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Speaker 2: Now, what are your reporting? I got a string going
Speaker 2: on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to
Speaker 2: kill your dog, my dog. We're flying through there over
Speaker 2: the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn,
Speaker 2: I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming
Speaker 2: over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
Speaker 2: enough out here. Look, I'm new to one now now
Speaker 2: and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello,
Speaker 2: hit the fuddy out here? What quent on out there?
Speaker 2: It's thought of a bitch about text nine. I don't
Speaker 2: know easy an out there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm walking right, heady, all right, folks, will welcome
Speaker 1: o guest back to the show. It is Kevin from Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: Sir, Thank you very much. Bud.
Speaker 1: We don't really necessarily have anything new as far as
Speaker 1: encounters to talk about, but that there's some things that
Speaker 1: have been on your mind, certainly on my mind. Probably
Speaker 1: most people listening that pay attention to Bigfoot know there's
Speaker 1: some new things out there that have been circling around
Speaker 1: the drain. So let's talk about some of those things,
Speaker 1: some of the things that have been on your mind
Speaker 1: and your radar recently from doing some of your self
Speaker 1: admitted which we all do. You're researching from the couch
Speaker 1: or an armchair research and just like we all.
Speaker 3: Are, if you can't get out there and do the
Speaker 3: real thing, the next best thing you can do at least.
Speaker 3: So that's what I've been doing. On top of work
Speaker 3: and everything else that goes on in one's personal life,
Speaker 3: been doing a lot of reading, more so than I
Speaker 3: actually ever had. I have plenty of big boot friends
Speaker 3: who said, oh, you read this book, read that book,
Speaker 3: and I always said, no, I really liked more the
Speaker 3: new videos that come out, the new YouTube clips that
Speaker 3: come out, and I try to analyze them myself, and
Speaker 3: it's not doing anything. I'm just simply watching them, absorbing
Speaker 3: the content and making up my own mind, right as
Speaker 3: I'm sure a lot of the audience does. But outside
Speaker 3: of that, there's been specific stories that have just really
Speaker 3: captured my attention. When we were talking about just before
Speaker 3: this was the Michael Patterson footage or audio that you
Speaker 3: might hear. Frankly, it is just bananas. This guy's talking
Speaker 3: to a bigfoot and this guy's responding back. And the
Speaker 3: closest thing that I could liken this bigfoot's vocal patterns
Speaker 3: or vocal depthnesss is Sloth from the Goonies. It's almost
Speaker 3: too replicative of that. So that's interesting. The Diela passes
Speaker 3: still in my mind and things that have gone on there,
Speaker 3: and just like the mystery around that. Of course, as
Speaker 3: we were just mentioned, before we start recording, here was
Speaker 3: just the idea of this bigfoot throwing a tree gets
Speaker 3: caught on a trail cam. I don't know what this
Speaker 3: is from some type of cryptid X files. I think
Speaker 3: that's maybe where it came from. I don't know if
Speaker 3: that's a channel or a group. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: guess Bryer maybe thinking that's someone who's been more or
Speaker 3: less been deemed a hoaxure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's take it one by one.
Speaker 1: I want to start off. You mentioned Michael Patterson, our
Speaker 1: friend is really not my friend from North of the
Speaker 1: border up in Canada. It's not really something that I've
Speaker 1: talked about much on this show, but I'm glad you
Speaker 1: brought it up because if you don't listen to that
Speaker 1: Bigfoot podcast, which shame on you, guys. The majority of
Speaker 1: this audience actually doesn't listen to that show. I know
Speaker 1: because I see the numbers. But if you don't listen
Speaker 1: to that, Wayne and I have talked about Mike Patterson
Speaker 1: so much recently. We did an episode recently where he
Speaker 1: had just posted a video of this alleged Bigfoot that
Speaker 1: he says is singing him a song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, knows him by name, calls him out by name, exactly,
Speaker 3: full disclosure.
Speaker 1: If you know anything about Mike Patterson, if you go
Speaker 1: back into the archives and look at his channel Sasquatch Ontario,
Speaker 1: I think he's at about eighty thousand subscribers at this
Speaker 1: point on YouTube, which to me is absolutely ridiculous because
Speaker 1: everything that this guy puts out is complete, in one
Speaker 1: hundred percent horseshit when it comes to Bigfoot. And I
Speaker 1: say that because I know there is a channel if
Speaker 1: you guys want to go check out. Speaking of YouTube,
Speaker 1: head over to YouTube and check out the truth prevails.
Speaker 1: It is an entire channel that is dedicated to the
Speaker 1: Mike Patterson Sasquatch Ontario paxery that's going on. Dwayne, his
Speaker 1: research partner, has admitted there's audio and video of this
Speaker 1: happening over on the Truth Prevailed channel on YouTube. Dwayne,
Speaker 1: his research partner, has admitted multiple times over the course
Speaker 1: of the last several years that everything that you hear,
Speaker 1: as far as.
Speaker 3: NEP's voice talking to Mike here, that was literally it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was literally Yes.
Speaker 1: We did an entire episode over on that Bigfoot podcast
Speaker 1: and the title of that was Brian is Nef because
Speaker 1: I talked to Nef the majority of that podcast, and
Speaker 1: it's Dwayne breathing in basically while he's talking. Some people
Speaker 1: believe that he is hoaxing Mike Patterson. I personally don't
Speaker 1: believe that. I think at some point in time that
Speaker 1: might have been the case. But I believe Mike has
Speaker 1: an IQ above seventy five, so I don't think he's
Speaker 1: being hoaxed here. I think he's complicit in this because
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that these videos that this guy
Speaker 1: puts out there, there's any shadow of him that actually
Speaker 1: believes this stuff is true. Now he says that Nef
Speaker 1: and some of these other sasquatch that are interdimensional that
Speaker 1: can materialize it, will come into his home, set on
Speaker 1: his sofa and take selfies with his camera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was actually I don't know if you recall
Speaker 3: the first time I heard about this man. It must
Speaker 3: have been like almost twenty years ago. There was a
Speaker 3: Canadian program that had come out. He'd leave a book
Speaker 3: out and there would be these drawings of flowers that
Speaker 3: would happen, or like these stick figures. Otherwise he would
Speaker 3: find these really intricate woven stick ornaments, which you can
Speaker 3: believe it because that has happened. The gifting has happened.
