Speaker 1: In this episode of pop Culture Weekly, I talk with Rapman,
Speaker 1: the genius behind Netflix's number one show supercel end Amanda
Speaker 1: Bias joins me again as we talk this crazy documentary
Speaker 1: that we watched called Tickled.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon
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Speaker 1: Nan Na, Hello, Welcome to pop Culture Weekly with Kyle McMahon.
Speaker 1: I of course am Kyle McMahon, and I thank you
Speaker 1: so much for once again joining me for another episode
Speaker 1: of pop Culture Weekly on the rotating panel of guests hosts.
Speaker 1: It didn't rotate very far this week because Amanda Bias's bag.
Speaker 2: Hi, Kyle, Hey, So how are you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm good?
Speaker 2: How are you good? How was your first episode?
Speaker 3: It was good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great, Jeff fun, Yeah good.
Speaker 1: I loved having you and you're gonna come on a
Speaker 1: lot more often, so that's great. In fact, here we
Speaker 1: are a week later. Right now, let's get in. There's
Speaker 1: so much good stuff that we got to get into.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it right now. We're gonna start off
Speaker 1: with what's out this week? So what's out this week?
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot? And last week we talked all about Twisters.
Speaker 1: We did, and it did not come out last week.
Speaker 1: It comes out this week.
Speaker 3: We're ahead of the game, so I think about it
Speaker 3: that way. We were being proactive exactly.
Speaker 1: That is very true. It's horrible that, you know, I
Speaker 1: have this pop culture show and don't know when things
Speaker 1: come out. So, but Twisters is out this week?
Speaker 3: Is it really?
Speaker 2: Which are you going to see it this weekend or
Speaker 2: now you're going to see Long Legs? Right?
Speaker 3: I do want I see Long Legs this weekend. But
Speaker 3: I think that I can do a double trip to
Speaker 3: the movie, okay Twisters, because I feel like Twisters is
Speaker 3: nostalgic for me. Yeah, so I want to see what
Speaker 3: is new?
Speaker 1: Yeah this time and better effects and like, yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: So yes, I'm probably gonna be seeing that this week
Speaker 1: and as well, and uh, Twisters the soundtrack is out too.
Speaker 2: It is it is?
Speaker 3: I listened to Luke Combe's his single yeah Ain't No
Speaker 3: Love in Oklahoma? Yes, I listened to that on the
Speaker 3: way here banger.
Speaker 2: It really is?
Speaker 1: I you and I were talking about this before the show.
Speaker 1: We've never been giant country fans, never, but I'm starting
Speaker 1: it's starting to rub off on me.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on. I feel like ever
Speaker 3: since I started working here and listening to it kind
Speaker 3: of on repeat, it's just doing something to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't do before, And I'm saying to myself, this
Speaker 3: actually isn't that bad. Why was I such a hater?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same way. I mean, there's some awesome
Speaker 1: so I love Billy Zimmerman. I love Billy zimmer Yeah,
Speaker 1: his voice is so good, his music's great. He's on
Speaker 1: there with Heller high Water, Kane Brown, who I love.
Speaker 1: Tyler Childers has this song called song while You're Away
Speaker 1: on the soundtrack that's so good. Benson Boone I love
Speaker 1: him and he's not even country, but I'm glad that
Speaker 1: he's on there.
Speaker 2: Then there's this song called Boots Don't with Shanaia Twain
Speaker 2: and Breeland. It is so good.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of a Shannaia Twain song. And who
Speaker 1: doesn't love Shania Twain. She's looking at me like me,
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry?
Speaker 2: I got your like seven you exaggerate.
Speaker 3: I'm six.
Speaker 1: Shanaya is uh hold on and let's go girls, and
Speaker 1: I'm going tonight. I'm feeling no all right, Uh okay,
Speaker 1: you're still.
Speaker 2: The one around too, the one that I be long.
Speaker 4: You know know that song?
Speaker 2: No, that don't impress me much. Oh oh oh, so
Speaker 2: you got the brains, but have you got no man?
Speaker 2: I feel lack a woman nearer.
Speaker 3: It feels familiar.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, well her songs were out in like two thousand.
Speaker 2: You weren't even born.
Speaker 3: I was born. I was born in the year two thousand.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe you've never this is a national crime,
Speaker 1: even though she's Canadian.
Speaker 2: You have to know the song.
Speaker 3: Oh I know that song?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's man, I feel like a woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard that song before. It was like in
Speaker 3: a lot of two thousands movies back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so Shanai, it sounds like a Shanaia got my
Speaker 1: add the song on the soundtrack of Twisters, Yeah, called
Speaker 1: boots Don't sounds like a Shania Twain song. Okay, which
Speaker 1: I guess makes sense because.
Speaker 3: She's on it.
Speaker 1: That was dumb, but anyway, uh yeah, so that's what's
Speaker 1: out this week?
Speaker 2: Not a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's a movie called Oddity Too that's out this week.
Speaker 1: Which did you see the trailer for that?
Speaker 2: No, of course not.
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm gonna leave. I feel attacked all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: It is like something with the occult and a psychic
Speaker 1: and a murder and all that kind of thing. So
Speaker 1: it's like right up my alley. So I want to
Speaker 1: see that too. That's it for what's out this week.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's some stuff on streaming. Uh, Simon
Speaker 1: Simone Biles.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know her, I do know her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she there's a documentary about her on called
Speaker 1: Simone Biles Rising on Netflix. Oh, Lady in the Lake
Speaker 1: Season one, which looks really good. That's on Apple TV.
Speaker 1: Plus Cobra kai season six on Netflix, which I do know.
Speaker 3: Cobra kaik I do know that, and you've seen I've
Speaker 3: never seen it, but I know it's I've seen I will.
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Karate Kid movies, which is what
Speaker 1: it's based, which it's like a sequel, now, okay.
Speaker 3: I'm kidding. I do I have seen those movies?
Speaker 1: Okay, good, Yeah, Cobra Kaie season six drops but anyway,
Speaker 1: So that's what's out this week.
Speaker 2: Kind of shure, Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Next up is what we consumed this week, which most
Speaker 1: of what I'm gonna say is gonna be saved for
Speaker 1: the feature presentation because the big the thing that has
Speaker 1: rocked my world that I consume this week is the
Speaker 1: documentary Tickled and Then, which I immediately texted you and
Speaker 1: was like, I need to talk about this. We need
Speaker 1: to do a whole episode on it. You need to
Speaker 1: watch this, and you watch it that day, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I put it on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So and now you're like me so in that regard.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about that and what we consume
Speaker 1: this week. But I did see Long Legs.
Speaker 2: Which we talked about last week, which was really really great.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's making me excited for when I
Speaker 3: see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good. And I did not realize until
Speaker 1: afterwards that Nicholas Cage is in it.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know that as like the Long Villains.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I had no idea that it was him.
Speaker 1: And then I was on Letterbox and somebody was like,
Speaker 1: Nicholas Cage is amazing, and I'm like, what he wasn't
Speaker 1: in that. And then I looked and him, like what.
Speaker 3: Wait, so you don't see him in the film.
Speaker 2: No, he's wearing makeup.
Speaker 3: Oh so you can't recognize him.
Speaker 2: I did not recognize him at all.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and like it's Nicholas Cage. Of course I
Speaker 2: know who it is.
Speaker 3: I did by the voice, like I know that voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not even Yeah, it's amazing. I loved
Speaker 2: it so much. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gave it a great obviously log on letterbox.
Speaker 1: But what did you consume this week? Besides tickled?
Speaker 3: I watched Mamaya Oh yeah, the first one, via recommendation
Speaker 3: by my friend. It was my first time watching it,
Speaker 3: and I loved it. Okay, it was pretty nice.
Speaker 2: Did you like the music?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was music was good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I so, I like Abbas music.
Speaker 1: It was like a big disco or a big band
Speaker 1: that did a lot of disco in I guess, like
Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties and sixties.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I liked them from my mom.
Speaker 1: But it's just not my like wedding and romance.
Speaker 3: And all, so normally that wouldn't be my thing either.
Speaker 3: I'm not big on Romance. First of all, I went
Speaker 3: in not knowing anything about it. Okay, I didn't even
Speaker 3: I didn't watch no trailer, I didn't read no blurb
Speaker 3: about it. My friend was just like, watch this movie,
Speaker 3: and I said, Okay, it's a musical. That's all I knew.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know it was a Jukeboppies musical, so
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, And I don't know. I kind
Speaker 3: of liked it. I mean, it wasn't wow to yeah,
Speaker 3: but it was something that I feel like I could
Speaker 3: put on in the background. It's a summer movie, good vibes,
Speaker 3: good feels, and I really did enjoy watching it, Okay,
Speaker 3: But I don't know if I would put it on regularly.
Speaker 2: Right right, you know, I feel like like to actively watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is how it is. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: put it on, but if it was on, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: turn it off. Okay, That's how it is for me.
Speaker 2: All right, you know? All right?
Speaker 3: So that was good.
Speaker 2: What about any of your reality shows?
Speaker 3: Oh, I watched d Fiance as always, I'm watching I'm
Speaker 3: kind of rewatching before the ninety days, so it's just
Speaker 3: a lot of drama that I live off of. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I just I love it so much.
Speaker 1: And what No, it's just funny that you're like, it's
Speaker 1: just a lot of drama that I live off of.
Speaker 3: I live off of this stuff. I'm not kidding. I
Speaker 3: follow these people on Instagram, like, I watched videos on
Speaker 3: YouTube about them, and so I I can read the
Speaker 3: comments because I want to know what people are thinking
Speaker 3: during these scenes, these crazy scenes, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I need to know. I run to YouTube and I
Speaker 3: type in the exact scene that I'm watching, like at
Speaker 3: the moment, and I just read people's comments. I'm thinking
Speaker 3: to myself, I cannot be the only one that thinks
Speaker 3: that this is crazy, and I want to know what
Speaker 3: people are saying about it. So I watched that, and
Speaker 3: then I obviously watched House of the Dragon every single
Speaker 3: Sunday at nine, I'm tuned in, I'm sat and that
Speaker 3: was amazing as always, Yeah, episode I don't know, I
Speaker 3: think five. I don't really keep track whenever, whenever it
Speaker 3: comes down. And then I rewatched Twister, and yeah, in
Speaker 3: honor of Twister is coming out this week, and that
Speaker 3: took me back. That took me back to childhood days.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize how terrible, not terrible, but how liked
Speaker 3: dated it was. I don't want to say terrible. Dated,
Speaker 3: it was just very dated. And as a kid, I'm
Speaker 3: watching it and I'm like, Okay, this is really good,
Speaker 3: and then as an adult you watch it and you're like,
Speaker 3: was it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 3: The plot was still there. I love I love that storyline.
Speaker 3: It's so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that movie. I'll probably do the same thing.
Speaker 1: She said, Yeah, you know, watch it before I go
Speaker 1: see Twisters this weekend. Did you ever watch my I
Speaker 1: Love A Mama's Boy.
