WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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It's free to subscribe. 21 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:04.400 So what are you waiting for visit www dot untold 22 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:06.560 radionetwork dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a string going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog, my dog. We're flying through there over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence, and name was dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.400 enough out here. Look, I'm new to one now now 34 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:08.840 and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. Hello, 35 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.680 hit the fuddy out here? What quent on out there? 36 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:15.520 It's thought of a bitch about text nine. I don't 37 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:16.840 know easy an out there? 38 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.919 Yeah, I'm walking right, heady, all right, folks, will welcome 39 00:02:19.919 --> 00:02:23.199 o guest back to the show. It is Kevin from Wisconsin. 40 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:24.319 Welcome back to the show. 41 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:25.560 Sir, Thank you very much. Bud. 42 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:29.199 We don't really necessarily have anything new as far as 43 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.599 encounters to talk about, but that there's some things that 44 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:34.840 have been on your mind, certainly on my mind. Probably 45 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:38.759 most people listening that pay attention to Bigfoot know there's 46 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:41.120 some new things out there that have been circling around 47 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:43.759 the drain. So let's talk about some of those things, 48 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:45.759 some of the things that have been on your mind 49 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.039 and your radar recently from doing some of your self 50 00:02:49.080 --> 00:02:52.400 admitted which we all do. You're researching from the couch 51 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:54.680 or an armchair research and just like we all. 52 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:57.120 Are, if you can't get out there and do the 53 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.960 real thing, the next best thing you can do at least. 54 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.400 So that's what I've been doing. On top of work 55 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:05.680 and everything else that goes on in one's personal life, 56 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:08.479 been doing a lot of reading, more so than I 57 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:11.360 actually ever had. I have plenty of big boot friends 58 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:13.560 who said, oh, you read this book, read that book, 59 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:15.680 and I always said, no, I really liked more the 60 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:20.960 new videos that come out, the new YouTube clips that 61 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.319 come out, and I try to analyze them myself, and 62 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:27.240 it's not doing anything. I'm just simply watching them, absorbing 63 00:03:27.280 --> 00:03:30.080 the content and making up my own mind, right as 64 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:33.639 I'm sure a lot of the audience does. But outside 65 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:36.560 of that, there's been specific stories that have just really 66 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:40.439 captured my attention. When we were talking about just before 67 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:44.960 this was the Michael Patterson footage or audio that you 68 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.400 might hear. Frankly, it is just bananas. This guy's talking 69 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:51.000 to a bigfoot and this guy's responding back. And the 70 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:55.919 closest thing that I could liken this bigfoot's vocal patterns 71 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:00.800 or vocal depthnesss is Sloth from the Goonies. It's almost 72 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:05.759 too replicative of that. So that's interesting. The Diela passes 73 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.520 still in my mind and things that have gone on there, 74 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:11.080 and just like the mystery around that. Of course, as 75 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:14.159 we were just mentioned, before we start recording, here was 76 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:17.240 just the idea of this bigfoot throwing a tree gets 77 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.720 caught on a trail cam. I don't know what this 78 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.079 is from some type of cryptid X files. I think 79 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:23.560 that's maybe where it came from. I don't know if 80 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:25.879 that's a channel or a group. I don't know. I 81 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:30.160 guess Bryer maybe thinking that's someone who's been more or 82 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:31.439 less been deemed a hoaxure. 83 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:34.920 Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's take it one by one. 84 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:38.000 I want to start off. You mentioned Michael Patterson, our 85 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:41.240 friend is really not my friend from North of the 86 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:44.360 border up in Canada. It's not really something that I've 87 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:46.040 talked about much on this show, but I'm glad you 88 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:48.160 brought it up because if you don't listen to that 89 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:51.319 Bigfoot podcast, which shame on you, guys. The majority of 90 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:54.199 this audience actually doesn't listen to that show. I know 91 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:56.959 because I see the numbers. But if you don't listen 92 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.120 to that, Wayne and I have talked about Mike Patterson 93 00:04:59.279 --> 00:05:03.040 so much recently. We did an episode recently where he 94 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:07.360 had just posted a video of this alleged Bigfoot that 95 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:09.160 he says is singing him a song. 96 00:05:09.959 --> 00:05:13.720 Yeah, knows him by name, calls him out by name, exactly, 97 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:14.600 full disclosure. 