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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein Chronicles. Over the past twenty four hours or so,

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<v Speaker 1>we've received some conflicting reports out of the UK about

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not they're going to hold a public inquiry

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<v Speaker 1>into Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. The Justice Minister Jake Richards said

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<v Speaker 1>on Wednesday that the new government over in the UK

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<v Speaker 1>was looking very seriously into holding a possible public inquiry,

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<v Speaker 1>but almost directly on the heels of that comment, ten

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<v Speaker 1>Downing Street came out and set the record straight, saying

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<v Speaker 1>that there's no plans at least as of now, to

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<v Speaker 1>hold a public inquiry. So in this episode, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to dive into an article from The Independent talking a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about what's currently going on as far

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<v Speaker 1>as the public inquiry over in the UK into the

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<v Speaker 1>crimes of Jeffrey Epstein. Headline Andy Burnham insists no plans

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<v Speaker 1>for Epstein inquiry, hours after two ministers to say the

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<v Speaker 1>government is looking into it. This article was authored by

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<v Speaker 1>Athena Stavreau and Kate Devlin. Andy Burnham is not actively

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<v Speaker 1>considering public inquiry into the actions of disgrace convicted pedophile

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<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey Epstein. On UK soil. Despite two ministers saying the

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<v Speaker 1>government is looking into it, Victims Minister Alex Davies Jones

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<v Speaker 1>is taking the issue very seriously, as she told BBC

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<v Speaker 1>Newsnight that she had agreed to meet with Epstein victims

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<v Speaker 1>and is looking into a possible inquiry. Justice Minister Jake

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<v Speaker 1>Richards then said on Wednesday morning that it was right

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<v Speaker 1>that we look into what we can and that mister

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<v Speaker 1>Burnham will look into it. But it's now understood that

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<v Speaker 1>a public inquiry is not being actively considered by Number

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<v Speaker 1>ten and that's basically the White House over in the UK,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they say number ten, that's what they're referring to.

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Davies Jones resigned as Justice Minister in May, noting

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<v Speaker 1>a lack of bold radical action under a former Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 1>Sir Cua Stormer, but returned to the role when mister

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<v Speaker 1>Burnham took office. She told the BBC that before joining

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<v Speaker 1>mister Burnham's government, she'd received assurances that he'd put victims first.

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<v Speaker 1>I was having multiple conversations with him and his team.

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Davies Jones said he agreed to meet with the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein victims. He was in close contact with them throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the period where he was becoming Prime minister, and he

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<v Speaker 1>has assured me that he will meet them now that

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<v Speaker 1>he's Prime Minister and will work with us to look

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<v Speaker 1>at systemic change across the system for all victims, whether

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<v Speaker 1>that be victims of Epstein Harad survivors or grooming gang's victims. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't that nice because that grooming gang issue needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be dealt with too. And don't even get me started

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<v Speaker 1>on al fay Ed. The allegations that were made against

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<v Speaker 1>that dude that were swept under the rug basically for

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<v Speaker 1>all those years, they all need to be looked into

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<v Speaker 1>because it looks like mister Mohammed al Fayed was a

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<v Speaker 1>prolific abuser. A potential inquiry into claims against Mohammed al Fayed,

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<v Speaker 1>the former owner of Herod's, who died in twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>is also under review. And you notice over in the

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<v Speaker 1>UK they wait for these dudes to die. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>look at Jimmy Saville. Nobody wanted to talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing while he was alive, but once he died, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody wanted to pile on. The Truth is people knew

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<v Speaker 1>he was a degenerate and they didn't care. And the

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<v Speaker 1>same goes for mister Mohammed al Fayed and certainly for

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<v Speaker 1>the scumbag Jeffrey Epstein. More than four hundred allegations of

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<v Speaker 1>sexual misconduct have been made against al Fayed, dating back

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<v Speaker 1>from nineteen seventy seven and twenty fourteen. Now, does anybody

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<v Speaker 1>on the planet believe that nobody ever reported him, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>ever punched it up the chain of command at work

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<v Speaker 1>at Herod's that mister Mohammed al Fayed was an absolute

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<v Speaker 1>piece of shit. Of course they did. It was ignored.

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<v Speaker 1>And why was it ignored, Well, because Mohammed al Fayed

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<v Speaker 1>was paying the bills. You see. They include sexual assault, rape,

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<v Speaker 1>sexual exploitation and human trafficking. The met Police are speaking

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<v Speaker 1>to at least one hundred and fifty six victims who

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<v Speaker 1>contacted them directly, including twenty one who came forward before

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<v Speaker 1>al Fayed's death at the age of ninety four. Asked

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<v Speaker 1>if a public inquiry was on the table, Miss Davies

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<v Speaker 1>Jones said, we're looking into this, we're reviewing what's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Same with Harad survivors. Well, if they want to just

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<v Speaker 1>do a gigantic inquiry and cover all these bases. That's cool,

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<v Speaker 1>that'll work, in my opinion. What's unacceptable is doing nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>At least have this committee and bring witnesses up and

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<v Speaker 1>see what they have to say. We already have a

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<v Speaker 1>now statutory inquiry under way for the grooming gang's victims.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been assured that the Prime Minister is taking this

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<v Speaker 1>very seriously. Well, where have we heard that before? Not

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the first time somebody has told us that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to take this seriously and then get into a

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<v Speaker 1>position of power and do nothing. Now we haven't reached

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<v Speaker 1>that point here yet, but I have my suspicions about

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<v Speaker 1>how serious they're going to be when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>justice for people that were abused by people like Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>or Muhammed al Fayed. And look, that's because we live

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<v Speaker 1>in a world that is largely unjust, and I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>that's not breaking news to most people out there. He

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<v Speaker 1>will meet with the victims and he's looking at what

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<v Speaker 1>is possible now that he has access to all the

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<v Speaker 1>information as Prime minister, to see what action he can take.

