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Speaker 1: I've always believed in one mantra, share your story or

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someone will write it for you. And as we continue

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to grow inside this podcast world, there's a lot of

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stories we haven't dug into yet. Ero dot net A

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R R O E dot net. Thank you so much

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for supporting the vision as well as the path.

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Speaker 2: Hey there, Shaman, we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I get to see what you look like, Michael,

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what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 4: Hi?

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: This is this is the reason why, because this is

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our conversation started based upon the love of this.

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Speaker 1: Look at that. See that's the kind of stuff that

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listeners do not get to experience. Man, we're because we're

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also behind the scenes on everything, and that they don't

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get to experience the journey itself.

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Speaker 2: Right And this person right here, this is how we connected.

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And she says, this is why she's a people's person

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because of watching Peanuts, And so you're gonna be able

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to have a full, great conversation with her like I

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just had. She's all yours.

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Speaker 1: I got to start it off. I ask you the

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question with you being a Peanuts fan, I mean it

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all begins with you know, during the lockdown when when

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we had those massive stuff on. I felt like I

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was part of Charlie Brown with with those masks on,

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I couldn't understand a dang thing anybody was saying.

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Speaker 3: Me and my mom, Okay, this sounds crazy. Me and

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my mom would we would like when she would quickly

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the story. She'd take me to lunch sometimes, like in

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like when I was a senior, so whenever I had

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like my off periods, so.

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Speaker 5: She would take you to lunch and we would sit

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outside and finish my lunch, and like we were near

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the front, so all the kids would walk in and stuff,

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and like usually it was like during like winter, so

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like all the kids would walk in. Yeah, we would

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play the Charlie Brown Christmas Christmas time and just laugh

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because they all except like Charlie Brown walking and everything.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it seems like me and sorry we

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brought us so much joy for some reason. We're like

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they're doing the Charlie Brown walks and now when I'm sad,

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I do the Charlie Brown walk.

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Speaker 1: Wow, if you've done the research behind the people who

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made that Charlie Brown muse, the one thing that I

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always found fascinating is the man that's playing the piano

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just took a chance. I mean, it was just his job.

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He was just a studio musician that happened to sit

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in and look at the legacy that a man who

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took a chance. My god, he's still with us today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, that is that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So what is that like to be a musician knowing

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that that one song that you think is going to

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be the big song, it's not usually that one. It's

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the one that's usually written in the last ten minutes

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because you need a two and a half minute song

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in order to complete the EP or the album.

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Speaker 3: Well, like now that you say that for my EP,

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A line like I had all this song, The first

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one I wrote was literally in twenty twenty three. Well

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i'd really seen in twenty twenty four. It was like

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the beginning of twenty twenty three, and it had been

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my first like official, like done song because I have

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so many like notes on my apps and like voice

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modes of me just mumbling. But it was finally the

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first one that had to like clear, like this what

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I want. And I brought it to my vocal coach, Natalie,

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who's just wonderful and she helps me with She helps

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me a lot with like the production because she has

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logic pro x on her, like she has her little

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at home studio, which in the beginning of the voice

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episode of My intro, that was her studio. So I

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go there to record covers. At first I did, and

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then we moved on to doing MP stuff. But after

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I had my first song we recorded, we had the

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other ones, and then we're like, I want something just

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like a wrap up. I didn't have the name for

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myp I was like, this one feels like just emotional

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and not. It didn't have normal song structure. It wasn't

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like okay versus chorus bridge. It was just like verse

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bridge outro. I was like, but I really like this

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one and it kind of aligns with everything. And I

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was like, align, everything's aligning. I'm at the part of

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the song of like I'm a new age like it

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was like the kind of the key part of the song,

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and I just felt like, dang, like I am kind

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of aligning as an artist. So that's why I named

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it a line my Holy pee. And that was the

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wrap up song, so yeah, you really don't. It was

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a last minute edition even though I needed that one

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more song, but I didn't even know the name my

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p and I was like, it just happens naturally sometimes.