98 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:16.600 If you know anything about Mike Patterson, if you go 99 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:20.519 back into the archives and look at his channel Sasquatch Ontario, 100 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.759 I think he's at about eighty thousand subscribers at this 101 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.319 point on YouTube, which to me is absolutely ridiculous because 102 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:29.959 everything that this guy puts out is complete, in one 103 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.959 hundred percent horseshit when it comes to Bigfoot. And I 104 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.600 say that because I know there is a channel if 105 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.399 you guys want to go check out. Speaking of YouTube, 106 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.600 head over to YouTube and check out the truth prevails. 107 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:46.720 It is an entire channel that is dedicated to the 108 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:53.160 Mike Patterson Sasquatch Ontario paxery that's going on. Dwayne, his 109 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:57.959 research partner, has admitted there's audio and video of this 110 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:02.160 happening over on the Truth Prevailed channel on YouTube. Dwayne, 111 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:06.279 his research partner, has admitted multiple times over the course 112 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.879 of the last several years that everything that you hear, 113 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:10.839 as far as. 114 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:16.399 NEP's voice talking to Mike here, that was literally it. Yeah, 115 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:17.480 I was literally Yes. 116 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:20.439 We did an entire episode over on that Bigfoot podcast 117 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:24.920 and the title of that was Brian is Nef because 118 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.759 I talked to Nef the majority of that podcast, and 119 00:06:27.800 --> 00:06:31.759 it's Dwayne breathing in basically while he's talking. Some people 120 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:36.040 believe that he is hoaxing Mike Patterson. I personally don't 121 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.199 believe that. I think at some point in time that 122 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:40.839 might have been the case. But I believe Mike has 123 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.959 an IQ above seventy five, so I don't think he's 124 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:47.079 being hoaxed here. I think he's complicit in this because 125 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.279 you can't tell me that these videos that this guy 126 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:53.759 puts out there, there's any shadow of him that actually 127 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:57.399 believes this stuff is true. Now he says that Nef 128 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:01.600 and some of these other sasquatch that are interdimensional that 129 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:05.720 can materialize it, will come into his home, set on 130 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:08.079 his sofa and take selfies with his camera. 131 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.279 Yeah, there was actually I don't know if you recall 132 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:14.319 the first time I heard about this man. It must 133 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.959 have been like almost twenty years ago. There was a 134 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.920 Canadian program that had come out. He'd leave a book 135 00:07:20.959 --> 00:07:23.720 out and there would be these drawings of flowers that 136 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:26.839 would happen, or like these stick figures. Otherwise he would 137 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:33.319 find these really intricate woven stick ornaments, which you can 138 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:36.680 believe it because that has happened. The gifting has happened. 139 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:40.800 So he's taken some credible experiences that others have had 140 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:43.720 and if he is manipulating, that's just so sad. But 141 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.000 then he'll also say they'll be talking, and there was 142 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:48.680 a point in the show where he was being interviewed 143 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:50.920 and like a marble would just come out of nowhere 144 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:53.360 and he said, oh, paraphrasing here, but oh, that's a 145 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.040 marble I left out in the woods and he just 146 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:57.319 threw it back to me and sure, no, this interviewer 147 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:59.360 and Mike are having a conversation. You just hear this 148 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.560 like tap and they're like, what was that? Yeah? I 149 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:04.639 get marbles thrown at me all the time, and I 150 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:08.519 guess it's that's how long this has stayed in my memory. 