Speaker 1: Welcome to Destiny. Now here's your host, Cliff Dunning.
Speaker 2: Hey, how you doing. Come on in and have a seat.
Speaker 2: This is Cliff, your host of Destiny, and I hope
Speaker 2: you're doing well today. We have a new book we're
Speaker 2: featuring this week called Manifestation Perfected Six Steps to Embody
Speaker 2: your Soul Purpose and the author is Baptiste Pope, who
Speaker 2: wrote a best selling book about ten years ago eight
Speaker 2: years ago called The Power of the Heart, which went
Speaker 2: viral on YouTube but also was a best selling book
Speaker 2: New York Times bestselling book that he made into a
Speaker 2: movie kind of in the same vein as The Secret,
Speaker 2: But the Power of the Heart series had at Kartoli,
Speaker 2: Gary Zukoff and had a number of prominent Oh, Deepak Chopra,
Speaker 2: had a number of prominent people. I think Wayne Dyer
Speaker 2: actually was in there. He hadn't passed away yet. This
Speaker 2: is like twenty ten and very very prominent book, and
Speaker 2: this new book on manifestation kind of comes out of that.
Speaker 2: And what he's focusing on is something that I have
Speaker 2: learned as I've gotten older, which is when you are
Speaker 2: in complete harmony, when you are lined up with your
Speaker 2: higher self otherwise known as your soul. You can accomplish
Speaker 2: it pretty much anything. And that's everything from more prosperity,
Speaker 2: your soulmate, slash, your a good relationship, just a much
Speaker 2: more happy and harmonious life. And that's what I think
Speaker 2: most of us are achieving. The problem, and he talks
Speaker 2: about this in this book today, is that when we
Speaker 2: are setting our goals, some of our goals are sorry
Speaker 2: to say it's they're childish. I want to win the lottery.
Speaker 1: I want the.
Speaker 2: Fanciest car, even though I can't afford the payments. I
Speaker 2: want to, you know, buy a house, so forth and
Speaker 2: so on. Sometimes you're not ready. And the other thing
Speaker 2: is when. And this is what we're going to learn
Speaker 2: about today. When you have your higher self and your soul,
Speaker 2: which is your soul I should say, harmonizing you and
Speaker 2: working with you, you're hearing this purpose, the soul language
Speaker 2: in your intentions, then your your goals are much different.
Speaker 2: They're more filling, and they're more satisfying, and they lead
Speaker 2: to a quality of life that is just wonderful. And
Speaker 2: it's funny because I hate to say it, but you know,
Speaker 2: I've had some successes as a younger person, but I
Speaker 2: was always miserable because you know, even though I worked
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Speaker 2: wasn't a corporate kind of a person. And I didn't
Speaker 2: realize that until after I got the job I really
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Speaker 1: Programmed for.
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Speaker 2: wasn't happy. And you know, here I have the great
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Speaker 2: But today's program is all about using your intention. And
Speaker 2: what I like about the theme is it's not just random,
Speaker 2: spontaneous intention. Well it can be, but when you're tied
Speaker 2: into your soul and you're working with your soul, and
Speaker 2: this is what the theme of the program is, sol intention,
Speaker 2: you are on fire, you're creating, and you're manifesting the
Speaker 2: highest level, and your soul has has your script that
Speaker 2: you worked out before you came into this body, and
Speaker 2: you worked it out and you are If you flow
Speaker 2: with your soul and you recognize that your soul is
Speaker 2: the way to go, and you're meditating and you're quieting
Speaker 2: your brain and you're staying mentally clear, then the messages
Speaker 2: that are coming through are gonna help, and you're gonna
Speaker 2: You're gonna have intentions of things that you want or
Speaker 2: intend to do, be and aspire to realities that are
Speaker 2: going to be very positive. And so that's the program.
Speaker 2: So today we are featuring a new artist and the
Speaker 2: program is Manifestation Perfected. Six Steps to Embody your Sole Purpose,
Speaker 2: and my guest is Baptiste D.
Speaker 1: Pope.
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Speaker 2: the past. We've had different authors on the program speaking
Speaker 2: to their dearly departed. Sometimes it was a son, sometimes
Speaker 2: a friend who responded back to questioning about what it's
Speaker 2: like to be on the other side, what it's like
Speaker 2: to be without a body. And today we're speaking a
Speaker 2: new author who has written a book on manifesting, but
Speaker 2: not just manifesting and wishing to get what you want
Speaker 2: using specific techniques and most importantly the technique of intention.
Speaker 2: My guest today is Baptiste the Pope. He is the
Speaker 2: author of Manifestation Perfected, Six Steps to Embody your Soul Purpose.
Speaker 2: And let me tell you a little bit about Baptiste.
Speaker 2: He is a lawyer, author and filmmaker. He wrote the
Speaker 2: book The Power of the Heart, which actually was also
Speaker 2: made into a documentary. And I've been kind of gazing
Speaker 2: at this book and he has taken the whole idea
Speaker 2: of manifestation to a new level. And what that means
Speaker 2: is that I think a lot of us suffer through
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to get what we want
Speaker 2: out of life. And I think he's distilled it, and
Speaker 2: he's distilled it by traveling the world. And this is
Speaker 2: actually featured on the book. He says that in the
Speaker 2: biography it says that Baptists travel the world speaking to,
Speaker 2: you know, a number of older souls and interviewing people
Speaker 2: who are the lead thinkers of our time. So we're
Speaker 2: going to learn all about manifestation today today with his interview.
Speaker 2: So Baptiste, welcome to Destiny. Great to have you on
Speaker 2: the program. Thanks h thank you so much for having me. Clive,
Speaker 2: it's good to see you all right. So, traveling in
Speaker 2: the world. So this idea did it come at the
Speaker 2: end of this movie and this other book, The Power
Speaker 2: of the Heart?
Speaker 1: Was it?
Speaker 2: Did you kind of leave that and think, you know,
Speaker 2: I have more to talk about on the manifestation side,
Speaker 2: and did you start cultivating the idea for the book
Speaker 2: in that manner?
Speaker 1: So it came to me as a film. So when
Speaker 1: I had the idea to do it, it was I
Speaker 1: am going to make a film about living and working
Speaker 1: from the heart there was, he had to create a book.
Speaker 1: But so I traveled the world and interviewed all these
Speaker 1: luminaries Publoculio, Ekartoli, Debacchopra, may Angelo and so on, and
Speaker 1: I realized that the film was only going to be
Speaker 1: you know, nineteen minutes. But with some people like Ekartoli,
Speaker 1: I spent three days with him, I had so much
Speaker 1: more material, and I thought, Okay, how can I share more?
Speaker 1: The only way to share more was to write the book.
