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a heads up, it is now not homophobic or racist
to criticize Clorine Jean Pierre. So I think that's I mean,
that's what I'm seeing from all the Democrats now they're
criticizing her as being incompetent. All those years when we
were saying she was incompetent, but now it's okay to
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She she's now an independent quote unquote, and that's the
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View would hire her. But that's not what I want
to talk about right now. I want to get into
the uh, the passage of Senate Bill one P. Fifty
three up in Raleigh yesterday. It was actually over in
the House. It came out of the Senate, went over
to the House. Charlotte Observer reporter Kyle Ingram has the story,
and it begins fussly. North Carolina House Republicans passed a
broad immigration bill which means we're going to be increasing
immigration specifically of women. That's sorry, that's it, I kid,
it's a it's a wide ranging it's and it's an
expansive immigration bill seeking to mandate further state cooperation with ICE,
also prevent unauthorized immigrants from receiving state benefits, and opened
local governments with sanctuary policies up to civil lawsuits. So,
in other words, you will now be able to sue
local governments if you are victimized by somebody and that
somebody was you know, supposed to have not been in
your sanctuary jurisdiction. Oh, the outrage. The debate ran over
an hour, yes, to almost two hours. The entire afternoon
session ran about three and a half and I watched it.
So do I bill for the overtime, because that would
be that would be three and a half hours that
I worked on just my three hour day. Do I
need to bill for the overtime on that? No, I
don't get overtime, so I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we have a lot of sound. I have a
lot of sound bites. I listened to this, to this
debate actually twice. Well that would be six hours then almost,
and then I edited it down and wrote up the
cut sheets. Anyway, by the way, I keep referencing this
because I was accused of only working fifteen hours.
Speaker 1: A week the other day, and so I just this,
and it was news to me. It really was.
Speaker 2: I was not aware that I was only working three
hours a week because I just come in and I
have zero prep. I've done nothing, you know, to actually
do a show for three hours. I just walk in
the door and there's just and I just start talking
and then that's it, and the sound bites just miraculously
appear for me, Like this one deb Butler she of
I will not yield, mister speaker.
Speaker 1: Remember that.
Speaker 2: She refused to yield the floor over a veto override
vote Republicans in the majority in the House. This was
I don't know, probably about five years ago. And they
show up at a session and they were. They had
on the calendar a veto override, and they had this
thing on the calendar, and they're like, we're going to
bring this thing up. If every Democrat doesn't show up
to every single session, we are We're totally going to
bring this thing up for an override. And so Democrats
were told that, and then they didn't show up and
it happened to be nine to eleven anniversary. They were
not at a nine to eleven memorial event as the
media and Democrats but I repeat myself claim no, they
were across the street working on redistricting maps, so they
were not in the legislative chamber, and Republicans did a
quick headcount, saw that they had the votes to override
the veto, and so they they called for the vote
and Democrats lost their poop. Deb Butler gets up there
with the microphone and is refusing to stop shouting I
will not yield, I will not yet, and she just
refused to be budged. The great irony in all of
that was that had they just walked out, then there
would not have been a quorum for the votes to occur.
But because they would not yield, it allowed for the
votes to occur. So they ended up Yeah, they ended
up leading.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I call her. I will not yield.
Speaker 2: Deb Butler, Democrat from New Hanover County. She was the
first Democrat to rise and speak against this bill, this
Senate Bill one fifty three.
Speaker 3: I oppose Senate Bill one fifty three, the North Carolina
Border protect Protection Act. Although North Carolina doesn't share a
border with any other country, what we do share is
a proud legacy of decency, fairness, and a belief that
if you follow the rules, when you work hard, and
you take care of your family, you belong. This bill
is wrapped in the language of public safety, but its
effect will be to create a culture of fear.
Speaker 2: Okay, So first off, the follow the rules bit, I'm
not sure you understand. We're talking about people who literally
did not follow the rules. They came into the country illegally.
They are not following the rules when they come in
the country illegally.
Speaker 1: So that's the first part of it.
Speaker 2: The second part of it is, while we may not
share a border with another country, we actually do have
borders in this state.
Speaker 1: You can see them on maps.