Speaker 3: I've seen it on Discovery, Yeah, but I haven't watched it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, don't tell me.
Speaker 2: It is so good.
Speaker 3: God, if I start a new series in reality TV,
Speaker 3: I am You're not going to see me for a
Speaker 3: good couple weeks. Like, oh my god. You gotta be
Speaker 3: careful with reality TV and me because that is my
Speaker 3: favorite genre.
Speaker 2: It is so I don't watch a lot of TV.
Speaker 1: I watch more movies, or I would say, like probably
Speaker 1: seventy percent movies thirty percent, and.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm thirty percent movie, so many percent.
Speaker 2: Well, I Love A Mama's Boy.
Speaker 1: I was glued to Discovery plus God, yeah, it is dramatic.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Dramatic isn't even the word.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm seated.
Speaker 2: Yeah too.
Speaker 1: It is so good and I can't wait till you
Speaker 1: watch it so we can talk about it, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And I can relate to some of it and some
Speaker 1: of it. I'm like, some of them, the girls, the
Speaker 1: fiances or whatever. The girlfriends are insane, you know, some
Speaker 1: of them the moms are insane. Yeah, some of them.
Speaker 1: It's like, you guys don't know what a healthy relationship is,
Speaker 1: so like, just shut up. The other ones, I'm like, oh, mom,
Speaker 1: that's like a little bit, you know, a little bit much.
Speaker 1: And I'm a mama's boy, not like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: some of these are really extreme. Clarification, Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: some of these are very extreme. However, some of them,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I would totally ask my mom's opinion
Speaker 1: on who I'm going to marry, or you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, or like, the fiance may be.
Speaker 2: Like, what do you mean your mom doesn't like me? Bah? Well,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. You gotta watch it. It's so good. I can't
Speaker 2: wait till you watch it.
Speaker 3: In Ninety Day Fiance, there are a couple of in
Speaker 3: laws that. I just immediately when they come on, I
Speaker 3: just want to turn it off.
Speaker 2: Who was the girl?
Speaker 3: Tell me I probably know.
Speaker 2: Is her name Nicole? Nicole Okay, a big, big blonde girl.
Speaker 3: Nicole and on, Yes, from Morocco.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: And she had a had like a three year old. Yes, Yes,
Speaker 3: I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I was so angry she had her child calling him daddy.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 2: Within like a month, what was.
Speaker 3: Her name, May? Her name was May, I think.
Speaker 2: Was the baby David child and like crazy, she is insane.
Speaker 3: She took her to Morocco. I couldn't believe it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was an insane story. That was. That's one of
Speaker 3: the most insane storylines. Because they went on ninety Day Fiance.
Speaker 3: They they went on to the next season after when
Speaker 3: they debuted. I don't know if they were on happily
Speaker 3: ever after her. I don't think so, but I could
Speaker 3: be wrong because it's it's hard to keep up. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but but yeah, and she would get mad at him
Speaker 3: for not wanting to like hold her hand out in public,
Speaker 3: and he would, you know, explain to her culture, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, we don't do that, we don't do that.
Speaker 3: She would blow off, Yes, but he would also say
Speaker 3: that she was fat yeah, and unhealthy, yeah, and he
Speaker 3: would just degrade her.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it was too much of a cultural thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they even taking the cultural thing out. She's
Speaker 2: absolutely psycho. Yeah, like.
Speaker 1: None of any of what you showed was a healthy
Speaker 1: relationship nothing, you know. And if if that, if I
Speaker 1: was that child's son or I'm sorry, that child's father,
Speaker 1: would I would take him to court, take her to court,
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, I would get a court order
Speaker 1: that she is not allowed to introduce my child to
Speaker 1: her boyfriend or whatever until whatever a year or whatever,
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna mess up my child's head because
Speaker 1: you're nuts, you know what I mean. Haven't calling him
Speaker 1: daddy that you He hadn't even ever met her. It
Speaker 1: was through FaceTime or whatever, Like her mom.
Speaker 3: Was trying to talk sense to her, and she would
Speaker 3: always say no, no, I love A loves me. We're
Speaker 3: gonna clearly didn't work out. Yeah, but oh my god,
Speaker 3: I know that was just terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was.
Speaker 1: It made me so angry that I literally I think
Speaker 1: I went to look for on Instagram and like I
Speaker 1: was gonna like just blast her.
Speaker 3: I follow hersta she's like a she like does twitch
Speaker 3: like twitch streams. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was literally.
Speaker 1: Going to blast her, and then I'm like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: this was like four years ago, and watching it's.
Speaker 3: Still relevant kind of. I mean I think that if
Speaker 3: it's on the streaming service, it's still relevant.
Speaker 2: True, that's very true.
Speaker 3: But what were gonna say, I'm curious tour.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, I was gonna be like, you're legitimately an
Speaker 1: insane person and a horrible parent.
Speaker 2: You should lose custody of your child.
Speaker 1: That that child would literally be better growing up by
Speaker 1: a pack of wolves in the forestsh than you, because
Speaker 1: you are damaging that child with your disgusting selfishness.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's all nic that.
Speaker 3: Just a little nice no, little nice comment. No like
Speaker 3: people do not. Allot of ninety funds fans do not
Speaker 3: like her. They don't. Yeah, I don't know if she's
Speaker 3: one of the most hated though. There's a lot of psychos.
Speaker 2: In there are.
Speaker 1: And here's the other thing, nobody knows somebody well enough
Speaker 1: in ninety days. I had red box movies out from
Speaker 1: the freaking red box longer than these people have known
Speaker 1: each other. And they're getting married, like.
Speaker 3: Some of them make it though there was. There's one
Speaker 3: couple named David and Nanny. They met and they met
Speaker 3: for like and he took a cruise to the dr
Speaker 3: where she was from. I think they hung out for
Speaker 3: two days and they got married. They got the ninety
Speaker 3: day visa, she came over. He had a son, and
Speaker 3: to this day, I believe that they're still together.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, and I'm not saying it never works. I
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 3: It's like rare, Like do you have some really like
Speaker 3: not even like point zero zero point five percent? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it is extremely rare, but it does happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like that's more. I don't know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of there's a lot of names in
Speaker 3: ninety Day. Yeah, so it's like and I know all
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: I was putting it on when I was like when
Speaker 1: i'd be like cleaning my house or.
Speaker 2: Like folding laundry or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'd be like, here's something mindless, I don't
Speaker 1: have to watch, But then I would get sucked in.
Speaker 3: It's addicting, and then there's any day happily ever after
Speaker 3: ninety Day. The other way where they go to the countries,
Speaker 3: which is my favorite. It's my favorite.
Speaker 2: Okay, off to watch that.
Speaker 3: One ninety day. The other way, the Americans go to
Speaker 3: the countries. One woman goes to the India, one goes
Speaker 3: to the South care Ha, one goes to Ethiopia. In
Speaker 3: these culture shocks, It's so it's so interesting to watch
Speaker 3: for me because I'm watching it as you know, like
Speaker 3: the American like, oh my god, what would I do
Speaker 3: in a situation? What would I do if I had
Speaker 3: to go to India and see this or what? You know,
Speaker 3: would I do that? Or would I like what? So
Speaker 3: I think that their reactions, not all of the time,
Speaker 3: is how I react. I think that sometimes they're just
Speaker 3: they're not doing research. They're not doing research in the country,
Speaker 3: and it's like, I mean, if you would have done research,
Speaker 3: you would have known that this is what to expect.
Speaker 3: So for me, I would just do extra research and
Speaker 3: like just try to understand. But I feel like these
Speaker 3: people don't.
Speaker 1: Well, I feel like you're also smart enough to know
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't move to a country for somebody you
Speaker 1: barely know.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, Like that's.
Speaker 3: Just I think I gotta be talking to you for
Speaker 3: like three years and we have had to have met
Speaker 3: a couple of times to even get to that situation, right.
Speaker 2: Like that's insane, Like it's it's nuts.
Speaker 3: But a lot of them do do it because the
Speaker 3: woman is pregnant, right, which is worse in my opinion,
Speaker 3: because why are you taking your One of them was
Speaker 3: pregnant or had a baby. And she went to Ethiopia,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, Ethiopia of all places, and you're an American.
Speaker 3: And her father was a doctor and her mom was
Speaker 3: a nurse, and she wanted to have the baby in Ethiopia.
Speaker 3: I don't remember if she did, but it's just it's
Speaker 3: just crazy stuff. And she went to go to the
Speaker 3: to the birthing facility and she saw the conditions and
Speaker 3: they were not good in comparison to America, and it
Speaker 3: was just crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I feel like so many of those people are like
Speaker 1: need very intensive therapy because.
Speaker 3: But not but not too much, because I still want my.
Speaker 2: Drama, drama.
Speaker 1: Don't get too fits that you're you're right, all right,
Speaker 1: let's uh, we're gonna take a quick break.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're gonna do the interview that
Speaker 1: I did with Ratman all about supercel on Netflix. We'll
Speaker 1: be back in sixty all right, thanks for hanging out
Speaker 1: with us. Thanks for rocking it through the commercial break
Speaker 1: with our sponsors that keep this show going. So, Amanda,
Speaker 1: I talked with Ratman, who is the genius, creator, writer, director,
Speaker 1: show runner of Supercel. Have you seen this? No, so
Speaker 1: it is blown up. It came out last week. I
Speaker 1: believe this is blown up on Netflix and it's number
Speaker 1: one on Netflix like around the world. Oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it is really good. So the log line is
Speaker 1: when five ordinary South Londoners discovered that they have ordinary powers,
Speaker 1: it's down to one man to bring them together to
Speaker 1: save the woman he loves.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's a show.
Speaker 2: It's a show, yep it is what eight eight episodes.
Speaker 1: I believe each episode takes the point of view of
Speaker 1: one of the characters.
Speaker 3: Oh so it's like Bridgerton but with seasons.
Speaker 2: I've never seen that.
Speaker 3: Oh never one.
Speaker 2: My mom used to watch that.
Speaker 3: I don't watch that, So this is like anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so I don't know, but yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: cool that each episode, so it's actually.
Speaker 2: Six episodes it seems for season one.
Speaker 1: But each episode is a different point of view from
Speaker 1: one of the characters.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, let's jump right into my interview with Ratman.
Speaker 2: How are you man? Great to talk to you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well, thank you for giving me your time, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm goodem plain awesome.
Speaker 1: So, first of all, congratulations on super Sol. It is
Speaker 1: an incredible and its success is well deserved. I want
Speaker 1: to go back, if you don't mind, first, and then come.
Speaker 2: Back up to Supercell.
Speaker 1: You started in music and you were doing videos and
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Why was it so important for
Speaker 1: you to have this visual element with your music.
Speaker 4: I think it's just my love of visual storyteller.
Speaker 6: Man, I'm a massive storyteller, a story just a storyteller
Speaker 6: fan and genuine life. Story is always like my biggest thing.