Speaker 3: So he's taken some credible experiences that others have had
Speaker 3: and if he is manipulating, that's just so sad. But
Speaker 3: then he'll also say they'll be talking, and there was
Speaker 3: a point in the show where he was being interviewed
Speaker 3: and like a marble would just come out of nowhere
Speaker 3: and he said, oh, paraphrasing here, but oh, that's a
Speaker 3: marble I left out in the woods and he just
Speaker 3: threw it back to me and sure, no, this interviewer
Speaker 3: and Mike are having a conversation. You just hear this
Speaker 3: like tap and they're like, what was that? Yeah? I
Speaker 3: get marbles thrown at me all the time, and I
Speaker 3: guess it's that's how long this has stayed in my memory.
Speaker 3: Bank rent Free unfortunately, and it's so sad to hear that,
Speaker 3: like Folkstapp perhaps another fella out in Canada as well.
Speaker 3: I won't necessarily mention, but who are saying that they've
Speaker 3: got such credible footage or an audio for what you're
Speaker 3: two minutes of fame. Meanwhile, this is actually maybe a
Speaker 3: good segue into some of these books that I'm reading,
Speaker 3: where it's you're taking away from such scientific opportunity to
Speaker 3: understand these species. You're really just destroying everyone's credibility. And
Speaker 3: when you have people like Jeff Meldrum, who does have
Speaker 3: the academic credibility to say that once and for all
Speaker 3: that these things are real, that you can't fake these footprints,
Speaker 3: and yet science and society just as you guys are
Speaker 3: off your rocker. It's just unfortunate.
Speaker 1: It really pisses me off because I see it in
Speaker 1: real time. Wayne and I just got back a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago from the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference, and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call anybody by name, but there
Speaker 1: were people there speaking that were making definitive statements to
Speaker 1: all of these people in the audience about Bigfoot, and
Speaker 1: there's frankly no way that they could substantiate anything that
Speaker 1: they're saying. And Wayne and I just talked about this
Speaker 1: again on that Bigfoot podcast in an upcoming episode. We
Speaker 1: were talking about some of that stuff and breaking that down.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. I was the last speaker on
Speaker 1: Saturday at the conference, and this lady spoke up. She
Speaker 1: was her first conference, She was there.
Speaker 2: With her daughter.
Speaker 1: She was ecstatic to be there. She was so excited
Speaker 1: to be around people who are into bigfoot and in
Speaker 1: her words, not mine. She had sat through all of
Speaker 1: these amazing speeches from these speakers that gave her all
Speaker 1: of this amazing information that she was just soaking in
Speaker 1: like a sponge. It was unfortunate that I had to
Speaker 1: stand there and shake my head and go, you know, internally,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, probably eighty five percent of everything you heard
Speaker 1: today is completely nothing more than conjecture. It's circumstantial at best,
Speaker 1: and it is all opinion that has been dressed as
Speaker 1: fact and spoon fed to you and everybody in this
Speaker 1: room today, and it's just really unfortunate because that's what
Speaker 1: ultimately happens with people like Todd Standing, or people like
Speaker 1: Mike Patterson or any of these other people that perpetuate
Speaker 1: these false narratives that they have built their proverbial homes
Speaker 1: and careers. Because here's to answer your question, why they
Speaker 1: do what they do. If you have eighty thousand subscribers
Speaker 1: on YouTube and you're getting fifteen to twenty to thirty
Speaker 1: forty thousand views on a video, you're getting paid. And
Speaker 1: Todd's full time job is his one hundred plus thousand
Speaker 1: subscriber YouTube channel, and then the fact that he gets
Speaker 1: paid three to four thousand dollars per person to take
Speaker 1: people out on these expeditions up and rate in his
Speaker 1: research area. That's his motivation. It's just really sad, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that people are picking up on some of the things
Speaker 1: that people are putting out there as fact, when in
Speaker 1: fact they're not facts. They're just conjecture and their opinions.
Speaker 1: The other person that you mentioned the video that we
Speaker 1: were talking about was Sunny Vader. Again, it's one of
Speaker 1: those things where you and I were talking before we
Speaker 1: hit record. It's so unfortunate, and I know there are
Speaker 1: people out there who were doing this to the best
Speaker 1: of their ability. There are people out there that are
Speaker 1: trying to put together as much information as possible and
Speaker 1: put it into one centralized data bank or repository, if
Speaker 1: you will, for people that are coming into Bigfoot, because
Speaker 1: I know that we need this because there's so many
Speaker 1: people that are interested that are coming into this for
Speaker 1: the very first time, and they're getting so much misinformation.
Speaker 1: If we had a repository that people could trust, that
Speaker 1: people would funnel this stuff in, and even if it's
Speaker 1: just putting up videos like Sonny Vader that have been
Speaker 1: proven to be hostes, so that people like you who
Speaker 1: stumble across them, or me or anybody else who's just
Speaker 1: coming into this, whether you've been in at twenty years
Speaker 1: or you've been in at twenty minutes, to say no,
Speaker 1: this has been a proven hoax. I guarantee you it's
Speaker 1: going to happen. We just had it recently with I
Speaker 1: don't know if you saw the ridiculous video in my opinion,
Speaker 1: of this guy in a suit laying under a tree,
Speaker 1: and it's viral that it's this close up HD quality
Speaker 1: video of a Sasquatch. It's clearly a dude in a suit.
Speaker 1: And guess what. The company who made the video has
Speaker 1: now come out and said, oh, that was our promotional
Speaker 1: video for this that's happening on Saturday from this time
Speaker 1: to this time.
Speaker 3: That's right, great job, guys.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you it'll surface back, just like the Colorado
Speaker 1: Train video from last year. It'll all make its rounds
Speaker 1: and people will continue to go down the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: and get miss and disinformation from folks. So I think
Speaker 1: it's important that we have these kind of conversations because
Speaker 1: it's great to just share people's experiences and encounters and
Speaker 1: it's ooh and it's ah and it's scary and it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: But if you're really into this subject, which I think
Speaker 1: a lot of my audience is for the right reasons,
Speaker 1: they're trying to do their own research and make up
Speaker 1: their own minds, I think these kind of conversations are
Speaker 1: very important, and that's why Wayne and I started that
Speaker 1: Bigfoot podcast, is to have these kind of conversations with
Speaker 1: each other and other people to hopefully do away with
Speaker 1: some of that because we've been beating our heads into
Speaker 1: the wall and I'm sure it probably frustrates you as well.
