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<v Speaker 1>That was the worst job you've ever done.

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<v Speaker 2>Halosmoco Podcast, Episode four seventy. I'm Brando. I'm here with

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan and we're gonna talk about going too hard on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Pain now in our theme.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Ryan, We're back for yet another whirlwind adventure. How

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<v Speaker 2>you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>WHOA what is going down?

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<v Speaker 2>Whole bunch is going down. We've got a live studio audience.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very exciting. It's one of the last times we're

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<v Speaker 2>all gonna be together before the great big holiday season.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to deck to talk about some stories, to

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<v Speaker 2>tell some people, to thank, some things to update y'all on.

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<v Speaker 2>But before we get to any of that, we have

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<v Speaker 2>three coming very soon to YouTube and exciting news on

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<v Speaker 2>that front. Yes for you specifically, Corus said she will

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<v Speaker 2>ask Wendy if we can borrow her micso so we

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<v Speaker 2>can actually have and this is exciting for everybody involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Functional audio for the next episode we record, because we've

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<v Speaker 2>done at least three and they've all gone to shit

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<v Speaker 2>because we're people think we're pros, but we're weird still

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<v Speaker 2>about the kink.

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<v Speaker 1>Still they think we're pros. We're definitely Joe's that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing our best. But we're gonna get there for

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<v Speaker 2>you in the new year. We're gonna talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about that kind of stuff a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>later on the show. But thanks to those people for

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<v Speaker 2>being in there. If you like Magic the gathering, which

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<v Speaker 2>is probably while you're here, While you're here, why you're here,

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<v Speaker 2>If you go to Fusion Gaming Online dot com, you

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<v Speaker 2>could save some money and all the stuff you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>that's the special promo code going on right now, save

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<v Speaker 2>yourself five percent of all the shit that you're probably

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<v Speaker 2>gonna buy for the special Magic player in your life

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<v Speaker 2>or yourself, because paying less money for the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>you want is always better than paying full price. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's actual, real live science brandology.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how you're doing all the work and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they're going hard on the paint,

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<v Speaker 1>as per your very intense intro. I got an email

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<v Speaker 1>the other day about somebody listening to episode like eighty

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<v Speaker 1>seven or one hundred and forty or something like years

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<v Speaker 1>and years and years and years ago. So I went

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<v Speaker 1>back and loaded up the episode, and when I hit play,

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<v Speaker 1>it just played the start of the show, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Hey, you're listening to Commander Cookout Podcast, episode

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven. I'm brand O, this is I'm here with

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan blah blah blah, and I'm like, wow, no intensity.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there was a time where the thought was, Brando,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta go a little slower because so people can

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<v Speaker 2>understand what you're gonna say. And then eventually we leaned

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<v Speaker 2>into the game.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not stupid, we're just freight training.

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<v Speaker 2>That's stupid. What that is You can keep up or

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<v Speaker 2>you can get left behind.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hey, if you're if you're into magic the gathering,

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<v Speaker 1>it's either get excited or yeah, or don't. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>whole business model.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get excited or just lose.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's the whole business model. There it is. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're probably gonna talk a little bit about that on

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<v Speaker 1>our year end wrap up show in a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go through a little bit of podcasting

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<v Speaker 1>business that you brought up.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I make a very quick sports reference? Yes, always

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<v Speaker 2>paying more excitement to win games. Who are we the

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<v Speaker 2>New York Mets.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the or the New York Yankees? No, very most

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<v Speaker 1>specifically the Los Angeles Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, didn't the Mets pay some gud like seven one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred million.

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<v Speaker 1>Dollars thirty six million? Producer Gary seven hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six million, Wan Toto? Yeah, yeah, man, they haven't won

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<v Speaker 1>a World Series yet, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course they haven't. They're the Mets, and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna win a World Series even I know that they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't for everybody in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>They haven't technically paid to win yet because they haven't

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<v Speaker 1>won yet. But the Dodgers shirt did. Yeah, okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>cecio holiday. You see it on the screen if you're

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<v Speaker 1>watching on YouTube, which just should be big. Thank you too,

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<v Speaker 1>editor Joe. Of course we appreciate him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah mostly, Yeah, for sure, big thanks to Pilo Bones.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said already, I a little bit want to

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<v Speaker 1>give the nation a little bit of an update because

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do a deck today, we sure are, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna combine it with a topic because we are

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the year, and honestly, over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of the year, I've gotten.

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<v Speaker 3>About I want to say, about fifty to fifty feedback

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<v Speaker 3>on I like deck techs, I like topics, and so

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<v Speaker 3>it's one of the last episodes of the year. We're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna do both, all right. So before that, though, we

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<v Speaker 3>got some we got some exciting stuff. It's it's actually

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<v Speaker 3>it's actually cool stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So new Patreon benefits coming up in the new year,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't want to let the cat out of

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<v Speaker 1>the bag yet because we're not one hundred percent sure

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<v Speaker 1>how we're gonna utilize the damn studio. Big thank you

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<v Speaker 1>to producing Gary for letting us use it here. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not sure how we're gonna use it yet. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bunch of cameras and they're streaming like live

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<v Speaker 1>streaming capabilities, and there's like.

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<v Speaker 2>We can cocktail arcade machine kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of set cameras wherever we need them as long as

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<v Speaker 1>they're not up anybody's skirts.

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<v Speaker 2>And you don't know that, well, I mean people are

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<v Speaker 2>into that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know kink shaming in the nation. I suppose I

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<v Speaker 1>could shoot one up Uncle Brando's skirt.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a skirt. Yeah, cool, whatever, Maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll be a benefit.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you gonna do make fun of me for

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<v Speaker 2>watch every What are you an asshole?

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<v Speaker 1>That was one thing new benefits and another one is

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<v Speaker 1>we I guess sort of. Just today for the damn studio,

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<v Speaker 1>I was sweat. Everybody was drinking beer. I was the

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<v Speaker 1>only one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're drinking some beer.

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<v Speaker 1>And we finished the second set that's in here, and

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<v Speaker 1>now it it could give us a new look. It

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<v Speaker 1>could give us a whole new look.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually looking at it, it actually did. It did a

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<v Speaker 2>good job.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, there we go. Well, I I only nailed the

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<v Speaker 1>boards on it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't compliment you very often on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>So I compliment the size of your wiener all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, and it's it's worked over, and you know what, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the end of the year. And I'm just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm it's not a euphemism for anything. I compliment the

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<v Speaker 1>size of his wiener all the time. He really does

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. Sometimes I'm like, I've never seen it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just I just I just legends I've heard

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<v Speaker 1>the legends. Yeah, that's it. That's it. If this is

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<v Speaker 1>the first time you've tuned into Commander Cookout podcast, We're sorry, welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome aboard. Oh okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's one that I'm actually really excited about. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a ton of feedback on and and and

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<v Speaker 1>it was remarked earlier in the day that people just

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<v Speaker 1>want me out of here. But we got a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of feedback when I broke my leg ha ha ha,

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<v Speaker 1>when producer when producer Gary came in and did like

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<v Speaker 1>the the the i'll call them the newbie shows where

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<v Speaker 1>you were the subject matter expert answering questions and learning

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<v Speaker 1>about magic and like gaming culture because he's he's a

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<v Speaker 1>traditional like video gamer, as are you, and he is

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<v Speaker 1>not a magic player, right, But to have him come

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<v Speaker 1>on and be like a radio personality, like somebody who's

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<v Speaker 1>professionally trained in speaking into a microphone, asking questions and

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<v Speaker 1>creating conversation. We had a lot of positive feedback on

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<v Speaker 1>that and from the nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, we got lots of first deck for Gary decks.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so many.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have one of them put together. But Gary

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<v Speaker 2>didn't come to Calgary, so he didn't get to play it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, yes, I told him the wrong date on purpose. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he did go to Calgary, but nobody was there. He

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<v Speaker 1>walks into the convention center. He looks like that meme

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<v Speaker 1>with with John Travolta.

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<v Speaker 2>He showed up to the the Hitman bar and girl

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<v Speaker 2>had an absolutely mid meal. Yes, but like in really

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<v Speaker 2>great ambiance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's French for ambience.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just a little disappointed because nobody else was there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, No. The other thing too, is we've got

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<v Speaker 1>other a few other like friends and people that have

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<v Speaker 1>want wanted to be involved in the show and learn magic,

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<v Speaker 1>or whose family family players learn magic, family members family magic. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and we thought, hey, what a better what what a

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<v Speaker 1>great opera tunity to feature other people and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>recreate those episodes that actually turned out to be kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fun, fun and popular episodes for us. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you like any of that, like and you have topics

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<v Speaker 1>or questions, and if you're new to magic especially, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of stuff that we're kind of wanting to capture.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if you have a concept that you want to

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<v Speaker 2>have delved into but you're not sure how to bridge

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<v Speaker 2>the gap or broach the subject or whatever. Send it

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<v Speaker 2>in and maybe we can we can make it happen

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<v Speaker 2>for you. Maybe we can be that the microphone that

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<v Speaker 2>explains to the person in your life that you would

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<v Speaker 2>like to get play in or like to learn more

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<v Speaker 2>about the game. Maybe we can distill something down and

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<v Speaker 2>help you send it into us on the Discord comdical

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<v Speaker 2>code at gmail dot com. Or or if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon or CEO podcast, yeah, the opposite of what I pointed.