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like the best artists planned, but also music you just create.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do in a situation like that

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where somebody drops a guitar riff on you? Because I

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mean I did that when I was putting my last

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project together and it was Alan that sent me the

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guitar riff and he says, I really want this to

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be on your next work, and he says, figure it out,

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figure out what the story is going to be about.

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We can do everything around this guitar riff, but figure

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it out and of all things, And that's what I

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love about music, or and or writing in general. It's

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not that it's hard. It's just that you have to

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be open to receive it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to really if you overthink it almost Yeah,

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well that's the kind of thing I'll I've been taken

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to the voice, Like I was asking the legendary Joe

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for advice and he said that was yeah, that was crazy.

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I say that casually, but that was crazy. And he

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was just like, how are you ready for that big performance?

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the moment, because I have a lot going on in

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my head all the time, and sometimes you really just

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have to shut it off and be present. So I

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think like that's the same thing with music. Like if

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you're if you're trying a song rite and you're like,

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what rhymes with the does with the that's not that's

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not working for me. Like for me, it's like I

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don't sit down. I'm like, okay, today I'm writing a song,

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I want to get stuff done, I'll work on songs

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I've wrote. But it's really just that ultimate inspiration I get.

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And then usually I end up writing like pages of it,

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just running, running thoughts, running thoughts, and then you edit

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it down and edit it down. So when you have

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that idea, even when she presents me an idea like

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she presents on my last on my single, she presented

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like right before the chorus, there's this little like piano.

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China was like, leave is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was like at first, I was like that sounds

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a little like I don't know Christmas bells, I don't know.

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it like with this filter on instead, but keep the

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original idea and we And that's the part that I

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always end up like nodding my head to. So, yeah,

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you get presented in something and you fit it in

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to match your your vibe or your creativity kind of

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changes into something that makes it your own as an artist.

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So I think that's always interesting and that's why I

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love collaborating too. Oh yeah, the best art comes from collaborations.

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Speaker 1: So now what is that like for you to mess

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around with the filters when you know that the people

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that came long before, such as the Hank Williams and

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even even the Beatles, because if it wasn't for George Martin,

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I always wonder what the Beatles would have sounded like

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because they were always playing with sounds and go out.

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Speaker 4: And find a sound effect and we'll figure out how

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to put it inside the music. Just go play, go play,

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and it's and it's like it sounds like that's what

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you're doing too. You're just playing I'm a child inside

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a music store.

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Speaker 3: Literally, like when it's like an inside a candy shop,

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like if I'm picking a sound like uh, I'll start

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with like, if I want this song to have just

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like a main piano, I'll start I'll make sure I

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literally like Logic Pre especially has so many like I

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feel like this is like a Logic Pro promo, but

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it has so many I'll go through and literally I'll

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have her play the chord for me while I click

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it so I can hear it in all the different things.

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go through and I'm like, that's the right one, that's right.

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and then I'll also like here sounds like here I

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want a symbol like I don't know, I'm lucky to

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just hear that like, and I'm like, I feel like

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here needs this like little synth, So we'll go back

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and add that and these little sounds. So something in

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my music I love is how layered it is, Like

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all these tracks, yeah, layered and numbered. So it may

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make editing more, mixing more difficult for the first in

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a mix, but I just love adding all these sounds

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because I feel like it just makes the atmosphere of

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the song come to life and I have so much

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Speaker 1: With So then what what do you do though, when

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Jim's studio, and when I took it to him, he goes, Okay,

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we can make this work. And then when I take

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it to go listen to it in the car, because

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music in the car, and it didn't have that layered sound.

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I took it back and said, dude, you got to

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you messed up. This is this is not what I feel. Well,

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you know, you got to go with the flow. You

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gotta go where it's at. And it's like, oh my god, Ava,

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how do you deal with that?

