --> 00:28:32.839
<v Speaker 6>them the way it excited my group of friends. And

588
00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:34.480
<v Speaker 6>I was like, you know what, this is something I

589
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.720
<v Speaker 6>should work on. So in the lockdown. During the lockdown,

590
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 6>I just really got to work on it. I just

591
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.160
<v Speaker 6>went to work in it and just just put it

592
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.279
<v Speaker 6>all together and then send it to Netflix and they

593
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:45.960
<v Speaker 6>wanted to make it.

594
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<v Speaker 2>I love that. And how did you decide?

595
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.839
<v Speaker 1>Because I imagine it's got to be you know, if

596
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:54.079
<v Speaker 1>you get to create this universe.

597
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Of powers, and obviously there's there's.

598
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>So many, you know, unlimited stories that you could tell

599
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>and unlimited powers that you could you know, use, how

600
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:08.079
<v Speaker 1>did you kind of narrow it down to these particular

601
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.519
<v Speaker 1>people and and those particular powers.

602
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<v Speaker 6>The people came first, and because I say it in

603
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 6>a very specific part of London. I know, the London

604
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<v Speaker 6>that the world and I was usually his key front

605
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:24.920
<v Speaker 6>kid is very you know, very different to the South London.

606
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.759
<v Speaker 6>South London is probably the most get old, poverty driven

607
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:31.119
<v Speaker 6>part of London. And in London, those five characters are

608
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:35.319
<v Speaker 6>based there representation not everybody, but a wild range of

609
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 6>different people in London. A delivery guy who you know

610
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 6>is out every day, the street kid who's still doing

611
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.680
<v Speaker 6>the gang staff for a dad who's trying to get

612
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.759
<v Speaker 6>his reformity back on trap by, you know, trying to

613
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 6>get his future aig so you can see his child.

614
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.960
<v Speaker 6>Just basically, all these five people different parts of London.

615
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 6>I wanted to show different parts of South London specifically.

616
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<v Speaker 4>So once I got them done, the.

617
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<v Speaker 6>Type of characters that apple were fine and I could

618
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<v Speaker 6>be late to I then just started thinking, okay, what

619
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 6>powers would these people have? And it didn't match the

620
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<v Speaker 6>powers with the personality because I feel that personality gets

621
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:12.960
<v Speaker 6>done more and over the development stage. So when I realized,

622
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<v Speaker 6>for example, our lead character Michael would have to save

623
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.720
<v Speaker 6>his woman by finding these groups of people, I said,

624
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<v Speaker 6>if this guy hasn't got some sort of teleportation, we're

625
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 6>gonna have a lot of things where he's driving. There's

626
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 6>gonna be a lot of things with this guy driving

627
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:27.960
<v Speaker 6>to people. So I said, you know what, let's give

628
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<v Speaker 6>him something swift where you can get.

629
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<v Speaker 4>There and get this.

630
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<v Speaker 6>We don't have to spend the story explaining how did

631
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<v Speaker 6>he get there so far, because I don't like it

632
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.359
<v Speaker 6>when I see TV shows and the time jump for

633
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<v Speaker 6>one minute they're there, then all of a sudden they're there.

634
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<v Speaker 4>So we've done that.

635
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 6>And then staying with the other character, our father who's

636
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<v Speaker 6>trying to see some hasn't got any money, get super strength.

637
00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:47.000
<v Speaker 4>What does that do for him?

638
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:49.279
<v Speaker 6>Absolutely nothing, unless you're going to do the whole criminal

639
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<v Speaker 6>activity thing that got you in.

640
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<v Speaker 4>This position in the first place.

641
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<v Speaker 6>So basically the quite short and more put, the powers

642
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<v Speaker 6>that would make it the most the biggest obstacle or

643
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<v Speaker 6>the biggest you know, Drey and what would make the

644
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<v Speaker 6>story more entertaining. But it turns things that FREDI s clean.

645
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 6>The characters adapted the powers so well the cost it

646
00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:09.799
<v Speaker 6>feels like it matches their personality.

647
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<v Speaker 4>But it wasn't my intention.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I love that.

649
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 1>And uh and for Supercell, you know, it is a

650
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<v Speaker 1>unabashedly black which I think is incredible in the fact

651
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>that I'm trying to be uh spoiler free, but particularly

652
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>with how they have their powers, you know. And uh,

653
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:40.839
<v Speaker 1>and I think that that is extremely smart. How you

654
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:46.799
<v Speaker 1>worked that, uh, work that into it? Did you as

655
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.279
<v Speaker 1>you're doing it? You know, as you're writing and developing

656
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:54.759
<v Speaker 1>the series? Uh, did you do those little I don't

657
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>want to say easter eggs, but those little kind of

658
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<v Speaker 1>things knowing that it was kind of a nod to

659
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.519
<v Speaker 1>that or was it kind of like just kind of

660
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>happened as you were, you know, developing and writing.

661
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.119
<v Speaker 4>Now, when I.

662
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:12.319
<v Speaker 6>Decided I was going to do a superhero show, and

663
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:14.640
<v Speaker 6>I always like to know where the powers come from.

664
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<v Speaker 6>When I watched superhero shows and the powers there's no

665
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<v Speaker 6>explanations of powers.

666
00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:20.039
<v Speaker 4>I always kind of get married, like my favorite one

667
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 4>of my.

668
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.880
<v Speaker 6>Favorite show is Heroes, And to this day we know

669
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:24.559
<v Speaker 6>where the empowers came from.

670
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.440
<v Speaker 4>They were just powers, you know.

671
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 6>And I still love the show, But I still I

672
00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.279
<v Speaker 6>would love someone to give me that question. So when

673
00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:31.880
<v Speaker 6>I was thinking I knew I was going to do

674
00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:33.799
<v Speaker 6>an all black cars show, that was always going to

675
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 6>be the case, I was just like, Okay, what can

676
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 6>be their power? And you know, obviously we're reference reference

677
00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 6>into simple cell right now.

678
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.400
<v Speaker 4>It just it just makes so much sense. Man. It's

679
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.319
<v Speaker 4>a disease that predominantly.

680
00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.279
<v Speaker 6>Hurts darker skin, you know, and if and I never

681
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.640
<v Speaker 6>understood that because skin color is just complexion.

682
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 4>Man it's not. It doesn't.

683
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:58.640
<v Speaker 6>I don't understand why there is a disease that predominantly

684
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.119
<v Speaker 6>brings the darker skinned community done. So I think, you

685
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:05.119
<v Speaker 6>know what, if something can make us weak, let's do

686
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.759
<v Speaker 6>something to strengthen us, something to turn it on his

687
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<v Speaker 6>head and make people living with it full seen. And

688
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 6>on the top of that, let's raise awareness. Because you

689
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.160
<v Speaker 6>can walk into a room with ten people and ask

690
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.119
<v Speaker 6>what do you know about who you put your hand up,

691
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<v Speaker 6>if you know how to sickle cell, if you have

692
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<v Speaker 6>more than three hands up, you're in a really good room.

693
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<v Speaker 4>Because no one really knows about it.

694
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<v Speaker 6>So if you know, it's raised a lot of awareness

695
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 6>and it's had a lot of people living with it

696
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 6>full stein and feel heard. And I'm really happy about that.

697
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<v Speaker 2>And you should be. It's an incredible thing for you.

698
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<v Speaker 1>So currently it's number one on Netflix, which has got

699
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<v Speaker 1>to be insane, and it's well deserved.

700
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 2>What did you do when you got that news?

701
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 4>It was crazy because I used to watch the trades

702
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.119
<v Speaker 4>I've been watching. I'll always read the trades. I'll be

703
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 4>the trades every day.

704
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<v Speaker 6>And I always used to see the list of top

705
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:56.839
<v Speaker 6>ten on Netflix, and I always pull that list was

706
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<v Speaker 6>just the American list of the US, but it was

707
00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:03.079
<v Speaker 6>it was okay, you could be number two in America,

708
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<v Speaker 6>but number one in eighty five other countries, and they

709
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<v Speaker 6>talented like that.

710
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<v Speaker 4>So I remember calling Netflix, are we number one in America? Economics?

711
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<v Speaker 7>I know we're number two, number one, yet number one

712
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:14.719
<v Speaker 7>number one? Still, like wraps, it doesn't matter if you're

713
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<v Speaker 7>number one in one territory. Netfltak said, yes, US is

714
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<v Speaker 7>the biggest territory, but it's about where you are globally,

715
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.679
<v Speaker 7>and I was like, okay. So then when I got

716
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<v Speaker 7>the call, I got the call to say, look, we

717
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<v Speaker 7>think you're going to be global number one this week,

718
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:31.320
<v Speaker 7>and that to me is crazy because Netflix is in

719
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 7>every home. So if you're number one globally, the math

720
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<v Speaker 7>eyes I've seen your work as a creator, that's just

721
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:40.880
<v Speaker 7>like it was just it was such a win man

722
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.760
<v Speaker 7>our text, all the cars and we all kind of just.

723
00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.079
<v Speaker 4>Celebrated with emojis and happiness.

724
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 6>Because you have to understand that we were a small

725
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.519
<v Speaker 6>show compared to all the big shows.

726
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:52.519
<v Speaker 4>We're not and we're a brand new show.

727
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.519
<v Speaker 6>And any one in the TV will tell you launching

728
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:57.679
<v Speaker 6>a brand new IP is very hard, especially if you

729
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:01.000
<v Speaker 6>haven't got non talent in not that it's hard. So

730
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<v Speaker 6>the fact that we went with little promotion and became

731
00:35:04.920 --> 00:35:06.599
<v Speaker 6>number one just not a word of mouth.

732
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.920
<v Speaker 4>It was really nice one really nice to them.

733
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<v Speaker 1>And it's and it's a testament to your work and

734
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the work of you know, the entire casting crew, but

735
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:17.679
<v Speaker 1>ultimately your vision, you know what I mean.

736
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<v Speaker 2>So that's that's huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, So I heard that you actually used a

738
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<v Speaker 1>specific kind of camera that captures black skin more accurately.

739
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<v Speaker 2>Is that writer, am I Nah.

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<v Speaker 6>They got the artcle that first launched that they didn't

741
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.519
<v Speaker 6>have any bad attentions, They just miss heard.

742
00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:39.760
<v Speaker 4>How we've explained it.

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<v Speaker 6>At the time when we filmed the camera called the

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<v Speaker 6>Iver thirty five great camera just launched. There was like

745
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<v Speaker 6>maybe four of them in England at the time, and

746
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<v Speaker 6>every production company I was about the film and wanted

747
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 6>them and we needed them and we got them. The

748
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 6>camera's amazing, but it wasn't just the camera. The camera's

749
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.480
<v Speaker 6>great and low last, so that helps obviously with darker

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<v Speaker 6>skin tone, but we specifically went out the way to

751
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<v Speaker 6>make sure all the dark skin was litting well. And

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<v Speaker 6>I think the reason why it was it's not normally

753
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Speaker 6>because if you took about your majority show just's I

754
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 6>say stranger things for example, I'm not saying it's not

755
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 6>little well, but because obviously the majority of casts is white,

756
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:19.880
<v Speaker 6>you get one black. If there's a seemable sixth of

757
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.960
<v Speaker 6>the heroes there, the light is going to favor the

758
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:26.159
<v Speaker 6>majority in the shot. So sometimes the darker skin tone

759
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.320
<v Speaker 6>kind of falls on the full flat because it's not

760
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.679
<v Speaker 6>the right lighting what weve done because we had a

761
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 6>majority black cart. We brought on a makeup artist who's

762
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.440
<v Speaker 6>great at doing makeup for darker skin. We brought someone

763
00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:39.639
<v Speaker 6>that knows how to light darker skin. We had this

764
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 6>camera which is great in low light. But it was

765
00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:45.199
<v Speaker 6>the marriage of all the things together, specifically owned to

766
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 6>make black skin look.