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<v Speaker 2>If you watch on you, yes, it's the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Or if you're Patreon support, there's a messenger service there

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Now, if if you hate all that, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't like the way that any of that sounds, none

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<v Speaker 1>of the regular command or cookout stuff's going anywhere. There's

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<v Speaker 1>still gonna be bullshit, deck techs, beer drinking, CEO experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>Canadian tours, face to face games, fricking Plinko, all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a can of coffee next to the table

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awesome ccoffee. Yep, for sure. And that goes to

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<v Speaker 1>say that new merch coming in twenty twenty five, Sidewalk

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<v Speaker 1>Slam coming in strong, major comeback, and the other thing,

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<v Speaker 1>the last thing that I wanted to touch on before

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit of the look ahead for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five that we're going to be doing in the

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<v Speaker 2>It's the look ahead to the look ahead if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're we're really looking in twenty twenty five to

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<v Speaker 1>beef up our community Spotlight playlist. We've talked to a

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<v Speaker 2>Frogs with jobs.

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five I want to be the year of giving

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<v Speaker 1>Deck Tech today with our topic that we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday on yesterday's pre show. Yeah, buddy, we've got the

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<v Speaker 1>Uncle Brando's grueling Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Uncle Brando's Deep Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody, nobody wants to see that. Oh no, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's so deep nighty you can hear the bells.

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<v Speaker 1>No more, it's so deep you can't see the bottom.

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<v Speaker 2>There will be no coal. Oh, there will be no

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, they'll be a present. It's gonna be special delivery.

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<v Speaker 2>It's glowing moss and lizards. It'll turn you to stone.

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<v Speaker 1>Lizards with no eyeballs because they don't need to see.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Derek.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we've got our twenty twenty four look back on

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot of that, and then after that

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five is going to be a make or break

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<v Speaker 2>here for Magic. And here's a little spoiler for the

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<v Speaker 2>look ahead because Hasbro.

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<v Speaker 1>Who owns Watsie, never heard of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Not stupid. Oh, they adjust quite quickly to They're not

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<v Speaker 2>a company that forces a lot of stuff. If something sucks,

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, see what every board see every board game except

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<v Speaker 1>for Magic, Monopoly and Clue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they just need to be excited all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that this is the year where

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<v Speaker 2>Magic the gathering people. We're gonna have a bigger impact

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<v Speaker 2>moving forward, I hope so well as a direction or not,

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<v Speaker 1>I really do, And I believe that as one of

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<v Speaker 1>Hasbro's main money makers. Maybe you're right. Yeah, right, they've

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<v Speaker 1>boxes that nobody wanted. That No, apparently retailers wanted that,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't want that. They I'm just saying what Weekly

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<v Speaker 2>Weekly MTG. They can I don't want to say they

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<v Speaker 2>can blow it out their ass, but they can't. Sure

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<v Speaker 2>I said it. You know they can blow it out

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Uncle Brando deck deck today, Hell yeah, buddy, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Unpopular deck strategies and how hard to lean in. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've got your deck and we're going to use it

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<v Speaker 1>we've had with unpopular strategies to kind of talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about the thing it creates.

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<v Speaker 1>Well done, dude, Yeah, freaking dumbasses. Okay. So Rev Tithe Extractor.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you think anybody got it in the pre

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<v Speaker 1>you nobody got it. But you're seven. We were really

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<v Speaker 1>seven brain cells, seven out of ten brain cells. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so ten possible brain cells, they have seven of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty two percent of seven, So they're using two brain cells.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, because if you only have seven out of

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, brandology Rev Tithe Extractor three three Human Rogue black three.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever you attack target, creature gains oh death touch until

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I forgot that so many times.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>So many times.

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever one or more creatures you control deal combat damage

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<v Speaker 1>Face down, you may cast that card as long as

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<v Speaker 1>it remains exiled, and uh, that's it. And that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like gaunty. That's kind of like Regavan. That's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like uh, steal your stuff dot thing. Yep, right,

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<v Speaker 1>mono black. So you can't really do multiple combats to

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<v Speaker 2>Make three trash and you technically draw three cards. You

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, just a little poopy, but and this is important.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned this in the kind of thought theory crafting

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<v Speaker 2>it as I built it. First strike slash double strike

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but it doesn't deal damage.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, it doesn't. But if you hit somebody with a

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<v Speaker 2>treasure card and then treasure card again, yes, and then

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<v Speaker 2>double strike is treasure card treasure card, so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's treasure card from first strike and then your other

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<v Speaker 1>guys get treasure card again. Yes, yeah, dudes.

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<v Speaker 2>And then if your dudes have double strike. In this example,

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<v Speaker 2>but none of them are yours.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, No, why are we talking about this in

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm gonna tell you, people hate it when you

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<v Speaker 2>anybody because Ryan and you might not know this unless

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<v Speaker 1>I think they probably know that.

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<v Speaker 2>What Mill does is stop people from playing the cards

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<v Speaker 2>that they've milled, not their decks or their cards.

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<v Speaker 1>The cards that they assume that they're gonna have the

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<v Speaker 2>I would have drawn that next turn.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you took one of my best cards. You took

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<v Speaker 1>my wind condition. Oh man, that was on the top

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<v Speaker 1>of my library. That would have been so good if

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<v Speaker 1>I could have played that, And that's why I put

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<v Speaker 2>I absolutely did that yesterday too, and we'll get to

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<v Speaker 2>that later on in the deck. But people hate that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They hate it, and with I think that in my experience,

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<v Speaker 2>I've played Mill, I've played Turgrid, I've played all those

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<v Speaker 2>steal your stuff, and this one while people don't necessarily.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this, they don't see the card right. No, they

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<v Speaker 1>don't like Gaunty. They don't see the card.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, which is kind of a little fun minigame in itself.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, oh, did Brando get good stuff? And

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<v Speaker 2>you always look at it as if you were reading it,

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<v Speaker 2>I did that so much yesterday. It was so good.

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<v Speaker 2>But so this one is a little bit less I

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<v Speaker 2>think hateful than some of the like like a male

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<v Speaker 2>or a just straight up disc card or just steal

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<v Speaker 1>It only gets one card at a time, but.

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<v Speaker 2>You get one one or two if you're really set

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<v Speaker 2>up with yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And of course you would build your deck in

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<v Speaker 1>that way. It isn't like getting archive trapped and getting

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen at once, yes, or getting broove ACKed and getting

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six at once, or half your library to traumatized.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So nobody was nobody was mad at what I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing until I got them with their own card. Yes, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like I'll do this, well, I'll counter

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<v Speaker 2>that and your counter spell, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think that is is that because because

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing the thing that they put that card in

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<v Speaker 1>the deck so they could do exactly that. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>the same feeling as removing their agency, like when you

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more like it's a jealousy. The example.

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<v Speaker 2>The example is I'm playing against Daden. Aiden has a

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<v Speaker 2>deck he calls Blues Clues that's mono blue and it

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<v Speaker 2>makes clues and then use things to make the clues

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<v Speaker 2>into dudes and then kill you with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. And one of the things he uses to do

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<v Speaker 1>that cyber dying overdrive dye. It makes all of your

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<v Speaker 1>your treasures are clues into four four creatures.

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<v Speaker 2>Were flying first card I stole from them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's one of two win cons in his deck.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. And as you might have heard if you listened

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<v Speaker 2>to and Ryan read Red rev she makes treasures every time.

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<v Speaker 2>And so as you're just kind of doing the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you're just amassing a pile of treasures. And it came

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<v Speaker 2>to a Pomos like, man, I need to kill that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to kill f you Aiden?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep is what you cyber drive dude. All my treasures

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<v Speaker 2>are four four is with flying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, die take thirty six or whatever it was, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was like twenty eight or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>God damn it. I wanted to do that so bad, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he had like fourteen clues, and like fourteen clues

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00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:55.960
<v Speaker 1>is kind of shitty unless you have that exact card exactly.

427
00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Not like he didn't also have all that glitters or

428
00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:03.000
<v Speaker 1>or the other things that make all of your artifacts

429
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<v Speaker 1>into four fours, like marching machines and all that.

430
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<v Speaker 2>I just got lucky and it was cool, and it

431
00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:10.480
<v Speaker 2>was it was a neat experience. But I found that

432
00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:14.920
<v Speaker 2>this one was a little bit less hateful. Although people

433
00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:18.279
<v Speaker 2>were once they figured out what I was doing, they

434
00:21:18.359 --> 00:21:22.200
<v Speaker 2>were making it more difficult. In my head, when I

435
00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.359
<v Speaker 2>built the deck, it's like I'm gonna do one, right,

436
00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:27.440
<v Speaker 2>I do one damage to you every turn, nobody cares.

437
00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Correct to get your chip, it's take one. But when

438
00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:33.880
<v Speaker 2>it's take one, and then I make a treasure and

439
00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:36.599
<v Speaker 2>I get your top card, now people are paying attention,

440
00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:39.920
<v Speaker 2>and but but still nobody's mad. Nobody's got angry. But

441
00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:44.200
<v Speaker 2>people are like, it's fine. You know what if once

442
00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.960
<v Speaker 2>you start playing their wind conditions or their removal or

443
00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:53.640
<v Speaker 2>their best cards. It's like, God damn it, Brando, I

444
00:21:53.680 --> 00:21:57.359
<v Speaker 2>need to stop this immediately, and it turns into the man.

