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Speaker 2: A very happy Friday eve to you.
Speaker 1: Made even extra special because I'm pleased to welcome back
Speaker 1: to the fifty five CARC Morning Show, Senator Rand Paul.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, Senator Paul. I love having you on the
Speaker 1: morning show. My listeners love you too. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Pleasure is all mine and my listeners. Let's start at
Speaker 2: the border.
Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons Donald Trump won, I
Speaker 1: mean and handily won the election is because of the
Speaker 1: chaos the Biden administration unleashed on the American public at
Speaker 1: large by not shutting down the border or doing something
Speaker 1: to control the unmitigated massive flow of humanity screen people
Speaker 1: in Democrat cities, the blue Democrat cities are screaming their
Speaker 1: bloody heads off at town halls and public meetings, yelling
Speaker 1: at their Democrat mayors for not doing something about it.
Speaker 1: The resource is being soaked up, schools are overwhelmed. Are
Speaker 1: we going to get some sense back on the board order?
Speaker 1: Can we shut it down? And can we even unring
Speaker 1: the bell? Of the millions that have already flown into
Speaker 1: our country.
Speaker 3: I think the answer is yes on all fronts. I
Speaker 3: think on day one, President Trump will reinstitute probably over
Speaker 3: ninety executive orders that Biden removed. So during the first
Speaker 3: Trump administration he had over ninety executive orders that did
Speaker 3: help to shut down the border. We believe that Congress
Speaker 3: has given him a great deal of latitude. We've read
Speaker 3: the immigration law and we think he can go further
Speaker 3: than he's gone in the past. We believe that allowing
Speaker 3: migrants to come in for political asylum, the entire process
Speaker 3: is optional, so we think you don't have to begin
Speaker 3: the process. We believe that the president has the power
Speaker 3: when people are in the middle of the river or
Speaker 3: getting out of the river, simply to put them back
Speaker 3: on the Mexican side. And that's what I'm going to
Speaker 3: be advocating. I'm going to have a hearing on this
Speaker 3: before the president has sworn in. It's going to be
Speaker 3: called Remain in Mexico, and we will have this hearing
Speaker 3: and we're going to encourage him to interpret our migration
Speaker 3: laws to say that if you come in illegally, you're
Speaker 3: ineligible for migration or for asylum and then you don't
Speaker 3: have to go through this year's long process of appeals.
Speaker 3: Now the people who have already come, I believe they
Speaker 3: can be their parole can be revoked. It's sort of
Speaker 3: like a criminal proceeding. They're out on parole pending a trial. Well,
Speaker 3: the trials happened in four years, and you can never
Speaker 3: find them and nobody enforces it. If Trump comes in
Speaker 3: and says, well, two million young adult men came in
Speaker 3: last year and we're worried whether they're criminals. We're going
Speaker 3: to revoke their parole and immediately have their trials, I
Speaker 3: think you could go forward with that. People say there
Speaker 3: aren't enough judges. I think every border agent can be
Speaker 3: deputized to a judge the case on whether or not
Speaker 3: someone is validly in the country, and so no. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of this can be reversed, and it's
Speaker 3: just a matter of willpower. Biden had no will power.
Speaker 3: I think Trump comes in with a mandate on the border,
Speaker 3: and I think you will see action.
Speaker 1: Well, and I would think you would see corollary action
Speaker 1: on the part of the Mexican government, who, if stuck
Speaker 1: with all of the would would be entrance into the
Speaker 1: United States, or they're standing in the northern side of
Speaker 1: the Mexican border. The Mexican government isn't going to want
Speaker 1: to allow that to happen. They're going to stop them
Speaker 1: from flowing in through their southern border or otherwise gaining
Speaker 1: entry into their country.