151 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:13.199 Bank rent Free unfortunately, and it's so sad to hear that, 152 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:18.759 like Folkstapp perhaps another fella out in Canada as well. 153 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:22.560 I won't necessarily mention, but who are saying that they've 154 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:26.839 got such credible footage or an audio for what you're 155 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:30.000 two minutes of fame. Meanwhile, this is actually maybe a 156 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:31.920 good segue into some of these books that I'm reading, 157 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:38.200 where it's you're taking away from such scientific opportunity to 158 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:43.480 understand these species. You're really just destroying everyone's credibility. And 159 00:08:43.480 --> 00:08:45.720 when you have people like Jeff Meldrum, who does have 160 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:49.440 the academic credibility to say that once and for all 161 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:52.200 that these things are real, that you can't fake these footprints, 162 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.120 and yet science and society just as you guys are 163 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:56.759 off your rocker. It's just unfortunate. 164 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.480 It really pisses me off because I see it in 165 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:02.360 real time. Wayne and I just got back a couple 166 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:05.240 of weeks ago from the Ozark Mountain Bigfoot Conference, and 167 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.159 I'm not going to call anybody by name, but there 168 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:12.759 were people there speaking that were making definitive statements to 169 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.200 all of these people in the audience about Bigfoot, and 170 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.879 there's frankly no way that they could substantiate anything that 171 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:22.120 they're saying. And Wayne and I just talked about this 172 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.320 again on that Bigfoot podcast in an upcoming episode. We 173 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:27.679 were talking about some of that stuff and breaking that down. 174 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:30.840 And here's the thing. I was the last speaker on 175 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.840 Saturday at the conference, and this lady spoke up. She 176 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:35.440 was her first conference, She was there. 177 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:35.879 With her daughter. 178 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:39.679 She was ecstatic to be there. She was so excited 179 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.799 to be around people who are into bigfoot and in 180 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:45.960 her words, not mine. She had sat through all of 181 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:49.919 these amazing speeches from these speakers that gave her all 182 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.320 of this amazing information that she was just soaking in 183 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:56.480 like a sponge. It was unfortunate that I had to 184 00:09:56.519 --> 00:09:59.879 stand there and shake my head and go, you know, internally, 185 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.480 I'm thinking, probably eighty five percent of everything you heard 186 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:10.360 today is completely nothing more than conjecture. It's circumstantial at best, 187 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:14.480 and it is all opinion that has been dressed as 188 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.679 fact and spoon fed to you and everybody in this 189 00:10:17.799 --> 00:10:21.120 room today, and it's just really unfortunate because that's what 190 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:24.559 ultimately happens with people like Todd Standing, or people like 191 00:10:25.159 --> 00:10:28.879 Mike Patterson or any of these other people that perpetuate 192 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:33.080 these false narratives that they have built their proverbial homes 193 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:36.440 and careers. Because here's to answer your question, why they 194 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:39.919 do what they do. If you have eighty thousand subscribers 195 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:43.120 on YouTube and you're getting fifteen to twenty to thirty 196 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:47.799 forty thousand views on a video, you're getting paid. And 197 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:51.799 Todd's full time job is his one hundred plus thousand 198 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:54.440 subscriber YouTube channel, and then the fact that he gets 199 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.759 paid three to four thousand dollars per person to take 200 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:00.399 people out on these expeditions up and rate in his 201 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:05.279 research area. That's his motivation. It's just really sad, unfortunately, 202 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:07.879 that people are picking up on some of the things 203 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:10.799 that people are putting out there as fact, when in 204 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:13.879 fact they're not facts. They're just conjecture and their opinions. 205 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:16.399 The other person that you mentioned the video that we 206 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.240 were talking about was Sunny Vader. Again, it's one of 207 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.240 those things where you and I were talking before we 208 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:25.000 hit record. It's so unfortunate, and I know there are 209 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:27.879 people out there who were doing this to the best 210 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.120 of their ability. There are people out there that are 211 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:34.879 trying to put together as much information as possible and 212 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:39.440 put it into one centralized data bank or repository, if 213 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:42.399 you will, for people that are coming into Bigfoot, because 214 00:11:42.440 --> 00:11:45.000 I know that we need this because there's so many 215 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:46.960 people that are interested that are coming into this for 216 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:50.519 the very first time, and they're getting so much misinformation. 