Speaker 1: You can talk about this all you want. This huge
Speaker 1: audience that we have, tens of thousands of people are
Speaker 1: going to hear our voices and talking about this. Most
Speaker 1: of the time it goes in one ear and out
Speaker 1: the other, and they continue to click on these YouTube channels,
Speaker 1: and these folks get paid for sharing that diss and misinformation.
Speaker 1: It just boggles my mind.
Speaker 3: Well, and I guess I'm surprised now that we want
Speaker 3: to talk about the credibility side of this and the
Speaker 3: checks and balances side. When the Sierra Silence came out,
Speaker 3: I was really impressed by Scott Nelson, who actually did
Speaker 3: the analysis of that recording, and he was the first
Speaker 3: one to step out and say, I have ex military,
Speaker 3: I have certain credentials. This is why I'm into this.
Speaker 3: If he was interested, Unless I've missed something, that's a
Speaker 3: credible person stepping through and saying Sierras sounds are real.
Speaker 3: You can't replicate that. That's not someone in a microphone,
Speaker 3: especially from the nineteen seventies when that was recorded. The
Speaker 3: other thing is I've always wanted to find this person
Speaker 3: doing more podcast work. I know some bigfoot podcasts can
Speaker 3: necessarily get this person on. But this thinker thunker on YouTube,
Speaker 3: take him or leave him. He has this really scientific
Speaker 3: way of just measuring anything that's ever captured. It's basically
Speaker 3: taking your arm, your torso, and your leg and mapping
Speaker 3: that to Patty is basically like anything. He'll just say,
Speaker 3: that's human proportions. Cay solved, that's not human proportions. What
Speaker 3: is it?
Speaker 2: Then?
Speaker 3: Nine and ten times you're looking at what There's been
Speaker 3: a time or two where I'm like, I don't even
Speaker 3: think that what you're proving there's some like chimp size
Speaker 3: bigfoots in a forest area. I was black and white
Speaker 3: nighttime video. What bought my eye directly was that you
Speaker 3: could see bamboo. So I'm like, okay, this is clearly
Speaker 3: not in the States unless there's bamboo. Maybe I don't
Speaker 3: in Florida, but to the point where it just as
Speaker 3: he was measuring, I just don't agree that's another creature
Speaker 3: other than hope humans or kids being dressed up as
Speaker 3: type of monkey. Right. But getting back to more of
Speaker 3: the proven hard science, like I had mentioned too as
Speaker 3: old Brian, I'm going through a bunch of books lately
Speaker 3: because that's the only thing I can do gotten a
Speaker 3: little bit more away from the youtubing staff and the videos,
Speaker 3: because to your point, there's always something new, but then
Speaker 3: you always have to wait for it to be disproven
Speaker 3: and get your heart broken. But where you're not really
Speaker 3: going to get your heart broken per se is actually
Speaker 3: some of the books that you could possibly pick Updquatch
Speaker 3: Legend met Science by Jeff Meldrum that's going to investigate
Speaker 3: physical evidence, footprints, hair samples, examining cultural narratives surrounding the creature.
Speaker 3: It is chocked full. It's like the Encyclopedia before that one.
Speaker 3: Though before Sasquatch Legend meads Science came around, there was
Speaker 3: also The Abominable Snowmen Legend Come to Life by Ivan
Speaker 3: Sanderson that is a in depth exploration of the yeti
Speaker 3: similar cryptids of the world. He's combining that field research
Speaker 3: folklore first hand accounts, presents a comprehensive look at the
Speaker 3: evidence and theories surrounding sasquatch, bigfoot, Yeti, but just a
Speaker 3: mass amount of data there. Then you can get into
Speaker 3: other ones too. If you want to touch on either
Speaker 3: of those books.
Speaker 1: I can certainly go down that Roadie. I'll be honest
Speaker 1: with you. I've talked a little bit about you mentioned
Speaker 1: the Sierra sound I too, like you, was extremely impressed
Speaker 1: with those the very first time that I heard them.
Speaker 1: I have heard what sounds like samurai chatter when I
Speaker 1: was on expedition up and Radium last year. I have
Speaker 1: a place in my heart for those. But I tell you,
Speaker 1: the more that I've gotten into them and looked into
Speaker 1: the sounds, I don't doubt Scott Nelson's credibility at all.
Speaker 1: I'm just not so convinced as I was that he
Speaker 1: is completely right about the Sierra sounds. I'll just leave
Speaker 1: it at that. I think Thinker Thunker does a great
Speaker 1: job in Bigfoot with breaking down some of those things.
Speaker 1: I have used some of Thinker Thunker's videos in the
Speaker 1: past to talk about different things we've talked about on
Speaker 1: the show. Here's the problem I have with Thinker Thuncker.
Speaker 1: I think he has a very good way of thinker
Speaker 1: thunkering his math and his science see stuff that he does.
Speaker 1: But to me, it's very air quote science y. It
Speaker 1: sounds great and it looks great, and ninety percent of
Speaker 1: the time I agree with him that's right. I'm just
Speaker 1: not so sure that it is as sciencey as some
Speaker 1: people might think. Now, I know he uses the innermemberl
Speaker 1: index or the link to the arm versus the limits
Speaker 1: of the leg. Yeah, I totally get all of that,
Speaker 1: but I'm very weary when it comes to the Thinker
Speaker 1: Thunker rhythms because I know he did a breakdown one
Speaker 1: of the most recent videos he did. I guess it's
Speaker 1: been within the last month. Wayne and I talked about
Speaker 1: it on that Bigfoot podcast. I believe it was Charlie
Speaker 1: Raymond out in Kentucky had captured It was about six
Speaker 1: years ago. He had captured something that was very similar
Speaker 1: some whoops that were similar to the whoops in the
Speaker 1: Sierra Sounds. So Thinker Thunker did this breakdown. He did
Speaker 1: a whoop of him whooping. He took the Ron moorehead
Speaker 1: whoops from the tapes and then he compared them to
Speaker 1: the Sasquatch in the tapes on the Sierra Sounds, and
Speaker 1: he compared them to what was captured in Kentucky. And
Speaker 1: it's clear. You put it in a spectrogram and you
Speaker 1: can see the difference in the sounds. The alleged Sasquatch
Speaker 1: whoops are way different than anything I think a person
Speaker 1: can do. So I'm not doubting that there may be
Speaker 1: sasquatch whoops on these tapes and the Kentucky tapes and
Speaker 1: the Sierra tapes. But I'm very weary when it comes
Speaker 1: to all things thinker Thucker.