Speaker 2: They draw them in big, fat lines, like thicker lines
than like other lines, you can see them and then yeah,
and oh, one of those borders is an ocean, and
so we may not border a country on our coastline,
but we kind of sort of border every country because
we have an ocean on our border. So anyway, she opposed.
This is the mandate that's in this bill to have
state agencies enter into two eighty seven G agreements. Two
eighty seven G is the policy. It's the section of
the LAG from years and years and years ago that
allows local sheriff's offices to get trained up and then
get access to the federal immigration database. Former Mecklinberg County
Sheriff Jim Pendograph, a Democrat, he figured this out after
talking to a sheriff out west who told him about
this program, and so he came back here and he
implemented it here. We were one of the first. Mecklinbark
County was one of the first counties in America to
implement two eighty seven G. He did it so successfully
it made such an impact that the George W. Bush
administration hired him. He retired from his post a sheriff,
and they hired him to travel the country and help
other sheriff's offices create two eighty seven G programs themselves.
And he did that for I want to say, two
years or something, but living out of a suitcase.
Speaker 1: He said it got to be a bit much so
and then he retired.
Speaker 2: So this bill would force these four state agencies to
enter into twoity seven G agreements. She doesn't like that.
She also doesn't like the idea that we should audit
our public benefits programs to identify illegal alien recipients.
Speaker 3: But here's the fact undocumented immigrants are already ineligible for
nearly all state and federal benefit programs. The real effect
here with this part, I think will be on mixed
status families, where United States citizens children often live with
undocumented parents. A study by the Urban Institute found that
one in five immigrant parents avoided in rolling their children
in food or health care programs because of fear. These
are children who are eligible for benefits and do not
get them. That's not cutting waste, that's denying children's basic needs.
Speaker 2: Okay, so by that standard, we should not check and
see if anybody on public benefit programs are appropriately on
the benefit rolls, right, Because if the mere suggestion of
checking to see if you are allowed to get the benefit,
is going to induce a fear that you won't get
the benefit, so you don't then apply for the benefit.
If that's the standard, then there is no standard, right.
There is no accounting for people's eligibility for these programs.
So and keep in mind this is simply an audit
to see if there are ineligible recipients. They don't even
want to check. That's their position. We shouldn't even check
our roles.
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dare you Republicans try to cooperate with the Republican administration
in enforcing immigration law?
Speaker 1: How dare you?
Speaker 2: That's the general message from the Democrats in the North
Carolina House yesterday, who are very very upset at the
passage of Senate Bill one p fifty three out of
the House. It would require four state law enforcement agencies
to participate in the two eighty seven G program, as
I mentioned also off the agencies include north Care, one
of Departments of Public Safety and Adult Correction, the State
Highway Patrol, and the State Bureau of Investigation. And these
are all executive agencies and they are overseen by Democrat
Governor Josh Stein. They would all be required to carry
out certain ice functions and one of the most bizarre
arguments I heard yesterday was that somehow or another, this
is unconstitutional, that the legislature cannot direct the executive branch
to do anything which is exactly the opposite, exactly the opposite.
Deb Butler, Democrat from New Hanover County, also upset that
this would ban sanctuary policies on unc CAMPI.
Speaker 3: There are over three thousand undocumented students in North Carolina
colleges today, many of them DOCA recipients who have known
no other home in their lives than North Carolina. And
telling these young people who aspire to a better future
that they are unwelcome here is not security. It's cruelty.
Speaker 1: Cruelty.
Speaker 2: See, maybe you guys should have listened to us when
you are out there banging the drum and celebrating Obama's
DACA program that he unilaterally instituted. People like me were
saying at the time, like this is not a good
idea for you Democrats to do, because you're going to
end up putting all of these DOCA recipients in the bullseye. Right,
You're having them come forward, I identify themselves. Hence you
have a list now, and if a Republican gets into office,
and they want to remove these DOCA recipients, then they're
going to have a list and they'll be able to
find them very easily. But no, no, no, you guys
just wanted to call everybody a racist and a xenophobe
and all of that, when in fact I was correct.
People that were making this argument were correct. Also, they
are illegal aliens as well, and you don't get to
give them sanctuary from federal law unless you want to
be in violation of federal law yourselves. The bill also
waives government immunity and it allows private citizens to sue
governments and deb Butler, who will not yield, does not
like this measure either.