445
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, in your experience now playing Rev a couple times

446
00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:03.279
<v Speaker 1>and playing with or against Gaunty because I know you

447
00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:08.720
<v Speaker 1>have Yep, Okay, I'm gonna hit you for one and

448
00:22:08.799 --> 00:22:12.440
<v Speaker 1>MIL one card or draw your card for you with REV. Right,

449
00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna happen every turn, yep. And if I if

450
00:22:19.079 --> 00:22:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I as the Mono blue mill player, uh, mill you

451
00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:25.200
<v Speaker 1>for one a turn like during my upkeep you mill

452
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<v Speaker 1>one or two?

453
00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

454
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<v Speaker 1>People hate that. People hate that and will go after me.

455
00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh did people hate that and go after you when

456
00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:36.559
<v Speaker 1>you when you drew their top card? Did they hate

457
00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:37.519
<v Speaker 1>that like they hate MIL.

458
00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:38.319
<v Speaker 2>It didn't.

459
00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:40.160
<v Speaker 1>They don't get to see what it is, so it's

460
00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:43.559
<v Speaker 1>not like you're you're it's not like they're losing it

461
00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:45.200
<v Speaker 1>because they don't know what it is.

462
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<v Speaker 2>In the experience I've had so far, it turned into

463
00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:52.119
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like I'm gonna all that attack Brando to

464
00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:54.519
<v Speaker 2>stop him from what he's doing. It turned into more

465
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<v Speaker 2>like I've got this piece of removal that I could

466
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<v Speaker 2>use on something, and I'm gonna do something to stop

467
00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:03.200
<v Speaker 2>at Brando's doing, which is less frustrating because it's not

468
00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:04.960
<v Speaker 2>like I'm the threat, because if I had a bunch

469
00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:07.039
<v Speaker 2>of good shit, I would have played it all because

470
00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I had the manage to do it. But I just

471
00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:11.680
<v Speaker 2>wasn't getting good stuff. And we're gonna get to the floor.

472
00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.480
<v Speaker 1>Well you know what, Like I don't even know how

473
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.880
<v Speaker 1>much of the deck we really need to do, because

474
00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:20.359
<v Speaker 1>I think this conversation is better than doing half of

475
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:25.240
<v Speaker 1>a deck tech how many things like how hard do

476
00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:27.519
<v Speaker 1>you lean in? I guess is the question right? Like

477
00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:31.880
<v Speaker 1>do you have only unblockable guys, menace guys, shadow guys,

478
00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:37.000
<v Speaker 1>flying guys, flying guys so you can maximize that kind

479
00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:39.559
<v Speaker 1>of part of the commander where I'm hitting three different

480
00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:43.920
<v Speaker 1>players to draw three cards extra per turn and take

481
00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.680
<v Speaker 1>their stuff, Like is that the stick?

482
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:48.799
<v Speaker 2>And when I built it, when I sat down and

483
00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.200
<v Speaker 2>I looked at my stuff and I put the deck together,

484
00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:56.359
<v Speaker 2>That's what I thought in my head. And then once

485
00:23:56.440 --> 00:23:58.720
<v Speaker 2>I kind of had that all laid out on the

486
00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:03.079
<v Speaker 2>table in front of me, I was like, well, is

487
00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:05.720
<v Speaker 2>it good enough? Should I should I come up with

488
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.079
<v Speaker 2>every we talk about all the time. Game is gonna

489
00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:11.680
<v Speaker 2>end ye, your your deck has to be able to win.

490
00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:17.960
<v Speaker 2>And the way it was initially conceived it it didn't.

491
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.720
<v Speaker 1>What did it do? It It just what was the

492
00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:23.759
<v Speaker 1>point of it? Before you realized it couldn't win draw.

493
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:27.319
<v Speaker 2>The maximum number of my opponent's cards and then use

494
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:29.920
<v Speaker 2>them to win. But then I realized, like, and after

495
00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:32.640
<v Speaker 2>playing it a couple of times too, it became more solidified.

496
00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Where if you're playing a deck like REV in a

497
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:42.960
<v Speaker 2>really tuned meta, what you're gonna get is key pieces

498
00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:47.279
<v Speaker 2>of removal or interaction and combo pieces that we can

499
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:48.440
<v Speaker 2>use to win a game.

500
00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:51.599
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that happened to me with my with my Grima,

501
00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:54.279
<v Speaker 1>where I steal stuff and I got three fight cards

502
00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:56.599
<v Speaker 1>in a row. I had a one four and everybody

503
00:24:56.640 --> 00:24:59.319
<v Speaker 1>else had two two's, and it was useless to take

504
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:01.440
<v Speaker 1>their stuff because it was all fight cards.

505
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:03.960
<v Speaker 2>And that's the floor where what I was getting was

506
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:05.599
<v Speaker 2>I was playing with a bunch of guys that were

507
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:09.720
<v Speaker 2>playing like kind of kitchy, just random not random decks,

508
00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:11.680
<v Speaker 2>but decks that are built to do the thing that

509
00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:14.480
<v Speaker 2>the deck does. Yes, and when you're taking parts of that,

510
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.799
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get a too too flyer with haste for

511
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:23.799
<v Speaker 2>three or you're gonna get a sol ring if you're lucky. Right,

512
00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:28.440
<v Speaker 2>So the floor on that was really really not low,

513
00:25:28.640 --> 00:25:33.599
<v Speaker 2>but mid that's pretty low, and your deck just ends

514
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 2>up kind of and my deck even it ended up

515
00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:39.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of stalling out a little bit unless you draw

516
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:43.160
<v Speaker 2>into kind of your bigger, stompier stuff. And if you

517
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.000
<v Speaker 2>look at the list, and maybe we'll talk about it

518
00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:47.359
<v Speaker 2>a little bit later in the list, what you're gonna

519
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 2>see is I don't have a lot of just ways

520
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Speaker 2>to just win. I play a professor Onyx chain of

521
00:25:53.480 --> 00:25:57.480
<v Speaker 2>smog combo ye with no way to find it. But

522
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:01.279
<v Speaker 2>that's that's how the deck wins on its own. If

523
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:03.400
<v Speaker 2>we play an interact like a game where for some

524
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:06.920
<v Speaker 2>reason I can't take your stuff if you have a

525
00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:10.839
<v Speaker 2>homeword path, for example, no, and my deck just doesn't

526
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 2>work anymore. That's my out.

527
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's fine because you have no way to

528
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:18.079
<v Speaker 1>find it, so it's not gonna be that consistent.

529
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:21.839
<v Speaker 2>And I literally put wasteland and strip mine in for

530
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:22.799
<v Speaker 2>homeword path.

531
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's pretty good, that's fine, that's fine tech.

532
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's literally why they're there.

533
00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:33.319
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So okay, I want to stealing stuff, Yes, we've highlighted.

534
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 1>That's a strategy that people don't necessarily like.

535
00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:38.000
<v Speaker 2>They don't like to see their own deck doing the

536
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:40.160
<v Speaker 2>thing that their deck is meant to do. Yes, but

537
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:41.240
<v Speaker 2>it's not them doing it.

538
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes. Mill is another one removing their theoretical agency, removing

539
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:51.240
<v Speaker 1>their theoretical strategy, even though it might not have been

540
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:53.839
<v Speaker 1>cards that they ever saw in the game. Ever, you're

541
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.720
<v Speaker 1>probably if you're not playing tutors, you wouldn't have seen

542
00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.599
<v Speaker 1>card number sixty five in your deck unless you got milled. Okay,

543
00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:04.880
<v Speaker 1>so hold on a second. Okay, okay, stealing or or

544
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.400
<v Speaker 1>you're stealing off the top of libraries. But I mean

545
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:11.880
<v Speaker 1>like control magicing, ye, and it's little brother cloning, right,

546
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:13.920
<v Speaker 1>those are kind of the same thing. They come from

547
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the same kind of family. It's an escalation thing, yeah,

548
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:19.079
<v Speaker 1>and the same color combinations.

549
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Usually clones at the bottom, then stealing because they got

550
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:24.039
<v Speaker 2>to play it and maybe they could use it, yep,

551
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:27.559
<v Speaker 2>and then straight up stealing, stealing.

552
00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:28.880
<v Speaker 1>After they've spent manat to cast it.

553
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Although I find people get less agitated about that than

554
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.039
<v Speaker 2>if you just take it and they didn't play it

555
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>because they lost that Like I'm gonna play my whatever,

556
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna get you. And then a couple of

557
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:45.240
<v Speaker 2>turns later was like, I'm gonna take that.

558
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think exiling face up

559
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.240
<v Speaker 1>and you can play at anytime, and then not playing

560
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:53.559
<v Speaker 1>it so they never have a chance to kill it

561
00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and get it back out of their graveyard, right okay.