217 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:54.320 If we had a repository that people could trust, that 218 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:57.159 people would funnel this stuff in, and even if it's 219 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:01.039 just putting up videos like Sonny Vader that have been 220 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:03.960 proven to be hostes, so that people like you who 221 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.519 stumble across them, or me or anybody else who's just 222 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:08.559 coming into this, whether you've been in at twenty years 223 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.200 or you've been in at twenty minutes, to say no, 224 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:13.919 this has been a proven hoax. I guarantee you it's 225 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:16.320 going to happen. We just had it recently with I 226 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.759 don't know if you saw the ridiculous video in my opinion, 227 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:22.679 of this guy in a suit laying under a tree, 228 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.360 and it's viral that it's this close up HD quality 229 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.720 video of a Sasquatch. It's clearly a dude in a suit. 230 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:33.200 And guess what. The company who made the video has 231 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:35.759 now come out and said, oh, that was our promotional 232 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.799 video for this that's happening on Saturday from this time 233 00:12:38.840 --> 00:12:39.360 to this time. 234 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:41.200 That's right, great job, guys. 235 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:45.039 I guarantee you it'll surface back, just like the Colorado 236 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:49.080 Train video from last year. It'll all make its rounds 237 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.759 and people will continue to go down the rabbit hole 238 00:12:52.879 --> 00:12:56.039 and get miss and disinformation from folks. So I think 239 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.519 it's important that we have these kind of conversations because 240 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:02.360 it's great to just share people's experiences and encounters and 241 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:04.679 it's ooh and it's ah and it's scary and it's wonderful. 242 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:07.440 But if you're really into this subject, which I think 243 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:09.559 a lot of my audience is for the right reasons, 244 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:11.559 they're trying to do their own research and make up 245 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:14.559 their own minds, I think these kind of conversations are 246 00:13:14.960 --> 00:13:16.799 very important, and that's why Wayne and I started that 247 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:20.840 Bigfoot podcast, is to have these kind of conversations with 248 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.720 each other and other people to hopefully do away with 249 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.919 some of that because we've been beating our heads into 250 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:29.840 the wall and I'm sure it probably frustrates you as well. 251 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:32.559 You can talk about this all you want. This huge 252 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:34.840 audience that we have, tens of thousands of people are 253 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:37.960 going to hear our voices and talking about this. Most 254 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:39.600 of the time it goes in one ear and out 255 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:42.360 the other, and they continue to click on these YouTube channels, 256 00:13:42.519 --> 00:13:46.120 and these folks get paid for sharing that diss and misinformation. 257 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:47.960 It just boggles my mind. 258 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:51.159 Well, and I guess I'm surprised now that we want 259 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:53.279 to talk about the credibility side of this and the 260 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.679 checks and balances side. When the Sierra Silence came out, 261 00:13:57.159 --> 00:14:00.679 I was really impressed by Scott Nelson, who actually did 262 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:04.840 the analysis of that recording, and he was the first 263 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.200 one to step out and say, I have ex military, 264 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:10.679 I have certain credentials. This is why I'm into this. 265 00:14:10.919 --> 00:14:14.639 If he was interested, Unless I've missed something, that's a 266 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:18.080 credible person stepping through and saying Sierras sounds are real. 267 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:20.639 You can't replicate that. That's not someone in a microphone, 268 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:23.879 especially from the nineteen seventies when that was recorded. The 269 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.120 other thing is I've always wanted to find this person 270 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:30.399 doing more podcast work. I know some bigfoot podcasts can 271 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:35.919 necessarily get this person on. But this thinker thunker on YouTube, 272 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:41.039 take him or leave him. He has this really scientific 273 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:46.159 way of just measuring anything that's ever captured. It's basically 274 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:49.919 taking your arm, your torso, and your leg and mapping 275 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:53.120 