Speaker 3: Cities and counties have been protected from civil lawsuits. This
bill strips that protection and weaponizes litigation. What we are
doing here is authorizing political retribution through the courts. It
opens the door to frivolous lawsuits to drain local budgets.
It's going to punish municipalities for having compassion.
Speaker 2: Ah, it's going to punish them for having compassion. No,
it punishes them for violating the law. It punishes them
for aiding and debtting lawbreaking. But I welcome the Democrats
new found concerns about the weaponization of the law and
law fare. Oh, this is a big development here. She's
worried that people might use the court system in order
to intimidate or to exact retribution on political enemies or something. Man,
it would be terrible if we ever saw something like
that happen in America.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, none of these arguments are persuasive to me. It's
all deflection. The cities are not having compassion. It is
not compassionate to prop up a broken immigration system that
leads to countless deaths, sexual abuse, right, human trafficking, drug trafficking.
That's the problem. It is the broken system and what
we have witnessed over the last four years. By the way,
did you notice the fentanyl is now being cut off
coming into America. That's amazing. How did that happen? Gosh,
that's a brain buster. We may never know why all
of a sudden, the fentanyl traffickers have not been trafficking
as much fentanyl into America.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 2: So this would allow private citizens who get victimized because
of the sanctuary policies of their city or county. It
allows them to now sue their city or county for
not protecting them. So it's waiving this government immunity that
has allowed sheriffs like the one we have here in
Mecklenburg County Gary. Not my fault, McFadden and others right
to not cooperate to obstruct right to offer sanctuary all
of these different policies throughout all of these different jurisdictions. Right,
they do it in order to try to obstruct federal
immigration enforcement. And now you will be able to get
sued for that. These weren't this isn't frivolous. These are
people who get victimized by people you let out or
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I got a tweet here from Eric. It's a peat
tweet quote. There should be zero undocumented students enrolled in
American universities. People who are not here legally should not
be rewarded. Now there is a by coincidence. A related
story the DC Metro the train system has achieved an
eighty two to eighty five percent reduction in subway fair evasion. Right,
so these are like people who jump the turnstiles, they
don't pay for their fares, you know, on the way
into the subway system. How did they do it? A
combination of taller faregates, right, so you just make the
rather than just have like one bar that you walk through,
you do like the doors where it's like a whole
bunch of bars and you can't go through because you
because it's basically a door, like a slatted bar door.
So you have taller faregates and enhanced enforcement, and that
has led to an eighty five percent reduction in fair jumpers. Also,
crime on the system has also fallen to its lowest
level in seven years. Huh ah, that happened. It's almost
as if, as Charles Faine Layman, I think he's with
the Washington Exam No Manhattan Institute and City Journal. He says,
it's cool. How when you enforce against minor crime, removing
anti social people from the system and reinforcing shared norms,
major crime falls too. If only there was a term
for that, which there is. It's the broken window. It's
the broken window policy, right, don't You don't let people
off the hook for the small things, because then it
creates a degeneracy leading to more of the larger things.
So this is what the immigration debate is also about.
You have one political party that has thrown its lot
in with the open borders crowd and for their own
personal political benefit. Now they dress it up in all
sorts of nice language and they accuse their opponents of
being mean.
Speaker 1: You're going to hear that.
Speaker 2: But there is a reason why they want the borders
to be as open as possible and to have a
social welfare system that is so rich that it creates
this magnet for people to come. They have personal political benefit,
their party benefits. So by Republicans passing Senate Bill one
fifty three, they're attacking sort of the lower level things
in order to get at the larger level thing like
the DC fair jumping leading to a reduction in crime.
Pricey Harrison a Democrat from Guildford, another awful affluent white
female Liberal. She raised concerns about ICE arrests and how
ICE agents are wearing plain clothes and wearing masks and such.
Speaker 4: These target people who are following the sentencing of local
judges and the criminal legal justice system. This underminds do process,
the rule of law and trust, and the overall judicial system.
It penalizes and discourages persons who lack legal status from
attending court dates and probation appointments. These arrests make us
all less safe as they fear the judicial system and
public safety.