Speaker 1: So the book in the film they were you know,
Speaker 1: released at the same time back in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: Right, So the new book, Manifestation perfected. Where is that
Speaker 2: information coming from? Is it coming from your I mean
Speaker 2: because the book features Oprah Winfrey, jk Rawlings, and Anita
Speaker 2: Moore Jana who I was not familiar with, but I
Speaker 2: have read since I've read about her, since I've looked
Speaker 2: at your book. These are three dynamic women. Absolutely, So
Speaker 2: They're not only very dynamic, but they were all three
Speaker 2: of them were really in a rock bottom situation and
Speaker 2: by aligning with her soul, they managed to turn it around.
Speaker 2: And Anita Morjohnny's story is I think the most compelling.
Speaker 2: She was in a hospital in Hong Kong and she
Speaker 2: was suffering from lymphoma. Lymphoma lymphoma is a cancer of
Speaker 2: the lymphatic system, and she had cancer at the size
Speaker 2: of lemons in her body and the doctor said, okay,
Speaker 2: you only have a few hours to live. Let's bring
Speaker 2: in your family. And she goes into a coma and
Speaker 2: she has the classic near death experience. And long story
Speaker 2: is short. She has three insights. One inside is that
Speaker 2: time doesn't exist. She enters a timeless dimension, so we
Speaker 2: all believe in, let's say, reincarnation, but she says, reincarnation
Speaker 2: actually doesn't exist. It's all happening at the same time,
Speaker 2: so it's all parallel lives. The second inside that she
Speaker 2: has is we are in essence, unconditional love.
Speaker 1: That's who we really are. And the third inside is
Speaker 1: that we are infinite intelligence. And she receives the message
Speaker 1: that she had the cancer because she had been a
Speaker 1: doormatter her whole life, so she had not been authentic
Speaker 1: to her true essence or true self, and that fear
Speaker 1: of not being herself that really crept into her cells
Speaker 1: and that's why she got the cancer. That's the message
Speaker 1: that she receives and now that she knows who she
Speaker 1: truly is, unconditional love, infinite intelligence, she has to go
Speaker 1: back to the world and share this message with the world.
Speaker 1: But you know, she doesn't want to go back, obviously
Speaker 1: because she was so ill, so she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: go back into that body. But because she is in
Speaker 1: a timeless dimension, she can go into time in our
Speaker 1: world and see that if she goes back into the body,
Speaker 1: the cancer will be gone within forty eight hours. And
Speaker 1: because she has that insight, she decides to go back. Wow,
Speaker 1: and her book came out. Now, so long story short
Speaker 1: is that Bwayne Dyer, the late Wayne Dyer, hears about
Speaker 1: this story and he lets his doctors in Maui, Wayne
Speaker 1: was living in Maui at the time, approach the doctors
Speaker 1: from the hospital in Hong Kong because he wants to
Speaker 1: see the medical records, like that, did this really happened?
Speaker 1: Because she was cured within forty eight hours from cancer
Speaker 1: when she came back into the body with the new
Speaker 1: awareness and and way. He said, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: the essence of manifest this story because she connects with
Speaker 1: a new dimension, a new awareness and new consciousness and
Speaker 1: within forty eight hours, all the cancer is gone, so
Speaker 1: the doctors in the hospital are confronted with a medical miracle.
Speaker 1: So he gets to see the medical files and indeed,
Speaker 1: this really happened. So he approaches her and he helps
Speaker 1: her to get a book deal with hay House and
Speaker 1: the title of the book is Dying to be Met.
Speaker 1: So that's a great title, Dying to him Me. And
Speaker 1: Wayne becomes her biggest promoter. So they start touring the
Speaker 1: US together, and they start touring the whole world together. Actually,
Speaker 1: so her book Dying to Be Me becomes a New
Speaker 1: York Times bestseller, and it becomes a global best seller
Speaker 1: all over the world. And her point is that she said,
Speaker 1: I had to do nothing for it. The first big
Speaker 1: manifestation is, of course, the healing, and the healing happened
Speaker 1: because I started to align with my essence, my originals,
Speaker 1: let's say, soul energy. And the second thing is she said,
Speaker 1: you know the moment I started healing, Whene Dyer approaches me,
Speaker 1: that's another manifestation. And then the next manifestation is I
Speaker 1: get the publishing deal with Hayous. And then the next
Speaker 1: manifestation is it becomes a New York Times bestseller. And
Speaker 1: her point is that all the manifestations come because she
Speaker 1: was authentically being herself. And she says the two biggest
Speaker 1: messages that she has for us is we have to
Speaker 1: treasure our own magnificence. And the second message is if
Speaker 1: you align with the energy of your soul, that everything
Speaker 1: that truly belongs to you comes to you effortlessly. And
Speaker 1: I think that's such a powerful way to look look
Speaker 1: at a manifestation. You know, we have to become authentically
Speaker 1: we are at the soul level. We have to align
Speaker 1: with the energy of our soul, and then everything that
Speaker 1: truly belongs to us comes to us effortlessly.
Speaker 2: Can you tell us in your what you're understanding is
Speaker 2: and what the soul is. We're all locked into this
Speaker 2: flesh body, you know, and worrying about feeling good and
Speaker 2: having hunger pains and having addictions and being ill and
Speaker 2: you know, not knowing what's going on. What is the
Speaker 2: soul and your understanding?
Speaker 1: Yeah? It? Cartholi talks about the pain body, you know,
Speaker 1: the personality, the ego to traumas, but that's not who
Speaker 1: we really are. We are in essence, formless and we
Speaker 1: are having temporarily, temporarily we are having a physical experience.
Speaker 1: So we are souls who are in a body for
Speaker 1: a while, but once we quote unquote die, our soul
Speaker 1: leaves the body. But we still exist, only in a
Speaker 1: different form. So in essence, we are formless. And it's
Speaker 1: hard to describe something that is formless. But if you
Speaker 1: study near death experiences, I mean there's so many. Look
Speaker 1: at the work of Raymond Moody, Elizabeth Koble Ross, look
Speaker 1: at the story of even Alexander, but also Anita Morghini.
Speaker 1: They describe that it's the dimension of love. Anita Mrghanni
Speaker 1: calls it unconditional love, infinite intelligence. There is no time,
Speaker 1: so time does not exist. So it's an experience maybe
Speaker 1: of a very high, very loving vibration, but it's our essence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and how can we I think, you know, we have
Speaker 1: to experience it. But every time we have the feeling
Speaker 1: of grade, of coming home energetically, of feeling love, of combassion,
Speaker 1: reverence for life, those feelings, I think we get close
Speaker 1: to the essence of the soul. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: The reason I'm asking that, Baptiste, is that your book,
Speaker 2: this book we're talking about today, Manifestation Perfected, highlights the
Speaker 2: fact that the greatest manifestations happen when we use soul intention.