that to Patty is basically like anything. He'll just say, 276 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:57.159 that's human proportions. Cay solved, that's not human proportions. What 277 00:14:57.320 --> 00:14:57.519 is it? 278 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:57.759 Then? 279 00:14:58.399 --> 00:15:00.919 Nine and ten times you're looking at what There's been 280 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:03.159 a time or two where I'm like, I don't even 281 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:06.000 think that what you're proving there's some like chimp size 282 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.360 bigfoots in a forest area. I was black and white 283 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.279 nighttime video. What bought my eye directly was that you 284 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.080 could see bamboo. So I'm like, okay, this is clearly 285 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:19.120 not in the States unless there's bamboo. Maybe I don't 286 00:15:19.159 --> 00:15:23.399 in Florida, but to the point where it just as 287 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:26.799 he was measuring, I just don't agree that's another creature 288 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:31.200 other than hope humans or kids being dressed up as 289 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:34.440 type of monkey. Right. But getting back to more of 290 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:37.200 the proven hard science, like I had mentioned too as 291 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:39.639 old Brian, I'm going through a bunch of books lately 292 00:15:40.039 --> 00:15:42.639 because that's the only thing I can do gotten a 293 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:47.039 little bit more away from the youtubing staff and the videos, 294 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.799 because to your point, there's always something new, but then 295 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:52.480 you always have to wait for it to be disproven 296 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:55.039 and get your heart broken. But where you're not really 297 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:57.360 going to get your heart broken per se is actually 298 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:00.440 some of the books that you could possibly pick Updquatch 299 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.720 Legend met Science by Jeff Meldrum that's going to investigate 300 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:10.279 physical evidence, footprints, hair samples, examining cultural narratives surrounding the creature. 301 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:15.279 It is chocked full. It's like the Encyclopedia before that one. 302 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:19.240 Though before Sasquatch Legend meads Science came around, there was 303 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:24.000 also The Abominable Snowmen Legend Come to Life by Ivan 304 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:29.600 Sanderson that is a in depth exploration of the yeti 305 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:34.120 similar cryptids of the world. He's combining that field research 306 00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:38.639 folklore first hand accounts, presents a comprehensive look at the 307 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:44.519 evidence and theories surrounding sasquatch, bigfoot, Yeti, but just a 308 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:49.080 mass amount of data there. Then you can get into 309 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.279 other ones too. If you want to touch on either 310 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:52.200 of those books. 311 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:53.960 I can certainly go down that Roadie. I'll be honest 312 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:55.759 with you. I've talked a little bit about you mentioned 313 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.320 the Sierra sound I too, like you, was extremely impressed 314 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:01.399 with those the very first time that I heard them. 315 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:06.279 I have heard what sounds like samurai chatter when I 316 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:09.880 was on expedition up and Radium last year. I have 317 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:12.559 a place in my heart for those. But I tell you, 318 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:15.079 the more that I've gotten into them and looked into 319 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:19.799 the sounds, I don't doubt Scott Nelson's credibility at all. 320 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:23.200 I'm just not so convinced as I was that he 321 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:27.200 is completely right about the Sierra sounds. I'll just leave 322 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.920 it at that. I think Thinker Thunker does a great 323 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.880 job in Bigfoot with breaking down some of those things. 324 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:36.759 I have used some of Thinker Thunker's videos in the 325 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:39.039 past to talk about different things we've talked about on 326 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:41.680 the show. Here's the problem I have with Thinker Thuncker. 327 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.079 I think he has a very good way of thinker 328 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:51.799 thunkering his math and his science see stuff that he does. 329 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.920 But to me, it's very air quote science y. It 330 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:57.799 sounds great and it looks great, and ninety percent of 331 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:00.559 the time I agree with him that's right. I'm just 332 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:04.200 not so sure that it is as sciencey as some 333 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:07.440 people might think. Now, I know he uses the innermemberl 334 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:10.000 index or the link to the arm versus the limits 335 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:13.039 of the leg. Yeah, I totally get all of that, 336 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.640 but I'm very weary when it comes to the Thinker 337 