Speaker 3: We have too, the Mexican government controls only about maybe
Speaker 3: seventy five percent of Mexico. The twenty five percent is
Speaker 3: really controlled by the cartels. So the Mexicans probably will
Speaker 3: try and they could block their southern border for people
Speaker 3: coming in that They probably have more ability on their
Speaker 3: southern border than their northern border. But yeah, they could
Speaker 3: choose to control their borders and otherwise they're going to
Speaker 3: be stuck with these people, many of whom have been
Speaker 3: released from prisons in Venezuela and Colombia different places. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think there's all kinds of things now. One of
Speaker 3: the rules that Trump had put in place during his
Speaker 3: first administration is that you have to if you want
Speaker 3: to apply for asylum in our country, you have to
Speaker 3: do it from a country that is, you know, the
Speaker 3: one that is a danger. If you're standing in a
Speaker 3: safe country, you can't apply from that country. So basically,
Speaker 3: if you're standing in Mexico and they're not the ones
Speaker 3: persecuting you. You say it's Venezuela. You've got to apply
Speaker 3: from Mexico. You don't get to apply from the US.
Speaker 3: You stay in the safe country, because it'd be no
Speaker 3: reason for you to say you're unsafe in Mexico. And
Speaker 3: so many of these asylums. What he was doing with
Speaker 3: remain in Mexico is forcing them to stay in Mexico
Speaker 3: or in the process, and they got tired of that.
Speaker 3: They want to come in here and get as much
Speaker 3: free stuff they can get in our country. They don't
Speaker 3: want to stay in northern Mexico, so it deters them
Speaker 3: after a while and they quit coming.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: And this obviously has become a very popular thing, the
Speaker 1: idea of closing the borders because our own all of
Speaker 1: our resources being taxed. I mean, even the most liberal
Speaker 1: individual in this country has a list of things they
Speaker 1: want from government and they cannot get it because all
Speaker 1: of the additional dollars, to the extent we even have any,
Speaker 1: are going to deal with this insane cost of dealing
Speaker 1: with the migrants that are already here. I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel so sorry for children who are trying to get
Speaker 1: an education. Sending a class with you fifty brand new
Speaker 1: children who don't even speak English and requires English is
Speaker 1: a second language instruction.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of money.
Speaker 3: Well, imagine if you live in a Texas border town
Speaker 3: and your wife's pregnant and you're trying to get delivered
Speaker 3: at the local hospital and the hospitals overwhelmed with people
Speaker 3: coming in from another country. You know, the hospitals really
Speaker 3: in these border towns do become overwhelmed, and it's difficult
Speaker 3: for the people who live there just to get ordinary
Speaker 3: either schooling or healthcare.
Speaker 1: Well, I suppose, and the media love through for this
Speaker 1: is mass deportation, But when you're talking about focusing at
Speaker 1: least first and foremost on the outright adjudicated criminals, there's
Speaker 1: very little argument that one can raise an opposition into
Speaker 1: doing it that way that's going to get any traction
Speaker 1: with the American public.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the public was horrified by what happened
Speaker 3: to that wonderful young lady Lake and Riley, and I
Speaker 3: think they were horrified to find out that there's supposedly
Speaker 3: fifteen thousand people that are wanted for murder or convicted
Speaker 3: of murder in our country. Another thirteen thousand that are
Speaker 3: convicted or wanted for sexual crimes. I think people are
Speaker 3: just horrified by that it didn't appear that Biden did anything.
Speaker 3: You know, we have thirty five thousand FBI agents, many
Speaker 3: of them you know, working on speech censorship. They can
Speaker 3: be reassigned from censoring my speech online and maybe sent
Speaker 3: them after some of these criminals. So I think if
Speaker 3: we had an all points bulletin, all hands on deck,
Speaker 3: and we went after these, you know, if you were
Speaker 3: able to announce that he arrested a thousand wanted criminals
Speaker 3: in the first month or two, I think that'll be
Speaker 3: a huge success.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and those resources are better spent of chasing down
Speaker 1: dangerous criminals than seventy two year old women who might
Speaker 1: have walked into the Capitol building on January six. Anyway,
Speaker 1: moving away, what was your response to the Select Committee's
Speaker 1: report on COVID. I was just shocked by what they
Speaker 1: revealed in that one Senator r and Paul.