Speaker 2: And that's a real key word for me because I'm
Speaker 2: always like, oh, yeah, I'm going to intend to have
Speaker 2: this done. I'm going to intend I really want that
Speaker 2: to happen. I want to close my eyes and intend
Speaker 2: to have it happen. Right, And what you have learned
Speaker 2: and what you talk about in your book is that
Speaker 2: there's different kinds of intention. There's the casual intentions, but
Speaker 2: the soul level intentions are the ones who are the
Speaker 2: greatest and the most beautiful manifestations, the ones that you
Speaker 2: really need. Yes, absolutely talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, Gary Zukafe, he wrote a book, The Seat
Speaker 1: of the Soul. I think it's one of the best
Speaker 1: books about the soul. Actually, he writes about the concept
Speaker 1: of authentic power. And authentic power is when the personality
Speaker 1: starts to serve the energy of the soul. And when
Speaker 1: we start to serve the energy of the soul, we
Speaker 1: start to experience a holistic dimension. We experience reverence for life,
Speaker 1: we experience compassion, We experience that there's a power, a
Speaker 1: purpose meaning behind everything we do. We feel that something
Speaker 1: bigger is showing us the way and carrying us, we
Speaker 1: start to experience synchronicities. And synchronicity is of course a
Speaker 1: word a coined by Colume, and synchronicities are those moments
Speaker 1: when you immediately know that this is not a coincidence,
Speaker 1: but there's power, there's purpose, there's meaning behind what you're doing,
Speaker 1: and you feel much lighter, You feel like you are
Speaker 1: much more than your body. And we all recognize those moments.
Speaker 1: But that means that we are actually serving the energy
Speaker 1: of our soul. And I think it's really important to
Speaker 1: understand the relationship between let's say, the personality and the soul.
Speaker 1: So I always use this metaphor when you are on
Speaker 1: a boat on the river, and when you are the personality,
Speaker 1: the personality can only see the next band on the river,
Speaker 1: but when you are the soul, you can see everything
Speaker 1: from the bird's eye view, and the soul can see
Speaker 1: the whole journey from source to sea, so it sees
Speaker 1: everything from a much higher perspective. But our problem is
Speaker 1: we don't trust the soul. And yeah, we can only
Speaker 1: learn to trust it by experiment back, by experimenting with
Speaker 1: this energy of the soul. And you know, when we
Speaker 1: have to make decisions. We can look at all the
Speaker 1: pros and all the cons and take into consideration all
Speaker 1: the rational stuff, but it's also important to take into
Speaker 1: consideration how does this feel? What is the energy telling me?
Speaker 1: And that's more the language of the soul.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you the book has uh and we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: about this in a minute. Six steps yes to work
Speaker 2: on connecting.
Speaker 1: With the soul level.
Speaker 2: Also developing uh, the method of intending yes for what
Speaker 2: you want and uh. This is something that I'm still
Speaker 2: trying to get my head head around on this book,
Speaker 2: which is understanding the inner dimensions of the soul and
Speaker 2: its wishes for you as this being, and how to
Speaker 2: manifest with the soul intent rather than the casual intent,
Speaker 2: you know, like hey, I want a million bucks, I
Speaker 2: want to intend for that. Well, and you write about
Speaker 2: this the soul is kind of going. I think it's
Speaker 2: more in alignment for you to have prosperity, but you
Speaker 2: work for it, you know, not like you're looking to
Speaker 2: get the winning you know whatever they call those things
Speaker 2: the ten million dollar lottery card, which is so mundane
Speaker 2: and so it's not really a spiritual goal, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, what you're presenting is a way to
Speaker 2: tune into the soul and have it come through you
Speaker 2: in a meditative process, and then you develop an intention
Speaker 2: that has more purpose.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So if you want ten million bucks, you can
Speaker 1: ask yourself, why do I want ten million bucks? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I think you know. In two thousand and six
Speaker 1: there was a film it became very popular, in The Secret,
Speaker 1: right from Romina Byrne. And interesting fact is that the
Speaker 1: director of the Secret was an Australian director, Drew Harriot.
Speaker 1: And I also I as a producer for the Power
Speaker 1: of the Heart, hired him for the Power of the Heart.
Speaker 1: So the Power of the Heart and The Secret have
Speaker 1: the same director. So I had all these conversations with
Speaker 1: him about manifesting an intention, and in The Secret it's
Speaker 1: all about the law of attraction. But they don't ask
Speaker 1: the question where is the intention to manifest something coming from?
Speaker 1: Is it coming from your higher self or your personality?
Speaker 1: And I think that is a very important question, where
Speaker 1: is the intention coming from? Because the intentions that are
Speaker 1: coming from your personality or let's say your ego are
Speaker 1: not coming are not necessarily coming from your higher self.
Speaker 1: And I mean another important question that I could ask you,
Speaker 1: Cliff you have manifested so much in your life, and
Speaker 1: you had many intentions, but sometimes, you know, some intentions
Speaker 1: didn't work out for you and others became successful. Right,
Speaker 1: So the question is why did certain things work out
Speaker 1: for you? And why did certain things not work out
Speaker 1: for you? Did you ever think about that? Did you
Speaker 1: ever thought about that?
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Speaker 2: guest today Baptist Pup and this new book Manifestation Perfected.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Our program today features soul level manifestation,
Speaker 2: intending using the soul's purpose of your incarnation in this lifetime.
Speaker 2: My guess is Baptist d. Polpe in the book called
Speaker 2: Manifestation Perfected. Oh yeah, I mean, I have been in
Speaker 2: metaphysics for most of my adult life. And you know,
Speaker 2: there are different authors and different speakers so called gurus.
Speaker 2: They're not defined as gurus, but people recognize them as
Speaker 2: gurus who had various techniques for manifesting what you wanted.
Speaker 2: And I'd say half of them didn't work because there
Speaker 2: are other underlining motivations and desires that got involved, you know,
Speaker 2: like having all the money, having the perfect relationship, having
Speaker 2: the new car. I mean, they're all monetary, you know,
Speaker 2: because I'm in the West, and we're all about getting money,
Speaker 2: and you know, we're not so much about Hey, I
Speaker 2: want to feel great and I want to have an
Speaker 2: elegant day, and I want to, you know, recognize this
Speaker 2: as a beautiful place. You know, that kind of intention
Speaker 2: and manifestation is not good enough for most of the
Speaker 2: Western culture because we're so locked into having possessions.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think we are hypnotized by the material world
Speaker 1: in a way. But Cartola says it very well. He says,
Speaker 1: the material world is inherently fleeting. Right, So it's it's
Speaker 1: it's my it's an illusion. It's temporary, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's just a temporary experience, right, It's not who we are.
Speaker 1: I think it's very important to ask the question, Okay,
Speaker 1: where's the intention coming from? And I know just I
Speaker 1: mean from my own experience. I wanted to become a lawyer,
Speaker 1: and I wanted wanted to become a partner with a
Speaker 1: big international law firm, and I worked there. But when
Speaker 1: I was when I was there, I was like, something
Speaker 1: is off. I had the brains to do it, but
Speaker 1: energetically I felt disconnected from from from from myliveness in
Speaker 1: a way, and and I was like, what is this?