562
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:57.759
<v Speaker 1>And then the last one that I want to talk about,

563
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:00.839
<v Speaker 1>and all of these things are things that you can

564
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:03.640
<v Speaker 1>lean into a little bit as part of your deck's

565
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:08.079
<v Speaker 1>strategy or substrategy. The next one is stacks, and that

566
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>one is probably the most has the most negative connotation

567
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:16.319
<v Speaker 1>and can be the most egregious. But all of these

568
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>things what they have in common is you can just

569
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:23.160
<v Speaker 1>do a little bit of them. Incidentally, you could put

570
00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:28.079
<v Speaker 1>in a torpor orb and a static orb into your

571
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Murraa deck because they're like maniros two man of manner rocks.

572
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>You could put in stealing or cloning, you know, in

573
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.759
<v Speaker 1>in a deck that plays in a high power meta,

574
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.640
<v Speaker 1>because you can gain a whole bunch of tempo advantage

575
00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>on somebody if you gain control of their haulbreaker horror

576
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:49.279
<v Speaker 1>or their their Galta. I pay four mana to get

577
00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:52.759
<v Speaker 1>to steal your Galta or five mana with a control

578
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>magic to get your galta after you spent well, maybe

579
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Galta is a bad example.

580
00:28:57.599 --> 00:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>With a corrupted conscience and then kill you.

581
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you're right, Like I'm spending less manna to

582
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.640
<v Speaker 1>gain control of your card thereby like giving me that

583
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>card and making you lose it. But that's not what

584
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.359
<v Speaker 1>my deck is about. So when you have strategies like

585
00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>this or cards that do this within a strategy, how

586
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>hard do you lean in and when does it become

587
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:20.119
<v Speaker 1>the deck? That deck? I don't want to use that

588
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:23.119
<v Speaker 1>deck in air quotes, but when does it become the

589
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>stealing deck at five pieces, at ten pieces when you

590
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>facilitates your commander, Like, when does it become that deck?

591
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.160
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's the that's the key point that

592
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of curious about I'm looking for. If

593
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:38.079
<v Speaker 2>you want to comment down below, look the list, or

594
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.680
<v Speaker 2>listen to the show, please let me know or or

595
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:45.079
<v Speaker 2>or or from you what I ran into with this

596
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:49.000
<v Speaker 2>list specifically after a couple of games. What my I

597
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:52.319
<v Speaker 2>leaned as far in as I could with the cards

598
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>that I had at my house.

599
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and leaning in with rev specifically is unblockable guys

600
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:02.279
<v Speaker 1>to maximize, like to draw three extra cards pertec.

601
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 2>It's dudes that I play on turn one that you're

602
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:07.079
<v Speaker 2>not gonna be able to block until turn four. And

603
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 2>by the time it's turn four, I'm probably gonna have

604
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.319
<v Speaker 2>something else that's even harder for you to block.

605
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.079
<v Speaker 1>And those are like the the the guys with shadow

606
00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:19.039
<v Speaker 1>like Dothy Slayer and Horror and Fairy Dream, Thief and

607
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Hope of Gearport's got Flying Nether Trader, Tormented Soul, Vampire, Cutthroat,

608
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>guys that are impossible to.

609
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Block, Ginger, brute, Vulks, can't.

610
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.559
<v Speaker 1>Blocked unless somebody has haste. Yeah right, Yeah, those are.

611
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:34.559
<v Speaker 2>The kind of cards that you're gonna play, right, And

612
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:38.400
<v Speaker 2>but here's the thing with those cards, they're all small. Yes,

613
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:42.240
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if you've ever noticed this, but

614
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I've learned it over the last week or so as

615
00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I built this deck. Did you know that things that

616
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.640
<v Speaker 2>can't be blocked also usually can't block?

617
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, especially in black hate yeah so's or things that

618
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:57.039
<v Speaker 1>have haste.

619
00:30:56.839 --> 00:31:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Can't be blocked. There's a lot of nice in the wind, yes,

620
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.079
<v Speaker 2>dex so like and I leaned right into it and

621
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>I got just slapped.

622
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.279
<v Speaker 1>So if you're playing, like against a dinosaur deck, let's

623
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:12.079
<v Speaker 1>say you, of course are making treasures to make up

624
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.519
<v Speaker 1>for the lack of ramp in your mono black deck, right,

625
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>but have that you're hitting people for one and one

626
00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 1>and one to draw three cards? Is that worth taking

627
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.039
<v Speaker 1>twelve on dinosaur players? Turn?

628
00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 2>And if if it turned into You're gonna hit me

629
00:31:28.359 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>for twelve and then I'm gonna hit you for sixteen

630
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:35.160
<v Speaker 2>and then one and one and one, then yeah. But

631
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>again in this case, like because I leaned so far

632
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:42.359
<v Speaker 2>into the strategy and I want to do what REV does,

633
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:44.720
<v Speaker 2>and that's kind of it. I don't want to just

634
00:31:44.799 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 2>do mono black stuff. I want to do REV stuff.

635
00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.799
<v Speaker 1>That is cast your opponents multi colored, not just black cards.

636
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.160
<v Speaker 2>I want to play your best stuff and win with it.

637
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 2>But I've discovered, through trial and error and playing it

638
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.839
<v Speaker 2>that maybe I don't get those things. Maybe I don't

639
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:05.640
<v Speaker 2>get the things I need. I don't get Galta, I

640
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 2>get forest.

641
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.799
<v Speaker 1>You could get Galta or forest, yes, and there are

642
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:14.319
<v Speaker 1>times where you did get forest from three players instead

643
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>of Galta from three.

644
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Players exactly, and those are and if you don't get

645
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the the galt. Maybe galt is a bad example because

646
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 2>I's like the one of the better things you could get.

647
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.839
<v Speaker 2>But like, if I don't get like a really good thing,

648
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 2>what I'm left with is a bunch of one ones

649
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.240
<v Speaker 2>that can't block. And so have I leaned too far

650
00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.559
<v Speaker 2>in where now my deck is like kind of non

651
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:41.480
<v Speaker 2>functional based on what your variance is, right, Like, this

652
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.839
<v Speaker 2>is the most ultimate RNG deck I've ever played, and

653
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:47.119
<v Speaker 2>I've played a deck that had every card in a

654
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 2>roll to dice.

655
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.240
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna focus on the

656
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>negative space in a couple of those things. Is you

657
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>could get forest, forest, forest instead of galta galta galta, Right,

658
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 1>and so could the dinosaur player. Of course, so could they,

659
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:07.839
<v Speaker 1>but they probably want that forest to get them to

660
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.839
<v Speaker 1>the next thing that is also not galta like like

661
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:14.119
<v Speaker 1>any other big green dinosaur.

662
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:18.519
<v Speaker 2>Right, And in this particular case, forest means nothing because

663
00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:21.359
<v Speaker 2>I can't play them. But further to the point of

664
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 2>how far are you lean into the game we were

665
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.359
<v Speaker 2>talking about, like your stacks and your turget there's a

666
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.640
<v Speaker 2>certain level where if you're going to play a stax deck,

667
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.160
<v Speaker 2>you gotta lean into it. Because otherwise you're just playing

668
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 2>annoying crap. We have a guy at or local LGS.

669
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Speaker 1>We'll just our local local game store.

670
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they'll just pop in with like a random

671
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:41.079
<v Speaker 2>stacks piece, Like what the hell are you doing? That

672
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 2>turns your deck off too, and they're just yeah, well

673
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 2>I have one. It's like, now you're gotta play through

674
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Winter Rob.

675
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 1>For your reason, yes, or you get the really immature,

676
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:57.720
<v Speaker 1>socially immature response, I thought it would be funny. I

677
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.599
<v Speaker 1>just want to annoy guys. Right, Well, you're gonna get

678
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>focused off of the table because you put one card

679
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:06.000
<v Speaker 1>in your deck because you thought it would be funny,

680
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:11.079
<v Speaker 1>and guess what it isn't. And we touched on this

681
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>in the pre show. When your opponents aren't having fun,

682
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:18.519
<v Speaker 1>you think that that's gonna be funny, but it actually isn't.

683
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>It actually isn't gonna be fun for you because nobody

684
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.639
<v Speaker 1>around you is having fun. And when you get focused

685
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>off of the table, then you're not having fun because

686
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.400
<v Speaker 1>you're dead because you're not playing magic anymore. And that's

687
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>when you say, okay, I recognize this card as being

688
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:39.000
<v Speaker 1>powerful and that's why it's getting me focused off the table.

689
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to add another one, and another one, and

690
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>another one and another one. So now I am powerful

691
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.280
<v Speaker 1>and they can't hate me off the table, even if

692
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>they are focusing me. But that detracts from maybe it

693
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>detracts from how you actually win or what the original

694
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 1>focus of the deck was supposed to be.

695
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I will never complain about playing against the st but

696
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:03.519
<v Speaker 2>I will give people shit if they just play like

697
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:10.599
<v Speaker 2>a random, non parody breaking stacks piece. That just f's

698
00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody Like if you drop a turn two null rod

699
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.000
<v Speaker 2>off of a soul ring, like what are you doing?

700
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Why are you doing that?

701
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:18.679
<v Speaker 1>Because your should ring wouldn't even untap exactly.

702
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, it's gonna be funny. It's like, no, man, like,

703
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.280
<v Speaker 2>why are you doing that? It's just making the game

704
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.079
<v Speaker 2>takeaway longer. Well, everybody plays treasures and I want them

705
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:29.199
<v Speaker 2>to work. Come on, but lean into that stuff. If

706
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:32.199
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna play tur Grid and I did this on

707
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Sidewalk Slam and in my list and people can see

708
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>those things, lean into it. Play pos play all those

709
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 2>guys that come into play. Everybody sacks a thing, play

710
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.119
<v Speaker 2>that shit, because if you're gonna do it, do it.