767
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:48.519
<v Speaker 4>As beautiful as it is. And yeah, that was it.

768
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 4>So it wasn't just one thing that's cool.

769
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>And thank you for clarifying that, because that seems to

770
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:53.840
<v Speaker 1>be out there right now.

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00:36:53.880 --> 00:37:00.599
<v Speaker 4>So I was like, what's this magical camera? I don't

772
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.199
<v Speaker 4>know there.

773
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.199
<v Speaker 2>Uh where? Obviously this was season one.

774
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.519
<v Speaker 1>I had read somewhere that your plan is for a

775
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>three season arc.

776
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Is that accurate? Is that still where you're what you're thinking?

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00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.880
<v Speaker 6>Now, I've got a minimum free story. You had a

778
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.280
<v Speaker 6>free story arc in my head. I know where it

779
00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.360
<v Speaker 6>goes for free seasons. Not to say you couldn't go

780
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.760
<v Speaker 6>past it made sense. I've got free season story in

781
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.800
<v Speaker 6>my head. Yeah, that's how I've always told Netflix, I've got.

782
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:33.800
<v Speaker 4>Three seasons in me if you look, give me the

783
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:35.480
<v Speaker 4>seasons basically.

784
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:40.880
<v Speaker 1>And so now based on have you already worked, written

785
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 1>or developed season two or are you starting to get

786
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:45.960
<v Speaker 1>into that now.

787
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:47.960
<v Speaker 4>We haven't.

788
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:51.719
<v Speaker 6>I haven't written an episode of it properly yet, but

789
00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:56.320
<v Speaker 6>I've joined down the character arcs and things like that,

790
00:37:56.400 --> 00:37:57.119
<v Speaker 6>and because.

791
00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.679
<v Speaker 4>I know there was so it doesn't actually take me

792
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.239
<v Speaker 4>long to ride the episodes. It's just a way. If

793
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:03.559
<v Speaker 4>a Netflix suppresed that green button, man, that's.

794
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Ways it's coming for sure.

795
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 1>And do you know?

796
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Do you uh?

797
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:14.559
<v Speaker 1>It's a streaming for for those that are watching or listening,

798
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 1>is obviously a little bit different in the development process

799
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 1>because typically if you've been green light for a greenlight

800
00:38:21.840 --> 00:38:24.920
<v Speaker 1>for a season two, you're already you know, you know,

801
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.639
<v Speaker 1>you're working on it immediately, so it's out by September

802
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.280
<v Speaker 1>or whatever in the traditional model. With this, obviously, you know,

803
00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>with streaming, it's a little bit different, which gives you

804
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:38.559
<v Speaker 1>some time like are you do you look at feedback

805
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.679
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, huh, maybe I could you know, like

806
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>or are you able to separate it and be like nope,

807
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:45.559
<v Speaker 1>I know what I want and that's whether it's going

808
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:45.800
<v Speaker 1>to be.

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<v Speaker 6>It's funny because sometimes I'll get a message your d M.

810
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:52.800
<v Speaker 6>I'll see a tweet that's like, okay, that's pretty interesting

811
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.880
<v Speaker 6>and it's fun. But the minute you start actually going

812
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.440
<v Speaker 6>into it to write it, that's what falls out of

813
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:02.119
<v Speaker 6>your heads. Because there's so much vailables that the the

814
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 6>viewer just doesn't know. But they don't know where how

815
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 6>it's going to end. They don't know what that. There's

816
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.000
<v Speaker 6>so much they don't know, so you end up kind

817
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:10.880
<v Speaker 6>of I end up kind of shouting it out. But

818
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.639
<v Speaker 6>sometimes I see some great ideas. I think, oh, that's

819
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:17.239
<v Speaker 6>pretty interesting, that's pretty interesting. So I think when it

820
00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 6>comes down to it, some stuff does stay with you sublimately,

821
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.199
<v Speaker 6>so you might come out with amazing idea that you

822
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.199
<v Speaker 6>think he's your You don't know You've read this tweet somewhere.

823
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.320
<v Speaker 2>You don't know that, so you know what.

824
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 6>I don't tend to pull up all the you know,

825
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.599
<v Speaker 6>all the comments and see what I can do. I

826
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:35.840
<v Speaker 6>kind of keep my vision clear.

827
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

828
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, raps are rap Man, Thank you so much for

829
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 1>speaking with me. I can't wait till until the next

830
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:51.639
<v Speaker 1>season and beyond of Supercell and and seriously and sincerely

831
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:55.519
<v Speaker 1>kudos to all of the the hype and and love

832
00:39:55.559 --> 00:39:58.039
<v Speaker 1>that that the series is getting it so well deserved.

833
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 4>Appreciate that mom, Thank you that much.

834
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Thank you man speak and sale. All right, our.

835
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<v Speaker 1>Right, rapman Supercel is streaming exclusively on Netflix right now.

836
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.639
<v Speaker 2>Season one. He's awesome.

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00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's so cool.

838
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he really is. Like I love how he's such

839
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:22.039
<v Speaker 1>a visual. He's such a storyteller, you know, like even

840
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 1>with his music, as he was saying, it's not like

841
00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>about the hook or whatever or the beat, like it's

842
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 1>the story.

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00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.360
<v Speaker 3>You can tell that. He really tries to go in

844
00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 3>depth of what he does exactly.

845
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

846
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:36.159
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's why Supercell works so well. So

847
00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:37.679
<v Speaker 1>now you gotta watch it. It's really good.

848
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<v Speaker 3>I will adding it, adding it to my never ending list.

849
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Add it to your list.

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00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:43.920
<v Speaker 1>All right, we're gonna take a break and then we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get back to the feature. We're going to come

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00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:51.199
<v Speaker 1>back with the feature presentation, which is tickled because this

853
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.320
<v Speaker 1>is batshit insane, but we'll get to that. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>wait to talk about it with Amanda. We'll be back

855
00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:00.440
<v Speaker 1>in sixty all right, we are back. Thanks for hanging

856
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:06.400
<v Speaker 1>out with us. So I randomly was, you know, I

857
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 1>have so much to do at my house because you know,

858
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I just bought it two years ago. It sounds like

859
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>a long time, but I travel a lot, so I don't,

860
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:16.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not like I'm there every day to

861
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:17.119
<v Speaker 1>be able to get stuff done.

862
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Right.

863
00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Then, my you know, my mom had passed away a

864
00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.079
<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago, and my dad recently sold my

865
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:29.360
<v Speaker 1>parents' house, so I took everything from there, and I'm

866
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.159
<v Speaker 1>going through it, you know, so I can done it. Yeah,

867
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:33.880
<v Speaker 1>so it looks like a hoarder's although it looks a

868
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.079
<v Speaker 1>lot better now than it did. But so I'm always

869
00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 1>throwing on something that like is interesting but won't distract

870
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.159
<v Speaker 1>distract me, so like I could just.

871
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Kind of listen to it or whatever.

872
00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I randomly saw this tickled, this image on

873
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Netflix of like a feather, and it was like tickled,

874
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like what, And so then I click on

875
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.199
<v Speaker 1>it and I'm like, this sounds insane.

876
00:41:58.400 --> 00:41:59.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm in right.

877
00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>So the log line is journalist David Farier stumbles upon

878
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 1>a mysterious tickling competition online. As he delves deeper, he

879
00:42:09.639 --> 00:42:13.400
<v Speaker 1>comes up against fierce resistance, but that doesn't stop him

880
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 1>getting to the bottom of a story stranger than fiction.

881
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, oh, okay, you know, like I said,

882
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 1>weird I'm in, So I first of all, got nothing

883
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:26.599
<v Speaker 1>done with my room.

884
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:27.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm cracking up.

885
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:33.719
<v Speaker 2>I was glued to this. It is that shit insane.

886
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:38.320
<v Speaker 1>I then became like obsessed, where like I'm googling the

887
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:41.599
<v Speaker 1>people in it. I ended up finding out that there's

888
00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 1>a short follow up called The Tickle King, and this

889
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:50.320
<v Speaker 1>is just insane. So I texted you the very next

890
00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.800
<v Speaker 1>day and I'm like, yo, I want to do the

891
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:57.440
<v Speaker 1>whole future presentation about Tickled, And you know, obviously you're like,

892
00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:59.159
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm like,

893
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:01.880
<v Speaker 1>you've got to watch this movie and you're like, okay,

894
00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I guess, and then you did.

895
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:07.719
<v Speaker 3>I did. I I couldn't contain it because you were

896
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:11.559
<v Speaker 3>just you sounded so passionate over the over text, so

897
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.559
<v Speaker 3>I said, Okay, he's tweaking about this. I have to

898
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:16.719
<v Speaker 3>see right now. So I put it on while I

899
00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.960
<v Speaker 3>was doing my work. Weird, Yeah, fel freaking weird.

900
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:24.920
<v Speaker 1>So overall, do you see why I was so passionate

901
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:29.559
<v Speaker 1>about it? Yes, isn't it like it's like a really

902
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.920
<v Speaker 1>good reality show, but not like a reality you know

903
00:43:33.960 --> 00:43:36.159
<v Speaker 1>what I mean. It's obviously it's a documentary, but like

904
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.400
<v Speaker 1>the twists and turns and the craziness of it.

905
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:41.880
<v Speaker 3>Are we gonna do spoilers?

906
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.400
<v Speaker 2>No? No, come on, or okay.

907
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:48.480
<v Speaker 3>The twist is too huge to not talk about. How

908
00:43:48.480 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 3>are we going to talk about the twist without spoiling it?

909
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:53.239
<v Speaker 2>This came out in twenty sixteen, so that was what

910
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 2>eight years ago.

911
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.000
<v Speaker 3>People haven't watched it by now, it's their fault.

912
00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So all right.

913
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Tick a breather, yes, before we start to go in depth.

914
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 1>So we I start watching this David Farrier, who's an

915
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.440
<v Speaker 1>incredible journalist, and I didn't actually even know until I

916
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>watched this that he did Dark Tourists Too, which is

917
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:15.599
<v Speaker 1>a really cool documentary series on Netflix.

918
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh that after I finished Tickle, that popped up and

919
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 3>I was really interested in that. That's from the same guy.

920
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.639
<v Speaker 1>Yes, oh okay, yeah, and that's such a good show.

921
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>It's it's like weird historical stuff. It's it's awesome.

922
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I didn't realize it was the same guy

923
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 1>until I watched this. David Farrier, you know, he is

924
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 1>always doing these odd and kind of quirky stories. He

925
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.320
<v Speaker 1>somehow what somebody sends him or something a Tickle video

926
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:43.760
<v Speaker 1>and he's.

927
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:44.039
<v Speaker 2>Like, what's this.

928
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:46.039
<v Speaker 3>I think he stumbled upon it.

929
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.360
<v Speaker 1>Like just searching or something. Yeah, and he's like, this

930
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 1>is kind of weird, you know. Then he begins researching

931
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:55.480
<v Speaker 1>on researching it because he wants to do a story

932
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.440
<v Speaker 1>on it. He notices that a lot of them, a

933
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.679
<v Speaker 1>lot of these videos, almost all of them, are coming

934
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.880
<v Speaker 1>from this Jane O'Brien Media. Yeah, all the casting calls,

935
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, all of it is coming from the same

936
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of company, which Jane O'Brien media, first of all,

937
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:13.599
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a fake name.