Speaker 1: I worked for this to get here, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to be here. And I started to explore, Okay,
Speaker 1: how can I find my purpose in life? Right? Because
Speaker 1: that that's what it's it's it's it's about finding your
Speaker 1: purpose in life? Why are you here? As long as
Speaker 1: you have life, you have intentions? And I started to
Speaker 1: google how can you find your purpose in life? And
Speaker 1: I stumbled upon a video where Oprah Winfrey was in
Speaker 1: conversation with Eckart Tolly. And the video started with Oprah saying,
Speaker 1: I think there's nothing more important than finding your purpose
Speaker 1: in life. Why are you here? Right? That question? And
Speaker 1: Eckart said yes, but he said you cannot get there
Speaker 1: through thinking. And he said, if you want to find
Speaker 1: the answer to this question, you can ask what do
Speaker 1: I want? What do I want? So that that would
Speaker 1: come from the personality, what does the personality want? But
Speaker 1: the more powerful question would be what does life want
Speaker 1: from me? So life is a source or the soul,
Speaker 1: But ask the question what does life want from me?
Speaker 1: And then you get close to what your soul wants.
Speaker 1: And so again, my personality wanted to become a partner
Speaker 1: with the big law firm and be a hotshot lawyer
Speaker 1: make a lot of money. But my soul wanted something
Speaker 1: totally different. And but I started to notice when I
Speaker 1: started listening to my soul, and when I started to
Speaker 1: meditate on the question what does life want from me?
Speaker 1: I started to feel aliveness. I started to come alive,
Speaker 1: and I think I was like, wow, this is really
Speaker 1: to me. Alignment with the soul is to me, the
Speaker 1: highest form of abundance, because it is your liveness, it
Speaker 1: is your essence, it's to who you really are. So
Speaker 1: you can have all the money in the world. But
Speaker 1: if you're disconnected from your liveness, from your source, from
Speaker 1: your soul, you are not experiencing abundance or wealth. Right,
Speaker 1: So I thought, okay, And so when I started meditating
Speaker 1: on the question, it took me a while, but the
Speaker 1: answer that came, and when it came, it came like
Speaker 1: a bang. It felt like coming home, It felt like race.
Speaker 1: The answer was you have to make a film about
Speaker 1: the heart. So when the answer came, it was like
Speaker 1: very clear, It felt like falling in love. It was
Speaker 1: so graceful, and it's felt like coming home. And I
Speaker 1: had this Hallelujah feeling, Okay, this is it. But of course,
Speaker 1: after a while, my mind started to begin in a mindset, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're a lawyer, so you don't know anything about the heart.
Speaker 1: You don't know anything about film production. I had no
Speaker 1: background in film production. But I also remembered what Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King had said. He said, you don't have to
Speaker 1: see the whole staircase, just take the first step. And
Speaker 1: I think you know, listening to the soul. Following the
Speaker 1: soul is about following your liveness, what makes you come alive.
Speaker 1: And when you start to follow that, the sinker iniciencies happen.
Speaker 1: Something greater is supporting you, something greater is showing you
Speaker 1: the way. You will start to feel that there's power,
Speaker 1: there's purpose, there's meaning beyond everything you do. And that's
Speaker 1: when you feel the fullness of life. And I think
Speaker 1: the highest form of abundance is the fullness of life.
Speaker 1: And you can only experience the fullness of life when
Speaker 1: your personality starts to serve the energy of the soul,
Speaker 1: and you can find the energy the intensities of the soul.
Speaker 1: I think only through opening your heart, because when we
Speaker 1: are born, we don't get the manual. When you were born,
Speaker 1: you didn't get the manual. This is what your soul
Speaker 1: wants to do, and rational linear logical education cannot help
Speaker 1: you with that. Okay, So when we when we go
Speaker 1: through the education system, we get zero answers about how
Speaker 1: what our soul wants. We can only connect with what
Speaker 1: our soul wants with our elements in a way, when
Speaker 1: we open our hearts and we start to listen to
Speaker 1: what makes us come alive. I mean, for a bird,
Speaker 1: it's very clear. The element of a bird is to fly,
Speaker 1: the element of a fish is to swim. But what
Speaker 1: is our elements? And everyone has has their own specific
Speaker 1: soul imprint, own own specific blueprint, and we can only
Speaker 1: get there when we get out of our minds, when
Speaker 1: we open our heart and we start to feel the
Speaker 1: liveness that we are, when we start to experience that. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: In the introduction to your book, you write, when your
Speaker 2: intent is in accord with the universe, things start happening.
Speaker 2: That's when manifest manifest manifesting happens at the highest level.
Speaker 2: And I want to ask you about that because you
Speaker 2: talk about being in rhythm. Here in the book, it's accord.
Speaker 1: Education.
Speaker 2: Our colleges don't teach us about being in harmony, Our
Speaker 2: religions don't really talk about it at all. Are most
Speaker 2: people just kind of guessing their way through? Or the
Speaker 2: very few lucky ones that you highlighted in the book,
Speaker 2: these three women, did they have help or did they
Speaker 2: just have a soul that was so overpowering It just
Speaker 2: kind of took them on a ride and that was
Speaker 2: it for them. They had to follow along. It's always
Speaker 2: a crisis, you see, I need more, Johnny. You know,
Speaker 2: she was dying, and I mean that's the I mean,
Speaker 2: you can get beyond dying, right, I mean if you die,
Speaker 2: And that's that's like the ultim ultimate bottom situation in
Speaker 2: a way.
Speaker 1: And the title of a book is dying to be me.
Speaker 1: And so she was freed from her body and she
Speaker 1: connected with her essence, the soul. And when she was
Speaker 1: completely aligned with her soul, all the insights came about
Speaker 1: what had happened and who she was, and she realized
Speaker 1: that she was never authentically herself. She realized that it's
Speaker 1: our job to treasure our own magnificence and what is
Speaker 1: our magnificence. That's the energy of the soul, and it's
Speaker 1: our job to tap into the energy of the soul
Speaker 1: and then everything that really belongs to us comes to
Speaker 1: us effortlessly. And that's also my experience. I mean, think
Speaker 1: about it. You know, from my personality, the highest thing
Speaker 1: that I could achieve with my life was become a
Speaker 1: lawyer with the big international law firm where I was working.
Speaker 1: That I mean that that would have been my life.
Speaker 1: But what happened is I started to listen to my
Speaker 1: soul through a crisis situation because I felt cut off
Speaker 1: from my life. Is I think the biggest melody of
Speaker 1: her time is a lot of soul, and I started
Speaker 1: to follow the energy. And what happened I did the
Speaker 1: power of the heart, and I didn't know what was
Speaker 1: going to happen. And nobody believed that this was going
Speaker 1: to be a success. My family certainly didn't believe that.