Speaker 3: You know, they did a lot of good stuff, and
Speaker 3: they Matigulsi went through and interviewed a lot of these people,
Speaker 3: including Anthony Fauci, and you know, the conclusion that Anthony
Speaker 3: Fauci was dishonest that he had lied to the committee,
Speaker 3: I think is what we expected. I will become a
Speaker 3: chairman in January, god Willing, and I'm going to use
Speaker 3: that power to continue to look for the records because
Speaker 3: I believe the funding of the lab was approved by
Speaker 3: Anthony Fauci, but I also believe that he purposely exempted
Speaker 3: the research from the normal safety committee. So in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: they set up a big committee, a safety committee to
Speaker 3: look at dangerous gain a function research, and yet the
Speaker 3: Wuhan research that he funded never went before the committee.
Speaker 3: And the question is why. He says, well, my sign
Speaker 3: just told me and gain a function. So we've asked,
Speaker 3: let's see the deliberation. We'd like to see the argument
Speaker 3: you're scientists made. Because this error led to a million
Speaker 3: Americans dying and fifteen million people dying around the world,
Speaker 3: we want to know which scientists argued what and why
Speaker 3: they thought it was safe to do this research instead.
Speaker 3: None of that has come out. But I've been talking
Speaker 3: to all of Trump's appointees. I'm ecstatic about most of them.
Speaker 3: You know, Marty McCarey will be at the FDA. He's amazing.
Speaker 3: Jay Baticharia at NIH amazing. I met Dave Weldon who
Speaker 3: will be at the CDC, amazing, Robert Kennedy at the
Speaker 3: head of HHS, amazing. All of these people have pledged
Speaker 3: not only to me, but really in public life to
Speaker 3: get to the bottom of this. So instead of me
Speaker 3: fighting with bureaucrats and getting nothing and being stonewalled and
Speaker 3: having to take them to court, I think we're going
Speaker 3: to have a friendly administration, and I fully believe that
Speaker 3: there must be something there because they've tenaciously fought to
Speaker 3: keep these records from me.
Speaker 1: You were elected, along with the rest of the House
Speaker 1: and Senate to do oversight. You are performing a function
Speaker 1: on behalf of the American people. Those people who are
Speaker 1: stonewalling you, Senator Ran Paul and the rest of the
Speaker 1: elected officials are supposed to be answerable to you, and
Speaker 1: the idea under any circumstances that they would refuse this
Speaker 1: information from you when you have formed a select committee
Speaker 1: to look into it, I find absolutely appalling and inexplicable
Speaker 1: absent as you point out something the farious going on
Speaker 1: in the background.
Speaker 2: So we've sent.
Speaker 3: Letters and they're not signed by just me. Some of
Speaker 3: them are signed by me, some are signed by the
Speaker 3: Democrat chairman with me. Some are signed by five senators,
Speaker 3: and there's an actual statute that was passed that said
Speaker 3: if any five senators, even if they're also in the
Speaker 3: same party, sign a letter that by law, you have
Speaker 3: to give this information. They resisted all of these, so
Speaker 3: I think it's actually a cause for them to be fired,
Speaker 3: removed from office or even pros does that. And if
Speaker 3: the Trump administration will go after these people, we're going
Speaker 3: to find. You know, people on the left say, oh,
Speaker 3: the deep state, you're making it up. What is the
Speaker 3: deep state? Well, the deep state are people who have
Speaker 3: their own political agenda and they resist the will of
Speaker 3: the people through their elected officials. That's the deep state,
Speaker 3: and they need to be fired. They need to be
Speaker 3: sent packing. And boy, I am very hopeful.
Speaker 1: I am too, And I love hearing these words out
Speaker 1: of your mouth because you know that fuels conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: I mean, every time this concept comes up, someone usually
Speaker 1: emails me or sends me a message, or otherwise communicates
Speaker 1: with me saying, well, the reason they don't anybody know
Speaker 1: about this is because this was all about global population control.