Speaker 6: But I never saw the videos, the music videos to
Speaker 6: the songs I wanted to hear, like give me the Loop,
Speaker 6: give me the Loot. I would die for that video
Speaker 6: from Biggie You never came Nah was dying love jay
Speaker 6: Z a week ago. All of the like all of
Speaker 6: the stories, videos and songs I love, they've had visuals.
Speaker 4: So I was kind of doing it for other people
Speaker 4: like me who never got the videos that they wanted.
Speaker 1: One Okay, I love that and from that you you you.
Speaker 2: Really became interested, you know, or really focused.
Speaker 1: I should say it is on on storytelling through a
Speaker 1: visual element.
Speaker 2: Is that accurate?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like that kind of it kind of started realizing
Speaker 6: that's what came easiest to me, and that's that got
Speaker 6: the most reception. Because I was starting to release regular
Speaker 6: songs and they were doing well and they took me.
Speaker 6: They were harder for me to write. But when I
Speaker 6: went into my story bag, it's like it was easier.
Speaker 6: The reception came and I saw it just became my
Speaker 6: goal to and I was like, and I was kept
Speaker 6: at it.
Speaker 1: And who were some of your influences back then, both
Speaker 1: visually and musically musically?
Speaker 6: It was definitely two Pat Biggie Nas jay Z. That's
Speaker 6: that's the short story. Film wise, I loved I loved
Speaker 6: John Singer and I the Shoes Brothers.
Speaker 4: Those are the main two our store.
Speaker 6: But those are the like when I watched Minister Siety
Speaker 6: and Boys and with those days when I was younger.
Speaker 4: Those are like run that kind of like London.
Speaker 6: Like our part of London, and before the two movies,
Speaker 6: I never saw anything like the poverty area part of
Speaker 6: London that I lived on screen, so all the big
Speaker 6: John Singleton fan and and the Shues brothers.
Speaker 1: And so then you you caught the attention of jay
Speaker 1: Z of all people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that was crazy. That was literally that came
Speaker 6: up as one of the these musical narrated shoots I
Speaker 6: was doing. It just went viral in the UK, and
Speaker 6: then it got to a person in the UK who's
Speaker 6: who was very close to jay Z, and jay Z
Speaker 6: quite sent to him and he was excited bout it.
Speaker 4: And then next and I know I was meeting him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and you signed with rock Nation, Yeah, which
Speaker 1: is you know, incredible and uh and then you know
Speaker 1: you started to continued, I should say, to do projects
Speaker 1: which led us leads us to super Cell?
Speaker 2: What what?
Speaker 1: Why did you want to tell the story in Super Cell?
Speaker 4: I think the.
Speaker 6: Whole superheroes, superpower genres just in a general that I've
Speaker 6: always loved, but I've never really seen representation in it
Speaker 6: outside of Black Panther or Black Lading, basically outside of
Speaker 6: Marvel in DC. It was a genre that I don't
Speaker 6: feel like efning minorities in general had a lot of.
Speaker 4: Presencing. And also on top of that, I never.
Speaker 6: Believed the whole Get Powers, Get Cape, gets fandex. I
Speaker 6: never understood that because I wouldn't think to do that,
Speaker 6: and if I asked five of my friends, that wouldn't
Speaker 6: be there first of all. So I was like, imagine
Speaker 6: people from where we are from founding tool, like us
Speaker 6: get powers, what would re really do? And that would
Speaker 6: just be like the big conversation of fun and games.
Speaker 6: I was like, you know, this needs to be a show.
Speaker 6: And I suppose that's that's where it came from. You're
Speaker 6: just the curiosity of normal people getting these powers, normal
Speaker 6: people seeing the powers, and just seeing how they react
Speaker 6: to it.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you say that because my godson, Aiden
Speaker 1: is black and white, and I took him to see
Speaker 1: Across the or Smiles Mouse, the Spider Verse movie, and
Speaker 1: you know, he was so hyped to see it, and
Speaker 1: and I didn't get it because of my ignorance. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I love I think he's awesome too,
Speaker 1: but like, why are you so.
Speaker 2: You know, like obsessed?
Speaker 1: And he was like, I've never seen a superhero that
Speaker 1: looked like me. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that is like, holy crap.
Speaker 2: You know, in my own ignorance.
Speaker 1: I don't see that, and he he opened my eyes
Speaker 1: to that, you know, and it made me realize how
Speaker 1: powerful representation is and how representation matters. Because there's my
Speaker 1: little godson who was like that guy looks like me,
Speaker 1: you know, because he has the he has his own
Speaker 1: little fro and and he identifies with him.
Speaker 2: And that's so.
Speaker 1: Important, you know, It's so important in media.
Speaker 2: And so I love that for you. You know, you
Speaker 2: were like, well, I.
Speaker 1: Don't see what I don't see what I want to
Speaker 1: see on screen that represents me.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to make it.
Speaker 6: That's this year. I made this show. I made the
Speaker 6: show that I wanted to watch. That's literally I've done that.
Speaker 6: Everything in there is my taste first and hoping that
Speaker 6: everybody else lapsing.
Speaker 4: But that's literally the show I wanted to see on TV.
Speaker 2: And So where did this go for you?
Speaker 1: From kind of you know, idea in your head to Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a project. This is going
Speaker 1: to be, you know, my next thing that I'm putting
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten percent into.
Speaker 6: It was kind of like I've just someone asked me
Speaker 6: about the idea before I knew I had the idea
Speaker 6: someone does say asked me and.
Speaker 4: Said, well, are you going to do next?
Speaker 6: This is when I was promoting my last project, and
Speaker 6: then the superstar idea that wasn't really it wasn't called
Speaker 6: super soll done, it was just normal people with powers
Speaker 6: came into my head.
Speaker 4: And I spoke out loud. But then I went on
Speaker 4: a meeting with Netflix and they.
Speaker 6: Asked me, what have you got? What do you want
Speaker 6: to do next? And I'm just stating. They're eating the
Speaker 6: free food that they brought me, and I came to
Speaker 6: my idea and I said, okay, anything else and I
Speaker 6: said no, I'm not really must have something. I was like, oh,
Speaker 6: I didn't know. It's what it told me. I suppose
Speaker 6: a general, So I said, hey, what is algrad there?
Speaker 6: Normal people like me with powers, no fan exlowcaps And
Speaker 6: they went quiet while I'm eating my food, and I
Speaker 6: looked up and it looked that looked like it excited
Speaker 6: them the way it excited my group of friends. And
Speaker 6: I was like, you know what, this is something I
Speaker 6: should work on. So in the lockdown. During the lockdown,
Speaker 6: I just really got to work on it. I just
Speaker 6: went to work in it and just just put it
Speaker 6: all together and then send it to Netflix and they
Speaker 6: wanted to make it.
Speaker 2: I love that. And how did you decide?
Speaker 1: Because I imagine it's got to be you know, if
Speaker 1: you get to create this universe.
Speaker 2: Of powers, and obviously there's there's.
Speaker 1: So many, you know, unlimited stories that you could tell
Speaker 1: and unlimited powers that you could you know, use, how
Speaker 1: did you kind of narrow it down to these particular
Speaker 1: people and and those particular powers.
Speaker 6: The people came first, and because I say it in
Speaker 6: a very specific part of London. I know, the London
Speaker 6: that the world and I was usually his key front
Speaker 6: kid is very you know, very different to the South London.
Speaker 6: South London is probably the most get old, poverty driven
Speaker 6: part of London. And in London, those five characters are
Speaker 6: based there representation not everybody, but a wild range of
Speaker 6: different people in London. A delivery guy who you know
Speaker 6: is out every day, the street kid who's still doing
Speaker 6: the gang staff for a dad who's trying to get
Speaker 6: his reformity back on trap by, you know, trying to
Speaker 6: get his future aig so you can see his child.
Speaker 6: Just basically, all these five people different parts of London.
Speaker 6: I wanted to show different parts of South London specifically.
Speaker 4: So once I got them done, the.
Speaker 6: Type of characters that apple were fine and I could
Speaker 6: be late to I then just started thinking, okay, what
Speaker 6: powers would these people have? And it didn't match the
Speaker 6: powers with the personality because I feel that personality gets
Speaker 6: done more and over the development stage. So when I realized,
Speaker 6: for example, our lead character Michael would have to save
Speaker 6: his woman by finding these groups of people, I said,
Speaker 6: if this guy hasn't got some sort of teleportation, we're
Speaker 6: gonna have a lot of things where he's driving. There's
Speaker 6: gonna be a lot of things with this guy driving
Speaker 6: to people. So I said, you know what, let's give
Speaker 6: him something swift where you can get.
Speaker 4: There and get this.
Speaker 6: We don't have to spend the story explaining how did
Speaker 6: he get there so far, because I don't like it
Speaker 6: when I see TV shows and the time jump for
Speaker 6: one minute they're there, then all of a sudden they're there.
Speaker 4: So we've done that.
Speaker 6: And then staying with the other character, our father who's
Speaker 6: trying to see some hasn't got any money, get super strength.
Speaker 4: What does that do for him?
Speaker 6: Absolutely nothing, unless you're going to do the whole criminal
Speaker 6: activity thing that got you in.
Speaker 4: This position in the first place.
Speaker 6: So basically the quite short and more put, the powers
Speaker 6: that would make it the most the biggest obstacle or
Speaker 6: the biggest you know, Drey and what would make the
Speaker 6: story more entertaining. But it turns things that FREDI s clean.
Speaker 6: The characters adapted the powers so well the cost it
Speaker 6: feels like it matches their personality.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't my intention.
Speaker 2: Okay, I love that.
Speaker 1: And uh and for Supercell, you know, it is a
Speaker 1: unabashedly black which I think is incredible in the fact
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to be uh spoiler free, but particularly
Speaker 1: with how they have their powers, you know. And uh,
Speaker 1: and I think that that is extremely smart. How you
Speaker 1: worked that, uh, work that into it? Did you as
Speaker 1: you're doing it? You know, as you're writing and developing
Speaker 1: the series? Uh, did you do those little I don't
Speaker 1: want to say easter eggs, but those little kind of
Speaker 1: things knowing that it was kind of a nod to
Speaker 1: that or was it kind of like just kind of
Speaker 1: happened as you were, you know, developing and writing.
Speaker 4: Now, when I.
Speaker 6: Decided I was going to do a superhero show, and
Speaker 6: I always like to know where the powers come from.
Speaker 6: When I watched superhero shows and the powers there's no
Speaker 6: explanations of powers.
Speaker 4: I always kind of get married, like my favorite one
Speaker 4: of my.
Speaker 6: Favorite show is Heroes, And to this day we know
Speaker 6: where the empowers came from.
Speaker 4: They were just powers, you know.
Speaker 6: And I still love the show, But I still I
Speaker 6: would love someone to give me that question. So when
Speaker 6: I was thinking I knew I was going to do
Speaker 6: an all black cars show, that was always going to
Speaker 6: be the case, I was just like, Okay, what can
Speaker 6: be their power? And you know, obviously we're reference reference
Speaker 6: into simple cell right now.
Speaker 4: It just it just makes so much sense. Man. It's
Speaker 4: a disease that predominantly.