Speaker 1: And the book came out in eighty countries. Simon and Schuster,
Speaker 1: the biggest publisher in the United States, bought the world
Speaker 1: rights and the book was published in eighty countries in
Speaker 1: forty five languages. It became an international bestseller. I could
Speaker 1: not have imagined that right. I had no interest in
Speaker 1: writing books or producing films zero and I had no
Speaker 1: background in it. But I just had the courage to
Speaker 1: listen to that energy of the soul. And it was
Speaker 1: because I had nothing to lose. I said, I followed
Speaker 1: my mind, I followed my personality my whole life. I
Speaker 1: went to law school, I did everything by the book
Speaker 1: and it didn't make me happy. And I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: give this a shot, right, and then the miracles started
Speaker 1: to happen. I had the privilege of interviewing the late
Speaker 1: doctor Maya Angelo in her home in Winston Salem, California.
Speaker 1: I mean, she is an icon, and she was an icon.
Speaker 1: She passed in twenty thirteen. All those people, Eckartoli, Paulo Qualia,
Speaker 1: the author of The Alchemist, they all opened their doors
Speaker 1: for me, and I was nobody. So I really think
Speaker 1: that we don't have a choice. But what I've learned
Speaker 1: from interviewing all these people is they don't change unless
Speaker 1: they're a crisis. When there's a crisis, they are forced
Speaker 1: into another awareness because the linear, rational logical thinking cannot
Speaker 1: help them anymore. Good example is Ekarta. He was doing
Speaker 1: his PhD at Cambridge, and he was suicidal and he said,
Speaker 1: I cannot live with myself anymore. At that moment, he
Speaker 1: realized that there were two and I and myself. And
Speaker 1: if you have that realization that there are too, then
Speaker 1: you start to connect with the question of course, who
Speaker 1: am I really? Am I the personality, the body, the ego,
Speaker 1: or am I the higher self, the soul? And when
Speaker 1: you start to align with that energy, and you really
Speaker 1: do the work of align with that energy, life starts
Speaker 1: to flow for you. I'm not saying that there are
Speaker 1: no more challenges, but I am saying that those challenges
Speaker 1: will bring you closer to your soul. It's like diamonds
Speaker 1: become diamonds under pressure. So sometimes the things that we
Speaker 1: don't want to experience are actually tools that help us.
Speaker 1: So And what I also want to say is the
Speaker 1: soul is very ambitious. I mean, that's my experience. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying we all have to become an Oprah Winfrey
Speaker 1: or a JK. Rowling or Anita Mr Johnny, But I
Speaker 1: am saying if you start to honor the whisper of
Speaker 1: your soul, you start to feel the fullness of life,
Speaker 1: You start to feel the deeper eye and you will
Speaker 1: start to feel such an abundance and such a satisfaction already,
Speaker 1: and then you just start to follow the live is
Speaker 1: that you start to trust your life. I think one
Speaker 1: of the most important things that we have to develop
Speaker 1: is courage. Encourage is derived from the word kur in French,
Speaker 1: care means hard, and the courage is also derived from
Speaker 1: the Latin word core and core also means hard. So
Speaker 1: in order to follow our heart, we need to develop
Speaker 1: hard in a way, right, and that's courage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fascinating. I want you to describe a little
Speaker 2: bit more about the intention. What's the difference between a
Speaker 2: self serving intention and a pure soul level intention. You
Speaker 2: just kind of explained it, but I want you to
Speaker 2: come tighten a little tighter for people who are still
Speaker 2: kind of getting their head around the fact that I
Speaker 2: do wish for things vaguely, but when I really want something,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm being guided by my higher self or my
Speaker 2: soul to manifest a really important intention in my life.
Speaker 2: I think we have to be open for the fact
Speaker 2: that things. I was a lawyer in the city of
Speaker 2: Amsterdam with a big international law firm. I had zero
Speaker 2: background in spirituality.
Speaker 1: The hard or film production. But I just start to
Speaker 1: meditate on the question what does life want from me?
Speaker 1: And when you start to do that, another dimension opens up. Nothing.
Speaker 1: When I got the idea the download you have to
Speaker 1: make a film about the heart, it didn't make any
Speaker 1: sense from who I was at the time. I was
Speaker 1: the least I was not. I was not the right
Speaker 1: person to do this, you know, from my mind. But
Speaker 1: the energetic pool was so strong that I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm willing to this is so good, this
Speaker 1: feels so good. I'm willing to die for this. And
Speaker 1: maybe this sounds a little bit, you know, maybe you know,
Speaker 1: people think, oh, he wants to die for this, but
Speaker 1: that's how I felt. I was like, this makes me
Speaker 1: so happy, I want to do this. I also noticed
Speaker 1: this with Paulo Coelias. I think you maybe have heard
Speaker 1: about the book The Alchemist or read the book. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So The Alchemist is about the boy Santiago, who was
Speaker 1: a shepherd boy and he goes into the world and
Speaker 1: he wants to make his fortune, but he discovers something
Speaker 1: much deeper than that, uh a fortune. He discovers the
Speaker 1: soul and the heart, and and and and and and
Speaker 1: so on. But The book is a great book. I
Speaker 1: think it's over one hundred million copies. But Paulo Cowell,
Speaker 1: when he was a kid, he already knew that he
Speaker 1: wanted to write. And his father, was a successful businessman,
Speaker 1: said no, Paolo, you're not going to become an author
Speaker 1: in Brazil. He's from Brazil. You cannot make a living
Speaker 1: as an author. It's impossible. And they litered everything to
Speaker 1: make him stop writing. And and then he wrote a
Speaker 1: book about it. There there are there are films made
Speaker 1: about his story. And he had to find his family
Speaker 1: in order to become an author. And but he knew
Speaker 1: that this was his element, and I think it's true.
Speaker 1: It be important that you start to feel what brings
Speaker 1: me into a state or flow. When do I feel,
Speaker 1: you know, the grace of life? When do I feel
Speaker 1: the fullness of life? Because that's very close to why
Speaker 1: you're here. That's what your element is. And a lot
Speaker 1: of people need validation, they need like proof, what what's
Speaker 1: going to happen if I follow this a life? Is
Speaker 1: what's going to happen when I feel this fullness of life?
Speaker 1: When I follow that? A lot of people become like, oh,
Speaker 1: how can I trust this? But you know, I think
Speaker 1: if you are in a crisis and you see this
Speaker 1: with Oprah and JK. Rowling, and especially with Ante Mojani,
Speaker 1: you have no more choice than to trust it. And
Speaker 1: for me, it was just I don't want that life anymore,
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna give this a shot. And I
Speaker 1: think the best thing you can do is start experimenting,
Speaker 1: and if it's really the soul, then you will be guided,
Speaker 1: you will be supported, the right people will come, you
Speaker 1: will have the synchronicities, you will feel supported, you will
Speaker 1: feel that there's a power and purpose and meaning behind
Speaker 1: what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was thinking, you're talking about making
Speaker 2: a movie. The finances, the money that is needed, is
Speaker 2: that would be intimidating by itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this movie, this documentary has cost two million US dollar.