938
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.280
<v Speaker 3>It does. Jane O'Brien, right.

939
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Media, Could you be any more yite with this.

940
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Red flag number one?

941
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

942
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>And then weirdly enough, he reaches out that part's not weird.

943
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 1>He reaches out to them to say, hey, you know,

944
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:30.559
<v Speaker 1>I thought this was like quirky and odd, let's do

945
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:31.880
<v Speaker 1>a story.

946
00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do a story on this.

947
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Can I talk to you. He didn't mean anything. He

948
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:39.079
<v Speaker 1>just thought it was like an odd, weird thing.

949
00:45:39.199 --> 00:45:42.400
<v Speaker 3>He just wanted to do an interview. That's nothing, that's completely.

950
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Normal, right, And they respond.

951
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.039
<v Speaker 3>I was shook from that response.

952
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 1>With this horrendous email, being like, we refuse to have

953
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 1>interviews with homosexuals or something and like all and.

954
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:58.760
<v Speaker 2>Like like what like where does that even come from?

955
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:02.880
<v Speaker 1>It was very harsh, Yeah, so harsh and so aggressive.

956
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:06.599
<v Speaker 1>It's like what like that doesn't even he's not attacking.

957
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 1>He's like literally like, hey, you know what you do

958
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:11.400
<v Speaker 1>was quirky. I'd love to do an interview with you

959
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:15.400
<v Speaker 1>about it. And they're like they respond with that, which

960
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:18.280
<v Speaker 1>is so wild to me because it's like the stuff

961
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 1>you're doing is pretty gay.

962
00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said that. Yeah, I found it hard to

963
00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:28.679
<v Speaker 3>take that email seriously because it looked gay. It seemed gay. Yeah,

964
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:33.519
<v Speaker 3>and it's like it does videos that they put on

965
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:36.840
<v Speaker 3>the documentary they were being It was.

966
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, I mean it's it's not like blatantly homosexual behavior,

967
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's pretty homoerotic. Like you have these young athletic

968
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.719
<v Speaker 1>guys that they literally seek out young athletic guys, Yeah,

969
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 1>to like sit on each other and tie each other

970
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:56.280
<v Speaker 1>down and like tickle each other clothes.

971
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.440
<v Speaker 2>But I mean that's, you know, that's.

972
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:04.079
<v Speaker 3>With the way the world thinks nowadays, anyone's gonna assume

973
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 3>that that is in some type of way gay, right,

974
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:10.039
<v Speaker 3>because it's lean.

975
00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it's it's you know, it doesn't make

976
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the people involve gay or whatever. But I mean it's

977
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:22.480
<v Speaker 1>pretty gay. My gay friends would be like, that's pretty gay,

978
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like I'm not calling them

979
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 1>homosecutional course, but that behavior is sus.

980
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's pretty suss.

981
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.679
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I do agree, it is sus Yeah.

982
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:41.880
<v Speaker 1>So then you know, I guess we kind of have

983
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.480
<v Speaker 1>to go through some of this in detail in order to.

984
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Talk about it. We do.

985
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:46.559
<v Speaker 3>We do.

986
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:52.000
<v Speaker 1>So note to yourself, if you haven't seen this yet,

987
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 1>maybe go watch it yet. It's on Netflix right now,

988
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:57.840
<v Speaker 1>and then come back and listen to this episode because

989
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:01.199
<v Speaker 1>there's there's really no way around this spoilers the spoilers,

990
00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:02.119
<v Speaker 1>There really isn't.

991
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.159
<v Speaker 2>I promise you you want to.

992
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 1>Watch this movie and the follow up, The Ticklekink.

993
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:10.719
<v Speaker 2>You need to watch.

994
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 1>This movie will change your life, like it has changed mind,

995
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:13.920
<v Speaker 1>And I'm obsessed.

996
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why. I just think it's also weird.

997
00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 1>And crazy and unbelievable, but it was all true. It's

998
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.920
<v Speaker 1>all true, like it's nuts. So anyway, all right, back

999
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:29.480
<v Speaker 1>to us. So then David the journalist seems like, well

1000
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:34.280
<v Speaker 1>that's even more intriguing now that they've written this horrible email.

1001
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Blah blah blah.

1002
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 1>So he calls a buddy and a television television producer, Dylan,

1003
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.960
<v Speaker 1>to kind of help him look further into it, right,

1004
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.119
<v Speaker 1>h What were you thinking at that point as you

1005
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:44.679
<v Speaker 1>were watching?

1006
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:50.639
<v Speaker 3>After I saw the email, I was immediately taken aback. Yeah,

1007
00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:53.519
<v Speaker 3>because of how harsh it was. Yeah, And I probably

1008
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 3>would have done the same thing as David.

1009
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1010
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.519
<v Speaker 3>I would have looked at this email and been like,

1011
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:00.679
<v Speaker 3>what in the world that I just get?

1012
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1013
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:05.079
<v Speaker 3>Why are they so defensive? Right off the bat? It

1014
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.679
<v Speaker 3>was such a defensive email, Yeah, that it's really hard

1015
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 3>to not be more intrigued by it.

1016
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Exactly that you put it perfectly. It was so defensive, unnecessarily.

1017
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Unnecessarily like you could have just said no, thank you, Yeah,

1018
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.079
<v Speaker 2>no thanks, we're not interested.

1019
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Exactly like you went like, please look at us, we

1020
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 1>have so much to hide. You went that route by

1021
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 1>saying what you did?

1022
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:34.400
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean, Like, I.

1023
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Don't understand why it was So you really just shot

1024
00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:39.119
<v Speaker 3>yourself in the foot by sending that email.

1025
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

1026
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.119
<v Speaker 1>So then this man gets his buddy, a television producer hmm,

1027
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.159
<v Speaker 1>to start filming this stuff. So then they write some

1028
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.280
<v Speaker 1>blog posts and those go viral because that whole thing

1029
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:50.719
<v Speaker 1>was weird.

1030
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, first of.

1031
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.760
<v Speaker 3>All, when Dylan came on board, they were researching the

1032
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:59.639
<v Speaker 3>domain name oh remember, and they found three hundred domain

1033
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:03.000
<v Speaker 3>names that all related to tickling yep. So that was

1034
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:07.320
<v Speaker 3>another thing that fueled David Yeah to look into this, right,

1035
00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:10.360
<v Speaker 3>which by this point I was completely in.

1036
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's when I got sucked.

1037
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 3>There the three hundred domain names. I said, Okay, I

1038
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.960
<v Speaker 3>got a well, I was still working, Krista, I was

1039
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:22.800
<v Speaker 3>still working, I promise, but I was like, Okay, whoa,

1040
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:24.320
<v Speaker 3>that's a lot of domain names.

1041
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah for under what?

1042
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and all related to tickling?

1043
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeap? What the heck exactly?

1044
00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Which is I'm we're not knocking your fetish. If that's

1045
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:37.280
<v Speaker 1>your thing, well, I'm kind of knocking. Well, I'm not

1046
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.800
<v Speaker 1>knocking your fetish. It's not hurting anybody, you know, as

1047
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:44.280
<v Speaker 1>long as everybody is participating, is uh willingly participating in

1048
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:49.199
<v Speaker 1>their adults and all that whatever, it's.

1049
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Unusual.

1050
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody would deny that a tickle fetish

1051
00:50:55.320 --> 00:50:55.880
<v Speaker 1>is unusual.

1052
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:58.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't think anybody knows what that is exactly. I

1053
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.159
<v Speaker 3>didn't know what that was exactly until this Yeah.

1054
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:03.760
<v Speaker 1>When I read the thing and it was about competitive tickling,

1055
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's weird. I didn't even know that was

1056
00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:10.920
<v Speaker 1>competitive tickling. Come to find out, I like what.

1057
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.320
<v Speaker 3>It's It's so funny though, the whole thing. Yeah, I'm

1058
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:17.400
<v Speaker 3>trying to contain my laughter in the mic, and I

1059
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:18.159
<v Speaker 3>just can't.

1060
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, there's a big world out there,

1061
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know everything or most of everything. So

1062
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh, there's like these I don't know if

1063
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:32.199
<v Speaker 1>it was Olympics, Like, I didn't know competitive tickling, you know,

1064
00:51:32.320 --> 00:51:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, that sounds weird. I'm in like that

1065
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.559
<v Speaker 1>was weird enough, But then when I realized there was

1066
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:44.079
<v Speaker 1>a sexual like thing with it, I'm like even weirder.

1067
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't understand.

1068
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:49.360
<v Speaker 3>How people like that stuff, but I.

1069
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Don't even understand, Like I think at one point one

1070
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:56.079
<v Speaker 1>of them said, it's really about the power over the person,

1071
00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:59.159
<v Speaker 1>like because you're tying them up and then you're tickling them,

1072
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.039
<v Speaker 1>and then it's up to you to decide when to stop.

1073
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:04.800
<v Speaker 1>So it's almost like a pleasant form of torture in

1074
00:52:04.840 --> 00:52:05.280
<v Speaker 1>some ways.

1075
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Hm, I don't.

1076
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Even this is this tickle torture.

1077
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:15.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like so bizarre.

1078
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.679
<v Speaker 3>It's crazy. It's so bizarre, And I would die a

1079
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Speaker 3>little bit every time they said the phrase tickle torture.

1080
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:25.920
<v Speaker 3>I know, like, don't say that phrase. It just grossed

1081
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:26.480
<v Speaker 3>me out.

1082
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:31.239
<v Speaker 2>And then the person's screen name was Terry Tickle.

1083
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:34.920
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't believe that.

1084
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Who does that Terry Tickle?

1085
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Like, obviously that's not a real name, Like it's it

1086
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:44.800
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a bad Batman villain.

1087
00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:50.960
<v Speaker 3>It sounds like a character on Sesame Street, Terry Tickle, Like,

1088
00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:55.400
<v Speaker 3>what the heck.

1089
00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:55.639
<v Speaker 2>It really does?

1090
00:52:56.079 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 1>That was a creepy muppet been like, my name's Erriticle.

1091
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh that was a guy that I was talking.

1092
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:07.119
<v Speaker 3>They laughed at.

1093
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:10.079
<v Speaker 2>My night?

1094
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:11.920
<v Speaker 3>Was theoretickled.

1095
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Something like something weird? You know what I mean? Anyway?

1096
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So, like you said, they've all of these domains

1097
00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:24.320
<v Speaker 1>that are all Tickle related, hundreds and what over three

1098
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:27.480
<v Speaker 1>hundred of them? Three hundred Like what do you even

1099
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 1>do with all those? Like the whole thing is so perplexing, right,

1100
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.119
<v Speaker 1>And similarly, like you said, I'm, you know, cleaning up

1101
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.400
<v Speaker 1>my room and then I'm like okay, And that's when

1102
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.639
<v Speaker 1>I didn't get anything done for the rest of the

1103
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.840
<v Speaker 1>evening because I was all in I had.

1104
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:45.960
<v Speaker 2>I could not keep my eyes.

1105
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:48.480
<v Speaker 3>I actually had to rewatch it because I was, like

1106
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:50.920
<v Speaker 3>I said, I was doing while I was working. Yeah,

1107
00:53:50.960 --> 00:53:53.960
<v Speaker 3>and I was kind of listening to it and kind

1108
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.679
<v Speaker 3>of not and then once I clocked out, I was like, okay,

1109
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:58.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm locked in. Yeah, and I rewatched the whole thing,

1110
00:53:58.719 --> 00:53:59.559
<v Speaker 3>so I've seen it twice.