Speaker 6: Hurts darker skin, you know, and if and I never
Speaker 6: understood that because skin color is just complexion.
Speaker 4: Man it's not. It doesn't.
Speaker 6: I don't understand why there is a disease that predominantly
Speaker 6: brings the darker skinned community done. So I think, you
Speaker 6: know what, if something can make us weak, let's do
Speaker 6: something to strengthen us, something to turn it on his
Speaker 6: head and make people living with it full seen. And
Speaker 6: on the top of that, let's raise awareness. Because you
Speaker 6: can walk into a room with ten people and ask
Speaker 6: what do you know about who you put your hand up,
Speaker 6: if you know how to sickle cell, if you have
Speaker 6: more than three hands up, you're in a really good room.
Speaker 4: Because no one really knows about it.
Speaker 6: So if you know, it's raised a lot of awareness
Speaker 6: and it's had a lot of people living with it
Speaker 6: full stein and feel heard. And I'm really happy about that.
Speaker 2: And you should be. It's an incredible thing for you.
Speaker 1: So currently it's number one on Netflix, which has got
Speaker 1: to be insane, and it's well deserved.
Speaker 2: What did you do when you got that news?
Speaker 4: It was crazy because I used to watch the trades
Speaker 4: I've been watching. I'll always read the trades. I'll be
Speaker 4: the trades every day.
Speaker 6: And I always used to see the list of top
Speaker 6: ten on Netflix, and I always pull that list was
Speaker 6: just the American list of the US, but it was
Speaker 6: it was okay, you could be number two in America,
Speaker 6: but number one in eighty five other countries, and they
Speaker 6: talented like that.
Speaker 4: So I remember calling Netflix, are we number one in America? Economics?
Speaker 7: I know we're number two, number one, yet number one
Speaker 7: number one? Still, like wraps, it doesn't matter if you're
Speaker 7: number one in one territory. Netfltak said, yes, US is
Speaker 7: the biggest territory, but it's about where you are globally,
Speaker 7: and I was like, okay. So then when I got
Speaker 7: the call, I got the call to say, look, we
Speaker 7: think you're going to be global number one this week,
Speaker 7: and that to me is crazy because Netflix is in
Speaker 7: every home. So if you're number one globally, the math
Speaker 7: eyes I've seen your work as a creator, that's just
Speaker 7: like it was just it was such a win man
Speaker 7: our text, all the cars and we all kind of just.
Speaker 4: Celebrated with emojis and happiness.
Speaker 6: Because you have to understand that we were a small
Speaker 6: show compared to all the big shows.
Speaker 4: We're not and we're a brand new show.
Speaker 6: And any one in the TV will tell you launching
Speaker 6: a brand new IP is very hard, especially if you
Speaker 6: haven't got non talent in not that it's hard. So
Speaker 6: the fact that we went with little promotion and became
Speaker 6: number one just not a word of mouth.
Speaker 4: It was really nice one really nice to them.
Speaker 1: And it's and it's a testament to your work and
Speaker 1: the work of you know, the entire casting crew, but
Speaker 1: ultimately your vision, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So that's that's huge.
Speaker 1: Of course, So I heard that you actually used a
Speaker 1: specific kind of camera that captures black skin more accurately.
Speaker 2: Is that writer, am I Nah.
Speaker 6: They got the artcle that first launched that they didn't
Speaker 6: have any bad attentions, They just miss heard.
Speaker 4: How we've explained it.
Speaker 6: At the time when we filmed the camera called the
Speaker 6: Iver thirty five great camera just launched. There was like
Speaker 6: maybe four of them in England at the time, and
Speaker 6: every production company I was about the film and wanted
Speaker 6: them and we needed them and we got them. The
Speaker 6: camera's amazing, but it wasn't just the camera. The camera's
Speaker 6: great and low last, so that helps obviously with darker
Speaker 6: skin tone, but we specifically went out the way to
Speaker 6: make sure all the dark skin was litting well. And
Speaker 6: I think the reason why it was it's not normally
Speaker 6: because if you took about your majority show just's I
Speaker 6: say stranger things for example, I'm not saying it's not
Speaker 6: little well, but because obviously the majority of casts is white,
Speaker 6: you get one black. If there's a seemable sixth of
Speaker 6: the heroes there, the light is going to favor the
Speaker 6: majority in the shot. So sometimes the darker skin tone
Speaker 6: kind of falls on the full flat because it's not
Speaker 6: the right lighting what weve done because we had a
Speaker 6: majority black cart. We brought on a makeup artist who's
Speaker 6: great at doing makeup for darker skin. We brought someone
Speaker 6: that knows how to light darker skin. We had this
Speaker 6: camera which is great in low light. But it was
Speaker 6: the marriage of all the things together, specifically owned to
Speaker 6: make black skin look.
Speaker 4: As beautiful as it is. And yeah, that was it.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't just one thing that's cool.
Speaker 1: And thank you for clarifying that, because that seems to
Speaker 1: be out there right now.
Speaker 4: So I was like, what's this magical camera? I don't
Speaker 4: know there.
Speaker 2: Uh where? Obviously this was season one.
Speaker 1: I had read somewhere that your plan is for a
Speaker 1: three season arc.
Speaker 2: Is that accurate? Is that still where you're what you're thinking?
Speaker 6: Now, I've got a minimum free story. You had a
Speaker 6: free story arc in my head. I know where it
Speaker 6: goes for free seasons. Not to say you couldn't go
Speaker 6: past it made sense. I've got free season story in
Speaker 6: my head. Yeah, that's how I've always told Netflix, I've got.
Speaker 4: Three seasons in me if you look, give me the
Speaker 4: seasons basically.
Speaker 1: And so now based on have you already worked, written
Speaker 1: or developed season two or are you starting to get
Speaker 1: into that now.
Speaker 4: We haven't.
Speaker 6: I haven't written an episode of it properly yet, but
Speaker 6: I've joined down the character arcs and things like that,
Speaker 6: and because.
Speaker 4: I know there was so it doesn't actually take me
Speaker 4: long to ride the episodes. It's just a way. If
Speaker 4: a Netflix suppresed that green button, man, that's.
Speaker 2: Ways it's coming for sure.
Speaker 1: And do you know?
Speaker 2: Do you uh?
Speaker 1: It's a streaming for for those that are watching or listening,
Speaker 1: is obviously a little bit different in the development process
Speaker 1: because typically if you've been green light for a greenlight
Speaker 1: for a season two, you're already you know, you know,
Speaker 1: you're working on it immediately, so it's out by September
Speaker 1: or whatever in the traditional model. With this, obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: with streaming, it's a little bit different, which gives you
Speaker 1: some time like are you do you look at feedback
Speaker 1: and you're like, huh, maybe I could you know, like
Speaker 1: or are you able to separate it and be like nope,
Speaker 1: I know what I want and that's whether it's going
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 6: It's funny because sometimes I'll get a message your d M.
Speaker 6: I'll see a tweet that's like, okay, that's pretty interesting
Speaker 6: and it's fun. But the minute you start actually going
Speaker 6: into it to write it, that's what falls out of
Speaker 6: your heads. Because there's so much vailables that the the
Speaker 6: viewer just doesn't know. But they don't know where how
Speaker 6: it's going to end. They don't know what that. There's
Speaker 6: so much they don't know, so you end up kind
Speaker 6: of I end up kind of shouting it out. But
Speaker 6: sometimes I see some great ideas. I think, oh, that's
Speaker 6: pretty interesting, that's pretty interesting. So I think when it
Speaker 6: comes down to it, some stuff does stay with you sublimately,
Speaker 6: so you might come out with amazing idea that you
Speaker 6: think he's your You don't know You've read this tweet somewhere.
Speaker 2: You don't know that, so you know what.
Speaker 6: I don't tend to pull up all the you know,
Speaker 6: all the comments and see what I can do. I
Speaker 6: kind of keep my vision clear.
Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 1: Well, raps are rap Man, Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: speaking with me. I can't wait till until the next
Speaker 1: season and beyond of Supercell and and seriously and sincerely
Speaker 1: kudos to all of the the hype and and love
Speaker 1: that that the series is getting it so well deserved.
Speaker 4: Appreciate that mom, Thank you that much.
Speaker 2: Thank you man speak and sale. All right, our.
Speaker 1: Right, rapman Supercel is streaming exclusively on Netflix right now.
Speaker 2: Season one. He's awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really is. Like I love how he's such
Speaker 1: a visual. He's such a storyteller, you know, like even
Speaker 1: with his music, as he was saying, it's not like
Speaker 1: about the hook or whatever or the beat, like it's
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 3: You can tell that. He really tries to go in
Speaker 3: depth of what he does exactly.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why Supercell works so well. So
Speaker 1: now you gotta watch it. It's really good.
Speaker 3: I will adding it, adding it to my never ending list.
Speaker 2: Add it to your list.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a break and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna get back to the feature. We're going to come
Speaker 1: back with the feature presentation, which is tickled because this
Speaker 1: is batshit insane, but we'll get to that. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to talk about it with Amanda. We'll be back
Speaker 1: in sixty all right, we are back. Thanks for hanging
Speaker 1: out with us. So I randomly was, you know, I
Speaker 1: have so much to do at my house because you know,
Speaker 1: I just bought it two years ago. It sounds like
Speaker 1: a long time, but I travel a lot, so I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like I'm there every day to
Speaker 1: be able to get stuff done.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Then, my you know, my mom had passed away a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and my dad recently sold my
Speaker 1: parents' house, so I took everything from there, and I'm
Speaker 1: going through it, you know, so I can done it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it looks like a hoarder's although it looks a
Speaker 1: lot better now than it did. But so I'm always
Speaker 1: throwing on something that like is interesting but won't distract
Speaker 1: distract me, so like I could just.
Speaker 2: Kind of listen to it or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I randomly saw this tickled, this image on
Speaker 1: Netflix of like a feather, and it was like tickled,
Speaker 1: and I'm like what, And so then I click on
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, this sounds insane.
Speaker 2: I'm in right.
Speaker 1: So the log line is journalist David Farier stumbles upon
Speaker 1: a mysterious tickling competition online. As he delves deeper, he
Speaker 1: comes up against fierce resistance, but that doesn't stop him
Speaker 1: getting to the bottom of a story stranger than fiction.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, okay, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: weird I'm in, So I first of all, got nothing
Speaker 1: done with my room.
Speaker 3: I'm cracking up.
Speaker 2: I was glued to this. It is that shit insane.
Speaker 1: I then became like obsessed, where like I'm googling the
Speaker 1: people in it. I ended up finding out that there's
Speaker 1: a short follow up called The Tickle King, and this
Speaker 1: is just insane. So I texted you the very next
Speaker 1: day and I'm like, yo, I want to do the
Speaker 1: whole future presentation about Tickled, And you know, obviously you're like,
Speaker 1: I have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you've got to watch this movie and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess, and then you did.
Speaker 3: I did. I I couldn't contain it because you were
Speaker 3: just you sounded so passionate over the over text, so
Speaker 3: I said, Okay, he's tweaking about this. I have to
Speaker 3: see right now. So I put it on while I
Speaker 3: was doing my work. Weird, Yeah, fel freaking weird.