Speaker 3: So what would it take for you to hear something
Speaker 3: audio wise and be like, that's it for me that
Speaker 3: is just not human? Or would that be just because
Speaker 3: of today's age and technology. You're just left to just
Speaker 3: always being skeptical.
Speaker 1: I'm always going to be skeptical. I can tell you now.
Speaker 1: I have had experiences that have completely convinced me, without
Speaker 1: a shadow of a doubt, one hundred percent of the
Speaker 1: Sasquatch are real. They exist. I'm no longer in that
Speaker 1: limbo that I was. I'm not straddling that fence anymore.
Speaker 1: But I'm still very skeptical when it comes to any
Speaker 1: and everything that people present as evidence because of the
Speaker 1: problems with hoaxery, the things that people can do with
Speaker 1: AI and all the other technologies that exists. Stay tuned
Speaker 1: for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages.
Speaker 3: Audio.
Speaker 1: For me, I've heard some things that have convinced me
Speaker 1: over the last year. Probably we recorded something that I'm
Speaker 1: not sure is an owl in Wisconsin just a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago when we were out on a camp out.
Speaker 1: It sounds like an owl. It just sounds like a
Speaker 1: really big owl. And there was this really weird scream
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the audio. So audio is one
Speaker 1: of those things that it doesn't take a ton for me.
Speaker 1: You got to consider the totality of the circumstances. Who's
Speaker 1: putting the audio forward. Did it come from Tide Standing,
Speaker 1: did it come from Sunny Vader? Did it come from
Speaker 1: Mike Patterson. If it's not a yes on any of
Speaker 1: those fronts, then I probably move forward and say, okay,
Speaker 1: now let's take a real.
Speaker 3: Look at this.
Speaker 1: That's right, But yeah, you have to be skeptical. And
Speaker 1: here's the problem when you're dealing with the novel species
Speaker 1: is you don't have anything to compare it to. If
Speaker 1: somebody comes and says, man, I recorded a baboon in
Speaker 1: my backyard in North Carolina, that's weird. WHOA baboons don't
Speaker 1: exist in North Carolina. We can just go to the
Speaker 1: archives and say, oh, this is bab boon. Sounds boom,
Speaker 1: It matches. But what do you do with the novel
Speaker 1: species when it comes to any of those things, especially audio,
Speaker 1: How do we know that it's a real bigfoot making
Speaker 1: that noise. I believe that the Ohio Howell is a
Speaker 1: genuine creature of some sort making some sort of vocalization.
Speaker 1: I know that some people think it's fake and it's
Speaker 1: an air raid siren or whatever. I'm past that. Can
Speaker 1: I say definitively that it's a sasquatch. No, But I
Speaker 1: can tell you I've heard the exact same thing from
Speaker 1: where I sit right now on my property three years
Speaker 1: ago on multiple occasions, and then I heard it fifty
Speaker 1: yards away from the house. So I know that some
Speaker 1: animal or something makes that noise. I just can't say
Speaker 1: definitively that it's a sasquatch. Audio. For me, I deal
Speaker 1: with audio all the time, so when I hear things
Speaker 1: and it makes my spidy sense go off, I'm apt
Speaker 1: to pay attention, and I can look at audio and say,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what that is. It's possible that
Speaker 1: it's a sasquatch.
Speaker 3: It's hard to because, as you talk about audio on
Speaker 3: the the mediums and how audio has changed since the seventies.
Speaker 3: I think the first folly you and I had, I
Speaker 3: mentioned my baby sasquatch in the tree story. As soon
Speaker 3: as you mentioned I immediately got tooken back to that
Speaker 3: trail hearing some type of an owl, but that, i'll
Speaker 3: sounded like an AR two D two going off. I
Speaker 3: was with Cliff Berkman. She was like, Oh, that's a
Speaker 3: bart owl. Frankly, I don't know if I've ever heard
Speaker 3: of bart owl, but it was just the idea of boy,
Speaker 3: it just did sounded not like an owl, but if
Speaker 3: you're going to say, I'm going to trust you. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: we didn't get that bar Do Dowel on recording. But
Speaker 3: what I did is was able to actually get what
Speaker 3: I swear was raspberry's getting blown from a tree. And
Speaker 3: if you're unfamiliar out there, what raspberries are is you
Speaker 3: just blown win through your lips and like babies do.
Speaker 3: I don't know any other animal that could do that.
Speaker 3: I've tried looking that up. So in the archives that
Speaker 3: you're mentioning about any animals in Oregon, specifically the mountain
Speaker 3: Hood area, who can do that. Please let me know
Speaker 3: King Brian, let him know, Brian, let me know other
Speaker 3: than that chimps or humans or any type of primate
Speaker 3: or monkey or chimp, and humans are the only two
Speaker 3: that can do that. Cats do that, Bob Kat. What's
Speaker 3: more of a hiss sound like cats do is that's
Speaker 3: not a raspberry. So to that point, that's where you're
Speaker 3: hearing this in the audio was very faint. You got
Speaker 3: a lot of wind. Half of the recording of this
Speaker 3: what raspberry going up in crescendo and the like down
Speaker 3: if you will, that's how it happened. But on top
Speaker 3: of that, you got static because your volume, your intake, oh,
Speaker 3: your input is so jacked up that you're catching all
Speaker 3: sorts of winds, static, whatever it might be. It's hard
Speaker 3: to capture audio, and it's hard to assess whether or
Speaker 3: not it's legit, even though you could possibly be there
Speaker 3: in person. You're looking around waiting for mom or data
Speaker 3: bigfoot to come stomping on you because you're trapping their
Speaker 3: bigfoot and tree. So it's hard. It's really hard to
Speaker 3: decide where audio can take you. But that's where I say,
Speaker 3: I'm going back to basics, going back to the books.