1111
00:53:59.599 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1112
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.639
<v Speaker 3>And then wait, my sister came home from work and

1113
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:04.679
<v Speaker 3>I made her watch it, so I think that I've

1114
00:54:04.719 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 3>watched it three times. Okay, we didn't finish it. We

1115
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:12.880
<v Speaker 3>got forty minutes in, but I didn't tell her anything.

1116
00:54:13.159 --> 00:54:14.519
<v Speaker 3>So I told her. I said, hey, one of my

1117
00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.760
<v Speaker 3>coworkers he texted me this film and it's called Tickled,

1118
00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 3>and I'm wanting you to watch it. And she's like

1119
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:21.079
<v Speaker 3>what it's about? And I was going to tell her.

1120
00:54:21.920 --> 00:54:24.519
<v Speaker 3>I was going to tell her what it was about,

1121
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:26.559
<v Speaker 3>but then I thought about it and I was like,

1122
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:29.000
<v Speaker 3>you know what, I want you to go in here

1123
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:35.599
<v Speaker 3>completely blind. Yeah, and she was shook. I was getting

1124
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:39.760
<v Speaker 3>her raw reaction. I'd look over, mouth is open, mouth,

1125
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:43.760
<v Speaker 3>hand is over the mouth, eyes are bulged out. I'm like, yeah, yeah,

1126
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:47.400
<v Speaker 3>keep on watching, keep on watching. And it was like

1127
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:49.480
<v Speaker 3>eleven pm and we had to stop it because we

1128
00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:52.960
<v Speaker 3>were so exhausting. Yeah, we're finishing it tonight. Oh good,

1129
00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.320
<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna watch Tickle It again the fourth time.

1130
00:54:58.639 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 2>That's so funny.

1131
00:55:00.119 --> 00:55:00.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1132
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.639
<v Speaker 1>So at that point for me, I was like, something

1133
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:11.440
<v Speaker 1>nefarious is going on, Like this isn't just some weirdo

1134
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.400
<v Speaker 1>company that's doing like some kind of sex thing something.

1135
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Something's wrong, you know, like really wrong. It's sus exactly,

1136
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.800
<v Speaker 1>it's very sus So they're researching.

1137
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh.

1138
00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Then she starts harassing them.

1139
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's harassing them, and then sends to what he

1140
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:36.199
<v Speaker 1>thinks are lawyers, to representatives to New Zealand to meet

1141
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.840
<v Speaker 1>with him to stop him from doing three this.

1142
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh it was three Yeah. Oh yeah, I watched four times.

1143
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.280
<v Speaker 1>It was three to kind of stop them. The one

1144
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:50.440
<v Speaker 1>guy was super nice. I thought the guy with the

1145
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:52.960
<v Speaker 1>long gray hair was horrendous.

1146
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:54.400
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't believe it.

1147
00:55:54.679 --> 00:55:55.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was.

1148
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:55.719
<v Speaker 4>So.

1149
00:55:56.159 --> 00:55:58.280
<v Speaker 3>He was also defensive. Yeah, I mean he shook his

1150
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.000
<v Speaker 3>hands and nice to meet you. And then thirty second

1151
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:01.920
<v Speaker 3>later it was I know what you think you're trying

1152
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:04.039
<v Speaker 3>to do here? Yeah, And I'm like, why is he

1153
00:56:05.320 --> 00:56:05.920
<v Speaker 3>what the heck?

1154
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

1155
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:08.599
<v Speaker 3>And David was explaining, you know New Zealand laws, we

1156
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:11.920
<v Speaker 3>are allowed to film in public. Yeah, Like, like I said,

1157
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:14.840
<v Speaker 3>you're not researching the country that you're going to.

1158
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, why are you getting.

1159
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:17.440
<v Speaker 3>So upset and then storming off?

1160
00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, what do you have to hide? Exactly?

1161
00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:22.480
<v Speaker 1>And why did you come all the way out there

1162
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 1>just to to start off on a bad foot with

1163
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:26.280
<v Speaker 1>this guy exactly?

1164
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:26.880
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean?

1165
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:32.159
<v Speaker 3>And because David was very respectful, he was extremely Yeah.

1166
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Like he was way nice.

1167
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:35.800
<v Speaker 1>I thought to myself when that guy said I know

1168
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:38.599
<v Speaker 1>what you think you're trying to do or whatever, I

1169
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:40.280
<v Speaker 1>in my head I had like a whole argument with

1170
00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:43.320
<v Speaker 1>the guy like that as I was David, and I'm like, no,

1171
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:47.320
<v Speaker 1>mother clucker, here's what I am doing. I know what

1172
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you think you're doing, coming here to try to convince

1173
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:53.119
<v Speaker 1>me to not do it. But guess what, bud talk

1174
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:55.840
<v Speaker 1>is over. Hope you enjoyed your flight, see you later

1175
00:56:55.960 --> 00:56:57.719
<v Speaker 1>or you know what I mean? Yeah, no, bitch.

1176
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.920
<v Speaker 3>But maybe David didn't want to get off wrong. He

1177
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:03.880
<v Speaker 3>didn't because obviously they're going to talk again. Yeah, so

1178
00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.840
<v Speaker 3>they're not going anywhere in this initial meeting.

1179
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So yeah, he was very he's very professional.

1180
00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:15.480
<v Speaker 3>I gotta commend him because I got to commend David

1181
00:57:15.519 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 3>because you know, maybe it's that New Zealand thing. Yeah,

1182
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.159
<v Speaker 3>because Americans.

1183
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we would have been like like exactly like what

1184
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I say, you know what I mean? Uh yeah, And

1185
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.599
<v Speaker 1>he was so and he was very like never got

1186
00:57:27.639 --> 00:57:32.880
<v Speaker 1>angry with him, never like never, you know, never misspoke,

1187
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:34.840
<v Speaker 1>he was, but still gave the facts. He was like,

1188
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:37.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, I understand, but you know, in New Zealand,

1189
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.400
<v Speaker 1>we're not doing you know, this is the law and

1190
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:41.800
<v Speaker 1>we're allowed to blah blah blah, and so anyway blah.

1191
00:57:41.800 --> 00:57:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Like he was very nice and and yeah, and I'm like, wow,

1192
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:48.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, but I guess that's why he has a

1193
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.320
<v Speaker 1>movie out and I don't because I would have, you know,

1194
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 1>fought with the guy.

1195
00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1196
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:56.320
<v Speaker 1>So then they do that and they don't want you know,

1197
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:58.039
<v Speaker 1>the next day or whatever. They don't want the cameras

1198
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.239
<v Speaker 1>rolling in the meeting, but it sounds like they have

1199
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:05.880
<v Speaker 1>audio recording anyway. They do, and they're basically telling him

1200
00:58:05.960 --> 00:58:10.280
<v Speaker 1>you should be scared if you continue on this path,

1201
00:58:10.880 --> 00:58:13.199
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean? Would you agree, Like that's

1202
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:14.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of what they implied.

1203
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.440
<v Speaker 3>That is what they implied, and I just feel like

1204
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:21.559
<v Speaker 3>it was so weird because why is it such a

1205
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.599
<v Speaker 3>big deal? Right now? All David did was ask a question,

1206
00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:29.559
<v Speaker 3>can I do an interview? And then harassment followed after, yeah, immediately.

1207
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:31.400
<v Speaker 1>After Yeah, and he was getting all kinds of emails,

1208
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.519
<v Speaker 1>like multiple emails all the time from this Jane O'Brien

1209
00:58:34.599 --> 00:58:36.039
<v Speaker 1>media and by.

1210
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:40.159
<v Speaker 3>Debbie Koon right, yes, and he asked them have you

1211
00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:44.679
<v Speaker 3>ever met her or Jane? And they all said no, right.

1212
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:48.039
<v Speaker 2>Which is also weird, really freaking weird.

1213
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:51.079
<v Speaker 3>And when he asked, does that concern you guys, they

1214
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:54.480
<v Speaker 3>were like absolutely not, absolutely not, as if they're putting

1215
00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:57.840
<v Speaker 3>their whole entire like faith in these people.

1216
00:58:57.559 --> 00:58:59.880
<v Speaker 2>That you've never met, you've never seen before.

1217
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:04.760
<v Speaker 1>That you literally flew across the world four and haven't

1218
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:09.199
<v Speaker 1>met them, Like that's insanity. Yeah, the whole thing is

1219
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.440
<v Speaker 1>so weird. And then of course they basically you know,

1220
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:13.159
<v Speaker 1>bully him.

1221
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:16.599
<v Speaker 3>They had that coffee and the camera in the coffee cup.

1222
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that was smart.

1223
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was David points. Yeah he got points for that.

1224
00:59:21.239 --> 00:59:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's awesome. And then they were then even more

1225
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, David and Dylan were even more intrigued because

1226
00:59:27.039 --> 00:59:30.880
<v Speaker 1>they're like, yeah, what is going on? So they basically

1227
00:59:31.079 --> 00:59:36.440
<v Speaker 1>follow them back to La Yeah, and find you know,

1228
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:40.199
<v Speaker 1>obviously through their research, but they find a casting call

1229
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 1>and kind of stake it out to see what's going on,

1230
00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:47.280
<v Speaker 1>which who's at the casting call. But that one weird

1231
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:49.960
<v Speaker 1>guy that wasn't like the two adults who was like

1232
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the younger one that it.

1233
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Was like, are you care failed me? You know what

1234
00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:54.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about?

1235
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:59.000
<v Speaker 1>He was there and the gray haired man yep, and

1236
00:59:59.079 --> 01:00:00.840
<v Speaker 1>they were filming sus.

1237
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:04.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said that you can hear laughter through the events. Yeah,

1238
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. That's creepy number one, creepy number two.

1239
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:13.639
<v Speaker 3>I would feel like I am invading privacy honestly, Like

1240
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:15.760
<v Speaker 3>it seems so intimate.

1241
01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:15.880
<v Speaker 2>I know.

1242
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:21.000
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, the whole thing is so weird. And these guys,

1243
01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, some of them. Here's the other thing. Some

1244
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:27.360
<v Speaker 1>of them were underage, which I didn't understand because they

1245
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:32.360
<v Speaker 1>were Yeah. Remember the one guy, the MMA.

1246
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:34.559
<v Speaker 2>Fighter guy, Oh, he was, Yes.

1247
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:37.960
<v Speaker 1>He was saying that a guy that he had recruited

1248
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 1>was under age. And then his family got you know, notified,

1249
01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:45.679
<v Speaker 1>and they were I guess because it's not blatantly pornographic

1250
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:49.239
<v Speaker 1>that it's Okay, yeah, but that is horrible.

1251
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:51.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, those were never supposed to go out anyway, because

1252
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:53.519
<v Speaker 3>those are the auditioning tastes.

1253
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, which is also sus like, oh yeah, yeah.

1254
01:00:57.639 --> 01:01:00.800
<v Speaker 3>They had to do three levels of audition. They had

1255
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:05.199
<v Speaker 3>to do the initial one tickle test. Yeah, I hate

1256
01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:10.440
<v Speaker 3>saying that, man, hold on the I hate it.

1257
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:13.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it gives you me creus to say.