711
00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>I think.

712
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 2>But this is a thing like this one rev like

713
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:48.639
<v Speaker 2>how hold on don't?

714
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't can't leave that thought yet. Kay, there was

715
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.519
<v Speaker 1>a time where where you would and we've said it

716
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.519
<v Speaker 1>on the show Shields Down tur Grid or Shields Down

717
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.159
<v Speaker 1>talks or it's not that talktural deck and you have

718
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 1>to qualify it. I think I'm at the point where

719
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>AI either assume that it is or it just is

720
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:15.599
<v Speaker 1>that deck. And I think there's not really any secrets

721
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:19.239
<v Speaker 1>in Commander anymore. There's no secret strategy, there's no hidden

722
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:22.880
<v Speaker 1>gems like thanks edh Reck, You're a great tool. But

723
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>if I want to make a discard deck and I

724
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.960
<v Speaker 1>go to the discard theme, I'm gonna find Turgert, I'm

725
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:31.239
<v Speaker 1>gonna find tiny Bones, and there isn't any secrets there.

726
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:33.199
<v Speaker 1>So if I see a target or a tiny Bones deck,

727
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not knocking those decks. But if I see one,

728
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:37.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to assume that it is that deck, and

729
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to treat it as such, because I don't

730
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.920
<v Speaker 1>expect anybody to have to change what they're doing and

731
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 1>change how it is that that deck operates because of

732
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.239
<v Speaker 1>a social stigma. So I'm just going to operate like

733
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.440
<v Speaker 1>it is that, And I think that it should be that.

734
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:56.159
<v Speaker 1>And that's what you just said. If you're gonna do it,

735
00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:58.719
<v Speaker 1>do it. Don't play a turger deck and say, oh,

736
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I only got one discard card in here.

737
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Why would you do that?

738
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Why don't you play any other black command Why don't

739
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.960
<v Speaker 1>you play freaking like Gallo Braid or morn Fin if

740
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:11.360
<v Speaker 1>you freaking deep cut there, if if you only have

741
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.599
<v Speaker 1>one discard card in your mono black deck.

742
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, if you're not gonna do it, lean in or don't, right,

743
00:37:17.079 --> 00:37:19.519
<v Speaker 2>don't bother doing it. And but there are those those

744
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:21.880
<v Speaker 2>gray area commanders, and this is one of them. I'm

745
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 2>trying to think of another one, like off the top

746
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>of my head.

747
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>Anamar is like that because because there are known lists

748
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 1>non c EDH list, and then there's anamorphs el Drasi morphs,

749
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 1>there's artifact, an Anna ARTIFACTO morphs.

750
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:41.159
<v Speaker 2>No no, no, it's morpha facts.

751
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:45.800
<v Speaker 1>No no, it's not morph it's Anna facts and art

752
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:51.559
<v Speaker 1>of art of man. I can't do it. But it's

753
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.719
<v Speaker 1>an artifact animal list, right, And it's halfway in between

754
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:58.039
<v Speaker 1>being just regular bullshit and and CDH.

755
00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.159
<v Speaker 2>And there's I think that there's gradients in all lot

756
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:01.880
<v Speaker 2>of those kind of decks, and this is one of

757
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:04.480
<v Speaker 2>them where it's there's how far do you go into it?

758
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Like how far do you lean in? Especially what you're

759
00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.639
<v Speaker 2>doing is gonna be on Oh no, I I just

760
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.280
<v Speaker 2>got it. I just got it. I just got it.

761
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, some commanders. Let's say Turggert again is representative

762
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.880
<v Speaker 1>of the strategy Grand Arbiter Augustine the fourth representative of

763
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:26.679
<v Speaker 1>the tax strategy. Yeah, okay, So if I'm doing that,

764
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm doing. Okay, Okay, if I'm if I'm

765
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>playing that commander and not doing that, play literally anything else,

766
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:39.760
<v Speaker 1>and you and your opponents will have a better time

767
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 1>because they won't assume anything. Right, And REV isn't necessarily representative,

768
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:52.280
<v Speaker 1>at least not yet, of the steel your opponent's stuff strategy.

769
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 1>That's probably something in blue, maybe maybe cast from exile.

770
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's the the representation that this is trying to achieve.

771
00:39:01.199 --> 00:39:03.960
<v Speaker 1>But that's not even this either, because there's other better

772
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:07.599
<v Speaker 1>cards that cast from exile. What what's the red black.

773
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:15.000
<v Speaker 2>One profit prosper Prosper Yeah, right, like wolf lady, Well.

774
00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:19.159
<v Speaker 1>This isn't representative of anything, So I think there exists

775
00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:21.760
<v Speaker 1>a gradient where you can say, yeah, there's some big

776
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 1>Mono black Demon bullshit, but there's also some steel your

777
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff because that's how I have my my card advantage.

778
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Instead of draw to lose to I'm gonna draw your

779
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.519
<v Speaker 1>cards because probably you're playing good cards in your deck.

780
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.039
<v Speaker 2>And that's why I wanted to do it, because then

781
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to place shit like sign in blood.

782
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 1>I guess my card and it gives you a unique

783
00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:45.639
<v Speaker 1>gameplay experience. Remember when that was the backbone of Commander

784
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Cookoat for the last eight years.

785
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:50.840
<v Speaker 2>And that's something that that thing that this deck does

786
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:51.679
<v Speaker 2>that every time.

787
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, because you're playing you have access to four

788
00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 1>hundred cards with this deck. Yeah that's cool. You ever

789
00:39:58.519 --> 00:39:58.880
<v Speaker 1>think of that?

790
00:39:59.159 --> 00:39:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

791
00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So some strategies have a representative commander for that strategy.

792
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Some strategies are just ironically that strategy. Like if I

793
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:12.119
<v Speaker 1>was playing, if I was playing my balthor Mono Black

794
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:15.679
<v Speaker 1>Zombie deck just kidding, it's a Stax deck, right, that

795
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:17.280
<v Speaker 1>would be an ironic Stax deck.

796
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.599
<v Speaker 2>Right. In that case, I would have to lean all

797
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the way in, right, I locked the whole game out

798
00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 2>forever until we just draw discard draw discard until I

799
00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:29.920
<v Speaker 2>have enough shit in my graveyard that I can win,

800
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:34.159
<v Speaker 2>and then I bowthor them back. Yes, and I hate it.

801
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 2>I hate every moment of that.

802
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:40.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, my parody is on turn ninety six. Yeah, when

803
00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:43.639
<v Speaker 1>eighty five cards are in my graveyard, I reanimate them

804
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.559
<v Speaker 1>all and kill you to death with gray Merchant. Yes,

805
00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:51.519
<v Speaker 1>and frickin' massacre worm the worst. Oh, but that would

806
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>be like an ironic thing that I would have to

807
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:56.559
<v Speaker 1>lean into, because who can stay alive that long unless

808
00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 1>you're staxing everybody?

809
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Right, I feel like that would almost be right

810
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.199
<v Speaker 2>representative at that point, and.

811
00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:04.280
<v Speaker 1>There's there's no gray area there though. It's not like, oh,

812
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm playing this because it's an artifact and it interacts

813
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:10.320
<v Speaker 1>with my commander and it's and it's good for my meta,

814
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.639
<v Speaker 1>and I thought it would be funny. No, I'm either

815
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.239
<v Speaker 1>doing it or I'm not right, or if I want

816
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>to do that kind of that kind of stuff, I'll

817
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:20.079
<v Speaker 1>play Turgrit and actually fucking do it. Right, man, is

818
00:41:20.119 --> 00:41:21.679
<v Speaker 1>so goody good.

819
00:41:21.679 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't take her up. No, I should have taken it.

820
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:25.280
<v Speaker 1>I do know I did.

821
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.559
<v Speaker 2>I took her that I actually took her apart to

822
00:41:28.679 --> 00:41:32.400
<v Speaker 2>build uh tour brand and Rankell and I took tour

823
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Brann and Wrankle apart to build.

824
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Rev There you go. Well, hey, we've spent a lot

825
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 1>of time. I don't even know what our time is

826
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>their producer, Gary, what are we looking at?

827
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we can we can talk some cards.

828
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk some cards. Any surprises in this deck that

829
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 1>you think people ought.

830
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.039
<v Speaker 2>To know about? Yes, who don't want to?

831
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Just look at Dahrek dot com because you could.

832
00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.119
<v Speaker 2>Let's go to the draw the tot and draw for

833
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.440
<v Speaker 2>just a second. I want to talk ron. I want

834
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.159
<v Speaker 2>to talk about some of these because there's some neat

835
00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:00.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a couple of neat cards that you're not gonna

836
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 2>play anywhere else. Probably.

837
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:03.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, we got a dark Tutelage.

838
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's a dark confident enchantment.

839
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:09.480
<v Speaker 1>You've got a vampre Tutor, which just searches for shit.