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Speaker 3: This is my vision? Okay? Honestly, like there's only been Natalie,

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my book coach. She gets me so well. So I

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feel like we spend a lot of time, like whenever

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we're sending it to get mixed by an engineer, that

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we make sure to reference a bunch of songs that

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the vibe is. We make sure to literally we go

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to sound like and we describe it in a bunch

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of words. We say, from this point to this point,

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we want it to be just pure like raw vocal

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at this point. So we literally go in the email

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and annoy the heck out of him with all the

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with all the like notes, and then usually he'll send

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back a mix, and then I'll listen to the mix,

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but I'll make sure to listen with headphones, and then

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I'll listen in the car because sometimes it really does

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it makes a difference. Like for one of my songs,

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like the bassline, you can't really hear when you're listening headphones.

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Speaker 5: In the car. It's like yeah, around the South.

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Speaker 3: So well, usually it takes a few mixes back and forth,

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and then I'll be like, can he literally tweak one thing,

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like I know it's a new, whole, new mix, but

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I really just that one sound needs to be like

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louder or softer, And she'll do it, and then when

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you get the final one, you know that that's the vibe,

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because I mean, you can't be perfectionist with art, Like

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if you could, you'd have like a thousand mixes of

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the song just when it feels perfect Yeah, when it

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feels when it feels right enough and it makes you

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feel something, that's when you know you're good. You don't

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have to make sure everything is perfectly together.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's it's such a challenge and and

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you know, it's almost like one of those things. Do

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you really want the listener to see the wizard behind

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the curtain? You know, because you want to show them

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how it all came into being, But then you also

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like the mystery of it all. You don't need to

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see how I got that harmony. Well, maybe one day

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on a late night radio show, I'll talk about it,

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but not now.

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Speaker 3: Not now.

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Speaker 5: We'll save that for next time.

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Speaker 1: Now, now, being eighteen years old, what the heck are

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you doing up so early? I mean, you should be

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a one or two o'clock person, listen.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm more of a night owl, but I've been

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getting kind of used to it. My classes. So I'm

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in college now, Belmont University in Nashville, and my classes

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are I'm taking you know, the first year required ones,

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but other than that, I'm not doing you know, cognitive

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science major like my sister. Uh, I'm doing hopefully. I

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applied to songwriting, so I'm doing what I love. And

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so I got up early and I'm in the jack

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Massy Hall because my roommate was sleeping she has class.

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I got up and came here. But it's such a

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nice atmosphere here, and everyone's just so nice, Like even

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this morning, when like no one usually I mean me

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from New York everyone would be kind of grumpy. Yeah,

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you smile even though it's like freezing outside and it's

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like six and six thirty in the morning. Like everyone

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just it's just happy here. So I think that really

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does lift my mood. But yeah, that's why I'm up early.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Ava Nat coming

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up next. Eighteen years old, and she's featured on NBC's

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The Voice. We are back with Ava Nat. When did

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you know that music wasn't going to be your childhood hobby?

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That it was like, oh, we're gonna have to take

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this seriously. Some things are starting to happen inside my

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imagination that no longer says I'm just a child.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so like when I got put into like lessons

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and stuff, like when my close family friend who's also

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like a vocal teacher, Ali she she got married, not

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condor recently, but for Zetto Armor Ali Lambrea. She kind

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of noticed I would just sing at every family event.

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I would sing NonStop or like headbop to songs. People

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started noticing I had rhythm or and so she kind

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of brought me in and made She was like, let

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me try to like teach your like actual technique and

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actual and see if it's not just like she's singing along.

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And we started to take lessons. We started it started

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to be less for fun and we started to get serious.

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And then I did things like Nisma, which in New

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York it's like kind of like you audition in front

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of judges and then you get put in to acquire

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all the kids from your county that audition and you

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did want more. So I started to do that and

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take it more seriously. But I didn't really find you know,

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I was doing classical because that's like what's required. And

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then I always knew like I really like or like

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soul full jazz, but it wasn't really until I was older.

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I had like an epiphany as an artist. I started

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because I remember when I was little, I would like

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have this big iPad that I stole for my like

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mom's office and just start voice memoing outside, like singing

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melodies that I heard. I didn't know how to play piano.