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't have that kind of money at
Speaker 1: the time. No, Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 2: with my guest today, Baptiste the Pope, discussing a new
Speaker 2: book he's just released called Manifestation Perfected. We will return shortly.
Speaker 2: My guest today is Baptiste de Poulp. He is the
Speaker 2: author of Manifestation Perfected, Six Steps to Embody your Soul
Speaker 2: Purpose and this is a new book on using intention
Speaker 2: on a soul level to manifest what you want in
Speaker 2: your life. Let's talk about the chapters. You break it
Speaker 2: into six sections, and I'm going to briefly go through
Speaker 2: so each one and you can maybe give us a
Speaker 2: highlight of why you have created these sections. The first
Speaker 2: one is recognized that you are a soul and not
Speaker 2: just a body. Now we've already talked about that obviously,
Speaker 2: and absolutely you provide information and insights on how to
Speaker 2: recognize your soul. And it's still as I'm speaking to
Speaker 2: you right now, understanding the soul and not the body
Speaker 2: is I think the biggest problem that most people have
Speaker 2: when you say.
Speaker 1: I think that the body is a reflection of our
Speaker 1: alignment with the soul. And I think the best proof
Speaker 1: of the fact that we are souls is in studying
Speaker 1: and near death experiences. If you're describing that we are
Speaker 1: in essence, formless and life doesn't stop after we leave
Speaker 1: the body, and they all describe the experience of unconditional love,
Speaker 1: the higher intelligence. Some talk about infinite intelligence. But that's
Speaker 1: who we really are, and we cannot grasp that intellectually.
Speaker 1: Of course, we have to experience it. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is everything that I'm talking about is not something you
Speaker 1: can grasp conceptually. You have to have the experience of
Speaker 1: felt presence of the soul. I think there's no other way, yes,
Speaker 1: because otherwise this doesn't make any sense. You you you
Speaker 1: have to look for ways to experience it. And on
Speaker 1: the other hand, we all know the experience of flow
Speaker 1: when when you look at the tennis match. I love
Speaker 1: to watch tennis when two people are completely in sync
Speaker 1: and and and that's why we love to watch it,
Speaker 1: because something is happening on the court when we watch it.
Speaker 1: That's why we love to watch sports. There's something because
Speaker 1: there's so much focus and intensity right there. And sometimes
Speaker 1: when players are in flow, it's magical to watch them.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody love to watch Michael Jordan back when
Speaker 1: he was playing for the Bulls in the nineties because
Speaker 1: he was in such a flow, in such a state
Speaker 1: of focus. And I think I think that's very I
Speaker 1: mean obviously playing basketball was his element, right, Yeah, So
Speaker 1: there's something that we recognize on a deeper level. That
Speaker 1: that's who we truly are. Yeah. So I think we
Speaker 1: have to look for those moments when we are experiencing flow,
Speaker 1: when we feel that we are more than our body.
Speaker 1: And some people have it when they play the piano.
Speaker 1: Other people have it when they dance. Other people have
Speaker 1: it when they are writing. Other people have it when
Speaker 1: they're walking in nature with their dogs. You have to
Speaker 1: look for, Okay, when do I feel the connection with
Speaker 1: my liveness? Exactly? Yeah? I know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The next section is align yourself with your soul, not
Speaker 2: with the outside world demands. And I think that's what
Speaker 2: we a lot of us get caught in our nine
Speaker 2: to five existence and we lose track of our soul.
Speaker 1: What you say, Yeah, I mean we get caught up
Speaker 1: in the red rage. And again, when you have a
Speaker 1: happy life and when you go to work, and when
Speaker 1: you when you watch TV television every night and you
Speaker 1: you follow the mainstream narrative and everything and you're just
Speaker 1: quote unquote happy, there's no reason to talk about the soul.
Speaker 1: All the people that are the I've interviews for the
Speaker 1: Powerful Heart, but also the situations of Jack your Rowling,
Speaker 1: Oprah Winfrey, and and I need to mark Johnny. They
Speaker 1: wear a situation where they really felt like, Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to approach this in a different way. I mean,
Speaker 1: Oprah was living in Mississippi, uh, you know, and and
Speaker 1: she was as poor as you can be without having
Speaker 1: a roof over your head. In her own words, she
Speaker 1: was big fed and ugly and her parents only came
Speaker 1: together one time, and that's when you know. She was made.
Speaker 1: And her mother was a maid, her grandmother was a maid,
Speaker 1: and her grandmother raised her. And she said, Oprah Gail
Speaker 1: because her specond name was Gaile Oprah Gail, I hope
Speaker 1: you find yourself some nice white folks to work for.
Speaker 1: So her expectation was to become a maid as well,
Speaker 1: for white folks. And she didn't have a lot to
Speaker 1: live for. But she was also a member of the
Speaker 1: Baptist Church in Mississippi, and she was very irreligious. She
Speaker 1: believed in God, and she started praying to God and said, God,
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot to live for, Please you me,
Speaker 1: use me, use me. And because because of that prayer,
Speaker 1: she started to align with something larger. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no other explanation. How how are you going to explain
Speaker 1: that a girl who was born in those circumstances become
Speaker 1: one one of becomes one of the most influential figures
Speaker 1: of our time. Yeah, it's because she connected with the
Speaker 1: higher source, higher intelligence. Yeah, and she gave up her
Speaker 1: life to that higher intelligence. But nobody's talking about it.
Speaker 2: Did she talk about techniques that she developed on her own?
Speaker 2: Or did I know? She was really a big support
Speaker 2: of e Cartoli when he came out. I mean, he
Speaker 2: was on her show a lot, So I would think
Speaker 2: that she was constantly looking for people that developed techniques
Speaker 2: that helped her keys in alignment with her soul.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean Oprah was very much influenced by the
Speaker 1: work of Carrie Zukav and the soul I mean Gary
Speaker 1: where the shows with her and on television with Eckert.
Speaker 1: She recently did the show with Eckert again, and Eckard's
Speaker 1: question what does life want from me? Is of course
Speaker 1: the same question that she asked when she was a
Speaker 1: young girl back in Mississippi. She asked the question, you know, God,
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot to live for use me.
Speaker 1: So she immediately recognized that both Eckert and Gary are
Speaker 1: talking about aligning with a higher power. But I mean
Speaker 1: Gary and Eckart are both intellectuals, and they gave her
Speaker 1: the words to explain to herself what had happened to her, right,
Speaker 1: they gave her the vocabulary. And so because I think
Speaker 1: she never understood her own success until she started to
Speaker 1: read The Seat of the Soul, I mean, yeah, yeah, excellent.
Speaker 1: I'm going to quickly go over the next one.