Speaker 3: And you mentioned something too, Brian, where you believe in
Speaker 3: these creatures. It truly this lessing blood camp type of thinking,
Speaker 3: this is an animal. This is an animal like we're
Speaker 3: an animal. It's a living, breathing creature. Or now are
Speaker 3: we talking about at what point is if we talk
Speaker 3: about UFOs or talk about portal jumping, or talk about
Speaker 3: orbs along with this topic and as example, another book
Speaker 3: Psychic Saasquatch and their UFO Connection. It's an interesting book
Speaker 3: because that's actually exploring the notion that sasquatch may have
Speaker 3: psychic abilities and a connection to tease, et cetera. But
Speaker 3: interesting book. I definitely has a lot more WU associated
Speaker 3: with it. But does that discredit the flesh and blood
Speaker 3: if we're now talking about the WU. Sup here's the thing.
Speaker 1: The automatic answer would be yes, absolutely, that's what it does,
Speaker 1: because if you believe these things are flesh and blood,
Speaker 1: then you don't really believe that there is a woo
Speaker 1: or high strangeness connection to these creatures. Again, this is
Speaker 1: something that's came up for me so many times. But
Speaker 1: I just had this conversation recently with Tom Powell. I
Speaker 1: had Tom on and this is actually as we record
Speaker 1: this today, it's going to air in a couple of
Speaker 1: days on Sasquatch Odyssey, having the conversation with Tom. He
Speaker 1: started out very skeptical. He made fun of Bigfoot. He
Speaker 1: taught his students it was nothing.
Speaker 4: But a joke.
Speaker 1: He taught a little throwaway class on pseudo science, as
Speaker 1: he called it, and he used Bigfoot as the prime
Speaker 1: example for pseudo science. And then he got into doing reports,
Speaker 1: and he got into talking to people and talking to witnesses,
Speaker 1: and it changed his mind about these things. But it
Speaker 1: also moved him farther down the what would be considered
Speaker 1: the woo or the high strangeness road, because it happens
Speaker 1: to people when you constantly have conversations with people and
Speaker 1: they have these weird, strange, bizarre experiences in conjunction with
Speaker 1: bigfoot encounters and experiences, you start having to go down
Speaker 1: that road, and if nothing else, we those out. Separate
Speaker 1: the wheat from the shaft when it comes to real
Speaker 1: bigfoot encounters. That's what I did for a couple of
Speaker 1: years when I started this show, was separate those things,
Speaker 1: put them into boxes. But I think the more that
Speaker 1: I've talked to people, and the more you get into
Speaker 1: the subject, it just gets weirder and weirder for people.
Speaker 1: I have that conversation with folks, and they'll tell you
Speaker 1: the longer I'm in this, the more I research, the
Speaker 1: weirder and the stranger it gets. Now, does that mean
Speaker 1: that I necessarily subscribe to some of the weirder or
Speaker 1: stranger things bigfoot coming in and out of portals or
Speaker 1: dropped off by UFOs and aliens. Not necessarily, but I'm
Speaker 1: certainly open minded to people's experience. Is is that kind
Speaker 1: of where you are in your research or are you
Speaker 1: middle of the road when it comes to bigfoot.
Speaker 3: So my first and immediate experience, first night out ever,
Speaker 3: was in New Mexico, Los Alamos area, and that's on
Speaker 3: the first time we chatted. That's when I described we
Speaker 3: got growled at. We had a tree get narc down
Speaker 3: all that this mountain cattle can rushing out of the forest,
Speaker 3: damn it. Or if you're not talking about having some audio,
Speaker 3: you have heard these footsteps walking away down the mountain
Speaker 3: clear as day because everything was so quiet. You could
Speaker 3: hear your pulse in your ear, that's how quiet it
Speaker 3: was on this mountain. So that first experienced sun orb
Speaker 3: like I hadman show, it was the same kind of
Speaker 3: color as your background to your in a sasquach out
Speaker 3: to see it. Just this amber came up and it
Speaker 3: just went away, and I thought it was someone's headlight,
Speaker 3: but later on we found out that was like actually
Speaker 3: a hill it went off to nothing. So again, does
Speaker 3: the orbs mean bigfoot? Does the bigfoot mean orbs? Are
Speaker 3: they just coincidents? I don't know, but I do know
Speaker 3: how I got growled at and less an orb growled
Speaker 3: at me and pushed down a tree. Then yeah, sure,
Speaker 3: call me wu camp. And it's hard because there's a
Speaker 3: pretty interesting story of someone seeing a bigfoot coming out
Speaker 3: of spaceship with a briefcase in its hand and almost
Speaker 3: like a Blues Brothers cuffed to the briefcase, and how
Speaker 3: can you take it serious? But yet you don't want
Speaker 3: to discredit this person because who knows, Maybe you can't
Speaker 3: really disprove someone's experience unless they're not all there. And
Speaker 3: a little fun story about Tom Powell. So I met
Speaker 3: him on one of he used to take folks out
Speaker 3: in the woods in the mountain Hood area. And when
Speaker 3: I first met Tom the first night, sure enough, what
Speaker 3: do we see in the sky is just this what
Speaker 3: is it called now? Aerial phenomenon? They're not UFOs anymore.
Speaker 3: So you see this thing kind of float across the
Speaker 3: sky low to the ground. Or it wasn't a satellite,
Speaker 3: but boy, it was just sphracle and just moving. I
Speaker 3: think I had found out that Tom was very much
Speaker 3: okay with the wound. He was all right with that.
Speaker 3: What I loved about Tom was that he slept on
Speaker 3: a cot, no tent, just under a tree. Maybe he
Speaker 3: had a sleeping bag or maybe a couple blankets. But
Speaker 3: I looked at him and I was like, man, he
Speaker 3: is going for it. He does not care if something
Speaker 3: wraps him up. We'll just hoist him over it gets
Speaker 3: hoisted over his shoulder. Forgot that one guy's name, but
Speaker 3: there's an old French traveler story about that. But either way,
Speaker 3: that was impressive. And then the other funny thing was
Speaker 3: that all of a sudden, as we're bigfooting, you just
Speaker 3: hear this kind of off and like the way distance
Speaker 3: singing and see playing guitar and you just hear this
Speaker 3: like a full on I don't know where it was
Speaker 3: from my brother art Thou type of way when you
Speaker 3: just sing it. If you didn't know it was Tom,
Speaker 3: you would be puckering if you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: This was deliverance. Start fucker up because I don't know
Speaker 3: what's about to happen. I like working with Tom. I
Speaker 3: like talking with him. He's a super good guy, super knowledgeable.