840
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.679
<v Speaker 2>I want that to be a dark confidant. Probably, here's

841
00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:15.239
<v Speaker 2>a here's the thing. I don't own one, so I

842
00:42:15.320 --> 00:42:18.199
<v Speaker 2>played Vampire Tutor instead. If I own a Dark Confidant,

843
00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 2>I will cut it. I will cut the van because

844
00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 2>you can attack with it. Yes, yeah, and most of

845
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 2>my cards cost two, so I don't care if I

846
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.360
<v Speaker 2>take some damage. I also play a Dark Star Augur,

847
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 2>which is a flyer that's a dark confidant that can

848
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:35.400
<v Speaker 2>create a one to one Dark Confidant. Very cool, underrated card.

849
00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's a new card from.

850
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Bloomboro seventy or sixty nine. Nice American sense.

851
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:42.599
<v Speaker 1>Right there you go. And if you want it to

852
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:46.760
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853
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.400
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854
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:51.280
<v Speaker 2>Now, the last two cards in this section of the

855
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:52.119
<v Speaker 2>ones I want to talk about.

856
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, wait, this one, this one does not cost two.

857
00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Read got six.

858
00:42:56.760 --> 00:43:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Staff of Eden Vaults keys a legendary artist fact for six.

859
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:04.159
<v Speaker 2>When it comes into play, you put target legendary permanent

860
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.159
<v Speaker 2>from a graveyard into planet of your control.

861
00:43:06.960 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 1>That's already doing what you want to do.

862
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 2>That's already pretty cool. Then it also has tap draw

863
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:14.239
<v Speaker 2>card for each permanent you control but don't own. Ooh,

864
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 2>so the more stuff you've played from your opponents, the

865
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:18.800
<v Speaker 2>more cards you draw by tapping this card.

866
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 1>That's really good. Yeah, that's good. I actually I think

867
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.639
<v Speaker 1>that that's a good fit for this deck. Not so

868
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.679
<v Speaker 1>good as dark confidence. Yes you sure, you take some lea.

869
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:31.679
<v Speaker 2>This is a good I like this one. You read

870
00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:31.920
<v Speaker 2>this one.

871
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 1>We've got a Prator's grasp a sorcery for black Black one.

872
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Search your opponent's fricking library. Search your opponent's library for

873
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:42.719
<v Speaker 1>a card an excelent face down. Then that player shuffles

874
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.519
<v Speaker 1>their library and you look and play that card for

875
00:43:45.599 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 1>as long as it remains excellent.

876
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 2>You demonic tutor your opponent's library.

877
00:43:49.239 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Hey do you play like a Gester's Cap in here? Oh?

878
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I probably should.

879
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I don't think that you can play those cards,

880
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.960
<v Speaker 1>though they can. Jester's Cap or Jester's Mask or both.

881
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 1>They both do something thing similar where it's like search

882
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 1>your opponent's.

883
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Ship library and take the thing out forever.

884
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what else did you want to talk about?

885
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Here's another one that I wanted to do, where there's

886
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:13.039
<v Speaker 2>a Valgavath, the Valgavath blood Bud, blood Sky.

887
00:44:13.159 --> 00:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Sire, Butthole sire.

888
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, blood Sky Sire. This is a game outside the

889
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:26.159
<v Speaker 2>game card that I love in this deck. Okay, it's

890
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 2>a two three death toucher for Black two. When it attacks,

891
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:34.519
<v Speaker 2>you can pay Black one to search target or target

892
00:44:34.599 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 2>player searches their library for a card, then puts there,

893
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:44.480
<v Speaker 2>puts that card on top of it. Let's say, let's

894
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:48.360
<v Speaker 2>just say, for example, five Color of mona white angelra

895
00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>is playing Avason. Yes, how are we going to get

896
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:55.920
<v Speaker 2>through this fucking Avason? Well, we need a path?

897
00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:58.920
<v Speaker 1>Well are you I'm playing a white deck. Are you

898
00:44:59.079 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>me to search my ship?

899
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Can you attack me? Exactly? Are you? Are you playing one?

900
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Well you want to take one? Well, yeah I do.

901
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 2>So you get in with Valagavath and you're one one

902
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 2>and you search your library for a path. I use

903
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.800
<v Speaker 2>rev to get it and use my treasure token to

904
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:16.880
<v Speaker 2>path the Avison.

905
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, or you're a chromatic lantern.

906
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:20.760
<v Speaker 2>That you also have in here, which I also play.

907
00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:24.719
<v Speaker 2>It's it's a fantastic political card that is so overt

908
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:26.880
<v Speaker 2>like it's literally like, well, what do we need to

909
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 2>kill this bro?

910
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Well? Can you do you have it?

911
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I do, Well, let's find it and let's do that. Okay,

912
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:34.599
<v Speaker 2>let's do the thing.

913
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 1>That exact scenario.

914
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:40.079
<v Speaker 2>It's like power Rangers all more. It's morph in times

915
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:40.880
<v Speaker 2>go together.

916
00:45:41.360 --> 00:45:44.239
<v Speaker 1>That exact scenario, except if you Alex is also playing,

917
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:47.760
<v Speaker 1>and I search for my path and you cast it,

918
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:50.800
<v Speaker 1>except it's on one of Alex's shit and you dirty

919
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.800
<v Speaker 1>double cross me and Alex and kill Alex and then

920
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:57.039
<v Speaker 1>you do something else that angel Aaron's avison. Oh man,

921
00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.760
<v Speaker 1>can you imagine? Can you imagine the the ship that

922
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:01.360
<v Speaker 1>would go down?

923
00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.280
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing with that one, because that'll then

924
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:04.360
<v Speaker 2>it'll never work again.

925
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you just dude, you just have to freaking politick

926
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 1>and lie.

927
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Everybody is the one that's the liar. I'm the one

928
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:19.800
<v Speaker 2>that's probably.

929
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Gonna cheat, which is also just lying.

930
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, but it's just it's lying without getting caught.

931
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's read these Gestures cap four drop artifacts. You

932
00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>pay two tap sacket, search target player's library for three

933
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.840
<v Speaker 1>cards Exylum. Then that player shuffles. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't

934
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:39.360
<v Speaker 1>do what we want. Okay, then we've got Gesture's mask

935
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:42.679
<v Speaker 1>comes into play taped costs five. This originally from ice Age,

936
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.280
<v Speaker 1>so you know it's good. And then you can when

937
00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:48.880
<v Speaker 1>you untap it, you go one tap it, sacrifice it,

938
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.599
<v Speaker 1>target oppon it puts the cards from their hand on

939
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:53.719
<v Speaker 1>the top of their library and then searches for that

940
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.320
<v Speaker 1>many cards and puts those cards into their hand.

941
00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:58.199
<v Speaker 2>Why would you ever do that?

942
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Because you can target yourself no opponent target opponent.

943
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Why would you ever do that?

944
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe you know what's in their hand and they got

945
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 1>a banger like angel Aaron's got an avison in his hand.

946
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 2>But if you put their hand back, they could just

947
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 2>search what was in their hand and get it again.

948
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 2>This card sucks. I say it was stupid. That was

949
00:47:15.960 --> 00:47:16.639
<v Speaker 2>a bad set.

950
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 1>They put their hand on top of their library, then

951
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:22.280
<v Speaker 1>they searched their library. This card is stupid.

952
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:29.559
<v Speaker 2>They could have been like, nah, that's what they can say. Nah. Wait,

953
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that they paid. I paid five and

954
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:35.760
<v Speaker 2>waited a turn and then paid another one. I think

955
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 2>that's sacked a card that.

956
00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 1>I think that they still search for a piece of

957
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.920
<v Speaker 1>removal and team up. I think in the same example

958
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:43.920
<v Speaker 1>that you gave with angel Aaron's avison, I think that

959
00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 1>I would still search for something that would kill it.

960
00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:49.239
<v Speaker 2>They just find their combo and win. I'll definitely get

961
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:51.639
<v Speaker 2>in five called the model angel Ane. By winning the

962
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>game with all the cards, I.

963
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Just better, even better. Okay, I'll get the path to

964
00:47:55.800 --> 00:47:58.239
<v Speaker 1>exile and then I'll combo.

965
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:00.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll pass it is I want to I want to

966
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:01.760
<v Speaker 2>stay to the deal.

967
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:05.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, then I'll no lying or cheating there. Hey, life

968
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:07.639
<v Speaker 1>lessons a commander cookoud See, we've come full circle. We

969
00:48:07.800 --> 00:48:10.000
<v Speaker 1>pretended that we were gonna lie and cheat, and then

970
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>we then we totally held fast to our original plan.

971
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Takes us right back to a tractable where you said

972
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.239
<v Speaker 2>that he was going to end the turn with his

973
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 2>land in his hand or whatever, and he did because

974
00:48:20.840 --> 00:48:23.719
<v Speaker 2>he was shuf was he lost?

975
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:29.400
<v Speaker 1>I go down as one of my hot might go

976
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:32.800
<v Speaker 1>down as one of my my dirtiest moves ever. What

977
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.760
<v Speaker 1>a sucker shown to barrass What a guy? What a

978
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:39.039
<v Speaker 1>loser at magic? He just doesn't win games when he

979
00:48:39.119 --> 00:48:45.719
<v Speaker 1>plays against me? Right here? All right? Well, should we

980
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:46.400
<v Speaker 1>even read.

981
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:49.599
<v Speaker 2>Justter stept it's probably it's probably way worse any.