Speaker 1: So overall, do you see why I was so passionate
Speaker 1: about it? Yes, isn't it like it's like a really
Speaker 1: good reality show, but not like a reality you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's obviously it's a documentary, but like
Speaker 1: the twists and turns and the craziness of it.
Speaker 3: Are we gonna do spoilers?
Speaker 2: No? No, come on, or okay.
Speaker 3: The twist is too huge to not talk about. How
Speaker 3: are we going to talk about the twist without spoiling it?
Speaker 2: This came out in twenty sixteen, so that was what
Speaker 2: eight years ago.
Speaker 3: People haven't watched it by now, it's their fault.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So all right.
Speaker 3: Tick a breather, yes, before we start to go in depth.
Speaker 1: So we I start watching this David Farrier, who's an
Speaker 1: incredible journalist, and I didn't actually even know until I
Speaker 1: watched this that he did Dark Tourists Too, which is
Speaker 1: a really cool documentary series on Netflix.
Speaker 3: Oh that after I finished Tickle, that popped up and
Speaker 3: I was really interested in that. That's from the same guy.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh okay, yeah, and that's such a good show.
Speaker 2: It's it's like weird historical stuff. It's it's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I didn't realize it was the same guy
Speaker 1: until I watched this. David Farrier, you know, he is
Speaker 1: always doing these odd and kind of quirky stories. He
Speaker 1: somehow what somebody sends him or something a Tickle video
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, what's this.
Speaker 3: I think he stumbled upon it.
Speaker 1: Like just searching or something. Yeah, and he's like, this
Speaker 1: is kind of weird, you know. Then he begins researching
Speaker 1: on researching it because he wants to do a story
Speaker 1: on it. He notices that a lot of them, a
Speaker 1: lot of these videos, almost all of them, are coming
Speaker 1: from this Jane O'Brien Media. Yeah, all the casting calls,
Speaker 1: you know, all of it is coming from the same
Speaker 1: kind of company, which Jane O'Brien media, first of all,
Speaker 1: sounds like a fake name.
Speaker 3: It does. Jane O'Brien, right.
Speaker 2: Media, Could you be any more yite with this.
Speaker 3: Red flag number one?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then weirdly enough, he reaches out that part's not weird.
Speaker 1: He reaches out to them to say, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought this was like quirky and odd, let's do
Speaker 1: a story.
Speaker 2: I'm going to do a story on this.
Speaker 1: Can I talk to you. He didn't mean anything. He
Speaker 1: just thought it was like an odd, weird thing.
Speaker 3: He just wanted to do an interview. That's nothing, that's completely.
Speaker 2: Normal, right, And they respond.
Speaker 3: I was shook from that response.
Speaker 1: With this horrendous email, being like, we refuse to have
Speaker 1: interviews with homosexuals or something and like all and.
Speaker 2: Like like what like where does that even come from?
Speaker 1: It was very harsh, Yeah, so harsh and so aggressive.
Speaker 1: It's like what like that doesn't even he's not attacking.
Speaker 1: He's like literally like, hey, you know what you do
Speaker 1: was quirky. I'd love to do an interview with you
Speaker 1: about it. And they're like they respond with that, which
Speaker 1: is so wild to me because it's like the stuff
Speaker 1: you're doing is pretty gay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said that. Yeah, I found it hard to
Speaker 3: take that email seriously because it looked gay. It seemed gay. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's like it does videos that they put on
Speaker 3: the documentary they were being It was.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I mean it's it's not like blatantly homosexual behavior,
Speaker 1: but it's pretty homoerotic. Like you have these young athletic
Speaker 1: guys that they literally seek out young athletic guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to like sit on each other and tie each other
Speaker 1: down and like tickle each other clothes.
Speaker 2: But I mean that's, you know, that's.
Speaker 3: With the way the world thinks nowadays, anyone's gonna assume
Speaker 3: that that is in some type of way gay, right,
Speaker 3: because it's lean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's you know, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: the people involve gay or whatever. But I mean it's
Speaker 1: pretty gay. My gay friends would be like, that's pretty gay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I'm not calling them
Speaker 1: homosecutional course, but that behavior is sus.
Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty suss.
Speaker 3: Yes, I do agree, it is sus Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then you know, I guess we kind of have
Speaker 1: to go through some of this in detail in order to.
Speaker 2: Talk about it. We do.
Speaker 3: We do.
Speaker 1: So note to yourself, if you haven't seen this yet,
Speaker 1: maybe go watch it yet. It's on Netflix right now,
Speaker 1: and then come back and listen to this episode because
Speaker 1: there's there's really no way around this spoilers the spoilers,
Speaker 1: There really isn't.
Speaker 2: I promise you you want to.
Speaker 1: Watch this movie and the follow up, The Ticklekink.
Speaker 2: You need to watch.
Speaker 1: This movie will change your life, like it has changed mind,
Speaker 1: And I'm obsessed.
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I just think it's also weird.
Speaker 1: And crazy and unbelievable, but it was all true. It's
Speaker 1: all true, like it's nuts. So anyway, all right, back
Speaker 1: to us. So then David the journalist seems like, well
Speaker 1: that's even more intriguing now that they've written this horrible email.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: So he calls a buddy and a television television producer, Dylan,
Speaker 1: to kind of help him look further into it, right,
Speaker 1: h What were you thinking at that point as you
Speaker 1: were watching?
Speaker 3: After I saw the email, I was immediately taken aback. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because of how harsh it was. Yeah, And I probably
Speaker 3: would have done the same thing as David.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I would have looked at this email and been like,
Speaker 3: what in the world that I just get?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Why are they so defensive? Right off the bat? It
Speaker 3: was such a defensive email, Yeah, that it's really hard
Speaker 3: to not be more intrigued by it.
Speaker 1: Exactly that you put it perfectly. It was so defensive, unnecessarily.
Speaker 2: Unnecessarily like you could have just said no, thank you, Yeah,
Speaker 2: no thanks, we're not interested.
Speaker 1: Exactly like you went like, please look at us, we
Speaker 1: have so much to hide. You went that route by
Speaker 1: saying what you did?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like, I.
Speaker 3: Don't understand why it was So you really just shot
Speaker 3: yourself in the foot by sending that email.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then this man gets his buddy, a television producer hmm,
Speaker 1: to start filming this stuff. So then they write some
Speaker 1: blog posts and those go viral because that whole thing
Speaker 1: was weird.
Speaker 2: Well, first of.
Speaker 3: All, when Dylan came on board, they were researching the
Speaker 3: domain name oh remember, and they found three hundred domain
Speaker 3: names that all related to tickling yep. So that was
Speaker 3: another thing that fueled David Yeah to look into this, right,
Speaker 3: which by this point I was completely in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's when I got sucked.
Speaker 3: There the three hundred domain names. I said, Okay, I
Speaker 3: got a well, I was still working, Krista, I was
Speaker 3: still working, I promise, but I was like, Okay, whoa,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of domain names.
Speaker 2: Yeah for under what?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and all related to tickling?
Speaker 2: Yeap? What the heck exactly?
Speaker 1: Which is I'm we're not knocking your fetish. If that's
Speaker 1: your thing, well, I'm kind of knocking. Well, I'm not
Speaker 1: knocking your fetish. It's not hurting anybody, you know, as
Speaker 1: long as everybody is participating, is uh willingly participating in
Speaker 1: their adults and all that whatever, it's.
Speaker 2: Unusual.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody would deny that a tickle fetish
Speaker 1: is unusual.
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody knows what that is exactly. I
Speaker 3: didn't know what that was exactly until this Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I read the thing and it was about competitive tickling,
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's weird. I didn't even know that was
Speaker 1: competitive tickling. Come to find out, I like what.
Speaker 3: It's It's so funny though, the whole thing. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: trying to contain my laughter in the mic, and I
Speaker 3: just can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's a big world out there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know everything or most of everything. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there's like these I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was Olympics, Like, I didn't know competitive tickling, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that sounds weird. I'm in like that
Speaker 1: was weird enough, But then when I realized there was
Speaker 1: a sexual like thing with it, I'm like even weirder.
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand.
Speaker 3: How people like that stuff, but I.
Speaker 1: Don't even understand, Like I think at one point one
Speaker 1: of them said, it's really about the power over the person,
Speaker 1: like because you're tying them up and then you're tickling them,
Speaker 1: and then it's up to you to decide when to stop.
Speaker 1: So it's almost like a pleasant form of torture in
Speaker 1: some ways.
Speaker 2: Hm, I don't.
Speaker 3: Even this is this tickle torture.
Speaker 2: It's like so bizarre.
Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's so bizarre, And I would die a
Speaker 3: little bit every time they said the phrase tickle torture.
Speaker 3: I know, like, don't say that phrase. It just grossed
Speaker 3: me out.
Speaker 2: And then the person's screen name was Terry Tickle.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe that.
Speaker 2: Who does that Terry Tickle?
Speaker 1: Like, obviously that's not a real name, Like it's it
Speaker 1: sounds like a bad Batman villain.
Speaker 3: It sounds like a character on Sesame Street, Terry Tickle, Like,
Speaker 3: what the heck.
Speaker 2: It really does?
Speaker 1: That was a creepy muppet been like, my name's Erriticle.
Speaker 1: Oh that was a guy that I was talking.
Speaker 3: They laughed at.
Speaker 2: My night?
Speaker 3: Was theoretickled.
Speaker 2: Something like something weird? You know what I mean? Anyway?
Speaker 1: Yes, So, like you said, they've all of these domains
Speaker 1: that are all Tickle related, hundreds and what over three
Speaker 1: hundred of them? Three hundred Like what do you even
Speaker 1: do with all those? Like the whole thing is so perplexing, right,
Speaker 1: And similarly, like you said, I'm, you know, cleaning up
Speaker 1: my room and then I'm like okay, And that's when
Speaker 1: I didn't get anything done for the rest of the
Speaker 1: evening because I was all in I had.
Speaker 2: I could not keep my eyes.
Speaker 3: I actually had to rewatch it because I was, like
Speaker 3: I said, I was doing while I was working. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I was kind of listening to it and kind
Speaker 3: of not and then once I clocked out, I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm locked in. Yeah, and I rewatched the whole thing,
Speaker 3: so I've seen it twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then wait, my sister came home from work and
Speaker 3: I made her watch it, so I think that I've
Speaker 3: watched it three times. Okay, we didn't finish it. We
Speaker 3: got forty minutes in, but I didn't tell her anything.
Speaker 3: So I told her. I said, hey, one of my
Speaker 3: coworkers he texted me this film and it's called Tickled,
Speaker 3: and I'm wanting you to watch it. And she's like
Speaker 3: what it's about? And I was going to tell her.