Speaker 3: There was a group of fellows who we're trying to
Speaker 3: investigate bigfoot thing, and they actually tried, I believe, hoaxing
Speaker 3: Tom on his own property, which, if we're talking about
Speaker 3: story coming back to the hoaxer's bit, what the hell's
Speaker 3: the matter with you? You're on someone's property and you're
Speaker 3: going to try to get them to bite off on that.
Speaker 3: He was like, I can't believe. I felt so bad
Speaker 3: because you knew later on as you're watching this clip
Speaker 3: that it was like a jackass thing where they were
Speaker 3: just trying to hope some blame or punk them. That
Speaker 3: was unfortunate. I didn't like to see that happen him.
Speaker 3: As far as the WU goes, maybe this is for
Speaker 3: a different podcast, Brian. There's certainly some type of connection
Speaker 3: that I feel with a sasquatch where it's like, if
Speaker 3: you just meditate, you almost feel as if you can
Speaker 3: start to communicate and you can start to get on
Speaker 3: this level with them. No matter how many times I've
Speaker 3: ever said, why don't you come out of the shadows
Speaker 3: and just actually show me yourself, We'll never do it.
Speaker 3: So then you start to wonder, shit, am I going crazy?
Speaker 3: Am I really going into the wu too much? But
Speaker 3: I think I'm talking to my air quotes, talking to
Speaker 3: this bigfoot. But again, like the psychic sasquatch will tell
Speaker 3: you like, yeah, it's possible, And I think there's others
Speaker 3: out there who say it's possible, because that's like a
Speaker 3: gability lead to this whole zapping experience that people sometimes
Speaker 3: have of getting frozen, almost getting panicky, shutting down. It
Speaker 3: has how up into James Bibofey. He reported, it's so
Speaker 3: it happens. But again, is that truly this less and
Speaker 3: blood preacher or is that more of us putting this
Speaker 3: veil on this preacher just because that's what humans do.
Speaker 3: And we're always gonna put a veil on the Boogeyman
Speaker 3: because we don't know what it is, and so let's
Speaker 3: make it something that's not like a yeah, like a Frankenstein. Right,
Speaker 3: That's where I go.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I know people have those kind of mind speak
Speaker 1: type of scenarios. They feel this telepathic communication with Sasquatch.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things again that Todd Standing has
Speaker 1: claimed over the years, and it's just gotten progressively. I
Speaker 1: would say, quote unquote worse in my opinion, but for him,
Speaker 1: he would probably say it's much better because he has
Speaker 1: this amazing connection with Sabe and he can talk to
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot in his area and they tell him things
Speaker 1: a shit information And do I believe that No, out
Speaker 1: you may have that connection. Again, Wayne and I were
Speaker 1: recording an episode of that Bigfoot podcast today and having
Speaker 1: this conversation about animal whisperers, dog whisperer Caesar Milan. Most
Speaker 1: people are familiar with Caesar Milan, the dog whisper, and
Speaker 1: horse whisperers. That's the thing, right, And until Wayne, I said,
Speaker 1: do I think that people who deal with horses that
Speaker 1: called the horse whisper? I think there was a movie
Speaker 1: called The Horse Whisper about this person who can go
Speaker 1: up and do seemingly supernatural things with horses. I think
Speaker 1: it's just intuition. How many times have you been around
Speaker 1: horses or any animal really and somebody says, hey, try
Speaker 1: to stay calm. They pick up on your energy. If
Speaker 1: you're scared of them. They're going to know you're scared.
Speaker 3: Even if you're a or a dog owner. I swear
Speaker 3: catter dog owners. And I don't own a cat or
Speaker 3: a dog, but I know folks who do can talk
Speaker 3: to the dog or the cat and they listen. So
Speaker 3: if they're listening, there's got to be some again, circle
Speaker 3: of communication happening there. And even when you're talking about
Speaker 3: dogs or cats, yeah, I'm sure they talk to you.
Speaker 3: They somehow let you know that they got to go
Speaker 3: out to go to the bathroom, or that they're hungry.
Speaker 3: Granted they might scratch at the back door or their
Speaker 3: food bolt, but it's like whether it's a horse or yeah,
Speaker 3: whether it's that dog whisper or the horse whisper thing.
Speaker 3: But those are creatures that we know, and those are
Speaker 3: creatures that are basically in our bigfoots probably in your
Speaker 3: backyard too, but at least in our an immediate vicinity
Speaker 3: at home. Right, let's just say next door right in
Speaker 3: you're an out of the room because your dog's taking
Speaker 3: a nap. To then say that you're being communicated with
Speaker 3: by a creature that you necessarily have not met in
Speaker 3: the immediate life vicinity, I don't even know how to
Speaker 3: explain that, but that in your dream state, as is
Speaker 3: what I'll say to say that you can then talk
Speaker 3: to this or even like the you go back to
Speaker 3: the Mike Patterson thing, or can call your name because
Speaker 3: they know your name. That to me just leads to
Speaker 3: a very slippery slope made me actually think him as
Speaker 3: you said, owl too again, Brian, there's actually a book
Speaker 3: again I'll call another book I Heard the Owl Call
Speaker 3: My Name. Isn't that a great title? That's by Margaret Craven.
Speaker 3: It's primarily a very pointing exploration of life, death and
Speaker 3: culture understanding through the eyes of a young priest in
Speaker 3: a remote indigenous community in British Columbia. It doesn't necessarily
Speaker 3: revolve around Bigfoot per same, but it does touch on
Speaker 3: this deep connection between the community and the natural surroundings
Speaker 3: in the legends like Taskquatch. There's a book about respecting
Speaker 3: indigenous beliefs the natural world, and you almost start to
Speaker 3: think too as you're reading this book, and those indigenous
Speaker 3: people's native peoples, they would talk to trees, mountains, animals,
Speaker 3: they would talk to the wind. Is that any different
Speaker 3: than talking to Bigfoot or thinking that we could talk
Speaker 3: to bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I definitely see what you're saying. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I ascribe to that because it goes back to the
Speaker 1: horse whisper the dog whisper thing. Like you said, I
Speaker 1: think it's more of an intuition people have. I think
Speaker 1: that you're picking up on body language and unspoken communication,
Speaker 1: nonverbal communication like we do in conversations with each other.