Speaker 2: So she's complaining there about ICE conducting operations outside of
immigration courts or sorry, criminal courthouses. Right, that's her complaint,
And she says, now that means illegal aliens are not
going to be comfortable going to their court dates, checking
in with their parole officers or probation officers or whatever.
Speaker 1: What is she not saying that.
Speaker 2: These are people convicted of crimes to the point where
they are now still having to attend court proceedings. They're
having to check in with probation officers. Right, they have
been arrested for something, and she doesn't want ICE to
come and get them because they may be afraid to
come to court, because otherwise they're gonna get on a
straight and narrow right, I mean that's the thing. They
came in illegally, yes, yes, yes, but let's let bygones
be bygones. And then while here illegally they broke our laws.
Then they got arrested for breaking some laws. How many
other laws did they break that they did not get
caught for, don't know, but okay, now they're going to court,
and now they have to worry about getting apprehended by
ice and deported. So now they're not going to show
up for court, which also does what means they have
a bench warrant now out on them, and now you
can go pick them up and deport them. So far,
I'm not seeing a downside to this strategy. Ray, Welcome
to the program. Hello, Ray, Hello, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 5: I was just just speaking in general terms. It seems
to me, and you can confirm or tell me if
I'm wrong, but it seems to me like since the
beginning of a country, just judging by the past five years,
that we've got laws that tend to be broken or overlooked,
and shortcuts and loopholes found around them, like the sanctuary
cities and all of these kinds of things. So they
do all that and then it gets pretty bad, and
then the Republicans have to come in and kind of
make new laws to clean up that mess, and then
for a while it might straighten out, and then the
cycle just repeats and repeats over the last couple hundred years.
Am I pretty much on the track there?
Speaker 1: Well, it will never not repeat.
Speaker 2: This will be the way forever, because government is a
man made construct, man made institution, right, and so because
it's made by man, it's not going to be perfect,
and you're going to have unethical and immoral people that
always search out the loopholes in order to gain an advantage.
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a constant project, right.
Speaker 5: I guess I'll just keep keep asking you once in
a while about this because it just I guess I'm
under the false impression that it'll it'll all be straightened
out someday and it'll be perfect. But it won't.
Speaker 2: No, that is correct, right, So let's know that that's
a uh, that's sort of a utopian vision, right then,
that's usually on the left. The Marxists usually believe that
utopia can be achieved. I am a realist. I don't
believe that that's possible. There will always be the need
for this kind of patchwork on the infrastructure of law
and our in our society.
Speaker 1: So it's it's yeah, like it never ends.
Speaker 2: That's why good competent people need to volunteer their time
and efforts to help maintain this infrastructure, or we lose
it to the bad and incompetent people.
Speaker 5: All right, well, thanks for putting me back on the track.
Speaker 2: Yeh man, all right, happy to do it. Thanks for
the call, right, appreciate it, all right, I get it.
And look sometimes I say this all the time. He
who stops to sharpen his axe cuts more wood. And
sometimes you're following this stuff, you're involved in this stuff whatever,
and you get burned out on it.
Speaker 1: And it's okay to step aside, let somebody else.
Speaker 2: Do the work for a little while, and maybe you
don't ever come back to it. But people need to volunteer.
And then when you're done, then step aside and let
other people do the work at that point. But hopefully
you're able to make some fixes and you're able to
build a template that others can follow that will support
and maintain the benefits of this society.
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one fifty three. Phil Ubin, Democrat from Wake County. He
called ice lawless and abusive and that we should not
quote bring that darkness into our state agencies. Okay, these
are the people that we are dealing with on the
other side of the political aisle. Jordan Lopez, a Democrat
from right here in Mecklenburg County. He opposes the state
doing really anything to help the federal government do its job.
Speaker 6: Why would we require state agencies that are already overburdened
to take on additional responsibilities for an administration whose policies
fly in the face of constitutional protections, as my colleague
just laid out for you. Additionally, I've yet to find
any information that undocumented immigrants are receiving some outsized number
of state funded benefits. If you're here in this chamber,
then you should know that undocumented immigrants can only receive
state funded benefit a number, a limited number, excuse me,
of benefits in the first place, primarily around emergency medical services,
the prevention of communicable diseases, access to food. I don't know,
just basic things that at least I believe keep people alive,
regardless of their legal status. Look, we have a broken
system that is not ours to fix. It's the federal governments. Heck,
Congress had the opportunity to start fixing the immigration system
just last year, but chose not to because a certain
someone whose name is all through this bill, saw an
opportunity to benefit politically from this dysfunction.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this this lie, Jordan Lopez, Representative Mecklenburg County.