1258
01:01:13.119 --> 01:01:16.800
<v Speaker 3>That the tickle test number one was just like regular tickling,

1259
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:20.320
<v Speaker 3>and then they tied them down for tickle test too,

1260
01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:26.199
<v Speaker 3>and then for tickle Test three they like went all in. Yeah,

1261
01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:30.559
<v Speaker 3>it's just like there's steps for this. Yeah, this is chaotic.

1262
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:33.719
<v Speaker 2>It is insane. I can't even believe we're talking about that.

1263
01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:38.679
<v Speaker 3>I can because it's just I don't know, it's tickle tickling.

1264
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Man, It's just like it's so weird and wild and yeah.

1265
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:48.239
<v Speaker 1>So then so in the story, they figure out this

1266
01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:54.800
<v Speaker 1>person known as Terry DeSisto, whose alias was Terry Tickle.

1267
01:01:55.960 --> 01:01:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Stop.

1268
01:01:56.440 --> 01:01:58.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I'm getting.

1269
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.280
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna hear that, like you're gonna like lay down tonight.

1270
01:02:00.320 --> 01:02:03.159
<v Speaker 1>And then you're like you're gonna like hear a faint whisper.

1271
01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:03.800
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be like.

1272
01:02:04.519 --> 01:02:06.760
<v Speaker 3>Harry and then I'm gonna throw a hand.

1273
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:10.360
<v Speaker 2>And then nobody's there.

1274
01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh but yeah, but I'm sure Terry Tickle would wait

1275
01:02:13.719 --> 01:02:17.239
<v Speaker 3>Tickle Terry is Terry Tile, Like, oh, I just don't

1276
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:18.800
<v Speaker 3>want to talk about that.

1277
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:20.320
<v Speaker 2>He's gonna haunt our dreams.

1278
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:21.039
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

1279
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:25.039
<v Speaker 1>They so so they find out about this Terry DeSisto

1280
01:02:25.159 --> 01:02:28.440
<v Speaker 1>is behind all this, and that person had been distributing

1281
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:32.199
<v Speaker 1>tickle videos online like literally since the early nineties. And

1282
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:35.960
<v Speaker 1>then David and Dylan go and talk to this independent

1283
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.960
<v Speaker 1>tickling video producer who that guy seemed besides the whole

1284
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:41.679
<v Speaker 1>tickling thing, relatively normal.

1285
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:43.239
<v Speaker 3>He did seem normal, you know what I mean, and

1286
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.800
<v Speaker 3>didn't get any weird vibe exactly until he said he was.

1287
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:49.880
<v Speaker 2>And even then I was just like, first of.

1288
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.400
<v Speaker 3>All, the slow moe zooming of his face as he's sick.

1289
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:56.159
<v Speaker 3>That sent me over the edge.

1290
01:02:57.000 --> 01:02:59.960
<v Speaker 2>That was unnecessary. He was creepy.

1291
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:02.960
<v Speaker 3>And the music, but I know the music, I'm.

1292
01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Like, what is this?

1293
01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:07.639
<v Speaker 1>But he until that, like you said, until that part,

1294
01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:09.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Oh, this guy's normal. He just like

1295
01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:12.920
<v Speaker 1>runs basically an adult like fetish site.

1296
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And then they started.

1297
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Doing the tickling and that guy that the guy they

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01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:19.639
<v Speaker 2>were tickling. He's like, hey, bro, what's up.

1299
01:03:19.960 --> 01:03:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, I thought it was weird first, but like,

1300
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:24.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, who knows a little good tickle or something.

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01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:27.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm like he was like, I'm the risk taker. My

1302
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:28.039
<v Speaker 3>sister was like for.

1303
01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Tickling, yeah, you're such a bad boy, Like what it is?

1304
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:35.960
<v Speaker 3>It's their own.

1305
01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:38.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think I don't think that guy did

1306
01:03:38.920 --> 01:03:42.400
<v Speaker 1>it for pleasure. The guy that was getting tickled, Yeah,

1307
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.119
<v Speaker 1>I think he just wanted the money and was like whatever. Yeah,

1308
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:48.079
<v Speaker 1>like you know, and they make a few thousand dollars

1309
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:48.960
<v Speaker 1>like a pop.

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01:03:49.159 --> 01:03:51.280
<v Speaker 3>No, that that's some good money. Not gonna lie.

1311
01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you.

1312
01:03:52.559 --> 01:03:56.280
<v Speaker 1>Know, terry tickle if you around there, I don't mind

1313
01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.119
<v Speaker 1>getting pickled for a few thousands, you know.

1314
01:03:59.159 --> 01:03:59.679
<v Speaker 3>Make the cut.

1315
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:04.400
<v Speaker 1>But uh but yeah, so, oh god, I hope I

1316
01:04:04.440 --> 01:04:08.679
<v Speaker 1>don't get weird emails now and like, yeah, send us

1317
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:10.719
<v Speaker 1>feet picks already, get that now.

1318
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:11.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't want this weird.

1319
01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I swear to go, oh my god, it suchs weird

1320
01:04:14.880 --> 01:04:16.400
<v Speaker 1>DM sometimes Jesus.

1321
01:04:17.079 --> 01:04:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1322
01:04:17.840 --> 01:04:18.159
<v Speaker 4>But uh.

1323
01:04:18.199 --> 01:04:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, so they interviewed this guy and comparatively he's like, oh,

1324
01:04:23.159 --> 01:04:25.559
<v Speaker 1>I know who that is first of all, and like, yeah,

1325
01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:27.280
<v Speaker 1>they've been doing this forever and then.

1326
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I do this and blah blah blah. Like he

1327
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:29.679
<v Speaker 2>it was.

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01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:32.559
<v Speaker 1>It felt like a business, like a weird business, but

1329
01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:38.159
<v Speaker 1>a business comparatively compared to the Jane O'Brien media, which

1330
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:41.800
<v Speaker 1>felt like a weird, creepy crime syndicate, you know what

1331
01:04:41.840 --> 01:04:43.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, which, yeah, it kind of was.

1332
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Those Tickle sessions were I don't know that those were

1333
01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:48.760
<v Speaker 3>just very eerie in my opinion.

1334
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:49.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1335
01:04:49.239 --> 01:04:51.800
<v Speaker 3>Look the location that these are being filmed at. Yeah,

1336
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:57.199
<v Speaker 3>like it looks like abandoned type building. Yeah, like apocalyptic vibe, right,

1337
01:04:57.559 --> 01:05:01.960
<v Speaker 3>and it's very secluded. Number one, you know, it looks

1338
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.239
<v Speaker 3>old as I don't know what. Number two, Number three,

1339
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:08.679
<v Speaker 3>it's just a bunch of random guys. Yeah, that are

1340
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:12.559
<v Speaker 3>all in the same age range, and it's just getting

1341
01:05:12.599 --> 01:05:14.880
<v Speaker 3>tied down and going to tickle Town.

1342
01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're on the train to tickle Town.

1343
01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:22.960
<v Speaker 2>They're on the tickle train to tickle Town. Oh my god. Oh.

1344
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:25.000
<v Speaker 1>And then they interviewed that one group of guys like

1345
01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:26.880
<v Speaker 1>before it got crazy, TJ.

1346
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:30.800
<v Speaker 3>Remember TJ, the one that talked about the site that

1347
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:31.440
<v Speaker 3>was put up.

1348
01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, I felt.

1349
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:37.599
<v Speaker 3>So terrible yeah him. Yeah, And that ended up being

1350
01:05:37.599 --> 01:05:41.599
<v Speaker 3>the three hundred domain sites that Dylan found in the

1351
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:44.599
<v Speaker 3>beginning of the documentary. I could not believe it.

1352
01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and he was he was the one that was

1353
01:05:46.920 --> 01:05:50.079
<v Speaker 1>like recruited to wait, wait, wait, which one was TJ?

1354
01:05:50.119 --> 01:05:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm getting confused.

1355
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:53.599
<v Speaker 3>TJ was the one the very beginning where he was

1356
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:55.960
<v Speaker 3>the old player. He's a football player.

1357
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh where they're interviewing at the gym yea yeah yeah yeah,

1358
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:00.559
<v Speaker 2>that was insane.

1359
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:03.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you know what, I think he got off

1360
01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:05.079
<v Speaker 3>for two thousand dollars.

1361
01:06:05.239 --> 01:06:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1362
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:09.000
<v Speaker 3>And Kevin one of the guys that met David and

1363
01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:11.679
<v Speaker 3>New Zealand, he said that Kevin told him that it

1364
01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:14.840
<v Speaker 3>was a tickle torture project for the military, right, And

1365
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:18.199
<v Speaker 3>he was like that is complete made up. Yeah, I

1366
01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:22.239
<v Speaker 3>think that's complete cap Like, ain't no way. He was like, yeah, yeah,

1367
01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:24.800
<v Speaker 3>they're gonna use tiggling as a torture in a military

1368
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:26.639
<v Speaker 3>US military.

1369
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:29.639
<v Speaker 1>Right exactly, and video it, you know what I mean,

1370
01:06:29.880 --> 01:06:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and like, you know, have these random weirdos in there, like.

1371
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:37.480
<v Speaker 3>And he found he found his tape on YouTube and

1372
01:06:37.519 --> 01:06:41.440
<v Speaker 3>he emailed Jane O'Bryant and he didn't get the respond.

1373
01:06:41.119 --> 01:06:45.840
<v Speaker 1>They destroyed his life, completely destroyed his life, harassed him,

1374
01:06:46.239 --> 01:06:49.760
<v Speaker 1>sent his videos to his employers he was a football coach,

1375
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:53.039
<v Speaker 1>sent it to his school that he was coaching.

1376
01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:55.280
<v Speaker 2>At, like completely destroyed his life.

1377
01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Also way overly aggressive, just like what they did what

1378
01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:02.039
<v Speaker 1>they started with David.

1379
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:04.000
<v Speaker 3>They were making up rumors. They said that he was

1380
01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:07.960
<v Speaker 3>a child molester, right, he was a drug addict. Yeah,

1381
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:12.079
<v Speaker 3>I mean this guy got raked through the mud. Yeah,

1382
01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:14.320
<v Speaker 3>over this whole entire And then they made that website,

1383
01:07:14.360 --> 01:07:16.280
<v Speaker 3>and not only that, but they put all of his

1384
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:17.960
<v Speaker 3>personal information.

1385
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:21.800
<v Speaker 1>On a stress his phone numbers, his family, everything, like

1386
01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:30.159
<v Speaker 1>completely horrendously disgusting, ununbelievable, horrendously And what they were finding

1387
01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:33.519
<v Speaker 1>was anybody who questioned what was happening is what this

1388
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Jane O'Brien media was doing to the guys who would

1389
01:07:37.639 --> 01:07:40.280
<v Speaker 1>be like, hey is this legit? Or hey I thought

1390
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:42.960
<v Speaker 1>that video wasn't supposed to be online, that they would

1391
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:43.880
<v Speaker 1>make audition.

1392
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Our website about that guy.

1393
01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:46.280
<v Speaker 2>In their own name.

1394
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:49.039
<v Speaker 1>So it would be like having Kyle McMahon dot com

1395
01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and somebody putting up all my information these tickle videos

1396
01:07:52.480 --> 01:07:55.559
<v Speaker 1>that I thought were private, were never supposed to go anywhere,

1397
01:07:55.920 --> 01:08:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and basically destroying my life. If I questioned why this

1398
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:03.199
<v Speaker 1>video that was supposed to be private or if you stopped.

1399
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's blackmail exactly. It's it's horrendous sick.