Speaker 1: It happens with animals. I don't necessarily think that extends
Speaker 1: to being able to have a telepathic communication or connection
Speaker 1: with something again that you've never met, because to me,
Speaker 1: it gets into I lean more towards somebody who's being
Speaker 1: disingenuous or trying to hoax people, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: because the centralized thing in that connection for me, between
Speaker 1: a human being says they have a telepathic communication with
Speaker 1: the sasquatch is the only thing that really means for
Speaker 1: the person that's telling that story is that they're special
Speaker 1: in some way. And that seems to be the theme,
Speaker 1: and I think that's what's happening with Todd. When Todd
Speaker 1: first starts going down this road, I said it a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. I said, oh, now you know
Speaker 1: he's done hoaxing videos that didn't get him as far
Speaker 1: as he wanted, and it draws too much attention because
Speaker 1: there's actual evidence that can be analyzed. What's the next
Speaker 1: best thing? You just come out and tell all of
Speaker 1: your followers, Oh, don't worry, I got you. I got
Speaker 1: a telepathic communication with Sabe. I can tell you everything
Speaker 1: they want you to know and everything you need to
Speaker 1: know about Sabe. All you have to do is follow me,
Speaker 1: subscribe to my channel, and pay me to come up
Speaker 1: here and I'll take you out in the woods and
Speaker 1: they'll give me all I need telepathically. What does that
Speaker 1: sound like.
Speaker 3: It's a cult, snake oil, It's a cult.
Speaker 1: It's a bigfoot cult. I am the gatekeeper between you
Speaker 1: and what you seek, which is the information from the omnipresent.
Speaker 3: Sasquatch or Sabe.
Speaker 1: It's no different than cult leaders who do it with
Speaker 1: Jesus or whoever the deity is. It's snake ole and
Speaker 1: I don't buy it.
Speaker 3: Those who haven't gone out there, you absolutely can have
Speaker 3: an experience. You don't need any organization to allow you
Speaker 3: to have an experience. For three hundred plus a ticket
Speaker 3: plus airfare, plus packing all your camp and gear to
Speaker 3: go all across the country, whatever it might be. There's
Speaker 3: so much activity across the entire United States and almost
Speaker 3: literally probably every state at this point besides Hawaii. You
Speaker 3: can find it truly in your backyard. The one thing
Speaker 3: too that I'll say, and I'll pop up another book here,
Speaker 3: is it's actually a good buddy of mine. So it's
Speaker 3: the Sasquatch Paradox. This is by Levi and Macovich. So
Speaker 3: this is really delving to the complexity surrounding the existence
Speaker 3: of sasquatch, really exploring both the scientific and the philosophical
Speaker 3: implications of the belief, but then also really goes into
Speaker 3: it's almost like a and I hope he doesn't think
Speaker 3: that this is very critical, but it's almost like a
Speaker 3: thesis paper to get you to really understand that there's
Speaker 3: no way it could be a suit. No company has
Speaker 3: ever come forward. Could you think of the millions amount
Speaker 3: of dollars or move movies that they could have created
Speaker 3: they had just even the suit or the technology. So
Speaker 3: he does a really good job of if you ever
Speaker 3: are in a argument with a non believer, maybe buy
Speaker 3: the book, maybe give it to him as a gift,
Speaker 3: because he really just goes all out on saying any
Speaker 3: disbelief that you could have is actually going to be
Speaker 3: proven here. So another book that I actually will mention too,
Speaker 3: this is called Sasquatch Apparitions by Barbara Wassan. This is
Speaker 3: a really interesting book because it actually goes over some
Speaker 3: of the bigfoot encounters but also combine some anecdotal evidence.
Speaker 3: One of the things that Sasquatch Apparitions talks about, Barbara
Speaker 3: talks about, is actually some of the investigators and how
Speaker 3: to investigate some of the tools that you could be using,
Speaker 3: or armchair expertise or armchair studying about the topic. Plenty
Speaker 3: of books out there to help you long your way
Speaker 3: and prepare yourself once you can leave the house right.
Speaker 3: What I thought was very interesting about this is she
Speaker 3: he does talk about all these different investigators, some I
Speaker 3: have not even heard of.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. Will be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: But does mention kind of a longer stin with Reneita
Speaker 3: Hinden talked about John Green a bit, but then also
Speaker 3: the Four Horsemen if you will, of bigfooting. I'll let
Speaker 3: everyone else investigate that side of things. But what I
Speaker 3: thought was interesting is really the technology side catching up
Speaker 3: with some of these books to where you have folks
Speaker 3: like Bill Munz who actually does such a hard, deep
Speaker 3: look at the PG film, Patterson Gimlin film and for
Speaker 3: a nineteen sixty seven film. He actually worked with Gimlin's
Speaker 3: family to capture that first generation film. But he actually
Speaker 3: takes a look at it and can tell you, along
Speaker 3: with of course Jeff Meldrums, saying that the angle in
Speaker 3: which this creature lifts its knee as compared to the
Speaker 3: ratio to its ankle and how it's lifting its foot
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah blah. I mean that technology wasn't
Speaker 3: there yet by the time Barbara wrote her book, and
Speaker 3: she actually almost kind of discredits a little bit of
Speaker 3: whether or not to believe the PG film, and I'm
Speaker 3: just like, man, that's gold standard as to the evidence. Again,
Speaker 3: even a piece of film from sixty seven. So it's
Speaker 3: interesting to do the research and if you know enough
Speaker 3: of it, you can also say, oh, man, this author
Speaker 3: wasn't able to experience the technology that we have today
Speaker 3: and maybe perhaps update the book or what she was writing.