Speaker 1: They wanted a lot of people to die and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of myself, you know, really, is that really part
Speaker 1: of someone's agenda? Well, I don't know. They won't let
Speaker 1: us know. They have never explained to us what the
Speaker 1: point was of doing gain of function research along these
Speaker 1: lines was in the first place.
Speaker 3: And that is a real rub, and there is a
Speaker 3: real debate to be had there. And you know, Anthony
Speaker 3: Valci's conclusion was that even if an accident should occur,
Speaker 3: the knowledge gained would be worth the risk. And yet
Speaker 3: many other scientists, credentialed scientist with you know, twenty years
Speaker 3: in academia and a couple hundred pure reviewed papers, say
Speaker 3: that they don't see any useful knowledge that's been gained.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's sort of a misplaced curiosity. It's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 3: e bowl is really deadly. It's a fifty percent deadly virus.
Speaker 3: Why don't we mutate it and see if we can
Speaker 3: get it spread through the air to mammals?
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: And it's like, well, that's that's a sort of a
Speaker 3: morbid teenage curiosity that some adults should look and say, well, gosh,
Speaker 3: what if it escaped the lab and killed everybody? You know,
Speaker 3: it might be a good idea, and yet that's the
Speaker 3: kind of thing that Anthony Vaalci approved because he had
Speaker 3: a very naive understanding of the dangers of this research.
Speaker 3: And there are many people believe this is going to
Speaker 3: happen again, and so you know, I'm going to do
Speaker 3: everything I can. I have a bill to set up
Speaker 3: a presidential commission to oversee this research such that if
Speaker 3: it's dangerous, this commission we would have the ability to
Speaker 3: stop it. So I'm going to try to get that passed.
Speaker 3: We're right, we're trying to get it passed this year.
Speaker 3: If we don't, we'll try to get it and get
Speaker 3: the help of President Trump next year.
Speaker 2: Senor Rampa on it. We're really out of time.
Speaker 1: I know you got to get back to your job,
Speaker 1: but I have to ask you quickly because I have
Speaker 1: been excited about the concept. Maybe not that it's going
Speaker 1: to have some really wonderful success along the lines that
Speaker 1: was originally outlined, but this DOGE, independent non government office
Speaker 1: that's going to look in and start paring down, get
Speaker 1: riding of fraud, waste and abuse, saving the taxpayers some money.
Speaker 1: Are you optimistic along any lines that Ramaswamy and Musk
Speaker 1: and whoever else joins this can accomplish something well.
Speaker 2: I know of that.
Speaker 3: Ramaswami well and communicating with him. We've advanced him two
Speaker 3: thousand pages the waste. You know, each year I collect
Speaker 3: waste about this time and do my Festivus report on
Speaker 3: my grievance with government with waste. But it's systematically done.
Speaker 3: We have ten years worth of it. We've sent that
Speaker 3: to them. They have that on file. We've told them
Speaker 3: we'll assist them in any way if nothing else. They
Speaker 3: draw great public attention to it, and the public is,
Speaker 3: you know, outraged at this. I mean, all I have
Speaker 3: to do is go into the you know, talk to
Speaker 3: the people in the mountains of North Carolina to say,
Speaker 3: you know what, there's plenty of money going over there
Speaker 3: to help victims in Ukraine and not that it seems
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to be a penny to help you. And
Speaker 3: people get that, and their politicians in North Carolina, many
Speaker 3: of them are the ones promoting sending the money to Ukraine.
Speaker 3: And so I think people are mad, and I think
Speaker 3: people are smarter than you give them credit for. So
Speaker 3: I think something's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Shrimp On treadmill research. Senator Paul that speaks Voliams outrageous.
Speaker 1: Senator Rampaul, keep it the great work. We all have
Speaker 1: your back. I'll look forward to talking with you again.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we won't talk for the end of the year,
Speaker 1: So Merry Christmas, Happy Hobdays, and a Festivus for the
Speaker 1: rest of us. Will look for or to the Festivals
Speaker 1: Report as we do every year. God bless you, sir,
Speaker 1: and thanks for spending time with us today.
Speaker 3: Same to you guys.
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