1400
01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:12.920
<v Speaker 1>And then when they interviewed that one group of guys together,

1401
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:14.320
<v Speaker 1>there were like four or five of them. They looked

1402
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:16.239
<v Speaker 1>like they were on a soccer team or something. I

1403
01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:18.159
<v Speaker 1>was like, I think that was towards the beginning, and

1404
01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:20.239
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, this is like and then when

1405
01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:23.600
<v Speaker 1>they started like doing I was like, uh oh, I

1406
01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.399
<v Speaker 1>was like, these are like normal guys. Whople are just

1407
01:08:26.439 --> 01:08:29.199
<v Speaker 1>like whatever, I need two thousand bucks or whatever, and

1408
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:31.680
<v Speaker 1>then get kind of roped into this and then are

1409
01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:36.520
<v Speaker 1>blackmailed into continuing to do it or their lives will

1410
01:08:36.560 --> 01:08:40.479
<v Speaker 1>be ruined. Like it's insane. Oh, and how about that guy,

1411
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:41.680
<v Speaker 1>David Starr.

1412
01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:45.560
<v Speaker 3>I literally felt so bad for him, So did I

1413
01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:48.479
<v Speaker 3>when I was when his bit came on. Yeah, because

1414
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.039
<v Speaker 3>then but he didn't work for an O'Brien. He worked

1415
01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:58.119
<v Speaker 3>for Tickle Terry, right and stop laughing at that old

1416
01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:04.039
<v Speaker 3>berry and then and then Tickled Terry went to the

1417
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:07.640
<v Speaker 3>hospital for what six months, yes, and was still demanding

1418
01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:11.479
<v Speaker 3>these videos be made. Yeah, and David was what the

1419
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:14.680
<v Speaker 3>recruiter I don't think he was being tickled. But he

1420
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:16.079
<v Speaker 3>was the one that was recruiting the men.

1421
01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:17.520
<v Speaker 2>I thought he was filming it.

1422
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think he was filming and recruiting.

1423
01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1424
01:09:20.079 --> 01:09:20.239
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1425
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:23.520
<v Speaker 3>He described himself as like her little drug dealers exactly.

1426
01:09:23.640 --> 01:09:26.720
<v Speaker 3>So he didn't want to do it eventually because she

1427
01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:28.840
<v Speaker 3>wanted to then post the videos.

1428
01:09:29.239 --> 01:09:29.439
<v Speaker 2>Right.

1429
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.640
<v Speaker 1>He realized that she was posting the like audition videos,

1430
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:36.640
<v Speaker 1>which they were being told weren't going to be posted, right,

1431
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:38.279
<v Speaker 1>So he was like, that's wrong.

1432
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:42.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he took a stand, and then she completely flipped

1433
01:09:43.159 --> 01:09:46.520
<v Speaker 3>and ruined his Oh my god, those videos about his

1434
01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:48.600
<v Speaker 3>not the videos, those letters about his.

1435
01:09:48.520 --> 01:09:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Brothers, yeah, who had passed away.

1436
01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:54.920
<v Speaker 3>He was terrible having his mom like get those mail Yeah,

1437
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:55.640
<v Speaker 3>my god.

1438
01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:59.960
<v Speaker 2>It was absolutely it was insane.

1439
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:01.760
<v Speaker 3>But then it's a twist.

1440
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:06.159
<v Speaker 2>But then the twist twist go.

1441
01:10:07.439 --> 01:10:13.199
<v Speaker 3>It was actually a man named David Dematto, Yes, that

1442
01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:18.199
<v Speaker 3>was running both, oh allegedly running both Tickle Terry and

1443
01:10:19.359 --> 01:10:26.119
<v Speaker 3>Jane O'Brien media. But David Dematto, because they didn't, David Star

1444
01:10:26.399 --> 01:10:31.760
<v Speaker 3>email someone for help and he said, send this file

1445
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:35.640
<v Speaker 3>Tickle Terry, and in that zipped file.

1446
01:10:35.720 --> 01:10:37.760
<v Speaker 2>It was like all of his personal information, his.

1447
01:10:37.760 --> 01:10:41.439
<v Speaker 3>Personal information that was linked to that person. First of all,

1448
01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:45.840
<v Speaker 3>he took the social security numbers of Terry DeSisto, the

1449
01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:51.640
<v Speaker 3>real Terry DeSisto passed away and was posing as her,

1450
01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:54.039
<v Speaker 3>this deceased woman.

1451
01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:56.680
<v Speaker 2>And had credit cards in her name and everything.

1452
01:10:57.119 --> 01:10:59.560
<v Speaker 3>And then to top it all off, he was a

1453
01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:03.079
<v Speaker 3>stant principle, right, wow, assistant principle.

1454
01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:03.840
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy.

1455
01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:04.640
<v Speaker 4>Watched time.

1456
01:11:06.319 --> 01:11:10.560
<v Speaker 1>It makes you wonder like was he like recruiting people.

1457
01:11:11.279 --> 01:11:13.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they would have figured it out, like David

1458
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:16.239
<v Speaker 1>and Dylan and all, but like, was he recruiting people

1459
01:11:16.239 --> 01:11:18.640
<v Speaker 1>from schools? I guess not. But they also said he

1460
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:20.800
<v Speaker 1>was going like he would only work at a school

1461
01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:21.960
<v Speaker 1>for like a couple of years and then go to

1462
01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:22.520
<v Speaker 1>another one.

1463
01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.840
<v Speaker 2>And like, by me, it was also extremely weird.

1464
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it is insane. And then they locate this

1465
01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:35.760
<v Speaker 1>guy David Dematto, who is so weird and like reclusive,

1466
01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:39.239
<v Speaker 1>and it comes come to find out his father was

1467
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:41.439
<v Speaker 1>like a billionaire or something because he started like some

1468
01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:45.079
<v Speaker 1>big de motto and something bank or something on the

1469
01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:48.079
<v Speaker 1>stock market or something. Right, so he was basically living

1470
01:11:48.520 --> 01:11:51.520
<v Speaker 1>off of a trust fund, a trust fund, he literally was,

1471
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:52.359
<v Speaker 1>and then when.

1472
01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:55.239
<v Speaker 3>His mother passed away, he got money there, millions yep,

1473
01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:56.199
<v Speaker 3>from her estate.

1474
01:11:57.399 --> 01:11:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1475
01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:00.319
<v Speaker 1>So he was using all of this money for all

1476
01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:05.680
<v Speaker 1>these weird things and kind of bullying people into bullying

1477
01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:09.319
<v Speaker 1>people into well, like you said, blackmailing, not even bullying, blackmailing,

1478
01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:13.640
<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. Yeah, And so they learn that

1479
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:16.000
<v Speaker 1>he got He served a six month prison sentence for

1480
01:12:16.119 --> 01:12:20.279
<v Speaker 1>disabling a computer system at two different universities and retaliation

1481
01:12:20.399 --> 01:12:24.479
<v Speaker 1>against an eighteen year old. Remember that he had an

1482
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:28.039
<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old that he was doing underage shoots for him,

1483
01:12:28.119 --> 01:12:33.399
<v Speaker 1>tickle videos for David Diamato. When he went to college,

1484
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:36.399
<v Speaker 1>he was like, I'm done doing this. I remember David

1485
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:42.159
<v Speaker 1>ended up logging into his school's computer system, shutting it

1486
01:12:42.239 --> 01:12:45.640
<v Speaker 1>down and pretending that it was him the student.

1487
01:12:45.880 --> 01:12:47.560
<v Speaker 3>Is that when the secret Service came in?

1488
01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, oh my goodness. And it was at Temple University

1489
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:55.319
<v Speaker 2>in Phillies, Yes, yeah, I thought it was Drexel, Drexel, Drexel.

1490
01:12:55.399 --> 01:12:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, it was at Drexel because I remember hearing Drexeln.

1491
01:12:58.039 --> 01:12:59.720
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh my god, that's forty minutes from n.

1492
01:12:59.800 --> 01:13:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep.

1493
01:13:01.479 --> 01:13:05.800
<v Speaker 1>So he broke into their system pretending to be the

1494
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:09.039
<v Speaker 1>student all because he was like, I'm not doing videos anymore.

1495
01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:11.880
<v Speaker 1>That is beyond psychotic.

1496
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:15.600
<v Speaker 3>You can tell that David Demadel never got told no

1497
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:19.079
<v Speaker 3>exact child, yep, because that is not almost behavior.

1498
01:13:19.239 --> 01:13:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, it is like super villain behavior. It's insane.

1499
01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1500
01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:26.960
<v Speaker 1>And then they kind of, I don't want to say,

1501
01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:30.399
<v Speaker 1>stalk him, but Dylan and David end up kind of

1502
01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:32.319
<v Speaker 1>they want to talk to him because he's the one

1503
01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:35.279
<v Speaker 1>behind all of this, right, He's the one that's you know,

1504
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:40.039
<v Speaker 1>bullying and harassing David. So he wants to confront him

1505
01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:41.960
<v Speaker 1>and be like, hey, let's get on the record and

1506
01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:46.600
<v Speaker 1>have a conversation. And they finally track him down and

1507
01:13:46.880 --> 01:13:49.479
<v Speaker 1>he basically threatens him legally and blah blah blah, like

1508
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:50.319
<v Speaker 1>that was crazy.

1509
01:13:50.399 --> 01:13:53.439
<v Speaker 3>Well didn't they wait like a week or a couple

1510
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:55.399
<v Speaker 3>of days from him, because he didn't knock him out

1511
01:13:55.399 --> 01:13:58.079
<v Speaker 3>of his apartment exactly, which is also kind of weird.

1512
01:13:58.279 --> 01:13:58.800
<v Speaker 2>It's weird.

1513
01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Why are you not leave your house days on end?

1514
01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Is that covid exactly? It's so weird, Like, what are

1515
01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:06.039
<v Speaker 2>you doing?

1516
01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:10.479
<v Speaker 1>I can't go three hours without leaving my house, Like,

1517
01:14:10.840 --> 01:14:12.840
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing for five days?

1518
01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:13.279
<v Speaker 2>In our row?

1519
01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:22.279
<v Speaker 3>Tiggle very f it's tickle Tuesday. Oh, my god, let's

1520
01:14:22.319 --> 01:14:25.359
<v Speaker 3>not make that a thing. Please, I'm so close to

1521
01:14:25.399 --> 01:14:30.279
<v Speaker 3>walking out finishes by herself. No, I'm kidding, but don't

1522
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:30.680
<v Speaker 3>test me.

1523
01:14:32.319 --> 01:14:35.800
<v Speaker 1>So then he ends up contacting So his father had

1524
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:39.520
<v Speaker 1>passed away, Yes, his mother had passed away. So David

1525
01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:43.359
<v Speaker 1>ends up contacting his stepmother, which is basically had cut

1526
01:14:43.439 --> 01:14:47.119
<v Speaker 1>ties off with him m after the father died, because

1527
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:48.560
<v Speaker 1>she was like, I'm scared of him.

1528
01:14:48.880 --> 01:14:50.319
<v Speaker 2>He's insane.

1529
01:14:50.960 --> 01:14:54.680
<v Speaker 1>And she said that she was shocked that he was

1530
01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:56.720
<v Speaker 1>back in the tickle ring or whatever.

1531
01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:58.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she did, you know what I mean.

1532
01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:01.880
<v Speaker 3>And David, he never stopped.

1533
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep.

1534
01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:07.039
<v Speaker 3>And then the stepmother just tells David Domado's whole life story.

1535
01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep. Bench was like, you know what, boom.