Speaker 3: I was going to tell her what it was about,
Speaker 3: but then I thought about it and I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I want you to go in here
Speaker 3: completely blind. Yeah, and she was shook. I was getting
Speaker 3: her raw reaction. I'd look over, mouth is open, mouth,
Speaker 3: hand is over the mouth, eyes are bulged out. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: keep on watching, keep on watching. And it was like
Speaker 3: eleven pm and we had to stop it because we
Speaker 3: were so exhausting. Yeah, we're finishing it tonight. Oh good,
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna watch Tickle It again the fourth time.
Speaker 2: That's so funny.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So at that point for me, I was like, something
Speaker 1: nefarious is going on, Like this isn't just some weirdo
Speaker 1: company that's doing like some kind of sex thing something.
Speaker 1: Something's wrong, you know, like really wrong. It's sus exactly,
Speaker 1: it's very sus So they're researching.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: Then she starts harassing them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's harassing them, and then sends to what he
Speaker 1: thinks are lawyers, to representatives to New Zealand to meet
Speaker 1: with him to stop him from doing three this.
Speaker 2: Oh it was three Yeah. Oh yeah, I watched four times.
Speaker 1: It was three to kind of stop them. The one
Speaker 1: guy was super nice. I thought the guy with the
Speaker 1: long gray hair was horrendous.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: He was also defensive. Yeah, I mean he shook his
Speaker 3: hands and nice to meet you. And then thirty second
Speaker 3: later it was I know what you think you're trying
Speaker 3: to do here? Yeah, And I'm like, why is he
Speaker 3: what the heck?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And David was explaining, you know New Zealand laws, we
Speaker 3: are allowed to film in public. Yeah, Like, like I said,
Speaker 3: you're not researching the country that you're going to.
Speaker 2: Exactly, why are you getting.
Speaker 3: So upset and then storming off?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, what do you have to hide? Exactly?
Speaker 1: And why did you come all the way out there
Speaker 1: just to to start off on a bad foot with
Speaker 1: this guy exactly?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And because David was very respectful, he was extremely Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like he was way nice.
Speaker 1: I thought to myself when that guy said I know
Speaker 1: what you think you're trying to do or whatever, I
Speaker 1: in my head I had like a whole argument with
Speaker 1: the guy like that as I was David, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: mother clucker, here's what I am doing. I know what
Speaker 1: you think you're doing, coming here to try to convince
Speaker 1: me to not do it. But guess what, bud talk
Speaker 1: is over. Hope you enjoyed your flight, see you later
Speaker 1: or you know what I mean? Yeah, no, bitch.
Speaker 3: But maybe David didn't want to get off wrong. He
Speaker 3: didn't because obviously they're going to talk again. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: they're not going anywhere in this initial meeting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, he was very he's very professional.
Speaker 3: I gotta commend him because I got to commend David
Speaker 3: because you know, maybe it's that New Zealand thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because Americans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we would have been like like exactly like what
Speaker 1: I say, you know what I mean? Uh yeah, And
Speaker 1: he was so and he was very like never got
Speaker 1: angry with him, never like never, you know, never misspoke,
Speaker 1: he was, but still gave the facts. He was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I understand, but you know, in New Zealand,
Speaker 1: we're not doing you know, this is the law and
Speaker 1: we're allowed to blah blah blah, and so anyway blah.
Speaker 1: Like he was very nice and and yeah, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: you know, but I guess that's why he has a
Speaker 1: movie out and I don't because I would have, you know,
Speaker 1: fought with the guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then they do that and they don't want you know,
Speaker 1: the next day or whatever. They don't want the cameras
Speaker 1: rolling in the meeting, but it sounds like they have
Speaker 1: audio recording anyway. They do, and they're basically telling him
Speaker 1: you should be scared if you continue on this path,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Would you agree, Like that's
Speaker 1: kind of what they implied.
Speaker 3: That is what they implied, and I just feel like
Speaker 3: it was so weird because why is it such a
Speaker 3: big deal? Right now? All David did was ask a question,
Speaker 3: can I do an interview? And then harassment followed after, yeah, immediately.
Speaker 1: After Yeah, and he was getting all kinds of emails,
Speaker 1: like multiple emails all the time from this Jane O'Brien
Speaker 1: media and by.
Speaker 3: Debbie Koon right, yes, and he asked them have you
Speaker 3: ever met her or Jane? And they all said no, right.
Speaker 2: Which is also weird, really freaking weird.
Speaker 3: And when he asked, does that concern you guys, they
Speaker 3: were like absolutely not, absolutely not, as if they're putting
Speaker 3: their whole entire like faith in these people.
Speaker 2: That you've never met, you've never seen before.
Speaker 1: That you literally flew across the world four and haven't
Speaker 1: met them, Like that's insanity. Yeah, the whole thing is
Speaker 1: so weird. And then of course they basically you know,
Speaker 1: bully him.
Speaker 3: They had that coffee and the camera in the coffee cup.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was smart.
Speaker 3: Yes, it was David points. Yeah he got points for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's awesome. And then they were then even more
Speaker 1: you know, David and Dylan were even more intrigued because
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, what is going on? So they basically
Speaker 1: follow them back to La Yeah, and find you know,
Speaker 1: obviously through their research, but they find a casting call
Speaker 1: and kind of stake it out to see what's going on,
Speaker 1: which who's at the casting call. But that one weird
Speaker 1: guy that wasn't like the two adults who was like
Speaker 1: the younger one that it.
Speaker 2: Was like, are you care failed me? You know what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: He was there and the gray haired man yep, and
Speaker 1: they were filming sus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said that you can hear laughter through the events. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Oh my god. That's creepy number one, creepy number two.
Speaker 3: I would feel like I am invading privacy honestly, Like
Speaker 3: it seems so intimate.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: And yeah, the whole thing is so weird. And these guys,
Speaker 1: you know, some of them. Here's the other thing. Some
Speaker 1: of them were underage, which I didn't understand because they
Speaker 1: were Yeah. Remember the one guy, the MMA.
Speaker 2: Fighter guy, Oh, he was, Yes.
Speaker 1: He was saying that a guy that he had recruited
Speaker 1: was under age. And then his family got you know, notified,
Speaker 1: and they were I guess because it's not blatantly pornographic
Speaker 1: that it's Okay, yeah, but that is horrible.
Speaker 3: Well, those were never supposed to go out anyway, because
Speaker 3: those are the auditioning tastes.
Speaker 2: Right, which is also sus like, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: They had to do three levels of audition. They had
Speaker 3: to do the initial one tickle test. Yeah, I hate
Speaker 3: saying that, man, hold on the I hate it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it gives you me creus to say.
Speaker 3: That the tickle test number one was just like regular tickling,
Speaker 3: and then they tied them down for tickle test too,
Speaker 3: and then for tickle Test three they like went all in. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just like there's steps for this. Yeah, this is chaotic.
Speaker 2: It is insane. I can't even believe we're talking about that.
Speaker 3: I can because it's just I don't know, it's tickle tickling.
Speaker 2: Man, It's just like it's so weird and wild and yeah.
Speaker 1: So then so in the story, they figure out this
Speaker 1: person known as Terry DeSisto, whose alias was Terry Tickle.
Speaker 2: Stop.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm getting.
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear that, like you're gonna like lay down tonight.
Speaker 1: And then you're like you're gonna like hear a faint whisper.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like.
Speaker 3: Harry and then I'm gonna throw a hand.
Speaker 2: And then nobody's there.
Speaker 3: Oh but yeah, but I'm sure Terry Tickle would wait
Speaker 3: Tickle Terry is Terry Tile, Like, oh, I just don't
Speaker 3: want to talk about that.
Speaker 2: He's gonna haunt our dreams.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: They so so they find out about this Terry DeSisto
Speaker 1: is behind all this, and that person had been distributing
Speaker 1: tickle videos online like literally since the early nineties. And
Speaker 1: then David and Dylan go and talk to this independent
Speaker 1: tickling video producer who that guy seemed besides the whole
Speaker 1: tickling thing, relatively normal.
Speaker 3: He did seem normal, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 3: didn't get any weird vibe exactly until he said he was.
Speaker 2: And even then I was just like, first of.
Speaker 3: All, the slow moe zooming of his face as he's sick.
Speaker 3: That sent me over the edge.
Speaker 2: That was unnecessary. He was creepy.
Speaker 3: And the music, but I know the music, I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, what is this?
Speaker 1: But he until that, like you said, until that part,
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this guy's normal. He just like
Speaker 1: runs basically an adult like fetish site.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And then they started.
Speaker 2: Doing the tickling and that guy that the guy they
Speaker 2: were tickling. He's like, hey, bro, what's up.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I thought it was weird first, but like,
Speaker 1: you know, who knows a little good tickle or something.
Speaker 3: I'm like he was like, I'm the risk taker. My
Speaker 3: sister was like for.
Speaker 1: Tickling, yeah, you're such a bad boy, Like what it is?
Speaker 3: It's their own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I don't think that guy did
Speaker 1: it for pleasure. The guy that was getting tickled, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he just wanted the money and was like whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know, and they make a few thousand dollars
Speaker 1: like a pop.
Speaker 3: No, that that's some good money. Not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you.
Speaker 1: Know, terry tickle if you around there, I don't mind
Speaker 1: getting pickled for a few thousands, you know.
Speaker 3: Make the cut.
Speaker 1: But uh but yeah, so, oh god, I hope I
Speaker 1: don't get weird emails now and like, yeah, send us
Speaker 1: feet picks already, get that now.
Speaker 2: I don't want this weird.
Speaker 1: I swear to go, oh my god, it suchs weird
Speaker 1: DM sometimes Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But uh.
Speaker 1: Anyway, so they interviewed this guy and comparatively he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I know who that is first of all, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they've been doing this forever and then.
Speaker 2: Yeah I do this and blah blah blah. Like he
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: It felt like a business, like a weird business, but
Speaker 1: a business comparatively compared to the Jane O'Brien media, which
Speaker 1: felt like a weird, creepy crime syndicate, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, which, yeah, it kind of was.
Speaker 3: Those Tickle sessions were I don't know that those were
Speaker 3: just very eerie in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look the location that these are being filmed at. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like it looks like abandoned type building. Yeah, like apocalyptic vibe, right,
Speaker 3: and it's very secluded. Number one, you know, it looks
Speaker 3: old as I don't know what. Number two, Number three,
Speaker 3: it's just a bunch of random guys. Yeah, that are
Speaker 3: all in the same age range, and it's just getting
Speaker 3: tied down and going to tickle Town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're on the train to tickle Town.
Speaker 2: They're on the tickle train to tickle Town. Oh my god. Oh.
Speaker 1: And then they interviewed that one group of guys like
Speaker 1: before it got crazy, TJ.
Speaker 3: Remember TJ, the one that talked about the site that
Speaker 3: was put up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, I felt.
Speaker 3: So terrible yeah him. Yeah, And that ended up being
Speaker 3: the three hundred domain sites that Dylan found in the
Speaker 3: beginning of the documentary. I could not believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was he was the one that was
Speaker 1: like recruited to wait, wait, wait, which one was TJ?
Speaker 2: Now I'm getting confused.
Speaker 3: TJ was the one the very beginning where he was
Speaker 3: the old player. He's a football player.