982
00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Any other surprises in your revenue any others you You

983
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 1>said you've got lands, and I do this in my

984
00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:00.239
<v Speaker 1>in my mind skinner deck for the same reason. You've

985
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:03.119
<v Speaker 1>got Eye of the Hive of the Eye Tyrant, which

986
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:07.400
<v Speaker 1>turns into a three three black beholder creature with whenever

987
00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:09.760
<v Speaker 1>this creature attacks X out the top card of Defending

988
00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:15.960
<v Speaker 1>players Library or yeah, defending player's graveyard. Yep, sure it

989
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:20.480
<v Speaker 1>also has flying right, that's got menis, I think menace, yes, menis,

990
00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:21.960
<v Speaker 1>so they can't it's harder to block.

991
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:23.639
<v Speaker 2>So it's tough to block. And if you get the

992
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:26.039
<v Speaker 2>showcase art, which I have, it also has a picture

993
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:27.719
<v Speaker 2>of me on it, which is great.

994
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah kind of that guy does look it looks a

995
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.519
<v Speaker 1>lot like me when I'm like, I hope editor Joe's

996
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:34.639
<v Speaker 1>got the the D and D book cover version of

997
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 1>that up on the screen. And then you've got an

998
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:38.960
<v Speaker 1>ink moth nexus because it's a flyer yep. And you've

999
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.760
<v Speaker 1>got a a what's the last one?

1000
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 2>I have a Meschwiz Factory because I own one, not

1001
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 2>because they're so rude, but like I got one out

1002
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:48.519
<v Speaker 2>of the I got one, like a secret one comes

1003
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:50.239
<v Speaker 2>a two two and I thought it was cool. Yeah,

1004
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:52.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a two two that like people forget about and

1005
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:53.880
<v Speaker 2>they tap out. It's like I'm get you with my

1006
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:54.760
<v Speaker 2>land dickhead.

1007
00:49:54.840 --> 00:49:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you draw a card. Yeah, yeah, I do.

1008
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I've got a Fairy Conclave in my mind Skinner deck

1009
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>because I can hit for two and mill an extra two.

1010
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:06.639
<v Speaker 1>But if I have a mind skinner to attack because

1011
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:09.280
<v Speaker 1>it's unblockable, and then I've got a fairy Conclave that

1012
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 1>I can attack with, but equip with like a bone

1013
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.719
<v Speaker 1>bone hoard sure gives plus x plus x for each

1014
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 1>card in all each creature in all graveyards, so it

1015
00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:22.519
<v Speaker 1>gives like plus thirty to my to my fairy Conclave attacks.

1016
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I move no flyers. Everybody mills forty some right, so

1017
00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:28.519
<v Speaker 1>I kind of do the same thing. They're leveraging the

1018
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:33.559
<v Speaker 1>non expected creature random creature lands. Hey, I think they're

1019
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 1>making a comeback.

1020
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Some of them are cool. They're they're making them more efficient.

1021
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.880
<v Speaker 2>There was two other cards I learned the secret power

1022
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:41.960
<v Speaker 2>of playing stand. I mean, maybe I'm just the first

1023
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 2>one to I'm not the first one, but I think

1024
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.559
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm just realizing this. But Ubliet's a really good

1025
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:48.760
<v Speaker 2>card in Commander.

1026
00:50:48.440 --> 00:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's it's basically Oblivion Ring but in black.

1027
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.119
<v Speaker 1>But but but it phases. Yeah, it phases.

1028
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:57.199
<v Speaker 2>Now it gets the Commander the way you want it to,

1029
00:50:57.679 --> 00:51:01.320
<v Speaker 2>because the most Oblivion Ring doesn't where Zubliet does. And

1030
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:05.360
<v Speaker 2>I am playing that in the form of Beholder's paralyzing ray.

1031
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:06.760
<v Speaker 1>You don't just play Ubliet.

1032
00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:07.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

1033
00:51:07.199 --> 00:51:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't bad.

1034
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:09.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't actually have a regular Bubiet. I only have

1035
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:11.880
<v Speaker 2>the singular one. That's why I bought that secret lay,

1036
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:12.840
<v Speaker 2>so we gonna have abet.

1037
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:15.679
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent of the ubliets that I own are

1038
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.960
<v Speaker 1>from Arabian Nights. That's way cooler than I'm a try hard.

1039
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's way better. And the other one that I

1040
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.639
<v Speaker 2>just a card that's way cooler. Maybe not the best,

1041
00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:28.199
<v Speaker 2>but way cooler that I think people give it credit

1042
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:29.960
<v Speaker 2>for is a bistle Harvester.

1043
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh that sounds like a cool name.

1044
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Is It's great? It has cool art. It's right at

1045
00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.519
<v Speaker 2>the top over here. Oh yeah, it's black black one

1046
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:40.360
<v Speaker 2>for a demon warlock three to two. You can tap

1047
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.719
<v Speaker 2>it to exile a card from a graveyard. It's a

1048
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 2>graveyard removal, and you get a token that's a copy

1049
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.840
<v Speaker 2>of that creature as long as the creature died that turn.

1050
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 1>That's a nightmare in addition to its other types.

1051
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.639
<v Speaker 2>And then if you do it again like you have to,

1052
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 2>you only have one nightmare token at a time. But man,

1053
00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:00.719
<v Speaker 2>like it's the dividends. It's so good, Like it was

1054
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:02.320
<v Speaker 2>remarkably good.

1055
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:05.440
<v Speaker 1>You know what I like about that is if something

1056
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:08.639
<v Speaker 1>did get cast by your opponents and killed or milled

1057
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, it's in their graveyard. You can remove it.

1058
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.559
<v Speaker 1>That's good. We already know the graveyard removal is good.

1059
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:18.840
<v Speaker 1>But I'm still playing this card. I'm still enacting that

1060
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:21.559
<v Speaker 1>steal your stuff strategy, but now I'm doing it in

1061
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:25.079
<v Speaker 1>a way that is traditionally black instead of drawing off

1062
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:26.920
<v Speaker 1>the top of your deck. So I like that as

1063
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:33.000
<v Speaker 1>a as a functional and flavorful strategic, flavorful include in

1064
00:52:33.039 --> 00:52:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the deck.

1065
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:35.440
<v Speaker 2>I like that lot. And I just want to talk

1066
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.840
<v Speaker 2>about this one card that I just this is fucking cool.

1067
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:40.719
<v Speaker 2>It's called outrageous robbery.

1068
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:47.519
<v Speaker 4>Outrageous robbery is an instant, an instant, mind you for

1069
00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:53.519
<v Speaker 4>black black X target opponent exiles the top X cards.

1070
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Of their library face down.

1071
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:57.719
<v Speaker 2>For as long as they're exiled, you can play them,

1072
00:52:58.360 --> 00:52:59.840
<v Speaker 2>and you can use man as if it was any

1073
00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:00.639
<v Speaker 2>to play them.

1074
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:05.559
<v Speaker 1>What you're saying is we have the opportunity to do

1075
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:07.000
<v Speaker 1>black Mill.

1076
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, did we just did?

1077
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.239
<v Speaker 1>We just everybody turned it off.

1078
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.239
<v Speaker 2>We did it. Everybody securly a mill deck as long

1079
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:17.280
<v Speaker 2>as you have outrageous robbery.

1080
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:17.800
<v Speaker 1>So much.

1081
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:21.440
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing. You're playing a land Yep, you're

1082
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:25.159
<v Speaker 2>playing the BDB black package. So you can make a

1083
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:29.280
<v Speaker 2>ton of manna and you're making a three treasure every turn.

1084
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:32.360
<v Speaker 2>I played this. I played two out of two games

1085
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:34.880
<v Speaker 2>last night. I played Outrageous Robbery in both of them,

1086
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.360
<v Speaker 2>and I did it for not less than thirteen each time.

1087
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:38.840
<v Speaker 1>Because you can do it at the end of your

1088
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:41.039
<v Speaker 1>turn and as long as they remain XIL, you can

1089
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 1>just you can just play lands every turn off that.

1090
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you may play those cards for as long as erabadex.

1091
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:56.400
<v Speaker 1>What yeah, look at and play those cards.

1092
00:53:56.599 --> 00:54:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah cool, Yeah, go get one monto Black Bill

1093
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:04.960
<v Speaker 2>mill Baby, pick it up. And there's lots of other

1094
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:07.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of neat stuff that I leaned basically anything that

1095
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.239
<v Speaker 2>said I told you when we talked about rev a

1096
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:13.280
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks ago. I've been kind of conserving all

1097
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:15.159
<v Speaker 2>the cards that are like that where it says draw

1098
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.800
<v Speaker 2>cards off your opponent's library upon stuff.

1099
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Usually those are red cards.

1100
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Hey, well, usually red is from you, Black is from

1101
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:22.880
<v Speaker 2>your opponent.

1102
00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh Red also likes cast from Exile. Yeah, Red also

1103
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:26.800
<v Speaker 1>likes that.

1104
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Black just likes to take your opponent's shit. And you

1105
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:31.800
<v Speaker 2>can't just say draw card off your opponent's library.

1106
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:35.920
<v Speaker 1>That's yeah. Magic. Magic rules aren't structured that way.