1536
01:15:09.800 --> 01:15:12.119
<v Speaker 3>Here is this this this He was bullied as a kid.

1537
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:14.079
<v Speaker 3>They locked him in a locker as a kid. His

1538
01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:20.199
<v Speaker 3>mom was protective, you know, just trust fun. Yeah, just

1539
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:23.279
<v Speaker 3>the whole entire thing that you would assume, yep, from

1540
01:15:23.279 --> 01:15:24.079
<v Speaker 3>a person like this.

1541
01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:28.159
<v Speaker 1>So then that's the end of the film. Incredible film

1542
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:32.680
<v Speaker 1>by itself, right Then of course I'm googling and researching

1543
01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and all. And David Tomato actually sued his stepmother for.

1544
01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:38.039
<v Speaker 3>That forty dollars.

1545
01:15:38.199 --> 01:15:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he lost, which I think is hilarious.

1546
01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:43.079
<v Speaker 3>First of all, I cannot believe he didn't go to

1547
01:15:43.079 --> 01:15:46.119
<v Speaker 3>prison for everything that he did. Yeah, and on top

1548
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:48.560
<v Speaker 3>of that, he was allowed to go to law school.

1549
01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Right while he was doing his sentence. Yes, and that

1550
01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:56.359
<v Speaker 3>one guy who was speaking, he was saying, Yeah, the

1551
01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:59.319
<v Speaker 3>court system was like, yes, this is exactly who needs

1552
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:02.399
<v Speaker 3>to be a lawyer. Exactly, this guy who stole this

1553
01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:05.399
<v Speaker 3>deceased woman's identity, this one who is blackmailing this it,

1554
01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:06.800
<v Speaker 3>this needs to be a lawyer.

1555
01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:07.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1556
01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:09.039
<v Speaker 3>That is ridiculous to me.

1557
01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:10.239
<v Speaker 2>It's insane.

1558
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:12.880
<v Speaker 3>And he did it. He graduated from law school.

1559
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

1560
01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:17.760
<v Speaker 3>It is absturity, insane, Yeah, the irony in it.

1561
01:16:18.279 --> 01:16:21.279
<v Speaker 2>So then he's passed away now, David Dimatto.

1562
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:24.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh I did I did research that. Yeah, and so

1563
01:16:24.720 --> 01:16:27.239
<v Speaker 3>he can't have anything to say about this exactly.

1564
01:16:27.920 --> 01:16:31.760
<v Speaker 1>David Diamatto actively spammed and controlled a variety of news groups,

1565
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:35.600
<v Speaker 1>particularly alt dot Gothic and wreck dot Music dot Fish,

1566
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:38.960
<v Speaker 1>from roughly nineteen ninety six to nineteen ninety nine, initiated

1567
01:16:39.000 --> 01:16:43.239
<v Speaker 1>email bombings against those he considered opponents, and solicited video

1568
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:46.279
<v Speaker 1>recordings of young male adults being bound and Tickled, all

1569
01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:50.880
<v Speaker 1>while using the pseudonym alter ego Terry DeSisto, who was

1570
01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:54.119
<v Speaker 1>supposedly a female college student. Diamatto was found guilty of

1571
01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:58.119
<v Speaker 1>email bobbings, which caused services service outages at a number

1572
01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:01.239
<v Speaker 1>of colleges and universities. He was finding five thousand dollars,

1573
01:17:01.560 --> 01:17:04.159
<v Speaker 1>that's it, and spent six months in federal prison after

1574
01:17:04.199 --> 01:17:09.439
<v Speaker 1>being convicted. He died in March twenty seventeen, which was

1575
01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:13.920
<v Speaker 1>one year after Tickle came out, which I think is

1576
01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:14.760
<v Speaker 1>also interesting.

1577
01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Wait, exactly one year.

1578
01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Not to like the day.

1579
01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, so the documentary, Yeah, that would have been

1580
01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:25.159
<v Speaker 1>very weird. Yeah, that came out May twenty sixteen. He

1581
01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.000
<v Speaker 1>died in March twenty seventeen, so not even a year.

1582
01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:29.439
<v Speaker 1>That's super interesting.

1583
01:17:29.600 --> 01:17:30.359
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

1584
01:17:30.560 --> 01:17:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder where all his money went. I'm just

1585
01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:33.960
<v Speaker 2>curious that.

1586
01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:36.439
<v Speaker 3>He didn't have kids, yeah, or a spouse.

1587
01:17:36.680 --> 01:17:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1588
01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:41.479
<v Speaker 1>So then I found out on Reddit that there was

1589
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:44.840
<v Speaker 1>a follow up, a short called The Tickle King yep,

1590
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:47.520
<v Speaker 1>which I then of course got to watch.

1591
01:17:48.640 --> 01:17:51.239
<v Speaker 2>My entire night that night became consumed with this. I

1592
01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:52.039
<v Speaker 2>was like obsessed.

1593
01:17:52.279 --> 01:17:54.359
<v Speaker 3>I can tell yeah, and I can see why.

1594
01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I actually contacted David, but I want to

1595
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:01.600
<v Speaker 1>get him on and and interview him about this and

1596
01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Dark Tourists and everything else he's doing.

1597
01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Because I just need to know. I just need to

1598
01:18:07.319 --> 01:18:07.760
<v Speaker 2>talk to him.

1599
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you just need to get the more information.

1600
01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:11.720
<v Speaker 2>It's not enough, it's not I want to know.

1601
01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:16.000
<v Speaker 3>Feel content, like what I know that there are some cuts.

1602
01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:17.479
<v Speaker 3>Tell me the cuts.

1603
01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:21.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so for the Tickle King, which is like twenty minutes,

1604
01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.920
<v Speaker 1>says The follow up to Tickled features new footage documenting

1605
01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:28.279
<v Speaker 1>the bizarre and unsettling things that happened to the filmmakers. Uh,

1606
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:35.359
<v Speaker 1>which this was super super interesting. David Dimatto shows up

1607
01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:40.880
<v Speaker 1>at a festival screening of Tickled, which is.

1608
01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:47.520
<v Speaker 5>Nuts nuts When I saw well, when I heard that

1609
01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:51.920
<v Speaker 5>David Demato was in the crowd, my jaw literally hit

1610
01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:54.520
<v Speaker 5>the full Yeah, I could not believe it.

1611
01:18:54.880 --> 01:19:00.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is like the insane. Like when I say insane, lot,

1612
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.479
<v Speaker 1>that's like insane.

1613
01:19:02.760 --> 01:19:04.439
<v Speaker 3>That's really insane.

1614
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you did all of this that is all documented

1615
01:19:07.840 --> 01:19:10.840
<v Speaker 1>in this movie. And then you go to a public

1616
01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:13.039
<v Speaker 1>screening of the movie with the director.

1617
01:19:13.680 --> 01:19:17.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know what he was thinking. Yeah,

1618
01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:20.039
<v Speaker 3>he probably wanted to see it. Like they're like everybody else.

1619
01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:22.800
<v Speaker 3>What are they saying about me with the Q and

1620
01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:27.359
<v Speaker 3>A Oh yes, the Q and A. Oh my god,

1621
01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:28.720
<v Speaker 3>I forgot about the freaking Q and A.

1622
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:33.039
<v Speaker 1>He's eating popcorn while they're talking about him, like he's

1623
01:19:33.079 --> 01:19:34.720
<v Speaker 1>watching Twisters or something.

1624
01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:38.800
<v Speaker 3>It's looking so unbothered at how this documentary that he's

1625
01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:45.000
<v Speaker 3>literally ruined these people's lives. Yes, harassed, blackmailed, made up names, everything,

1626
01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.359
<v Speaker 3>the whole nine yards, everything you could think of, he did. Yeah,

1627
01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:52.720
<v Speaker 3>and he's just sitting there eating his popcorn, listening to

1628
01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:58.760
<v Speaker 3>these people ask these outrageous questions. Yeah, that are very serious. Yeah,

1629
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:02.479
<v Speaker 3>and he's this is like live in large.

1630
01:20:02.560 --> 01:20:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like he's watching TV or something.

1631
01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:10.399
<v Speaker 1>It is insane. And then the gray haired guy confronts David.

1632
01:20:11.239 --> 01:20:13.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes he does in that way, and like it

1633
01:20:13.960 --> 01:20:15.680
<v Speaker 3>wasn't a was it in the screening?

1634
01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:18.640
<v Speaker 1>It was it was a different screening because what Dylan

1635
01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:21.359
<v Speaker 1>was on one screening and David was at the other one.

1636
01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:23.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they got into it, they lobby.

1637
01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Into it, and I'm like, oh, this is good. This

1638
01:20:28.239 --> 01:20:32.319
<v Speaker 2>is the drama I live for. This is good.

1639
01:20:32.399 --> 01:20:35.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you cannot write that, you know what I mean? No,

1640
01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you cannot write if that was not a documentary, I'd

1641
01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:41.680
<v Speaker 1>be like, that's so stupid.

1642
01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:43.479
<v Speaker 2>That would never happen, you know what I mean.

1643
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:46.399
<v Speaker 1>Like if it was like a regular movie, like a

1644
01:20:46.439 --> 01:20:48.159
<v Speaker 1>fiction movie, yeah, I'd be like.

1645
01:20:48.199 --> 01:20:52.319
<v Speaker 2>That was dumb, Like that guy would never come. No,

1646
01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:55.279
<v Speaker 2>you came. They both came, came.

1647
01:20:55.600 --> 01:20:56.560
<v Speaker 3>With popcorn and all.

1648
01:20:56.760 --> 01:20:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, oh my god.

1649
01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:04.600
<v Speaker 1>And what's crazy is David says that after those kind

1650
01:21:04.600 --> 01:21:08.359
<v Speaker 1>of public screening fiascos, Yeah, never heard from.

1651
01:21:08.199 --> 01:21:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Him again, all the harassments stopped and everything.

1652
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:11.479
<v Speaker 5>Yep.

1653
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:18.359
<v Speaker 2>It's like so bizarre, so bizarre, the whole thing. So

1654
01:21:18.880 --> 01:21:20.359
<v Speaker 2>what do you think overall?

1655
01:21:20.600 --> 01:21:23.359
<v Speaker 3>I think that David de Model was behind Jane ol

1656
01:21:23.399 --> 01:21:24.119
<v Speaker 3>Brian media.

1657
01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:24.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1658
01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, obviously. Terry Tickles confirmed. Harry Tiggle could confirm what

1659
01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:36.800
<v Speaker 3>I am a just if David the Model was alm.

1660
01:21:37.640 --> 01:21:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Kidding like, uh, my friend once a uh wants to

1661
01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:44.640
<v Speaker 2>be into movies. My life has changed?

1662
01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:47.319
<v Speaker 3>Was it really that impactful for you, Kyle? Well, it's

1663
01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:51.319
<v Speaker 3>because I feel like if I was a guy, it

1664
01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:53.359
<v Speaker 3>would have it would put things a little bit more

1665
01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:54.239
<v Speaker 3>into perspective.

1666
01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:56.520
<v Speaker 2>It's so it was impactful.

1667
01:21:56.680 --> 01:21:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Like when I say my life's changed, I'm being extra

1668
01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:03.119
<v Speaker 1>But well, are you really. I mean I am to

1669
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:06.119
<v Speaker 1>a point, but I mean, like, is my life like change, Like, oh,

1670
01:22:06.279 --> 01:22:11.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm a new person, like not literally, but it was

1671
01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:17.800
<v Speaker 1>so powerful, like because it's just so unbelievable and it's real,

1672
01:22:18.279 --> 01:22:20.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. That's why I'm just like Okay.