Speaker 2: Stay aligned, no matter what anyone says. So that's that's
Speaker 2: a that's pretty self explanation for it. So, but identify
Speaker 2: the intentions of your soul. This is one that you
Speaker 2: bring up. You have a whole chapter on this, and
Speaker 2: this is for me. Ah, the challenge that I would
Speaker 2: think a lot of people have is which intentions are
Speaker 2: of the highest order and which intentions are frivolous and
Speaker 2: you know, not as critically important as or or support
Speaker 2: evolution as we're growing, you know what I mean? So,
Speaker 2: how do we how do we identify intentions that are
Speaker 2: coming from the highest good? And you kind of said it,
Speaker 2: you said it, where we feel in alignment, when we
Speaker 2: feel blessed and energized by the information that's coming through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the soul is always focused on unity, consciousness,
Speaker 1: reverence for life, cooperation, compassion, grace, gratitude, love. But most
Speaker 1: of all, I think it's the energy of really coming home.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about you know, oh I feel so
Speaker 1: happy today. Now, I'm talking about a deeper grace and
Speaker 1: joy where you really say, okay, wow, this is the
Speaker 1: fullness of life. That's the soul. That's the experience of
Speaker 1: the soul, when you really feel the fullness of life.
Speaker 1: And we all have had these experiences, maybe just a
Speaker 1: few times in our lives, but we recognize it when
Speaker 1: they come, right. And this energy is not just a
Speaker 1: random energy. It's not neutral in a way. It is
Speaker 1: an energy trying to communicate with you and trying to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 2: I hear you.
Speaker 1: How you how do you let that end? Though?
Speaker 2: If you're sold, you know, if you're working so hard
Speaker 2: that you're tired all the time, you're burnt out, or
Speaker 2: you're drinking too much alcohol, or you are taking drugs
Speaker 2: and blocking that information from getting through, is it just?
Speaker 2: And I guess your examples are the three women. You know,
Speaker 2: each of them had their own trials and tribulations. At
Speaker 2: some point it actually gets through, right, Yeah, So I
Speaker 2: mean we talked to. I mean, Oprah started very young
Speaker 2: because she was born in the worst situation compared to
Speaker 2: the other two. Right, Yeah, So Jackie Rowling is also interesting.
Speaker 2: So she was She's British and she's very intelligent, and
Speaker 2: she just like just like, excuse me, Paulo Qualio. She
Speaker 2: knew as a child that she wanted to become an author,
Speaker 2: but of course her parents told her to it, like,
Speaker 2: you can't make a living writing books, right, So she
Speaker 2: goes to university blah blah blah. She marries a Portuguese journalist.
Speaker 2: She moves to Portugal, and this marriage doesn't work out
Speaker 2: and she goes She wants to go back to London,
Speaker 2: but she can't afford to live there. In London, it's
Speaker 2: a very expensive city, so she decides to go to Edinburgh, Scotland.
Speaker 2: It's a much cheaper city, and her sister happens to
Speaker 2: live there, so she thought, okay, let's go there. But
Speaker 2: she also has a child, so there's this divorce. She's
Speaker 2: a mom with a child. She's single, she can't find
Speaker 2: a job, and she comes really depressed and she feels
Speaker 2: like her life is a total failure. And she did
Speaker 2: a hard commencement speech about this, and she talked about
Speaker 2: the power of hitting rock Bottom because she said, hitting
Speaker 2: rock Bottom was very meaningful and powerful to me because
Speaker 2: it stripped away the inessential. Everything that was not real
Speaker 2: was stripped away from me. My husband was gone, I
Speaker 2: couldn't find a job. I was depressed. And when she
Speaker 2: was experienced all of this, she said, you know, my
Speaker 2: life is such a failure. I might as well do
Speaker 2: what I always wanted to do, write books. And then
Speaker 2: in that time, she was sitting on a train, I
Speaker 2: think from Manchester to London, and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: she had download and it came to her bomb and
Speaker 2: it was very powerful. It was like wizard boy that
Speaker 2: doesn't know is a wizard goes to wizarding school and
Speaker 2: she felt so much alife is so much grace.
Speaker 1: He said, oh, this is it. He saw everything. She saw,
Speaker 1: all the houses, he's all the all the you know,
Speaker 1: everything in the Harry Potter or universe. He saw it immediately,
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what I'm talking about. It just comes
Speaker 1: to you and it's so powerful and she couldn't resist
Speaker 1: writing about it. And at the same time it was
Speaker 1: also her healing out of this dark world. But I mean,
Speaker 1: she was in a very dark place at the time,
Speaker 1: and and then but she had to go to this
Speaker 1: rock bottom situation in order to to to just say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trust this energy and I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: to write because i have nothing else to do and
Speaker 1: I'm depressed. Right, So you can compare her situation with Oprah,
Speaker 1: where Oprah really said, you know, use me, I don't
Speaker 1: have a lot to live for anymore. So there seems
Speaker 1: to be that you you first have to hit this
Speaker 1: really rock bottom situation before you really, you know, surrender
Speaker 1: yourself to your soul in a way.
Speaker 2: Can you give us any any examples of people that
Speaker 2: didn't have to suffer in the same manner that the
Speaker 2: three women examples are in the book? Somebody who perhaps
Speaker 2: is a is a busy this person or has been
Speaker 2: practicing meditation and and they had an AHA moment and
Speaker 2: changed their career and became much more harmonious with their
Speaker 2: soul's purpose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to be honest, all the people that I've met
Speaker 1: an interview, they all had this crisis situation first. So
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you really need it, but you know,
Speaker 1: we we don't have a society and an education system
Speaker 1: that encourages us to connect with our soul. So if
Speaker 1: you just fit in and just you know, live your
Speaker 1: quote tonquote normal life, there's no reason to connect with
Speaker 1: that deeper dimension. I think from what I've seen people, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, don't want to really go there. Life forces
Speaker 1: us to go there because we have no choice. So
Speaker 1: that's how I see it. And for me it was
Speaker 1: the same. I was just, you know, with this big
Speaker 1: international law firm. But I was like, I was not depressed,
Speaker 1: but I was like, Anna, I don't want to do
Speaker 1: this for the rest of my life, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: rather but I didn't know what to do. So I
Speaker 1: started to ask question, Kay, what you know, how can
Speaker 1: you find your purpose in life? And I think purpose
Speaker 1: is so important. If we don't have a bigger purpose,
Speaker 1: we don't feel the connection with our lives and with
Speaker 1: the fullness of life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good example. Did you quit your law
Speaker 2: firm Cold Turkey or did you slowly move into more
Speaker 2: enjoyable work and then at some point.
Speaker 1: So when I had the insight that I wanted to
Speaker 1: make a film about to the Heart, I quit Cold Turkey.
Speaker 1: And it was like a social crucifixion of course, because
Speaker 1: my family father was crazy. Everyone thought I was crazy.