1107
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but This is saying essentially that where you draw

1108
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:42.280
<v Speaker 2>card off your opponent's library, and so I kept all

1109
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.000
<v Speaker 2>the cards I could find that do that. And that's

1110
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:46.840
<v Speaker 2>why I wanted to build this because it's like, man, like,

1111
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to do anything. All I have to

1112
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 2>do is build a deck that doesn't damage every turn,

1113
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:55.199
<v Speaker 2>and I can just take advantage of your hard work.

1114
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:56.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to do shit.

1115
00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:57.960
<v Speaker 1>You know what My favorite part of this is, and

1116
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:00.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take it back to kind of the the

1117
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.039
<v Speaker 1>crux of the conversation is to do that quickly and effectively,

1118
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:08.119
<v Speaker 1>like to drop rev on turn four and be able

1119
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.440
<v Speaker 1>to hit three people by that time. You need to

1120
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.360
<v Speaker 1>play little guys traditionally ones that aren't going to win

1121
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.079
<v Speaker 1>you or go over the top at the top end

1122
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:20.760
<v Speaker 1>of the power level in Commander, so you are limiting yourself.

1123
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:23.840
<v Speaker 1>And because you want to go turn one, turn two,

1124
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:27.639
<v Speaker 1>turn three, Guy Guy Guy turn four, Rev get in there,

1125
00:55:27.800 --> 00:55:30.119
<v Speaker 1>like you got to have the redundancy and you have

1126
00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.320
<v Speaker 1>to lean all the way in and you're still not

1127
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:38.239
<v Speaker 1>necessarily getting a payoff for that, Like Okay, turn one,

1128
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Land Guy, turn two, Land Guy three, Land Guy four,

1129
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:45.159
<v Speaker 1>Land Rev I exile your crater Hoof Behemoth. Well, look

1130
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 1>at the pattern I just demonstrated. It's going to be

1131
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:49.639
<v Speaker 1>another four turns. It's gonna be turn eight before I

1132
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.119
<v Speaker 1>can cast your crater hoof. Maybe if I didn't spend

1133
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:54.519
<v Speaker 1>any of the treasures that I made because I missed

1134
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a land drop somewhere in there, and then it's turn eight,

1135
00:55:57.800 --> 00:55:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and then it's then it's the same thing as you

1136
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:02.360
<v Speaker 1>having the creator who in your hand in it being

1137
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:04.400
<v Speaker 1>turn eight. It's the same thing. So when I lean

1138
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:08.199
<v Speaker 1>all the way in, it's not that egregious, and it's

1139
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:10.920
<v Speaker 1>not like Turgrid, and it's not like Grand Arbiter, and

1140
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:15.320
<v Speaker 1>it's not like Bruvac, right, And if you are playing those,

1141
00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:17.960
<v Speaker 1>lean all the way in or play something else. I

1142
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:23.039
<v Speaker 1>think that's my takeaway from this is some strategies lean

1143
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 1>all the way into. No, I think lean all the

1144
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:28.159
<v Speaker 1>way into whatever strategy you want to play. If that's

1145
00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:29.800
<v Speaker 1>what you want to do, I think lean all the

1146
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:30.039
<v Speaker 1>way in.

1147
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:31.119
<v Speaker 2>That's a hot take.

1148
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:33.679
<v Speaker 1>I say, lean all the way in, and maybe you

1149
00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:37.480
<v Speaker 1>can split your deck. Maybe some strategies allow you to say, oh,

1150
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:40.559
<v Speaker 1>I've maximized however much of this that I actually need

1151
00:56:40.679 --> 00:56:43.880
<v Speaker 1>because I'm playing a ton of card drawn scry, but

1152
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 1>card dron scry is like the bones of my deck's

1153
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:50.079
<v Speaker 1>that's not the strategy, it's the enablement that I need

1154
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:54.159
<v Speaker 1>to make my twelve card redundancy that I've leaned all

1155
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:56.760
<v Speaker 1>the way into work, right, lean all the way in

1156
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:01.719
<v Speaker 1>or fucking don't, I don't know, don't don't, don't, don't

1157
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:05.159
<v Speaker 1>don't try and justify. Ah, well, it's not that turgered

1158
00:57:05.199 --> 00:57:06.360
<v Speaker 1>that because I only play you.

1159
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Know, Pox, Yeah, only I only play Pox, and then

1160
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:13.960
<v Speaker 2>play them all, then six tutors to find Pox, and

1161
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:16.400
<v Speaker 2>then nine more cards that put Pox back in my.

1162
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Hand, play them all and you know what do do? Okay?

1163
00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Then that's leaning all the way in on pox. Yeah,

1164
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:24.039
<v Speaker 1>and pox is like your win con. How different is

1165
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:26.719
<v Speaker 1>that than making uh what did you call it? BBC

1166
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:30.239
<v Speaker 1>black MANA b BBM big black MANA. And they just

1167
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:34.719
<v Speaker 1>and then just saying exanguinate take fifty two, take enough,

1168
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Like how is how is that any different? Right? So

1169
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.199
<v Speaker 1>I say lean all the way in, because that's how

1170
00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:42.280
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna get that over the top end game power

1171
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:46.599
<v Speaker 1>level that causes games to end. And uh, I think

1172
00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:47.239
<v Speaker 1>that that's fine.

1173
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Do you think Ryan's right. You should let us know

1174
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:51.559
<v Speaker 2>down in the comments because I'm still building this and

1175
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:53.920
<v Speaker 2>should I lean in harder? Should I cut things that

1176
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:56.440
<v Speaker 2>cost seven like the elder brain?

1177
00:57:57.519 --> 00:57:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Who never cut the elder brain?

1178
00:57:58.960 --> 00:58:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Should I just the elder bring I don't know what

1179
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the elder it's down here, it's in shakedown because you're

1180
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:04.079
<v Speaker 2>shaking people down.

1181
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Or the elder brain looks exactly what you think it

1182
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:09.920
<v Speaker 1>would look like. Yes, it does if you're grabbing it

1183
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:13.199
<v Speaker 1>and squeezing it, so it's all viny. Yep. Yeah, it's

1184
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:16.159
<v Speaker 1>a six six for seven minutes. When elder brain attacks

1185
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.159
<v Speaker 1>a player, exile all cards in that player's hand, and

1186
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:22.159
<v Speaker 1>then they draw that many cards. You may play land

1187
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and cast spells from among the exiled cards as long

1188
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.000
<v Speaker 1>as they remain exiled. If you cast a card this way,

1189
00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:29.320
<v Speaker 1>you may spend manna as the older Manna of any

1190
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:30.199
<v Speaker 1>color to cast it.

1191
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Just draw their hand.

1192
00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fine. That does the exact same things as

1193
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:36.159
<v Speaker 1>a frickin' rev.

1194
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.280
<v Speaker 2>But should I cut that for a go for the throat?

1195
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:41.559
<v Speaker 1>No? Because this card can win you games if you

1196
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:46.440
<v Speaker 1>if you randomly, because you will because you have randomly

1197
00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:49.119
<v Speaker 1>whiff on stuff that you're stealing. This card can win

1198
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:52.280
<v Speaker 1>you games. It's because it takes away what at the

1199
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.079
<v Speaker 1>point that you're at seven mana. Probably they have cards

1200
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:57.599
<v Speaker 1>that are at the point of the game left over

1201
00:58:57.679 --> 00:58:59.280
<v Speaker 1>in their hand that are going to win them the game.

1202
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Now you have those cards, and you have a six

1203
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:05.159
<v Speaker 1>to six. This is the kind of card that does

1204
00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.679
<v Speaker 1>win you the game, Okay. Yeah, and it still provides you,

1205
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:13.480
<v Speaker 1>because you're using somebody else's shit, a unique gameplay experience

1206
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and them a unique gameplay experience, probably because they've crafted

1207
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:19.639
<v Speaker 1>their hand in a way that they think is going

1208
00:59:19.679 --> 00:59:22.960
<v Speaker 1>to win them the game based on previous experience and

1209
00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:26.119
<v Speaker 1>what the strategy of their deck is. Do it again now,

1210
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:27.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna hit you at the elder brain. Do it

1211
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.639
<v Speaker 1>again now. And now it's a unique hand and a

1212
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:33.679
<v Speaker 1>challenge every time that it's my turn, because I'm going

1213
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:36.639
<v Speaker 1>to attack them. Yeah, that's good. I like that card

1214
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:37.039
<v Speaker 1>in the deck.

1215
00:59:37.079 --> 00:59:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Elder Brand's a good card.

1216
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.400
<v Speaker 1>And that's you leaning all the way in on your strategy.

1217
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:43.599
<v Speaker 1>That's them and you getting a unique experience. It's you

1218
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:45.480
<v Speaker 1>playing a card called a frickin' elder brain.

1219
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Look, and it looks like an actual brain I

1220
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:50.480
<v Speaker 2>thought it looked like I'm not saying that's what I mean.

1221
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean like, okay, I'm just.

1222
00:59:53.079 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about the same thing that never happens.

1223
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:58.000
<v Speaker 2>It never happens. Yeah, two kicks in the ass if

1224
00:59:58.000 --> 00:59:58.639
<v Speaker 2>you look at it. Bro.

1225
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Finally, I was my final thought of the day. Lean

1226
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:01.559
<v Speaker 1>all the way in.

1227
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:03.760
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