1673
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:23.880
<v Speaker 1>So I was obsessed with another documentary which I don't

1674
01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:26.640
<v Speaker 1>know if you would like, but it is called Gray Gardens.

1675
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Which that was also a weird time in my life.

1676
01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:31.479
<v Speaker 1>My mom had just passed away. I was like kind

1677
01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:34.199
<v Speaker 1>of in a funk and not really leaving the house,

1678
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:37.880
<v Speaker 1>and I was watching like Cops reruns of like the

1679
01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:42.359
<v Speaker 1>Cops show on Pluto, and I was watching like Unsolved Mysteries,

1680
01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:46.439
<v Speaker 1>and I came upon this documentary called Gray Gardens, okay,

1681
01:22:46.479 --> 01:22:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and I became obsessed with it.

1682
01:22:48.079 --> 01:22:50.039
<v Speaker 2>I still quote it to this day. It is so

1683
01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:50.760
<v Speaker 2>weird too.

1684
01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:51.920
<v Speaker 3>What's it about?

1685
01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Though?

1686
01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:56.279
<v Speaker 3>Now?

1687
01:22:57.680 --> 01:23:01.000
<v Speaker 1>It is about the daily lives of two ages eccentric

1688
01:23:01.239 --> 01:23:06.199
<v Speaker 1>relatives of Jackie Kennedy onasas Eddie Bouvier Beale and her

1689
01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:09.640
<v Speaker 1>mother mother Edith, are the sole inhabitants of a Long

1690
01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:13.479
<v Speaker 1>Island estate. During the course of the documentary, they discuss

1691
01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:17.159
<v Speaker 1>their habits, desires, and former loves with famous filmmakers. The

1692
01:23:17.199 --> 01:23:21.560
<v Speaker 1>women reveal themselves to be misfits with outsized, engaging personalities.

1693
01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:24.279
<v Speaker 1>So basically, the just behind that, I feel like we're

1694
01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:27.279
<v Speaker 1>setting up a whole other episode now on Grey Gardens now,

1695
01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:30.319
<v Speaker 1>But the just beyond Greg Gardens is that the mansion

1696
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:34.800
<v Speaker 1>became like dilapidated, and then eventually the power company turned

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01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:36.840
<v Speaker 1>it off and the water company and blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>And so then you have these like kind of eccentric

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01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:44.199
<v Speaker 1>mother and daughter who you know, rarely if ever leave

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01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:47.840
<v Speaker 1>this state that have just lived there for decades, and

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01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:51.000
<v Speaker 1>so they like entertain themselves, they like make costumes, and

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01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:55.600
<v Speaker 1>it is so sad but also so powerful and also

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01:23:55.760 --> 01:24:00.520
<v Speaker 1>so amazing that that had a big impact on me too.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's true stories of weird things that I'm like,

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01:24:04.720 --> 01:24:08.640
<v Speaker 1>who like those really get me, you know what I mean? Yeah,

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01:24:08.680 --> 01:24:10.800
<v Speaker 1>because it's just like, you know, there's a big world

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01:24:10.840 --> 01:24:12.840
<v Speaker 1>out there and a lot of us are confined to

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01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:15.560
<v Speaker 1>our own little bubbles that I'm like, what, like somebody

1709
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.479
<v Speaker 1>could do that to somebody else with like Jane O'Brien

1710
01:24:18.520 --> 01:24:21.239
<v Speaker 1>media and all that, like and then harassed people Like

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01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:24.359
<v Speaker 1>it's just so outside of my bubble, Like I can't

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01:24:24.399 --> 01:24:27.279
<v Speaker 1>fathom somebody doing it that to know, it's real. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like a fictional movie, like it's a documentary. Is

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01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:32.199
<v Speaker 1>wild to me. Same thing with great gardens, like you

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01:24:32.279 --> 01:24:35.560
<v Speaker 1>have these these two women are it's like your grandmother

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01:24:35.680 --> 01:24:40.239
<v Speaker 1>and your aunt or something like they're well, they're very eccentric,

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01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:43.600
<v Speaker 1>like goofy and and kind of weird and unique, but

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01:24:43.840 --> 01:24:48.399
<v Speaker 1>very sweet, like so nice and you know, so it'd

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01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:50.239
<v Speaker 1>be like if you had like a really weird grandmother

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01:24:50.359 --> 01:24:53.119
<v Speaker 1>that like dressing up, or a really weird aunt that

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01:24:53.159 --> 01:24:57.039
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh that's Auntie, you know, Jess or whatever.

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01:24:57.359 --> 01:24:58.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just hews, you you know.

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01:24:59.439 --> 01:25:02.279
<v Speaker 1>But they live in this giant mansion on in a

1724
01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:08.720
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood with all these multi millionaires. Theirs looks dilapidated and

1725
01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:12.760
<v Speaker 1>they don't have money to eat or you know, have power,

1726
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:16.479
<v Speaker 1>and they live in this like giant rich thing. It's

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01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>just so fascinating to me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like so ironic. Yeah, how you're around big money

1729
01:25:22.800 --> 01:25:25.960
<v Speaker 3>and you live essentially in a house that is created

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01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:28.039
<v Speaker 3>from big money, right, you don't live the big money

1731
01:25:28.039 --> 01:25:29.000
<v Speaker 3>life exactly.

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01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:31.039
<v Speaker 3>That is very interesting.

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01:25:31.119 --> 01:25:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that film. That documentary also had a big

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01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:37.239
<v Speaker 1>impact on me. I think it's the stories, like I said,

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01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:41.039
<v Speaker 1>like where there's these weird I don't want to say outsiders,

1737
01:25:41.079 --> 01:25:44.880
<v Speaker 1>but weird outsiders, you know what I mean in ways because.

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01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:47.039
<v Speaker 3>They in a way that they are outsiders because they're

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01:25:47.039 --> 01:25:47.479
<v Speaker 3>not in the.

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01:25:47.439 --> 01:25:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Bubble right off your life exactly.

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01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:53.520
<v Speaker 3>But for me, it's similar to what you said, And

1742
01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:58.039
<v Speaker 3>it also brings l how close these things happen. Yeah,

1743
01:25:58.079 --> 01:26:01.279
<v Speaker 3>because this happened in New York Yeah, and Philly yep,

1744
01:26:01.520 --> 01:26:03.119
<v Speaker 3>you know with that guy and.

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01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:06.039
<v Speaker 1>They said he had sales all over the country exactly

1746
01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:09.079
<v Speaker 1>where he was recruiting these guys all over They named

1747
01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.119
<v Speaker 1>like twenty five cities or something exactly.

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01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:15.840
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, yeah, it's nice to see what goes

1749
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:18.399
<v Speaker 3>on to these documentaries because it is out of our bubble,

1750
01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:21.399
<v Speaker 3>but in reality, it's really close to us. Yeah, it's

1751
01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:25.119
<v Speaker 3>closer than what I think we think. Yeah it is, yep,

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01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:29.720
<v Speaker 3>because Philly is like forty minutes from us exactly. So yeah, Drexel,

1753
01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:31.680
<v Speaker 3>everyone around here knows drugs University.

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01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:32.079
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

1755
01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:34.479
<v Speaker 3>I probably have friends that have friends that go to

1756
01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:38.520
<v Speaker 3>drugs with university. It's like, dang, yeah, it happened there.

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<v Speaker 1>That is why I think I love documentaries, especially good ones,

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01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:48.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, because it does expose us to a world

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01:26:48.239 --> 01:26:49.159
<v Speaker 1>outside of our.

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01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Own, right, you know what I mean?

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01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Yep?

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01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:53.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anyway, that's tickled.

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01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:54.279
<v Speaker 3>That was crazy.

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01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Are you glad you watched it for the podcast?

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01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:01.359
<v Speaker 3>I am, because I would have come in here. I

1766
01:27:01.359 --> 01:27:04.520
<v Speaker 3>would have came in here and listened to this whole entire.

1767
01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:05.720
<v Speaker 2>You would have thought I was in insane person.

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01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't think that anyone would take to this

1769
01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:20.000
<v Speaker 3>documentary with open arms initially, Yeah, because it's just weird.

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01:27:20.079 --> 01:27:22.399
<v Speaker 3>Number One, people don't know this is a fetish. People

1771
01:27:22.399 --> 01:27:24.640
<v Speaker 3>don't even know that this is a thing. People don't

1772
01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.640
<v Speaker 3>know that this is a form of torture. I mean,

1773
01:27:27.920 --> 01:27:30.640
<v Speaker 3>it's weird. But when you get into it, when you

1774
01:27:30.680 --> 01:27:33.760
<v Speaker 3>when you put past the judgment, you know a little bit,

1775
01:27:34.359 --> 01:27:35.880
<v Speaker 3>you can find some pretty neat stuff.

1776
01:27:36.239 --> 01:27:40.880
<v Speaker 1>And some of those people in this film and involved

1777
01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:44.279
<v Speaker 1>in that, some of the people interviewed and and tickled

1778
01:27:44.600 --> 01:27:47.279
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be otherwise very very normal.

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01:27:47.520 --> 01:27:50.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you could see them in the street right then.

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01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:52.960
<v Speaker 3>The TJ guy, he said that when he went to

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01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:56.600
<v Speaker 3>the session, he said that it was normal people bodybuilders

1782
01:27:56.600 --> 01:28:01.039
<v Speaker 3>were there, Yeah, actors that acted in commercials that he had. Yeah,

1783
01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:02.920
<v Speaker 3>we're in that session.

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01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:05.800
<v Speaker 3>And even he he said, it was just you would

1786
01:28:05.840 --> 01:28:10.159
<v Speaker 3>see these people downtown, yeah, all the time, grocery store whatever.

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01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:13.039
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's what's scary about it too, right, that

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01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.199
<v Speaker 3>you think you have an image of the type of

1789
01:28:15.199 --> 01:28:17.920
<v Speaker 3>person that these people are and then they could be

1790
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.239
<v Speaker 3>just your neighbor. Yeah, at the end of the day.

1791
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:21.800
<v Speaker 3>And that's the scary part.

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01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Your neighbor could be.

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01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:30.800
<v Speaker 3>The cold serry. Wrap this up, Wrap.

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<v Speaker 1>This up, all right. That is our episode for that's

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01:28:36.479 --> 01:28:39.279
<v Speaker 1>it for today. That's it for this episode. It was

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01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, we had the delightful rapman on to talk

1797
01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:47.239
<v Speaker 1>about his giant Netflix hit, Supercel and Amanda and I

1798
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:51.439
<v Speaker 1>talked all about Tickled and The Tickle King. Tickled is

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01:28:51.479 --> 01:28:56.319
<v Speaker 1>available exclusively on Netflix and The Tickle King is available.

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01:28:56.439 --> 01:29:01.359
<v Speaker 1>The short follow up is available on YouTube. And I

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01:29:01.479 --> 01:29:04.199
<v Speaker 1>believe HBO Max don't quote me on that. In any event,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for hanging out with us. Let me know

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01:29:06.359 --> 01:29:09.680
<v Speaker 1>what you think about Tickled. All of the show notes,

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01:29:09.840 --> 01:29:11.199
<v Speaker 1>all of the links are in the show notes that

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01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:14.520
<v Speaker 1>hit hit me up and I'll see you next week.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I love you. We thank you for listening

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<v Speaker 2>to pop Culture Weekly. Here all the latest at popcultureweekly

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