Speaker 1: And it took me five years to produce the film
Speaker 1: and write the book, So it was five years of
Speaker 1: social crucification. But I don't know. In a way, it
Speaker 1: zipped away everything that was not real, zipped away too
Speaker 1: in essential, And you know, at one point you you
Speaker 1: don't care anymore what other people say or think. It's
Speaker 1: just yourliveness in you is so big and so great
Speaker 1: and so expensive. I was just happy with listening to
Speaker 1: my soul. I felt so happy all the time. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is it, let's go.
Speaker 2: Of course, you're gonna leave friends and family behind when
Speaker 2: you make a big life change like that, But as
Speaker 2: you're saying, you feel a lot better. Have the people
Speaker 2: that left come back into your life or do you
Speaker 2: have friends and family that are like you know, he
Speaker 2: was crazy to quit being a lawyers.
Speaker 1: It's crazy that when you become successful, people start to
Speaker 1: treat you you better. When you have success, people become nicer.
Speaker 1: You know, if you win, you have friends. They don't
Speaker 1: support you when you were going through your trials and
Speaker 1: when you, you know, start to follow your dreams, they
Speaker 1: only support you once they see that you're doing well
Speaker 1: and have success. When the film came out, I had
Speaker 1: a big premiere here in the city of Antwerp. We
Speaker 1: had a big venue with thousands of people, and I
Speaker 1: obviously I didn't invite my family because they didn't support
Speaker 1: what I was doing. Wow. So the whole venue was
Speaker 1: sold out with thousands of people. And after the screening
Speaker 1: of the film, I did the Q and A. I
Speaker 1: they asked me on station. We did the Q and
Speaker 1: A and the spotlights were on the public and I
Speaker 1: every from everyone was giving the film standing of ass
Speaker 1: was like, oh, my god, when they really love it.
Speaker 1: In the middle and the center of the audience, there
Speaker 1: were a few people who were not standing up, and
Speaker 1: I looked a little bit better and I saw it
Speaker 1: was my family. Oh, in the middle there was my father.
Speaker 1: And after the so they were like, they were like,
Speaker 1: looking at all those people, why are they applauding, Why
Speaker 1: are they, you know, giving this a standing ovation. They
Speaker 1: were like they didn't get it. So afterwards, I was
Speaker 1: signing books and my father was standing in the line
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, you're here. I didn't invite you,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm glad that you came and I
Speaker 1: asked him, did you learn something? And he said, I
Speaker 1: thought that what he said to me, Yeah, I learned something.
Speaker 1: He said, I thought that my son was crazy talking
Speaker 1: about me, of course, but now I know that that
Speaker 1: there that there are a lot of crazy people in
Speaker 1: the world. Ah.
Speaker 2: So he didn't get it at all.
Speaker 1: He didn't get it. No, it was like, why are
Speaker 1: they interested about, you know, in living from the heart,
Speaker 1: and why is that such a big deal? And and
Speaker 1: and and and I didn't. I mean, I he passed
Speaker 1: away last year, but I was okay with it. Really. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they it's so funny you you evolved in
Speaker 2: a whole different direction than your family.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And uh, that's that's a that's a shocker. Uh.
Speaker 2: The books called Manifestation Perfected six steps to embody your
Speaker 2: soul purpose and uh, if you would like more information
Speaker 2: on Baptiste, uh you can what's what's the website again,
Speaker 2: It's the Power of the Heart dot com correct bo com.
Speaker 1: And you can follow me follow me on social media
Speaker 1: on especially I think on Instagram Battista pop Official. I'm
Speaker 1: also on Facebook, but my Facebook Pitch Official pitch got hacked.
Speaker 1: Or you can follow me on TikTok if you want
Speaker 1: uh and also on LinkedIn. Yeah, this is is.
Speaker 2: An excellent read. And we haven't really talked about people
Speaker 2: other than the three women in the book who have
Speaker 2: had great success. But what makes you feel like this
Speaker 2: is the real key to having deep, deep personal satisfaction
Speaker 2: and intimacy of success.
Speaker 1: I think if you went, you know, to death and
Speaker 1: back like Anita more Johnny than you really have seen
Speaker 1: it all and you really have seen what it's all about.
Speaker 1: And I think the key is studying near death experiences
Speaker 1: and people who who have been in that dimension and
Speaker 1: came back and tell us why we're really here and
Speaker 1: what the purpose of life is. M fantastic.
Speaker 2: Hey, really a pleasure having you on the program.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. I thank you for your questions,
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed our conversation. Thank you, Cliff.
Speaker 2: It was really something about the presentation that Baptiste was
Speaker 2: providing in describing a soul based intention, a soul based manifestation,
Speaker 2: if you can get in that state of mind, and
Speaker 2: that's what the book's all about, is getting into that
Speaker 2: sole level of knowing what's best for you and then
Speaker 2: moving forward with the intention and then the manifestation. I
Speaker 2: think that is an amazing goal. I haven't read the
Speaker 2: entire book, to be perfectly honest with you, so I
Speaker 2: don't know how it's set up. We talked about the
Speaker 2: six sections and you're gonna need to get the book
Speaker 2: for more details, but I mean it feels right to me.
Speaker 2: It feels really really good. There were not enough examples
Speaker 2: of people that were manifesting. He talked about himself, Baptiste
Speaker 2: and talked about himself, and of course super super positive
Speaker 2: manifestors Oprah Winfrey, JK. Rowlings, and of course Anita More
Speaker 2: Johnny I got to get that book. By the way,
Speaker 2: Dying to Be Me sounds amazing me even get her
Speaker 2: on the show. But those are super manifestors. Those are
Speaker 2: those are people that are so locked in that you know,
Speaker 2: they're living there their self, They're living their dream, they're
Speaker 2: living their higher self, their their soul. Super super manifestors.
Speaker 2: And I'm just curious how much time is needed. I mean,
Speaker 2: how do you know that you are living your soul's intent.
Speaker 2: That's a tough one. I mean, he talked some of
Speaker 2: the about that. But if you can get into that
Speaker 2: state of mind while and maintain it, And I think
Speaker 2: those three women are excellent examples of that. But I
Speaker 2: wonder who else would be a good example? You know,
Speaker 2: is Elon Musk an example of a person living his
Speaker 2: soul purpose?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Think about the CEOs from some of the Fortune five
Speaker 2: hundred companies, you know, Michael Jordan, super Athletes, Steve Steph Curry.
Speaker 2: Hard to say, really hard to say. It's an interesting question.
Speaker 2: But what happens if the whole plants filled with guys
Speaker 2: like that, women and men who are living their ultimate reality,
Speaker 2: their soul purpose. Wow, it's amazing fun to think about
Speaker 2: manifestation perfected.
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Speaker 2: I think my guest today Baptiste Pope, his new book
Speaker 2: Manifestation perfected as always a team of Gil Tour, Mark
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