Speaker 2: Oh where they're interviewing at the gym yea yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: that was insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know what, I think he got off
Speaker 3: for two thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And Kevin one of the guys that met David and
Speaker 3: New Zealand, he said that Kevin told him that it
Speaker 3: was a tickle torture project for the military, right, And
Speaker 3: he was like that is complete made up. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think that's complete cap Like, ain't no way. He was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're gonna use tiggling as a torture in a military
Speaker 3: US military.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, and video it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, have these random weirdos in there, like.
Speaker 3: And he found he found his tape on YouTube and
Speaker 3: he emailed Jane O'Bryant and he didn't get the respond.
Speaker 1: They destroyed his life, completely destroyed his life, harassed him,
Speaker 1: sent his videos to his employers he was a football coach,
Speaker 1: sent it to his school that he was coaching.
Speaker 2: At, like completely destroyed his life.
Speaker 1: Also way overly aggressive, just like what they did what
Speaker 1: they started with David.
Speaker 3: They were making up rumors. They said that he was
Speaker 3: a child molester, right, he was a drug addict. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean this guy got raked through the mud. Yeah,
Speaker 3: over this whole entire And then they made that website,
Speaker 3: and not only that, but they put all of his
Speaker 3: personal information.
Speaker 1: On a stress his phone numbers, his family, everything, like
Speaker 1: completely horrendously disgusting, ununbelievable, horrendously And what they were finding
Speaker 1: was anybody who questioned what was happening is what this
Speaker 1: Jane O'Brien media was doing to the guys who would
Speaker 1: be like, hey is this legit? Or hey I thought
Speaker 1: that video wasn't supposed to be online, that they would
Speaker 1: make audition.
Speaker 3: Our website about that guy.
Speaker 2: In their own name.
Speaker 1: So it would be like having Kyle McMahon dot com
Speaker 1: and somebody putting up all my information these tickle videos
Speaker 1: that I thought were private, were never supposed to go anywhere,
Speaker 1: and basically destroying my life. If I questioned why this
Speaker 1: video that was supposed to be private or if you stopped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's blackmail exactly. It's it's horrendous sick.
Speaker 1: And then when they interviewed that one group of guys together,
Speaker 1: there were like four or five of them. They looked
Speaker 1: like they were on a soccer team or something. I
Speaker 1: was like, I think that was towards the beginning, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is like and then when
Speaker 1: they started like doing I was like, uh oh, I
Speaker 1: was like, these are like normal guys. Whople are just
Speaker 1: like whatever, I need two thousand bucks or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then get kind of roped into this and then are
Speaker 1: blackmailed into continuing to do it or their lives will
Speaker 1: be ruined. Like it's insane. Oh, and how about that guy,
Speaker 1: David Starr.
Speaker 3: I literally felt so bad for him, So did I
Speaker 3: when I was when his bit came on. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: then but he didn't work for an O'Brien. He worked
Speaker 3: for Tickle Terry, right and stop laughing at that old
Speaker 3: berry and then and then Tickled Terry went to the
Speaker 3: hospital for what six months, yes, and was still demanding
Speaker 3: these videos be made. Yeah, and David was what the
Speaker 3: recruiter I don't think he was being tickled. But he
Speaker 3: was the one that was recruiting the men.
Speaker 2: I thought he was filming it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was filming and recruiting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: He described himself as like her little drug dealers exactly.
Speaker 3: So he didn't want to do it eventually because she
Speaker 3: wanted to then post the videos.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He realized that she was posting the like audition videos,
Speaker 1: which they were being told weren't going to be posted, right,
Speaker 1: So he was like, that's wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he took a stand, and then she completely flipped
Speaker 3: and ruined his Oh my god, those videos about his
Speaker 3: not the videos, those letters about his.
Speaker 2: Brothers, yeah, who had passed away.
Speaker 3: He was terrible having his mom like get those mail Yeah,
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 2: It was absolutely it was insane.
Speaker 3: But then it's a twist.
Speaker 2: But then the twist twist go.
Speaker 3: It was actually a man named David Dematto, Yes, that
Speaker 3: was running both, oh allegedly running both Tickle Terry and
Speaker 3: Jane O'Brien media. But David Dematto, because they didn't, David Star
Speaker 3: email someone for help and he said, send this file
Speaker 3: Tickle Terry, and in that zipped file.
Speaker 2: It was like all of his personal information, his.
Speaker 3: Personal information that was linked to that person. First of all,
Speaker 3: he took the social security numbers of Terry DeSisto, the
Speaker 3: real Terry DeSisto passed away and was posing as her,
Speaker 3: this deceased woman.
Speaker 2: And had credit cards in her name and everything.
Speaker 3: And then to top it all off, he was a
Speaker 3: stant principle, right, wow, assistant principle.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: Watched time.
Speaker 1: It makes you wonder like was he like recruiting people.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they would have figured it out, like David
Speaker 1: and Dylan and all, but like, was he recruiting people
Speaker 1: from schools? I guess not. But they also said he
Speaker 1: was going like he would only work at a school
Speaker 1: for like a couple of years and then go to
Speaker 1: another one.
Speaker 2: And like, by me, it was also extremely weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is insane. And then they locate this
Speaker 1: guy David Dematto, who is so weird and like reclusive,
Speaker 1: and it comes come to find out his father was
Speaker 1: like a billionaire or something because he started like some
Speaker 1: big de motto and something bank or something on the
Speaker 1: stock market or something. Right, so he was basically living
Speaker 1: off of a trust fund, a trust fund, he literally was,
Speaker 1: and then when.
Speaker 3: His mother passed away, he got money there, millions yep,
Speaker 3: from her estate.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he was using all of this money for all
Speaker 1: these weird things and kind of bullying people into bullying
Speaker 1: people into well, like you said, blackmailing, not even bullying, blackmailing,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Yeah, And so they learn that
Speaker 1: he got He served a six month prison sentence for
Speaker 1: disabling a computer system at two different universities and retaliation
Speaker 1: against an eighteen year old. Remember that he had an
Speaker 1: eighteen year old that he was doing underage shoots for him,
Speaker 1: tickle videos for David Diamato. When he went to college,
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm done doing this. I remember David
Speaker 1: ended up logging into his school's computer system, shutting it
Speaker 1: down and pretending that it was him the student.
Speaker 3: Is that when the secret Service came in?
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my goodness. And it was at Temple University
Speaker 2: in Phillies, Yes, yeah, I thought it was Drexel, Drexel, Drexel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it was at Drexel because I remember hearing Drexeln.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, that's forty minutes from n.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: So he broke into their system pretending to be the
Speaker 1: student all because he was like, I'm not doing videos anymore.
Speaker 1: That is beyond psychotic.
Speaker 3: You can tell that David Demadel never got told no
Speaker 3: exact child, yep, because that is not almost behavior.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it is like super villain behavior. It's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then they kind of, I don't want to say,
Speaker 1: stalk him, but Dylan and David end up kind of
Speaker 1: they want to talk to him because he's the one
Speaker 1: behind all of this, right, He's the one that's you know,
Speaker 1: bullying and harassing David. So he wants to confront him
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, let's get on the record and
Speaker 1: have a conversation. And they finally track him down and
Speaker 1: he basically threatens him legally and blah blah blah, like
Speaker 1: that was crazy.
Speaker 3: Well didn't they wait like a week or a couple
Speaker 3: of days from him, because he didn't knock him out
Speaker 3: of his apartment exactly, which is also kind of weird.
Speaker 2: It's weird.
Speaker 3: Why are you not leave your house days on end?
Speaker 2: Is that covid exactly? It's so weird, Like, what are
Speaker 2: you doing?
Speaker 1: I can't go three hours without leaving my house, Like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing for five days?
Speaker 2: In our row?
Speaker 3: Tiggle very f it's tickle Tuesday. Oh, my god, let's
Speaker 3: not make that a thing. Please, I'm so close to
Speaker 3: walking out finishes by herself. No, I'm kidding, but don't
Speaker 3: test me.
Speaker 1: So then he ends up contacting So his father had
Speaker 1: passed away, Yes, his mother had passed away. So David
Speaker 1: ends up contacting his stepmother, which is basically had cut
Speaker 1: ties off with him m after the father died, because
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm scared of him.
Speaker 2: He's insane.
Speaker 1: And she said that she was shocked that he was
Speaker 1: back in the tickle ring or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yes, she did, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And David, he never stopped.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 3: And then the stepmother just tells David Domado's whole life story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. Bench was like, you know what, boom.
Speaker 3: Here is this this this He was bullied as a kid.
Speaker 3: They locked him in a locker as a kid. His
Speaker 3: mom was protective, you know, just trust fun. Yeah, just
Speaker 3: the whole entire thing that you would assume, yep, from
Speaker 3: a person like this.
Speaker 1: So then that's the end of the film. Incredible film
Speaker 1: by itself, right Then of course I'm googling and researching
Speaker 1: and all. And David Tomato actually sued his stepmother for.
Speaker 3: That forty dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he lost, which I think is hilarious.
Speaker 3: First of all, I cannot believe he didn't go to
Speaker 3: prison for everything that he did. Yeah, and on top
Speaker 3: of that, he was allowed to go to law school.
Speaker 3: Right while he was doing his sentence. Yes, and that
Speaker 3: one guy who was speaking, he was saying, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: court system was like, yes, this is exactly who needs
Speaker 3: to be a lawyer. Exactly, this guy who stole this
Speaker 3: deceased woman's identity, this one who is blackmailing this it,
Speaker 3: this needs to be a lawyer.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That is ridiculous to me.
Speaker 2: It's insane.
Speaker 3: And he did it. He graduated from law school.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: It is absturity, insane, Yeah, the irony in it.
Speaker 2: So then he's passed away now, David Dimatto.
Speaker 3: Oh I did I did research that. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: he can't have anything to say about this exactly.
Speaker 1: David Diamatto actively spammed and controlled a variety of news groups,
Speaker 1: particularly alt dot Gothic and wreck dot Music dot Fish,
Speaker 1: from roughly nineteen ninety six to nineteen ninety nine, initiated
Speaker 1: email bombings against those he considered opponents, and solicited video
Speaker 1: recordings of young male adults being bound and Tickled, all
Speaker 1: while using the pseudonym alter ego Terry DeSisto, who was
Speaker 1: supposedly a female college student. Diamatto was found guilty of
Speaker 1: email bobbings, which caused services service outages at a number
Speaker 1: of colleges and universities. He was finding five thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: that's it, and spent six months in federal prison after
Speaker 1: being convicted. He died in March twenty seventeen, which was
Speaker 1: one year after Tickle came out, which I think is
Speaker 1: also interesting.
Speaker 3: Wait, exactly one year.
Speaker 2: Not to like the day.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so the documentary, Yeah, that would have been
Speaker 1: very weird. Yeah, that came out May twenty sixteen. He
Speaker 1: died in March twenty seventeen, so not even a year.
Speaker 1: That's super interesting.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder where all his money went. I'm just
Speaker 2: curious that.