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:19.079 Thunker rhythms because I know he did a breakdown one 338 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.480 of the most recent videos he did. I guess it's 339 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:23.640 been within the last month. Wayne and I talked about 340 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.240 it on that Bigfoot podcast. I believe it was Charlie 341 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:29.279 Raymond out in Kentucky had captured It was about six 342 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:32.160 years ago. He had captured something that was very similar 343 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:35.200 some whoops that were similar to the whoops in the 344 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.480 Sierra Sounds. So Thinker Thunker did this breakdown. He did 345 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:41.319 a whoop of him whooping. He took the Ron moorehead 346 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:43.599 whoops from the tapes and then he compared them to 347 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:47.079 the Sasquatch in the tapes on the Sierra Sounds, and 348 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.839 he compared them to what was captured in Kentucky. And 349 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:52.920 it's clear. You put it in a spectrogram and you 350 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:56.440 can see the difference in the sounds. The alleged Sasquatch 351 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.440 whoops are way different than anything I think a person 352 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:03.000 can do. So I'm not doubting that there may be 353 00:19:03.039 --> 00:19:06.079 sasquatch whoops on these tapes and the Kentucky tapes and 354 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:09.640 the Sierra tapes. But I'm very weary when it comes 355 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:11.400 to all things thinker Thucker. 356 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.240 So what would it take for you to hear something 357 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:20.920 audio wise and be like, that's it for me that 358 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.960 is just not human? Or would that be just because 359 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.680 of today's age and technology. You're just left to just 360 00:19:27.720 --> 00:19:28.799 always being skeptical. 361 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.440 I'm always going to be skeptical. I can tell you now. 362 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:37.279 I have had experiences that have completely convinced me, without 363 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:39.279 a shadow of a doubt, one hundred percent of the 364 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:44.200 Sasquatch are real. They exist. I'm no longer in that 365 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:47.559 limbo that I was. I'm not straddling that fence anymore. 366 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:50.640 But I'm still very skeptical when it comes to any 367 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:54.720 and everything that people present as evidence because of the 368 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.599 problems with hoaxery, the things that people can do with 369 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:02.640 AI and all the other technologies that exists. Stay tuned 370 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:04.839 for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be right back 371 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:06.039 after these messages. 372 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:09.960 Audio. 373 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:12.359 For me, I've heard some things that have convinced me 374 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:16.519 over the last year. Probably we recorded something that I'm 375 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:20.599 not sure is an owl in Wisconsin just a couple 376 00:20:20.640 --> 00:20:22.799 of weeks ago when we were out on a camp out. 377 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.079 It sounds like an owl. It just sounds like a 378 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:29.640 really big owl. And there was this really weird scream 379 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:52.480 at the beginning of the audio. So audio is one 380 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:54.799 of those things that it doesn't take a ton for me. 381 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:57.960 You got to consider the totality of the circumstances. Who's 382 00:20:58.000 --> 00:21:00.839 putting the audio forward. Did it come from Tide Standing, 383 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:02.920 did it come from Sunny Vader? Did it come from 384 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:05.839 Mike Patterson. If it's not a yes on any of 385 00:21:05.839 --> 00:21:08.799 those fronts, then I probably move forward and say, okay, 386 00:21:08.799 --> 00:21:09.759 now let's take a real. 387 00:21:09.640 --> 00:21:10.039 Look at this. 388 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:13.480 That's right, But yeah, you have to be skeptical. And 389 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:15.759 here's the problem when you're dealing with the novel species 390 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:17.839 is you don't have anything to compare it to. If 391 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:21.839 somebody comes and says, man, I recorded a baboon in 392 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:26.400 my backyard in North Carolina, that's weird. WHOA baboons don't 393 00:21:26.400 --> 00:21:28.799 exist in North Carolina. We can just go to the 394 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:31.279 archives and say, oh, this is bab boon. Sounds boom, 395 00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:33.599 It matches. But what do you do with the novel 396 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.000 species when it comes to any of those things, especially audio, 397 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:39.400 How do we know that it's a real bigfoot making 398 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:42.720 that noise. I believe that the Ohio Howell is a 399 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:48.000 genuine creature of some sort making some sort of vocalization. 400 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.119 I know that some people think it's fake and it's 401 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:53.640