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I didn't know how to do anything, but I would

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do that. And then it wasn't until like I was

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older in high school that I was like, I am

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like a songwriter, Like I love writing. English has always

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been my favorite subject, but I've never really connected it,

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and I'm like, what am I doing here? Like I

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like and the second the second I got the chance

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to switch out of classical to vocal jazz for Nisma,

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I did it right away, So I just connect with

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jazz as well. But yeah, so I started songwriting and

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once I did, we start working on that AP and

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I was I was in the home studio and I

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was hearing those sounds and I was like, wow, I

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can do this artist thing, Like it kind of does

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come come to me, Like you know, it's hard work obviously,

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but it's like something that I love. So it's like

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something that I can I can do and see myself

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doing in the future.

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Speaker 5: Then it just kept going on from that.

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Speaker 3: I really sedp whatever. Then I'm like looking for schools

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and like, this is what I want to do in school.

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I found the best program songwriting, and they have such

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a good commercial like they and it's Nashville, it's music city.

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So that's kind of how I ended up here.

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Speaker 1: Wow, when you when you speak of doing the vocal

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jazz right away, I'm taking back to the story of

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George Benson and then and then just recently, I was

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I was with Brian Culbertson, who puts a lot of

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vocals on his new jazz album and and and So

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to hear you speak in that language, I'm going Ava,

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You're on target, man, this is where it's at that

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now the door is open for you to climb through

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there and you know, and take your line EP to

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a whole completely different level.

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, Like I love I love all I

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because it's so you know, young, vulnerable, not overly professional.

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It's I'm proud of it. I'm not you know, the

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productions kind of. It's just it's just it's it's literally

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like it It's almost like when I released I was like,

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she's I'm gonna go into school the next day. And

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at the time it was just like a girl Shirley

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sing EP. I mean, everyone knew I was a singer

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because you know, that was big for me in high school.

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But I was like, wow, they're literally gonna get insight.

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It's very vulnerable. It's it's like they're reading out of

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my diary and like, and so I walked in through

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the halls, I'm like, I wonder if they listened to

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the song. So there's definitely the aspect of that. But

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then when I started to actually sorry, I was saying, oh,

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I sing with the EP. But then now I'm like,

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I could see myself in the future writing these jazzy

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songs because I love singing it, I love scatting. But

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it's like this this side of my artist shea I

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want to unlock and it's.

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Speaker 5: Like I have so much time and I'm so.

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Speaker 3: Lucky to have a platform, even more of a platform

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now and hopefully you know, I said in my in

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my blind episode, like I wish I do sing jazz,

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and then Michael was like, I wish would have said

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a jazz song. So I'm like, I'm just I'm creeping

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up there and it's kind of just like a surprise

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and a side note, but it is still something important

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to me. So I always do like to mention it,

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like along with me being a singer, scritter because I

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think jazz is so special and like not to choo

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my own more. But like Natalie said, it kind of

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is something that people have naturally. It's not really like

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you can learn to scap but like she showed me

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the blue scale and played it and we just went

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back and forth scatting, and it's just something that came naturally.

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I mean, there's this video of me and when I

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was taking a bath when I was little that I

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simitted it to the show. It's me singing Frank Snatchra

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five times again. I'll show you what I just I'm

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like full on, just like somebody me in the ah

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like singing jazz. And I was like six, and so yeah,

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it's just kind of something you have naturally, I think.

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So I always like to mention my jazz background.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, where can people go to find out

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more about you? And as you continue to grow forward,

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because I mean, you are experiencing a great place in

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music history where it's wide open and it's looking for

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that next step that people can tap into and just

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basically call their own.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you. Honestly, I would say for now, like

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just my my Instagram because I have I'm gonna make

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my website and put it on there, so it's going

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to be easier for people to access. But if you

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look me up, I mean my my artist name's Ava

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Nat a Va Nat, and then my last name is

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my lone, little Italian Milone. So my all of my

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stuff's linked on my Instagram. So Ava Nat nine eight

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nine eight, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Please come back to this show anytime in the future.

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The door is always going to be over to you.

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Oh man, you're fine, You're fun. Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you you as well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you