Speaker 3: He didn't have kids, yeah, or a spouse.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then I found out on Reddit that there was
Speaker 1: a follow up, a short called The Tickle King yep,
Speaker 1: which I then of course got to watch.
Speaker 2: My entire night that night became consumed with this. I
Speaker 2: was like obsessed.
Speaker 3: I can tell yeah, and I can see why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I actually contacted David, but I want to
Speaker 1: get him on and and interview him about this and
Speaker 1: Dark Tourists and everything else he's doing.
Speaker 2: Because I just need to know. I just need to
Speaker 2: talk to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just need to get the more information.
Speaker 2: It's not enough, it's not I want to know.
Speaker 3: Feel content, like what I know that there are some cuts.
Speaker 3: Tell me the cuts.
Speaker 1: Yes, so for the Tickle King, which is like twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: says The follow up to Tickled features new footage documenting
Speaker 1: the bizarre and unsettling things that happened to the filmmakers. Uh,
Speaker 1: which this was super super interesting. David Dimatto shows up
Speaker 1: at a festival screening of Tickled, which is.
Speaker 5: Nuts nuts When I saw well, when I heard that
Speaker 5: David Demato was in the crowd, my jaw literally hit
Speaker 5: the full Yeah, I could not believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is like the insane. Like when I say insane, lot,
Speaker 1: that's like insane.
Speaker 3: That's really insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did all of this that is all documented
Speaker 1: in this movie. And then you go to a public
Speaker 1: screening of the movie with the director.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what he was thinking. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he probably wanted to see it. Like they're like everybody else.
Speaker 3: What are they saying about me with the Q and
Speaker 3: A Oh yes, the Q and A. Oh my god,
Speaker 3: I forgot about the freaking Q and A.
Speaker 1: He's eating popcorn while they're talking about him, like he's
Speaker 1: watching Twisters or something.
Speaker 3: It's looking so unbothered at how this documentary that he's
Speaker 3: literally ruined these people's lives. Yes, harassed, blackmailed, made up names, everything,
Speaker 3: the whole nine yards, everything you could think of, he did. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he's just sitting there eating his popcorn, listening to
Speaker 3: these people ask these outrageous questions. Yeah, that are very serious. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he's this is like live in large.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like he's watching TV or something.
Speaker 1: It is insane. And then the gray haired guy confronts David.
Speaker 3: Oh yes he does in that way, and like it
Speaker 3: wasn't a was it in the screening?
Speaker 1: It was it was a different screening because what Dylan
Speaker 1: was on one screening and David was at the other one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they got into it, they lobby.
Speaker 2: Into it, and I'm like, oh, this is good. This
Speaker 2: is the drama I live for. This is good.
Speaker 1: I mean, you cannot write that, you know what I mean? No,
Speaker 1: you cannot write if that was not a documentary, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, that's so stupid.
Speaker 2: That would never happen, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like if it was like a regular movie, like a
Speaker 1: fiction movie, yeah, I'd be like.
Speaker 2: That was dumb, Like that guy would never come. No,
Speaker 2: you came. They both came, came.
Speaker 3: With popcorn and all.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, oh my god.
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is David says that after those kind
Speaker 1: of public screening fiascos, Yeah, never heard from.
Speaker 2: Him again, all the harassments stopped and everything.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: It's like so bizarre, so bizarre, the whole thing. So
Speaker 2: what do you think overall?
Speaker 3: I think that David de Model was behind Jane ol
Speaker 3: Brian media.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, obviously. Terry Tickles confirmed. Harry Tiggle could confirm what
Speaker 3: I am a just if David the Model was alm.
Speaker 2: Kidding like, uh, my friend once a uh wants to
Speaker 2: be into movies. My life has changed?
Speaker 3: Was it really that impactful for you, Kyle? Well, it's
Speaker 3: because I feel like if I was a guy, it
Speaker 3: would have it would put things a little bit more
Speaker 3: into perspective.
Speaker 2: It's so it was impactful.
Speaker 1: Like when I say my life's changed, I'm being extra
Speaker 1: But well, are you really. I mean I am to
Speaker 1: a point, but I mean, like, is my life like change, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm a new person, like not literally, but it was
Speaker 1: so powerful, like because it's just so unbelievable and it's real,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's why I'm just like Okay.
Speaker 1: So I was obsessed with another documentary which I don't
Speaker 1: know if you would like, but it is called Gray Gardens.
Speaker 1: Which that was also a weird time in my life.
Speaker 1: My mom had just passed away. I was like kind
Speaker 1: of in a funk and not really leaving the house,
Speaker 1: and I was watching like Cops reruns of like the
Speaker 1: Cops show on Pluto, and I was watching like Unsolved Mysteries,
Speaker 1: and I came upon this documentary called Gray Gardens, okay,
Speaker 1: and I became obsessed with it.
Speaker 2: I still quote it to this day. It is so
Speaker 2: weird too.
Speaker 3: What's it about?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: It is about the daily lives of two ages eccentric
Speaker 1: relatives of Jackie Kennedy onasas Eddie Bouvier Beale and her
Speaker 1: mother mother Edith, are the sole inhabitants of a Long
Speaker 1: Island estate. During the course of the documentary, they discuss
Speaker 1: their habits, desires, and former loves with famous filmmakers. The
Speaker 1: women reveal themselves to be misfits with outsized, engaging personalities.
Speaker 1: So basically, the just behind that, I feel like we're
Speaker 1: setting up a whole other episode now on Grey Gardens now,
Speaker 1: But the just beyond Greg Gardens is that the mansion
Speaker 1: became like dilapidated, and then eventually the power company turned
Speaker 1: it off and the water company and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: And so then you have these like kind of eccentric
Speaker 1: mother and daughter who you know, rarely if ever leave
Speaker 1: this state that have just lived there for decades, and
Speaker 1: so they like entertain themselves, they like make costumes, and
Speaker 1: it is so sad but also so powerful and also
Speaker 1: so amazing that that had a big impact on me too.
Speaker 1: I think it's true stories of weird things that I'm like,
Speaker 1: who like those really get me, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's just like, you know, there's a big world
Speaker 1: out there and a lot of us are confined to
Speaker 1: our own little bubbles that I'm like, what, like somebody
Speaker 1: could do that to somebody else with like Jane O'Brien
Speaker 1: media and all that, like and then harassed people Like
Speaker 1: it's just so outside of my bubble, Like I can't
Speaker 1: fathom somebody doing it that to know, it's real. It's
Speaker 1: not like a fictional movie, like it's a documentary. Is
Speaker 1: wild to me. Same thing with great gardens, like you
Speaker 1: have these these two women are it's like your grandmother
Speaker 1: and your aunt or something like they're well, they're very eccentric,
Speaker 1: like goofy and and kind of weird and unique, but
Speaker 1: very sweet, like so nice and you know, so it'd
Speaker 1: be like if you had like a really weird grandmother
Speaker 1: that like dressing up, or a really weird aunt that
Speaker 1: you're like, oh that's Auntie, you know, Jess or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just hews, you you know.
Speaker 1: But they live in this giant mansion on in a
Speaker 1: neighborhood with all these multi millionaires. Theirs looks dilapidated and
Speaker 1: they don't have money to eat or you know, have power,
Speaker 1: and they live in this like giant rich thing. It's
Speaker 1: just so fascinating to me.
Speaker 3: It's like so ironic. Yeah, how you're around big money
Speaker 3: and you live essentially in a house that is created
Speaker 3: from big money, right, you don't live the big money
Speaker 3: life exactly.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: That is very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that film. That documentary also had a big
Speaker 1: impact on me. I think it's the stories, like I said,
Speaker 1: like where there's these weird I don't want to say outsiders,
Speaker 1: but weird outsiders, you know what I mean in ways because.
Speaker 3: They in a way that they are outsiders because they're
Speaker 3: not in the.
Speaker 2: Bubble right off your life exactly.
Speaker 3: But for me, it's similar to what you said, And
Speaker 3: it also brings l how close these things happen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because this happened in New York Yeah, and Philly yep,
Speaker 3: you know with that guy and.
Speaker 1: They said he had sales all over the country exactly
Speaker 1: where he was recruiting these guys all over They named
Speaker 1: like twenty five cities or something exactly.
Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, it's nice to see what goes
Speaker 3: on to these documentaries because it is out of our bubble,
Speaker 3: but in reality, it's really close to us. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: closer than what I think we think. Yeah it is, yep,
Speaker 3: because Philly is like forty minutes from us exactly. So yeah, Drexel,
Speaker 3: everyone around here knows drugs University.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: I probably have friends that have friends that go to
Speaker 3: drugs with university. It's like, dang, yeah, it happened there.
Speaker 1: That is why I think I love documentaries, especially good ones,
Speaker 1: you know, because it does expose us to a world
Speaker 1: outside of our.
Speaker 2: Own, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, that's tickled.
Speaker 3: That was crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Are you glad you watched it for the podcast?
Speaker 3: I am, because I would have come in here. I
Speaker 3: would have came in here and listened to this whole entire.
Speaker 2: You would have thought I was in insane person.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think that anyone would take to this
Speaker 3: documentary with open arms initially, Yeah, because it's just weird.
Speaker 3: Number One, people don't know this is a fetish. People
Speaker 3: don't even know that this is a thing. People don't
Speaker 3: know that this is a form of torture. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's weird. But when you get into it, when you
Speaker 3: when you put past the judgment, you know a little bit,
Speaker 3: you can find some pretty neat stuff.
Speaker 1: And some of those people in this film and involved
Speaker 1: in that, some of the people interviewed and and tickled
Speaker 1: seemed to be otherwise very very normal.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you could see them in the street right then.
Speaker 3: The TJ guy, he said that when he went to
Speaker 3: the session, he said that it was normal people bodybuilders
Speaker 3: were there, Yeah, actors that acted in commercials that he had. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're in that session.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And even he he said, it was just you would
Speaker 3: see these people downtown, yeah, all the time, grocery store whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what's scary about it too, right, that
Speaker 3: you think you have an image of the type of
Speaker 3: person that these people are and then they could be
Speaker 3: just your neighbor. Yeah, at the end of the day.
Speaker 3: And that's the scary part.
Speaker 2: Your neighbor could be.
Speaker 3: The cold serry. Wrap this up, Wrap.
Speaker 1: This up, all right. That is our episode for that's
Speaker 1: it for today. That's it for this episode. It was
Speaker 1: you know, we had the delightful rapman on to talk
Speaker 1: about his giant Netflix hit, Supercel and Amanda and I
Speaker 1: talked all about Tickled and The Tickle King. Tickled is
Speaker 1: available exclusively on Netflix and The Tickle King is available.
Speaker 1: The short follow up is available on YouTube. And I
Speaker 1: believe HBO Max don't quote me on that. In any event,
Speaker 1: Thank you for hanging out with us. Let me know
Speaker 1: what you think about Tickled. All of the show notes,
Speaker 1: all of the links are in the show notes that
Speaker 1: hit hit me up and I'll see you next week.
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