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<v Speaker 1>She continued, What more can we do to truly make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that our criminal justice system is taking victims seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>that they can rebuild that faith and trust in the

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<v Speaker 1>system again. Good luck. And I won't pretend to be

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<v Speaker 1>some kind of expert on what's going on over in

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<v Speaker 1>the UK, because I'm certainly not. But I know that

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<v Speaker 1>the trust here in America when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>institutions has been completely eroded away. And some of that

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<v Speaker 1>is the cause of a demoralization campaign being run against

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<v Speaker 1>Americans that means you, but a lot of it is

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<v Speaker 1>the responsibility of the institutions themselves from lying, being deceitful,

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<v Speaker 1>and not doing what they say they're going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So can you blame people for not trusting them or

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<v Speaker 1>trusting the outcome? And once that happens in society, it

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<v Speaker 1>leads to bad things. And if we don't get our

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<v Speaker 1>shit together soon, we're all going to have a front

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<v Speaker 1>row seat to just how bad things can get. Justice

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<v Speaker 1>Minister Jake Richards confirmed that potential inquiry on Wednesday, telling

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<v Speaker 1>Sky News, well, I know that Alex and the victim

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<v Speaker 1>Minister had discussions with the Prime Minister about it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>right that we look into what we can do. No

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<v Speaker 1>stone should be left unturned when we consider these horrific

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<v Speaker 1>crimes that it seem to have happened at huge scale.

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<v Speaker 1>The Prime Minister will look into it. Well that's nice,

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<v Speaker 1>but what's he going to do after he looks into it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what really matters. Plenty of people have told us, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take a look at this, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that people that were responsible, people that

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<v Speaker 1>were involved are held accountable, only to end up getting

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<v Speaker 1>shit on every single time. And if you think you're frustrated,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think you're upset, can you imagine how the

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<v Speaker 1>survivors feel Time and time again. People tell them, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we hear you, we care about you, only to ignore

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<v Speaker 1>them when the chips are down and there's nothing else

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<v Speaker 1>you can call that but cowardice, right, because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it is, straight up cowardice. He'll take his time, no doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>to think about the best route for victims, but also

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<v Speaker 1>to crucially ensure lessons are learned, to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>these sorts of things never happen again. Jess Phillips, the

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<v Speaker 1>former Minister for Safeguarding and Violence against Women and Girls

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<v Speaker 1>who resign from cure ter Starmer's government, accusing him of

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<v Speaker 1>failing to take bold action, told The Independent she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see an inquiry saying there's a level of impunity

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<v Speaker 1>that appears to have been afforded to some men with

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<v Speaker 1>power and money, where parts of the British state were

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<v Speaker 1>used to enable mass trafficking and abuse of young women

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<v Speaker 1>and girls. The victims deserve answers, They most certainly do. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we're going to get them, at least

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<v Speaker 1>not to the level that provides the clarity that we need. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>the Justice Department, the UK, all these governing bodies have

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<v Speaker 1>one option here if they want to regain the trust

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<v Speaker 1>of the people, and that is full transparency, and we

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<v Speaker 1>all know that's not going to happen. Epstein's survivor, Lisa Phillips,

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<v Speaker 1>told the BBC she hoped for a meeting with mister

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<v Speaker 1>Burnham would mark the beginning of a new chapter, one

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<v Speaker 1>where survivors are heard, lessons are learned, institutions are held accountable,

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<v Speaker 1>where appropriate and lasting reforms help protect future generations, not

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<v Speaker 1>asking for too much, God forbid, somebody that was abused

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<v Speaker 1>asked for some reform. The BBC reports, Leading labor campaigners

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<v Speaker 1>on violence against women and girls sent mister Burnham a

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<v Speaker 1>document calling for an impunity inquiry investigating the UK activities

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<v Speaker 1>of Epstein, the alleged behavior of Al Fayed, and allegations

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<v Speaker 1>of sexual misconduct against west Ham co owner David Sullivan.

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Sullivan was accused of sexually exploitative and predatory behavior

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<v Speaker 1>by seven women during a joint investigation by BBC's Panorama

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<v Speaker 1>The Times into the seventy seven year old businessman. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>to be honest, I don't know enough about that man's

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<v Speaker 1>allegations to give you an opinion one wire or the other,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is what's being alleged. Mister Sullivan, west Ham's

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<v Speaker 1>largest shareholder, stood down as joint chair of the club

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<v Speaker 1>shortly before the investigation was broadcast in June, saying he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to focus on fighting what he he called factually

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<v Speaker 1>incorrect and entirely false decades old allegations concerning my personal life.

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<v Speaker 1>The document reportedly calls for the scope of any Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>inquiry to focus on UK borders and question how he

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<v Speaker 1>was able to fly in and out of UK military

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<v Speaker 1>bases on his private jet, often with women who had

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly been trafficked. Well, I'd love to see that. I

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<v Speaker 1>would love to see the UK kick that off. Do

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<v Speaker 1>I have confidence that it's gonna happen. No, I do not,

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<v Speaker 1>But as usual we'll continue to follow along and when

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<v Speaker 1>we have some information one way or the other will

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<v Speaker 1>get it added to the catalog. All the information that

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<v Speaker 1>goes with this episode can be found in the description box.