Speaker 3: But regardless, it's another one as far as getting into
Speaker 3: the actual credible folks. Melgium even Ivan Sanderson. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of credibility behind these books to really allow you
Speaker 3: to feel like you're not missing anything. In fact, this
Speaker 3: is just as much research, I think as perhaps going
Speaker 3: out I'll be so boldest to say that it's maybe
Speaker 3: just as much research as it is going out in
Speaker 3: the woods and trying to have your own experience and
Speaker 3: capture something on audio or visual, as it is to
Speaker 3: read the experiences of others and to actually start to
Speaker 3: have those conversations with folks who might not believe and say,
Speaker 3: like I even would mention, there has been a circumstance
Speaker 3: on every single continent besides Antarger that has had a sasquatch,
Speaker 3: bigfoot yetti or some type of preacher like that experience
Speaker 3: you've never seen an elephant before, gone to a zoop.
Speaker 3: There are other continents, so it's an interesting way to
Speaker 3: not feel so bad if you're not getting out in
Speaker 3: the woods. That's what I would say.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think reading a book is great. I'll throw
Speaker 1: this out there before we close out. Just a couple
Speaker 1: of more books that you might want to check out.
Speaker 1: The Phenomenal Sasquatch by Matt Pruitt, a phenomenal book to
Speaker 1: pick up if you're just getting into the subject or
Speaker 1: you've been in it for twenty years. Matt looks at
Speaker 1: things in a different way than most people. He's typically
Speaker 1: the smartest guy in the room, but the most unassuming.
Speaker 1: You'd never know it unless you sit down and have
Speaker 1: a conversation with him. So if you're looking to pick
Speaker 1: up a book, pick up The phenomenal Sasquatch, And of
Speaker 1: course there's always sasque much unleashed The Truth behind the
Speaker 1: Legend by Brian king Sharp. You can always pick up
Speaker 1: a copy of that from Hanger One Publishing or anywhere
Speaker 1: you get your books. That'll give you some of the
Speaker 1: same things that we've talked about in some of the
Speaker 1: other books. But I agree with you. I think I
Speaker 1: definitely agree with you because I know that picking up
Speaker 1: a book and doing that kind of research is not
Speaker 1: as sexy as going out and having a camping trip
Speaker 1: with the guys and beaten on trees and screaming and
Speaker 1: doing all the things that bigfooters do when we go
Speaker 1: out into the woods. But picking up and reading a
Speaker 1: book and sharing that information, I think is powerful and
Speaker 1: it is what is needed to push this proverbial ball
Speaker 1: down the field, so to speak, when it comes to Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and I think having conversations like this again, I said
Speaker 1: it in the beginning. It's not as sexy as somebody
Speaker 1: tuning in to fifty minutes plus of somebody giving some
Speaker 1: riveting experience that happened to them twenty years ago in
Speaker 1: the woods. But I think it's time to start having
Speaker 1: those kind of conversations again. That's why Wayne and I
Speaker 1: started that Bigfoot podcast, is to have these kind of
Speaker 1: conversations that may not be as sexy and wonderful as
Speaker 1: some of the other stuff people tune in to listen to,
Speaker 1: but for those that are really into the subject, that
Speaker 1: are really wanting to get the answers to push the
Speaker 1: research farther down the field, I think these are the
Speaker 1: kind of conversations that we need to continue to have
Speaker 1: with people and share the information because a lot of
Speaker 1: it is people haven't gotten the information, they haven't stumbled
Speaker 1: upon it, or they're drinking the kool aid from the
Speaker 1: Todd Standings and the Mike Pattersons and they don't get
Speaker 1: any real information. All they're getting is whatever their cult
Speaker 1: leader is telling them for the week. And we've got
Speaker 1: to change that. We really have to change that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's for all ages. And this is my
Speaker 3: short plug. Brian. I also had written the children's book
Speaker 3: This is Billy Fine's Big Food. It's fun for all ages, right,
Speaker 3: you can tell stories. I wanted to produce this and
Speaker 3: write this, illustrate this book with again help of hanging
Speaker 3: around publishing, so that it really told the story of
Speaker 3: be that explorer. Never stop exploring, respect nature, draw nature,
Speaker 3: Talk to Bigfoot should you come across him, because you
Speaker 3: might actually find out that he'll show you more of
Speaker 3: the force and what you ever thought you could see before. Right,
Speaker 3: So it's got some of those lessons in it. And
Speaker 3: then the other one as far as an adult book
Speaker 3: that I actually couldn't put this book down. I wanted
Speaker 3: to read it again is The Sasquatch Monster of the
Speaker 3: Northwest Woods Emmy Agner the author. It just it plays
Speaker 3: a movie in your head. It almost has it's really
Speaker 3: nice nineteen seventies kind of grainyilm to it, but great read.
Speaker 3: I won't spoil alert here, but it's about what happens
Speaker 3: when you shoot a big foot and it gets pissed off.
Speaker 3: That's a really fun read. There's a whole lot outthers.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it never stops hurting to read, watch things,
Speaker 3: see things, whatever. But at the end of the day, Brian,
Speaker 3: it's like what you and I are doing now, you
Speaker 3: got to continue the conversation because it's really keeping the
Speaker 3: topic alive. I think we have to do this as
Speaker 3: like our indigenous relatives or friends had done. You got
Speaker 3: to continue that story because that story is going to
Speaker 3: continue the generations to keep doing what we're doing because
Speaker 3: we love it. You find friends out of this. It's
Speaker 3: a good wholesome opportunity to just get out in woods,
Speaker 3: get out in nature, go camping, if anything else, and
Speaker 3: if you happen to do some night hiking anyway, have
Speaker 3: an experience. Yeah, that's all I would have to say
Speaker 3: on that one.
Speaker 1: I definitely agree, man. I will link to Hanger One Publishing.
Speaker 1: You can pick up a lot of the books that
Speaker 1: we talked about right there. It's a great place to start.
Speaker 1: They publish Kevin's book, they publish my book, and there's
Speaker 1: tons of books on the subject. So you guys, click
Speaker 1: the Hanger One Publishing link right here in the show
Speaker 1: notes and go pick up a copy of Kevin's book,
Speaker 1: Billy Finds Bigfoot and some of the other books that
Speaker 1: we've talked about tonight. I really appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 1: I had a great time talking to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Likewise, Brian, thanks Ken.
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