This is a lie, and the lie is proven to
be so by the very fact that the border has
now been closed.
Speaker 1: We did not need another bill.
Speaker 2: We did not need that terrible border bill that codified
a certain amount of illegal crossings every single day before
there would be this trigger that would be tripped. But oh,
it wouldn't even be a trigger because it would still
be up to the Department of Homeland Security secretary. So
if he didn't want to trip the trigger, he didn't
have to. If the president didn't want to trip the trigger,
he didn't have to. And what we learned over the
last four years is they did not want to trip
the trigger. They wanted it open. It was a bad bill.
Donald Trump was right, you didn't need the bill. You
needed a different president. You needed somebody that would say,
these are the laws, and we are going to enforce them.
That's precisely what they have been doing, and that is
precisely why the border has now been closed. You can
look at the crossing numbers. I ran the audio from
Tom Homan two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: It is an.
Speaker 2: Amazing drop off that we have seen. We did not
need new legislation, but this freaking lie that you keep advancing.
Speaker 1: You could have done the bipartisan bill, but Trump killed
it for his own political gain.
Speaker 2: It was a bad bill. That's why it got shut down.
And by the way, what did he just acknowledge in
those comments that illegal aliens do actually get state taxpayer
funded benefit.
Speaker 1: They do.
Speaker 2: So you got some of the Democrats up there saying
they don't really get any, and then you got him
of there. Oh, I mean they get some, and he
actually is now passed the Okay, fine, there's a little
bit of it happening. He's now with the phase of okay,
a little bit of this happening, but here's why it's
a good thing. That's where he's at in that argument.
It's the same trajectory in all of these arguments. Voter
id same thing. Oh, vote frauds not happening. Then you
show them that it's happening. Okay, it's just not a lot,
and then you show that, okay, it actually can affect
the outcome in certain races, and it's like, oh, okay, fine,
but here's why it's a good thing. Everybody should be
able to vote. We don't want people, you know, being
afraid to vote. It's the same argument repackaged in order
to obstruct the actual following of law, enforcement of law.
They don't want there to be any kind of immigration controls.
They want any body that gets here to be able
to stay. That's obvious. They want to give amnesty to
all illegal aliens. That's the endgame. And kudos to Representative
John Blust who set it to them. We have been
talking about this. The message has finally gotten through. It's
now becoming more widely accepted and spoken of, which is
the census.
Speaker 1: It's the census.
Speaker 2: They need as many of these people to stay before
twenty thirty because when twenty twenty thirty runs rolls around
and the census gets underway, illegal aliens will be counted
once again, and when they are counted, it will artificially
inflate the population numbers for predominantly blue districts and blue states,
which means what they keep more seats in Congress, and
they keep more seats in the North Carolina Legislature Democrats do.
They have a personal vested interest in allowing people to
break the law and stay their political fortunes hinge on
the breaking of the law. That's why they don't want
to see these people deported, any of them.
Speaker 1: Oh, the poor person.
Speaker 2: Who you know, came in illegally and then violated some
criminal statutes, got themselves arrested and now is showing up
for their court date and Ice comes in and deports them.
And how dare they that person should be allowed to
go through his due process. Actually, no, the law does
not require that at all. The person is not in
the country legally. You do not have all of the
rights and privileges afforded to US citizens. You do not
you know why you're not a US citizen.
Speaker 1: It's very clear.
Speaker 2: It's an article to power under the president. Then there's
Maria Servagna. God, she spoke for like ten minutes or something.
It was ugh and it was all about public health
this and Public Health Act because she was like a
nurse or is a nurse, and so she's just in
opposition to any review of public benefits.
Speaker 1: We cannot even look. This is like maintaining the voter rolls.
Speaker 2: We can't even look to see if people have identifiable
numbers like social security or driver's license numbers attached to
their voter profile.
Speaker 1: We should even be looking at this people.
Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you
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